NEW! Frankford Arsenal Intellidropper: Unboxing, Setup, Overview
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HERE IT IS! The Frankford Arsenal Intellidropper video! This new powder dispenser has some unique new features, including proprietary charging performance algorithms (via a "powder calibratio"n routine) as well as a connected mobile app!
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Gavin seems to be one of the few, knowledgeable, reloading TH-camrs that is still producing current content! We appreciate you bro! Keep up the good work!
basically just him and johnny as of late
@@j0ey96 FortuneCookie45LC and ThorsAxe777 are as well, and several others are mostly posting on The Reloader's Network site now. You should check it out, a lot of good continent over there.
@@jonlockhart8436 where's the reloaded network?
@@HuntShootOffroad here is the URL if you are interested: thereloadersnetwork.com/
UR is a commercial platform now. Glad he is making money.
It would be interesting to see an automatic powder dispenser shootout like the incredible shootout you did with the presses
Check out Backfire. He did a comparison a short while ago
Received mine Yesterday40 Minute warm up then thru 25 24.5 Gr loads of VV140 with only ( 1 ) one high reading by 1/10. Verified with my RCBS beam scale and Lee Beam Scale. Both of which I trust explicitly. Then thru 25 loads of BE-86 at 4.1 with the same results! VERY HAPPY!
One of my reloading rules: never have more than one powder cannisters on the bench at one time.
Just getting into reloading and I’m enjoying your informational videos immensely. Appreciate You, when I get everything I need together I’m feeling more and more comfortable .
I finally picked up one of these........ Loving it! Thank you! Gavin.
Thank you for such a detailed video. I just received my intellidropper and your video was extremely helpful. the directions that came with the unit were very descriptive also, combined with your video set up and use was a piece of cake. By the way I love the unit so far. I haven't gotten to the app setup as of yet and only have thrown maybe a dozen loads but the first impression is a thumbs up.
Watching from Germany, originally a native Texan, cant wait to go back home and reload, i never knew how much i enjoyed it untill i left
I thought they still hunt over Europe??
Excellent, excellent and informative. Your videos are thoughtful, thorough and enjoyable. Thanks
Fantastic job Gavin. Watching your videos show a no BS review on exactly what to expect.
Glad it was helpful!
I have literally been waiting for this powder measure for over a year!
@@leveragelogic9008 Ah, but my money is destined for the just-released Walther Q5 Match classic - I will buy this once my hobby funds are back!
@Stephen Box I bought the F/A tumbler kit combo, what a good deal to have everything I needed to start cleaning brass for not much more than other brands charge just for the tumbler.
This seems like a very nice machine for a good price. Well if it holds up over time I can see this being a good investment. Thank you Gavin for your high quality videos
Great video looks like an fantastic scale thank you for sharing your knowledge I have learned a lot from your channel
i use Vihtavuori for years, especially n140 , n150 and n135 ... good stuff
Excellent video and very informative. The powder calibration program is a serious improvement over the competition and should be a real time saver. Thanks
i just bought one on sale a bass pro. got home and did a quick 50 rounds and works perfect
great video, thank you
You have one of these kotaboy32?
After using a small Franklin Arsenal scale and having big problems with that (as in massive drift to the point of being dangerous) I am not convinced that it’s worth saving $10 over the RCBS chargemaster lite. You even showed it said 6.4 grains then had to trickle up as it was .2 grains off. I really do appreciate your hard work doing the heavy lifting for us Gavin. Keep up the great work.
I am from Arizona, Vita is my powder for long range shooting. Extreemly consistent and unmatched accuarcy !
I really enjoy your videos. Since we are both "real" Engineers I can appreciate your need for patience and dedication to adherance to procedures. :-) I also noticed that you calibrated the unit without the cover for the pistol powder and I was going to ask about that in my comment, so I'm gld you explained that this was intentional. Great job and have a great week!
Thanks Robert!
Thank you for your video. You helping to me to be a more detailed reloader.
wow these look amazing ,just getting into reloading and love it.its cool to watch someone that makes things really easy to follow,down in NZ by the time stuff reaches us it is very expensive.these dont look to bad price wise down here.great vid and easy to follow
Glad I waited... this could be my first Powder Auto-Dispenser Scale. It's nice to know there's No Overcharge throughout your video.
Great video enjoy learning about all the new stuff.
Thank you very much for the great video. It will help me in my buying decision.
As to the powder: in all of my AR-style 308s the N140 powder delivers the best precision and it burns very clean. Greetings from Germany
Congrats - from Brazil !
Been using the n140 for over a year now very versatile powder I use it in 223 243 and 308.
In your 223 you can use it from 50gr all the way to 90gr projectiles. I am running 77gr sierra match kings at 2850fps with a 24.4gr charge it's very repeatable especially here in the uk when weather is varied from 0°c to 20°c
Thanks Gavin, just sold the old Hornady and got this.
I got one work's great thanks for the heads-up great video
Just to mention at 8:10 you talk about using the scale cover to prevent temp and air current from fans or AC units from interfering with the measurement. Personally the one thing I find I MUST have the cover on is simply to stop me from breathing on the unit. I can't tell you how many times I have found my reading fluctuate and I find that it isn't any air current from fans or anything. It is just me breathing on the unit while I am operating it. And the effects are HUGE
Take Sharpie and on the inside of the powder hopper cover write, "Check the Drain!"
GOOD CALL!!! :)
VV is the most consistent powder you can get according to the bench rest shooters we have over here. N150 is my favorite for 6,5x55 behind our Swedish Norma 130gr DL or Lapua 8g Silver Scenar. Both have given me podium placings on national target shootings and field shootings. :)
I noticed that you had static electricity keeping some of the powder sticking to the hopper. I've read that sometimes wrapping a dryer sheet around the hopper (and holding in place with a rubber band) will reduce the amount of static electricity there. I haven't had an occasion to try it yet myself, but I plan to. I just thought this tidbit of information might be helpful.
First, thank you Gavin for all your excellent videos.
I purchased an Intellidropper scale recently. I've seen comments on this scale drifting. This (at least mine) will begin to drift if left sitting without weighing a charge for more than about 10 minutes. Which IMHO, it shouldn't do. I haven't called Frankford yet, to ask them about it. But the scale automatically zeros before a charge is thrown. That being the case, charge weight accuracy and repeatability shouldn't be a concern. If using the scale by itself for some reason, it would need to be manually zeroed prior to weighing.
Another issue I first noticed in this video and believe I confirmed when I received my unit is, the built-in bubble level is nowhere near accurate on these scales. I thought it may have been the camera angle causing a distorted perception in the video. But now I don't think it is. Gavin's unit appears to be noticeably tilted to the right, from the camera's perspective. My unit tilts very obviously left from the same perspective, when the bubble is perfectly centered. I have a nice little Starrett pocket machinist's level that I used to level the unit properly. I wish I could post a pic of just how far off the bubble level is, when the unit is actually level. But approximately 1/3 of the bubble is actually outside of the line. If you have one of these units, I recommend that you do not rely on the bubble level. Just a couple of FYI comments.
Hello, I'm from the UK and have only used Viht. N140 and N150 to date. N140 works very well with .223" 69gr Sierra Matchking, .308 168gr Sierra Matchking and also 8mm Mauser 196gr - 200gr. The N150 is very well suited to 6.5Creedmoor Lapua Scenar 123gr. At the moment, Nov 2023, it is very difficult to get any which is causing enormous problems. Thank you for your videos, you've given me a wealth of knowledge. Best Regards
Watching from Italy, great videos 👌🏻
Welcome, thanks for tuning in from Italy! Makes me think of how I miss my Aprilia Tuono 1000 motorcycle so badly 😭😭😭
That definitely looks like a good unit and I like the speed in which it throws! I probably wouldve went with that one over my RCBS Charge Master 1500 although my RCBS is a great thrower also just expensive!!! Great video GT!
Thank you. I was leaning towards the RCBS Lite but not happy with the 9mm loading speed. I believe this could be the one. I have been using a Hornady Auto Charger now for 5 years and I love it. No problems at all until I got a power bump and there went my PCB. So I am willing to try something new.
hahaha, I have done the power drop from the drain a ton of times, big mess, I feel you. I sold my Chargemaster awhile ago and was in the market for a new one but you sold me. I have almost everything from Frankford so I guess this dispenser will be the next one. I think the powder cal feature is what it sold me
TAKE MY MONEY! love the app feature
Gravimetric analysis in college chemistry was a hated class by most. I loved it. Back then we had to use a manual scale to measure reaction products to one ten thousandths of a gram. It was in a secure room on granite table and yes it had glass doors protecting the measuring pan. Good times.
Bought this thing and read the reviews cause the most common things will happen. To major issues I had with mine in just 5 months were. 1) buttons on the screen just stopped working, this is in all the reviews. 2) the wifi never connected for me, and call Frankford, they couldn't even get it. They did send me a new one. And after about 7 months, they screen went out again. This is kept on my bench, inside a control indoor room. Hardly ever moved the actual scale. Ended up going with the chargemaster lite and so far it was been incredible. If you are doing precision loads, no matter what you will be confirming all your loads on a manual precision scale.
I just paid 149.00 for mine haven't been able to use it yet will be doing so tomorrow doing 41 mags and 556 can't wait to try it out!
Excellent video. Did you have a chance to weigh the charge on a manual scale to check if there was any deviation from the dispenser readout? Also, have you had a chance to test bullet run-out on the M-Press with better brass and dies than your initial overview? Still waiting on the edge of my seat for a precision load comparison of the M-Press, Forster, and MEC Marksman. Thank you so much for all your testing. It gives me the info I need to make an intelligent purchase.
...glad I found this...I'm fixin' to load .38/.357 for the first time - I've been loading (on & off) since I got home from Germany in 1974 (started on a Rockchucker - which I still have) - I've loaded 9mm & .45 ACP over the years I plan on building different loads for both .38 & 357 with different bullet weights/styles (and powders) and thought an auto measure would make load development easier & quicker than fiddling with standard powder measures (Lee auto disk & Dillon hopper)...I like what I see...once I determine which load (s) I like - I'll set my standard hopper for each on my progressive press...it would certainly make using a single stage much easier...
The Pact dispenser, which was first introduced in the late 90's used powder calibration. Mine is still fast and accurate after all these years. Electronic powder measures have added touch screens and app interfaces, but basically, very little has changed.
Just got an Intellidropper and it was drifting all over the place.
I think the stems on the bottom of the Scale Tray are binding up against the inside of the scale.
I took some One Shot lubricant, sprayed a little bit on the inside of the scale tray stems and brushed it around a bit.
That seemed to prevent the scale Tray stems from binding.
It zeroed almost instantly and worked perfectly.
It's worth a try for sure.
Next day:
It appears to me that the scale tray it's definitely the problem.
I sprayed some One Shot on the stems of the scale tray, plug the unit in did not wait for any warm up time, the machine zeroed out no problem, did the 50 grain and 100 grain check and started getting loads.
I double-checked on my RCBS balance scale and everything was dead on.
That's my take on the problem.
I reduced the friction on the stem of the scale tray
with a very light coating of One Shot or Ballistol oil.
I then dropped the scale tray into place with no pressure and it weighed out correctly to 118 grains.
I zeroed the scale, set the powder pan on the scale tray and the powder pan came in at 141.6 grains which I measured on my RCBS balance beam.
My opinion is the stem on the scale tray needs some form of lubrication so it slides without any friction.
I've just landed on this video, very late in the game. I have a Chargemaster 1500 and a Lyman Gen 6 and am always encountering issues like those commented on by some other viewers. I've looked in vain for a seriously consistent scale that doesn't cost a fortune, but that's the point: apart maybe from the legendary (no longer available) GemPro 250, the kind of precision and stability often looked for by the more obsessively precise reloaders among us (I'm one of them) is only available if you're prepared to pay four figure sums for what are essentially laboratory precision balance scales. And even then there are limitations because many do not measure in gn. So ultimately you do get what you pay for.
I recently purchased an automatic powder dispenser and my decision came down to the new Frankford Arsenal or the RCBS Chargemaster Lite. I like the features of saving load data and using a phone to control the FA, but have heard bad things about the scales and 'cheapness' of other FA products. Being close in price, I chose the RCBS. I keep all my load data in spread sheets anyway, and using the app to control it, just seems gimmicky. You are right there, with the powder drop. It's not like you are across the room trying to dispense powder.
The thing I do like about the FA powder dispenser, that I didnt know about, was the speed at which it dispenses. However, my RCBS has yet to throw an overcharge with over 300rds dispensed. The RCBS maybe a tad slower, but I am more confident in it.
Can't wait to get mine! By contrast my Dillon 550 powder measure wavers from not today thank you to, here's all the powder..
Christian from Sweden here. Vihtvauori is great, I use N150 for 6.5 Creedmoor. The Frankford Intellidropper looks like a more polished version of the Chargemaster Lite. I had a Chargemaster Lite that broke after only a few months of moderate use. The connection between the motor and the dispensing pipe broke down so I am replacing it with an Auto Trickler v2 instead.
Welcome! Glad to have you tuning in from Sweden! :)
Great review, Gavin. I always learn a lot from your videos
I`m from Denmark and normally use the Vita N150 powder when reloading, and are very satisfied with it`s preformance.
Stay dry!
Kind regards
Claus “Claude” S. Andersen
Welcome- glad to have you joining us from Denmark!
You very briefly showed cleaning the unit between powders.
This can be a significant amount of difference between brands to ensure everything is out.
A follow up video on that would be nice to show the level of detail required.
Its not brain surgery, your dealing with mostly smooth surfaces on the inside of the hopper, it pretty much flows out the bottom once u open it..... it literally takes me 45 secs to change powders in my Hornady auto dispenser, empty the hopper, blow the tube out { towards the hopper } empty hopper again......done
Gavin, I really appreciate your review of the Frankford Arsenal M-Press. I picked one up and it performs well for me. Based on what I see here, there may be some gotchas but the price of this powder measure with its features makes this a quick buy for me as well.
Good summary! Glad you like the M-Press!
Wipe the tube down with a little bounce. Great vids!!!!!
Use a used dryer sheet that you would use when drying your close and wipe the inside of your hopper, it will help eliminate that static and keep the powder from clinging to the acrylic cylinder.
Waxing the inside of it will do the trick too.
fair review, i use an RCBS lite and i have to sometimes baby it and trickle up with an RCBS manual trickler...
Never had that happen with mine.
I would have to see the charges it is throwing put on another known precision scale to verify that it can perform consistently.
Vita great powder 👍🏻👍🏻
Nice unit. Might have to get me one of these bad boys. Just wish they included a large bottle brush to get the remnant powder out of the hopper. That static cling seems to gold on to a bunch of powder.
I was waiting on this review because I wanted a powder dispenser but due to being impatient, and got my tax return, I got the rcbs chargemaster lite and love it. Never needs re-zeroed and never had any under or over charges. I also love the auto function on it and it's fairly quick as well. I wish I would have bought one years ago.
Mine goes over occasionally with Varget. It's around one every 50-100 rounds so I'm not really worried about it. Still a lot better than the original chargemasters I have seen in action.
I love my chargemaster lite. Accurate and fast.
You ever screw up and hit "zero" when it is in auto and the pan isn't under it? I was pretty unhappy with myself lol
@@duckslayer11000 Never had that happen yet. I'll try to be more aware of it in the future. Thanks
@@duckslayer11000 no.
Love the screen color. Never liked the Green Screen that some have.
VV N140 is great for 223. In my Tikka T3X Sporter, 25 grains, giving 3,000fps on QL, I get 1 hole accuracy @ 100yds!!! Amazing!
Sorry, I should have said, with a SMK 69gr projectile.
To verify if it's accurate you would need to use another scale. I use my Gem Pro 250 to check my RCBS lite and its accurate. Also RCBS starts to auto dispense once it stabilizes at zero.
Great video. I would like to see a comparison video of frankford and rcbs powder dispensers ? ? ?
I'm from the UK - Vihtavuori has a well-respected range of powders here, especially now there are new H&S regulations that effectively banned some powders from the USA. Also, It's really hard these days to get hold of some really popular powders like Varget because the manufacturer struggles to keep up with domestic demand, let alone producing significant export volume!
great review . question though, did you check your charge weight dispenced with another scale to check accuracy?
Thanks, no, but that's a great idea for these kinds of tests...
Gavin... by warming them up do you mean leaving them plugged in or just warm room?
Note to @gavintoobe. I will be reviewing the Intellidropper on my TH-cam channel too! As an electrical engineer, I can say that the load cell is extremely sensitive and relatively delicate. I would be very cautious in banging the side of the powder dispenser to get the powder to empty out! Great video nonetheless! If you notice that your pan weighs 129.0gr. However, when you were loading the pistol powder, the pan's weight was drifting up to 129.3gr. I always double check the weights against a 2nd scale which is my Ohaus 10-10 balance beam scale.
This looks like it may be a very precise and reliable unit from, unlike the sample in the FA trimmer you recently had trouble with.
Great thorough review, Gavin. You made a sale since I was on the fence between RCBS and Hornady and this seems much faster and quieter than either of them.
Hank I would still get the rcbs chargemaster. It has worked great for me over the past year and a half. No need for the machine to learn the powder. It charges any of them just fine. Frankford stuff looks great at first but doesn’t last.
@@Jon-rn8sl The old one or the RCBS Chargemaster Lite ?
@@Jon-rn8sl I HAVE SPOKEN TO A LOCAL RELOADING STORE OWNER AND HE SAID THE RCBS IS THE WAY TO GO.
This seems like an ok scale if you are loading 20 rounds at a sitting and want super accuracy for power on the high end of rounds but a very slow method if you are reloading in bulk. Accurate scales will jump around as they are very sensitive. I am going to use a very sensitive baking scale in the upper mid cost range that measures in grains with unit conversion features to calibrate a mounted manual powder dispenser.
Hi from France, Vitha powders are really interesting, for old military calibres and .308, I use N150 ; for 30-30, 222R I use N133 .
I made this shot with 30-30 loaded with N133 : th-cam.com/video/NNWKV5qg4r0/w-d-xo.html
I use N133 for 6ppc very very very consistent powder
Thanks guys for the info in Vihta!
Can you do a complete comparison between the main choices when buying a scale of this type. Maybe a scale shootout like you did the reloading press shootout. I would like to get one of these soon. Thanks and keep up the good work
Your like Batman! You always have the best toys!
That powder measure has a lot of features I like it the thing is how well is built for the long haul because my hornady lnl powder measure went to the trash because it stopped working and hornady didn’t do anything for it it’s a shame great review
Can you tell me the cleanup procedure for after you are done with a reloading session. What do you do with the bits of leftover powder in the unit?
If you epoxy a wing nut to the open/close valve, it becomes very easy to use.
Have found static is a problem with the draft shield on my RCBS powder dropper. I go without the cover. Tried dryer sheets with some improvement. RCBS seems to have a standby mode when switched off but plugged in so it seems to stay 'warmed up' and is ready for use when switched on.
Gavin could you please review how to connect Bluetooth ?
Thank you for doing this review. So which is better. This one or the RCBS lite?
This seems to be very similar to the RCBS chargemaster lite, but the app seems gimmicky to me. I have the RCBS and it doesn't zero drift as much.
I have one of these and have had major issues with scale creeping. I have allowed it to warm up from 10 minutes to 10 hours. I have left it go and it keeps adding.1 every few minutes. Looks like he is having the same issue but maybe doesn’t want to call it out
Gavin..does that have auto start for the next charge? Can you slow the start speed down for a few seconds to prevent splash over?
I'd like to see a series of the loads thrown by the Intellidropper weighed on a supper accurate scale to see how consistent they are. I've been looking hard at scales recently and I'm finding the strain gauge type scales can drift a lot, especially the little battery ones, they'll drive you nuts trying to use them. Better quality ones do work well. I have a "lab" scale by Vevor ($116.99 on Amazon), while it is a strain gauge unit, after 30-45 minutes of warm up, it is consistent to 1/100th of a grain (0.01). The best you can get is an "analytical" lab balance that uses an electromagnet to measure the resistance to the load. They are much more precise and accurate...but they are incredibly expensive...usually thousands of dollars.
I like the idea of an automated dropper that is quick to get to a given point then using the Dandy vibrating trickler clone I made to get things as precise as possible on my lab scale. Still, if an auto dropper can be very precise, then that would save time and steps, so I'd be curious to see the consistency of the Intellidropper on a more consistent and accurate scale as a comparison.
I didn't like the way the scales would drift and needed re-zeroing after dumping your charges. Other than that it seems like a good unit. If I had to say which was a better performing product based on you Frankford Arsenal reviews I liked the Coaxial Press. Thanks again for your content. Really appreciate the product reviews.
N560 and N570 seem impossible to find these days. I have all but given up on VV powder since it can't be found anywhere in my area. I have heard it is pretty temperature stable, but have also heard reports of it being very temp sensitive. Any feedback on the temp sensitivity?
I mainly just stick to hodgdon extreme powders these days.
that powerd is about the only thing found in our stores, use 340 for 38sp and 357
i am wiewing from norway, love your videos :)
FA are really going all out going after all the big guns of the reloading world (RCBS Chargemaster, Forster CoAx etc)
Can you use these for black powder?
I have the Hornady model, I think that like this one it can be used for standard reloading. But if you're looking for the best accuracy, a good investment is to buy a high precision scale (0.001g) for the same price.
Hi, I bought this on your recommendation plus i got 20% off. Having problems with hooking up the app to the unit. Called 1800 number but still wont come together. Unit is a bit bulky, but the price is right, very sensitive, but also very accurate and quick!
Gavin have you ever noticed when a phone or iwatch is near the scale they start to get a bit finicky? My Hornady digital scale will tend to bounce around .2, .1 then zero. Idk if it’s phone waves(not sure if that’s real) creating but when I remove any cellular device or put it a good distance away I get much better results. Just wondering if you’ve had the same results
Do you have to push load every time. I like the auto load feature on my hornady
It has an Autoload setting
Did you have any problems levelling the unit??
Great video. Added to my list of "needs". Still not sure though what benefit the mobile app serves. You have to be standing there to take the powder load so I just don't see why you couldn't just use the screen on the dropper itself. I guess maybe it does help with reducing vibrations and movement but it still seems like more of a solution to a problem that doesn't exist.
Edit: I guess storing your loads is a nice feature for the mobile app so that does give it a bit of purpose.
Very sensitive. Good thing! This is a amazing scale. Sure beats the Hornady hand trickler. The cover on my scale must have had some static to it out of the box. When I placed it over the tray it would go -.1 or -.2. When I removed it would go back to 0.0. Lol.
Either way good enough for sub 3/4 moa groups and standard deviation of 6 out of a 20” AR10 - 308 win. And 7 out of 22” rem 700 - 308 win.
VV N340 is excellent for 9x19 loads as long as you don't try to do weak loads with it. Also VV is very small variations between batches, I have never noticed any difference what so ever between different batches of N340, and also said to be very consistent in the rifle powders.
Does the app store the "powder calibration" if you use it to control the dispenser, or do you have to repeat the calibration every time you use the device? If it doesn't store the info, then all it does is save you from entering the grain amount. Also, does using the "powder calibration" seem to speed up the time or the accuracy of the charge or both?
how well does it work with extruded powder
I love Vita powder