Why are there new clothing restrictions in French classrooms? | Inside Story
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- A new school year in France with a new ban on what the government deems 'religious' clothing.
Abayas and khamis are barred from state classrooms.
France's education minister says students wearing them to school won't be allowed into classes, but will instead be sent for a discussion on their choice of clothing.
Why is the ban so contentious and what's behind it?
Presenter: Folly Bah Thibault
Guests:
Loubna Reguig, National President of the Muslim Students of France
Jacques Reland, Senior Research Fellow at The Global Policy Institute, in Saint-Malo.
Rainbow Murray, Professor of Politics at Queen Mary University of London.
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Respect the laws of a secular European country. Go live in a middle Eastern country if these clothing choices are so important to you.
So shouldn’t women be able to wear whatever they want?
@@pumpum5862go to a Muslim country and ask that same question!? Go to the rich Middle East countries where they take millions of migrants from educated doctors and engineers to the most menial jobs like cleaning, etc. What religious rights you think they have, do they get right to stay forever and vote or bring their families? Right to keep their traditions and costumes? Of course not, women have to cover their heads, can't celebrate their religion in the open and when the job ends they must return home, even if there is war at home. We give them everything they refuse to give to us. No wonder they think we are stupid and weak.
@@pumpum5862
If the rule is, no religious clothing, then the rule applies to all. In your private time, wear what you want.
This …. Or let forefingers wear bikni in 🕋 and saudi streets …
@@deekang6244abaya is not religius clothing, Even the word abaya is not in the Koran. It's just that these clothes can cover the body. There are many types of clothing that can cover the body, kimono, robes, jackets, etc. Are you going to ban clothes This too ?
let's bring the uniform in french schools : all the same, none different.
acceptance of others, no religious distinction, no divisions between pupils and students.
You can put a coat of paint over the problem but it still remains.
They will see you forever as an oppressor and an infidel.
Someone who is actively discriminating against them for trying to secularize them, by in essence trying to steal their soul.
They're just going to keep out breeding you then make you a Islamic theocracy.
But you'll be too weak to stop it because the French State hates its own native people more than it even hates theocracy.
Not letting Muslim girls wearing hijab isn’t acceptance
They are everywhere special so they never going to follow any rule
yes!
I just think it is a way to forget about the real problems in French school. There are far more important issues in French school : the lack of teacher, high numbers of pupils by classrooms, teachers' salaries not increase as they should be, schools in needs of repair but no what is the most important problem is the abbaya which it is in fact worn by a minority.
You want to dress that way, you can move to in 51 other muslim countries. Please relocate to one of those countries and live in peace. We don't want you here. Don't force yourself on us.
The Problem: too much inmigration
@@demian2658 From the wrong countries !
And you have forgotten the violence, the murder against the teachers, rapping and a high level of functional illiteracy from the same people who are more interested by a veil than to become a scholar. As result the teachers move from far left to far right wing.
One issue does not exclude others. One might ask, if there are more important issues, then why make this small issue such a priority?
She speaks for discrimination - What happens with christians in Afganistan, Syria and Iraq ??????
Half of Syria is Christian 😹
They must comply to local customs. As they have.
They have to be converted to islam so they can live third class life…
I am a non Christian who went to Christian school and wore the school uniform as required. Don't like the rules, pick another school. No westerner is going to a Muslim country and telling their women to wear skirts. Don't like the rules, pick a different school or a different country.
It perplexes me on how men once carried in the womb of women and nuterd into adulthood without discrimation can turn round and police every single atom of a woman's life.When did any woman ever condition what a man should wear?
What they should do is ban men’s suits and ties.
nurtured, discrimination,
same as f* book tells women what to wear and men enforce it thru moral police you dingus. if you dont like it get out of the west. our house our rules.
We follow the Quran. I, as a man am either obliged to pray 5 times or leave the religion. No one is forcing me. I pray 5 times a day with ease and I am happy doing so. Women on the other hand, are obliged aside from prayers, to cover. So they willingly choose that. No one is forcing them. Lol. But when you learn Islam from youtube… this happens.
@@ballistic2513if you tie a newborn cattle to a place, after few years, the cattle will remain there even if it is not tied. This is the problem with any religion, Islam is the worst in this matter. Why force, what if I don’t pray 5 times, I don’t understand religion. Support France idea of separating church from state. Student shouldn’t be allowed to put their religious markers inside a classroom, no matter which religion it is. Just don’t preach they are wearing these clothes by choice, a newborn was conditioned to wear that, that’s it. Religion is / was and will always be idiotic and nonsensical.
Maybe we could go back to mandatory school uniforms… that’d solve this problem 😂
I couldn't agree more
We have school uniforms in Australia, and they work fine.
What problem? France racism?
@@TheYayefatouif it's not your country of origin and they want their school to be religion free and neutral and if you can't cope then maybe you should go back to your country of origin and solve your own problems so that you won't have to flee your country of origin,, but that's just my humble opinion
@@jonathanbelanger6574
So you just assumed that everyone who opposed this idea was a foreigner (immigrant, refugee, you name it). Did you really just assume that..! Don't you think that there would even be French people (white French people, as you like to call them) who would oppose the idea of imposing or rejecting a certain dress code on people? Don't you think this will affect the French in general? Now we see how the issue is mainly ethnic clashes (as you thought only immigrants would be affected by this topic). The funny thing is that you don't seem to know that the French Minister of Culture is of immigrant origins, Tunisian origins.
If she insists it's not a religious dress then what are they worried about?
They want to live in secular states but don't like secular laws. Then go live in Pakistan....France have a right to determine what goes on in their schools.
In Iran what happens to women who don't wear the hijab? What happened to Mahsa Amini. Really funny when I hear them talk about tolerance
They go to Saudi Arabia
They are the same like the Iran government. They are playing with women right, some of the forcing women to wear hijab other force them to take it off. Both both are radikal, and using force .
Then all iranian who dont like the hijab law in their country should move to europe right?
@@jnampijinpa8813
The France Muslim have to move to Islamic countries?
That's right... 😂
Trying to figure out why wearing modest clothes is a bad thing
Modest???🤣🤣🤣🤣
They feel threatened cuz more women now understand that modesty is actually empowering
This is a crazy world we're living in apparently. Everything is topsy turvy. Nothing makes sense.
Destroy the female cultural values, and you destroy the culture, family and its men.
God bless you. Salaam from belgium.
nobody questions, Saudi Arabia choices of clothing for women VISITING their country, not even living there, try to speak out your demands there, for wearing whatever you want, like short shorts, of course it wont happen, it wont even be considered, you will be deported (if lucky) in the best case scenario, given life prison or publicly executed! Nobody seems to be bothered about that ?
yeah but France was okay with everybody wearing whatever up until now, so when it suddenly decides to impose rules it becomes discriminatory at a mass level (because people who study in schools didn't come in for a short visit, these are the people who have been living here for some time already)
@@useradorable Maybe that's because they're recognizing the negative effects of their policies? Different cultures are not a problem if the specific populations are small enough to be irrelevant. If those populations grow, however, they start to impact the entire nation. Those people could create a separate society. Assimilation is an attempt at preventing that.
I googled abaya. It doesn’t seem to me religious. As long as the face is not hidden, I see no problem. Some modern ones are even nice.
It isn't. They're just full of it.
If you believe google's interpretation of the abaya you are totally wrong. Have lived in the Middle East although was born in India and chose to settle in the U.K. The back abaya is hoisted and mandatory in many Muslim countries because black loose abaya is not transparent nd does not show a women's figure. The headscarf is also a religious decree and targets women like in Iran and Afghanistan. If Al Jazeera is so concerned for freedom and rights, allow your people to not wear these religious garbs without impunity. Why doe Qatar not intervene in Afghanistan where women are used as breeding machines. This is the trouble with Islam nd the women just follow like sheep. But they all chose to live in the West as political and economic asylum seekers
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Look at the outrage in the Muslim community
It really shows if it's religious or not
Don't give dumb excuses
you are insulting us when u say we follow like sheep when it is a conviction .plus many are born here
I don't understand the French obsession with what women and girls want to wear. The most important thing is for the girls to attend school and get an education isn't it ? I'm Australian and I find it all quite bizarre.
It's because your negative IQ does not allow you to study French history, the separation of church and state and the values put in place by the "lumière" philosophers.
Could French girls go to school with no abaya?
What a out the obsession of some men who beat women whi dint cover their face? Or what about men who want women to show more and more?
@@rvkarvka6583 Your comparison is fallacious. In muslim countries, men beat women who do not cover their face, but in non-muslim countries, it is the women that want to show more and more because they have freedom.
They measure girl skirts to see if it's short enough, if boys can touch under then its good, otherwise, go back home or go back to your country we dont need u 😂
I like how the French guy keeps equating "equality" with discrimination!
I think it's simple the French government does not like the Islamic influence that they consistently seeing in their streets
No, it is just hypocrisy. I m saying it as a french. They are just islamophobic and intolerant with any belief.
But they get all their wealth from Countries that they colonized and some are Muslim majority and they are not even willing to leave those Countries or revisit their Colonial Economic ties with them . Oops 😂
Why would they not like it? There aren't many drawbacks
Of course. Islam is flourishing.
The very people that France colonized are going to take over France and it is funny how old white men make rules.
France, your identity is changing. Embrace it.
Problem. What if a Christian woman wants to wear a hijab/scarf for non-religious purposes?
My Christian mother always wore a scarf similar to the hijab everyday when she was younger.
Which Country?
So, did she wear a scarf indoors. Would she get an ID with her scarf on?
My Catholic mother and grandmother also used to wear head scarves, and my granny wore a mourning veil to church (she took being a widow very seriously).
Head scarves were simply the fashion at one point, and a quick way to cover up a messy head of hair in my mum's case.
France is going too far with this IMO.
This is utter nonsense. My family in India were very Catholic and one of my grandmother or great grandmothers wore anything apart from church services. These comments in defence of the scarf and abaya are from Muslim bots.
@@agnescraig2912 Wrong .
I am so grateful I have never been to France, never want to go to France and never probably never will go to France.
Thank you .. on less .. I hope all of your brothers and sisters think same … France will be better place
What harm are these girls causing by wearing their culture/religion?
School is meant to unify people unite kids under 1 identity of secularism and modesty. This is meant to create an environment where everyone can express his intellectual abilities and focus on developing skills. When everyone starts dressing differently, behaving differently, start forming groups because of economic, religious, ethnic differences it breaks everything
That's a lot of assumptions that are illogical and baseless!
Diversity that reflects real society outside of school walls teaches real life not acting like one robotic body!
No one lost out because others were different to them in school just by dress! What nonsense!
because i dont want a religion being impose on me, specially in the west where we have separetion of church and entities.
@@niculaelaurentiu1201you have a totalitarian mindset.
@@martinmatino6253 Yes, I'm totalitarian when it comes to education and people's right to study
In few years, they will ban the Abaya in “public” spaces. Remember this comment.
That's even better 😉
Excellent! let it stay in Muslim countries where it belongs and comes from.
I cannot wait for that to happen.
What about they move to a muslim country? Wouldn't it solve the "problem"?
if i go to muslim countries i m obligated to cover my self, but if another country tell u what to wear in that country u get mad, but u do the same in your country.
That is actually not true you don’t need to wear heard scarfs but yes modesty is important for men and women
Exactly
Indian?
ok so which country i can walk in any street with my hair not covered and a basic t shirt?@@warfaali
No you're not. Travel first before you comment.
Each country has its country laws..
Unfortunately no laws apply to one particular religion…
If I were a young woman in a French school I would deliberately wear a long skirt/dress. I am not religious just a bit anarchic.
Until they start forcing you to wear 🧕…
You should know goes thus muslim men or even women view non Muslim women who don't dress like them I also like modest clothing but not the Muslim modesty
The simplest question: why did these Muslim men and women chose to leave their problematic countries to come to France? Had they had freedom and embraced freedom as much, if they remained in their countries? Access to modern education is one thing, especially for the Muslim women. Why do they have to complain about the countries where they accommodated them? Honestly, don't make the rest of the world repeat the rhetoric: if you don't like it, please go back to where you came from. Suicide bombs can be hidden in abaya. It had happened in the past. No guarantee it will never happen again under the current volatile situation. ISIS and other Islam based terrorist organisations are still alive and rife. Don't kid us and yourselves.
japanese use to do kamikaze, should we ban them from plane?
Reflection of dirty thinking.
Be generous.
I thought Europe pride themselves as free country, it turned out false after all.
Exactyl! When we visit muslim countries we are forced to wrap ourselves and we don't complain, we adjust, and respect their rules as we are in their country. But how come when they are in our country they don't know how to respect our rules? That's not fair!
As long as someone's face is visible (for security reasons) I say let people wear what they want. We just can't have people walking around with zero way of even knowing who they are at the very least someone's eyes can be used to identify them.
The banning of a long dress aka abaya just seems the worst kind of stupid. I am not Muslim and own a few because they are pretty.
It has to do nothing with freedom and choice?? What West has been promoting even if someone roaming in bikini 👙
In that case, we might aswell ban sunglasses tooo
The reason is france don't want any bias towards any students practicing a specific religion . Of course the dress is normal, however it's connected to Islam, the teachers/admin maybe unknowingly bias.
@jawab-e-shikwa5976 well I don't think people are allowed to wear bikinis to school. There are certain standards to dress specific events and places.
I’ve been to muslim countries like Malaysia, Indonesia, Tunisia, Turkey and Algeria. They perform better in freedom of clothing choice. And I think many muslim countries also have more freedom in choosing clothes like in the UAE, Egypt, Iraq, Kuwait, Jordan, Libya, Morocco etc. Maybe they’re not that free due to their norms. But at least they are not as oppresive as France. France is no longer a free country for religious freedom. Even Russia performs better
Yeeessss👍 I also wear modestly
I guess if you want to be very extremely religious choose such places to live rather than a place where secularism is valued than extremism
So Hitlers Ethnic cleansing but for Ideas. That's not extreme extreme.
You are confusing state-imposed atheism (as happened in the USSR and as happened in China) with secularism/laicism.
Germany, Italy and the UK are secular countries and none of them prohibit the display of crucifixes, abayas, hats, headdresses and more.
Who decides whether a garment is "religious" or not?
A headdress should not necessarily be considered to belong to a religion.
If a dress does not violate a state's good morals and/or dress code, you should not ban it.
Your state is a rogue state that preys on african countries and which, after having admitted hundreds of thousands of immigrants, is surprised that they do not want to assimilate your gallic-barbaric values and that they want to maintain their culture and values.
France is a chauvinistic rogue state
your comment is the definition of "extremism"
. . . wearing a long dress is extremism?
You think it is easy to move countries, to suddenly change like that?
perhaps it would help when the government isn't trying to discriminate against you
These clothes are cultural from Arabia these people are French citizens they should wear modern clothing
you clearly lack education
It's their country. In Iran, they literally killed a woman for not wearing a hijab.
Follow their laws or LEAVE!
They are for me the same like in the Iran government. They are playing with women right, some of the forcing women to wear hijab other force them to take it off. Both both are radikal, and using force .
In France they killed a 17 year boy because he has an Arabic face
Getting kids free of religious ideologies in their formative years, is incomprehensible for many it seems. A break from theatrics won't hurt anyone, it is healthy for young minds.
What I found ironic is how you use the word free while speaking about a law who restrict freedom 😂
So instead of them being indoctrinated by an ideology you don't agree with, you would rather indoctrinate them yourself with an ideology you agree with. Got it 👍🏼.
Ah yes, let's free them by dictating how they express themselves!
It is healthier for children if they grow up with religion than without religion.
This is called brainwashing
This hypocrisy baffles me at times. How can you talk about freedom if you are not free to wear long dress or cover your body. This is ridiculous. What fraternity are they talking about ? This is tyranny and not freedom. I hope the rest of the world wakes up about these hypocrites.
I would pack up and leave to an Arab country as protest. France is full of old white men as we heard, who wants to live there anyway, pffft
What will you say to this
Saudi Arabia Bans Abaya In Examination Halls, Asks Female Students To Wear School Uniforms
In 2018, it was announced that the abaya would no longer be legally enforced.
The Saudi Arabian government establishment has banned the "abaya" from the examination halls of the educational institutions, according to The National.
The Saudi Education and Training Evaluation Commission, a body in charge of approving educational and training systems, made the decision. The decision involved the Saudi Arabian Ministry of Education as well.
According to the administration, female students will no longer be allowed to wear the abaya during exams. They are now required to wear school uniforms in the exam rooms, which must also adhere to public decency norms.
Saudi Arabia is not a democracy! The people have no choice but to obey the royals or have their heads removed.@@danielolalekan5816
Abaya is not freedom, it's opression
@@danielolalekan5816Except the fact that countries like afghanistan, saudi arabia, qatar, iran, etc never claim they have freedom of expression, freedom of speech, etc.
France on the other hand always claim they have these "freedom" but apparently if you are a muslim woman, these freedom dont apply to you.
The fact those mad over this remain silent when Muslim countries enforce their own clothing laws ensures they will never be taken seriously.
Except the fact that countries like afghanistan, saudi arabia, qatar, iran, etc never claim they have freedom of expression, freedom of speech, etc.
France on the other hand always claim they have these "freedom" but apparently if you are a muslim woman, these freedom dont apply to you.
@@firdaus99031 exactly. The problem is their one dimensional view of the world through the lens of ideologies, in which theirs are the "correct and progressive" one where others are "wrong and backwards". Whenever they trample on the value they deemed "wrong/backwards" it's "freedom of expression", but when those they deemed lesser, trampled on their values, it's "hate crime"
Always amazed at the Muslim women in the West who never stand up for extremely oppressed women in Iran Afghanistan nd other Muslim countries. Doormat mothers to cavemen fathers as someone rightly commented
You cannot compare Britain with France in England ever one is free to live as they like 👍
In the UK they don’t have this issue school uniforms for everyone and that’s it
In England you have free will to put on your uniform in whatever order you like. Shirt first or trousers first, it's up to you. 😂
True that, no one complained about Borris' Hairdo.
EU Citizens need a Visa to get in the UK :-)@@NickTamaire
@@izidrewbut in the UK you can have a uniform including a scarf..in France ni scarf is never accepted at school.
She's got a point about sexual harassment, it's very common in France and no action is taken against it. Even non muslim girls cover up to avoid getting cursed or followed or just grabbed by foreign hands
Maybe should go to Afghanistan to get her education, then she could wear what she wants to school, oh wait! 🤔😂😂
@@hannaht2068 What exactly is your argument? France is actually imitating the authoritarian mentality of the country that mentioned. The fact that in Afganistán woman have it worst doesn't take the fact that in France they are also trying to control how woman dress and present themselves. Politicians should just stop obsessing with how women dress and let people choose, objectively there is nothing wrong with a woman wanting to put on more fabric or longer pieces of clothes. This is all nonsense.
@@hannaht2068 Well said, bravo! I totally agree. if they don't like France and its rules, why they are still living there?
@@NatalieB-km3cxBecause Europe snatched all the peace from Asian countries. So we are coming here in search of peace. But hence proved these countries have no peace at all. That's why they came to Afghanistan or Asia. 😅
@@hannaht2068 I can see you are French educated that's why low in IQ. Its not only in Afghanistan wear Islamic cloth 2 billion people on planet earth you creature.
"Noël, or Christmas Day, is celebrated on December 25 in France, as in most places across the world, and is always a public and bank holiday" this shows that the clothing restrictions in French classrooms is a Islamic religious targeting
“Secularism”
And so they should. The long term goal of Islam is world domination. I'm not happy about that.
If you want to live in a society where you can practice wearing your ninja dresses why not move to a Muslim country? There are over 50 of them.
France is a secular republic. Please move to Saudi Arabia but don't come to a country and expect to turn their country to where you came from.
Respect their laws.
Abaya is cultural dress ware. It has absolutely nothing to do with religion. This is a targeted attack on young Muslim women by their sick demented pedophiliac government, and if you agree with it you're a pedophile too.
@@MoeGewily If you are concerned about pdfiles...start with Islam. The religion promotes it.
"It was narrated from 'Aishah that the Messenger of Allah married her when she was six years old, and consummated the marriage with her when she was nine"Grade: Sahih (Darussalam) - Sunan an-Nasa'i 3255
Except the fact that countries like afghanistan, saudi arabia, qatar, iran, etc never claim they have freedom of expression, freedom of speech, etc.
France on the other hand always claim they have these "freedom" but apparently if you are a muslim woman, these freedom dont apply to you.
@@firdaus99031Except you are the first hipocryte that exactly show why this has to happen. Democracy is not anarchy If the majority of French want this law you must respect the majority vote. If you dont like democracy go to those countrys you speak about.
@@fabio24618 lol the majority has a say in France? Please. The majority of the French voters never even voted on this, so how can you say the majority must be respected when there's no official vote on the matter? And how can you say that in light of the recent reforms to the national pension system that the majority of French people were obviously against but were rammed through by Macron's government and then triggered massive protests across the country?
This is a simple issue, when you are in Rome, behave like the Romans. The Middle East, European women are not allowed to wear bikinis on the beach.
True that
Once in Australia, an Iraqi man demanded a secluded swimming area for the Abaya wearing Muslim women in the council swimming pool. He was rejected by the rhetoric "go back where you came from".
I think France is not a secular country if you compare with China , Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iran , this countrys give you best freedom direct kill you can enjoy your life in cloud
I think France is not a secular country if you compare with China , Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iran , this countrys give you best freedom direct kill you can enjoy your life in cloud
They are for me the same like in the Iran government. They are playing with women right, some of the forcing women to wear hijab other force them to take it off. Both both are radikal, and using force .
Abaya is an Arab dress, not a Muslim dress. In South Asia, increasingly, probably an effect of globalization, female students opt for it to save money on clothing. One can buy two or three abayas and that is enough for an entire year. If you are a student, buying fashionable clothing for the entire school year is a huge financial burden, even for a lot of female professionals who opt for abayas to save money. Another reason is avoidance of sexual harassment. To my great surprise, I once heard one of my male white Christian friend say that women who wear shorts or who dress up do so to get male attention. It is not surprising that women want to dress modestly for safety purposes.
Women wearing conservative dresses are also raped and all in fact rape and sexual harrasment are mostly in conservative countries where women cover up and it's highly unreported due to social stigmas
I heard that women wearing abayas were also raped if they had beautiful faces so a piece of clothes does not protect anybody from anything. Only morality matters.
If they don't want to dress the way the French dress and insist on their Middle Eastern clothes then they should just go back to the Middle East. There is already too much bending back for people who are citizens of a country. They have their own culture, they have their own customs. Why can't outsiders follow that culture and custom since they decided to live in their midsts anyway?
What happened to the maxim that "When in Rome do as the Romans do?"
Ih shut up! These people are french 2nd, 3rd, 4th generation!
Exatly what Islam does, if I go to an Islam country, I also do not want to be told what I should wear or not wear. If they respect our clothing we also respect their clothing.
Why are you complaining if you never went and never plan on going to Saudi Arabia or Iran??? This lame strawman argument is cheap, and pathetic especially since the west keeps flapping its herpes filled lips about its democracy and freedom of speech and religion values....😂 BS hypocrites shut up.
Literally no other country except Iran does that, now that Saudi Arabia relaxed its laws recently.
Ban Islam worldwide
Exactly …next time all people should walk in bikni in saudi and drink alcohol on street… freedom apply both way..
Could a Western girl wear whatever she wants to school in an Islamic country? NOOOO so we have to do like them. Defend our way of living. If they are not happy, they should change the country
If I wear miniskirt and crop tops in Saudi Arabia, anyone can kill me on the street.
If I survive, the Government will jail me.
They do….have you ever even been to an “Islamic country”
Even Muslim women are not controlled on what they wear in almost all Muslim countries. Travel and educate your self
@@zaintheexplainer4847bullshit look at Iran, Afghanistan
@@tasilua1051 your list was complete with 2 countries. Now please look up the meaning of a secular country. It is the governing of a country separated from any particular religion that allows the freedom of expression sans oppression. Basically secular France is no better than Afghanistan in the matters of oppression. With the bonus point for Afghanistan who never invaded half of Africa and committed unthinkable genocide causing millions of life’s lost. So don’t feel mad when people world wide don’t bleed for the random western visitor in the Middle East having to cover her bootie shorts.
The abaya is especially super cool, breezy and comfy in the summer. I'll wear it in France.
Good but not in government school
wear it in school too
When you don't have anything in...
does it come in pride colors?
ask your mother
@@eddosimonetti2314
Quite a topic, In South Africa clothing is not a problem, because there are school uniforms. The struggle there is different because black kids are kicked out of school for their hair, mainly dreadlocks. By kicked out I mean physically by male teachers, videos go viral for a week, the Department of Education publically warns the school then the circle continues.
You are still slave
💯 in favour of enforcing decency in schools and if you have to use force so be it.
that's disgusting
@@nobs997dreadlocks is indecent? According to white people or?
…. kicked out by black male teachers?
Love what France is doing and hopefully in future they banned it in the streets and hopefully more Western countries follow France this is the right way right here
bulllshiitt
The issue of (Muslim) women wearing Abayas and other loose-fitting clothings is not generally only about an Islamic tradition, but rather it's also about (Muslim) women's choice to wear clothings that would cover most of their body, and not exposing their body.
(Muslim) women have every basic and fundamental human and religious right to wear Abayas and other loose-fitting clothings, as do other women who choose to wear other different types of clothings.
Also (Muslim) women who are living in Iran have every basic and fundamental human right to not wear a hijab, if they opt to, without getting arrested by morality officers.
@@jsslgn Perfectly agreed!
@@jsslgn Perfectly agreed!
Why the french old government men want to strip 15 year old girls and make strip tease in class?
Why is the anchor not wearing Abbaya in Qatar?
Her personal choice. She wants to look half modernised and totally biased. Another hypocricy.
That black outfit might be an abaya, You can't see what it is behind a desk.
The anchor is not Muslim.
as a person that lives in PARIS, i totally support the government for this decision .... if they don't like our rules, they can change the country :) must of them believe that islam laws are more important than french constitution, so BYE
But it’s cultural, style.. so what rule?
@@bellad1063 it's an islamist look :)
I think that if you gona live in any country you need to abide by their laws. If it was reversed, if one is living in a Arabic country, they don't allow women /men to expose certain parts of their bodies, by law. So why in another country one doesn't follow that law?
this
Islamic countries don't claim a separation between religion and state and that it won't enforce these laws in public and on the public population. France on the other hand does because either they don't have the balls to do so fearing they'll fall into hypocrisy of breaking their own value of secularism or the fear of backlash that it would have globally.
France's concern with what young girls wear in schools, not concerned about how less they wear but how much they wear is very paedophilic and an odd obsession and to be frank it very disgusting.
Exposing one's body is hardly the same as covering up. Abaya is just a style of long dress.
translation: me don't like Mooooslems!
That's the problem with these people, they don't assimilate.
follow their rules immigrants, be modest, stop being mailboxes
Rules? It’s cultural … just like a croissant .. let’s move on.
@@bellad1063 part of religion, croissant is not, well no one got hurt or killed with croissant
They need to pull all their money out of the banks
The patriarchy continues to flex it's strong arms in France... Don't they have really serious and urgent issues to focus on instead at home and in colonies in central west Africa???
You must be american to answer in such ways... Wokism has damaged your brain cells... If you are against patriarchy then you shouldn't defend this faith which is patriarchy at it's purest form.... Imagine doing the same claims for Christians in muslim countries, we all know where that would go...
The French guy is giving the worst explanation of what he thinks is defending laicity à la française.
Lol, I support that ban, because forcing Islamic women to dress like that is 'women-phobic'.
no one force us idiot its just ur stupid brains half knowledge
France is a thief, once France gives back all the gold, uranium, steel to African countries such as Algeria, Tunis, Morocco, Cote d'Ivoir, Niger, Nigeria, Bourkina Faso, once they have given back the materials and lives that they took, then they can say "my land" or "my law". Besides, if you are taking people's rights you claimed to have given them like freedom and liberty, then you are a criminal and a crook, and a pervert because if your job is to measure 15 year old girls' skirts and force their skirts to be shorter you should be behind bars not in government.
Shool doesnt need religious identity. Shool is to develop good relationship among students for all citizens.
So why do you think we should force people to go against their religion? What others wear has zero effect on you. Mind your business
@@los7187 want to exercise islamic rights, try islamic country?
😂 this just brings hatered among students of all religions.
No friendship is formed by oppresing one religions students
translation: me don't like Mooooslems!
How does ignoring differences foster tolerance and acceptance?
Simple, if they want to live a conservative life, don't live in France. Didn't they go to france volunteerly???
This is the Cruz of the matter. You chose to seek political or economic asylum in France and the West rather than other rich Arab countries!! Al Jazeera has actively encouraged this Islamic propaganda in Europe. Middle Eastern countries do not provide asylum for Palestinans Syrians Iranians Algerians Tunisians Egyptians Pakistanis or afghans but have programmes on whipping up anti French or Western values.
No one seems to understand that for some women (including myself) dressing modestly is freedom! Leave women alone!!
well...there are large trousers and a pullover that cover anything.
no need to wear long dresses.
Are you having the same discussions in Muslim countries? That for some women (including myself) not having to cover yourself is freedom!
Ofc you are leaving women in those countries alone! The hypocrisy…
@@annas4843 I think you misunderstood. If you do not want to cover up you shouldn’t have to. Women should be free to wear whatever they want either way. I wish you all the best🍀
@@Dee17 we agree… I m sure you are expressing the same view to all Muslim countries in Middle East right? You agree then that the current situation in Middle East needs to change radically and allow any woman to dress as she likes wherever she is and no one should be allowed to tell her otherwise right?
Good on france! Public institutions are not a place to showcase your religion, there are other places for that.
All sicko show their support now 😂
@@habonbileh1166 The only sick in this subject are the man who want to cover their women like they are some type of food or lollipops aparently as they always love that comparison
France as not enough teachers, supplies etc…! But the new school minister is the women dresses. Teachers shouldn’t have to mesure length of dresses of their students. This another imposition from the government to already over burdened teachers.
They measure girl skirts to see if it's short enough, if boys can touch under then its good, otherwise, go back home or go back to your country we dont need u 😂
it is not saudi
They are for me the same like in the Iran government. They are playing with women right, some of the forcing women to wear hijab other force them to take it off. Both both are radikal, and using force .
The Saudis never claim to have democracy or hav women right okay or they never claim their woman's can do what ever they want and they don't go preaching or accusing other countries of violating women right by denying them education or trying to dictate two women what to do an or wear it's France an Europe doing that your hypocrisy and double standard is the problem you are facing now don't claim and pretend to be something when in reality you are just a wolf wearing sheep cloth 😊😊😊😊😊....
Separating religion from state.... let's start by removing tax-free status from all religious organizations; and state support for religious activities.
Those grim reapers are intimidating. They don't belong in Europe.
France decapitated the Christian King Louis VII in their revolution this is where the Freemasons started the idea of separation of Church and State which is a disguise to destroy Religion slowly around the world this is also when they started to "Colonize" (invade and destroy) Africa
as an afghan, good! Dont let your country become like the muslim ones! Separation of religion and state is necessary for progress everywhere
the doors are open, whoever wants islamic laws should go to an emirate or an islamic republic. And above all STOP COMING TO EUROPE TO TELL US HOW WE SHOULD LIVE.
Europe belongs to us. This whole world belongs to us. We're taking over and there's nothing you or anyone can do about it lol. Within the next 50-100 years most European countries will become Islamic states. You might as well get ahead of the curve and read The Quran. Unless that is the truth is too much for you to handle.
They are for me the same like in the Iran government. They are playing with women right, some of the forcing women to wear hijab other force them to take it off. Both both are radikal, and using force .
Funny thing is that France banning a long dress is equivalent to an Islamic state mandating certain clothes for women, they are both ridiculous. Leave the women's body alone. It is for us to govern. State should not impose its "religion" on it, even if that religion happens to be atheist. Make laws that support and strengthen your country and leave us women alone!
We live in Europe and not in a arabic country.
AMEN to that
If you force people to wear what you like and do what you like so I have to say that's not secularism.
If you ban religious apparel then yes, it is secularism.
@@renaudli5834 it seems secularism has become a religion in of itself.
@@renaudli5834 Why not ban Christmas holiday then? Why not ban Easter and all other religious holidays.
@@Chainless_Slave7 You said: "it seems secularism has become a religion in of itself."
Wrong. Religion is a cult of an invisible god while secularism is the denial of such a cult.
@@renaudli5834 Not really, religion in the broader sense, for example Buddhism is considered a religion although it does not have a deity. Religion, what I meant, is a group of ideas that you ascribe to. And the secularism in France is its own type of religion. Even, in the way you define it, is also a religion because it denies the actual reality. It, in France, denies that different groups with religious identities exist. It works for robots but for humans, no. Thus, the secular ideology, lacité or whatever, is a religion.
Those women are talking nonsense. Only the gentleman speaks any sense. To say that the abaya is not a religious symbol is absolute and total NONSENSE!
That's just classic muslim type lie... She just knows the art of lying...
She knew exactly that abayas are a religious symbol. It is an undeniable FACT. It is also a political statement. It has to be so because, in Islam, there is no separation of the temporal and the spiritual. Islam makes no such distinction. In fact, the concept of secularism is very controversial in the Middle East; hence in Arabic.
Racism was mentioned the woman with her head covered is whiter than the anchor. So racism is about race nd skin colour!!
@@agnescraig2912 The wearing of the abaya to school has got NOTHING to do with race. It is a political and religious statement. It has to be both, simply because Islam recognises no separation of politics and religion. Islam is technically not a religion; rather, it is a way of life - one organic and coherent whole. It is known in Arabic as 'al din'. (The deen.)
If they don't like it they are welcome to go and wear their abayas and khamis in the Middle East.
For the record:
1- In the 1905 Law of Separation of Church and State, the word "laïcité" (secularism) NEVER appears once in the text passed by National Assembly.
2- This same law is NOT against religions, but about the NEUTRAL role of the state in religious affairs, notably financing the Catholic clergy.
3- The current French Constitution clearly states that it GUARANTEES freedom of religion and freedom of conscience.
4- The 2004 Law that bans "visible religious symbols" in public schools is anticonstitutional. If the French were consistent with their secularism fetish, they would ban school holidays ALL based on the Catholic calendar.
clothing and stuff like that is political. Religion is within the four walls of your house
@@Everythinz No clothes are not "political": this is one these far right, empty arguments. The state does not have the right to legislate women's body and choices. When the French occupied North Africa, they dressed as French, not like the natives, didn't they? So, stop the hypocrisy...
@@monikam9069 I am glad that you are taking an example from a totalitarian regime... As for what you call "a private matter", I think that you are confused: faith is private indeed, you have yours, I have mine. But "private" does not mean that I have to censor myself to fit in the racist model of French universalism, or that I have to "assimilate" like during the colonial times.
By whose opinion? Imposing g on others!
If Iran imposes a dress code for women. Then why cannot a secular Country as well?
Why the hypocrisy now?
Every country should have the right to have its own rules especially if supported by most of its citizens. I would not go to Saudi Arabia and whine I cannot wear short shorts in the streets. Get over it!
thank you for giving these women finally a platform and the freedom to speak publicly when they’re constantly silenced by a misogynistic and sexually depraved government.
Dress code should be compulsory for every student.
Growing up in South Africa I never saw Muslim girls or women covering up as they do these days.
It's a reaction by many to the nudity they're exposed to online.
NOTHING TO WORRY ABOUT
@@lolazal1Not really! I would guess because many after the apartheid fell started to go to Middle East for pilgrimages or work got influenced.
By the way why you claim there’s nudity everywhere?
Exactly. I'm French, and 35 years ago no schoolgirls wore Abayas or barely anyone.
So the mentaliy changed, now their parents must be influenced to force their daughters to wear that or teenagers do it to show them. As being Muslim.
So?
That's why it's a political statement and in Islam politics and religion are the same.
No matter how we look at it. Its the just french being the french. Nothing new here. Sociopathic culture.
Well done 👏👏👏 France. Highly appreciated.
They plan and plot, but allah is the best of planners.
@@maghribifilondonvlogs220 say...best of the CREATORS. Dont ask me who are the other creators. Seriously I dont know.
Amen👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
@@maghribifilondonvlogs220Go home then.
translation: me don't like Mooooslems!
I can't see a problem with modest clothing, it should be encouraged as it makes a change from seeing young people being encouraged to dress provocatively, and or to purchase and wear fast fashion.
Go live in Afghanistan or Iran or the Middle East. Do not tell us what to wear. Provocative is a man's problem. These men are not dogs in heat but have a brain that distinguishes us from animals.
@@agnescraig2912I wonder if they do though 🤔
Maggieadams8600.....YOU'RE the best👍💞
People should be free to choose what they wear, or even go nude if they have beautiful bodies.
@@kennethrohen5963 YOU'RE indeed those among the people who follow Women on Insta because you promote nudeness. By writing such a comment, sure you're a man
This is quite simple uniforms for everyone, if these issues are so severe and there is no consensus, school unifor is the way to go, on the good side it would help parents not to spend hundredth of euros in fashion shoes or other expensive attires just to show off :-)
You're right!
Saudi Arabia Bans Abaya In Examination Halls, Asks Female Students To Wear School Uniforms
In 2018, it was announced that the abaya would no longer be legally enforced.
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The Saudi Arabian government establishment has banned the "abaya" from the examination halls of the educational institutions, according to The National.
The Saudi Education and Training Evaluation Commission, a body in charge of approving educational and training systems, made the decision. The decision involved the Saudi Arabian Ministry of Education as well.
According to the administration, female students will no longer be allowed to wear the abaya during exams. They are now required to wear school uniforms in the exam rooms, which must also adhere to public decency norms.
not going to help. They make girls wear short skirts as their uniform, that will be making it way worse.
That's correct, but on other side, they wont allow simple hijabs as well.
@@mch4735they are French citizens. What a stupid comment
No religious footprint in schools the hijab is a personal religious choice, children bellow a certain age are dressed by their parents is not even a choice. @@HafsaMujahidR
Seems fair to me. Look at home other religions are treated in Muslim countries
Great decision by france..All Muslim countries should follow it.. Muslim Women will be the most happiest person on earth if burkha system removed😂
And, you should learn how to write in English.
Wow! Loubna Reguig, you're a badass smart young woman, I wish you lots of strength and luck❤.
agreed... She queen. Ppl like her should lead, out with the dinosaurs inshallah.
Yet it's ok for Islamic countries to dictate what non muslim women wear?
"there's been an increase of loose fitting robes at schools" how ridiculous to even make this into an issue! I am not a Muslim and love wearing long dresses. Why should I be allowed to wear one but a Muslim girl not? Men, stop telling us women how much of our body should be visible!
Wendy Smith, I assume you're a US citizen.
1) where in the US do you live?
2) what's the muslim population there?
3) have you ever been to France?
So they are not telling the Muslim women to dress immodestly, they are just telling them not to wear an Abaya to school, which is a full cover robe. These .Muslim women are just trouble makers and such an attitude should not be tolerated. That is a rebel attitude.
Accept your long dress doesn’t separate yourself from society your in. The abaya does …
@@sarahjames927 then maybe we should ban tattoos, unusual hairstyles, weird clothes....so many way people "separate" themselves from society
Culture is one of the main things that unifies France into France. If they don't have that, then they are not one nation. There needs to be assimilation, otherwise separate societies form. The problem is not the type of dress. The problem is that people who wear those dresses often consider themselves Muslim first and French second. That is a major red flag, especially if that population is growing. That means France is destroying itself.
What is hypocritical is to say that the abaya is not religious but when one wears it everybody knows of one's religion: this is what is not allowed in French schools !
That young woman says it is not religious but she defends it vehemently: she is actually the president of MUSLIM Students of France !!! That says it all !!!
Also, why bring a londoner in the conversation; she is not even involved in the debate and can't even understand the french national philosophy !!! Furthermore, such a woke in her arguments !!!
I bought them at the market in Morocco and handed them as Christmas gifts to my Christian family! They love them. Good easy lounge wear in the home and on the beach as a cover up.. bright colors are cute for hotel resorts. 😂
Christians (orthodox) and Egyptian Jews also wore Abasayas...it is a garment based on culture and not all muslim women wear it.
@@lolazal1 Yes, but it happens in Egypt not in France: in Rome do like the romans !!!
@@askenderiii2374like you did when you colonized the countries these ppl come from? You reap what you sow...
Just as it is hypocritical to bring pseudo intellectuals to French TV to make them say that the veil or hijab is not mentioned in the Coran and that the hijab is a traditional garment only to later call it an Islamic garment and make a law banning it. Like make up your mind lol
They can happily live in islamic country and practice their traditions isint?
France is a thief, once France gives back all the gold, uranium, steel to African countries such as Algeria, Tunis, Morocco, Cote d'Ivoir, Niger, Nigeria, Bourkina Faso, once they have given back the materials and lives that they took, then they can say "my land" or "my law". Besides, if you are taking people's rights you claimed to have given them like freedom and liberty, then you are a criminal and a crook, and a pervert because if your job is to measure 15 year old girls' skirts and force their skirts to be shorter you should be behind bars not in government.
Saying France is based on egalité is like saying the us wasn't built on salvery😂
Saying abaya is not a religious dress is like saying the hijab is not a religious apparel.
well the middle east knows alot about slavery they continue to be one of the biggest enslavers to this day
Is secularism another religion? What does it stand for? Long dresses are about modesty. Is being modest against secularism (whatever it is)? How is it radical and dangerous?
Secularism is the separation of religion from state. Being modest is not against secularism but if done in a religious manner that’s wear it crosses the line.
This is one of example of French's Hypocrisy.
Good. Dont like it? Plenty of religious countries to live in. Respect the laws and social norms if you move to a country.
translation: me don't like Mooooslems!
When I was at school there something called uniform dress code it served for the school smartness and religion clothing was not the sort to wear.
As long as face is visible I really don't care and no-one should care.
What about they move to a muslim country? Wouldn't it solve the "problem"?
😂 French police pointed their guns at the “ Liberty Statue " which they gifted to USA to takeoff its loose dress and wear bikini because it’s standing in the middle of the ocean.
Lol
the statue of Happiness 🤣 GTA IV
there are no principles in today's world my friend, sad but true
There country there law.
These people are french, idiot!
You right. same rules apply in Africa. Their country Their law.
@@frednerk6 well, they don’t! They come in with such arrogance.
Same for Africa, give back the gold and uranium , remove puppet leaders and army from power in Africa, then we can talk.
You wanna wear it? Move to parts of the world where its accepted and even mandatory to wear it! I live in a country where little girls are covered , even with gloves and socks....breaks my heart a 3 year old? Really?
Where do you live?
@@karimabelhajla5976 malayisa , Indonesia...and extremism is growing...day by day
In islamic countries you cant dress with short dresses and no one protest !!!!! They can wear modest cloth and keep their modesty but NOT with Abayas . Good move France !!!
Do you understand an abaya is just a long dress? Not a face veil as shown in the footage.
Instead of banning a particular garment, just make it “No Head Coverings in Classrooms”…No Hats, Scarves, Caps, Etc. that solves the issue…
When in Rome... or Paris... See if in Jeddah, Western women can walk around in mini skirt or bikini...
facecover banned in France
Because it's Europe not an Islamic country
oh this young woman knows all the trigger words to vilify the french 👌
So if Muslim start wearing suit french government will have to ban suit. Your argument is lame
I think each of the speakers are missing an aspect. Racism is taught, mostly from your parents or close relations influences around them. When you go to school at a young age you quickly teach yourself that everyone looks average without any indicators of where they are from, around the same age and you see them year after year. One day you ask some to borrow a pen, a book, or you make classroom friends, later on you find out their religion, but doesn't matter after the fact. Later one of your parents says a sly comment about someone in the street, the child says oh my friend in class, is the same religion, they're nice.
Islam isn't a race, ergo it literally cannot be "racist".
MUSLIM NATIONS ARE KNOWN FOR ENFORCING THEIR DRESS CODES. EUROPE EVERY RIGHT TO ENFORCE THERE DRESS CODE.
Except the fact that countries like afghanistan, saudi arabia, qatar, iran, etc never claim they have freedom of expression, freedom of speech, etc.
France on the other hand always claim they have these "freedom" but apparently if you are a muslim woman, these freedom dont apply to you.
@@firdaus99031 Doesnt matter theseuslims need to go back to Afghanistan
When I was a kid going to school in Paris we wore a nylon blouse. Everybody had to wear one and that’s it. We did not know who was catholic, protestant, jewish. The religious education was done outside our school and it was great. Nowadays these young muslim girls are ridiculous. They want this, they want that. Never happy. They can wear whatever they want at home but not in a non religious space. We fought for our rights. They live in France and they have to respect the rules.
One can not respect the rules that have nothing to do with common sence.
You must be 80 years old!
@@SERGIO-cr6uy No. Not at all. You must be a Muslim.