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Exploring The Crow City of Angels
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 13 ก.ย. 2015
- The troubled history of the sequel to The Crow.
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The worst part about asshole producers is that if they screw up a movie, it can potentially ruin the director's, writer's and even actors' careers, but the producer usually just moves on to a new project and pretends like he had nothing to do with the movie.
+Max Payne Exactly. Whenever a movie flops its always blame the director, even if they disown the film.
@@GoodBadFlicks Good thing Harvey is now behind bars
@@KainSpada09Or is he?
The writer, David Goyer went on to write the Blade movies and co-wrote the Dark Knight trilogy. This flick didn’t slow him down at all.
The first Crow movie is a fucking masterpiece.
Clint Ayres the first was a true Work of art, but the true directors Version of Angels sounds like it would have been a worthy successor to the first.
Damn right it is!
Exactly. Which is why I'm praying that they NEVER manage to do a remake/reboot.
and this one would have been a good movie to if not for Harvey Weinstein's meddling Making sequels to the crow is fine as long as they don't remake the first one or cast another actor as Eric Draven. It's totally fine to have other people revived by the crow to exact revenge.
Fuck yeah it is:)
Someone do a petition for this film to be put in its original vision, because I want to see this.
Me too!!
I want to see the 2000(ish) The Thing restored to it's original version.
I can dream.
My guess is that the extra footage is probably long gone by now. And even if it isn't, there's quite a bit of time and money put into restoring old footage like that. The studio would only do it if they can be pretty confident to turn a profit from it. The Crow: City of Angels is far from being a beloved classic, or even a cult classic really, so I have trouble imagining that the audience for a re-release would be large enough to really warrant the effort and money put into it. I'd love to see it, but I feel that's the harsh reality of it.
With the snyder cut now being a thing. Their's a small chance, that if the demand is their, we could maybe get this. The studio just needs to know people want it.
@@Kh3micalX8 It's a bit of a different situation. Justice League didn't come out about 25 years ago. And WB has had recent success with their DC films so there's a reasonable incentive there and a clear audience for it. Plus, given how recent of a movie it is, that footage is still readily available.
I love how you said "With the incoming remake of The Crow" and 8 years later it's finally happening.
I believe at the time it was the Jason Momoa one that was cancelled days before filming began. Its funny how determined they were to do a remake that no one really wants.
@@GoodBadFlicks the sequels felt more like remakes. And I think the TV show was a remake. And each time people like them less and less.
@@HackTheMovieseach crow is supposed to tell their own story so it's understandable that a lot of people feel they're like remakes but the Crow isn't supposed to be a single entity but multiple people different people in time. Like being a Green Lantern. They're all the "same" but each one will tell their own story the way they see it and thus will look like a retelling but it's just a different story. Not necessarily a sequel but just a different story.
I had no idea this movie was so badly butchered by the studio. This is quickly becoming my favorite channel. Great job!
Freddy Nunez me either n i loved this film. Wow
#ReleaseThePopeCut
Same here
@@philipjoseph5099 I Love Crow: City Of Angels too it has Similar Aspects to The First Crow But I Still Love it And City Of Angels has Different Things about it Brandon Lee will always be the Best Crow But I Still Love Vincent Pérez And Eric Mabius Portrayals Of The Crow But I Admire that there Different Characters, have Different Stories, And Work as Stand-alone Films rather than Sequels but still have The Crow Resurrecting Plotline, But Vincent Pérez And Eric Mabius are Much Better Crows than Edward Furlong who Sucked In Wicked Prayer
Weinstein left destruction in his wake in so many different ways
A Harvey Weinstein-like character should be the new antagonist in any new Crow movie/tv show, whenever it gets made.
Great idea if we get a female Crow lead
I would love a sequel that would never be meddled with.
@@somethinburnin No. It'll suck.
@@drew2fast489 chill
Now i hate harvey hambone weinstein even more
Harvey butchered Hellraiser: Bloodline too. I'd love to see an episode on that. There's some footage that was cut floating around TH-cam.
Couldn't a company put an extended version & a theatrical version on both DVD & Blu-Ray. When will they do it!?
Yep.. he had Halloween 6, Bloodline, and COA all within 2 years. That's mindbogglingly terrifying how he got away with destroying movies like he did. Winning Oscars through politics must mean everything in the awful world of Hollywood. Bloodline gets overlooked compared to H6 and COA but it was it's own nightmare.
@@efan2012 It was so bad that Kevin Yagher took his name off the finished film. Reading about what went on behind the scenes with Bloodline I can't blame him.
Fun fact, Tim Pope directed almost all of "The Cure" videos
I remember reading the script for this, oh, a good decade ago at least. It made the movie make a lot more sense. One thing I thought was interesting was it explained Curve died not because of his injuries but because the River Styx was so poisonous. The injuries just made it so he couldn't move and get out of the water in time.
Also the original ending (at least according to the script) was Sarah becoming a Crow herself, riding a horse. As Ashe left the city, and Sarah galloped off to parts unknown, the sound of Ashe's bike's engine and the sound of Sarah's horse's hooves intertwine till you can't tell which one begins and the other ends, implying they would someday find their way back to each other.
I'm not sure how that would have gone over with audiences, but I find it kind of sweet and would have loved to have seen that on the big screen.
Okay, so I guess I’m replying to a three year old comment. But I think this is interesting so maybe someone will appreciate seeing this. The bit with Sarah on the horse was leftover from the original concept for the movie. It would have been a woman being resurrected in Europe (I think France) in the 1800s. It was described as “The Crow By Gaslight.” This was before Gotham By Gaslight was written. I think it was deemed way too expensive and they created a new story for a futuristic Crow story and that became this movie
And it made me quiver and cry. But it also reminds me of the comic with a female park ranger in a situation similar
Wow I never knew this shit. I fucking love the Crow and remember being so disappointed with city of angels. I don't understand why executives muddle instead of trusting in the director/writer. If you don't trust their vision then why hire them?
In their minds the input they give will make the end result better. While there have been producers who collaborate with the directors and indeed can help mold a better film, too many think they are smarter than they are and end up butchering the product.
I understand that. I wish more producer would work more closely with director then strong arm them or straight up go over their heads. I'd rather live in that world
Ego dude. It's the bane of Human existence.
It's exactly the same scenario that ruined Alien 3 from the get go. Fincher has every reason to disown that film.
312vandal Parts of Salvation were ok, but Wicked Prayer was absolute garbage.
The entire video I was thinking, "Wow, what a great movie this would be for Shout Factory to get their hands on." Low and behold you were thinking the same hahaha
who
I'm hoping it happens man.. with the Miramax rights at Paramount now maybe, just maybe, they could find a way to get it going. Lionsgate refused to talk to them over Miramax movies from what I understand but they no longer have the rights to those movies.
The fact that weve been able to get a proper cut of Nightbreed and the Donner Cut of Superman 1 and 2 gives me hope that one day we might see this film as it was intended.
Honestly? I've always felt that Iggy was better suited for this movie than he would've been for the first. This has like an apocalyptic punk vibe to everything, and he fits with that PERFECTLY.
Hopefully, since Harvey Wankenstein got the boot, they could release a true "Director's Cut", and have it as close to the original version that they had intended.
Well with the new underway there's a Good chance it could happen hell we might get the Uncut version of 1st with the Skull Cowboy if where lucky :)
+JayDde284
lol what new one, haa haa
@@jewishparasite100 There was supposedly a remake of the first film in the works with Luke Evans a few years back but it looks like that went belly up for a variety of reasons. Evans dropped out and then in 2017 Jason Momoa was cast and then he dropped out in 2018. Same with the director. It's been dormant since then and frankly needs to stay that way at this rate.
"The movie was shot to be one thing, and then forcibly edited to be another."
Sounds a lot like what happened with Suicide Squad.
Wow how do u bring that into this. I really liked suicide squad even Good bad Ficks gave it a good review. Wow just wow here I was just thinking the crow
Astro Zombie Exactly
Han Solo I am not If makes perfect sence cause the same shit happend to suicide squad, I don't know how involved u are in comics and anime but suicide squad did not capture the true Essence of these characters. that movie was flop. on it harly Carried that movie
And Justice League too
@@johnsoda6531 moment of silence for jl
How a girl went from a kid-friendly superhero wearing yellow spandex to a villain in the sequel of one of the darkest movies to date is beyond me. Thuy had talent, I can tell you that! May she rest in peace...
*I never knew how beautiful this film was supposed to be. As a single father of a young boy that lost his mother recently, this brought tears to eyes. Thank you for this video.*
Jonah Wilson I noticed that too. It’s amazing what we think are original ideas for films are just pre made, selected ideas for other movies etc
I feel you man. Lost many belved people in the last 10 years, including my sister, who only lived 31 years on this planet. All the best to you and your son. I hope you two can get through this painful time and tighten the bond you have. Cheers, mate. Greetings from germany.
Vincent Perez is such a brilliant actor. And there are really good scenes here (pick a card, the Day of the Dead, peep show, fight with Kali.) and there are some bright quotes as well (pain is my power). The design is beautiful. Music is really good and fun. And Vincent Perez is astonishing - he is giving a top performance of modern Hamlet driven by revange and pain. This character guides his victims to death's door. He's like a grim reaper who appears before his victims in a moment of intimacy and reflects their fears like a mirror. Perez said: "we saught poetry in violence, which isn't easy to achieve". I would love to see the directors cut. Itś a pitty what the studio did to this film in the end. But still - it is worth seiing. And no, itś not Ingmar Bergman :).
Thank you. No one gives this one or especially Vincent's preformance any love and it's a shame. He blew me away in this movie, really really hard to have to, in the studios and prolly most of the worlds eyes, follow lee, but heade it his own and he totally crushed it. I was shook before that was a thing, I mean nearly shaking watching him. His passion for the role was unmistakable.
@@kamenanew9867 He was amazing. The pain he feels as he has flashbacks of his son being murdered really grips you. I wish Vincent had been given more roles in Hollywood, but now that I think about it, he deserved better than Hollywood.
Ironically they used the name Michael Corvin in the UNDERWORLD movies.
+MrDman21 Somebody took it and ran.
HA HA!
And ran they did into 4 sequel and a prequel
Corvin ultimately comes from the latin Corvus, which is the Genus that contains ravens and CROWS.
Didn't they use the name also in for the 3rd Crow film with Kirsten Dunst?
As strange as this movie is, I really like it. You can see the hard work trying to push its way out. Vincent Perez was really good. The story of a father and son gives it a more personal feel. The music is haunting. The atmosphere is felt. I would really love to see the real directors cut.
I live in Memphis, and picked up the novelization of the film before it actually came out. That novel is almost exactly the real movie you describe here. I loved it. I still have it around here somewhere.
Wow. This was incredibly interesting. I would have loved to see the REAL version of the movie. Such a shame.
+Ashlee O thanks!
It makes me so sad with what happened to this movie.
wow I'm positively saddened at what that movie was supposed to be in comparison to what we got. I loved the original and felt totally ripped off with the second. to know that it's supposed to be this story of death and love, way better. I hope we get to see the directors actual vision someday.
+bbybear712 Maybe once this new version of the first film that's been kicking around for awhile now (supposed to be much closer to the original comic this time too) actually happens maybe a legit director's cut supervised by Tim Pope himself ala Blade Runner The Final Cut will actually happen as well.
This explains SOO much...
Honestly the movie you're describing sounds fucking awesome
Holy crap. To think of the number of movies Harvey Weinstein ruined.
He ruined lives and movies. 23 years in prison is not enough punishment for that bastard.
alucard624 trust me it will get a lot more worse in prison.
Just found it that Harvey Weinstein tested positive for The CoronaVirus.
SparkyMarkyMark 23 yes whoohoo!!!!!
Mr Rojas don’t give me anti-hope please....
Goodbye Harvey, you will NOT be missed!
I'll miss the drama and entertainment. It's better than the shit they put out for the screens nowadays.
The original version of the story with the downer ending, drastically different to the first movie's sorrowful but satisfying resolve, would have made it marginally better. Real bummer we never got to see it. It's a totally different spin on the message, making the avenger roam the earth indefinately after his mission, undermining the concept of vengeance
The downer ending sounds kinda crap to me, just sequel bait instead of a conclusive ending.
I do love City of Angels(it's one of the only two crow films I enjoy), but the original as described would be much better.
A comic was released after the film called "Crow: City of Angels" and contained all the unedited stories mentioned above. Such as: Sarah stabbing Ashe in the heart to prove that he is dead: When Judah kills the crow and robs Ashe of his powers, his son tells him to give up and to be with him & last but not least, when Ashe decides to stay but Sarah dies and he is left alone to wander the City of Angels.
I have that entire series, and can confirm. Also a great collectors item.
I always thought this movie was missing something, it didn't feel complete...now I know why. Greed destroys another great film.
Awesome vid, Cecil!
+Kevin McConnell Thanks!
Not gonna lie, I genuinely enjoyed Vincent Perez in this movie. I loved that he was a bit of a clown in his fight scenes, but you still felt his sorrow in more quiet scenes.
Kitty Grimm Same! I love how radically different the character of Ash was from Eric; whereas Brandon was more kinetic and outwardly revenge-fueled, Vincent’s interpretation was more subdued with that undercurrent of violent intensity.
@@tajcee you are right . The fact is - Vincent is excellent actor, he was delivering a performance of modern Hamlet driven by giref, vengence and a hint of insanity... He has classical trainig from Conservatoire de Paris and is able to play Shakespeare on stage, he is familiar with pantomime or Commedia dell'arte... first class acting
agree . The fact is - Vincent is excellent actor, he was delivering a performance of modern Hamlet driven by giref, vengence and a hint of insanity... He has classical trainig from Conservatoire de Paris and is able to play Shakespeare on stage, he is familiar with pantomime or Commedia dell'arte... first class acting
Oh man, the original uncut movie would have been oh so much better... even though it would have been two and a half hours if the story is good i like a long movie.
Well done.
+C Targaryen Thanks! That was just the director's first cut, which is usually expected to be trimmed. (not butchered) Most likely the theatrical cut would have been closer to 2 hours 15 minutes if they didn't toss the whole thing out.
Typical for Lord and Master Weinstein.
+C Targaryen Hail Satan! lol
This movie was such a hit it was put back in theaters by popular demand back then.
Thank you so much for mentioning Graeme Revell - my all-time favorite composer.
What I love about you and your channel, is that you seem to find all the movies that had massive potential that were destroyed and show us all how they SHOULD have been viewed. Your appreciation for true film is inspiring, keep up the good work.
Oh Harvey Weinstein, first you touch our movies, then you touch girls inappropriately, then you touch some more movies.
I just picked up the PVP Light 3000. Nice little NES clone system.
Then Harvey touched jail cell in 23 years.
The Studio's Strike again. The Original/Director's version sounds Awesome, sad that they Screwed it over.
Fucking Harvey Weinstein... I had no idea! No wonder I hated this movie (and The Crow is one of my favorite movies of all time), but I have to admit, if what was originally shot got released I would have probably really enjoyed it. It sounds like a beautiful dark story. Thank you for sharing this!
+Impression Blend Thanks!
Yes
I love The Crow. It has the potential to have really really good movie sequels or adapted to Television.
+91MoonKnight Like HBO's animated Spawn series.
+91MoonKnight the crow was actually adapted to a tv series for just a brief 1 season around the late 90s to early 2000s I believe. Starz's Encore Action channel would show it during midnight each week night.
+Nichelle Perez yeah I remember that, the role was playing by Mark Dacascos. He has similar fave with Brandon Lee.
The actual TV show was pretty good for most part. Low budget but still fun to watch and so obviously filmed in Vancouver like every other genre show from that time frame.
91MoonKnight i used to watch the tv show...it was ok. Still remember the theme music
That makes so much sense now... City of angels always seemed a bit choppy and disjointed... I never knew it was cut down that badly... It's a damn shame
This legit does break my heart to hear what the film could of been vs what it sounds like we ended up getting. Explains all the hate the film gets.
"The Crow: City Of Angels" 20th anniversary tonight (Aug. 30th, 1996)Watching it right now as I type. Very underrated sequel....but that Original vision sounded FANTASTIC!
I have watched this video now 4 times. I really would love to see a directors cut of this film.
I’ve been wanting this Director’s Cut since just after the film hit theaters. My best friend had read the novelization, and we had both read a ton of interviews and articles about the film. It killed us how different it was from what was intended. Thanks for summarizing it all in this great video.
I really have to commend you that your content has always has a consistent quality. I've followed your channel for a while, and occasionally I go back to old videos, and they're the same high quality I see today. Not a lot of channels can say that after so long. I'm very appreciative.
Thank you so much! I work hard to deliver the quality of stuff that I myself would want to watch :)
One thing that always bothered me about the original Crow movie was how it departed so strongly from the source material. Don't get me wrong, it still holds its place in my heart as one of the greatest gothic movies of all time, but I was always disappointed how they went the action-flick route instead of holding true to the original story. While there certainly was some action in the original comic, it was only in small bites and was a supplement to the greater, far more tragic story of love and loss. The majority of the comic focuses on Eric and the absolute torment he goes through remembering/re-living that moment when he and Shelly were killed and how it drives him forward to complete his revenge while also driving him insane. Plus, the crow itself was not a physical being, but a spiritual manifestation along with the Skull Cowboy, guiding him along the way. Obviously, they only made the crow a physical bird just so they could do the whole "take away the hero's power so he has to beat the big bad on his own", which always really annoyed me. The story was so powerful on its own it didn't need that stupid trope and in the end only hurt the film. I hope that if they do remake it, they'll go the more psychological route with it and showcase that instead of making another stupid action flick.
Personally, I thought the changes worked for a more streamlined story which works better in a 100 minute movie imo.
I liked the movie more then the comic but the comic is still really good.
@@rpgnut5897 Yeah I understand that significant changes had to be made to the source material in order to bring it to the screen, especially at the time it was made. That's why it doesn't detract from my enjoyment of the film and, as I said, I still think it's one of the greatest comic book/gothic movies made to date. I just wish/hope that if they do bring it back they will ignore the current trajectory Hollywood has when it comes to comic book movies and at least keep the overriding spirit of the comic even if they have to make alterations to it so it will once again fit on the screen.
@@emberparadox458 As a side note, why do you dislike the "take away the hero's powers" trope?
@@rpgnut5897 in this particular case with The Crow, it felt far too much like a Hollywood trope that just had to be thrown in there because it sort of checked off a box on an action hero list for the time. As I mentioned before the crow in J. O. Barr's story was actually more like a spirit that could not be seen by anyone and certainly wasn't a direct tie to Eric's supernatural/undead abilities. I don't "mind" it generally speaking, but in this particular movie, it felt kind of forced.
I actually asked Shout Factory if they could do a full director’s cut of The Crow: City of Angels but unfortunately they said they couldn’t get the rights to the film🙁🙁
That's such bad news. I freaking love this movie with all the stuff my imagination added to it.
Thats sad :(
@@annegame7682 I know because I know they would have done a great job restoring the directors original cut who knows maybe in time shout factory will be able to get the rights and restore the film
I remember that I rented the VHS of the movie Best Of The Best 2. And they had City of Angels trailer on it and in that trailer it showed Ashes name on a tombstone and the name was Ashe Crawford .
I do think this movie is extremely underrated. Ash was a very different and very cool take on the character, it obviously has nothing on Lee's, but it does stand on it's own. The other two sequels, however....Jesus.
This is why I hated Weinstein before he ever got outed
Same here. He messed up the highlander and hellraiser franchises also
I love this movie, very underrated.
My brother in-law bought a random storage unit and it had a ton of comics in it. He knew I was a comic scholar, so he gave me the three boxes to grade for sale. Lot of great stuff, but not great condition...except all issues of Calbur's The Crow in mint.
Geuss who inherited them?
🖤😎🤘
I recently saw the original Crow movie for the first time and I loved it. It depresses me that we will never truly see what City of Angels could have been, because it sounds like it could have been awesome, maybe even better than the original.
When I see the name Alex McDowell. I think who ever named him must of like A Clockwork Orange alot.
TheStewieOne hahaha i had the same thought
no wonder why this movie seems like a complete mess. hacks with no vision take a really good story and try to turn it into a rehashed version of something else to make a quick buck and that's what's sad about the film industry.and remaking the crow is a travesty that should NOT be touched wish studios would make something new or give us the crow city of angels the way it was ment to be
Finally watched this film. During my viewing, I like the look of the movie, and felt it had the feel of a music video at times. I paused the movie to check out IMDB and lo and behold, Tim Pope has directed many of my favorite videos, namely Queen's It's a Hard Life, and The Cure's Lovesong.
Thank you so much for this priceless information. Yes, I dressed as the crow on my college prom night because of these movies back then... And now I know for sure that the city of angels was truly a masterpiece because I felt some parts were forced and this video proves my belief in it since much of the original creators made it and not many sequels can topple the originals and as you said, I pray too that city of angels will get it's overdue justice.
Cecil could you please do an episode on Dark City. Freakin love that movie and I know you'd treat it right.
+zachary goodwin its on the list!
I used to think that Directors make Bad Movies. However, recent Hollywood and business and other incidents throughout movie history has proven this statement is wrong. Directors don't make Bad Movies anymore. Studios make bad movies.
Indeed, I thought the same thing. In some cases I guess it's warranted like some believe of Scott's Alien Covenant. However, over the years, I've learned that for every great vision by a director, there's an equally shitty goal by a mogul.
Wow. I would love to see this original version done and edited for a DVD release. The ending sounds so beautifully tragic and desperate for Ash. How do such producers still not understand they only worsen their "products" when meddling in this way?!
The original ending is so damn tragic and that ending alone could have made a sequel that could have been a classic. I love this movie but we could have a great sequel. We need the directors cut. Tim pope was the man and you could see glimmers of his brilliance throughout this movie.
Well at least the soundtrack kicked ass, can't take that away from it.
I hope shout factory gets the rights. I want to see the original cut. I don't mind this movie. It's not as good as the original but it's better than the 4th one. The 3rd is my 2nd fav after the original.
I remember watching it years ago and thinking it was okay but not as good as the first because there were some things that did not make sense and it had so much potential to be amazing. Now I understand why it wasn't. It's a damn shame what they did to this film. Hopefully they will release it the way it was supposed to be made.
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Man, I had no idea that this and Blair Witch 2 were so heavily messed with. I really, really appreciate the research you do in bringing us all of this info, and just wish the original edits were available.
Maybe someday.
Maybe a true director's cut is possible now that Weinstein's career is FUBAR
DoomedAtBirth if the remake of the first film actually happens and the cut footage from city of angels is found then it might get a release as a marketing the in possibly. I know I would buy it.
alucard624 ditto
God that may be one of the few things good to come out of that shithole getting fired.
Awesome, as always! And very interesting!
I did know that this movie was cut, but not, that it was changed so heavily from the original intended version. I hate it when things like that happen to movies. Many were poorly received just because they were changed by the studio (f.e. "Hellraiser: Bloodline").
Now I really hate Harvey Weinstein!
Personally I like "The Crow: City Of Angels", even in the cinematic cut. It had his own atmosphere, good actors (though Vincent Perez did sometimes overact) and a great soundtrack, like the first one. It's definitely not bad! I also enjoyed Part III (maybe you could do an "Exploring"-video about this one?) but the last was utter shit. I'm hoping the remake will turn out at least watchable.
+gabe6550 Thank you! Its a shame because most folks just think of some movies as bad without knowing all the problems that went into making them that way. If this ever did get released in its proper form there would still be people saying "why?", not knowing or caring that it was finally being shown the way it should have in the first place.
What happened with Hellraiser Bloodline? I saw that recently and thought it was good apart from the obvious budget limitations (especially the future stuff). The thing I most disliked was the way the female demon was sidelined once Pinhead showed up.
When i was a kid i liked this movie. Recently rented it for nostalgic purposes...😕😣😥
Oh my god... I love this channel, such memories. I LOVED, LOVED, LOVED The Crow 2!! I had seen The Crow 2 when I was a kid (13ish), wayyyyyyyy before I even knew what a Crow 1 was - I can't be sure, but I think it was called The Crow: City of Angels (Not The Crow 2: City of..) So that could've added to my confusion. I was obsessed with this movie, used to rent it once a week from my video store. I didn't notice any of the connection to the first one because I didn't know it existed, but just the grit and revenge of it was right up my alley.. Then maybe after a few months of watching, I got one of my friends to watch this obsession movie of mine - that person went home, watched it, and was running up and down the street quoting: "Caw, caw, bang, fuck 'em dead." The next time I saw here.
And all I could think was, What's this crazy b on?? Why's she saying that?? Psycho."
And slooooowly from that point, years later actually, I realized that there was this whoooooooole OTHER Crow movie and man, when I saw that one... WHOA! I thought I was obsessed with The Crow before, but after seeing the first one, I devoured everything Crow I could get my hands on!! This is back when the internet was good, so I'd find all these forums for fan fiction and shit, it was just all Crow all the time for me! I don't think it 'ruined' part 2 for me thought, I still have love for the Crow 2 because I was so young and obsessed with all the crazy on screen.
... and there's my Crow story no one asked for.
I actually still enjoyed City of Angels but this is a damn shame.
We are not gonna talk about how many times I have watched this video.
thank you, I had no idea that it was the studio that destroyed this film, I hope the original is restored, I'd love to see it!
thanks again, you rock!
I will say that the production design on this film is fantastic. I love the smoggy, dirty, dilapidated look of this abandoned, decaying Los Angeles. It's too bad the film got utterly wrecked.
Ever thought of doing a Daredevil good bad flicks review ?
I'm not really bothered much at DD...but the way you reviewd on how the Crow city of angels was made?
I really loved it.
Thanks! I did do Daredevil but Fox took it down. You can still watch it here. www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/good-bad-flicks/10111-Exploring-Ben-Affleck-Daredevil
Thanks alot,much appericated
I myself would love to see the original cut, hopefully one day
I always knew in my heart this film had great potential to be a good movie under the surface.
I just watched this movie for the first time and I really like it. The first crow movie is my favorite movie ever, and having seen any others I was scared but city if angels is good in my opinion
I’d love to see the original version. Sadly it probably will never happen.
The name Michael Corvin was later used in Underworld.
Crow and Crow two are on the list of my favourite films.
I saw this movie and theaters and enjoyed it quite a bit. I didn't know until later that most people didn't. But the internet wasn't as pervasive back then.
The moment they said "Harvey Weinstein" I was like "Oh, well that explains everything."
Bingo. Time and time again when looking at troubled productions, his name comes up.
There’s an inaccuracy in this video that I think I should address. So I was on those “The Crow” boards at the time. When word got out about how different it was there was a lot of backlash. They recut it at least partially because the fans were up in arms. I distinctly remember one of the producers, I think Ed Pressman, reassuring fans on one board (Cecil’s Crow Page, I believe) that it wouldn’t be TOO different. Specifically he said the crow itself was killed and Ash had to fight the villain as a still somewhat powerful mortal like in the first movie. I’m not trying to defend Harvey Weinstein here, he absolutely did ruin this movie, but I think it’s worth noting that the reshoots and other changes weren’t just made because the studio wanted to replicate the original. They thought that’s what the fans wanted. It’s an early example of “don’t listen to the internet.” Fans usually don’t know what they want. Imagine what Twitter would have looked like in 1988 when Michael Keaton was cast as Batman
So I enjoyed City of Angels so to find out all of this out is friggin heartbreaking beyond all words. Here's hoping that we get the original vision sometime in the future guys and girls.
I've been waiting for this review of my personal favorite misunderstood sequel of a movie. Thank you
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Wow! I never knew any of this! This totally changes my views on this movie. :D
With Harvey Weinstein in jail and Justice League Snyder Cut being successful and supported hope we see a true directors cut of this movie along with Blair Witch 2: Book of Shadows and Suicide Squad.
Saw this in the theater three times as power was off in most of the city in the aftermath of a hurricane. Separate days. I loved the first movie but I could see that there was something in this one. It's nice to know that I was right and it just got left on the cutting room floor. I still loved it, but I could see how with a different producer and a more modern mindset on how to release such a film, it could have been a huge deal. I hope they never reboot this franchise. I hope it's always new stories and I hope they come up with a few of those. The only not new story I would accept, would be something that tied up this and that's probably nigh impossible.
Sometimes i think you give too much credit to genuinely bad films, but i really like when you "enlighten" us with this background information about producers getting their greedy hands on the films.
I knew there was more to this movie.
Scream Factory should get the rights 2 The Crow: City Of Angels with both the theatrical version & the director's vision. For those who love it.
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Actually Director's Vision Only, not The Theatrical Version.
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I loved this movie, in spite of the cuts. I definitely would have loved the original version even more, based on its description here. Back then I was all about that deep, dark, introspective goth romance.
I'm a big fan of the character but i must admit I had no idea about this. Thank you for this amazing video!
reading the novel of City of Angel would give you a better idea of the original story then the movie unfortuantly.
with Harvey out of the way, maybe we can get the real version
Let’s get this hashtag spreading #ReleaseTheRealCrowCityOfAngels
#ReleaseThePopeCut a.k.a. #ReleaseThePPVCut
I was a huge fan (and still am) of the crow. I had no idea that the City of angels got hacked into the disappointment it was. I would love to see the proper version of this. Thanks for the great video .
This movie in general gets shit talked a lot in every podcast I listen to. They say the same thing...it’s crap , it’s nothing....Thank you Cecil for looking at the positive of this under appreciated film. Nice touch at the end with the video game.
Wow, this video was really good. I've never even watched The Crow but now I feel really, really bad about how some hack butchered what could have been and still can be a great, beautiful film that stood on its own from its predecessor. At least now everyone can understand why I hate the edited version of The Plague Dogs and absolutely love the uncut version after watching this video.