Staying on top from CE to H3 is much more meaningful than H4 to H5. H5 is the longest living title in the series and this benefits the H5 generation. Give H2 a 6 year dev cycle and the Ogres and Walsh would have reigned even more supreme.
its basically a generational thing. Everything after H3 kind of passed me by so naturally i look to some of the OGs as being ahead of players who came up after h3. The younger crowd who had most of their goolden days in the newer games would side with Lethal..... goes like that in every sport every era has their goat. Old school vs new school
I find myself in the same boat here. If we are talking straight skill, Lethul to me is clear #1. Old generation in anything is almost always better than old. But I look back at the h3 days and just remember the magic that was Ogre 2, Snipedown, Roy, Pistola, etc.
I’m in the same spot, but I think there’s validity to it. IMO the original trilogy was the golden age for halo as an esport, and with halo 2 & halo 3, in particular during the MLG era, Halo was THE top console esport, and definitely top 3 across all platforms. There’s a reason why plenty of non-halo fans know who Walshy is, yet have never heard of lethul; from Reach onward halo was barely a side act. There’s a lot of recency bias at play here, and IMO you should prioritise the H2 & H3 pros. Admittedly though, the guys who put together the list are very experienced and clearly know their stuff.
Wish that H5 Truth Flag last 16 seconds flag pull clip by him was in here. Took the game into overtime with the perfect timed flag pull so CLG could win it. That was like a NA qualifier tournament against Envy back in 2016 or 2017. So epic and describes his clutch "dirty work"
We need a competitive documentary like how they did with smash bros melee and if microsoft can buy the mlg brand and bring it back to life it could help catapult halo infinite even more with the nostalgic feeling it will bring like how sony did with Evo they have the best fighthing game circuit .
@@iAMJaws Bro lethul has 16 championships while Ogre 2 has 40 I never said lethul was better what makes the better halo player is the championships not the game they played on
@@iAMJaws you got that right. Anything after halo 3 doesn't count as a halo game in my books. The player base was practically dead come halo 4 and 5. Halo 3 had millions of concurrent players day in, day out. To be the best in halo 2 and 3 actually meant something
To put lethul Over snipe down they obviously didn’t see the h3 tournament where lethul lost to snipe down in there 1v1 as well as snipe downs team winning the whole tournament
Ogre 2 > because he was top2 in H1 and the best in H2. Lethul is like Ogre 2 post H2 where he’s getting wins but he’s not the best player on his team. Lethul might have the results and longevity to be put here but I don’t think he was ever the best player in the game at any point in time. That’s why you gotta put Ogre 2 at #1.
Remember taking Lessings from him in Halo:Reach. Lethul changed how I played Halo forever. His understanding of the game is just insane. Those 30 minutes I paid for changed me as a player forever
Frosty saying he values modern games higher is gross. Does he not realize the sheer number of sold out 256 team events from back in the day. That’s over 1000 people on a venue. Frost has experienced like a 80 team tournament. Guess what, more teams a in person tournaments makes them more impressive.
Qualifiers for worlds had over 300 teams sign up, you're just ignorant. Halo 5 also has the highest skill gap of any Halo. And before you start on some dumb shit, I went to events in CE-3, and I still play a ton of CE. You're just a dingus
LMAO yeah they act like the people actually gave a shit post halo 3/reach. Theres a reason you're winning bud its because no one gives a shit about the halos you played.
@@FPSBloodlust he said reach too but i also think he meant the competitive scene dumbed down alot, i mean you gotta admit the comp scene really did die when h4 and 5 were out. noone really liked the games and wanted to compete to be the best. the games player bases were way different. you're talking millions for h3 then during 4 and after it dropped significantly. i mean 4 and 5 are known as the worst halo games unless you're the newage pros that blew up in those 2 games that think theyre better. most of halos fan base died because of those games and before you say its cause they got older... ya kind of cant cause most of the scene is coming back because infinite is actually good compared to the last 2 games. but i will say this, i do agree lethul deserves to be in the top 5 and i respect him as a player and everything hes accomplished
I’m a halo old head too I love H2 & H3 - all you guys whining in the comments section need to watch this dude play and check the resume, it’s legit a perfect POV
"I don't know if he'll win the audience over..." is probably one of the most true things said in this video. I don't even think he was the best on the last two of his teams, cause in EG it was Snipedown and in Tox it was Frosty. But, he always had the knack to join the better team and help them win, so I give him credit for that. They really did struggle to find good highlights of his plays though haha.
@@afraidaI’ll have to fact check that but I get what you’re saying but please don’t forget Ola has been dominant in almost every game. I also give more weight to halo 1-3 winnings ( But that’s just me). I noticed lethul in reach and after. I don’t see how he can be higher than Ola.
I probably could have been on this list IF....... I watched pro players back in halo 1 and 2 days and really understood the difference between playing ranked as an above average player and competitive elite pro players in mlg and how they played. Because I stayed home from school everyday playing halo 2 stayed up all night playing halo 2 that continued with halo 3 I played reach but not as much same with 4 and 5. But had I committed and for example really studied what separates these players from the rest i put the time in 200% maybe even more time than these guys in the early days but I never took that step forward because I didn’t know it existed. I totally wouldn’t be top 25 by the way just day dreaming
Nicest guy ever. I went to an event one time and seen him, he was filling in for all the teams that only had 3 people in pool play. Always thought that was awesome.
@@cnna12392 that's why he beat ola and Roy, and teamed with Roy, right? Because he was so much worse and not at all on the same level? You kids are morons
dont get me wrong here, i agree lethul deserves his spot in the top 3, idk about 2 but i deff respect him and see him as one of the greats but h4 and h5 just werent it. i dont think many people cared about the competitive scene as much as the first 3 and even reach. Frostys comment at the end is a lil out there, no offense to him. accolades and longevity... thats still ogre 2, he was in the top from 01/02 to 2011/2012.. lethul doesnt have as many wins and hes been winning since 2014 in 2 of the least populated halo games and thats only 2. tom was top in ce,2,3, and reach. i know tom got the number 1 spot but this is just me responding to what frosty said.
Yeah Frosty also said that the competition back in the day were a bunch of “plumbers”. Clearly he didn’t really follow ce and h2. There were plenty of disgusting people playing against the ogres.
its so funny as a halo 1-3 boomer who quit around reach time, I have no idea who this guy really is but he is #2 all time. IMO halo kinda died after H3 but it is surprising to see how much competitive scene there was after I quit
Right, I remember being recommended his channel and thought he must be a fatrat or mint blitz type but on halo 5, didn't know he was winning championships lol I didn't even know they did championships for halo 5 thought that would bring zero viewers...how did the reward get to 1mill that's crazy
Obviously it's 2ger and Lxthul for the #1 and #2, and an argument could and should be made for them both to be #1. But anyone saying Ogre 1 should be in the top 5 is just fanboying the name. There is no way Ogre 1 is above Walshy
Okay but this list is biased towards the new games. Some of these guys don't have the achievements OGRE1 has, let alone Walshy. The guys dominating H5 are also getting the benefit of Infinite's long dev process. Give Walsh and the Ogre's a dev cycle of 6 years for H2 and they'd have dominated even longer. This list is a joke. These guys aren't on OLA's level. I'm sorry. They shouldn't even rank above Walshy.
@@orielsy damn pass the hatorade bro you've had enough, you can disagree with a ranking without talking down about them. Respect their achievements my man
@@orielsy I mean if the newer players were around when halo of was popular with more events. Can’t really say their careers would have the same numbers. Just a crazy hypothetical
lmao. To be honest, he probably said that about every player. He probably say that about Naded too who didn't even make the list for his lack of joining god-squads
Smh Goldenboy... but yeah, stats dont lie. I mean, we can honestly say Lethul is the King of the modern era, but I guess it's kind of like asking yourself who do you prefer, Tupac or Lil Peep?
The competition in the last decade pales in comparison to the 00's. These current GOATs have largely won much smaller, invite-only, protected 'World Championships' on much less popular, dead Halo games. The competition from CE-3 was extremely fierce and there were no protections. It's not these newer guys fault if they were too young to be present in that era but you can't actually take this list seriously when it's basically a love-letter/ad to current Halo pros to hype up the Infinite lineage. It's pretty patethic how revisionist and 'what have you done for me lately' this list really is. Call me a Halo boomer but you newer Halo players that have no issue with 4/5 are the exact reason why Halo is dead. You don't understand what makes Halo--Halo. Halo has been chasing current trending games and CoD money for the past decade. Devolved into a generic shooter that has lost it's identity. If you want to stake a claim that the winning-est players of this time compare favorably to a decade of Halo being played with many more people competing, with less financial incentive and far more valuable tournament wins than I guess ignorant zoomers will doom us all, won't they? Before you wig out on my comment, I'm not discrediting people like Lethul's actual skill/contributions. I've no doubt he would probably prove his status but that's the point, it's an assumption/guess. It can't be proven, and can't throw him back in time and see how things would've shaken out and to not attribute weighting to a very obvious competition/interest/skill discrepency in both games/popularity is extremely sus.
THANK YOU FOR ARTICULATING WHAT IS PISSING EVERYONE OFF. FUCK $ 2.5 MILLION OR WHATEVER. THATS NOTHING COMPARED TO THE TOURNAMENTS THAT DWARFED WHAT THEY HAVE NOW. AMATEUR TOURNEYS ALL OVER EVERY STATE, TV SHOWS, G4, ALL THAT DWARFS HOW THEY THREW CASH AT A COUPLE H5 TOURNAMENTS AND CALLED IT WORLDS... to stop losing players to cod shhh 🖕
I am an H2/H3 kid as well, but Halo 5 has the highest skill gap of all Halo 5 games. Leaving away the fact if it is fun or not, but it is the highest skill Halo of all time. And Frosty being the best player of the most difficult Halo 5 game make his accomplishments for example good
This is the best comment I’ve read on this entire countdown. I couldn’t agree with you more. It hurt me to see Walshy at the #8 spot… if it wasn’t for Walsh and the other Halo pioneers, Halo wouldn’t be what it is today. They need to revise this list and get ACTUAL Halo experts to rank these players, not just a bunch of guys who started playing Halo in 2016.
@@selvakannan2548 No one cared about h5 sorry to burst your bubble their viewer numbers for "world championship" were a complete joke for that kind of stage not to mention the later halos were 10x easier than h1-3.
Halo 5 has the highest skill gap of any Halo by like a lot. The same competitors were still present in 5 as reach, Roy, Box, Ola, Snipedown, 2gre, etc. Y'all are absolute clown shoes if you think post halo 3 competition wasn't anything but more competitive and higher level.
@@basedgod8636 literally every Halo 5 event had more views than any H3 event, genius, by like a lot. Between TH-cam, twitch and other streaming platforms it had more views than any other Halo. But because you think Halo stopped in 08 it must be true huh? 🤣👍
They put too much credit to the h5 era. The best players are playing other games. While during the og halos it was the only game in town so the competition was so much more difficult. Got to give alot of credit to orges roy lunch pistola walsh t2 gandhi snipedown strongside ace apg etc etc
@@Willburrrrr he could be good for all I know. After h2 I played h3, and i have only played h3 since 2007 to the present day. I'm 48 in hard-core and have never seen anyone called lethal so for all I know he plays h5. Which I don't rate personally as a game worth playing. But hey there's a lot of people in the world, people like different things
To have this dude over walshy, Ogre1, Roy, ola, and strongside is disrespectful af. Whomever made the list needs to be slapped and removed from the halo world.
The people that say some mixture of “who is this” and/or “competition was harder when there were more teams, so his success doesn’t count” are just delusional and too stuck in their ways to have any valuable opinions about this list. First of all, just because there aren’t more teams, doesn’t mean the competition is less fierce. There’s a reason there was an open bracket, that top 8 teams would always run through to pools. It didn’t matter if there were 20/60/300/1000/5000 teams, FB still always made it to the finals. The same principle applies here. EG/CLG/OPT/TOX/SEN would always have made it to where they were anyways. If you doubt that, then you doubt the hypothetical that FB would’ve always made Finals if there had been another 1000 teams competing. He beat the Godsquad and won a Reach event during their peak, which is a feat in itself. He hated H4 just like everyone else. He teamed with Roybox and dominated H2A. Then transitioned to dominance in the most mechanically skillful Halo ever. I’m not even some super fan of his, but the dude deserves credit where credit is due. The pros do, old and new alike. Yes, even Ogre2.
Halo 5 suffered from lack of competition. The player pool in halo 3and aspiring to be pros far outnumbered halo 5. It was much harder to remain consistent as a result. Halo 5 had 4ish teams that were even noteworthy due to so many pros leaving during thr title. It was a great game just suffered from the attrition started by reach
Love these vids, but it’s funny that literally every one ends with “in my opinion… [insert name] is the greatest Halo player of all time.” Every video says the same damn thing!
All the people saying Lethul is the best are too young to remember Final Boss. At the end of the day, whatever generation you belong to, stats will solve this issue. And no one stands anywhere closer to Ogre 2.
Incorrect Stats don't tell you the story Half or more of the events Ogre 2 won in halo CE had 30 or less teams competing There were 15 events in 2005 And they has never been as many events as there were then The second highest number of events was 10 in 2004. Then the next was 7 in 2006. Lethul would have just as many wins if not more if they were the same amount of events each year for halo
Incorrect. From 2006-2008 there were a minimum of 156-200+ teams each event. Final Boss won the majority of those tournaments including 2 of the 3 national tournaments.
Its good that Ogre2 is #1. That way it will light a fire under Sentinels ass to overthrown the #1. Ogre2 at the #1 spot will not survive one more Halo. By the way, the leader Snakebite should be #2
MP guys will NEVER be the king or best in the world to me......Sorix, Garish, Monopoli, Scurty, SlothSG, byNailz, Cambid, Chronos, Bynailz, Jervalin, Thesus, JoshFJ, etc. are just so much more impressive
"has finished top 3 or better in every halo event since 2014" Holy shit man
when i heard that i was like holy fuck dudes insane no matter team or game
insane
I had to stop and count too
Isn’t this the end of h4 and then all of h5
Staying on top from CE to H3 is much more meaningful than H4 to H5. H5 is the longest living title in the series and this benefits the H5 generation. Give H2 a 6 year dev cycle and the Ogres and Walsh would have reigned even more supreme.
OGRE2 IS THE ONLY CORRECT ANSWER FOR THE HALO GOAT
no ifs, ands, or buts about it. placing top 2 in 40 straight tourneys is unheard of.
ummmmm MaNiaC????
@@rickycrete3587 stop. It isn't even a contest.
@@rickycrete3587 maniac is not in the same league as ogre2
Yep, it's solidified. No one can change it. He will always be the goat period.
its basically a generational thing. Everything after H3 kind of passed me by so naturally i look to some of the OGs as being ahead of players who came up after h3. The younger crowd who had most of their goolden days in the newer games would side with Lethal..... goes like that in every sport every era has their goat. Old school vs new school
I find myself in the same boat here. If we are talking straight skill, Lethul to me is clear #1. Old generation in anything is almost always better than old. But I look back at the h3 days and just remember the magic that was Ogre 2, Snipedown, Roy, Pistola, etc.
Most reasonable and accurate response ever. Applied to everything. Well done.
except there has been no real following of halo and the games have been subpar, really cant compare
I’m in the same spot, but I think there’s validity to it. IMO the original trilogy was the golden age for halo as an esport, and with halo 2 & halo 3, in particular during the MLG era, Halo was THE top console esport, and definitely top 3 across all platforms. There’s a reason why plenty of non-halo fans know who Walshy is, yet have never heard of lethul; from Reach onward halo was barely a side act. There’s a lot of recency bias at play here, and IMO you should prioritise the H2 & H3 pros. Admittedly though, the guys who put together the list are very experienced and clearly know their stuff.
Not necessarily. A lot of these newer player rose to the top only because the old goats retired.
Wish that H5 Truth Flag last 16 seconds flag pull clip by him was in here. Took the game into overtime with the perfect timed flag pull so CLG could win it. That was like a NA qualifier tournament against Envy back in 2016 or 2017. So epic and describes his clutch "dirty work"
The lack of OGRE 1 on this list, is unspeakably silly.
TJ the only player who would take of Hysteria's face for the ovk regardless of what team he's on
I like to think he did it on purpose to force the enemy team to spawn blue lift
Pistola is more fitted for number 2 spot
Yeah, snakebite and lethul being put ahead of pistola is just silly.
2:33 The word Lethal means something deadly. TJ is so Lethul, even his own teammates die from him.
We need a competitive documentary like how they did with smash bros melee and if microsoft can buy the mlg brand and bring it back to life it could help catapult halo infinite even more with the nostalgic feeling it will bring like how sony did with Evo they have the best fighthing game circuit .
MLG doesn't exist anymore!
sadly no one will ever pass ogre 2 IMO because h2 and h3 was pinnacle halo.
It's not about the game it's about how many championships lethul has against ogre 2
@@rainstorrrm4337 no
@@iAMJaws Bro lethul has 16 championships while Ogre 2 has 40 I never said lethul was better what makes the better halo player is the championships not the game they played on
@@rainstorrrm4337 nope its the game bro. H4 don't mean jack.
@@iAMJaws you got that right. Anything after halo 3 doesn't count as a halo game in my books. The player base was practically dead come halo 4 and 5. Halo 3 had millions of concurrent players day in, day out. To be the best in halo 2 and 3 actually meant something
To put lethul Over snipe down they obviously didn’t see the h3 tournament where lethul lost to snipe down in there 1v1 as well as snipe downs team winning the whole tournament
You moron snip3down and Lethul competed with each other for years and Lethul always comes out on top. Look at tournament placings.
Also most people in the comments agree so that in fact makes you the moron
Ogre 2 > because he was top2 in H1 and the best in H2. Lethul is like Ogre 2 post H2 where he’s getting wins but he’s not the best player on his team. Lethul might have the results and longevity to be put here but I don’t think he was ever the best player in the game at any point in time. That’s why you gotta put Ogre 2 at #1.
i dont even think he has the longevity tho. ogre was winning since ce til 2012. thats 10 years, lethul has been winning since 2014.
Ogre 2 was never the best on his team post Halo 2 either he has Pistola then Snakebite and Royal 2
Makes the game easier for everyone else on his team, the guy is the halo Swiss Army knife
Remember taking Lessings from him in Halo:Reach. Lethul changed how I played Halo forever. His understanding of the game is just insane. Those 30 minutes I paid for changed me as a player forever
Frosty saying he values modern games higher is gross. Does he not realize the sheer number of sold out 256 team events from back in the day. That’s over 1000 people on a venue. Frost has experienced like a 80 team tournament. Guess what, more teams a in person tournaments makes them more impressive.
Qualifiers for worlds had over 300 teams sign up, you're just ignorant. Halo 5 also has the highest skill gap of any Halo. And before you start on some dumb shit, I went to events in CE-3, and I still play a ton of CE. You're just a dingus
@@FPSBloodlust online teams. Not. The. Same. Thing.
These are simmered teams paying 250$ each to enter not free entry garbage throw your hat in teams
@@jameskillbot2867 qualifiers weren't strictly online, but ok kid
@@jameskillbot2867 lmao @ you thinking it was free to play too
Walshy and ogre 2 are the goat. lethul don't come close. He rose to dominance during the downfall of Halo.
Who tf is this guy lmao
LMAO yeah they act like the people actually gave a shit post halo 3/reach. Theres a reason you're winning bud its because no one gives a shit about the halos you played.
Tell me you're bad at halo without telling me
@@basedgod8636 lmao because Ola, 2gre, Roy, Box, Snipedown, Heinz, etc quit after Halo 3 or "didn't care", right? 🤣👍 You're a 🤡
@@FPSBloodlust he said reach too but i also think he meant the competitive scene dumbed down alot, i mean you gotta admit the comp scene really did die when h4 and 5 were out. noone really liked the games and wanted to compete to be the best. the games player bases were way different. you're talking millions for h3 then during 4 and after it dropped significantly. i mean 4 and 5 are known as the worst halo games unless you're the newage pros that blew up in those 2 games that think theyre better. most of halos fan base died because of those games and before you say its cause they got older... ya kind of cant cause most of the scene is coming back because infinite is actually good compared to the last 2 games. but i will say this, i do agree lethul deserves to be in the top 5 and i respect him as a player and everything hes accomplished
Ogre 2
Pistola
Ogre 1
Walshy
Snip3down
Lethul
Roy
Royal 2
Snakebite
Lunchbox
Snip3 is not above Lethul you can argue Pistola but definitely not Snip3
What has Lethul done besides h3 grassroots and h5? im honestly curious i didnt play or follow h5
I put Pistola, Walsh and Ogre 1 above any h5 players.
I’m a halo old head too I love H2 & H3 - all you guys whining in the comments section need to watch this dude play and check the resume, it’s legit a perfect POV
"I don't know if he'll win the audience over..." is probably one of the most true things said in this video. I don't even think he was the best on the last two of his teams, cause in EG it was Snipedown and in Tox it was Frosty. But, he always had the knack to join the better team and help them win, so I give him credit for that. They really did struggle to find good highlights of his plays though haha.
So I’m pretty sure Ola has won more than lethul and is still competing. Yet he’s 4. Lethul is #4 imo. Ogre 2, Ola, Ogre1
Lethul has 28 1st place finishes it looks like compared to 23 from Ola. Lethul also has 2 World Championships that you can't discredit.
@@afraidaI’ll have to fact check that but I get what you’re saying but please don’t forget Ola has been dominant in almost every game. I also give more weight to halo 1-3 winnings ( But that’s just me). I noticed lethul in reach and after. I don’t see how he can be higher than Ola.
Ola has less wins get over it
Ola hasn't done shit in like 7 years while Lethul is the best in the world over that period. It's clear who stopped watching halo after 2014 lol
@@AndyNick211 clearly it’s you lol. Ola was part of Team Envy, one of the best teams and actually won pro league championship in 2016.
This guy is nowhere near better than Pistola.
I probably could have been on this list IF....... I watched pro players back in halo 1 and 2 days and really understood the difference between playing ranked as an above average player and competitive elite pro players in mlg and how they played. Because I stayed home from school everyday playing halo 2 stayed up all night playing halo 2 that continued with halo 3 I played reach but not as much same with 4 and 5. But had I committed and for example really studied what separates these players from the rest i put the time in 200% maybe even more time than these guys in the early days but I never took that step forward because I didn’t know it existed. I totally wouldn’t be top 25 by the way just day dreaming
2:30 I remember watching that shit live. I was dying laughing.
Nicest guy ever. I went to an event one time and seen him, he was filling in for all the teams that only had 3 people in pool play. Always thought that was awesome.
This is way too high if you ask me
Then you clearly know nothing about halo lol
Literally nobody asked you
I agree. Lethul was non-existent until Reach. No way in the hell he’s better than Pistola or Roy.
@@cnna12392 that's why he beat ola and Roy, and teamed with Roy, right? Because he was so much worse and not at all on the same level? You kids are morons
@@cnna12392right he’s younger than the other guys he didn’t play really at all in H3, that was also 4 competitive titles ago haha
Lethul has been absolutely CARRIED on any team he's ever been on.
dont get me wrong here, i agree lethul deserves his spot in the top 3, idk about 2 but i deff respect him and see him as one of the greats but h4 and h5 just werent it. i dont think many people cared about the competitive scene as much as the first 3 and even reach. Frostys comment at the end is a lil out there, no offense to him. accolades and longevity... thats still ogre 2, he was in the top from 01/02 to 2011/2012.. lethul doesnt have as many wins and hes been winning since 2014 in 2 of the least populated halo games and thats only 2. tom was top in ce,2,3, and reach. i know tom got the number 1 spot but this is just me responding to what frosty said.
Lethul is a cheat in halo 6
Yeah Frosty also said that the competition back in the day were a bunch of “plumbers”. Clearly he didn’t really follow ce and h2. There were plenty of disgusting people playing against the ogres.
its so funny as a halo 1-3 boomer who quit around reach time, I have no idea who this guy really is but he is #2 all time. IMO halo kinda died after H3 but it is surprising to see how much competitive scene there was after I quit
Never heard of em. And won't re,member him since he wasn't in halo 3
Right, I remember being recommended his channel and thought he must be a fatrat or mint blitz type but on halo 5, didn't know he was winning championships lol I didn't even know they did championships for halo 5 thought that would bring zero viewers...how did the reward get to 1mill that's crazy
Most based and funny halo player 😆
"lol" - Everyone
OGRE 2 for #1 or we RIOT!
lethul with the gucci shades and balenciaga hat, what a fucking baller
Almost thought they were going to troll us and put TJ in front of Ogre 2. at least they got that one right! Carry Lethul Gaming!!!
1- Ogre2, 2-Ola, 3-Lethul, 4-Snip3down, 5/6 Roy/Lunchbox, 7-Ogre1, 8/9 Snakebite/Royal2, 10- Walshy, 11-T2, 12- Elamite. My list but I’m glad ogre2 got 1st
I feel like modern comp is on a whole other level then og halo comp. not everyone was so willing to travel for LAN events back then.
Props to Lethul. Now just hope they do screw us over by having anyone else than 2gre as #1
Don't*
Lethul huh.. isn't that the kid FormaL carries?
Ok first off it was Ogre 1 and 2 with Walsh then then it was snipe down ,then Roy and Box so plz plz plz don’t skip some serious halo shit man
Obviously it's 2ger and Lxthul for the #1 and #2, and an argument could and should be made for them both to be #1. But anyone saying Ogre 1 should be in the top 5 is just fanboying the name. There is no way Ogre 1 is above Walshy
Igoturlistola is better
Okay but this list is biased towards the new games. Some of these guys don't have the achievements OGRE1 has, let alone Walshy.
The guys dominating H5 are also getting the benefit of Infinite's long dev process. Give Walsh and the Ogre's a dev cycle of 6 years for H2 and they'd have dominated even longer.
This list is a joke. These guys aren't on OLA's level. I'm sorry. They shouldn't even rank above Walshy.
@@orielsy damn pass the hatorade bro you've had enough, you can disagree with a ranking without talking down about them. Respect their achievements my man
@@orielsy I mean if the newer players were around when halo of was popular with more events. Can’t really say their careers would have the same numbers. Just a crazy hypothetical
So Sentinels have 4 of the Top 10 best players in the history of Halo according to this list... Guess that they will be the team to beat
He is the best in the game right now, but he will never be OGRE 2. Final thought 💭
Where is Tsqaured ????
We all know who #1 is gonna be, so I don't even have to call it.
Ppl forget lethul was placing top 32 in the h3 days as well.
Need OpTic back in Halo for Infinite😣
This aged well lol
They didn't even mention his silver medal
At least the top 2 weren't screwed up lol
...anything after halo 3 is "a child's toy" *Back to the future*
I see Goldenboy was prob the reason for a lot of trash placings on this list.
I saw that too, so dumb
Facts!
lmao. To be honest, he probably said that about every player. He probably say that about Naded too who didn't even make the list for his lack of joining god-squads
the hysteria kill counts as an over
Congrats to Lethul!
whew at least Ogre 2 wasn't number 2
For real lol
You cant value competition the same as '07 vs '22
Yes you can
2007 had higher competition
maniac and goldenboy bits are more money than roy's BR
Smh Goldenboy... but yeah, stats dont lie. I mean, we can honestly say Lethul is the King of the modern era, but I guess it's kind of like asking yourself who do you prefer, Tupac or Lil Peep?
yup, exactly...
He's aight tbh
i hoped to see OGRE 1 on number 2
Should have been
Who made this list?
Many halo pro players
Totally wrong…
The competition in the last decade pales in comparison to the 00's. These current GOATs have largely won much smaller, invite-only, protected 'World Championships' on much less popular, dead Halo games. The competition from CE-3 was extremely fierce and there were no protections. It's not these newer guys fault if they were too young to be present in that era but you can't actually take this list seriously when it's basically a love-letter/ad to current Halo pros to hype up the Infinite lineage. It's pretty patethic how revisionist and 'what have you done for me lately' this list really is.
Call me a Halo boomer but you newer Halo players that have no issue with 4/5 are the exact reason why Halo is dead. You don't understand what makes Halo--Halo. Halo has been chasing current trending games and CoD money for the past decade. Devolved into a generic shooter that has lost it's identity. If you want to stake a claim that the winning-est players of this time compare favorably to a decade of Halo being played with many more people competing, with less financial incentive and far more valuable tournament wins than I guess ignorant zoomers will doom us all, won't they?
Before you wig out on my comment, I'm not discrediting people like Lethul's actual skill/contributions. I've no doubt he would probably prove his status but that's the point, it's an assumption/guess. It can't be proven, and can't throw him back in time and see how things would've shaken out and to not attribute weighting to a very obvious competition/interest/skill discrepency in both games/popularity is extremely sus.
THANK YOU FOR ARTICULATING WHAT IS PISSING EVERYONE OFF. FUCK $ 2.5 MILLION OR WHATEVER. THATS NOTHING COMPARED TO THE TOURNAMENTS THAT DWARFED WHAT THEY HAVE NOW. AMATEUR TOURNEYS ALL OVER EVERY STATE, TV SHOWS, G4, ALL THAT DWARFS HOW THEY THREW CASH AT A COUPLE H5 TOURNAMENTS AND CALLED IT WORLDS... to stop losing players to cod shhh 🖕
I am an H2/H3 kid as well, but Halo 5 has the highest skill gap of all Halo 5 games. Leaving away the fact if it is fun or not, but it is the highest skill Halo of all time. And Frosty being the best player of the most difficult Halo 5 game make his accomplishments for example good
This is the best comment I’ve read on this entire countdown. I couldn’t agree with you more. It hurt me to see Walshy at the #8 spot… if it wasn’t for Walsh and the other Halo pioneers, Halo wouldn’t be what it is today. They need to revise this list and get ACTUAL Halo experts to rank these players, not just a bunch of guys who started playing Halo in 2016.
@@Gamertaaag lol H5 was trash
@@dkoli Perhaps but stillt the most competitive piece of trash out there
Lethul isn't even the strongest on Sentinels
Mainly because they’ve settled into roles . The whole roster is godlike ..
This list sucks. Only one that was accurate was Ogre2 at #1.
Lethul said he’s better than Ogre2 🥴🥴
He is lol, wait till infinite is over and see who has won more, of course ogre 2 has won more until this day just look at his age compared to lethul’s
OGRE 2 is Jordan, Lethul is Lebron.
he is good because there is almost no competition in Halo anymore. Pro Halo was dead after Halo 3.
Walshy #1 & ABUSEDGOAT #2
The worst pick in the entire list. Lethul is absolute trash and got carried for the large part of his career.
Very stupid comment
🔱 Oh Hell NaW... I'm the ONE AND ONLY KING... The HaLoKinG
The disrespect is REAL!
Halo died at h3
Its sad they keep hyping him up but sorry to burst your bubble but the competition in post halo 3 was a joke.
Enlighten us. How?
@@selvakannan2548 No one cared about h5 sorry to burst your bubble their viewer numbers for "world championship" were a complete joke for that kind of stage not to mention the later halos were 10x easier than h1-3.
Halo 5 has the highest skill gap of any Halo by like a lot. The same competitors were still present in 5 as reach, Roy, Box, Ola, Snipedown, 2gre, etc. Y'all are absolute clown shoes if you think post halo 3 competition wasn't anything but more competitive and higher level.
@@basedgod8636 literally every Halo 5 event had more views than any H3 event, genius, by like a lot. Between TH-cam, twitch and other streaming platforms it had more views than any other Halo. But because you think Halo stopped in 08 it must be true huh? 🤣👍
@@FPSBloodlust look at you getting emotional over a shitty game
nice team n wins when you have 4 of the top 25 on your team lmao
Pistola. List is whack.
2GRE AND LETHU1
They put too much credit to the h5 era. The best players are playing other games. While during the og halos it was the only game in town so the competition was so much more difficult. Got to give alot of credit to orges roy lunch pistola walsh t2 gandhi snipedown strongside ace apg etc etc
i dk who this dude is but i grew up on halo 2 and the ogres. sry lethal lol neeeeext
Hes too high on the list it makes no sense
I would like to go pro but ik I could not do it
Played halo for 20 years and never heard of lethul. Is he a modern halo player? Not an og player from decades ago?
New age average player. He’s basically the new age Elamite Warrior from Str8 rippin no idea how he’s so high
@@Willburrrrr maybe he's friends with the uploader?
@@Willburrrrr he could be good for all I know. After h2 I played h3, and i have only played h3 since 2007 to the present day. I'm 48 in hard-core and have never seen anyone called lethal so for all I know he plays h5. Which I don't rate personally as a game worth playing. But hey there's a lot of people in the world, people like different things
Who?
Where did all that Infinite talk go. They haven't done much
This was made before halo Infinite released
Ill fight people lmao!
he would fight and get his neckbeard ass whooped
To have this dude over walshy, Ogre1, Roy, ola, and strongside is disrespectful af. Whomever made the list needs to be slapped and removed from the halo world.
The people that say some mixture of “who is this” and/or “competition was harder when there were more teams, so his success doesn’t count” are just delusional and too stuck in their ways to have any valuable opinions about this list. First of all, just because there aren’t more teams, doesn’t mean the competition is less fierce. There’s a reason there was an open bracket, that top 8 teams would always run through to pools. It didn’t matter if there were 20/60/300/1000/5000 teams, FB still always made it to the finals. The same principle applies here. EG/CLG/OPT/TOX/SEN would always have made it to where they were anyways. If you doubt that, then you doubt the hypothetical that FB would’ve always made Finals if there had been another 1000 teams competing. He beat the Godsquad and won a Reach event during their peak, which is a feat in itself. He hated H4 just like everyone else. He teamed with Roybox and dominated H2A. Then transitioned to dominance in the most mechanically skillful Halo ever. I’m not even some super fan of his, but the dude deserves credit where credit is due. The pros do, old and new alike. Yes, even Ogre2.
Halo 5 suffered from lack of competition. The player pool in halo 3and aspiring to be pros far outnumbered halo 5. It was much harder to remain consistent as a result.
Halo 5 had 4ish teams that were even noteworthy due to so many pros leaving during thr title. It was a great game just suffered from the attrition started by reach
That's my goat
Absolute NONSENSE lmao
Love these vids, but it’s funny that literally every one ends with “in my opinion… [insert name] is the greatest Halo player of all time.” Every video says the same damn thing!
All the people saying Lethul is the best are too young to remember Final Boss. At the end of the day, whatever generation you belong to, stats will solve this issue. And no one stands anywhere closer to Ogre 2.
Incorrect
Stats don't tell you the story
Half or more of the events Ogre 2 won in halo CE had 30 or less teams competing
There were 15 events in 2005
And they has never been as many events as there were then
The second highest number of events was 10 in 2004. Then the next was 7 in 2006.
Lethul would have just as many wins if not more if they were the same amount of events each year for halo
Incorrect.
From 2006-2008 there were a minimum of 156-200+ teams each event. Final Boss won the majority of those tournaments including 2 of the 3 national tournaments.
@@friendofthelowly Lethul won 2 halo world championships which are basically halo national championships
These people would get absolutely destroyed in H1 competitive lmaooo
h1 and h2
H1 competitive champs for 100 bucks
Snakebite > lethul
Should have been Ogre 1 at #2
Its good that Ogre2 is #1. That way it will light a fire under Sentinels ass to overthrown the #1. Ogre2 at the #1 spot will not survive one more Halo.
By the way, the leader Snakebite should be #2
idk bro Ogre2 is basically Jordan. Reached that level where nobody will be able to pass him
My goat
dang the newer versions of halo look corny as shit lol
Skinny cartman
MP guys will NEVER be the king or best in the world to me......Sorix, Garish, Monopoli, Scurty, SlothSG, byNailz, Cambid, Chronos, Bynailz, Jervalin, Thesus, JoshFJ, etc. are just so much more impressive
Funny Joke
Campaign takes no skill
They won't be remembered
Who?
in my opinion ogre 2 could be Montana and Lethul could be Brady
Nah
Idc what anybody says. Those eyes don’t lie, they have pain pill addict all over them.