Afterlife Insurance: Is Cryonics Really That Crazy? | Answers With Joe
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Cryonics is the act of freezing a dead body so that someday it can be revived when future technology can bring them back to life. The chances for success are slim. But is it a bad idea?
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Humans have been trying to cheat death for as long as we've existed. The drive to live longer, to survive, seems etched into our DNA. The entire field of medicine exists for that one reason - to extend human life.
Our medical technology has progressed by leaps and bounds over the years and along the way our notions of death has changed as well. We no longer see it as a state, but a process. And some have taken this notion to extremes and believe that you can freeze that process indefinitely so that future medicine can cure you. This is cryonics.
There are a handful of major cryonics companies, including Alcor, the Cryonics Institute, and KrioRus. They have spent years mastering the cryopreservation process that starts as soon as possible after the body is declared dead.
Whether this process will actually work is unknown, but it's a bet cryonicists are willing to take.
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Yes, its from the year 2520.
500 years from now I have no skills for jobs these days okay put me back in
Skillshare might rule the world
That's what I thought..
Joe, i have been suffering from stage 2 bone cancer and it’s been rough. Not sure how long i have to live but i want to keep gaining knowledge and I wanted to thank you for making this strive for more knowledge easier.Thank you!
I wonder if this person is still alive?
Good on ya.
You ok man?
He's gone
Rest in peace. Death is extremely sad. I hope they cure cancer, heart diseases, organ transparent, dmentia and Alzhmiers.
16:10 Ok, now I'm imaging a bunch of unfrozen 21st century people sitting on street corners in the 27th century asking for people to etransfer them credits in language so outdated it would be like panhandling in Shakespearean English today. "Lo, fair lady. Spareth thou a few pence for a humble orphan of the past? Nay? Fie, then. A pox on your house, ye wretch'd wench!"
That's like the cryonics episode of Star Trek TNG where they find 3 folks who were frozen back in our time and one of them is a jackass who witters on about money and stocks and how he's gonna sue Picard if he can't get put through to his lawyer.
Part of what you pay for in cryonics is reintegration back into society.
@@Baes_Theorem good question, although it's probably still too early for these organizations to have put much, if any, time and money into answering it. But I imagine that as science/technology gets closer to solving the "big thaw" challenge, then they'll probably work on how to reintegrate former people-pops into society ;?)
YEET! (Is this how that works?)
English is only my 4th language yet I had no problem understanding that Shakespearean quote. Your argument's invalid.
More interesting, from a theorycrafting standpoint, is that even in liquid nitrogen we have an experiation date. No biological processes are running, but radioactive decay of isotopes and damage due to background/cosmic radiation is still occuring. Simplistic calculations point to a ballpark of 1000-5000 years till one accumulated a destructive dose of radiation.
Great! More questions! This won't be feasable for at least another hundred years
@@zombiasnow15 so well in the ballpark of 1000 years ;)
Yeah wow, all your carbon 14 won't be replaced, huh wonder how that would affect it
@@zombiasnow15 Why? How can you possibly know it will take a hundred years? Technology is advancing in an exponential rate. If we don't have it by the end of this century, I doubt we will have had a good century (as in we have found the solution to the fermi paradox).
You can't get cancer or die of radiation if you're "glassified"
This subject was also covered in depth by noted futurist Matt Groening in his breakthrough work "Futurama". His deep depth death character-Fry, has posed many of these philisoplical questions. Truly a fine post today...
Always an innovator.
WELCOME TO THE WORLD OF TOMORROW!
Zoidberg rocks
Do you really want to take a chance of being a head in a jar eating fish food?
One of my favorite documentary series.
What about crayonics? Where you're basically turned into a crayon.
I still can't get the purple ones out of my nostrils
@@midas2092 They ARE your nostrils!
madame tussauds has the patent on that lol
@@Rose_Harmonic mother of God...
That sounds greenish. How can I trust you?
@@midas2092 How can it be greenish if there are purple crayons?
I always wonder what happens if those companies go bankrupt, from the ongoing costs to maintain your body, what would happen? Would your relatives be informed so maybe you could pay to transfer to another facility? When you sign thier legal documents do you give up certain rights?
This actually happened to the first guy who tried to cryogenically freeze his patients. IIRC, he had 7 tanks, and when he eventually went bankrupt he couldn't afford to maintain/repair them so 6 of them eventually failed. The last one was transferred to a relatively modern cryo facility (I believe it's actually Alcor) but so much damage was already done by him opening and closing the tanks to do repairs that the body was too damaged.
I believe that currently they charge you a fairly large amount and put it in an investment fund that supposedly generates enough revenue that supports you ad-infinitum, barring extreme economic events (wink)
“Dying is an act of faith, a surrender to the mystery.”
That was deep. The music behind that part made it even deeper.
Been watching your channel for less than a year now, found it randomly but I’m glad I did. Really good work!
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can't we just freeze people in carbonite? we should be quite well protected... if we survive the freezing process, that is.
What are the odds of surviving carbonite 3PO? Hang on.. never tell me those.
I don’t think they’re a sponsor of this video.
"What if he doesn't survive? He's worth a lot to me."
@@juanelorriaga2840 "The Empire will compensate you if he dies."
I love how he drops an existential crisis before even talking about the main thing
I worked with a guy whose father was a cryonics pioneer, (not mentioning his name for his privacy), his dad is now in a state of cryonics, well...at least his head is. The stories he told me over the years I worked with him were quite simply bananas. I told him he needed to write a book about the things he saw.
Something I can want to know is if I can stop frost damage by putting the cells under extreme pressure so that different forms of ice occur.
Please, do a demo
Cody, I think you'd be better off with a cryoprotectant.
A cheaper solution (literally) might be to turn your Corpsicle into Plastic th-cam.com/video/SlmK_dnrPAY/w-d-xo.html especially the brainy part. The guy in the video proposes turning Graveyards into Plastic Albums of Brain snapshots that can be scanned later like photographs, and played back on Simulation software like real brains in thinking people.. he even proposes "bringing back" Einstein and other people from the 1800's who pickled their brains in Formadehyde since that was a weaker version.. they might not come back whole, but a few software patches might bring back a little more than Eliza.. I'd luv to Riff on the whole concept of LPs but its just too easy.
You could try it on a mouse, or even just a plant.
Cody, don't eat the corpse ice.
Something I never understood about Pascal's wager: I can't control what I believe. If god really is as powerful as abrahamic religions say, he'll know I don't believe he exists no matter what I *tell people.
*Also, if I'm an agnostic and/or atheist, isn't it better to only break one commandment (believe in god and nobody else) than two by saying I'm religious (which is a false pretense)?
Pascel's wager only works for ACTIONS and not beliefs. That's why it fails for religion and works for cryonics.
I totally agree. You can't *choose* what you believe to be true. Either a proposition is convincing or it isn't. This makes the idea of a god that would punish nonbelievers terrible, and the idea that this is somehow a loving god completely absurd. Not my fault if the Creator can't put together a convincing case that he exists.
And then of course there's always the risk of believing in the wrong God. How was I to know that it was really Ururululuruluru I was supposed to have faith in? Ururululuruluru would have forgiven me for not believing in ANY God at all, but then I went and believed in somebody else.
And now I'm stuck in hell.
@@jibrankhalil4837 Can you elaborate on that, please? I can't seem to fully understand Pascal's wager
@@Ahmad-qd7ix It means that belief in not something you do intentionally. For example, I can not decide that today at 8:34 PM I would start believing the global warming is real but I can decide that by 11:30 PM today I should go to bed.
That's why god punishing somebody for lack of belief is so laughable because yesterday evening I tried to become convinced of his existence but I could not convince myself and now I am doomed to hell if I die this moment. See how funny that statement is.
Damn. Some of what you say really hits home with me. I swear this is a true story: I've had a pretty morbid fear of death for a while now. I'm terrified of never thinking or being conscious or seeing/doing anything ever again - basically nothingness (and I'm religious).
But once, I had a dream where I was taking to Einstein. I asked him if he was afraid of death. Being a radical seeker of knowledge, he said, "No. When we die, one of the greatest mysteries of life will be answered". One of the more profound experiences I've ever had. No drugs involved. This kind of eased my fear of death some.
Man I have been subscribed to all the science channel out there that are worth subscribing to. But your videos on the same topics are almost always better. And that's not an easy thing to achieve. I think it's because of the way you write your scripts. They are lose enough to incorporate humor and introspection and thus keeps one interested but tight enough to touch on all the important facts. Keep up the good work.
If I woke up from cryo-sleep a 1,000 years from now, I'd become a historian. In the year 3018 historians are finally considered cool, right?
In 100 years you won't need historians. (AI and all...)
As a hobby.. sure. ; P
Great 👍🏻 idea💡 !
I'm with you on this one. I mean for sure we know the history of our time well, we can teach them future kids all about our way of life that no Internet or books can describe. we'll have unique experiences
That kind of depends on how well the internet of today is preserved
Everyone turns up for a job interview:
Interviewer: "What job do you want?"
Person 1: "Historian"
Everyone else: "Shit, that was my idea"
I doubt they'd ever defrost and repair one's head/body. More like a scan done at the atomic level then a recreation in a matrix-style program to bring you up to speed. Then you could choose to remain a ghost in the machine, in a sim of your choosing, or port yourself out to the physical world in whatever body you like. Biological, mechanical or a mixture. Having a restore point would also not be a problem and could be done continuously in case of accidental death. You could also fragment your copies throughout the world/universe and choose to consolidate memories at some point. Factory starships, devoid of humans, could be sent ahead to interesting solar systems, ready to receive data and reconstruct humans at the other end. Conversely, we could choose to remain conscious and be miniaturized, running on carbon processors, ported into starships weighing grams. These conscious micro ships could be accelerated to relativistic speeds, the consciousnesses within able to report back on what a whack trip they had.
Then of course there is the Borg option. Joining minds. A collective of all of our own copies, or a collective of all who chose to join.
The options are endless, and who knows what might emerge. Perhaps a level of consciousness we're not able to access just yet.
Once we overcome this 21st century hump of psychopaths fighting over dirt, dragging us through their mud, the universe really will be at our feet.
Nice vid Joe.
consolidate memories that's a heap of trouble waiting to happen. Seriously honey I dint cheat on you that was the other me. It's not my fault I remember her birthday instead of yours. It was 2000 years ago.
Wikus Van De Merwe you just brought back purgatory
It's a great fantastical creation..but the truth is we, would be memory-less and empty humans roaming the Earth..sort of zombieish
If you are Catholic
@@thespiritof76.. Indeed, but purgatory with an off switch. Maybe some of the Likeminds™ (neural clones) would wish to stay conscious, but any who didn't could be wiped, or fly into a black hole.
Existence would always be optional, unless someone had a copy of you and turned you into their own private Tamagochi - that would be more like the concept of purgatory.
I suggest you a topic. Talk about the scientific publishing business. You have to pay 3000€, the scientist that do the peer review aren't paid. After the approval you need to adjust your publication in order to fit in their format and every picture or figure you use become their property. And then in order to view it someone have to pay 40€. Some universitys have to pay big sums so their own students can access the research made in the own University. They literally have more profits than Google.
Not everyone publishes that way, and there is a big pushback against that now.
I need a source on the "more profits than google" claim.
Not sure if this was brought up previously on here, but the book "We are legion, we are Bob" by Dennis E. Taylor (available on audible) is exactly about this subject; though, when Bob awakens from his cryogenic sleep, he finds himself not in his own body, but instead in a Von Neumann probe. It's a superlative 3 book hard sci-fi series that I can't recommend highly enough.
Fantastic channel, I stumbled upon it a few days ago and I'm hooked!
Thanks joe I really needed an excuse to stay in bed for another 20mins. You nailed it.
Go back to sleeeeeep.....
He's not dead! He's only MOSTLY dead
I’m just going to have them drop me in a giant vat of sap. This way when some aliens find me a million years from now I’ll be trapped in amber and will be put in an alien museum!
This comment made me wheeze.😂
Or made into a nice piece of alien jewelry.
@@PumpyC/videos UFO hood ornament?
Woul't work your body would still turn into some fossil thats why Jurasic Park doesnt actually work
@@dehoops973 Would still be pretty boss though XD
Even if I don't have this done, I am glad that someone is experimenting and learning. At some point we will need this for long space flight.
Even if you woke up after 500 years from you'd still find Joe doing those sweet ad transitions.
Yeah I’d go for it. No matter what future I wake up to it’s gotta be better than being dead. I always wanted to see what the future brings in hundred, thousand, million years.
No job, skills, friends, or place to live will be trivial problems compared to being dead.
what if they just put your brain in a vat and torture it for their amusement? maybe they use you as npc in a futuristic role playing game and you die everytime forever and ever.
How do you figure that it's "gotta be better than being dead"?
It might be a dystopian nightmare.....a literal Hell on Earth.
How is that "better" than being dead?
astrol4b Well, that’ll be interesting too 😳
But to do that they’ll need to connect my head to a serious support system. I think AI would be a lot cheaper to make.
that far in the future assuming all goes well jobs will be a thing of the past. ai will do everything we are almost there as it is.
Matthew Lewis ...including resurrecting me 😉
What's interesting is that this concept, if realised, may be the only feasable form of "time traveling" into the future. With no way back to your timeline, of course.
It would be interesting, and certainly feasible with current technology, to experiment with lab mice to cryonise them while they are alive, only to "wake them up" some time later.
"I wanna get frosty!" Total Jim Carrey channel moment!
I’m really glad you came up on my recommendation. Great stuff, and thank you for sharing.
Can I be freezed for the next thousand years please. By that time with the interest on my bank account I maybe able to buy a second hand Model 3.
I think if you play your cards right (and get very lucky) you could have a lot of money in the future.
Do you think so, good I'm off to empty the freezer and shoot myself, just have to remember not the head.
I'd put all my money into SpaceX stocks and put having my body transported to whatever planet we colonize next.
All that depends on inflation. What if America turns into a banana republic and starts printing money like crazy. You wake up with 10 million in the bank only to find out that a future pair of shoes costs 3 million dollars! lol
by that time, hopefully money doesn't exist anymore.
Personally, I'm hoping that the cures for aging-related illness and deterioration are solved within my own lifetime and become inexpensive enough that I can take advantage of them - whether that's a course of medicines, nanobots, physically transplanting my brain into a replacement body (organic or robotic) or some other mechanism not yet dreamt-off.
This would avoid the problem of suddenly waking up in a society of which I know nothing and of which I'm not a part. Living through the intervening years would cause me to change and learn along with the rest of the world, there would be no "catch-up period".
Great video ! I have watched many of yours, but this was an amazing one that seriously has me thinking about so many things! 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
I am going to be a history teacher. Or a delivery guy.
Delivery guy as a job may not last a decade - I doubt that it will be an option available to cevived crionics.
@@woongah So there's this really popular sci-fi show about a guy who accidentally gets frozen and wakes up a thousand years later. He goes on to be a delivery guy, same as his current era job.
@@goddessartemis85 - Wait, Futurama? My bad, I missed the reference, as I never watched the show more than a couple of minutes (nor the Simpsons, to be honest - I am more into '80s anime, being the stuff I loved as a kid).
@@dabotz_draws I don't see a bad here. I was just teasing Cristiano.
I do recommend that you check out Futurama. Tons of internet jokes depend on familiarity with it. And it has some of the best writing I've seen in any show. There's also a lot of great math humor sprinkled throughout it.
“Cryonics is kinda like a time ambulance”
So a ‘tambulance’?
Timbulance
Normal ambulance is a space ambulance
So a "sambulance" ?
Heehee
Nice
Tim tams
Probably my favourite video so far, and by far the best segway to a sponsor I've ever seen!
Your quote "Dying is an act of faith, it's a surrender to the mystery, no matter what you believe in regarding the afterlife even if you believe nothing happens at all.... You're still betting that you're right." really struck me.
Also I tried understanding Pascal's wager, but I just can't seem to wrap my my head around it
Pascal's wager is a false dichotomy.
It's not just believing in gods or not. You must also believe in the "correct" God of the thousands.
So even if you picked one, the probability of hitting the jackpot is still about 1 in 4201. And the probability of landing in a hell, is as much as the number of religions with hell concepts.
So picking a god/afterlife, makes not too much difference than not picking at all.
I choose to believe in the Norse Gods and die in glorious battle so I can gain entry into Valhalla.
What if no culture has picked the correct god?
Plus can you just choose to believe?. It either makes sense to you or seems like something no one could possibly know. I guess you can try and talk yourself into it. But can you really?.
Plus, believing in a god is nowhere free.
Most religions demand contributions, be it straight up material, or mental space, or ritual time. Even if you don't care, it can still crowd out better things in life.
Pascal's wager has an ugly offspring, Pascal's mugging: I am a god, give me money or I submit you to eternal absolute torture. The cost of refusing far outweighs the cost of complying, no matter how small the chances I speak truth.
Plus its impossible to decide what you believe. You either believe or you dont, you cant make yourself believe.
Really Your videos are always of my interest :) hats off broh
Thanks man!
I never seriously thought about this subject until this video! Thanks for a great idea to ponder! Loved the video!
This was so respectful. Most people when talking about cryonics always make jokes and forget that there is a scientific side in all of this. I loved your video. Congratulations!
Love ya joe! Happy Monday everyone.
Right back at ya Zachary! ❤️
Happy whole week!
I love the Star Trek episode where they revive a bunch of people from the 21st Century. It quite amusing especially the Texan oil guy.
"Now, you listen to me, Picard..."
Amazing video, covered all angles!!!
Thank you for refreshing Tim's topic!
Bro imagine some dude chilling in the afterlife having a great time and then they unfreeze his body and he gets sucked back down to earth 😂
You crack me up. Afterlife insurance ... genius !
THANKS, very interesting and entertaining. I learned something.
Great topic. Please post more on life extension.
"...you might as well believe in god, because the benefits of believing in god far outways the downsides..."
Which god, what benefits and what downsides ?
Most gods people believe in are not very "amused" of people worshiping other gods.
...so which god ?
If there is a god and i can't go to paradise despite having lived a good life being good to other people animals and the planet, just because i didn't believe in a childish narcissist supernatural sadist... then the paradise is not a place i want to be anyway.
If there is a god and he is good, then he will let me go to paradise despite not having believed in him.
...so what benefits ?
I am feeling very comfortable knowing that there is nothing after i died. That's nothing bad or sad, and it drives me to enjoy every second of the time i am alive even more.
...so what downsides ?
Jean-Michel Ruiz totally agree
Pascal's wager is one of philosophies most flawed schools of thought. It leads people nowhere in knowledge while causing them to cling to ideas that could be absolutely wrong and it's done out of fear.
Pascal's wager can also work the other way too. Maybe god doesn't want people to believe in him, maybe he want's us to follow the evidence and believe in something only until its evidently justified and this wisdom is what will be rewarded after death. When we live by suspending belief until its sufficiently justified by evidence we die in honesty. So it's better to wager on the evidence in no gods as to not believe in the wrong god or have unjustified belief and stay honest.
Pascal's wager is so flimsy it can work any way for any god, but I guess Pascal was so fixated on his own religious views that through his strong bias he completely missed all the problems with his argument. All it poses is unjustified belief in the unfalsifiable and plays with our fear of the unknown. It's basically a fear driven conversion tool.
"Live a good life. If there are gods and they are just, then they will not care how devout you have been, but will welcome you based on the virtues you have lived by. If there are gods, but unjust, then you should not want to worship them. If there are no gods, then you will be gone, but will have lived a noble life that will live on in the memories of your loved ones." - Marcus Aurelius
Well put
Well said
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Thank you for such a clear, informative and elegant explanation.
If this interests you the We Are Legion book series by Dennis E Taylor is absolutely great
Great overview! You hit all of the basics. More detailed technical info is out there for anyone who's interested, but it tends to make most people's eyes glaze over.
I only have one tiny issue with this vid. The idea of "last in, first out" isn't a "strict policy". It's just a general expectation based on the fact that the cryopreservation process is being continually tweaked and improved.
Cryonics in Arizona, huh? I know, where to spend my next summer. Or... May be next 100 summers.
(P. S. Sorry. This had to be done)
This topic feels like a good idea for a low-budget comedy-horror movie. Dracula's Vitrified Zombies!
This is a fascinating subject, and one that I've been following since the late 70's when I first heard of the Cryonics Institute. You pose a lot of the same questions that I've thought about, and back then I remember that the majority of opinions were that it might take from several hundred to perhaps a thousand years before technology would be able to revive human "cryonauts".
But today, with the speed that science and medicine are advancing, especially that of AI and nanotech, I'm feeling much more confident that we'll be able to crack the most difficult challenge of the "big thaw" within 50 to 100 years at most. As you stated, the fact that embryos can be frozen/vitrified and later be brought back to life is proof that it is actually possible, of course the main obstacle being the size and complexity of a full grown human body.
As yet it's hard to imagine how to thaw a person's body quickly and evenly in order to avoid cellular death and, more importantly, ischemic damage to the brain, but imo the answer will likely be found through the development of intelligent nanobots to repair damaged cells in conjunction with some novel cryogenic fluid which has to capacity to carry oxygen and nutrients in a liquid state at low enough temps to prevent the damage that current types of anti-freeze unfortunately cause.
Beyond the medical/science/tech challenges, I also think the most interesting questions are how former people-cicles will adapt to being brought back, and foremost being how will they find a place, especially a productive one, in society, which will also depend upon financial resources available to them. Perhaps these institutes will eventually offer personal investment strategies through trusts set up for you, but run by independent financial institutes (wouldn't want to create an incentive for these cryonics companies to keep you frozen longer or even forever, lol).
And sadly, these days I'm much less confident that the world will be a better place within that time frame than I was a few decades ago - looking at how power and wealth is increasingly controlled by corporations and the 1% at the top, coupled with the damage global climate change will have wreaked by then, it's looking more likely that we'll be living in some type of dystopian society. So while I have thought for many years that I would be willing to give cryonics a try at the end of my life, nowadays I'm not so certain, smh.
Love your videos!
Only freeze the good parts I have left when I die. Then build a cyborg with those parts. I’d be happy.
I hesitate to ask what you consider to be the "good parts".
So just freeze your big hands, right?
My only fear would be ending up as a museum exhibit with my mouth open staring into nothingness. Totally doing it anyway.. anything is possible.. even though the probability is low.. it's better than the certainty of turning into worm food.
Enjoyed the video. Very informative. You did a lot of research on this subject. The end of life is a mystery for the ages. However, there is one question that actually teases out what is likely to happen. And that question is simply: Where were you before you were born? This is a powerful question. If a person believes they were "nowhere" before birth, then does suggest what is in store for their destination after death? Ask yourself this question. Ask others. You may be surprised by the answers. You may be surprised how inconsistent people can be with respect to where they think they were before they were born (e.g., nowhere) and where they expect to be after death (e.g., heaven or someplace really nice.) Most people have never considered the question, and that is why it is so interesting to ask. It's a philosophical tease - and illuminates how humans have created fanciful notions about life and death.
Good Stuff Joe, As Always!!
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"Dying is an act of faith." Wow. How beautifully put, Joe.
I love your channel and I think this is your Best video yet. Keep it up.
Love your videos 👍🏼👍🏼
So if you died and froze yourself, would you lose all your worldly possessions? I assume the Children and family will inherit one's stuff, most likely they won't want to give it back or have spent one's fortune. Also Why would generations removed want some old guy to wake up and demand their homes or land if it was once theirs?
The premise that there is a purpose to life is only fooling ourselves. Life is. Anyone who puts a purpose on life as a whole is just giving it a human perspective. Sure, we can give our human lives meaning, but it means a speck of nothing in the whole perspective. Paradoxically perhaps, I find thinking this way quite freeing. Anything on top, like God, or 'we are here for a reason' thinking, is a comfort mechanism.
The extension of human life is a reasonable thing, as we try to gain further control over the natural life cycle of the human body. In terms of that it's probably a nice thing to be able to live until you no longer want to. That is, you lose curiosity in everything and everyone, and get terminally bored. Then it's probably time to go. Hopefully, everyone could live to that stage before they get to decide to go.
It's the young people who don't get the chance to feel any of the beauty in life, before they are taken away by an accident or disease, are the ones I really feel sorry for. They are either just becoming incredibly aware of what's out there and are eager to take it all in, or they are destroyed by the environment that they are growing up in and desperately need the beauty in life to pull them from the abyss. But then they die. Either way, that's awful.
Oops. Drifted off into random there. Good video, as always. Thought provoking, which is good.
I completely agree with you buddy.
"The premise that there is a purpose to life is only fooling ourselves."
...why?...
"Anyone who puts a purpose on life as a whole is just giving it a human perspective."
....giving life a "no purpose" verdict is also giving it a human perspective...
Sure, we can give our human lives meaning, but it means a speck of nothing in the whole perspective. "
..."meaning" vs "purpose" define the difference...and it's STILL human perspective...
" Anything on top, like God, or 'we are here for a reason' thinking, is a comfort mechanism."
..again WHY???...why should be the idea of "God" be a comfort mechanism? It could just as well be discomforting...
"It's the young people who don't get the chance to feel any of the beauty in life, before they are taken away by an accident or disease, are the ones I really feel sorry for."
...again... that's human perspective ... welcome to purpose/meaning ...with or without "God" ...
"They are either just becoming incredibly aware of what's out there and are eager to take it all in, or they are destroyed by the environment that they are growing up in and desperately need the beauty in life to pull them from the abyss. But then they die. Either way, that's awful."
...yes we agree...WE KNOW EXACTLY WHAT YOU MEAN..but it shouldn't make a difference one way or another (awful or not, suffering or not) without purpose should it??...
"Oops. Drifted off into random there."
NO YOU DIDN'T!!!...at all...
You just revealed where you TRULY are...after all the rhetoric...part of the purpose of life is BEING SYMPATHETIC AND CARING FOR OTHER SENTIENT BEINGS...be they human or not....even if there isn't a "God"...and that's just PART of our "human perceived perspective"...
Consider that as humans human perception and hence perspective is virtually impossible ...
The purpose of life is for life to go on, every living thing try to survive and reproduce, and that's all the proof we ever had, the purpose of life is for life to go on, and that's all apparently.
I don't understand what you are trying to argue here, that human perspective is special ? I mean I believe there is a correlation between existence and the universe but that's all, maybe every living thing on this planet is somewhat conscious, "exists" if you may, maybe we just got lucky but hey if the universe is almost infinite, and in constant progression then maybe we are not that special ,and consider multiverse too, if there are other universes then we literally represent nothing.
Your life matters in the sense that you only get once chance, and it's this one, you were lucky to be who you are, you were lucky not to be a snake, a rabbit, or something easy to kill or whatever, and since your life is everything and when you die there is nothing, then yes it is important for you to enjoy this life and try to live as long as you can cause, you know you were pretty lucky.
Of course we feel sad when we see someone die it's empathy, which is an evolutionnary advantage, the "human perspective" as you say is just the human nature, empathy and the will to live. Some psychopaths don't have empathy, some people have very low empathy so what is their purpose in life ?
i'm not sure what you are trying to argue here, that life has purpose or meaning ?
Well you give your life meaning, but technically I don't believe in free will, not because of destiny or anything but because I think your genes and your environnement makes up who you are, and everything that happens and every choice that you make is up to randomness of the present, and the randomness that made you who you are.
That was a good read, Chief. I can try to speak for every African American child, teen, or young adult. That is where we are now, threatened by our environment, each other, and others. That just want us dead. We desperately need that hand to pull us out of the abyss, desperately. That is why almost every African American person belongs to one religion or another, because it's the only hand that is their for us. To help pull us away from that deep dark abyss.
_"The purpose of life is for life to go on, every living thing try to survive and reproduce, and that's all the proof we ever had, the purpose of life is for life to go on, and that's all apparently."_
..all that sure sounds like "no purpose " to me...
_"I don't understand what you are trying to argue here, that human perspective is special ?"_
..no...that's it's UNAVOIDABLE...that's why you're here giving us YOURS...unless i'm mistaken...
_" I mean I believe there is a correlation between existence and the universe but that's all,"_
..do you know of someone who may not believe that??....From the view of Cosmology...there's no room or concern with purpose, that's a totally different realm..
_" maybe we just got lucky but hey if the universe is almost infinite, and in constant progression then maybe we are not that special ,and consider multiverse too, if there are other universes then we literally represent nothing."_
..and this is NOT human perspective???......
_"Your life matters in the sense that you only get once chance, and it's this one"_
...one wonders how *you got to personally realize this* ...i categorically DON'T KNOW one way or the other and given my self acknowledged ignorance, i'd rather *not make assertions.* We're different people...apparently....
_" you were lucky to be who you are, you were lucky not to be a snake, a rabbit, or something easy to kill or whatever, and since your life is everything and when you die there is nothing, then yes it is important for you to enjoy this life and try to live as long as you can cause, you know you were pretty lucky."_
...i won't even begin to try explaining why all the above is just vacant hot aired ranting...the task is simply way TOO MUCH....hopefully you can work it out yourself one day coming soon.....hopefully...
_"Of course we feel sad when we see someone die it's empathy, which is an evolutionnary advantage, the "human perspective" as you say is just the human nature"_
...OK..so there's no purpose ....BUT THERE IS "NATURE"?????....doesn't "nature" point to *a blueprint* of behaviour and propensities???? ...doesn't your blueprint become your "preordained purpose"???...are you THINKING?????....
_"i'm not sure what you are trying to argue here, that life has purpose or meaning ?"_
...yes I'M SAYING EXACTLY THAT....i never gave the reason(s) why i FEEL that way, or why IN MY OPINION it's true....
_"Well you give your life meaning, but technically I don't believe in free will"_
...but you still accept HUMAN NATURE???.....are you saying that our "nature" (speaking contrarily) is having no free will???...how do YOU reconcile THAT???...
_" I think your genes and your environnement makes up who you are, and everything that happens and every choice that you make is up to randomness of the present, and the randomness that made you who you are."_
..notice your quote begins with I THINK...
...that's *your* human perspective on reality...
...it's *your* opinion...
...and you're *very welcome to it* ....
..as i am to mine....
*:-)*
@Joe Scott: First time I see someone mentioning the phylosophical problem I always think of during long drivings in a car - problem of teleportation. Indeed, Star-Trek teleportation is basically a killing machine combined with Tesla´s duplicator from "The Prestige" movie. I think it deserves its own episode - comparison of two different types of teleportations we see in Sci-fi (StarGate wormhole / Star-Trek teleport) and how far are we from it. Lemme know if you want more info, I have gathered some.
I suggest a reading of the Wait But Why post on cryonics. Fascinating stuff.
Between a 0% chance of revival and a 1% chance of revival, it seems like the 2nd option would be the most rational. Cryonics might be a long shot, but it is the only shot available right now for those who want to live forever.
Basically, it's either cryonics, or a 0% chance at life.
Question for Joe: Are you signed up yourself? You seem to be quite convinced by the logic of cryonics..
waitbutwhy.com/2016/03/cryonics.html
Good case for cryonics. Long read but quite worth it.
"Cryonics is the process of pausing people in critical condition who can’t accept the concept of death, in the hopes that people from the future will be able to save them."
Just seeing world in future would be enough for me no matter its good or bad
I co-authored a book with Robert Nelson, the man who kicked cryonics off by freezing James Bedford, called Freezing People is Not Easy. This is perhaps the best, fairest description of the field of cryonics.
Possible answer to the teleportation problem, would love to get thoughts:
Idk if someone’s already named this but If not I’d call it the transition solution. What if just like how our cells slowly replace each other and carry on the same process to maintain our consciousness, we slowly applied this to transitioning over time to computer consiousness. Each day a little more computer takes over for a few more nerve cells. You go a long period of time where your consciousness is shared by neurons and computer code until finally, a year or years later you’re fully code
Does the Cryo-life insurance also cover the cost of waking you up? or is the $200.000 just to be frozen? Otherwise what would be the motivation for the future guy's for spending what is most probably an exorbitant amount of money to get you thawed out and up and running again?
Jurjen Kerkman you'd hold information about your times culture, a spectacle of modern science etc.
@Jurjen Kerkman In last 2 centuries (at least from Bismark times) there's a global proces towards public healthcare systems. While the US is a semi-hold out (semi = US gov already spends more on healthcare as percentage of GDP than quite many countries with universal coverage), if we're talking about centuries, then anyway it would end up with all population covered. Nevertheless, someone being frozen with all his relatives dead is neither an emergency nor loud pressure group. Thus defrosting would start with an extra few decades delay, as it would be a subject to politically expedient budget cuts.
To directly answer your question, in the case of Alcor, yes. The money left over from the cost of cryosuspension goes into the "Patient Care Trust". The interest it accrues more than covers the cost of upkeep (topping off the liquid nitrogen is very cheap), and when the tech required to revive patients is finally developed (and can be afforded), the principle will be used to pay for that process. Alcor is contractually obligated to do so, and either way eventually it becomes cheaper to revive patients than to keep them in suspension.
Thank for the explanation, appreciated.
@excited box The short answer is that to revive someone from cryosuspension will *probably* require nanotechnology that can do repair at the cellular level. At that point, repairing whatever infirmities (disease, injury, aging) you had while also repairing any cellular damage from the suspension process will be trivial. Nobody is going to "come out of the tank" feeble or diseased.
Put another way, we'll cure aging and disease before we have the ability to revive cryonics patients.
I just have one question. Why would the people in the future revive anyone? What is the value in investing a lot of resources and time into brining back someone who has outdated education, worldview, mindset? What would World gain from having whole lot of old dudes who are bringing the past?
One of the philosophers once said. You do not chose time. You live in it and you die in it. And I do not see any logical reasons why anyone (except maybe an outstanding scientists, poets, writers, - other great men) would be revived.
I do not think any society that is short of resources would bother, so the chances are you would be revived either for your skills or knowledge (Perhaps you have an aptitude for something or the researchers of the time find you interesting?) or the society itself is wealthy enough to do it basically for 'shits and giggles'.
@@ptonpc If we acquire a sufficiently advanced technology for this feat we would most likely not be short on resources.
Well, if we could defrost a Viking stuck in a glacier, we would.
You are awesome thank you so very much
In his book, The Singularity is Near, Kurzweil makes a good point about the copy/teleportation problem: if you replace the brain neuron by neuron, with the person awake, like in brain cirurgies, then it looks like the consciousness will be transferred from the old fleshy to the new tech brain
13:30 Hah, my dogs went to a retirement farm in the country :p
I have a deep freezer and am just gonna crawl into it when I get really sick.
lol Thomas.
Don't forget to drink antifreeze beforehand
Fabulous video.
Great video
as a male Nurse i can tell you that i more often than not i Encounter People who welcome death in their last month(s)/year(s) or day(s). not because of pain or suffering, not because of social Isolation, but because they are "done", or even simply tired of life. the lust for eternal life hails more from People who are in a very comforting Position to begin with. most of our species aren't and never will be in the same Position unless we go full on star trek (replicators, etc.) and everyone got a paradise-esque life. life even in countries with retirement plans, etc. can be horrific for everyone but the upper class once you hit "old age" and tbh. i don't see this changing ever.
So are they contractually obligated to revive and repair you? Who’s to say that they would bring you back if they could? And who would pay for the operation? It would surely be a very expensive task to reanimate a person. Maybe they would just leave you on ice or just dispose you after so many years?
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Same thing I am thinking. I mean who is there to ensure or even care if you are ever "brought back"? In 1000 years or even after 100 years, what purpose would you be able to serve to the current civilization of that time? Also, whose to say that "they" did for some reason need us people from the past. Why would they not be very selective about the process and only bring back the people that could serve whatever purpose that they chose (i.e. genetics).
I just doubt that I would ever be able to serve a purpose or contribute in any way at a future point of time that a first grader of that time would not be able to, and to even greater capacity than myself. Although, I would love to see what the future is like by any means possible! Sign me up!
The people involved are betting on a BETTER world the implication is that6 the kind of world that would bother defrosting you would be a world with at least free health care, not too much that a person from the 2010s can offer to pay for, or even do to work off the value of a new life.
Seriously? You thought scientists are not passionate enough to have readily available bodies to try cryonics if ever? Anyway, the donor knows there's no guarantee. That's why they are donors because they donate for science and research in the future. What they pay for is the process of preserving their body for the as long as possible.
Yer dead... who cares? If you don't get brought back welll... you lived your life... and you lived it slightly poorer than you would have otherwise but what is money to happiness anyway?
You made a lot of good points that never occurred to me when thinking about this subject. Oh, and nice segue to Skillshare.
I appreciate I am late to the party on this but a couple of follow ups I’d appreciate someone to chime in on. 1. What is the difference in vitrification of the body vs brain? Is it possible that by focussing on one organ the success rate may be higher?
2. I have thought a lot about the teleportation problem and how if you make a copy of the brain it is no longer you. I may have a way around it. The brain works via electrical signals. Suppose we can replace portion of those with our computerised alternative and have them wired up to interface with our existing brain, you’d still be you. Now let’s keep going, at what point would you lose control over your own memories thoughts and feelings. Is it when the final Neuron is replaced? Or does it never happen?
You should really really watch altered Carbon on Netflix this goes with in your video
Your consciousness and memories depend on active synaptic potentials. Maybe I'm behind on the chemistry, but I'd be willing to bet there's no way to freeze someone post-mortem and preserve the arrangement of synapsis. Any technology magical enough to recreate you from a corpsicle could do the same thing if you just left your brain in a shelf pickled in formaldehyde.
Lovely segue.
6:53 I love your acting.
8:02
Vannila sky!,Comes,to,mind,great,film
a remake of Abre Los Ojos also a great film.
Did you read the Bobiverse books? Frozen with binary perspective ;)
Nice job Joe!
The Transmetropolitan comic series dealt with this issue, people being revived typically coming out with major psychological disorders not being able to comprehend the future they woke up in and discovering that the future really didn't care about them, dubbing them 'Sleepers' shoving them into shelters and forgetting about them.
I love Transmet, and found that story morbidly amusing, but I don't think it's accurate at all. The kind of people who sign up for cryonics are people who see life as an adventure and are hungry to learn about the future. People migrate to radically different countries where they don't speak the language yet still thrive all the time. This won't be much different. Cryonicists are also a pretty close-knit group. If nothing else, the shared experience is likely to create a strong internal support network.
"Whoo-hoo-hoo, look who knows so much. It just so happens that your friend here is only MOSTLY dead. There's a big difference between mostly dead and all dead. Mostly dead is slightly alive. With all dead, well, with all dead there's usually only one thing you can do."
Miracle Max, The Princess Bride
Nah I'm cool. Living one lifetime is enough stress. I'm not doing all that twice.
Me either.
Just a few words Joe, or more like several. I do enjoy your presntations, along with well placed wit and provacative incite plus info, not in that particular order. I usually check with your chanel to get a more rounded prespective on subjects like Space weather, Solar influence, etc. So I guess by extension I do like the cut of thy jib 👌lol
I found this strangely comforting.😊
In terms of what one might do after revival, we must remember that we cannot assume the world of the future would operate in any way similair to ours now. That means things like jobs could very well no longer exist, same with money.
One possibility is that jobs will simply change into hobbies one does to keep oneself busy and entertained, whilst the real work is done by A.I. (If of course we survive that inevitable chapter of our future) and money is no longer a necessity used to live in and explore this new world.
Another possibility is that even if jobs continue to exist and people must do them to survive (or at least to be a member of society), we'll have BMI's which will get us up to speed very quickly and help us integrate rather flawlessly into the world around us.
In both cases however, you'd at the very least be a curiousity walking about in this technology infused world, a "death-clocked" person among what I'd presume to be almost immortals, so you would be treated with some degree of care for the first few years/decades at minimum.
One can also entertain more sinister thoughts about our unpredictable future, where god knows what sort of world you'd be put into. But I'd rather write and think about the positives, which in my opinion are plentiful in number and stand as reason enough to, when the time comes, throw yourself into the rather cold and mysterious arms of cryonics and just hope for the best.
Need a future job? How about history teacher? Lol
Knowledge will be shot into brains by freakin' laser beams. No need for teachers.
@@wradale Ok well then you can be in a museum/public speaker. People im sure would love to ACTUALLY see a person from the time rather then just learn about that time.
@@wradale They would need someone who lived during that time to accurately put things into context or perhaps explain certain things.
Also, bits of history that are vague and fragmented factoids to us where once rich and complex to past civilizations. So maybe my useless knowledge of Greek and Nordic mythology would be a lost art in... Whatever century cryonics aims towards?
I have a relative who is in the process of dying of complications from cancer. He's in his late 70s and, due to prior health problems, he's been very close to death before but has survived to live on many more years. He is so close to and keyed into his family that, though he would certainly want to continue to be with them, I can't imagine him ever wanting a future that didn't have his beloved wife, children, grandchildren or step-grandchildren in it. The possible future promised by cryonics seems intolerably lonely to me. One would wake up among strangers only to find oneself to be an anachronism.
I love you for this video
thank you thank you thank you