Oh I fully believe she set her up. She knew what was going to happen. But what about all those kids in the house that heard what was going on and did NOTHING?!
Why is an 18 year old daughter even trying to set up her “14 year old” sister with a guy anyways? She’s still too young to be involved with a 17 year old guy! 🤬 Maya is unhinged and needs to be kept away from Lia. She has to humble her? Oh hell no! She wouldn’t be allowed my daughter after her behavior and attitude. OP is concerned about Lia’s new boyfriend, but I wonder if Lia wants him near her for protection. 🤔 It’s what makes the most sense to me. She’s afraid to be alone and if she can have a guy around her, she feels safer.😢
It could be she just has a boyfriend now because she wants some semblance of power back that was taken from her when she got attacked. A not so untypical thing for victims of these situations. But in endeffect we can just guess.
"it takes years to prosecute" um only if they fight it hard... I really hate that redditors decide to judge a story without obviously reading the actual story
Yes it does take time. However, those redditors just look at the story told without taking into account the time line. OP didn't write her post, including updates as it was taking place and in just 5/6 days. They're also not considering that as time goes on, OP is going to learn a lot more about Maya, Leigh, and the whole situation.
@@lindah3803 Except that there was no trial, as OP clearly pointed out. They had overwhelming evidence against them and they pleaded guilty. Hence no long, drawn-out trial. Just a sentencing, which takes a day and gets express treatment rather than being put in queue behind other trials.
@@nehcrum It can. However, it did take longer in this case. The court hearing/sentencing wasn't set immediately. The court gave some time for OP to get her into therapy. Also OP talked about the impact statement that she had written and originally wanted to read herself. Then later decided to use a recording of her statement. They already had all the guys involved in the attack locked up. With the talk of deals. With how everything went down. The nature and details of what took place. A prosecutor isn't going to rush through it. They want Leigh to have "her day".
Well you see, random 16 year olds on Reddit think they know more than they really do which is why the give the worst possible advice imaginable. Even better when they redditsplain how somebody is supposed to cope with trauma
The standout thing that points to a setup is that Maya left the house and Lia unattended to go get food. And when she came back didn't check on Lia even when there was a commotion coming from Lia's room.
@@asherdales I guess it's how psychopaths are. She didn't care what happened to her since she did wanted to set her sister and that person up knowing he has a criminal record
Did it say when Maya got back. I don't remember off hand. I do know that OP was told that the assault lasted for at least 2 hrs. I believe Maya did set the whole thing up. It definitely could have been for drugs. I think it was more to get back at her sister for the affair with her BF. OP talked about Maya being upset about it. She never mentioned any punishment for Leigh.
@@lindah3803 I think OP said that Maya was back in the house after it started but was "thinking that people were just having an argument." Also I don't think that the sister's ex bf thing was an affair. Iirc it was him who had a thing for a 12 year old at the time so I don't know what punishment there could be for Lia.
@@asherdales I just referred to it as an affair because OP had said there was a bunch of messages that were flirty and that they had kissed when Maya was out of the room. I remember OP mentioned that people thought someone was having an argument upstairs. I thought it was what the other people who attended the party said. I don't remember OP saying that Maya was home during the attack. I'm going to have to listen to this story again. Although I've heard it a couple times before, just on different channels.
After reading the whole story earlier despite not really a fan of SA reddit stories. Maya is indeed a psychopath who completely set everything up to get her little sister SA and wtf sets their sibling up to get with a rapist? That is so wrong in many ways. However, it did felt like Maya was practically guilt tripping or whatever the correct word is, her sister into forgiving her since being 14 is still young and easily can be manipulated by others. Just my opinion, nothing else. But honestly, this story made my brain go all haywired. Second thing, Op did seem naive at first that she didn't know her first daughter could do that stuff. There were signs, weren't there? Like Maya had something up her sleeve before the SA happened.
Also OP being super hard on herself because she didn't handle the aftermath of breaking the news to Maya about her cheating bf grooming her younger sister in the "best way". I thought how she handled it seemed fine, and if it wasn't, that doesn't make her responsible for what happened to Lia. That's solely on Maya
@@charityquill4965 True. All of what happened to them will take a lot of time for them to heal. Op needs to learn not to be hard on herself after what everything that happened. Maya should've been thrown into prison and I don't know how the justice system works in Op's country but the ones who SA'd the daughter should've gotten a longer sentence. On the side note, I do remember reading the youngest daughter have got a bf. I think it's a bit too soon for that.
@@deadsouljaguar7041 oh no yeah. Maya is definitely hellbound. Her reaction to her crush saying he liked her little sister wasn't rage at the crush but to hold a grudge about it against her flesh and blood. Not even going deep in why His reasons for liking the sister was sus in the first place. She said screw that my younger sister is to blame. Not the 18 year old who just admitted to liking her kid sister in a sexual way.
@@Ando1428 Yeah, honestly I saw a comment that Maya reminded them of Karla Homolka and I did search it up. The crime between what Maya and Karla did was little bit similar especially when their partner had a thing for their little sister.
"Op did seem naive at first that she didn't know her first daughter could do that stuff. There were signs, weren't there? Like Maya had something up her sleeve before the SA happened." OP mentions that she works in a hospital, so I believe that is a tribute to not knowing Maya well enough to realize, plus she never knew the extent of her case until afterwards. So yes, she might've been naive, but if you work in the medical field, you'd know how easy it is to miss things inside your home
Obviously this isn't the most important detail, but I found it somewhat shocking that the staff of the mental facility that Lia was committed to after her attempt were even considering restricting her contact with her mother. Of course every mental health situation is different and that might be something that needs to be done in certain situations, but in this case I don't see how that would even remotely help. Especially as a punishment for not engaging in group activities, she's a 14-year-old SA victim, I wouldn't expect her to engage in much of anything.
That's a common practice from what I've read. I was in a mental facility when I was 15 y/o as well and they did this exact same thing to me. It's supposed to help you get up and do stuff when you're really depressed, but honestly? It was very traumatic as a teenager, scared and lonely in a really harsh place.
That really bothered me too, I was committed once for wanting to die, and they let me go on walks with my parents pretty much whenever they were there. I don't remember much from the first few months, but I think they visited pretty much daily. And I had a time after I wasn't so heavily medicated anymore where I didn't want to see them because I felt so guilty, the hospital wouldn't let them to me if I didn't want them too. What I'm saying is that there are definitely better ways to help people and that that hospital in the story is definitely a bad one. Especially because they made her have a therapy session with only a male doctor present, who ever thought that was a good idea should be fired.
My wife is pregnant with our first, and we just learned it's a girl... Shit like this has been keeping me up at night. Scorched earth wouldn't even come close.
Seen half the story on Tik tok a while ago but seeing the full story… damn this was a tough one to get through. Really hope these 2 are ok now. Hope maya has a bad life fr fr
My now deceased great friend Fabien the fabnificent actually completely blinded, maimed and mutilated an assaulter who was another friends mothers boyfriend of many years, and it stopped for several years after childhood but when she got older it started its advances and more brazenly flirting and then touching alot, and she ran away at 16 and lived near but with friends and it used contacts in police to find her and bring her to its home and it drunkenly forcefully kissed her right in front of her "mother" who ignored it and then the tongue and she started screaming and fighting it off and it open hand hit her then push kicked her! Then it said she bit its nose even though no marks and the mother demanded she go to her room but then left the house to go to a vfw to drink and left it with her, she thought they both left so she cane out and was ambushed by it standing quietly in the dark hallway, and tried to full on assault her, she pulled a mirror down from the wall on it and fled. Then later that night police arrested her for serious charges and refused to even hear her allegations and when she was released she refused to go home until fab said hed handle it and he did! He escaped all repercussions entirely, he actually did all his legendary epic levels of vengeance for his loved ones, born in the gutter, rose to be a nearly millionaire by 22 with the connections he made in his life, and had 3 wonderful brilliant children and a most ideal wife although they never officially married, they had an unofficial ceremony and a quite memorable 3 day trip with friends to a private lake and that resulted in 2 couples meeting and marrying and having children but unfortunately in 2020 he suddenly passed away in an accident but he achieved more than most ever will with full lives and opportunities.
I’m so sorry OP but I understand how you feel. Are you sure her sister didn’t set her up? Your moves and feelings are valid. Wow, her sister hates her that much? Your oldest is horrible. Please report that therapis. Now that’s just my opinion.
Have both of the therapist sit down and have a conversation with each other they’ll both see more clearly that one of them is a narcissist who told 20 people about her sisters assault for attention.💀
This situation is far beyond Reddit’s pay grade. OP is way too hard on herself I don’t think any parent would expect one daughter to betray another in one of the most vilest way possible because she was dating a pedo who has an attraction to a 12 year old at the time while OP was working and raising them on her own. I hope OP and Leah can heal through this and Maya I’m sure has a villa in hell waiting on her.
I am confused about something- The OP says that nobody knew anything bad had happened to her daughter until the next morning, after the party where she was raped, but then she says that her daughter was arrested the night her sister was attacked. Which one is it?
@@sigdrifahildr2624 I didn't say she allowed the grooming she omitted it from the story she didn't want to make younger look like a lolita type and omitting relevant information about the two daughters relationship in the story showing why one is malicious toward the other does it make the younger look bad nooo she was 12 does it make the older look worse not initially but it gives a perspective on the two of thems relationship and show that the older one was in fact awful in the long run and her downplaying makes her a terrible mother.
If you heard half the crap that happened to me, you’d swear that I was some sort of attention seeking liar. It’s too fantastical and unreal-that’s what you would think. But I swear to god on the people that I love it is the truth-and truth is often stranger than fiction. Wild stories do happen to people, wildly bad things do happen to people. It does happen. I feel like it happens far more frequently in low income communities where there is a rougher crowd. That’s been my experience as a child from that community. It only stopped once I worked my way up out of that misery pit of humanity and got into a better life. In this story there is mention of drug abuse and gangs. You do the math on that crap that comes with that lifestyle and suddenly the story looks very very plausible.
I want you to look at the world. Really hard. I want you to see all of the absolute madness in the world. This absolute, complete clown world. And THIS seems like the fake thing to you? This kind of thing happens all the time, why does it seem fake? Because it's so bad? Well suck it up buttercup. This is a horrible world, and awful, terrible things like this happen. A lot. And worse things happen. A lot. This is honestly one of the most simple, common kinds of scenarios that could have happened. If you think THIS os fake, then oh you sweet summer child, you have been sheltered. So, so sheltered.
Imagine thinking your daughter deserves to be rewarded after trading her sister for substances. You must be one of the ropist or one of their family members
Mia set her sister up in every way. Including leaving the house so it couldhappen.
Yep
Oh I fully believe she set her up. She knew what was going to happen. But what about all those kids in the house that heard what was going on and did NOTHING?!
I strongly disliked the daughter when 1st heard this horrific tale. Momma didn't think her baby could do something so awful. Yup. 😮
"...though she wished they all got 14 years."
Yeah, Lia shouldn't worry too much. I don't think none of them would last 6 years.
Why is an 18 year old daughter even trying to set up her “14 year old” sister with a guy anyways? She’s still too young to be involved with a 17 year old guy! 🤬 Maya is unhinged and needs to be kept away from Lia. She has to humble her? Oh hell no! She wouldn’t be allowed my daughter after her behavior and attitude.
OP is concerned about Lia’s new boyfriend, but I wonder if Lia wants him near her for protection. 🤔 It’s what makes the most sense to me. She’s afraid to be alone and if she can have a guy around her, she feels safer.😢
It could be she just has a boyfriend now because she wants some semblance of power back that was taken from her when she got attacked. A not so untypical thing for victims of these situations.
But in endeffect we can just guess.
"it takes years to prosecute" um only if they fight it hard... I really hate that redditors decide to judge a story without obviously reading the actual story
Yes it does take time. However, those redditors just look at the story told without taking into account the time line. OP didn't write her post, including updates as it was taking place and in just 5/6 days. They're also not considering that as time goes on, OP is going to learn a lot more about Maya, Leigh, and the whole situation.
@@lindah3803
Except that there was no trial, as OP clearly pointed out. They had overwhelming evidence against them and they pleaded guilty. Hence no long, drawn-out trial. Just a sentencing, which takes a day and gets express treatment rather than being put in queue behind other trials.
@@nehcrum It can. However, it did take longer in this case. The court hearing/sentencing wasn't set immediately. The court gave some time for OP to get her into therapy. Also OP talked about the impact statement that she had written and originally wanted to read herself. Then later decided to use a recording of her statement. They already had all the guys involved in the attack locked up. With the talk of deals.
With how everything went down. The nature and details of what took place. A prosecutor isn't going to rush through it. They want Leigh to have "her day".
Well you see, random 16 year olds on Reddit think they know more than they really do which is why the give the worst possible advice imaginable. Even better when they redditsplain how somebody is supposed to cope with trauma
The standout thing that points to a setup is that Maya left the house and Lia unattended to go get food. And when she came back didn't check on Lia even when there was a commotion coming from Lia's room.
@@asherdales I guess it's how psychopaths are. She didn't care what happened to her since she did wanted to set her sister and that person up knowing he has a criminal record
@deadsouljaguar7041 Yea and it's plausible what OP suspected that Maya sold Lia to him for drugs.
Did it say when Maya got back. I don't remember off hand. I do know that OP was told that the assault lasted for at least 2 hrs.
I believe Maya did set the whole thing up. It definitely could have been for drugs. I think it was more to get back at her sister for the affair with her BF.
OP talked about Maya being upset about it. She never mentioned any punishment for Leigh.
@@lindah3803 I think OP said that Maya was back in the house after it started but was "thinking that people were just having an argument."
Also I don't think that the sister's ex bf thing was an affair. Iirc it was him who had a thing for a 12 year old at the time so I don't know what punishment there could be for Lia.
@@asherdales I just referred to it as an affair because OP had said there was a bunch of messages that were flirty and that they had kissed when Maya was out of the room.
I remember OP mentioned that people thought someone was having an argument upstairs. I thought it was what the other people who attended the party said. I don't remember OP saying that Maya was home during the attack.
I'm going to have to listen to this story again. Although I've heard it a couple times before, just on different channels.
After reading the whole story earlier despite not really a fan of SA reddit stories. Maya is indeed a psychopath who completely set everything up to get her little sister SA and wtf sets their sibling up to get with a rapist? That is so wrong in many ways.
However, it did felt like Maya was practically guilt tripping or whatever the correct word is, her sister into forgiving her since being 14 is still young and easily can be manipulated by others. Just my opinion, nothing else. But honestly, this story made my brain go all haywired.
Second thing, Op did seem naive at first that she didn't know her first daughter could do that stuff. There were signs, weren't there? Like Maya had something up her sleeve before the SA happened.
Also OP being super hard on herself because she didn't handle the aftermath of breaking the news to Maya about her cheating bf grooming her younger sister in the "best way". I thought how she handled it seemed fine, and if it wasn't, that doesn't make her responsible for what happened to Lia. That's solely on Maya
@@charityquill4965 True. All of what happened to them will take a lot of time for them to heal. Op needs to learn not to be hard on herself after what everything that happened. Maya should've been thrown into prison and I don't know how the justice system works in Op's country but the ones who SA'd the daughter should've gotten a longer sentence. On the side note, I do remember reading the youngest daughter have got a bf. I think it's a bit too soon for that.
@@deadsouljaguar7041 oh no yeah. Maya is definitely hellbound. Her reaction to her crush saying he liked her little sister wasn't rage at the crush but to hold a grudge about it against her flesh and blood. Not even going deep in why His reasons for liking the sister was sus in the first place. She said screw that my younger sister is to blame. Not the 18 year old who just admitted to liking her kid sister in a sexual way.
@@Ando1428 Yeah, honestly I saw a comment that Maya reminded them of Karla Homolka and I did search it up. The crime between what Maya and Karla did was little bit similar especially when their partner had a thing for their little sister.
"Op did seem naive at first that she didn't know her first daughter could do that stuff. There were signs, weren't there? Like Maya had something up her sleeve before the SA happened." OP mentions that she works in a hospital, so I believe that is a tribute to not knowing Maya well enough to realize, plus she never knew the extent of her case until afterwards. So yes, she might've been naive, but if you work in the medical field, you'd know how easy it is to miss things inside your home
Obviously this isn't the most important detail, but I found it somewhat shocking that the staff of the mental facility that Lia was committed to after her attempt were even considering restricting her contact with her mother. Of course every mental health situation is different and that might be something that needs to be done in certain situations, but in this case I don't see how that would even remotely help. Especially as a punishment for not engaging in group activities, she's a 14-year-old SA victim, I wouldn't expect her to engage in much of anything.
That's a common practice from what I've read. I was in a mental facility when I was 15 y/o as well and they did this exact same thing to me. It's supposed to help you get up and do stuff when you're really depressed, but honestly? It was very traumatic as a teenager, scared and lonely in a really harsh place.
That really bothered me too, I was committed once for wanting to die, and they let me go on walks with my parents pretty much whenever they were there. I don't remember much from the first few months, but I think they visited pretty much daily. And I had a time after I wasn't so heavily medicated anymore where I didn't want to see them because I felt so guilty, the hospital wouldn't let them to me if I didn't want them too. What I'm saying is that there are definitely better ways to help people and that that hospital in the story is definitely a bad one. Especially because they made her have a therapy session with only a male doctor present, who ever thought that was a good idea should be fired.
Oh mah gawd. The comments to OP 😮
Do you really expect keyboard warriors giving perfect advice as know-it-all armchair psychologists?
My wife is pregnant with our first, and we just learned it's a girl... Shit like this has been keeping me up at night. Scorched earth wouldn't even come close.
Seen half the story on Tik tok a while ago but seeing the full story… damn this was a tough one to get through. Really hope these 2 are ok now. Hope maya has a bad life fr fr
This was a Law and Order SVU episode
My now deceased great friend Fabien the fabnificent actually completely blinded, maimed and mutilated an assaulter who was another friends mothers boyfriend of many years, and it stopped for several years after childhood but when she got older it started its advances and more brazenly flirting and then touching alot, and she ran away at 16 and lived near but with friends and it used contacts in police to find her and bring her to its home and it drunkenly forcefully kissed her right in front of her "mother" who ignored it and then the tongue and she started screaming and fighting it off and it open hand hit her then push kicked her! Then it said she bit its nose even though no marks and the mother demanded she go to her room but then left the house to go to a vfw to drink and left it with her, she thought they both left so she cane out and was ambushed by it standing quietly in the dark hallway, and tried to full on assault her, she pulled a mirror down from the wall on it and fled. Then later that night police arrested her for serious charges and refused to even hear her allegations and when she was released she refused to go home until fab said hed handle it and he did! He escaped all repercussions entirely, he actually did all his legendary epic levels of vengeance for his loved ones, born in the gutter, rose to be a nearly millionaire by 22 with the connections he made in his life, and had 3 wonderful brilliant children and a most ideal wife although they never officially married, they had an unofficial ceremony and a quite memorable 3 day trip with friends to a private lake and that resulted in 2 couples meeting and marrying and having children but unfortunately in 2020 he suddenly passed away in an accident but he achieved more than most ever will with full lives and opportunities.
I’m so sorry OP but I understand how you feel. Are you sure her sister didn’t set her up? Your moves and feelings are valid. Wow, her sister hates her that much? Your oldest is horrible. Please report that therapis. Now that’s just my opinion.
Shame on Mia for putting her sister in that predicament. 😡
Maya, actually
There is a special place in hell for Maya and her friends.
I’m pretty sure there’s a villa waiting in hell for them.
Have both of the therapist sit down and have a conversation with each other they’ll both see more clearly that one of them is a narcissist who told 20 people about her sisters assault for attention.💀
I don't know what I would do if this happened to anybody in my family
Maya reminds me of Karla Homolka!
For sure.
Me too!
Agree!
This situation is far beyond Reddit’s pay grade. OP is way too hard on herself I don’t think any parent would expect one daughter to betray another in one of the most vilest way possible because she was dating a pedo who has an attraction to a 12 year old at the time while OP was working and raising them on her own. I hope OP and Leah can heal through this and Maya I’m sure has a villa in hell waiting on her.
I am confused about something- The OP says that nobody knew anything bad had happened to her daughter until the next morning, after the party where she was raped, but then she says that her daughter was arrested the night her sister was attacked. Which one is it?
her daughter was arrested the morning after the party while the other daughter was being taken to the hospital
Is this a repost
this was posted before the story got an update, this is the updated version :)
@@X_Shadow_Wolf_Xthanks
So with the admitting of the grooming OP is a terrible mother.
When did the mother admit to allowing grooming?
@@sigdrifahildr2624 I didn't say she allowed the grooming she omitted it from the story she didn't want to make younger look like a lolita type and omitting relevant information about the two daughters relationship in the story showing why one is malicious toward the other does it make the younger look bad nooo she was 12 does it make the older look worse not initially but it gives a perspective on the two of thems relationship and show that the older one was in fact awful in the long run and her downplaying makes her a terrible mother.
@GMWILD87 good reply I didn't think of it that way
@@GMWILD87 hii, can you please use commas or punction? I legit could not read that until the 5th attempt. However, I see your point!
what is sa
SA is short for Sexual Assault
It means sexual assault
Sexual assault
sexual assault
Sexual assault.
This just feels selfishly fake
If you heard half the crap that happened to me, you’d swear that I was some sort of attention seeking liar. It’s too fantastical and unreal-that’s what you would think. But I swear to god on the people that I love it is the truth-and truth is often stranger than fiction. Wild stories do happen to people, wildly bad things do happen to people. It does happen. I feel like it happens far more frequently in low income communities where there is a rougher crowd. That’s been my experience as a child from that community. It only stopped once I worked my way up out of that misery pit of humanity and got into a better life. In this story there is mention of drug abuse and gangs. You do the math on that crap that comes with that lifestyle and suddenly the story looks very very plausible.
@@macylouwho1187 sure it does. Well, I’ll leave ya too your “delusions”. These reddit stories are fake anyway. 🤷♀️
I want you to look at the world. Really hard. I want you to see all of the absolute madness in the world. This absolute, complete clown world. And THIS seems like the fake thing to you? This kind of thing happens all the time, why does it seem fake? Because it's so bad? Well suck it up buttercup. This is a horrible world, and awful, terrible things like this happen. A lot. And worse things happen. A lot. This is honestly one of the most simple, common kinds of scenarios that could have happened. If you think THIS os fake, then oh you sweet summer child, you have been sheltered. So, so sheltered.
lmao suing your own kid just because she's happy is such a big L move
try harder
Imagine thinking your daughter deserves to be rewarded after trading her sister for substances. You must be one of the ropist or one of their family members
Bait
@@kumakiel8850 definitely