Cub Cadet ULTIMA ZT1 Zero Turn Lawn Mower | 3 Month Review | Pros and Cons
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Sup Dude, Nice vid! I have the zt1 50 as well and to recap had it in to cub last season for bad deck vibration. Cub changed blades and bearings and belt, when i got it back it was much improved but by season end it was terrible again and belt really took a beating. I recently just bought another belt 2 inches shorter to take out some of the slack and its a little better for the moment but still noisy and vibrates. Yesterday i bought the mulch kit so i want to see if the mulch blades have any positive effect. If its still bad after some cuts on the phone with cub again. I have 2 years on the warranty to figure it out. Most of the belt slap is between the pto and return pulleys and the deck goes from 0 to 4.5 inches thats alot of misalignment in the belt depending on what level you cut on. I love this mower but when im on it and the deck is rough it just pisses me off! I looked st the deere zt in this category and theres no comparison in construction to the Cub. Cub hit alot of marks but a smooth deck is crucial. Nice job on the vid👍👍
2RCPRODUCTIONS WOW. A year later and still having the same issues. I appreciate the update too! Please keep us updated.
G4 Outdoors Installed the new mulch blades and cut the grass, still vibrates and varies in intensity. It almost goes away at times and then starts building up momentum the other way and gets a rattle sound in the mix. The cut was beautiful with no stragglers and fine clippings. It has all new components for the second time. I do want to investigate the extension spring a little closer because it lays right on the deck, maybe thats adding to the noise. Aside a bent crankshaft which i dont think is the issue it has to be a bad designed deck. Every zt1 i have heard sounds like garbage, I’m betting alot of people if not all have a variance of this deck issue but some dont give it a second thought or it doesnt bother them enough to worry about it. Thanks for the reply and I will keep you posted👍
2RCPRODUCTIONS I think this is exactly why you don’t see more complaints. Most people just don’t know any better. The blades are spinning, must be fine lol.
G4 Outdoors Exactly 😂😂
I saw a video on line where a owner changed out the drive pully to a larger diameter to fix the vibration.....
I expect this mower will last several seasons with decent care. th-cam.com/users/postUgkx1VWTrayKBdCKAjzAcZ_Eg4dhHTae3LkN also recommend Also, I ran across the problem with it not starting the 2nd time I used it. There is a safety switch which is pushed in by the chute or mulching piece being attached to the deck. I took the cover off and it wouldn't start. Put it back on, no problem. It takes only a minute with 2 easily accessible wingnuts and no tools. This mower starts up first crank each time and it is a joy to use. It also mows in reverse by putting the key to the reverse area after starting and pushing in the triangular button. It will stay in reverse mode until you turn it off. All in all, for my homeowner needs, I really like this mower-and at 70 bucks a cut here in Miami, it's already more than 1/3 paid for itself in a month.
Purchased this exact mower dec. 2019 to maintain 1.3 acre, with rolling steep right-a-way at roadside. NO VIBRATION...QUITE AND AWESOME CUT! Would purchase another one without hesitation! Couldn't be happier for the money.
Great to hear!
I'm wondering if some of your issues are due to the kawasaki motor. The Kohler on mine gets decent fuel economy and no deck vibration. Mine isn't any louder than my old yard king 54" either.
My yard king doesnt have a chute guard, and I use it on the rough areas. That gaping hole for a chute on the Cub is waiting to star in the next Final Destination movie.
I've never liked the deck hose contraption.
As for missing spots as you mow, mine does fine until I hit something to make the deck shake. That's when I get a few stragglers. It does have too much play in it for sure.
I tell people it's a quality mower, not a high quality mower. It's solid and strong but has a few things about it I'd like to see different.
I just bought one and so far zero issues. I'm 71 and have had many mowers and grass on the deck is simply called CLEAN YOUR MOWER. Also I never mow wet grass unless absolutely necessary and that solves half your problems. Every deck has to be scraped once in a while. I still have my RZT 22 (From 2004)that has 760 hrs. and still has the same spindles. This new ZT 1 is a nice upgrade.
Have a 42 inch just put 100 hrs on it , love the way it cuts , went through 3 foot of grass with it and it did excellent . no stragglers also have gator blades on it . love it
That’s awesome to hear!
I have the exact model ZT1 50" fabricated deck for about 3 months now. I typically mow once a week. I love it. It's my first riding mower ever so I cannot compare it with other mowers. It cuts great and it has great power to do the job on my 2.5 acre wooded lot with about 3/4 acre of uneven grass area. I have straggler issue only when my son cuts the grass and I think it's his fault. I don't have an issue with the vibration. The chute throws clippings pretty far so I am thinking about getting a mulching kit. The clean out port works well for me. I usually lower it to 1" on my concrete driveway with the chute pointing to to the wooded area and run for about 5 minutes and it is enough to clean my deck. I do have grass clippings on top of the deck and I usually blow the deck area before after each cut. The seat is comfortable but it needs a strap to prevent it from slamming the frame so I carefully lower it to prevent any damage to protect my investment. Overall I have no complain so far.
I sure wish I didn't get a sour taste from the first on I got and then continued into this one, just not as bad.
Had mine for a month, and I agree with you. I will get stranglers with grass that is too tall, but not even on a bi-weekly basis to speak of. I just did an acre and had about 5-8 stragglers. It did not Make me long to mow them down, no big deal IMO. If you take into account working on the machine and cleaning it, I think the engineering is top notch. Everything is so easy to get to. Kawasaki engine, best in the business, (a big selling factor for me). If I want a better cut quality, (and I would like the best), I bet some different blades would do the trick. Big deal. My deck is fine also, and I don't understand the complaints. It makes me wonder if our society is going nuts. :)
@@g4outdoors no
I had a ZTR50 that I now have to replace after 14 years. I found many of the same issues with it as you pointed out here. Its nice to see an honest review. Good job my man. I was leaning to a new ZT50 but now I think I'm leaning back to a JD. That deck guard is the deciding factor for me, I always mow my 5 acres with the guard tied up open.
I have the guard up or off 100% of the time. I want the grass to be thrown as far as possible. That isn’t feasible on some properties though. Most of the time for video reviews, I leave the guard down just to “keep it safe” lol. (Do as I say, not as I do) we take pride in not letting any company persuade our opinions. Thanks for the comment Michael!
What are you talking about? I have an RZT 50 from 2013 and it still proves it's power! I can run that 25 horse through just about anything
I think movement in the deck is a real positive for uneven ground.To many mowers nowadays have decks that are too rigid.👍
I just bought the 2021. They fixed the seat issue. Overall, I love mine.
A lot of good points. I have found with the deck wash system lowering the deck against concrete and giving the deck pedal the occasional push gets the deck pretty darn clean. You might want to try it out.
Got my ZT2 50 last month. My yard is a half acre, this thing is awesome. My commercial mower is sturdier, however this Ultima should last me 20 years easy, properly maintained.
The deck has a very minimal vibration during engagement.
Definitely a grass cutting machine
I agree AJ! 30 hrs on mine now, over 1 year old, couldn't be more happy. Money is NO issue and would buy again. I feel guilty cutting my grass its so fun!
Just got my Ikon x 52. It was between the CC and the Ariens. I love it. The tires are small but I have no hills at all in my yard. You can also put 20x10x8 tires on the back and the icon XL front casters and tires on no problem. When the tires wear out I will be going that route. But it’s been fantastic and I’m glad I didn’t get the CC.
I have seen the "upgrades" video showing it done. That is the only complaint so far on the Ariens so far is the small tires.
Hi there G4 Outdoors. I bought a ZT1 a few weeks ago, before I watched your review video. Well, I’ve mowed 3 times now, and it seems to be cutting really well. Haven’t noticed enough stragglers to worry about. I wonder if some of the vibration is from high rpms? I only run it about 1/2 throttle when mowing. And I’m OK with putting that cable on the seat myself. I know that’s Not your point, but oh well. So far I’m pleased with the CC. My last mower was a JD tractor, and this is an upgrade!
There are fenders you can buy and arm rests as well. I got the 54" one.... I guess i'm only noticing a vibration when i engage the deck. After that i have no issues really. It does collect grass in the guards like you say. But my old ride on did the same thing...
I bought the ZT1 54 inch cut that comes with the Kohler 7000 series motor. I cut almost 4 hilly acres and used half a tank of gas, not sure why he’s burning so much fuel. Maybe the difference between the Kawasaki and the Kohler not sure. I researched in this class of mower for quite a while. I chose this mower over the Ikon XD , the Toro Timecutter 50 inch and also the Badboy MZ magnum. Test rode all of them this one stole the show. Blew me away. No stragglers in my yard , nice even cut and it does lay down some pretty decent stripes. No issues going up hill or sidehilling. Also my deck does not move , a lot of it may depend on who set your mower up all I know is I’m very happy with mine and my yard is demanding , this machine not only cut my mowing time in half but made cutting my yard much easier. Just wanted to let you all know. At the end of the day get what you like and feel most comfortable with
I do believe the Kohler motors are more fuel efficient.
@@g4outdoors MORE fuel efficient?! I'd hate to see the other ones then! It seems like ours with a Kohler engine is always thirsty.
I Have this mower it is awesome. Best ZTR I Have ever used.
Thats good to hear. I appreciate the comment!
Right on GD! I agree!
I don’t have any issues with mine as far as getting mud all over I added a Rear fender kit but of course you pay separately for that like $99!! I appreciate the video though you done a great job on covering pretty much all the Pros and cons . Thank you
M Balta Thanks!
Sharpen the blades to eliminate stragglers
I got one of these a month ago. I don’t have the deck vibrating issue. I do have stragglers at times. I agree also with the dirt flying from the tires but I found they make some fins to put over them now. Not sure how well they work think I may buy to see if it is any better. Thanks for the reviews they are great.
Oronde Fountain thanks for the comment! I’m happy to hear that you have a good one! It is a fun mower.
I bought one just like this a week ago and cut an acre and hardly used any gas. My mower does not vibrate and with one cut it’s awesome
bestfiremd That’s awesome. I wish mine was one of the good ones.
G4 Outdoors well I bought mine after watching many of tour videos and of course only one cut under my belt but it’s awesome- I’ve never owned a zero turn either until now
bestfiremd Congrats! I really liked mine,,,, well all except for the vibration and cut quality. It would have been the perfect mower.
I have the 54 inch cut with the Kohler engine. I have used it for 4 months with no problems. Vibration is definitely not an issue. Also there is not a straggler issue either. It does use gas compared to my 20 hp diesel tractor and ear protection is definitely recommended. I cut 3 lawns with one that is very hilly. It does a good job. The mud flying is minimal. This guy seems to have a problem with Cub Cadet. Remember this is a 3 grand mower. For a couple thousand more you could have a commercial mower I suppose.
My ZT-1 50" with the Kawasaki engine does leave stragglers, and I am only going about 1/2 speed at a 3.5" height. But I bet I can fix that if I really need to. Mine does not seem to have any bad vibration, (other than the deck kicking a bit when I turn on the PTO, which I think is normal for this machine), and I don't think it is operating abnormally, (I am pretty mechanically inclined, including engineering degrees and lots of manufacturing experience). Some steep little hills in my yard also, and have had no scalping no matter what direction I attack the hill. Overall, after using, looking at and adjusting things, I think the machine is engineered very "smartly". It has a great engine, a great chassis 2" square tube frame that will probably never rust away or bend, (even if rolled over), everything is easy to get to to work on and a oil change could not be easier. I understand the pumps are a proven product used on many different brand residential machines for quite a while. I would buy it again.
I agree 100% and I have ZT-2 50''
Dude you sneezed in my face, we are living in a different time 4/4/20 stay safe everyone. I just took delivery of my Cubcadet zero turn ZT1-50 today. Like it so far, not much grass right now though.
Sorry bout that 😷🤣. I hope you enjoy yours. It is a very comfortable and fun mower.
I really appreciate honest reviews.
I have a Cub cadet zt1 50 inch it vibrate and I got to looking and messing with the tension pulley and was loose. Tightened it up and ran smoother.
That sir is an excellent review. Today I went with my girlfriend to look at new mowers and that is the one she liked. There were features that I liked but I am not a big Cub Cadet fan.
I just bought this mower. I can already see the points you made. Did the deck vibration get worse in the three years or has it been the same since new?
I agree i had mine for 4 months and having problems with drive unit a month ago it started turning or one side every once in a while.
I wonder if a floating deck is for when you have it lowered all the way down so that it follows the ground. When raised to cut at 3 inches the deck rollers aren't even on the ground.
I have a cub cadet zt1 54 inch cut I drove it in the pole building parked it went to go use it it won't roll the right rear tire won't go forward or reverse even when I put the two springs back two make it roll freely it still won't roll is it something I'm missing or what?
Was looking at getting the 2023 ZT1 42. Are the belts more reliable and shaking better now in newer model? Why is there no hour meter and no adjustable seat??
I buyt a farris 680v i had it 3 years now i had zero issues with it i just do ur reguler Maintenance on it it cuts great runs great it takes me 3 hours to cut my grass my deck is very Sturdy zero turns are not cheap u should take that hack my zero turn is good on gas i still hav 1/4 tank left when im run i seen sum really nice Cub cadets they made alot of changes to them but hope everthing works out for u with zero turn GREAT VIDEO THANKS
I'm looking into having the deck modified, so that a quick chute can be attached.
Thanks for the advice. I cancelled my order for it and since I am getting a replacement for a toro max 50 (only because of bad assembly) I’ll see how things go when it arrives. The first one cut great. No excess accumulated grass and easy access to everything. 5 gallon gas tank and a very good seat.
Thank you for your review.
Good video. Very informative.
But I am concerned about the transmission durability. Will the transmission stay in proper adjustment, and for how long before it needs adjustment? I had one two yes ago and right side transmission needed adjustment.
They are on the low end of transmissions. If you are looking at the Cubs and worried about the transmissions, go with the ZT2. They have beefier transmissions.
Hey bub just now seeing video idk if you'll see it or not but I got the zt2 50 got talked into stepping up but still the cut quality is my problem it leaves the straglers to the point in ready to trade it back off what in your opinion should I go to my dealer deals cub and scag
Scag all day!! Do I really have to answer that? LOL.
Important Note for this machine, or risk a possible fire IMO:
After I am done mowing, like many people I am sure with this machine, I remove the floor and use compressed air to blow all the grass from the pulleys and the top of the deck, and do the deck wash thing. But one other area has to be cleaned, which may even prevent a fire. The battery area with the electric wire connections accumulates grass. Don't forget to lift the seat and lightly let it rest on the foot rest of the machine, (you don't have to let if drop like a clod. You can control this seat, right? I would prefer a cable though), and blow the grass out of the battery area. Grass will stack up on both sides of the battery, and possibly get the electrical connections wet. I think I am going to look for some grease for electrical connections and use it on all the connections. Not just for corrosion reasons as the manual states, but to make sure the wet grass and moisture involved stays out also. Still gonna clean it every time though. :)
Keep your eye on that battery area.
Thanks for that heads up! The grass sure likes to congregate on top of the deck, I didn’t think about the battery.
@@g4outdoors For the grass on the deck, I find in mostly packed under the outside pulley's "Plastic safety guards". They are just fastened on with a few bolts into the top of the deck, so I will use a dremel type tool to make more "windows" for the grass to escape. It should work, but if not, it is only a couple pieces of plastic I can buy for cheap. I would bet it would be a good improvement though. Grass does get packed under that plastic more than it should, even dry and short cuts.
Or I might just take the damn plastic guards off. I know enough not to tickle a rotating belt driven pulley. :)
Final decision: I am mtaking the plastic guards off, and be rid of having to blow them out and any mechanical problems the packed grass could cause. If the removal of them effects the cut quality at all, (and I doubt it will), I could always cut them, (as mentioned above), and put them back on. Kids or pets running around could be a risk though,---but not in my yard. If it was, I would lock them all up in the garage until I was done cutting the grass. :)
EarthSurferUSA I like the idea of just cutting the the side openings to full height.
I have the exact same mower also my brother-in-law has the exact same mower mine broke the boat off in the crankshaft 3 years after owning it his did the same thing about 3 years 2 months later what could be causing that outside there is real bad vibration in this mower even when the blades are not engaged
I’m not seeing the deck vibration at 16:23. Looks solid on the video.
uncleheavy01 it does appear that way on video.
Mine is definitely loud, ear protection is recommended. I mow about an acre twice a week and am very happy with my ZT1. For me cut is pretty good and I don't notice excessive vibration while mowing. Not noticing stragglers with the Extreme mulching blades but did have a few with the stock blades, not something I worry about. Engaging the blades however is rough. No matter how much I lower engine speed when I pull the pto button the decks shakes and vibrates violently for a couple of seconds. Deck wash isn't that effective but in my limited experience, I'm just a homeowner, never is. Mower should have some kind of cable to prevent the seat top from hitting the front of the mower. Overall better than I expected for what I do and way better than my old JD 125. That said, I am just a homeowner with limited experience with other mowers.
Charles DeRider With that mentality, you have a great mower! I don’t mean that in a negative way either. I’ve demoed better, I run commercial for other Lawncare companies, so I had a bigger expectation from their advertising. If I could forget the better mowers I’ve used, I’d probably mow all day long with a smile on my face with this mower.
@@g4outdoors You are correct! I don't have the experience or background to compare. I compared specs and price between mowers and picked the Cub. That said I think if I had watched all the reviews I may have bought something else. You're reviews were very good.
Charles DeRider Thank you!
My 3rd mow today, and the PTO engagement seems to be calming down. Just a little bump today, (full throttle). You may not have experience with other mowers, and neither do I. But I have gotten stragglers, and one thing that G4 and I do not have experience with (and he should have to do this review), that you do have experience with,---is the optional blades that are available, (which you said cured your straggler happenings). I don't see his vibration problem on my 50", it runs well. So if all I might want to do is change the blades for a better cut,---what is there to complain about? It has an excellent engine, chassis, and is well engineered overall. I can try some other blades, big deal.
Does your mower make a grinding noise when you turn or pivot?
When you were shopping which other models were you looking at? I’m on the fence between this one and a JD
I wasn't shopping. I stumbled into a deal that I couldn't turn down. I would steer away from the Cub.
Just got my new zt2 delivered and it has a cable on the seat to keep it from falling all the way forward
Dylan Franz They listen time these videos.
@@g4outdoors It's actually an option on the next model up it doesn't come on the zt1
Thanks for the video and honest review. Talked me out of the ZT2 - 50...I went all in and bought an exmark radius e series 48" A decent jump in price (About 1500) but what a beast.
Exmark makes great mowers for sure.
I appreciate reviews and watch them frequently. I usually go through a plethora before I purchase an item. However , I really think this guy does not like Cub Cadet, he also must haven’t gotten a lemon or is rough with it. I researched for months before purchasing the ZT 1 50”. I looked at Ariens etc. First of all, nothing is perfect. I hope to purchase an item that has overwhelming positives and I will deal with or modify the rest. On my machine...deck does not move at all. Cuts like a beast without stragglers. Chews up grass like no other. I personally do not need arm rest. I could add seat leash but I have yet to need to put that seat down. Like another poster, I would be more gentle. Might put a towel down to protect. However, how often do you need to put the seat down? I spent my money on this thing. I will treat it nicely. Seat is super comfy compared to others. Even though it is zero turn, ride is pretty smooth. I do not necessarily want a deck that is totally rigid. I want some give. It’s designed with rollers (several, love bull nose). However, I do not stand on mine. Don’t need to. But again my deck does not move like his. Gas? I can can over 4 times on my 1/2 acre on a mostly full tank. I don’t blaze either. I enjoy mowing and let the 50” do the work. That is a lemon or engine issue which would be Kawasaki not Cub Cadet. Most mowers in this range have 18” tires. I love my 20”. Much better ride. Almost deal breaker for me in this price range. Height adjustments are easy and awesome. Deck lowering mechanism is great.
I just wanted to express my experience. It is has been great thus far. I reviewed/examined/road many mowers. I was shocked that a Cub Cadet is sitting in my garage but I am impressed in the residential range. I worked with a professional landscaping company that used the expensive fancy machines. I cannot afford those and do not need them. To each his own but don’t throw this mower out.
Jason McNeese had my last cub for 12 years. The only thing I put on it was a battery and oil. Cut better than this, and was way smooth than this. I’m not rough on this cub at all. I use it just as it is intended. I really wish I could have every person that talks like you do come over and test ride this mower. I have absolutely nothing to gain by saying what I say about this mower except respect for being honest. You can go watch all the other reviewers that were given a mower to review and bowed down because cub gave them that mower, but not this guy. Go buy your cub. You’ll love it! For a month or so before you start seeing for yourself.
Also, read comments too. You’ll find people who are saying the exact same.
I think you need better blades I put the extreme blades. Because the stock blades may not be ideal for your grass. I just cut a foot 1/2 grass with my ZT2 50'' no problem. Sometimes we need to change things so the will work. Some of the things you talk about can be fix though your dealer. I have none of the problems you talk about. Also the seat. Go auto zone and get a tail gate cable. I do like your videos but I think you are looking for problems. Instead, make solutions like the seat.
@@robertsprouse8237 That is my job. To look for problems. I've made videos about the good side of this mower. You are right about being able to fix these things on my own, but should I have to? I 100% agree it needs better blades.
@@g4outdoors Then test the blades CC offers, or any other aftermarket blades if available. We would love to see the results. I am sure, if they give a excellent cut, they are very much worth it to test,----because I see a baby going out with the bath water here. I need to pick up anew filter for an oil change. I could just as easily get different blades I bet. I may throw the stock blades out with the bath water, but not this whole baby. :)
im shopping. thanks for your review
private private Please watch this review!! It’s worth every penny! th-cam.com/video/fv4dboV3K8Q/w-d-xo.html
got question nobody has been able to give me an answer lol. I got an ultima zt1 42 , same engine as the 46 that i really was wanting to purchase but 42 was only available and i needed it right away , now question is can i i switch the 42 deck into the 46 ?
Yes
Anybody know how to get the handles to line up. Mine are out of whack no matter how i adjust them
In central ny every week we double cut many lawns even with brand new Ferris with weekly sharpenings. Just depends on the grass
Having to double cut and wanting to double are two different things, and I understand what you are saying. This mower, no matter how I mowed, I would have to double cut. With other mowers that I have reviewed, I have wanted to double cut for cleanup pass and patterns. If you mow “many” lawns, you know what I’m saying.
@@g4outdoors I just got one today grass isn’t ready for mowing yet here, but for half the price of any other mower can’t complain until I see what it does I guess. I just have a little over a acre for at my house hoping it holds up good, would be great for small area bagging of it holds up
We have one and it pours through gas like crazy we also have a Scag and it will last all week most of the time
ZT2 has the strap for the seat but I agree that should be standard. Also fenders are available for the rear tires.
Neighbor and I both have. Me, no problems yet. His, bad arbor bearings at less that a year old. No grease, no way to grease. Another note, sharp blades really reduce fuel use.
I just purchased that mower haven’t received it yet should I send it back before unpacking and get a toro
If it doesn't vibrate, I'd say you are probably ok. The Toro is an excellent mower! I wouldn't hesitate to get one.
If you had to chose a zero at the 50-54 range what would you chose. I like thw ariens 52 with the kawi 23.
Always get the most that you can afford. Biggest motor and biggest deck,,,,,, but make sure you get the best bang for your buck as well. Sometimes the motor size will be the same on a 54 as a 60, so the 54 will have a better HP to cut power ratio. Also, in general, the bigger the mower, the more stable and comfortable it will be. Currently I am running a Toro TimeCutter 54” with the MyRIDE system. LOVE IT, on the other hand, I loved the Ariens Apex 60”. Both of these mowers were powered correctly, but the 60” Ariens covered more ground because of the width. The less time you spend on the mower, the longer it will last. I truly hope that helps or puts some insight on the matter.
What would you choose in the 3500 and below price point?
@@g4outdoors i tend to lean towards the ariens because of the stable deck with four point harness of the deck. My yard has some dips which is why i am skeptical of the floating deck.
@@coastalcarolinafishingnc5199 Ok, so you’re going to make me dive a little deeper. There is a significant line in the sand when you jump from one price point to another. I’ll break them into 3 categories. First will be the budget models. Let’s say 1,500 -$3,000. The only thing you are paying for is a mass produced throw away model. Cheap motors, both drive and engine, cheap materials in the frame and deck, very low grade drive motors that shouldn’t be used to tow or use on hills. Just everything is built for a 3-5 year mower. Now let’s talk about, oh, 🤔 $3k - $5k. Now you are looking at build quality along with upgrades to the materials used in the frame and deck. Middle (residential) grade engines and drive motors. Although the drive motors are still a little anemic, they are quite a bit better than the low end drive motors. The engines are designed to withstand a higher workload and are built a little better than the lower end engines. Estimated life of these mowers should reach 5-8 years without any major issues. 3rd being $5-$6k and above, now you are looking at reputation, build quality, high end (residential) motors and engines, more comfort features. Engines that are used on entry level commercial mowers. Drive motors that are built for even more payloads and run time with the ability to change the hydraulic fluid. Frame and deck quality built to last you a lifetime (frame and deck only).
Now let’s combine all of these levels. Every single unit in every class run the exact same engines (Kawi, B&S, Kholer, what have you), they all run the same exact drive motors built by Hydro Drive. They all run the same pulleys, belts, seats, ignitions, PTO’s. The only real difference is build quality, reputation, and most importantly, DEALER SUPPORT! If you buy a unit from Lowe’s and you don’t have that brand of a dealer in your area, good luck getting anything fixed in a timely manner. If you buy from a dealer in your area you are going to be better taken care of as a customer. They aren’t going to give two craps about someone who didn’t buy from them and needs their help. Well kind of lol. I’m on my phone and I have no idea what your reply question was at this point because I can’t scroll back 🤣.
Hers the deal. If you want to spend $3k or less, take your pick, they are all throw away mowers. If you want something $3-$5k, start looking at build quality and features. If you want something $5k and above, go to an independent dealership and get help in choosing the right mower for you. Or just do that anyway. They will put you in a mower that is designed for your particular needs. If you make me type this much again, it’s going to be a while before I have to use the bathroom again to have the time to sit and reply 🤣.
@@coastalcarolinafishingnc5199 Ariens/ Gravley is NOT a bad choice at all sir!! They are in my top 2 favorites! You won’t be disappointed.
I was looking at this and the 48" new Ariens Icon. I went with the Ariens. Seemed like a decent step up in quality and was on sale for only $250 more. The deck chute, with the blade right there on the ZT1, is ridiculous. The Ariens also has armrests and just feels more like a commercial quality mower over a cheaper residential one like this.
What oil to use when changing
Mud? That was obvious to me before I bought it. And maybe a check on your fuel consumption. I have the same motor and get about an acre done in just over 1/4 tank.
Where are the grease fittings on the ZT1?
aren't stragglers caused by mower speed too high, dull blades, or even the incorrect blades for the grass type? i haven't heard of this straggler complaint before.
Or should I get Areins 52”
Knowing what you know now, if you had a choice between the ZT1 and an Ariens Icon X, which one would you purchase?
disregard, I see that you answered that question for @EpicConspiracy.
Sean Cotton great question though!
Mine cuts well if your not cutting too tall of grass, (and I can try different blades, and deck heights yet), and I don't have any abnormal vibration. A great frame with top quality welds, a Kawasaki engine, pumps that are proven and common, a cut quality that is acceptable with the stock blades for me, easy to work on, smartly engineered overall,----I really don't see what people are complaining about. I will tell you this. That Kawasaki engine is probably the best on the market, (I hear Kholer is pretty good too,but I know how hard Japan is to beat in most manufacturing, as I am a vet in the manufacturing field.).
EarthSurferUSA Did you read and comment on every comment? 🤣 I try to respond to every comment and you are making it hard on me. I appreciate your interaction!
6/19/21, @G4 Outdoors , Ahh. Heard you mention 'Ariens;' I recently got a Gravely ztx42 (homeowner-grade) from a lcl dlr: tx/prep/del:
LOVE the gravely ariens lineup!!
@@g4outdoors 6/19/21, 1 thing I notice about Gravely is when you go to their websites, w/so many models/deck sizes--42-44-48-52-60," they look as though they're all interchangeable on the same frames. 2big makes 2clumsy 2clear obstacles & may defeat purpose. G--a really nice machine 4 the $$$.
So just looking for suggestions. Should I get a new cub cadet or used exmark?
depends on how much area you got to cut
They do sell fenders for the rear tires
I read they do. But if not, that is a aftermarket business for you. :) Some old "roadster" type tins would be a seller.
I don't have a problem with the open wheels on it myself, but I would buy a pair of those cool low profile 1940's fender tins. :)
I've had mine running for only 2 hours now, and the cut quality is OK, (not great but OK), for the deep 12" average grass I just cut. I did have one problem with the handles not being even when both in neutral, (between forward and reverse), and it did not say in the owners manual how to adjust it. Turns out, it was easy to adjust, at the linkage next to the pump.
The deck wash attachment needs a cap. Grass and dirt will gather in there and block the water spray nozzle in the deck. Also, the plastic molded threads of the deck wash attachment are a slightly different pitch than a standard water hose thead, and will not screw on all the way. I have a feeling the deck is not made in the same factory as the tractor. If I need a better cut quality, I will look into some different blades if available for the machine. Was it you in another vid who mentioned "Notched, High Lift" blades? My deck is loud, but it does not vibrate much at all when running. If I had a hand lever for the PTO, with the modulation of a motorcycle clutch, I am sure we would be able to actuate the PTO very smoothly, compared to a light switch delivering 23hp to the belt. I think if they had a clutch that took about 3 seconds to engage smoothly, there would be a lot less complaints. I can live with it. I don't have any regrets buying the machine for my 1.5 acres. Plus, a zero drive machine makes lawn mowing fun. For the first time in my life, I can't wait for the grass to grow again. :)
My channel partner may have mentioned trying high lift blades, but no, I don’t have them yet. It’s too bad this machine doesn’t meet my expectations nor operate as advertised, because I really like it. It’s comfortable, it’s fast, it’s easy and smooth to operate, and it’s just cool.
EarthSurferUSA - Yeah I had the same issue with the deck wash adapter, I just pulled the one off my old push mower and it works fine, or you can just get one from Lowe’s, Home Depot etc. I use those snap on adapters on all my hoses and sprinklers, you can get a pack of them for just a few bucks. As far as the blades go, I have the Cub mulching blades that go with this mower and I find them to be excellent, of course I haven’t compared them to other mulching blades, but Consumer Reports rates the Ultima mulching as “excellent” as well.
@@g4outdoors After we got some rain, and the grass grew again, I do see some stragglers after a couple more cuts. I just found out a friend of mine who runs a Kobota franchise also sells cub cadet, and is right down the rural highway from me, (If I would have known that, I would have bought it from him instead of Home Depot). Next time I stop in there I will ask them about different blades they may have for the machine. I am also cutting at 3.5" high. I don't know if a lower cut will cure the straggler issue yet. It may be a vacuum issue more than a blade issue. I have a lot to learn yet and need more time on the machine, and I am just thinking while I type. It is my first rider, and I find it a blast to ride. I am tempted into modifying the engine and taking it to the oval track. :)
@@Justsomedude64 Hey now that was some good information, thanks. I did not know that hose adapter was a standardized product we can get off the shelf. That is going on my shopping list. I have a good dealer right down the street from me also, so it will be easy to look into different blades, if available for my machine. Thanks again for your time sharing your information. Much appreciated.
EarthSurferUSA it IS an enjoyable mower. I can’t deny that. I see in your next comment about blades. I went to my cub dealer and asked for high lift blades. The only other blade for this deck (as of right now) is the mulching blades.
Thanks for saving me money! Well I guess not really since I'll buy a better brand lol, so thanks for the honest review!
I owe the Ultima zt 1 42 with the Kohler engine and for the life of me I can't figure out why they DIDN'T include a built-in hour meter somewhere on this unit. $3000 machine and I had to go online to buy one after the fact.
I'm retired landscape owner . I sold my scag equipment to another landscaper. I now own a zt1 its a great machine!!! For $3000 dollar amount !!! Go spend $15000 on a Scag would be happy then ??!!!
You mention missing your tractor in the comments compared with this mower. What tractor would you recommend/buy in the 42" size category?
mct8888 I haven’t looked at tractors in years. I did see one at Home Depot that had EFI on it. Sorry I couldn’t help.
@@g4outdoors No worries. I've got a pretty big slope in my front yard so I'm exploring tractors. Wish a ZTR mower would work for me.
Also my tires do got grip at all they are always sliding even when its dry
Good thing they slip. Those rear tires have a good off road type tread. If they did not slip on your dry slope, you probably would have roll over. YOU LIVE TO TELL THE TAIL!! That is to be celebrated. :) That tread pattern is pretty close to perfect for lawns.
Make sure your running 8lbs tire pressure
Did you remove and Balance the Blades? I bet they were off from the factory
I did. They were balanced on top of the line balancing equipment.
I think your seat left the assembly line slightly unfinished. Those flaps just get tucked in under the lower seat foam, (no staples needed). I had to pull mine out to see what you were talking about, and tucked them right back in. You are a kind of guy I can hang around with, but I promise you, if you made a fairly complicate product to sell,--you would hate you. :)
I may have went to high school with you are you from goose Creek South Carolina?
Grabing Stars nope. Kc Mo
You say the cut is not clean and it vibrates. That’s strike two and it’s off my list. Thanks for the review and there are other reviews with the same conclusion.
You are very welcome!
I hope you have that mower for a business or maybe mow the whole neighborhood. Because that is HARDCORE OVERKILL for that size of lawn. lol
Go big or go home lol. I actually do mow my whole block and an empty lot behind our property.
Actually I sold this after this video. The vibrations were just too much to handle and it was getting worse.
Did they improve anything on the 2020 model???
I have no clue. Sorry.
Mine has the Kohler, is great on gas
so this is a little older now, hows it held up?
Corey D I sold it pretty quickly. It was honestly that bad. I am currently demoing a new 2020 Toro TimeCutter MyRide 54” 24.5Hp. First cut impressions,,,, buy it!!
@@g4outdoors how much you give for that?
If you could only use one the next 3 years would you use the cub cadet or Ariens?
My yard is too steep for the Ariens Ikon x 42. So I would have to choose the Cub. If my yard was flat, I could definitively say Ariens. Next year I should be getting the Ariens Ikon xl 50, which is geared more for my yard with the wider tires to hold the cornering. Without a doubt, if I knew what I know now, I would never have bought the Cub. I regretted selling my tractor after receiving this cub immediately. Like I say in the video, If you don't care about cut quality, the cub is a fantastic mower. I honestly believe the warranty on the deck pullies will be utilized within the next 3 years as well. I just expect a better cut for the money and the Ariens defiantly provides. Was that too much info? LOL. I like your question!
@@g4outdoors I got the 50" inch cub couple weeks ago, im returning it next week for the Ariens and was just making sure im not nuts. The looks of the cub got me to buy it, but after having it im not pleased with it for exact reasons you gave
G4 Outdoors Probably should have held out for the ZT2, it has larger/wider tires (including larger front wheels) than the ZT1....and again on the cut quality, mine has been superb. Saying “if you don’t care about cut quality” is a bit unfair, I’ve seen every Ultima video on TH-cam and Instagram and I’ve only seen exactly 2 people other than yourself to have anything close to a complaint about cut quality. One of the guys was going full speed through nearly foot tall lawn grass & the other was going full speed through nearly knee high field grass/weeds, both indicated that some stragglers are to be expected under those conditions with any residential mower. Even Consumer Reports rates the cut evenness, side discharge and mulching quality as ‘excellent’, their highest rating.
It should also be noted that the IKON-X was in the group of mowers that Ohio State University tested for cut quality (independent test, not a test sponsored by Cub) and the Cub came out on top as having the best overall cut quality. (That’s where Cub gets it’s “best in class” claim from.). Just thought that folks should have as much info as possible, obviously opinions will vary.
@@Justsomedude64 Opinions will defiantly vary. Fact is, if MY mower was in that test, it would have failed miserably.
@@g4outdoors I would adjust everything well like deck leveling, and maybe even go to the dealer to get the mulch blades, (or maybe a "High Rise" blade) before you send it back. Mine does not have any vibration problems, but I would not mind a tad better cut quality, so I will use the new blades. I think overall this machine is very well engineered and manufactured, (the frame welds are almost Custom Bicycle weld quality), with probably the best chassis and engine in it's class. I think two other factors I need to wire down is my speed when cutting, (I go about half throttle, because the ground is rough), and deck height. I have only run at 3.5" height so far, but 3" might get rid of the few stragglers the stock bales leave behind. Fix it. it feels good! :)
Lots of back handed compliments about this machine. Are you really happy with it?
I don’t own it anymore if that helps.
The deck didn’t move? Maybe I’m missing something
I had a Dixie chopper and the cub isn’t near as solid. Deck vib, it blows grass up through the deck, no hour meter, plastic non bolted throttle. Bringing it back to Home Depot
I have the ZT1 54 I never had problems with my deck and the mower cuts good but setting in the seat while cutting will literally jar your insides out it is very rough riding if you don’t have a perfectly smooth yard or buy a much more expensive seat I think I will go back to tractor style this Cub Cadet was very expensive for such a poor ride
I know my seat is not on a leash so I don’t sling it over so it slams on the frame. I get what you’re saying. It’s not that big of a deal to just lay it over.
I remember when I was looking at this in its production stage. The first thing I did was lift the seat and it just plopped over. I bet the majority of first timers do it once or twice. It’s hard to remember to explain every detail while making a video. Thanks for watching!
@@g4outdoors No, you lifted the seat, "let it go", and then it plopped over. It is something that is super easy for a human being to control, even a child can control the unbridled seat. I bet some dogs can too. I agree that a cable is a worthwhile inexpensive thing, but we are man who thinks, (the dog would have to be trained), and it is pretty easy to figure out how to lift a seat and control it's decent. To lift the seat and just drop it, is not an argument as much as it is just misuse IMO. Sorry man. I never dropped my seat. But since this is my first rider, I never expected a cable to be there when I first lifted the seat. (giving you an "out" there) :)
I have the exact ZT1-50. Simple Seat fix for me. I put in one arm when I lift up the seat and it catches :-). Just sayin...
@@michaelbrown3423 Once you learn that it flops over, sure, but not knowing, it falls out of your hands.
I like my ZT1, but is it not made by MTD?
I believe so. I bought a lowes tractor years ago when they put their name on and loved it. have no problem with mine.
the extremely bumpy ride so that's no good but definitely rides rough for mowings and now have back issues~
Replace the existing plastic seat bumpers with 3 inch motorcycle seat springs barrel type and the world will open up to you, your family and all those who are lucky enough to enjoy your seat.
I can’t agree with you on the deck wash, I have a different experience, it works pretty well for me and I use it on concrete. I even jacked it up and had my scraper in hand but when I looked under the deck there was nothing to clean, seriously. I have thick grass and I mulch. The water that comes from under the deck is heavy dark green (when there is significant muck under there) , I just run it until the water turns clear. (I have a ZT2 60)
Albert Einstein I like to hear that you have had a better experience than I have. #lawnlife
G4 Outdoors Yeah I’ve religiously done the deck wash immediately after every cut, maybe that helps. BTW, thanks for the close ups on the cut. I get the occasional straggler but it’s usually not grass, it’s usually a weed of some sort. In the plush weed free areas of my lawn it lays down a really nice cut. Plus I’ve seen some really nice cuts on instagram with the Ultimas...here are a couple: instagram.com/p/By--_wAnCPy/?igshid=ke1nn1fqn7g1
instagram.com/p/Bys711GplaP/?igshid=1qfl1jfkzlpsk
@@Justsomedude64 Not gonna lie, I have taken some banger photos myself. It looks good from a distance.
Albert Einstein dint deck wash after use. Mower is hot. Metal expands and eventually water gets in to bearings in spindles.
Same here, but I do it on grass near the pump house. 45 seconds, and it is almost dirt free under there. It's impressive IMO.
I was about to buy one, after watching this I’ll keep shopping. Thanks
Did you have the blades sharpened and balanced? You shouldn’t be having a cut issue... I would seriously do a deck check and make certain that you are razor sharp?
Skip the Cadet; get the Toro TimeCutters, since they come with large rear fenders to protect riders from wet grass and mud
We should actually be getting the Toro TimeMaster in any day now for review!
Wow....
I bought a new Cub cadet xt1 46 inch cut.. last year and I'm here to tell you the quality of cut is terrible.. I know they put those airplane propeller more blades on there I'm thinking that would compensate for the very bad deck design but those blades been really easy even though I haven't been one but everybody else has bent the blades ... I've never seen a more put so much grass on top of the mowing deck either in my whole life... I'm an experienced lawn mower mechanic and I have the deck set perfectly the way it should be. Brand new more... Terrible quality cut...😮
It's called a floating deck. That's why it moves like that when you kick it lol
My mower has a floating deck and a step on it but doesn't budge when u step on it.
My mower has a floating deck so I took it to the beach for a vacation it was fun but it didn't make it back home.
Is a 7 year old clean cub cadet zero turn for $500 a good deal?
Yes very much worth it
Did they ever figure out what was causing the vibration
It was made by Cub.
Cub must have figured it out. I just bought a ZT1 with the 46" aeroforce deck and it has ZERO vibration. I was nervous to buy it but I tried it at the dealer before I paid for it. My only complaint is that the hydros are stiff.
Do you know the width of your mower with guard up . My gate is 48 inches
The zt2 fix all those problems that the Zt1 has... plus they give you 3year warranty unlimited engine hours... I have no problem with my zt2 and I have 5 Acres....
I’ve always I wondered why people with small yards buy these large mowers.
Cause we’re lazy 👍
I'm from Ontario
We have a lawn care company and we have more down time on this mower. I have to dubble cut every lawn constantly cleaning grass out of the deck. I go through blades like crazy. And if the deck didn't have that big lip around the under side of the deck for the grass to stick it would make a difference if that was gone. It is a pig on gas. I really didn't have a good experience with this Cub Cadet and for that I will not ever buy any more in the future. Other then looking cool that's about all it got going for it. Sorry
Don’t apologize to me. I thinks it’s a pile as well. I’ve got several videos on this mower. Each one getting worse over time.
Plus are aresbis the 2019 ZT2 we got it brand new off the lote
Sorry it a Canadian thing LoL
I also have a Kaw....engine 21 hp it's a gas hog !
$3,000 mower 3 years ago. $3,800 mower today. Inflation is real ladies and gentlemen.
I just got this for 2600 at home Depot