MY GREAT GREAT X100 GRANDFATHER WAS AN EASTERN SPEARMAN. YOU BRINH HIM SHAME, CONSIDERING THAT HE DIED WHILE MARCHING ON HIS WAY TO SYRIA AND HE TRIPPED ON A ROCK.
Okay, seriously, there's a very good reason plebs/mobs aren't on here; it's WAY too obvious. It's a BUNCH OF IDIOTS WITH KNIVES. They are MADE TO SUCK. Celtic tribesmen are on here because their price is ridiculous, and Eastern Spears are on here because they have the appearance of a low-tier spear unit and barely perform better than the aforementioned mobs. TLDR; Yes, plebs/mobs are worse, but everybody already knows that, and the only time you'd ever use em' is when you get them in garrisons for FREE.
One time I have a siege battle against full 20 units. I got just big garrison force with two mobs. It was bad battle and I almost lose but in the end, when my last normal unit was fighting 3 depleted enemy units I charge my mobs in, and enemy just run away. I understand dat it’s very rare situation and enemy rout because of all the loses and everything else but without this 2 mobs of peasants my last unit will run away before enemy
***** Funny though frist time i've used them was as auxilia but now in a coop with a friend that is new to total war i've seened they doing quite well with him as Egypt and top five wosrt Units. Mob, Pleb, Peasants(is there any?), eastern mob and greek pleb :)
The Eastern spearmen won and don't lie. The outnumbered moral penalty would break the praetorians before they even got into combat. I know because I've tried battles like those and it frustrates the hell out of me.
I love egyptian infantry spam in campaign. Sometimes just hiring an army of them to harass and occupy an enemy is the east while you are campaigning in the west is very useful. For online play though they suck.
Roman poly bus is AMAZING for defensive battles in settlements and cities: Stick them in front of a gatehouse or at the end of a lane, and have melee units on the left and right. When the enemy comes charging down the aisle, the poly bus rips through them and the melee sandwiches them in place.
the pajamas warriors are god-tier meme status with their striped pajamas and hardened carpet for a shield; it makes you realize the Spartans did nothing special at Thermopilae
been a while since i played, but i think eastern spearman is also dirty cheap, bit better than mobs, very usefull to bulk up an army and tire their units, good to soak arrows, distract enemy while you bring your cavalry to bear, they have their uses.
The weirdest thing is when a stack of eastern spearmen attack one of my unguarded settlements while my garrison is a legionary unit and some slingers and the the balance of power says "Win chance: none".
Egyptian Infantry is so underrated. For a cheap unit you can use to quickly flank they are great. I have taken all of Africa with them and Egyptian pikes in the front.
eastern infantry were pajamas warriors in the original Rome Total War as well, also remarkable for how bad they made the Parthian army: an army MADE to rout; and they were wearing PINK pajamas
Great list but the Egyptian infantry can be pretty useful to hold the line when in shield wall for me. Same gives for eastern spearmen. I use the in shield square formation.
Actualy the eastern spearmen are very useful infantry for a number of reasons. First of all they are cheap and that means you can easy make an army of yours filled with these troops witch makes for a good numerical supiriority and in open battles this is very good. Secondly when i use them along side my parthian horseman archers or parthian infantry archers for they are very splendin in forcing the enemy not to get close to these archers by either make the enemy focus on them or by standing in front of the archers killing any enemies by sorounding them and flanking them since there will be alote of them and on the meanwhile the archers will hit hard the enemy troops that are more far away. and even by themselves they might not be so tough as other enemy troops but thanks to them you can defeat an army much costier and maybe even better trained with the aid of both them and the aid of either infentry stronger units,specialized troops or cavalary support. overal instead of the worst unit they can actualy be a very VERY good unit because the true importans is not always on stats,but also in sheer,powerful unending numbers AND in how do you use these numbers. (i litteraly managed to win a battle with ONLY eastern spearmen FEWER than the enemy witch did not had many troops himself but had better one's and i think he also had a ranged unit too and still i was victorius.the importance to win is over all strategy. when sheer numbers are not enough you should use cunning by either heading to a forest and ambush the enemy or outflank them witch is what i did to that battle.)
Can't agree about Vigiles/Rorarii. They're not ment to be deployed in the field. Their purpose is to defend the settlements and they do it just fine. Place two units in a chokepoint anf order them to form square. Unless they face really elite troops they will hold the position for a long time, long enough to allow you move heavy infantry around the block and attack enemy from behind. Cheap, available everywhere and dependable. One of the best units
Eastern spear men are good for sticking in front of heavy infy to cancel cav charge bonuses when you’re still researching tech for eastern hoplite/pike units
Playing as Egypt I always take 6 archers and the rest of the army egyptian infantry just for defensive garrisoned armies. Weird thing is that if I autoresolve they win almost every battle this way. When I play on the battlefield they get slaughtered. So they're not all that bad at holding the fort. Main reason I pick them for this reason is that they have a dirt cheap upkeep.
The Eastern spearmen has only one purpose and that is to shield or soak up the AIs attempt to charge against ranks of really good Parthian Archers. Along with great cavalry whose main purpose is to flank the enemy or hit the AI from the rear. This is the Classic hammer & anvil tactic.
I remember using eastern spearmen. As mercenaries in Rome 1. To soak up ranged fire from the enemy, and tie down their cavalry. So my hastati, later legionnaries would suffer fewer casualties. As I couldn't recruit them that far out. Good times.
Eastern spearmen aren't even meant to be sent forward or used offensively. They should be used as screening force right infront of your archers. The archers and cavalry does the killing.
Eastern Spearmen... The bane of my existence during my early Parthia playthrough. The whole video all I was thinking was "There's no way these guys are worse than Parthia's units" Then I got to #1 lol.
Some of these units is why I play divide et Impera for unit types and special area of recruitment units for different army comps. My personal favourite army build would be for DEI 1x Macedonian Companion Cav General/ Roman Legionaries general 3x Thessalanian Cav/ Cataphracts 3x Crossbow Infantry (from Syracuse) 4x Germanic Berserkers 3x Ballistas 2x Spartan Hoplites 4x Thracian Warriors
Agree with all these except the Illrian Cavalry (sorry for Spelling). These guys are extremely cost effective, on multilayer I will get up to 6 units of them combined with lots of cheap skirmishers and some elite spears, great combo.
I'd like to add a partial defense of the catapult based on my experience in Napoleon total war (I know great source). If you've got far enough in the game and your just rounding up places you haven't conquered you will have plenty of money so it could be worth it.
The only use eastern spearmen have is at the start of the game you cant get any other units. Same as the tribesmen and levy freemen. Yeah they suck but you need something to fill your ranks.
Great epic battle song. What is it? Some DLC content I didn't download? Also Egyptian inf look good only because of the attention to detail during alpha previews. Remember that naval-land engagement on a hill with the Egyptians? Remember the huge ship to ship collisions, elephants, and chariots? What happened to applying some of the culture specific features to other factions and special troops?
+Omar Omokhodion It's not a Total War song. I forgot the name actually!. I don't think your second point is true though. I feel like every culture has units that stand out. Opinions though!
lol eastern spearmen can actually be useful if you send them to support a cav fight that has already started (30 bonus vs large?). ofc they cant get charged or hit by anything on the way. or just send them to chase off enemy skirmishers/skirm cav.
well... most "crap" units are like this. But still they can be very usefull if you know how to use your army. Ex: Eastern spearmen, rorarii, vigiles - good as cannon fodder to protect valuable units, also use them as support unit for the main line units. Egyptian infantry: they are suitable as support unit for the pikemen onagers: for the battlefield? I perfer to use them to break walls Illyrian cav. - if they are crap so are the sarmatian raiders. I wold only use them to scout the map if i have only 1/2 units of them but if i got 3/4 units i would use them against the skirmishers in a surprise attack. Every units have theyr weakness its just about how you use your troops wisely
Feel like some units should have exceptional morale bonuses depending on their leader, especially when they represent religious aspects.. I.e. Egyptian infantry, if you have the Pharaoh leading you, you aren't about to abandon him, he is your god.
Why isn't Citizen Cavalry or Barbarian Light Cavalry on this list? They are actually worse than Illyrian Cavalry and CC cost 80 gold more. Illyrian Cavalry mops the floor with Light Cavalry.
Dmitri, Prince Of Chernobyl Agreed. Falxmen SUCK now. Despite their high dmg, atk and chg they SUCK. I have seen them lose to Levy Freemen. I have seen them lose trying to attack elite spears from the flanks and rear (even when spears were already engaged on front and both flanks)
Honestly when I played the Parthians and used the eastern spearmen they where not really THAT bad. Sure their stats truly are not good at all but here is the thing: you are not meant to use them as a front line infantry. Your play style as the Parthians should be a focus on foot and horse archers due to the buffs they both get, thus after your arrows block out the sun and have either killed or injure most of their forces which are painfully trying to make their way towards your fresh eastern spearmen, THEN can you send them to kill what is left of the enemies tired troops. (How fresh a unit is in battle is important.) I'm sure that some think of it as "too much trouble for too little gain" but then again why play an eastern faction if you do not enjoy hit and run tactics and recreations of the battle of Hattin or Carhaee? I will admit however that i would wish this unit was more historically accurate, after all it was part of the reason the Persian empires even existed thanks to the Sparabara formation. At the very least it would be great to have them gain better defence against ranged units so that they can tank the missiles while your archers fire back, or even better have the front of the unit use their spears while the one's in the back fire their arrows, much like the real Persian tactics.
A pretty good list that is very accurate, but I have to strongly disagree with eastern spearmen. Sure they aren't very good in prolonged melee, I know from experience, but holy shit they are one of the most spectacular anti-cavalry units. In a period of maybe 3-4 seconds a unit of 40 of these guys brought a unit of light missile cavalry from 45 to 21 on the charge. Sure, they can't fight enemy infantry very well, they are vulnerable to missile units and have a poor statline, but when they charge cavalry they will absolutely annihilate them.
egyptian infantry is so op in multiplayer their cheap af and those javelins alone are worth their money sure they have a better option(axe warriors) but their also a meat shield and a time buyer
I'm glad that Rorarii didn't make an appeare (I hope they didn't if so I'm drunk) they saved many roman cities only with their corage and square formation for sure bettr than greek garrison hoplites that are their replacements.
I could just about do a campaign on ROME 1 making use of Eastern Spearmen, they do NEED support though. Don't rely on them for anything. I think in ROME 1 they were Parthia's only infantry?
Don't disrespect eastern spearmen, theyre great when you defend a small town with only the garrison: main line of pikes, the mobs behind them and one eastern slinger behind those. One eastern slinger and one eastern spearmen should protect another entrypoint but the ai usually focuses on the pikes since you placed them closest by. Bring the spears and slingers around and you have a big hit to enemy morsale. Thats it tho
i actually had a game the other game of campaign as Armenia which start out with eastern spears and was attacked by militia hoplites and won not even upgraded so there not terribly useless they can handle anything below and militia hoplites
lol the eastern spearmen.
Their best use is for recreating Thermopylae with 40 of them versus 2 royal Spartans
+Le Tigidou Maybe zombie mode?
I always use them for this
Le Tigidou if you put them in square , there still bad but can hold out for a decent time .
@@jemo4211 with what?
@@firstname4476 they dont have square lol
MY GREAT GREAT X100 GRANDFATHER WAS AN EASTERN SPEARMAN. YOU BRINH HIM SHAME, CONSIDERING THAT HE DIED WHILE MARCHING ON HIS WAY TO SYRIA AND HE TRIPPED ON A ROCK.
Super Kawaii Hitler and then his unit routed because his death scared them
YEAAAH PAJAMA WARRIORS!
LMAO THIS IIS GOLD
Okay, seriously, there's a very good reason plebs/mobs aren't on here; it's WAY too obvious. It's a BUNCH OF IDIOTS WITH KNIVES. They are MADE TO SUCK. Celtic tribesmen are on here because their price is ridiculous, and Eastern Spears are on here because they have the appearance of a low-tier spear unit and barely perform better than the aforementioned mobs.
TLDR; Yes, plebs/mobs are worse, but everybody already knows that, and the only time you'd ever use em' is when you get them in garrisons for FREE.
One time I have a siege battle against full 20 units. I got just big garrison force with two mobs. It was bad battle and I almost lose but in the end, when my last normal unit was fighting 3 depleted enemy units I charge my mobs in, and enemy just run away. I understand dat it’s very rare situation and enemy rout because of all the loses and everything else but without this 2 mobs of peasants my last unit will run away before enemy
Si los hombred con simples cuchillos son los peores
"If you go to war dressed in Pajamas, then you deserve to die."
The Eastern Spearmen (Rome 2) are just Eastern Infantry (Rome 1) with HD Graphics.
Those eastern spearmen do make great cannonfodder during sieges
They also can be used to support units fighting against cavalry.
@@user-rh3pe7um8d they're good for a cheap flank bonus, meat shields during enemy chargers or skirmishers, and similar cheap support units
Funniest of all, this comment is actually historically accurate
Eastern spearmen are actually really useful for getting your missile troops more experience
EGIEPTJIAN INFANTRIEE
***** Funny though frist time i've used them was as auxilia but now in a coop with a friend that is new to total war i've seened they doing quite well with him as Egypt and top five wosrt Units. Mob, Pleb, Peasants(is there any?), eastern mob and greek pleb :)
***** moer liek eshitpian iffentrie
+jensibowable
Hey! I'm an eshitpian and I find this offensive!!
(Seriously, I'm an Egyptian)
***** What about plebs/mobs
Elliot jones the list was only for units playable in custom battles
Mob are op nerf them!
+PokemonFanatic1337 Only 7? I defeated Carthage, Rome, the Etruscan League, and every gallic faction with a mob that had only 1/5 of it's max units.
We must make a mod. OP mob is OP!
They have WAY to much morale. It's not fair.
***** Their charge bonus is so high they can run through city walls.
***** Not even a Odrysian Noble can beat them on the charge.
Eastern spearmen best used against horse archers because they have Good block chance
4:33 The coolest javelin throw of all time!
I once tried it in a scenario: 20 units of eastern spearmen vs a single unit of praetorians. Guess who won...
Praetorian
Norris
The old guard
That Gentlehoovy Napoleon
The Eastern spearmen won and don't lie. The outnumbered moral penalty would break the praetorians before they even got into combat. I know because I've tried battles like those and it frustrates the hell out of me.
Hey don't diss my bois the Rorarii, ya'll are laughing at them until you fight the Eastern factions with their cavalry spams
I love egyptian infantry spam in campaign. Sometimes just hiring an army of them to harass and occupy an enemy is the east while you are campaigning in the west is very useful. For online play though they suck.
Jon OldhAM they are good to counter meatshield
Hey the rorarii have single handedly held off elephants in my campaigns.
The bane of my Egyptian campaign haha!
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Thureos spears are really good and versatile.
Peasants are the worst imo, it'd rather take 1 unit of pyjama spearmen instead of those useless 3 units of mob/plebs...
Peasants are insulators. You take them if you have change left.
Pijama Warriors are a better meatshield.
PzKpfw VI Tiger ausf. H1 peasants are just a waste of time to the other faction to kill lol
Mobs are good for holding the enemy while you shoot at them
Roman poly bus is AMAZING for defensive battles in settlements and cities: Stick them in front of a gatehouse or at the end of a lane, and have melee units on the left and right. When the enemy comes charging down the aisle, the poly bus rips through them and the melee sandwiches them in place.
the pajamas warriors are god-tier meme status with their striped pajamas and hardened carpet for a shield; it makes you realize the Spartans did nothing special at Thermopilae
MOB
Illirian cavalry with upgrades is bad ass. Illyrian factions have been so overlooked by CA
Pajama warriors!! :3
Rush4in Amazing!
***** pajama warriors op ca pls nerf
lol
In my opinion, the pajama warriors still have a niche, that niche being expendable chaff, as they are cheaper than dust.
been a while since i played, but i think eastern spearman is also dirty cheap, bit better than mobs, very usefull to bulk up an army and tire their units, good to soak arrows, distract enemy while you bring your cavalry to bear, they have their uses.
The weirdest thing is when a stack of eastern spearmen attack one of my unguarded settlements while my garrison is a legionary unit and some slingers and the the balance of power says "Win chance: none".
R2 Auto-resolve is a wild beast indeed...
Egyptian Infantry is so underrated. For a cheap unit you can use to quickly flank they are great. I have taken all of Africa with them and Egyptian pikes in the front.
2:54 I swear whenever I play Rome and invade Gaul every faction has multiple armies of 20 stack Celtic tribesmen
eastern infantry were pajamas warriors in the original Rome Total War as well, also remarkable for how bad they made the Parthian army: an army MADE to rout; and they were wearing PINK pajamas
Great list but the Egyptian infantry can be pretty useful to hold the line when in shield wall for me. Same gives for eastern spearmen. I use the in shield square formation.
***** Eastern Spearmen lost their shield square ability. Thanks for the feedback though!
Actualy the eastern spearmen are very useful infantry for a number of reasons.
First of all they are cheap and that means you can easy make an army of yours filled with these troops witch makes for a good numerical supiriority and in open battles this is very good.
Secondly when i use them along side my parthian horseman archers or parthian infantry archers for they are very splendin in forcing the enemy not to get close to these archers by either make the enemy focus on them or by standing in front of the archers killing any enemies by sorounding them and flanking them since there will be alote of them and on the meanwhile the archers will hit hard the enemy troops that are more far away.
and even by themselves they might not be so tough as other enemy troops but thanks to them you can defeat an army much costier and maybe even better trained with the aid of both them and the aid of either infentry stronger units,specialized troops or cavalary support.
overal instead of the worst unit they can actualy be a very VERY good unit because the true importans is not always on stats,but also in sheer,powerful unending numbers AND in how do you use these numbers.
(i litteraly managed to win a battle with ONLY eastern spearmen FEWER than the enemy witch did not had many troops himself but had better one's and i think he also had a ranged unit too and still i was victorius.the importance to win is over all strategy.
when sheer numbers are not enough you should use cunning by either heading to a forest and ambush the enemy or outflank them witch is what i did to that battle.)
+in all fairness eastern spearmen are only meant to hold down enemy units while the heavy cataphratcs charge
Can't agree about Vigiles/Rorarii. They're not ment to be deployed in the field. Their purpose is to defend the settlements and they do it just fine. Place two units in a chokepoint anf order them to form square. Unless they face really elite troops they will hold the position for a long time, long enough to allow you move heavy infantry around the block and attack enemy from behind. Cheap, available everywhere and dependable. One of the best units
Eastern spear men are good for sticking in front of heavy infy to cancel cav charge bonuses when you’re still researching tech for eastern hoplite/pike units
When I first played campaign and didn’t know about upgrading to get better units the whole east was conquered by my horde of Eastern spearman lol
I like your cinematic panning, reminds me of Time Commanders!
ArsenalGiantsPs3 I have to admit that i'm not a good editor, but these kind of clips is the thing I want to do. Thanks for the feedback!
Playing as Egypt I always take 6 archers and the rest of the army egyptian infantry just for defensive garrisoned armies. Weird thing is that if I autoresolve they win almost every battle this way. When I play on the battlefield they get slaughtered. So they're not all that bad at holding the fort. Main reason I pick them for this reason is that they have a dirt cheap upkeep.
The Eastern spearmen has only one purpose and that is to shield or soak up the AIs attempt to charge against ranks of really good Parthian Archers. Along with great cavalry whose main purpose is to flank the enemy or hit the AI from the rear. This is the Classic hammer & anvil tactic.
I love how you put the tribesman against Spartans
I remember using eastern spearmen. As mercenaries in Rome 1. To soak up ranged fire from the enemy, and tie down their cavalry. So my hastati, later legionnaries would suffer fewer casualties. As I couldn't recruit them that far out. Good times.
what is the music in 4:30 please?
Legend of tw used the east spearmen in autoresolve with large sucess
The pyjama spearman were in the original Rome Total war it was good to see them back into the game.
Eastern spearmen aren't even meant to be sent forward or used offensively. They should be used as screening force right infront of your archers. The archers and cavalry does the killing.
- eastern spearmen running and you mention pyjamas
"Hey *Boiiz(see what I did there)*, you havin' a sleepover?
+rainius byzantinus_ (RainTheRobloxian) Why isn't this comment at the top? :P
I took two campaigns primarily in the back of the Eastern Spearmen... one of the only ways to get defeated in the game so far.
Eastern Spearmen could be good for soaking up missile fire from elite units with their big wooden shields. To get rid of the elite units ammo.
Shields of eastern spearmen look like freezed carpets or blankets.
4:30 Horseman at the front.
get rekt
Eastern Spearmen... The bane of my existence during my early Parthia playthrough. The whole video all I was thinking was "There's no way these guys are worse than Parthia's units" Then I got to #1 lol.
Eastern spear men tactic is to send them in for infantry and flank round the back with missile cav
Purple pyjama`s for the win.
Vigiles/Rorarii purpose is to deal with minor uprisings and help restoring public order. They are NOT designed for open battle.
what are u talking about eastern spearmen are an amazing elite unit
jk lol XD they suck everyone knows
Except me. WHO used them in combination with horse archers to capture cities in my Parthia campaign.
Some of these units is why I play divide et Impera for unit types and special area of recruitment units for different army comps.
My personal favourite army build would be for DEI
1x Macedonian Companion Cav General/ Roman Legionaries general
3x Thessalanian Cav/ Cataphracts
3x Crossbow Infantry (from Syracuse)
4x Germanic Berserkers
3x Ballistas
2x Spartan Hoplites
4x Thracian Warriors
Those Celtic Tribesmen look strong for how weak they are.
I don't know why CA made eastern spearman so bad and weak?! They were good tho.
Thier model too sucks! Because they are not weraing armour they are wearing pijamas
Agree with all these except the Illrian Cavalry (sorry for Spelling). These guys are extremely cost effective, on multilayer I will get up to 6 units of them combined with lots of cheap skirmishers and some elite spears, great combo.
XD At 4:31 that guy on the horse gets wrecked. Hahah
I'd like to add a partial defense of the catapult based on my experience in Napoleon total war (I know great source). If you've got far enough in the game and your just rounding up places you haven't conquered you will have plenty of money so it could be worth it.
The Egyptian Infantry are actually very useful in large numbers which is good because they're cheap.
The only use eastern spearmen have is at the start of the game you cant get any other units. Same as the tribesmen and levy freemen. Yeah they suck but you need something to fill your ranks.
Cavalryman at 4:32 gets absolutely shrekt
Great epic battle song. What is it?
Some DLC content I didn't download?
Also Egyptian inf look good only because of the attention to detail during alpha previews.
Remember that naval-land engagement on a hill with the Egyptians?
Remember the huge ship to ship collisions, elephants, and chariots?
What happened to applying some of the culture specific features to other factions and special troops?
+Omar Omokhodion It's not a Total War song. I forgot the name actually!. I don't think your second point is true though. I feel like every culture has units that stand out. Opinions though!
You might be right.
Egypt has some exotic shield shapes.
I'm just venting at SEGA.
Find me that song.
3:25
You shouldn't really use these clashing shots... they're embarrassing.
CHAAAARRRRGGEE! *stops right before hitting the enemy*
They must have buffed the fuck out of Egyptian infantry since then because they do extremely well for their cost now.
The Pyjama men are good for jumping in front of arrows and such.
lol eastern spearmen can actually be useful if you send them to support a cav fight that has already started (30 bonus vs large?). ofc they cant get charged or hit by anything on the way. or just send them to chase off enemy skirmishers/skirm cav.
scm7372 You can do that with pretty much every sword/spear unit. This is the worst of them.
parthians in pyjamas are bombarding your settlement
There is one use for the eastern spearman, killing Illyrian cavalry. (Although maybe not even that)
Rbc Scu I think they got buffed in the latest patch.
just having eastern spearmen in garrisons puts me off the idea of playing baktria
well... most "crap" units are like this. But still they can be very usefull if you know how to use your army.
Ex: Eastern spearmen, rorarii, vigiles - good as cannon fodder to protect valuable units, also use them as support unit for the main line units.
Egyptian infantry: they are suitable as support unit for the pikemen
onagers: for the battlefield? I perfer to use them to break walls
Illyrian cav. - if they are crap so are the sarmatian raiders. I wold only use them to scout the map if i have only 1/2 units of them but if i got 3/4 units i would use them against the skirmishers in a surprise attack.
Every units have theyr weakness its just about how you use your troops wisely
vigiles are bad but roarii have square formation so they can be used in SP
Me not seeing plebs: hold up you sure about that list
Worst: Mobs/Plebs. They're basically spiked barricades because they have shit morale and do very little damage.
Then Rorarii.
Feel like some units should have exceptional morale bonuses depending on their leader, especially when they represent religious aspects.. I.e. Egyptian infantry, if you have the Pharaoh leading you, you aren't about to abandon him, he is your god.
For the desert kingdoms DLC
Slave Infantry for kush.
Haha awesome.
I have used egyptian infantry as anti-cav early campaign, they are fairly good at that for like the first 10 turns. XD
SPLegoStudios (PhoenixStudios) I highly disagree
***** wow i just realized i meant eastern spearmen *fail*
Why isn't Citizen Cavalry or Barbarian Light Cavalry on this list? They are actually worse than Illyrian Cavalry and CC cost 80 gold more. Illyrian Cavalry mops the floor with Light Cavalry.
2:52 affective?
i really like the Rorarii i use them as first targets for Javlin troops and for that they are really good.
What about flaxmen, I've always seen them get mown down even when they triple the amount of the enemy
+Jackson zoller At the time of the video Falxmen were a bit better. :p
+Total War Zone oh ok then... But the still suck anyways nowadays
Yep! :P
Dmitri, Prince Of Chernobyl Agreed. Falxmen SUCK now. Despite their high dmg, atk and chg they SUCK. I have seen them lose to Levy Freemen. I have seen them lose trying to attack elite spears from the flanks and rear (even when spears were already engaged on front and both flanks)
I was expecting the mob to be on this list
that thumbnail looks like Jerome Boateng.
Pyjama Warriors lol :D Definitely deserve to be up there.
Honestly when I played the Parthians and used the eastern spearmen they where not really THAT bad.
Sure their stats truly are not good at all but here is the thing: you are not meant to use them as a front line infantry. Your play style as the Parthians should be a focus on foot and horse archers due to the buffs they both get, thus after your arrows block out the sun and have either killed or injure most of their forces which are painfully trying to make their way towards your fresh eastern spearmen, THEN can you send them to kill what is left of the enemies tired troops. (How fresh a unit is in battle is important.)
I'm sure that some think of it as "too much trouble for too little gain" but then again why play an eastern faction if you do not enjoy hit and run tactics and recreations of the battle of Hattin or Carhaee?
I will admit however that i would wish this unit was more historically accurate, after all it was part of the reason the Persian empires even existed thanks to the Sparabara formation. At the very least it would be great to have them gain better defence against ranged units so that they can tank the missiles while your archers fire back, or even better have the front of the unit use their spears while the one's in the back fire their arrows, much like the real Persian tactics.
+Total War Zone what about mob units?
Eastern spearmen are the best infantry if you go the autoresolve route
This video and lower graphics remind me of a bigger mount and blade game that never existed. lol
A pretty good list that is very accurate, but I have to strongly disagree with eastern spearmen. Sure they aren't very good in prolonged melee, I know from experience, but holy shit they are one of the most spectacular anti-cavalry units. In a period of maybe 3-4 seconds a unit of 40 of these guys brought a unit of light missile cavalry from 45 to 21 on the charge. Sure, they can't fight enemy infantry very well, they are vulnerable to missile units and have a poor statline, but when they charge cavalry they will absolutely annihilate them.
egyptian infantry is so op in multiplayer their cheap af and those javelins alone are worth their money sure they have a better option(axe warriors) but their also a meat shield and a time buyer
I'm glad that Rorarii didn't make an appeare (I hope they didn't if so I'm drunk) they saved many roman cities only with their corage and square formation for sure bettr than greek garrison hoplites that are their replacements.
I mean right now the mob is probably the worst unit if you can call it that
Aren't Eastern Spearmen even decent vs. Cav?
yeah, they have a bonus 20 to cavalry, which is why i don't think they deserve to be on the list. perhaps mob should be in their place.
AJC51597 The mob unit is even on the thumbnail...
I could just about do a campaign on ROME 1 making use of Eastern Spearmen, they do NEED support though. Don't rely on them for anything. I think in ROME 1 they were Parthia's only infantry?
They had hillmen but that's it
Don't disrespect eastern spearmen, theyre great when you defend a small town with only the garrison: main line of pikes, the mobs behind them and one eastern slinger behind those. One eastern slinger and one eastern spearmen should protect another entrypoint but the ai usually focuses on the pikes since you placed them closest by.
Bring the spears and slingers around and you have a big hit to enemy morsale. Thats it tho
What about dacian tribesman?
What about the Mob Infantery?
i actually had a game the other game of campaign as Armenia which start out with eastern spears and was attacked by militia hoplites and won not even upgraded so there not terribly useless they can handle anything below and militia hoplites
4:20
Parthia - *B o i i*
That cav rider at the end tho XD
What about Mobs?