Firstly, my apologies for a few of the aircraft ages being wayyyy off. I mainly go off what Flightradar24 gives me, but obviously some of them are very inaccurate. Secondly, @4:56, it should be a Piper PA-22 Tri-Pacer! Reg is also N7012D, not N70210, and it’s 65 years old. I probably should’ve checked to see that a Raven S49A is a balloon 😂 thanks to everyone that pointed that out.
G'day, And, not only but also, you claim that a P-51 D Mustang is "61 years old"..., and that's how old I am, but in 1961 North AmeriKan was NOT building P-51s any more, and the DC-3 was NOT still being built in 1955, either... What did you do, ignore the History Books - and then look up when the Airframes first went onto the Civilian Register ? "Must Try Harder....!" As one's School Reports used to say... Such is life, Have a good one... Stay safe. ;-p Ciao !
I'm a little confused. How is it a Pacer? I clearly see the nose wheel of a Tri-Pacer. Was it a conversion? Would be a strange thing for someone to do to a classic airplane.
Thanks for correcting that. But, wow, as a real-life pilot, I was sweating out those landings as though I was in the airplanes! Taildraggers are a handful in a crosswind. I owned a SONEX which wasn't all that bad, really. But I've flown the J-3 and the Citabria and they DEMANDED your attention on landing. You aren't done flying a taildragger until you've shut 'er down.
I just want to salute every pilot who executed a go-around when things got dicey. That's the difference between an Aviator and a mere pilot. They saved their aircraft, and maybe themselves, regardless of how it looked, or what inconvenience it may have caused the controllers.
100% agree: TOGA and try again. Just a LITTLE bounce/"porpoise" on landing after floating like this and you'll bend, then BEAK the aircraft. Especially of you kiss the nose first and the leverage SLAMS down the rear of the airframe... Go Around!
Best crosswind landing I ever saw. Riding shotgun in a '46 Ercoupe, no rudder pedals. Steering 45 degrees into the wind. We tracked down to the runway like we were on rails. Right at the flare, he straightened us up and I heard a single chirp from the tires. RIP dad.
Very interesting! Brings me back to my CFI days teaching cross wind operations in tail draggers. What I would hammer in; for one ALWAYS keep your upwind wing low and NEVER let up. Secondly, as soon as it touches down FULL aileron into wind, right down to walking speed and even then, keep it there. I see time and again; when the wheels are on the ground, people relax and neutralise controls an thats where stuff goes bad...
All my students were schooled that the landing was an option. What I see on this video are airplane drivers 'feeling' for the runway. I wonder how many of them practice crosswind approach and landing procedures with a good instructor? Most airplanes can easily handle at least twice the published crosswind limit. I once found myself in a situation of having to land in a PA 28 in a given cross wind of 40kts. The Piper had plenty of control ability available. Taxying was the real challenge.
Amen. Not done flying until it's tied down. Everyone's approach speed seems excessive beyond the extra for the crosswind. In tail-draggers in a heavy crosswind with a lot of runway: why flaps? By using flaps and reducing the airspeed at touchdown, they thereby raise the crosswind component. And are your worst enemy when trying to keep the upwind wing down on roll-out and during taxi. Flaps are only useful when they are useful. Otherwise..... ahhh no.
I really thought that one Bonanza [that did end up going around] was going to stall right over the pavement; that was difficult to watch. As my flying journey has progressed to now being an airline pilot, I’m convinced even more that there’s simply no room for ego on the flight deck of whatever we’re flying. When that moment arrives that we know it’s time to power up and get out of there, let’s just do it! Swing around for another pass - no problem! If it’s really ugly, and sometimes it is, let’s go somewhere else! Safe flying 😎
I agree with you on that one... that one had me wincing in my seat and should have been a go-around the instant they were too high and dipped their left wing
Such a relaxing compilation of airplane landings. Many don't realize that the controllers instruct many of these planes to fly down to the mid point of the runway before touching down so that another plane can land simultaneously at the threshold. Also, controllers may rush you to vacate the runway immediately into the grass. You best do it too. My friend and I were nearly run down by a B-17 that landed right behind us. We barely were in the grass when he caught up and overtook us. We were in a Cessna 182. This occurred back around 1979 when we were young aviators. Now we are very old aviators lol!!
17:30 I'm assuming you're talking about this one? I'm guessing the issue was that he was still at landing power for his go-around, and was close to stalling? Obviously a non-pilot here!!Timestamps are helpful!
No matter how many times I've watch that aircraft, it makes me feel sick!!! Was sooooooo close to crashing and would have been right in front of thousands and seen around the world.
With that kind of crosswind component, it's amazing to me how many of the pilots in this video held in very little or no upwind aileron during the roundout and rollout phases of the landing. The P-51 @ 2:22, Aeronca @ 8:53, and T-6 @ 10:39 were some notable exceptions. Wonderful video!
The aeronca was flown very skillful, that was fun to watch. Also one of the few pilots not carrying waaay too much speed into the landing, as it seems.
@@mhoeltken I absolutely agree! I thought the Aeronca pilot demonstrated a damn near textbook example of how to execute a crosswind landing in a taildragger! Very well done!
The Chief has my airmanship award, followed by some some fine wave-off decisions from the C-47, Corsair, and F-16. I don't know Oshkosh operations, but understand more appropriate runways where available.
Interesting to watch. I am amazed at how many pilots stop flying the plane as soon as it is on the ground. Very few have the proper crosswind controls in and more then one has the upwind wheel rising. This would be a great video for CFIs to review with students.
Yea, all that planning and they finally get there to ruin their plane they’ve been polishing the whole month right in front of everyone, really bad crosswind skills. Then the slushventure kicks in with high winds to do more damage.
It’s definitely something that is required but there is always that relief of landing and the urge to relax and set everything to neutral…. The exact thing that you shouldn’t do. As you correctly said, keep flying the aircraft even on the ground.
@@romeomike3945 No matter what you are flying you must keep on flying it. I noticed several tricycle gear planes with the left wing lifting because people stopped flying on the runway.
As a pilot who flew this year and many years in the past I give great credit to this videographer. Nice editing. Amazing piloting skills and much respect to those aware enough to hide their pride and go around. You’ll meet old pilots, but you’ll not meet old, bold pilots. Nice work and thanks for posting
Very talented airmanship going on there but that 144R Bananza toward the end had me worried. And the 180 should’ve held in left aileron to prevent that right wing tip from dragging
The Tri-pacer and the Skyhawk who let their upwind wing come up were not using crosswind controls either. The 180 that hit the wing tip even helped the upwind wing upward. Best airmanship might be those who went around or those who refused 36 at Fisk.
@@bradleydobie3891 I've flown that airplane for 10 years and 930+ hours and that was in the top 5 toughest landings I've had. With an aft CG (80ish pounds of stuff in the back seat and baggage compartment) and half the runway already behind me, I considered trying to recover for about a half second before throttling up and going around. Nothing was bent or broken other than my pride...and no runways got shut down because of me.
@@cgtbrad unless they forget about you on downwind and never call your base turn. Ask me how I know. 😌 This was my 6th time flying in…1st issue I’ve had. 🤷🏼♂️ Great show, super fun, gotta stay alert!
This is the second time I've watched. Can someone please correct me if I'm wrong but I noticed two things common to most of the aircraft landing there. Firstly, lots of pilots were electing to use what looked like more than one stage of flaps and secondly, precious few pilots put aileron into the wind after touchdown. The crosswind appeared to be very strong and gusting. Flaps would only serve to encourage ballooning in my view. The use of ailerons on a wing in stalled attitude is a very powerful yaw tool which can be used to counter a strong crosswind in the last part of a landing roll.
@@LeppAviation I agree - great work! You even captured me walking in front of your camera at one point. 🤣 Sorry for getting in your way while filming the C-47!
I could be wrong, but as I recall they were requiring pilots to land on a particular colored spot to increase landing frequency. That, along with a gusty and stiff crosswind could make things a bit dicey.
I find it interesting that I see full flaps in many of these landings. I was taught to use only 10, maybe 20 deg flaps in windy conditions. My instructor would actually take me up in crosswind gusty conditions where I could barely read the airspeed indicator. So thankful for that. Heard many others had instructors cancel on them for wind conditions. Thoughts?
@@CFITOMAHAWK Flaps also increase lift and lower stall speed. So what you wind up with is an airplane that just keeps floating and refuses to quit flying while you wrestle with the crosswind component with reduced control authority. We saw a bunch of that in this video. Like others are commenting, my instructor also taught me to use 1 or 2 flap instead of 3, and increase landing speed by 5 or 10 because the slower you get, the less control authority you have. So by landing fast with less flap, you have better control authority getting it down close to the pavement and aligned with the centerline, and then it quits flying sooner instead of floating forever. You could tell the guys that did this because they got close to the pavement quick, and then thumped on when it quit flying. Which is arguably a little more effective than floating down the runway forever, while being pushed around by gusts over and over and over.......the other thing I noticed a lot in this video, is that very few pilots kept the aileron input in once they touched down. You need to keep the ailerons into the wind on rollout and taxi! The taildragger guy that ground looped, failed to do this and the wind got under his wing.
@@thekill2509 Also, if you keep the flaps in the flare, it wont float as much if you kept the right speed before flaring. And if you dont lower the wing, it will float more too.
I was a bit surprised to see that almost all planes have their flaps down. However, this runway seems long for most aircrafts, which makes it possible to land without flaps. In addition it seems that few of them keep the stick in the wind after touchdown
While I don't have time in all of these aircraft to speak to their characteristics specifically. At this event you have multiple aircraft landing on the same runway and even taxiways at the exact same time. There are colored markers that each landing aircraft has to target for landing. As a result a higher angle is sometimes needed.
The unknown is a light sport from Europe called a "shark." I saw one at Portsmouth when landing in an RV10 and he was headed out- it was so unique we had to ask over the radio what it was.
@@marcusfalconieri4576 Seems odd that they identified it as a "shark" over the radio- My son even wrote it on his kneeboard so we could look it up later.
I've looked for that V Tail that had trouble landing, departing Oshkosh but haven't found any video of that. Hopefully it was a lot less dramatic than his arrival.
It's common practice at both Air Venture and Sun-N-Fun to segment the runway to accommodate 3 or more A/C landing on the same runway at the same time. They place large colored circles on the centerline at various distances down the runway and instruct the arriving pilots to "go all the way down and land on the green circle." They don't want to hear you on the radio either. They call you by make, model, and color for instructions and the pilot acknowledges by rocking his wings. Going to Sun-n-Fun one year I was so busy listening to my air band radio and watching the steady stream of traffic that I passed the airport by 5 miles. Really fun to listen to, though.
Glad you pointed this out, as i was about to. Although many pilots when tasked with landing beyond their 'spot' when it was a long way down the runway, seemed to keep the piano keys as their aiming point, and then skim the runway 'til they reached their spot - instead of making the spot their aiming point and flying a normal approach to that point. Lots of them were applying power to keep flying, close to the ground, in a crosswind. Possibly not the best technique!
The aircraft at 11:15 is a Pelegrin Tarragon "Microlight"/Ultralight aircraft (according to FAI rules). It is produced in Latvia. But that guy flying the V-Tail Bonanza at 18:00 was "SCARY"!
Great video! I see some skilled aviators, but also an astonishing amount of poor x-wind technique. I don't think the Bonanza owner (N144R) knew how dangerously close he was to crashing that beautiful V-tail. Wow, just.....wow.
I might be right out of the ballpark here, but I would never make a slow, highly flared landing in those conditions. Minimal flaps, wing into the wind, plenty of speed and fly the windward main onto the pavement. I noted many aircraft did not have ailerons into the wind after touchdown.
So in your opinion, what was causing bumpyy landings? The Cross Wind Component, the Gusty-ness, or both? Several of these, including the Jets, had a bounce or two, before go around. Can't telll what they are strugfling with because their wings look pretty level. Not much visiblle roll axis instavility.
My guess is they came in with some extra speed as a buffer zone, which is a good idea in gusty conditions. That V-tail bonanza didn't seem to do that and it was pretty scary to watch him almost eat sh*t on his approach.
It would be good if a narrator had told us what the winds were and which runway the aircraft were on. As it is I just see landings and go-arounds. A camera scan to a windsock might have been useful.
The descriptions was great as so many look-a-likes are out. You could just tell the wind conditions, esp with the lighter aircraft's. Ho many go around's were there?
11:04 YL-DON looks like a modified SX-300 because of wing shape and vertical stabilizer. Mains look to be modified since stock SX-300s have the mains raked forwards. Hope this helps.
Hi. Why don't these light craft set flaps to zero as soon as they get their feet down? If you aren't going around, you want to stay DOWN, so flaps all the way out to get the thing off its tiptoes? So many float and float and then somehow FINALLY get down which is almost worse since they are feathers in the wind until all their weight is on the wheels. Go Around TOGA! - OR - [touchdown] Flaps Zero! ??? Thanks.
Anyone have an estimate how much the wing strike at 7:07 cost? Also curious if the guy did anything wrong other than landing with too high of a crosswind in that plane. looks like it just got lifted up and tossed sideways to me at too low a speed to have any meaningful control over.
5:00 On screen info is wrong. It claims the Piper Tri-Pacer (PA-22) landing is a “Raven S49A” and also says the registration is N70120 when it is actually N7012D. Further, N70210 is also a Piper, (J3) not a Raven S49A
Cool to see N2983 landing around the 10:40 mark. The owner lives out near me in eastern PA and I'll hear him coming from miles away. Those Texans really announce themselves.
i learned to fly in a 150. and yea they are not good in high winds. but my instructor was a guy that could fly just about anything and he showed me how to crab. crabbing is also good for loosing altitude . when needed .
The P51 Mustang at 13:32 tail number 413410 was originally 44-63350 . In July 2007 the pilot at the time, John Mckittrick, flipped the plane on his first solo landing attempt and died as a result. Aircraft was built in 1944 ....
Interesting lessons here , very few pilots landed wing low into the wind and most of them stopped flying the plane once the wheels touched down, they neutralized the ailerons instead of rolling full over as the plane slowed down.
I thought the exact same thing! You only your wing to pop up on you 1 time on a landing roll out to convince you to fly your airplane all the way down to taxi speed and in light airplanes, you fly her all the way to parking!
Beautifully videoed. Well done. Would have been a great day for the enthusiastic sideliners holding up their landing score cards lol The wings level, nil aileron into the wind landing methods seem to net a lot of dangerous low speed ballooning and floating.
Why do none (most?) of them not immediately raise flaps on touch-down (to cut lift)? Also, few seem to put "ailerons into the wind" on roll-out. Very good video, of course.
If you want to add the age of active USAF aircraft, the year of manufacture is in the tail number as a 2 digit number after the AF. So AF86 under the two letter base identifier would be built in 1986. Hope that helps.
Firstly, my apologies for a few of the aircraft ages being wayyyy off. I mainly go off what Flightradar24 gives me, but obviously some of them are very inaccurate.
Secondly, @4:56, it should be a Piper
PA-22 Tri-Pacer! Reg is also N7012D, not N70210, and it’s 65 years old. I probably should’ve checked to see that a Raven S49A is a balloon 😂 thanks to everyone that pointed that out.
I think we all knew what you meant 😅
G'day,
And, not only but also, you claim that a P-51 D Mustang is "61 years old"..., and that's how old I am, but in 1961 North AmeriKan was NOT building P-51s any more, and the DC-3 was NOT still being built in 1955, either...
What did you do, ignore the History Books - and then look up when the Airframes first went onto the Civilian Register ?
"Must Try Harder....!"
As one's School Reports used to say...
Such is life,
Have a good one...
Stay safe.
;-p
Ciao !
I'm a little confused. How is it a Pacer? I clearly see the nose wheel of a Tri-Pacer. Was it a conversion? Would be a strange thing for someone to do to a classic airplane.
It’s good to know so many are still interested in real facts - very interesting watch 😀👍
Thanks for correcting that. But, wow, as a real-life pilot, I was sweating out those landings as though I was in the airplanes! Taildraggers are a handful in a crosswind. I owned a SONEX which wasn't all that bad, really. But I've flown the J-3 and the Citabria and they DEMANDED your attention on landing. You aren't done flying a taildragger until you've shut 'er down.
I just want to salute every pilot who executed a go-around when things got dicey. That's the difference between an Aviator and a mere pilot. They saved their aircraft, and maybe themselves, regardless of how it looked, or what inconvenience it may have caused the controllers.
Dramatic much ?
100% agree: TOGA and try again.
Just a LITTLE bounce/"porpoise" on landing after floating like this and you'll bend, then BEAK the aircraft. Especially of you kiss the nose first and the leverage SLAMS down the rear of the airframe...
Go Around!
Props to the camera operator here. It can be difficult to keep an airplane in frame but every one of these landings is captured perfectly.
I appreciate the comment, thank you!!
Best crosswind landing I ever saw. Riding shotgun in a '46 Ercoupe, no rudder pedals. Steering 45 degrees into the wind. We tracked down to the runway like we were on rails. Right at the flare, he straightened us up and I heard a single chirp from the tires. RIP dad.
@11:05 - YL-DON is a Pelegrin Tarragon, a Latvian built ultralight.
Aeroshark?
Ist’s a Shark
Thanks for this video. I'm too old and don't have enough money to come to Oshkosh anymore. I miss it. Thanks again, Royce
I love the fact you show the type and age of the aircraft. It’s very helpful in identifying the older midels.
Very interesting! Brings me back to my CFI days teaching cross wind operations in tail draggers. What I would hammer in; for one ALWAYS keep your upwind wing low and NEVER let up. Secondly, as soon as it touches down FULL aileron into wind, right down to walking speed and even then, keep it there. I see time and again; when the wheels are on the ground, people relax and neutralise controls an thats where stuff goes bad...
Never be afraid to go around if you get a bad approach. Pride is much cheaper than a plane.
All my students were schooled that the landing was an option. What I see on this video are airplane drivers 'feeling' for the runway. I wonder how many of them practice crosswind approach and landing procedures with a good instructor? Most airplanes can easily handle at least twice the published crosswind limit. I once found myself in a situation of having to land in a PA 28 in a given cross wind of 40kts. The Piper had plenty of control ability available. Taxying was the real challenge.
Amen. Not done flying until it's tied down. Everyone's approach speed seems excessive beyond the extra for the crosswind. In tail-draggers in a heavy crosswind with a lot of runway: why flaps? By using flaps and reducing the airspeed at touchdown, they thereby raise the crosswind component. And are your worst enemy when trying to keep the upwind wing down on roll-out and during taxi. Flaps are only useful when they are useful. Otherwise..... ahhh no.
That's the way it's done. That technique works on nose-draggers too!😉
Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't recall seeing hardly anyone correcting for the crosswind after landing.
Hats off to the skillful pilots who accepted the challenge and succeeded in a safe crosswind landing!!!
Lots of rudder exercise in this video. This really is one of the best places to sit and watch A/C land. Great video, as always 👍
Not much aileron, which would have helped.
You good tell the MAULE pilot handles crosswinds on a daily basis. Well done
Beautiful video, thank you!!
I really thought that one Bonanza [that did end up going around] was going to stall right over the pavement; that was difficult to watch.
As my flying journey has progressed to now being an airline pilot, I’m convinced even more that there’s simply no room for ego on the flight deck of whatever we’re flying. When that moment arrives that we know it’s time to power up and get out of there, let’s just do it! Swing around for another pass - no problem! If it’s really ugly, and sometimes it is, let’s go somewhere else!
Safe flying 😎
I agree with you on that one... that one had me wincing in my seat and should have been a go-around the instant they were too high and dipped their left wing
What a great video and tribute to Dick. The book the next five minutes is a great read and your video is a great wrap up. Well done!
😂🎉😢😮😅
Such a relaxing compilation of airplane landings. Many don't realize that the controllers instruct many of these planes to fly down to the mid point of the runway before touching down so that another plane can land simultaneously at the threshold. Also, controllers may rush you to vacate the runway immediately into the grass. You best do it too. My friend and I were nearly run down by a B-17 that landed right behind us. We barely were in the grass when he caught up and overtook us. We were in a Cessna 182. This occurred back around 1979 when we were young aviators. Now we are very old aviators lol!!
So many aircraft here that are over decades old, yet still looking fresh & new 👌
Great footage ... thanks for sharing !!! Ciao from Italy !!!
Oshkosh, the NASCAR of aviation!
That V tail had me on the edge of my seat!
I hope they see this and learn. It clear in the video that he was toying with a near fatality. Wow.
17:30 I'm assuming you're talking about this one? I'm guessing the issue was that he was still at landing power for his go-around, and was close to stalling? Obviously a non-pilot here!!Timestamps are helpful!
@@carlwilliams6977 his approach was very unstable from the beginning. Good decision to go around
@@carlwilliams6977 He reminded me of Kyle Franklin's drunk pilot airshow act. It looked similar.
No matter how many times I've watch that aircraft, it makes me feel sick!!! Was sooooooo close to crashing and would have been right in front of thousands and seen around the world.
That was fun to watch!!
Awesome video! That was a beautiful 180. Hopefully he was able to get it fixed and fly it back home.
Best video yet. I learned a lot watching these guys!
With that kind of crosswind component, it's amazing to me how many of the pilots in this video held in very little or no upwind aileron during the roundout and rollout phases of the landing. The P-51 @ 2:22, Aeronca @ 8:53, and T-6 @ 10:39 were some notable exceptions. Wonderful video!
You are correct. There were only a couple that had the wing down !
To me it seem like the tail draggers tended to have better crosswind corrections and kept flying to the end of their ground roll in the video.
The aeronca was flown very skillful, that was fun to watch. Also one of the few pilots not carrying waaay too much speed into the landing, as it seems.
@@doncroyle1790 They need to. Otherwise the pilot is flown by the aircraft.
@@mhoeltken I absolutely agree! I thought the Aeronca pilot demonstrated a damn near textbook example of how to execute a crosswind landing in a taildragger! Very well done!
Thanks for naming the airplanes...cheers to all the pilots!
Chief at 8:56 was real sweet. Total confidence. Nice airplane too.
The Chief has my airmanship award, followed by some some fine wave-off decisions from the C-47, Corsair, and F-16. I don't know Oshkosh operations, but understand more appropriate runways where available.
Yup! Pilot in the Chief has it dialed in. Only on I could see fed in full aileron as the aircraft slowed during landing roll out.
Interesting to watch. I am amazed at how many pilots stop flying the plane as soon as it is on the ground. Very few have the proper crosswind controls in and more then one has the upwind wheel rising. This would be a great video for CFIs to review with students.
Yea, all that planning and they finally get there to ruin their plane they’ve been polishing the whole month right in front of everyone, really bad crosswind skills. Then the slushventure kicks in with high winds to do more damage.
@@tropicthndr the damage was minimal on Saturday from the storms. This was Sunday afterwards.
It’s definitely something that is required but there is always that relief of landing and the urge to relax and set everything to neutral…. The exact thing that you shouldn’t do. As you correctly said, keep flying the aircraft even on the ground.
@@romeomike3945 No matter what you are flying you must keep on flying it. I noticed several tricycle gear planes with the left wing lifting because people stopped flying on the runway.
Exactly.....well stated.
As a pilot who flew this year and many years in the past I give great credit to this videographer. Nice editing. Amazing piloting skills and much respect to those aware enough to hide their pride and go around. You’ll meet old pilots, but you’ll not meet old, bold pilots. Nice work and thanks for posting
LOVE this channel where you put up the names of the planes. Have been asking that for a long time. My favourite channel from now on. Keep on posting.
Thank you so much!
Very talented airmanship going on there but that 144R Bananza toward the end had me worried. And the 180 should’ve held in left aileron to prevent that right wing tip from dragging
I watched in person and i thought he was going to die for sure
The Tri-pacer and the Skyhawk who let their upwind wing come up were not using crosswind controls either. The 180 that hit the wing tip even helped the upwind wing upward.
Best airmanship might be those who went around or those who refused 36 at Fisk.
@@watashiandroid8314 I’m sure Definitely a learning Experience for all pilots who attempted a landing in that crosswind situation👍
Same. Thought we were about to watch him spin it in. It didn’t sound like he had full power in on the GA either.
Such a great action, fantastic video mate!
13:58 "gotta poop! Ain't got time for no damn crosswinds!" lol
That’s the tough thing about flying into Oshkosh you feel pressured to get it down the first time. you have to go back around and get in line.
Absolutely. I really liked the decision making at16:00. The second he got a bounce he didn't like he was gone. He didn't try to salvage a bad landing.
Thants a better line that the one at the hospital or repair shop. 🤪
@@bradleydobie3891 I've flown that airplane for 10 years and 930+ hours and that was in the top 5 toughest landings I've had. With an aft CG (80ish pounds of stuff in the back seat and baggage compartment) and half the runway already behind me, I considered trying to recover for about a half second before throttling up and going around. Nothing was bent or broken other than my pride...and no runways got shut down because of me.
You generally don't get sent to the back of the line for the whole Fisk procedure again. Tower will try to work you back in.
@@cgtbrad unless they forget about you on downwind and never call your base turn. Ask me how I know. 😌 This was my 6th time flying in…1st issue I’ve had. 🤷🏼♂️ Great show, super fun, gotta stay alert!
This is the second time I've watched. Can someone please correct me if I'm wrong but I noticed two things common to most of the aircraft landing there. Firstly, lots of pilots were electing to use what looked like more than one stage of flaps and secondly, precious few pilots put aileron into the wind after touchdown. The crosswind appeared to be very strong and gusting. Flaps would only serve to encourage ballooning in my view. The use of ailerons on a wing in stalled attitude is a very powerful yaw tool which can be used to counter a strong crosswind in the last part of a landing roll.
@8:38 the aircraft (blue & white) landing is a North American Navion. They built these aircraft on the same jigs as the P-51 Mustangs
I appreciate the all the research you did in chasing down the N numbers and type of airplanes! great Job!as well as the ages 😁🛫
All landings looked good to me..great camera man!!
Who ever filmed this is damn good...nice job.
Thanks so much! That means a lot!
@@LeppAviation I agree - great work! You even captured me walking in front of your camera at one point. 🤣 Sorry for getting in your way while filming the C-47!
Thanks for all the work on aircraft ID, info and N number data!! I learned a few I didn't know.
There was a mistake at 5:00. That was a Tri-Pacer, the D was confused for a 0.
Awesome capture! May I feature this Beech V35 Bonanza go around in one of my next episodes? Of course with a link back to your original video. Cheers!
Yeah absolutely!
Aircraft at the (11:05) mark looks like a Pelegrín Terragon from Latvia? 🙏👍🏻
On a good day, flying the 150 is like flying a leaf. Flying into this wind promotes the pucker effect!
the Comanche driver set it down like a boss
Thank you. Someone just shared this video with me. I love my Comanche.
I could be wrong, but as I recall they were requiring pilots to land on a particular colored spot to increase landing frequency. That, along with a gusty and stiff crosswind could make things a bit dicey.
That and all of the TH-cam “pilots” with less than 100 hours flying into that crazy scene so that they can get views
I find it interesting that I see full flaps in many of these landings. I was taught to use only 10, maybe 20 deg flaps in windy conditions. My instructor would actually take me up in crosswind gusty conditions where I could barely read the airspeed indicator. So thankful for that. Heard many others had instructors cancel on them for wind conditions. Thoughts?
Same here, a good instructor should put you into situations that may arise so you actually experience them and can therefore deal with them.
Crosswind was mild. It was a strong headwind mostly. and flaps help control speed.
@@CFITOMAHAWK Flaps also increase lift and lower stall speed. So what you wind up with is an airplane that just keeps floating and refuses to quit flying while you wrestle with the crosswind component with reduced control authority. We saw a bunch of that in this video. Like others are commenting, my instructor also taught me to use 1 or 2 flap instead of 3, and increase landing speed by 5 or 10 because the slower you get, the less control authority you have. So by landing fast with less flap, you have better control authority getting it down close to the pavement and aligned with the centerline, and then it quits flying sooner instead of floating forever. You could tell the guys that did this because they got close to the pavement quick, and then thumped on when it quit flying. Which is arguably a little more effective than floating down the runway forever, while being pushed around by gusts over and over and over.......the other thing I noticed a lot in this video, is that very few pilots kept the aileron input in once they touched down. You need to keep the ailerons into the wind on rollout and taxi! The taildragger guy that ground looped, failed to do this and the wind got under his wing.
@@thekill2509 You can use some flaps until short final. To control the descend and the speeds. Then cut them. Done that since 1997.
@@thekill2509 Also, if you keep the flaps in the flare, it wont float as much if you kept the right speed before flaring. And if you dont lower the wing, it will float more too.
What happened to the L-19 "Bird Dog" at the begining of the Video??? Much Damage???
10:40 how is that plane only 20 years old? weren’t t-6’s used as trainer way back in the 40’s?
YL-DON at 11:11 is a Pelegrin Tarragon. Great shots!
Brilliant videography!
Thanks
I was a bit surprised to see that almost all planes have their flaps down. However, this runway seems long for most aircrafts, which makes it possible to land without flaps. In addition it seems that few of them keep the stick in the wind after touchdown
I was thinking the exact same thing. You see a lot of them on the ground with the nose gear and one of the main wheels in the air.
While I don't have time in all of these aircraft to speak to their characteristics specifically. At this event you have multiple aircraft landing on the same runway and even taxiways at the exact same time. There are colored markers that each landing aircraft has to target for landing. As a result a higher angle is sometimes needed.
The unknown is a light sport from Europe called a "shark." I saw one at Portsmouth when landing in an RV10 and he was headed out- it was so unique we had to ask over the radio what it was.
not a shark but close that was a tarragon hence the RR on the tail shark has a pointed tail like a shark
@@marcusfalconieri4576 Seems odd that they identified it as a "shark" over the radio- My son even wrote it on his kneeboard so we could look it up later.
@@stephenyoung7267 11:20 th-cam.com/video/4hCf-MDKWXU/w-d-xo.html
@@stephenyoung7267 at 11:19 look at the tail you will see the RR for tarragon the shark is made by TL-ultralights two different planes that look alike
definitely not a Shark, but the Tarragon looks similar.
Kudos to those who chose to go around.👍
I've looked for that V Tail that had trouble landing, departing Oshkosh but haven't found any video of that. Hopefully it was a lot less dramatic than his arrival.
VERY VERY INTERESTING CROSS WINDS TODAY !!!
@5:00 that aircraft is a Piper Tri Pacer PA-22-150 N7012D not N70120
Thanks for pointing this out, my apologies!
@@LeppAviation only human
It's common practice at both Air Venture and Sun-N-Fun to segment the runway to accommodate 3 or more A/C landing on the same runway at the same time. They place large colored circles on the centerline at various distances down the runway and instruct the arriving pilots to "go all the way down and land on the green circle." They don't want to hear you on the radio either. They call you by make, model, and color for instructions and the pilot acknowledges by rocking his wings. Going to Sun-n-Fun one year I was so busy listening to my air band radio and watching the steady stream of traffic that I passed the airport by 5 miles. Really fun to listen to, though.
Glad you pointed this out, as i was about to. Although many pilots when tasked with landing beyond their 'spot' when it was a long way down the runway, seemed to keep the piano keys as their aiming point, and then skim the runway 'til they reached their spot - instead of making the spot their aiming point and flying a normal approach to that point. Lots of them were applying power to keep flying, close to the ground, in a crosswind. Possibly not the best technique!
Way cool! My wife and I owned 8494M, Cessna 182 (3rd from the end) from 1978 to 1990 in the Portland Oregon area. GO MIKE!
Oh that’s awesome! And a great landing to go along with it too 😉
At 18:35 ... What is the cause of the extreme landing gear wobble?
The aircraft at 11:15 is a Pelegrin Tarragon "Microlight"/Ultralight aircraft (according to FAI rules). It is produced in Latvia. But that guy flying the V-Tail Bonanza at 18:00 was "SCARY"!
That approach was scared. He just chopped and dropped and then took off to steeply. Someone was looking after him.
The V tail Bonanza mushing along there in the go-around really scared me.
Do they have any experimental aircraft here? I thought that's what EAA stood for???
Excellent, excellent close up shots of the landings! Well done.
That 150 coming in at 12:23 was great, even with just 10 flaps!
10 flaps is what you should do with crosswinds like that.
Great video! I see some skilled aviators, but also an astonishing amount of poor x-wind technique. I don't think the Bonanza owner (N144R) knew how dangerously close he was to crashing that beautiful V-tail. Wow, just.....wow.
I was yelling, POWER POWER POWER!
The pilot of N144R was behind the curve, way behind. I was expecting a stall- spin almost any second.
That’s exactly what I thought. He was his own worst enemy🥴
I might be right out of the ballpark here, but I would never make a slow, highly flared landing in those conditions. Minimal flaps, wing into the wind, plenty of speed and fly the windward main onto the pavement. I noted many aircraft did not have ailerons into the wind after touchdown.
@@Matt-mo8sl I was yelling get the gear up and nose down and power the hell outa there
Is jack roush still flying?
Good photography!!
Bonanza V-tail. Full power, nose pointing up, aircraft sinking down. That was close! I wonder if he/she is a doctor or dentist?
So in your opinion, what was causing bumpyy landings? The Cross Wind Component, the Gusty-ness, or both? Several of these, including the Jets, had a bounce or two, before go around. Can't telll what they are strugfling with because their wings look pretty level. Not much visiblle roll axis instavility.
My guess is they came in with some extra speed as a buffer zone, which is a good idea in gusty conditions. That V-tail bonanza didn't seem to do that and it was pretty scary to watch him almost eat sh*t on his approach.
Don't know what that Unknown silver aircraft is but it's damn nice..!!!
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pelegrin_Tarragon
11:21 it is a Pelegrin Taragon. A light European ultra from Latvia.
That's correct. A very interisting bird. Only 100 hp Rotax engine and cruise @~150kt, stall @~35kt 0.0... and a range of ~700nm.
It would be good if a narrator had told us what the winds were and which runway the aircraft were on. As it is I just see landings and go-arounds. A camera scan to a windsock might have been useful.
The descriptions was great as so many look-a-likes are out. You could just tell the wind conditions, esp with the lighter aircraft's. Ho many go around's were there?
Bonanza N144R: What are your intensions?
Wow. Thanks
11:04 YL-DON looks like a modified SX-300 because of wing shape and vertical stabilizer. Mains look to be modified since stock SX-300s have the mains raked forwards. Hope this helps.
Swearingen are side-by-side aircraft.
With all the wind, why not reduce flaps?
Hi.
Why don't these light craft set flaps to zero as soon as they get their feet down? If you aren't going around, you want to stay DOWN, so flaps all the way out to get the thing off its tiptoes?
So many float and float and then somehow FINALLY get down which is almost worse since they are feathers in the wind until all their weight is on the wheels.
Go Around TOGA! - OR - [touchdown] Flaps Zero!
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Thanks.
Anyone have an estimate how much the wing strike at 7:07 cost?
Also curious if the guy did anything wrong other than landing with too high of a crosswind in that plane. looks like it just got lifted up and tossed sideways to me at too low a speed to have any meaningful control over.
5:00 On screen info is wrong. It claims the Piper Tri-Pacer (PA-22) landing is a “Raven S49A” and also says the registration is N70120 when it is actually N7012D. Further, N70210 is also a Piper, (J3) not a Raven S49A
Beautiful capturing ❤
Great varieties 🤩
@11:04, that is a Pelegrin Tarragon.
Cool to see N2983 landing around the 10:40 mark. The owner lives out near me in eastern PA and I'll hear him coming from miles away. Those Texans really announce themselves.
That's because of the P&W 1340 radial. If you ever hear like an over Rev when he's flying that's the prop going super sonic
i learned to fly in a 150. and yea they are not good in high winds. but my instructor was a guy that could fly just about anything and he showed me how to crab. crabbing is also good for loosing altitude . when needed
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Great footage. The unknown aircraft looks like Blackshape Prime to me.
I believe it is actually a Pelegrin Terragon. They do look similar though.
The P51 Mustang at 13:32 tail number 413410 was originally 44-63350 . In July 2007 the pilot at the time, John Mckittrick, flipped the plane on his first solo landing attempt and died as a result. Aircraft was built in 1944 ....
Incredible video mate!
YL-DON is a Pelegrin Tarravon from Latvia...
Best trainer, ever: C150
Interesting lessons here , very few pilots landed wing low into the wind and most of them stopped flying the plane once the wheels touched down, they neutralized the ailerons instead of rolling full over as the plane slowed down.
I thought the exact same thing! You only your wing to pop up on you 1 time on a landing roll out to convince you to fly your airplane all the way down to taxi speed and in light airplanes, you fly her all the way to parking!
Beautifully videoed. Well done. Would have been a great day for the enthusiastic sideliners holding up their landing score cards lol The wings level, nil aileron into the wind landing methods seem to net a lot of dangerous low speed ballooning and floating.
Nice where was this at.
Why do none (most?) of them not immediately raise flaps on touch-down (to cut lift)? Also, few seem to put "ailerons into the wind" on roll-out. Very good video, of course.
No Ercoupes?
11:19 That's a Pelegrin Terragon!
That one at 11:05 is Tarragon. Aircraft manufactured by Latvian company
Falcon kit plane?
If you want to add the age of active USAF aircraft, the year of manufacture is in the tail number as a 2 digit number after the AF. So AF86 under the two letter base identifier would be built in 1986. Hope that helps.
Your mystery aircraft at 11:10 is a Pelegrin Tarragon, produced in Latvia. This aircraft has Latvian registration.
Missing type: Blackshape Prime?
Taildragger pilots are the best!