Tesla's China made Model 3 Performance does NOT have 50HP more
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- Tesla's China made Model 3 Performance does NOT have 50HP more
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Tesla, United Kingdom get China made 2024 M3P and website says 0-60 in 2.9
To add a spanner into the works
1: acceleration is not about power it is about torque and both the Chinese and American cars do have similar torques, but yes the Chinese one is slightly less on this so the 0-60 time will be a little slower
2: do both American and Chinese cars have the exact tyres fitted, for 0-60 times, or 0-62, that would be very important for traction on a standing start, as well as tyre temperatures and track conditions
3: about the ICE Mustangs, were they using the exact same fuels as American and European fuels have different calorific value which will change the power outputs for the same car, and don't forget the added smog restriction for different countries
Rob
No. Power and torque are linked. It is about both.
Power is the rate of doing work and torque is the force you apply.
A gearbox gets you where you need to be.
You sound like you'd make the argument that current kills, and not volts even though you CANNOT have current without voltage.
@@gottliebdee263 I agree, torque and power are linked (yes W=I*V) but for acceleration torque is for getting a good 0-60 time, high power gives the top speed, look at drag racing, I mean in the gasser ranks rather than the 11000 hp fuel dragsters
@@robertfreeman7906 It doesn’t really matter.
Whatever the characteristics you gear, (which includes the choice of wheel size where there is no gearbox), your vehicle to suit.
THE reason is the batt. Some can produce (provide) a bit more „steam“ as others …😂
@@sylvestertomcat8988 People that laugh at their own jokes are so weird.
Thanks! Completely agree! Difference is negligible and is down to the two things you mention. Different nomenclature which is not apples with apples. The second is the different battery sourcing with slightly different discharge rates. Great video, thanks again.
Just goes to show how stupid people get when they get on the internet.
Current Discharge rate (C rating) depends on the battery, that's where the different comes from...
Been wondering about this for a while. Thanks for that explanation!
Thank you very much for helping to understand This diference. I did delayed the buying decision. Will wait to test it.
I feel the top end performance will differ significantly, meaning above 60 mph. That may not be important to most, but very important to me because I drive a lot on freeways. So 50-100 mph is the crucial performance metric for me. Can't wait for the actual dragy runs comparing the global to the US version
Then get the model S plaid, cause everybody knows that you need 1000CV to accelerate from 50 to 100 in freeways
@@barygol Your sarcasm is noted.
@@barygol Sarcasm aside, I don’t want to drive a boat (i.e. model s). I’d like a car that keeps going above 60mph, without necessarily having 1000hp 👍
Brilliant video, thanks for clarifying that.
it like powertools, in USA its 40 V and in EU 36 V but its the same cells.
American version is 2.9s to 60mph. China made version is 3.1s to 62.5 mph (100kmph).
I agree, this is the reason why there is a difference between both speeds one is calculated in mph and the other is calculated in kmph.
also, the american way of measuring is usually with some sort of rolling start, not a dead stop like 0-60 might suggest. can't remember the details but there's that difference too
AND comparing HP to HP doesn't work either since American HP is, once again, slightly different to a metric HP, like he mentions
UK version from china is 2.9 to 60mph
@@Allride_ the 0-100kph figures are also with rollout
@@rossadamdixon That's interesting because the UK version is made in China. The Ireland version (also RHD) quotes the 3.1s to 100km/h figure.
There is a reason nobody knows any performance number above 60mph for the new m3p. Tesla has not revealed the 1/8 or 1/4 mile times, because the USA version is much better on that regard. The added 50hp goes entirely there, it simply allows the maximum torque to be maintained to higher speed...
1. Its just Tesla’s own information from their website, so if its false info its Teslas own false information
2. The motor rating is irrelevant, if the batteries can not provide enough electricity to fully utilise it
3. It s true that a part of the US advantage is paper only, because US measuring rules are more relaxed
4. Why cansel the car because it has less bhp than the US version? The relevant comparison must be against the competing car (which will also be rated lower outside the US)
You don't seem to realize what the same means. Every individual car varies within limits.
Well, the Shanghai built one uses an inferior battery. Really, the car, regardless of where it's made or sold, should never be compromised in any way.
Yeah right on. Same with US and imperial gallons.
I canceled my M3P order because of the batteries pack difference and power limitations . Yes , the 0-60 mph is similar, but I’m sure you will see the difference between 100-200 kph. So , instead, I changed my order for a LR and I will buy the boost when it will come out. I get more range, a lot more money in my pocket with the taxes credits and with the price reduction of 4000 that Tesla made. A price difference of 21k (cad) between the two cars. This is really not negligible. I also took delivery of my new car last week. So I’m really happy with my decision. 🤟
lol. So you don't care about sport driving, you want only 0-60 speed
@@michalsalaj nope , I don’t care about track. Only 1/4 mile drag racing type. 😉
Uh wouldn’t the diff be $14k? 61k for the LR and 70k for the Perf but the LR gets the 5k credit in Can? So 56 to 70k. And if you buy boost, your down to 11k difference? Just curious!
@@nav133 it's 12k credits (7k+5k) in Canada for the LR model and $0 for the M3P. If we also count the 15% tax on the 9k (price difference). You need to add another $1,350 to the $21,000. So it's 22k. But you are right, if I want the boost I will have to subtract 3k from the 22k. But it's still $19,000 more. That's a lot of money.
I’m in ON bud. We don’t have a 7k credit on top of the 5k. Only 5k. So ok yes I’ll give you the xtra tax (13%) but here it’s truly 9k plus 5k credit.
Fossil fuel subsidies cost Australian governments and hence the tax and rate payers $14.5 BILLION last financial year apparently.
Or around $500 for every man, woman and child.
Its even worse in the U.S.
The Govt should scrap those subsidies and put the money into more EV chargers in the outback.
Less than the fuel tax it collects. The FTCS allows business users to claim back the tax.
Doesn't make sense what you say. DIN hp. Try looking at the tesla model s plaid. It says tesla 1020hp everywhere. So should it be higher in the US?
hmm... Based on the leaked power curve, it's evident that both variants of the new Model 3 HP exhibit a consistent maximum power output between 75 to 130 kph. However, within this range, the MIC variant demonstrates a lower power output compared to the Fermont version. While their acceleration from 0 -60 should be similar, notable discrepancies are expected in their performance over the quarter-mile and on circuit tracks. This is all because tesla limited the battery discharge rate for all of the new M3Ps compared to its motor specs. My theory is LG NCM have show serious battery degradation in +460 HP test, so they set a strong limit on BMS in MIC version. Despite Panasonic's NCA battery endured +600 HP (which is the motor spec.) , they just cut down the power limit to make no huge difference between two different M3P.
The old mustang in Europe and America are different, because the euro noise regs and ppf regs, so it has less power, it was even worse for the UK version because the right hand drive configuration, the steering bar went so close to the headers they had to change the headers which lost it even more power.
Differences in cars will always exist because there are different regs to adhere to, only solution is to make a common regulation to which all adhere to
You mentioned WHEELSIZE again. What exactly doyou mean ‼️
Middle of the Axle to the road surely ‼️or just the size of the rim ?
Does the weight of the wheel have anything to do with your calculations
Because larger wheels ALWAYS look better by a mile
PLEASE EXPLAIN ❔
0ne hp SAE is equivalent to 1.0139 hp DIN. Essentially the same. Unless someone is using SAE gross hp, which I doubt.
Here in the U.S. if you cancel an order - you lose $250.00 deposit. I for one can't and won't do that. I'm still waiting for that less than $30,000 model. Maybe, maybe then. We will see. As I have said before - buying an EV requires you to review your current needs and driving patterns. I have a 240V home charger, garage and don't plan on trips longer than 150 miles round trip.
The 0-60 time is quoted at 2.9seconds and 460hp on the UK website, so the same acceleration.
It's all ridiculous. Here in Germany, the predecessor was given 393kW by the insurance companies. Now that the rear motor in the new Performance has been given a surcharge of 68kW, as can be seen from the performance, why should the M3P have less power than before? Where you could easily out-accelerate a Mercedes E63S with an older M3LR, how could the new Performance be slower? It's all just bar talk.......
The previous EU Model 3 Performance also had an LG battery pack. The new Model 3 Performance will use the same battery but with more powerful motors. It should be slightly faster.
Its a mistake to compare the dyno results of a Tesla to the officially claimed hp. The Model S Plaid for example is only claimed at 1020hp on the website, but it has tested for 1100hp.
I am one of the person who owns a M3P and would like to order one in Europe - but not with LG. Because of a ridiculous battery choice but more disappointing 528km range. Disappointment - I am waiting on a better battery.
Don't hold your breath . . .
All you had to do was to look at the torque - American version has 740nm, Chinese 728nm.
Torque is more important than hp in electric cars
Should be easily fix with a future update n an annual subscription
The government has the power so it's responsible. So if the gov let's one company collude with it, all companies will attempt to collude to compete & survive. So blame the government, not the companies.
It’s crazy someone would cancel for such a small amount of HP. Tesla has secretly added some new things to the M3P (may switch to zero G wheels or something inside the interior being changed). In regards to the HP, This was disclosed up front. US M3P has 510 hp with a different rear motor. Rumors have it. It can be unlocked to do 600 hp. 🤩⚡️ Maybe that’s why the Chinese are upset. On a side note, one Tesla employee told me the new M3P has 4680 batteries 🔋 and another Tesla employee told me they have Panasonic 2170 batteries. Crazy how the specs are laid out on the website to what your buying !
I drove the new model 3 performance last Friday on the GC. Let me say it is ridiculously fast. To really use the performance of this car you need to be a trained professional driver. None of us mere mortal drivers will be able to distinguish any differences let alone control the car well enough at that performance level to make any difference. The suspension upgrades compared to my current M3 RWD was astounding. The really good news was when I put it back in chill mode the ride and handling is a major improvement to my current M3. The car is a major upgrade not only in performance.
Spend some money and get some professional training (like I did). The biggest improvement is left foot braking (which should be taught to everyone prior to getting a license) IMO.
@@greghudson9717 Have my MC no need to try and flex. The M3 performance is impresive not only just for speed. It is now a total package and will do everything exceptionally well. There is no other car that can represent the value of this car it is special.
@@tonyspiegel6771 Sorry, MC does not compute. MS MX M3 MY yes, but MC???
@@greghudson9717 Multiple Combination Licence. B -doubles Triples and Quad Road trains. It requires you to do more than just use your left foot on the brake pedal. The point is the M3 performance is more car than nearly everyone can handle. It is incredible and I would not have believed it till I drove it. It isn't a one trick pony of ball tearing speed it is way better than that. For 85K it is a bargin.
@@tonyspiegel6771 I'd like to see you take your 3 trailer road train on a race track (not). And yes, I would like to see Road Trains powered by a Tesla prime mover. How far they would go is another story... ;-)
The point I was trying to make is that left foot BRAKING (in a two pedal car) is much more efficient than moving your right foot from the juice pedal to the brake pedal. The reaction times are reduced considerably. My trainer BTW was Alan Moffat. And, just because you have multiple truck licenses, doesn't mean you know how to drive a high performance car correctly. You probably 'think' you can though, as do most people (including my wife) IMO.
Mistake at end of video. America uses Society of Automotive Engineers (SAE) specs,
and the rest of the world uses Deutsches Institut für Normung (DIN) specs.
It doesn't really help clarify things when right at the end you say America uses DIN when a few seconds earlier you said America uses SAE. As far as I know the USA has always used only SAE.
Yes, Sam got them the wrong way around at the end. Not a big deal.
Aren't they tested on a dynamometer ? Their numbers should be exact. For a Tesla to drive efficiently safely & smoothly the FSD MUST know this information down to & below the decimal point to calculate safe braking & acceleration speeds.
Which looks better, Model 3 or Mustang ?
Cheerio number 3 !
0-60 times are probably limited by traction anyway, so the theoretical maximum power output is irrelevant.
Doesn't make sense at all. If you convert 460hp (DIN), you get 453.7hp (SAE). Far from 510hp.
I bet you that the power difference is only there in PEAK power, but the sustained power is the same.
Couldn't care less about Panasonic vs LG batteries (don't qualify for tax credit) or 50 HP difference. I would take Shanghai over Fremont build any day. The QC difference is like they are difference car manufacturers.
Of course, the motors can deliver their full power whenever the other motor does not need full power - depending on the driving situation.
@@Techridr Sorry, badly translated by deepl :-D Electric motors, of course.
* everything identical * Except state of tune. Ignition timing and, more importantly, valve timing settings make a big difference to performance.
How ridiculous has society become ?!
50hp more ore less?! Irrelevant 😀
Yep..but a big deal in ice motors!
50 hp is not “irrelevant”…
LG and PANASONIC BATTERIES are TRASH
American weights and volumes are different too.
That does not apply to measurements of power. There is no such thing as "American" power and "Australian" power. There's horsepower, metric horsepower, foot pounds of energy
and Newton Metres. They are equal, wherever you go on the planet.
@@davidbrayshaw3529 and then there’s kilowatts, the 2024 Tesla Model 3 Performance is listed as 461KW on Carsales, which is around 620HP - so that makes me even more confused.
@@JonNewell
Thats just the potential output capability of both motors combined. The motors are limited by the ouput of the battery so the motor power itself is irrelevant.
Petrol heads love noise. They love wear and tear in the engine leading to loss of performance and increased release of noxious fumes. EVs are quieter. Accelerate faster. Last longer. In fact are much better. None of this persuades petrol heads - they love noise and pollution.
They are both very fast cars
Is there a weight difference= Different batteries also means a possible difference in weight.
The US is weird, their gallons and fluid ounces are different from everyone else as well.
Lighter battery gives a little bit more preformence.
Generally speaking yes, but not if the battery is lighter because it is smaller. Smaller batteries have less power output.
@@valuemastery We're both right
@@valuemastery smaller batteries can have lower output, or not. The mcmurtry’s 60kwh battery outputs somewhere around 1000hp
@@louisolivierfortin Yes, sure. But of course I'm speaking about batteries of the same kind. So, two batteries constructed out of the same cell type, one being bigger (having more cells) is more capable of high power output.
@@gullfaks True 😁
0-60 doesn't cut it for measuring performance of these vehicles. You need 1/4 mile times. I think the power deficit could be very noticeable at speeds above 70mph.
99% of owners will never race 0 to 1/4 mile, 100% will go from 0 to 60mph.
Yeah, a 0-60mph comparison doesn't tell you as much as you might think. The question is: "At what speed does the Tesla's acceleration stop being limited by its tyres, and become limited by its engine?" ... because it's only after that point you'll see a difference between the two engines, as before that point you're not on full throttle.
@@jjamespacbell when the 0-60 is just a traction (or gearbox) test in powerful cars these days.
@@duncanedwards8258That is certainly true for the Plaid, which needs to keep torque under control at low speeds. I don't think it's already an issue with such a "slow" car as the M3 Performance. This one is not limited by tires or engine, it's limited by battery.
@@duncanedwards8258 Teslas do not have engines, they have motors.
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Actually, a 50 hp difference makes all the sense in the world. In fact, it's probably more realistic to think that it's more, not less. Ask any drag racer how much more power it takes to extract that last 0.1 or 0.2 of a second off a 0-100 run when you are already that fast. 50 hp is a big difference in a '72 Kombi that does 0-100 in 24 seconds. You might knock 4 seconds off the time with that increase in power. Not so when we're talking about the other end of the performance spectrum. You need a lot of power to affect a very small change, at that point.
And just to clear up any confusion here. The units of ft.lbs, Kilowatts and Newton metres are universal. And the two units of horse power used are almost identical. 1 vs. 0.986, which in something like the Mustang equates to only a few horsepower difference between the two.
In the instance of something like the "identical" Mustangs having a disparity of 30 horsepower in two different markets, it's quite possible that they do. It is entirely likely that the vehicle was tuned to its optimum performance in each market via fuel mapping while still meeting the criteria required by government regarding emissions. But most likely of all is that it comes down to the energy density of the fuels that were used to test them. Australia has quite poor Euro 3 petrol, not the good stuff. This more than likely accounts for it, but it could be a combination of factors.
licence and registration please.
sorry officer for the speeding, but you got to let me go easy cause my tesla is chinese and it has 50 horses less then in the US
Cancel an order just because of a small power difference.....that's just people that don't know what to do with their money....
Buy a Camry😂
Tesla is lying about the power output of these cars. Both make substantially more power than claimed. According to formulas that correlate vehicle weight, horsepower, and quarter mile time/speed (using the Hale method), a dual motor-non performance Model 3 has about 475 HP, while the (old) performance variant has about 550 HP. Based on this formula a Model S Plaid has something in excess of 1,300 HP. It should be noted that independent chassis dyno tests of the 2023 (and earlier car) did corroborate that the actual HP was in the 550 range. But of course, HP alone doesn't really tell the story, rather it's the "area under the curve" that's meaningful. While IC cars tend to have top-weighted power bands, the pre-2024 Model 3 Performance had a bottom-weighted power band.
While we have yet to see measured quarter mile performance for the new Performance, it seems highly likely that it will do the quarter in the high tens. Given it weighs the same as the 2023 car, this implies that the real HP has to be around 650. Additionally, according to what Tesla has stated, the power band of the new rear motor will be more similar to the Plaid rear motors (albeit it without the carbon wrap), which means that the power won't drop off as much at higher motor/road speeds as is the case with the 2023 car. Of course the true test of this will be the measured performance.
Having said this, there certainly appear to be differences in the battery performance between the cells used for the Shanghai cars versus those used for the Fremont cars. For once it's a good thing to live in the US.
I have seen multiple reports over the past few years that Tesla is known to understate the power specifications in their vehicles, as independent tests have shown them to be higher than the stated figures from Tesla.
You are correct generally, but your estimates for the horsepower seem to be off the mark. The Model S Plaid has never done 1,300hp on a dyno, and the new Model 3 Performance is incapable of 650hp due to the battery. The highest power output we can expect from the Panasonic battery is ~590hp.
Chinese made Tesla has less panel gaps than American ones.
Now that part is probably true! 🙂
Actually, Giga Berlin is credited with best gap...who knows....frankly, or cares. .006 isn't a big deal
Screw the 50hp! Less panel gaps baby lol
Probably less interior rattles as well!
@@snate2.0 I agree, the gaps aren't that important. But it's an indication of attention to the details by human workers of different geographic regions, with Americans being the most careless, and Germans being the most serious, and Chinese in the close second.
Your closing comments, has the USA using DIN instead of SAE! 😲😡
Hot Rod guys and girls will have something to modify to get another fraction of a second on power upgrades
the diff wont be on 0-60 but AFTER 60 to 130, and wait, you will see a lot of diff.
Well there isn't a 50 horsepower difference between the Chinese model 3 and the American model 3 IF YOU PAY THOUSANDS TO UNLOCK IT.... Which of course you are not reporting. No doubt.
rollout?
Analysis and no emotion wins , thanks Sam
Actually that is a very technical issue Viking... and a credit to your technical knowledge... I wouldn't take that for granted... Except for right at the end you said it was North America SAE and rest of world DIN then you reversed it... which will only confuse millions of followers! ... ahhhhh... (just kidding... hopefully they'll read my little post... '; p
Come on Sam. You can do better than this. If you sent it through the spin machine one more time the us version might even have more horsepower than the Chinese one.
Who knows, next they might figure out how to affordably attach indicator stalks, parking sensors and a speed reading that is in front of you.
There is a company working on after-market stalks already... You heard it here first !
As a happy owner of a M3P Tesla, I was considering to swap it with this new Performance model. But for this ridiculous power difference I will keep my 'old' one!
Okay
USA uses SAE ratings - well, why not? SAE ~ [U.S.] Society of Automotive Engineers . . .
510 metric horsepower =
503.0 british horsepowers
British horses are smaller 🤣
Horsepower is NOT metric. If it was a metric measurement, it would be in kilowatts. (kW)
Seems like the standard measurement error, would be greater than the actual calibrated difference recorded.
Yes, it is a moot point.
I’m waiting for the performance model Y refresh! How long do I have to wait?
Maybe January of 2025, or a bit longer than that.
@ev.whykingProbably it will. But despite that, I'd be really looking forward to an updated MY Performance with all the goodies you get from a M3 Highland today.
@ev.whyking it’s the fastest Duck by far.
@ev.whyking I get refreshed every time I look at my model Y LR w/ FSD.
Rapid acceleration eats up battery range and erodes tyres at an obscene rate. This bloke is wittering about nothing relevant to a daily driver.
I don't believe that for a second.
50hp in a car of that power that makes that much ponies will make about 0.1s difference in the 0-60 times. That's BS, you won't even notice it.
I wrote this before even seeing Sam say it at.
Sam if you don't think 50Hp can indeed make only a 0.1 sec difference, (yes it could be more), you know nothing about cars and inertia.
The other thing is that there is an asterisk next to the time which we can't see.
The point is there is no difference in the first place.
@@tedmoss Yes, I know.
The point I was making is that I don't believe people would cancel their orders in significant numbers because of it. They probably had another reason and this gave them what they needed to escape''.
Some people have very small brains. If they were larger, they would have taken notice all of the adverts on TV (usually during the news) for the HUGE recall of LG's NCM batteries exploding. Would anyone with half a brain buy any car with LG batteries ? Yes, they sure do... Kia and Hyundai have them, and some Tesla's too, but if they really want to be safe they should skip the 'ludicrous' BS and just get a model with an LFP battery from either CATL or BYD. Just my opinion, and what I did when I bought my Model Y.
I dont’t care about 0-100, i care about 100-200 kph… that’s where i4 m50 for example will be all over this new m3p as it was with the old one… we need 1/4 mile times and trap speeds, that’s were you can see which one is which and if better than the old… until someone manages to dyno these two on the SAME dyno… less likely
LE - i was on the boat to cancel the order when i got my VIN, i did give it up though because i had to pay the car in 3 days.. but alao wanted to see more reviews, now waiting for another VIN 😅 YOLO!
You are dreaming! The updated M3P will beat the BMW i4 M50 by at least .5 second in the quarter mile…M3P will be a sub 11 second car likely 10.7x-10.8x
@@jezza6575 maybe US one, if chinese one will do it even better, can’t wait for mine to arrive (M3P) ✌️ 💪
@@MOMENTSbyGabriel You will be disappointed if you think they are different.
@@tedmosswhat’s wrong with you people?! I hope they are not different (us vs global) that’s why i’ve ordered, but everything i read seems to point that they will be, however… yolo, can’t wait for mine to arrive!
@@MOMENTSbyGabriel so..Chinese robots are faster in China than they are in Europe or America's? OH, I 👀!
Legacy automakers would have been well advised to create new companies to spin off new companies to develop EVs. Clearly, they can't let go of their legacy business.
They seem to be counting on tariffs to save them from their own backward looking behavior.
I don't see how this ends well.
Americans let the car roll 1 foot before they start the clock. Just look at American car magazine test times against AUTOCAR times. Europeans use metric horse power (PS) Yanks use BHP.
Not all measurements are done with a rolling start in U.S. It has to be stated what you are doing.
Viking is not a Tesla fan 😂😂😂😂
Anyone with brains is a Elon and Tesla fan, all others are in the back seat of history. You can quote me on this.
Whoo, hard words. You are type that will commit suicide if Elon will say so. Wake up.
Power is ok, give us more range…
You are lying your ass off now. "I'm not a hardcore Tesla...."
most customers arent given a choice between purchasing a US or China made Tesla without going through some hoops... but i think both versions are quite nice compared to most other brands of autos within the same price range, and in the US the number one concerns for most new car customers is simply the price and the color.
Uh it DEFINITELY requires another 50HP to gain 2 tenth of a second when you are talking about differences at that very rarified performance level.
Who accelerates 70 miles/hour in few seconds? Is nonsense, u will never push the pedal like that in citydrive nor long tripsunkess u want an accident
I have used maximum acceleration on my 1969 Shelby GT-350 several times to avoid idiots on the road. Yes, it was red. People seem to have respect for Teslas, and don't do as much stupid stuff around them these days. So I have not had the opportunity to use maximum acceleration on my Tesla model Y LR. There are plenty of videos of accidents because of people behaving badly however.
@@tedmoss you can avoid idiots also by slowing down/ breaking and surrounding awareness too. Not sure you are safer just because u run and use acceleration in a fast car though
Gobble, gobble
Mustang vs Camaro
Couldn't care less about the power, which is far more anybody needs. Range and cycle life are important
Then don't buy the performance variant which is what this video is about.
Your explanation is dead wrong. So, your argument being, "if there really was a difference of 50 hp, the difference in 0-100 time should be greater". Well, take a look at power graphs of Teslas. As with each electric motor, power builds up with speed (or rpm). Power = Torque x RPM. Teslas generally reach maximum power at about 80 km/h. That is, when going full throttle and the motor produces 460 hp at 80 km/h, you only get 230 hp at 40 km/h. Which BOTH batteries are capable of. The difference kicks only in, when one battery has reached its maximum power output of 460 hp at maybe 80 km/h, while the more capable battery keeps increasing power output until it reaches 510 hp at 88 km/h. So both cars have same acceleration up to 80 km/h, between 80-88 km/h the faster car has a little more power, and over 88 km/h the faster car has 50 hp more.
So the additional power needs to be sufficient, to get a 0.2 second advantage just between 80 km/h and 100 km/h. Suddenly, 50 hp more doesn't look so much, right?
Obviously this post is proof that a little knowledge is a dangerous thing. If you'd paid any attention to what Tesla said about the rear motor you would know that this motor was set up so that its peak horsepower is closer to 65 mph.
@@douglaswatt1582That equals 104 km/h, which makes things only worse since we're measuring 0-100 km/h. However, it's not a question about the power output of a single motor, it's about when the system of both motors exceed power capability of the battery.
Regardless of the exact speed of maximum power output, be it a few mph more or less, the argument stays the same. Max power - and thus, the 50 hp difference - does not take effect until a certain speed is reached, giving the faster car less time to work out its 0.2s advantage.
@@valuemastery So it doesn't make any difference, showing The Electric Viking was correct to call the people out that made that mistake.
@ev.whyking If you mean the Electric Viking, yes he understands and objects to people making such obvious mistakes, as do I. There is no difference that matters.
This does not make any sense. Why is ONLY the Tesla Model 3 Performance showing a difference in HP and not the other Tesla models?
It's because of the high power drain those performance models put on the battery, bringing the battery to its limit. The slower models are not limited by battery, so no difference in performance between different batteries in the same car there.
@@valuemastery True, but it still does not make any difference, because it is so small.
@@valuemastery and Plaid? They show same HP in US and EU.
@@dpie4859 I would think that's because they're exactly the same cars. They're both produced in Freemont, CA. And then shipped within US, and to EU.
It’s got nothing to do with horsepower. You can have a car with less horsepower than a more powerful one. It’s all about torque. It’s about time you learnt about engineering.
Are you sure. Horsepower is more or less torque times speed. Horsepower is conserved while torque and speed can be exchanged with gearing.
@@danharold3087 you are right in theory. But it’s also the gearbox if the gearing is too low than it takes longer to pick up speed. If the gearing too high then the engine lags in pick up and there is a sort of disconnect . You can have a BMW that’s 3.5 litre that pulls out 400 bhp at the same time you can have an F1 car that is 1.5 litre that is also putting out 400 bhp. Which vehicle has more torque? It’s the F1 car. It’s the same with an EV you can have a large motor which has less torque than a small motor again it’s also the gearbox that goes with it
@@RonaldShakespeare-tk7jx
Guessing engineering explained has a video on the subject. "Horsepower vs Torque - A Simple Explanation"
Incorrect. Torque is a measure of applied force. Power is a measure of work done over time. You can apply torque without achieving work done. For example: If you put a 10 ft. long breaker bar on the wheel of a a truck and have a 200 lbs. person stand on the end of it, you'll have a massive 2000ft.lbs. of torque applied, but the truck won't move an inch.
But if you apply that same torque, multiple times, say over a minute by jumping up and down on that bar 2000 times, that truck will most certainly move.
Obviously, you can't have power without having an applied force (torque). But that applied force can be quite low if you apply it repeatedly.
In very simple terms, engine/motor power is torque X RPM. And while you clearly need some torque, it is less relevant than many believe. An old 2 stroke 250 GP bike has very little torque, indeed. Barely any, in fact. But due to the engine (2 cylinders) applying that tiny amount of torque twice every rotation of the crank up to 10 or 11 thousand times a minute, the motorcycle accelerates like a rocket and has a high top speed. Power is what achieves such performance, not torque.
Stationary engines are universally rated in horsepower for a reason. It describes the amount of work they can do. If they don't have enough "torque" to create adequate rotational force, we then use gearing so they do. Power wins the race, not torque.
"China-made" is hyphenated.
roll out
Guess I don’t have to worry about it, because I live in America! Lol!
Sam, slow down. You start to elaborate on EVERY little news about Tesla. This is really no recipe for great content channel. Maybe analysis, talk, interviews ? This amount of videos are barely watchable, and I think you have great channel I subscribe for a long time....
I like it - then I don't have to read through all the whacky news that most of the time is negative.
I bet he has more subscribers than you do.
Or research the content first, maybe? Who knows, everyone here might be able to understand the sheer amount of additional power required to knock just 0.1 or 0.2 of a 0-100 time when the vehicle is already achieving 3.1 seconds, if Sam did the research and presented facts rather than fiction.
"We look at these numbers here from the chinese gov't"
Did he seriously just say to believe chinese gov't numbers? Wow.
So i will not buy it.. SORRY TESLA.. Waiting for a BATTERY that can handle 600+HP !!
Yawn yawn yawn !!!! The Tesla haters will pump any "their so called" negative thanks gang more free advertising......
i think you mean 'chinese m3 does NOT have 50HP LESS?!!!'
Hey ding dong, 50hp DOES equate to about .1 difference in speed once you start breaking the 4 second barrier How much do YOU think 50hp adds? The model s plaid is 1 second faster or ten tenths and is 500 hp more. Do the math
Yeah, it's pretty simple if you stop and think about it. Another "missed opportunity" to inform his audience. And that "50hp" could indeed be even more.
You seem very angry. You need a vacation. American cars have different emission standards & this historical has resulted in less power.
Hello mate!
First world problems hey?😅
One more lie about EVs?! No!!!!!
Cheers mate