Supertrickler Vs. Autotrickler: The Ultimate Scale Shootout!
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I've had a V4 for about a year and it is so much better than the RCBS Chargemaster Pro. I often load the same type of "coffee" as you were using here and when I calibrate the scales before dispensing a new brand of coffee, I find very few over charges (maybe 2-3 in a 50 round batch). Also, if a charge goes over weight, I just dump like 1 or less grains back into the hopper, put the cup on the scales and it loads the final grain much faster than if you dump the entire charge. The app works well and is easy to adjust up or down 1, 0.10 or 0.010 grains, etc. i have not used the Super trickler, but I don't think there is big advantage over the V4. It seems the Super trickler is a bit more high tech, but less easy to use for over charges, spills and loading/changing powder. Keep up the good work.
I’ve run both extensively, the ST has massive problems. The V4 works well and is easy to tune, gotta use the buffer on the apps new update. If you had that many overthrows you didn’t tune correctly
curious what problems did you encounter with the ST? I'm considering purchasing one of them.
Best coffee trickler comparison video ever.
Wow, thanks!
I was previously using the Lyman Gen 6 dispenser but now have the supertrickler. I have only loaded with it 4 times. When it arrived I set it up quickly, upgraded the Firmware to 2.0 and loaded 100 rounds of 300 PRC using H1000. It did a nice job and learned to powder quickly. Next I used it with CFE 223 for some 224 Valkyrie. It did well again but CFE223 was very messy and required a lot of cleanup throughout the loading process. Then I updated the Firmware to 2.3 and loaded 20 rounds 2x about 2 days apart. It was a bit of a nightmare and I think I will downgrade back to 2.0 (unless they have sorted out 2.3). Bottom line when it works I love it. If you don't plan to be an enthusiast you may not like this one. But for me I think I will eventually come to love it.
I just used my v4 an hour ago. I had 2 overcharges out of 80. And it's very quick... plus I use 2 cups. There is no downtime. I don't see how the ST can help me in any way over the AT v4.
2 cups is definitely a power move! Super has some future upgrade paths that Im after. But hell we are so spoilt for already owning these
@@IMPACTSHOOTING If you want to be spoiled, run 2 x ATV3s w/ the Ingenuity trickler. I’m charging a case every 5-6 seconds. In 16 minutes I’d be through with 175. Can drop powder for 250 rounds for a 2-day in under 25 minutes.
Thanks for the vid. I'm liking my Super Trickler. I think it's probably the best option out there right now at least for my preferences. The interface is awesome and I love the big touchscreen. I do still feel like powder throwing is the slowest part of my process, so I'm considering getting a second one.
Two cups might be a option? Should be a big speed bump for minimal spend? Im going to try adding a second cup soon
I have both i find i use the V4 for small lots eg load development. And when im changing powders often . Otherwise the supertrickler for bulk lots ( I do have more coffee spills with the supertrickler )
Just wait till you get used to the supertrickler gen2. When you start adjusting the pulse rate and bulk charge speed. You will also not only speed up but your accuracy jumps way higher. Good luck
This to me is a Chevy vs. Ford thing. You’ll always have guys favoring the Chevy over Ford. I don’t get the obsession with speed over accuracy with these units. I have the V4 as the Supertrickler was not released yet when I purchased. Properly calibrated and tuned, with a somewhat courser ground of “coffee”, I get nearly 96% accuracy with average times of 10-11 seconds per charge. Our time is valuable, yes, but I will take accuracy over shear speed every time, just as I will take accuracy over speed at the “coffee” range. Either of these two units are in a different world from the Chargemaster.
Forgot to say, I’m a Ford guy…😅
Piet using black rifle coffee😉 in his 6.5 CRM-Cups. Nice joyce sir 👍 100 coffees 🤔 wow 😊
Both are great investments!
Still running the V3. The only time Ive ever had an issue with it was when load long stick stuff like Retumbo with it maybe cutting kernals.
Ill stick with it for now, its served me well, and if I ever would sell it, it would be gone in a heartbeat for what I paid for it.
I've had the V4 for a year and after calibrating, rarely have overcharges. I'm not in any hurry to load my rounds so saving a minute or 2 doesn't make me want to switch tricklers.
Yeah very close between the two, I like what the supertrickler team has planned for the future. I load a lot, loaded over 700 rounds last week alone 🥹
I have both , just got super trickler , I load only long coffe grounds . So far I say a well dialled in v4 has less overthrows but is significantly slower. With v4 I wait on scales every round , super trickler I don’t.
For econamy of time you should be seating bullets as the powder is thrown. Both systems will have a charge ready by the time you're ready and you wont spend a second of your time watching powder fall.
I see you get there near the end.
For removing powder from the v4 the powder tube can be removed and used to catch the powder out the back in about 3 seconds. Then just tap the app to spin both tubes and it's clean. I don't have the ST but it's hard to imagine a faster system to switch powders on than the v4.
I have the V4 and it is quite accurate with the powders that I load. One timesaving trick is to buy a cheap tweezer with a sharp tapered tip.
If the V4 overthrows, just use the tweezer to pull out a grain and put it back in the hopper. Takes maybe 3 seconds. There is no need to dump and dispense again.
how often does it overthrow for you?
@@Teolulz I would say maybe one out of every 10 loads. It handles most powders quite well. The only challenge is N570 because it's a huge stick powder. For this issue, I just use a round washer under the rear of the unit to tilt it forward a very slight bit to help it dispense consistently.
the super at 16:01 vs the V4 at 17: something ... the V4 is faster or damn near it when you cut out the over throws, yes they suck but ... at the end of the day i think the V4 is easier to use all in all and it just as fast
Great vid I have a chargemaster lite but if I had the money then the supertrickler is where I’d spend it
I run a pair of chargemasters, if I get them to split evenly, its pretty much grab and pour, non-stop. Eventually I'll step up, though, those new ones are slick.
Great comparison Pete . I have the V-3 and very happy with it . I don’t have the same over flow percentage as you but I may be running it slower. I will stick with my V-3 as this sport is becoming very expensive and I have know reason to up grade .Components are my main focus .Keep up the great work
You need to go through your auto trickler set up and calibration, I’m lucky to have anymore than 3/50 over throws loading any powders and have custom performance settings written down. I did find the app upgrade issued a month or so ago confusing to begin with.
Ne’er used a.super trickler, it looks good but I’m unsure of the vertical touch screen….
The next major advancement in electronic powder handling is automatic case filling and checking…….then a progressive press model…..
Both are excellent, I prefer the SuperTrickler for ease of use, neater, easy to drain out, great software updates.
Totally agree!
I've had my super trickler for about half a year now.. super fast and easy to swap between powders. Best feature is the ladder function. Have fun!
I’m using the super trickler, very happy. Have not used a v4
IMO V3 w/ingenuity precision trickler is the best setup out there
Love my supertrickler.
Great comparison. And beautiful daytona.
Thank you Sir! She is my fav by far!
Have been leaning towards SuperTrickler with Bold Black Rifle Coffee
Great video
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Pieter, we don't "throw" coffee ... we pour - or better yet - we trickle. :) I'm just being a doos. ;) Love the comparison video.
I love this coffee for the Creed. Works well.
I have the charge master and the Super Trickler and I would say the trickler is my go to.
If you are in South Africa, where can I purchase the super trickler
Man you have some fancy Coffee machines!!! 😂😂
Nice "expresso" machine...!!!😉👌
😂😂😂
V3 with the ingenuity precision trickler will blow both of them away.
What kind of coffee was that? I have the N-555 kind. Works fast, but I think I am making my coffee too strong if I use as much coffee as you?
Set up the V4 better. your excess throws are way above what it normal.
Great, I was totally attracted to the project from Rex and made an early order. I am happy with it. 😊
Been using the chargemaster link and it is ok. not nearly as precise as i was hoping for, so i have to grind light and hand grind the rest. which adds to the total time, and when time is $ sometimes its best to dish out the cash for the better machine that you can just throw and go. Definitely been looking at the super trickler, might pick one up soon.
after the st is out a few years ill prob buy one but i want all the bugs worked out. until then ill keep using my v3
I still only have my Chargemaster Coffee grinder….may be looking into that Supertrickler for my mornings when I gotta move fast😂
Nice review and demo. BTW Where did you get that loading block?
That's some spicy coffee!
Good Evening.I have a question for you, Is it possible to mount the Gen 2 SUPERTRICKLER on the AND FX 300 i scale? Greetings,Mauro
Nothing like Espresso fine ground late at night
Have you done the app update on the V4 yet?
Daytona panda? Nice 👍
Coffee? JC! Whatever... You forgot the water....😂
143gr eldx with 42.5grains shoots nice from my rifle.
So, WHICH one did you end up keeping?
Could you run this with a stick coffee too? That might change the times? I'm looking to upgrade from a chargemaster.
This will love stick coffee, had some today!
The main question, how accurate are they really, I check my loads on a 3 decimal place lab balance. My V 4 is 0.02 out sometimes, that maybe the powder, ADI AR 2208 and. AR 2206H , that is the kernel size. Also the v4. Has it been calibrated for the”coffee grounds “ 20 overthrows ??
The reality is that I cant outshoot a 0.05 difference in charge
16 secants is very slow for the super trickler . You can cut that in half with very little fiddling
At 8:12 I think you mean minutes, not seconds.
But we all know ya hate the v4. Thoughts on v3 vs ?
I love my Supertrickler!! I went straight from the charge master to the Supertrickler and couldn't be happier. I always thought the auto trickler was a bit clunky.
I googled the two and the supertrickler 1600 dollars and the other one V4 500 dollars, is this correct?
how bout powder changing ?
Hey where can I pick one up?
So now that you have a hundred cases charged you still have to seat the the bullets. Just think how much faster it would be if you did that while waiting for the next charge to throw...
Obviously I would usually do that. I didn't want to introduce me hanging up while seating to influence the result, the true test which was seeing which scale is faster.
I just tried to visit the shop/store, it seams to be down or not accessible to me all I see is work and home. Where is the shop/store at?
I don't have either, but when I purchase one it will be the super trickler. It allows you to save load data from a bunch of different cartridges. In other words its way more diverse. You can switch from .223 to whatever with just a couple of buttons. If you have just one charge that you are doing, say like an F Class guy--- then either would work. For me though I shoot lots of different things. Overall after researching I am committed to the Super Trickler.
The only benefit I can see is if the super trickler saves the powder calibration to powder type, even then I think I’d still calibrate before a session. As for the charge makes no difference if I had to search for a cartridge in a menu or tap in the charge from my load data app or book.
@@rvrski1 Yes, it does that. The Super Trickler can be tuned however you like. You can make it faster but with slightly less accuracy, or a little bit slower and right on every time. You can set the powder charge and all that PER POWDER and save it as a preset, including the desired speed setting. The AI function will run through until it gets things exactly right. In other words it's sort of 'self calibrating' according to the powder type and user preferences. In short, once you have the Super Trickler set for a given powder and charge and so forth it eliminates the need to 're-calibrate' before every session. I think you have to let it run for a while to allow it to get it's bearings with a specific setup, but once you do that one time you never have to mess with that part again (for that specific charge), and it's saved to memory and can be recalled at any time. With the V4 or whatever you have to calibrate every time you want to switch something, or at least that's my understanding.
Pete did a good test, but he didn't even scratch on why these are different. Based on the test in the video it won't matter very much at all which one you use. There are other tests and settings though that set these two machines apart. Based on other stuff they are very different.
@@rvrski1 If I am not mistaken the Super Trickler has an on board database of all current powders. It is of course expandable for new powders as well. You can pick from the list and fine tune your speed and whatnot and save it to be recalled any time by a few button pushes.
@@tyler6147 From your description of the ST the V4 behaves the same way, the exception being the saving of the cartridge, calibration setup and charge weight to a file.
Auto calibration of the V4 takes around 30-40 seconds~ and primes the tubes at the same time. Entering a manual calibration takes about the same time but the tubes won’t be charged (another 10 seconds~).
Tapping in a charge weight takes less than 2 seconds.
Even if the V4 app had a load recording function I wouldn’t bother with it as most of us record total load and shooting specs in either proprietary software or book form.
Personally I don’t see any major advantages over a V4 if they’re both set up for optimal performance.
As I mentioned in my post, the next quantum leap will be automated case charging and checking and then a progressive press model turning a small hand loading space into ammo inc…..
@Impactshooting Hey there fellow South African. Im looking to get that supertrickler iv been to their website and there are 2 of them exactly same model number and stuff different prices. Can i get some help on whats the difference lol
Have you sold one of them?
Thats a lot of espresso.
#Super Trickler
I think the supertrickler is gonna be the fastest
16.01 seconds?
Minutes for 50
Mate the whole point of having a Daytona is so you can time things, not your bloody phone 😂
Gebruik altwee skaale op dieselfde tyd.
And I thought I was special because i just got a chargemaster link lol
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I average about 6-8 secants loads with my super trickler . Sold my v4 and haven’t looked back . The super trickler destroyed the v4
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