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Hi Vincent! became known number zones new miniled sony x95k: 65" 432 zone, 75" 600, 85" 768. Proof avsforum threads sony miniled x95k, page 103, post №2057.
@@neykovmaster No needs a 2k tv either you are right, but no one needs entertainment anyways, no needs to have fun, its not a fundamental need. You buy this because you like it and can afford it. your comment is not only rude but stupid and useless.
Grats ... I'm somewhat jealous :-) ... I'll be getting mine by end of this year ... letting firmware and sales prices mature in the meantime ... I'll replace my (16,300 hrs used) 65C7, which still shows breathtaking pictures and without having any issues so far. Have fun :-))
I went from a 65" C9 to the 77" G2. I thought about a 65" QD OLED but wanted to go with a bigger screen being I have a dedicated room for my Home theater. My one big negative is the mounting hardware. The mount itself is great, but the screws and wall anchors don't seem to be matched well. When we put the Wall Anchors in, the screws would just turn the anchors once they got around half way in, making them useless. We ended up making a secondary wall with pinewood and 3 locations. The upper portion where the mount was to be attached, middle and lower 3rd, so the Tv would sit flush. All the pine board was secured into studs at 3 different locations, and this ended being a much better solution given even if the wall anchors did work since we wouldn't have been able to hit any studs. As for the picture itself, I absolutely love the TV, big improvement over my previous C9. I don't have a PC hooked up to it as my PC is in my office/game room connected to a Samsung Neo G9. However I think this fall when the new GPUs come out I'll build a gaming system for the theater room and any controller based games I'll play on the G2.
Can u go into like a "Vincent mode" and explain in detail how much better it is than the c9. I have a 77 c9 n been waiting for the Sony a90j to go down in price. I have the g1 in 55 but don't see a big improvement over my c9 ,maybe a bit clearer . ty
@@camarykaren there wont really be a big improvement from a woled to another. It is a bit brighter yes.. but its just white light anyway and u will lose even more colour saturation bright hdr scenes. 750nits is the sweet spot for woled and it was designed that way.
@@camarykaren I'm no tech expert like Vincent but I'll do what I can from an average person's point of view. It's noticeably brighter in all aspects. That's the most obvious, both in SDR and in HDR. Everything just has little more punch in terms of color and detail. Probably do to the increased brightness of the panel. In my theater room when I'm watching movies or shows at night I run it with a bias back light on only So during certain scenes say in space where they pan to a large star or in a dark scenes when they pan to a bright light say a flashlight, it can be almost blinding. I never got that with my C9. Motion seems a bit smoother, still have a bit of that OLED judder when panning during scenes but it's not as bad. Also the ABL, hasn't been noticed at all. My C9 especially in prolonged dark scenes it would kick in all the time. Then there's the obvious, screen size. 77" is much more immersive then the 65". I moved up my seats in the room to keep the same viewing distance as when I had my C9. So the combination of all those factors make a big difference in overall experience. I felt the weak link in my home theater has always been the immersion factor of the TV. Now that' no longer the case. Now if only streaming services would upgrade their bitrate on their audio.
Vincent was bamboozled by increased white-subpixel output. This G2 has 12% decreased color volume compared to last year's G1. And will not do orange flames as a result. Apparently they aren't simply driving the panel harder as Vincent was lead to believe, but more specifically driving the white sub-pixel harder, leading to increased color dilution and lack of color volume. G1 - DCI-P3 volume 86.3% G2 - DCI-P3 volume 77.8% An entry level LCD from 2019 has higher color volume than an LG G2. For those unfamiliar, you need 100% color volume, to produce the entire range of colors in a given color space. -DCI-P3 being the commonly used color-space in HDR. The greatest trick the G2 ever pulled was tricking a "Calibrator" into believing the brightness gain was actually being done correctly. *Nope!* LG using the same old aproach of increasing brightness by straight up diluting the colors with added White light. Only this time much more than ever before! Breaking that 1000 nits barrier was very important now, for obvious reasons, who needs colors? Said only LG. A Samsung S95B Oled actually have 120% DCI-P3 coverage, meaning that it can fully produce the entire color spectrum of DCI-P3 and well into the even larger color-space BT-2020. It also have 20% wider color-gamut. 40% higher color volume 33% higher peak brightness Vastly improved viewing angles Vastly improved screen-uniformity Free of WRGB near-black gradiation. True RGB No wonder people think it looks so good. But most likely Vincent will find the most conservatively graded 200 nits - Rec.709 material he can scrape up, to use in his comparison. making sure that everything showcased can exist within the narrow confines of LG G2's specifications. Can't disappoint your employees at LG, now can we? Also, for people watching the comparison at home on their own LG WOLED, - like how do you expect to see what a QD-OLED is capable of, when it's far outside what your own panel can physically output.... You have to get a demo in a show-room and preferably see some 2000 nits graded BT2020 stuff, that will actually demonstrate it's extremely insane specs. Arguing for LG's superior color accuracy, comes off as ill- informed, knowing that 23% of the colors are entirely missing, which should be observed as an immense inaccuracy.
@geoff no I'm still on the 77" C1. It's the best price/performance 77" available. I can be in a debate about Ferrari vs Lamborghini, even though it's outside my price range. Why is that so difficult for you to understand? If I were very wealthy, I would have bought a A95K 65" here in 2022. Sadly I'm not, and I will wait this one out, get a large QD-OLED in 3-5 years aprox.
@CONSOLES GUY. The truth matters sometimes. It takes minimal effort to type a comment, but it took much more to record video and audio to highlight a tv without mentioning some of the downsides so everyone uses time in their own way.
I mean, even with my c1 I can tell that the samsung oled looks better in terms of color. I will definetly pick up a qd oled in a couple of years, but I dont lile how the samsung's auto feature doesnt work when selecting the right color gamut. So I would prolly get a Sony do the line if samsung never fixes that
@Tuii: We are not employed by LG. If we were, why would LG let us point out the shortcomings on the G2 in this very review, such as the removal of 120Hz black frame insertion at 3:23 in this video, the off-axis pink tint at 5:13, the undertracking of PQ EOTF with HGiG Game Mode at 8:00, the VRR flicker & gamma shift at 9:00, etc? It's clear that you're feeling hurt because we called out the manipulative brightness and colour boosting implemented by Samsung Visual Display on the S95B, which managed to fool even an ISF calibrator. The reason why Samsung Visual Display needed to go to such lengths is because they know even though QD-OLED is technically superior, the brightness/ colour differences would only manifest themselves in a handful of real-world content. Yes, the Samsung S95B is capable of higher colour volume and brightness, but almost every luminance and colour output from 0 nits upwards is inaccurate. What's the point of driving the fastest car when you're going in the wrong direction?
Getting the 65inch G2 from Crampton and Moore and have it pre-calibrated. It is out of stock from their online store at the moment, so waiting for it to come back in stock and then will get it. Thanks Vincent.
adding the heat dissipation plate was the right move. But I really am waiting to see the QD-OLED vs W-OLED. I recently viewed the S955B at best buy and it look like a qled with perfect blacks and better detail. I was wowed by the samsung sauce. But after about 10 min you could really see the over saturation. Hoping the A95K will have the heat dissipation plate and accurate picture mode. If so it will be a killer TV.
Theres no over-saturation- thats only out of the box. Source, I own one, and made some small tweaks. Its amazing how these things get parroted online. Its not like their FALD QLEDS but actually has that higher color volume without oversaturation.
@@ArtVandelayOfficial over saturated is not real pretty.. which is why i put it in quotation… to be color accurate is not dull or lifeless it shows the color has best possible and as the director intended
Thank you Vincent for mentioning on other TVs SoC, and what to expect. I think I will wait next year so all the LG competition can have the approrpriate SoC. I expect I will be able to get a product that I wont regret with the next years model since it will have all the expected features. And there should be an option to mod the TV's SoC, similar to how certain electronics use cheaper capacitors that burn quicker, with a chance to burn electronics itself. People could just replace the capacitor with higher quality ones, and thus we should be able to get premium parts that match the premium hardware with better SoCs. However, to reach that level of modification that is considered good, then we need more 3rd party OS'es that can match the quality of Sony in terms of processing as well. I think there is possibly a business opportunity since these TV manufactures that makes the panels are a separate entity and anyone's business can buy their panels if they put them to good use, which as a result increasing the competition to be more competitive for more quality products. So hypotetically if someone doesnt like OS of samsung, but likes their panels, they should be able to buy their panel and get some reputable 3rd party to install SoC and OS, which I assume would still have warranty. It doesnt only have to be high end, it could also be for low end solutions as well but also may be the person has google at home and wants more google.
Vincent - When are we going to see the S95B review?! You already released 2 videos on S95B recently but no full review yet, instead we got review of LG G2!
@CONSOLES GUY. yeah that's an issue by itself though would you prefer tone mapping or terrible full field brightness with loss of color in hdr? It's a pick and choose but when the negatives aren't mentioned in the actual review how would some even know
@@tears2040 that sucks , i’d prefer the opposite, deeper colors for slight dimmer picture that will look fine in dark rooms anyways (which is how i game)
@@darius9534 it has less color volume then previous wrgb oled tvs as it's white sub pixel is pushing harder. It dilutes color further. It's why it still didn't beat the a90j in yellow and orange flames as Vincent explained. He is saving the comparison of showing the dilution/color volume against qd oled as he stated. But the reason wrgb oled tvs have less color volume is due to the white sub pixel. Since lg is pushing it harder with nothing in place to combat it like sony who does quad sub pixel boosting. Well you will notice the loss of color in brighter colors.
I sell these products for a living and for all the hype leading up to its release I can’t say the QDOLED has lived up to expectations. I would go so far to say the C2 even has a better all-round picture.
The sane and rational among us appreciate the critical analysis and insight your work offers, keep on keeping on 👍 Looking to upgrade my 65” KS9000 with no surround sound later this year to an 83” A90J with the HT-A9 and SW5 sub.
Its a shame that LG forces consumers to buy the G2 for a better faster WebOS. I think an update could fix this problem. For everyone who doesnt know: G1 WebOS works slow & laggy. Even the WebOS of the C9 works better. What a shame LG!
I've watched a bunch of your OLED reviews. I was leaning towards the Samsung s95b, but then started leaning towards the a80j because of the price. The 1 thing that has made me hesitate buying a new smart TV is the fact that I don't know how it will handle OTA broadcasts, which is mostly 1080i and 30fps in my area. My old plasma renders OTA pretty good.
if u mainly watching low quality sd content dont even upgrade.. cuz it wont be an upgrade. Only buy a new tv if u going to watch new high quality HDR content and gaming
@@dante19890 Fully agreed ... nevertheless Netflix since 2017 is offering 4K Dolby Vision content and so does Disney+ ... as from my point of view after 5 years now it's about time to upgrade the viewing experience to HDR.
@@dante19890 great advice because the old HD 108-0 Tv's did SDR and HD cable much clearer picture without motion and no grif effect or blooming that i noticed
How can the G2 deliver the most accurate image, even though it suffers from white subpixel dillution effect and actively desaturates content at HDR brightness levels? The peak color volume for WRGB panels is only achievable at sub 200 nits. I feel like you should put way more emphasis on this fact, it sounds like you give LG a pass...
@AnimeUniverseDE: If you're referring to our comparison vs the Samsung S95B, the S95B can't even achieve accurate shadow detail and colours from 0 nits to 200 nits... Their colour accuracy is the reason why WRGB OLED TVs from LG and Panasonic are used in Hollywood studios as client reference displays.
@Bat Tech: What didn't we answer? The question was, "how can the G2 deliver the most accurate image", and our answer was "because LG and Panasonic OLEDs are accurate enough to be used in Hollywood studios as client reference displays, despite their white subpixel dilution effect".
@John Hooper: Such misconception on your part. A client reference display still needs to be good enough to perceptually match the reference monitor for the most parts, and you certainly don't see studios using Sony or Samsung TVs, only LG and Panasonic because of their outstanding accuracy. In fact, a handful of Hollywood colourists are so impressed by these WRGB OLED client reference displays, that they're using them as their main grading display because of larger screen size. :-)
@@hdtvtest The majority of people buying these TVs are normal people, not Hollywood. You seem very fixed on this. This does not make the TVs best for consumers.
I love reading these comments while I’m bored so I can read GROWN ASS MEN arguing over televisions 😂😂😂 just buy whatever looks good to YOUR eyes and not someone else eyes. Professional calibrators are here to help which we appreciate but 90% of people who buy tvs are not professional calibrators! Every tv has their set advantages and disadvantages over one other
@steve Hunter: We praised the TV's pristine uniformity & high colour volume right at the beginning of this video: th-cam.com/video/rhto9MmiExE/w-d-xo.html
@@hdtvtest But not a full calibrated review like you do with most TVs you get your hands on. I guess I was just hoping for more details that you normally provide.
You just need to be patient: unboxing video ... 1. G2 then 2. S95B ... review video ... 1. G2 then 2. S95B ... the (full) review for S95B is in progress and comes next (when finished).
Last year LG offered a free LG XBOOM PL5 speaker with any purchase of a LG OLED C1/G1. I never noticed, but the speaker wasn't setup properly by default in the TV. Volume was set to 0 and it was being used in a surround sound mode. Sometimes it didn't Auto Connect via Bluetooth. So center channel audio for dialogue was terrible. After some tinkering everything works as intended, but it wasn't easy. You have to set it to simultaneous audio and pump up the volume. Then you can switch to the AI Pro sound setting. You will hear a slight echo/reverb in the dialogue, which is the delay going over bluetooth vs the built-in wired audio. Set the delay to 10-25 msec, until the reverb is gone. You might have to connect via bluetooth every time you turn on the TV and Speaker. Maybe turn on the TV first, and then the speaker after 10 seconds, so it auto connects.
Could you please add a Calman test called "Peak Luminance Stability" to your comparison "G2 vs S95B" (and/or the single reviews) ? I am very much interested in how these two tvs handle brightness over time ... peak luminance values are "nice to have" but are somewhat irrelevant if these tvs are not capable to maintain them during actual viewing content in rl imho. Thanks
dear Vincent, is there APL problem with lg g2? or heatsink solves this problem? I ve purchased a lg c2. it will arrive on Monday. if g2 doest have this problem I can send it back without opening box and purchase this g2 . thanks
@@more688 You want proof for scamming ? ... here it is: with latest firmware "1302" Samsung reduced the peak brightness capability of the S95B from measured 1,400 nits down to 1,000 nits ... in ALL modes !!! The LG G2 remains at 1,165 nits btw ... maybe because the G2 has a heatspreader which allows this. I feel sorry for you stepping into Samsung's marketing trap ... they created a hype , wowed people with 1,500 nits brightness and boosted their sales with it ... and after a few weeks they reduced the max. brightness massively ... which they obviously only used as a marketing trick for a short period of time ! Now brightness is back to normal and down to a healthy level ... but most people think they still get 1,500 nits from their S95B ... which is a lie !
You couldn't shill harder for LG if they were paying you directly but you did good job for them just getting some VIP perks. This doesn't seem like a real fair and balanced review but rather a commercial.
@Christopher Rios: We're not paid by LG for this review. If we were, then we're obligated to declare it, otherwise it's illegal. The "Includes Paid Promotion" message in this video refers to the sponsorship by UK electrical retailer Crampton & Moore. Also, if this is a commercial, why did we point out the shortcomings on the LG G2, such as the removal of 120Hz black frame insertion at 3:23 in this video, as well as the off-axis pink tint at 5:13? We are always fair and honest in our reviews, constantly seeking to point out the pros and cons of all TVs we test, so that potential buyers can make an informed decision.
@@hdtvtest You know the EVO pink tint has been a widespread issue, causing countless returns. You also left out the lower color volume while commenting to someone you were saving it for a future video, when this is the review and the proper place to disclose such things. This is very important as I’ve seen viewers on this video say they wish they could upgrade from their GX. The image retention test was not fair either as the Samsung was pushing more nits, so there is no true takeaway that it has more image retention from the same picture. You have the capability to be the best, most neutral source of TV info on the internet. Do it!
@@hdtvtest Are you purposely being aloof here? You know exactly what I implied. I know you can read. As far as your glowing praise of this display, it is questionable. Desaturation at higher luminances and off viewing angles are something consumers no longer have to accept as standard with QD OLED technology emerging. As someone who spent a fair part of his youth as a marketing rep your videos regarding LG products seem more like promotional plugs rather than critical reviews. It's something you should work on. We'll see your true colors when Sony drops the A95K. If they don't botch it like Samsung with the S95B they'll be no reason left for any serious professional reviewer to recommend a W OLED accept for price point.
Hi Vincent, I purchased LG G2 and wanted to get it calibrated by a professional calibrator. I was told there is bit of an issue with G2's firmware & internal pattern generator. Is it right?
I’m between this Lg g2 and Phillips 937 that has also heatsink, same panel from Lg and many more in the packet, like b&w soundbar. Still, I don’t know how it compares to this G2 in terms of image quality, brightness etc. Can’t find nowhere a comparison between them. 😢
I've an C8....Its worthing upgrading? Playing ps5 so VRR will be nice. Question: on Netflix dolby vision I always see some noise in black background...Will this be gone with the G2? And VRR has a flickering problem in this G2 panel when playing on ps5? Sorry for the bad English
I don't think it is appropriate to say these TVs are great for gaming without specifying Modern Gaming at this point. MyLifeInGaming bought an LG C2 recently and found out that any time it switches to any non-standard resolution the input lag becomes horrible. It was so bad that they returned the C2 and bought a C1 since that TV does not have the problem. th-cam.com/video/7K2tSrnxqVk/w-d-xo.html
Also SDR Game mode has been made dim on LG OLEDs from 2020 onwards. A really bad decision from LG and is something I don't think Vincent has ever mentioned in his LG OLED reviews.
Go on rtings.. Out of the box they measured a color temperature of 7000 K, which is much colder than reference 6500 K, giving a blue tint. Gamma came in at 2.28, not the worst, but slightly too high, resulting in crushed blacks and a too dark image in general. Can we all stop pretending like LG is the "accurate" TV.. It isn't. Everything Vincent said about the S95B was based on factory settings, straight out of the box..
@@Lasse3 yet it’s RTINGs highest reviewed tv. They clearly said “The LG G2 TV has great color accuracy out of the box”, so yes it is an accurate tv. They always have been.
@@jayroman3384 did you not go to school? What part of 7000 K color temperature did you fail to understand? It's not accurate, 6500 K is reference color temperature, 7000 K is blue image, cool tint. It's not an accurate TV, also poor Gamma tracking. WRGB color dilution, and the usual WOLED bag, ... near black gradiation etc Stop kneeling at the "LG is accurate" alter, It's a hoax
@@Lasse3 ohh okay since we want to be rude, what part of the reviewer saying “great color accuracy out of the box”’did you not understand? Also after calibration it had “nearly perfect accuracy”.. what is a hoax about that? You sound mad as fuck trying to explain your nonexistent point when professional reviewers who do this for a living say otherwise.
You don't realise that even 4k blu ray discs mastered at 4000 nits, only a very small percentage of scenes of a film will be over 1000 nits. Ie sun, vehicle headlights, explosions etc. In real life sun on a clear day is well over 4000 nits. Some vehicle headlights over 4000 nits, lightning from a city centre over 1000 nits etc.
You are so based, all your opinions made with real, factual, measured data and objective standards. And people still comparing your opinions to others "master calibrators" like 1 x 1. 🙄 Gosh
LG G2 for me, looks great! Personally don’t like Samsung, would have got Sony A95k in a heart beat had it got the 4x 2.1 ports and few better game features, which I don’t understand how they are not the best at gaming with having Ps5 under their roof!
Great review....I am in the purchasing stage so looking forward to your next review of the QD-OLED vs WOLED... thanks for always keeping your review direct and factual. I subscribe to your channel because you tell like you see it...very professional. Your sponsor need to appreciate that point, as well.
Depends on what you're looking for and whether you're buying flagship, mid-tier or entry level. I own a C1 and a G2. The G2 is a slight upgrade in terms of the software, but where is shines over the C1 is brightness. The G2 lights up my whole apartment. I finally have an OLED I can feel confident using in daytime lighting.
@BTICronox yeah the C1 is great value right now. I had actually saved up for an S95B, but I can get a LG C1 77" for that kinda money. I'm really on the fence here, - get the better image? or get a muuuch larger only slightly inferior image? Can be had for the same price..!
@@Lasse3 C1 more immerssive bigger & much more accurate, more true to content creators intention. Picture quality on C1 is epic enough + screen size. In Slovakia 77" C1 2399 Euro with LG cashback 500Euro; great price no brainer. I reccomend to calibrate it by profi service, by best calibrator available. Mine A80j after calibration has 3x better picture.
Interesting finding about the luminance transition during ABL shifts. I hope you will consider releasing the less compressed video to Patreon after you ultimately make your comparisons of the A95K and S95B with reference. I'd like to get that video at the highest quality. I always look forward to your videos, thanks!!
I think it was APL (average picture level) shifts rather than ABL (automatic brightness limiter), though it may be due to how ABL has been implemented? (At 6:00 in the video.) This put me off the G2. I wonder if it was fixed by LG?
@@Thirdeye413 I've seen this problem on a my life in gaming video. It was such an issue, he returned the c2 for a C1. Because he couldn't stand the lag.
Hi Vincent, would love to know your thoughts on the best gaming TV of 2022. I’m stuck trying to decide between the LG G2 and Samsung S95B. Best wishes!
Yeah, same here, except stuck between G2, C2 (55" or 42"), Philips 807, Panasonic LZ1500, ASUS PG42UQ, and S95B. That QD- vs W-OLED shootout would help narrow things down!
Doesnt matter when samsung did it wrong. Over saturated and fake. ( you know tv sense its in %10 mode like a WV emission test) You will see REAL QD-OLED power with A95K
@@sneikiusas If samsung didn't stupidly deveate from reference in filmmaker mode. Or fuck up hgig it'd be an easy choice. I'm interested to see the a95k versus the g2 in games. I imagine the a95k will probably come out on top though despite no hgig.
@@micker9830 because Sony wants you to appreciate the acoustic surface audio the tv offers. It’s meant as a stand-alone product. I own soundbars too, so tv speakers will never be enough for me, so I just mount the TVs instead. It’s a pain, but if it’s necessary so be it
That flicker from different scene brightness looks very distracting.. but to another topic, could you do kind of classic vs. today tv battle.. I'm very interested to see how old Sony xe9305/xe930 compares against todays oled/qd oled/microled tv's.. side by side.. max & full screen brightness is still top notch and I imagine that game mode image quality is not compromised..(vs some other new tv's)
To go even further, I would be really interested to see old high-quality Sony trinitron TV vs some modern TVs. Also, some high quality plasma vs modern (be it QLED or OLED). That would be really interesting, especially when it comes to trinitrons.
Still trying to figure out why Vincent shows that awful video clip every time he talks about skin tones. Those guys look sickly yellow, the skin tones are not natural.. unless Daniel Craig was filming this movie with jaundice There are lots of good pictures he can use for skin tones yet he repeatedly uses that one which clearly has unnatural looking skin. Their skin is about the same color as yours Vincent... that's not natural,
0:54 "to achieve higher pick brightness than what conventional OLED TV's are capable off" Panasonic started this heatsink idea years ago and they still doing it 😉
The G2 could be the pinnacle of RGB TV's. So bright, Good noise reduction to handle low-bit rate sources and any 'better TV' next Year (2023) will only be far more expensive with less value in any improvements.
@@peopleperson7263 I feel that which TV you find best in the end is always going to be subjective or how much of a movie fan you are. The G2 just strikes me as amazing value for the features and future-proofing you're getting: and I have had to demo it but only very crudely in a store because I'm admittedly just a casual viewer in the end in terms of TV but I do want good Standard definition upscaling where possible. So while Sony's A95 might be better (even slightly brighter) for some, it's over £600 more the value doesn't cut it for me.
Any plans to do a A95k vs G2 side by side comparison? I would have thought this would have been a very popular and important comparison... Thanks for all that you do!
The successor to the A95K next year or a Panasonic equivalent could be very interesting with the new MediaTek chipset and a properly driven QD-OLED panel in 77“.
I have had two s95bs, I loved it but that flicker sure does kill the tv for me. I returned my first because I thought it was an issue with the panel I got, then realized it does it on everything. I just traded it in today for a g2, waiting on that to get here. I liked the brightness but my god does the flicker annoy the hell out of me. I can’t unsee it, and even notice it in movies now. I really wanted to love the tv, but that has been a major issue for me and pushed me to return to lg. The different bugs combined with the slowness of the ui really put the nail in the coffin for myself, although it might not bother others as much
@@levidavidson1508 if you see it on movies then it's not the VRR flickering, it another problem, since movies don't use VRR. I heard the TV has a brightness flicker issue, maybe that is what you noticed
It would be nice if you could also do videos about 2022 mini LED TVs. A lot of people don't want OLED and are interested in new mini LED models like the TCL C83/C93 or Samsung QN90B/QN95B.
In hdr, the peak brightness of the primary color is less than 50% of white, so the white wash out is worse, right? And in vivid mode, is the high gradation clipping and sunken near black still there?
SDR is unofficially set to a 200nits standard. But, yeah, I can understand how that's disappointing. I have a hard time recommending OLEDs for bright rooms.
@R Keith: SDR games are not something we routinely test in our TV reviews anymore for a good few years now, since the latest AAA titles are all in HDR (for better or worse). @GosumassB: This video is not sponsored by LG. If it was, we're obligated to declare it, otherwise it's illegal. The "Includes Paid Promotion" message in this video refers to the sponsorship by UK electrical retailer Crampton & Moore.
@Joseph: You're just parroting the same lie without evidence. As stated before, this video is not sponsored by LG. If it was, we're legally required to declare it. Also, if this video is sponsored by LG, why would we point out the shortcomings on the G2, such as removal of 120Hz black frame insertion at 3:23 in this video, as well as the off-axis pink tint at 5:13? We are always fair and honest in our reviews, constantly pointing out the pros and cons of all TVs we test, so that potential buyers can make an informed decision.
Everyone on the internet think the Samsung S95b QD OLED is an oversaturated mess bcos of ur last vid on the Tv😆can’t wait for ur full review of the Tv💪🏽
You should have seen the G2 pre-calibrated, a blueish mess. Just look it up on Rtings... A much too cool color temp of 7000 K -boosting blue tint. And gamma is too high at 2.28 Making dark scenes appear crushed. It only takes a whole community of people who don't know a single thing about TV's to start the myth that LG is accurate out of the box. When Vincent talks about S95B it's pre- calibration When he talks about LG G2, it's after calibration. Sadly 90% of his subs have no idea what I just said. They only pick up on certain things "LG GOOD, SAMSUNG BAD"
@@MMTT7sALd almost. Like almost anyone on his last video's comment section. I mean it wasnt wrong, but again, its not as severe as ppl makes it look like
@@Lasse3 You can't 3D LUT calibrate the S95B though. Also, Samsung's DTM can't be truly turned off, no matter what. In addition, even attempting to calibrate correctly with Calman gives incorrect results as the TV fucks with test patterns.
@@collinjgreen I've said that a thousand times already. Undefeatable DTM, with HGIG = Double tonemapping. I would not recommend the S95B for console gamers, that's for sure!
If you don’t talk in the review about some negatives as the loss of color volume and color gamut in high brightness, because you are “saving it” for a comparison video with the qdoled, you are being biased. Why such tricks , when credibility is what have put you where you are and not LG. Your audience is not the average consumer and will notice as you can see in other comments
@Enzel02: We have pointed out many shortcomings of the LG G2 in this review, such as removal of 120Hz black frame insertion at 3:23 in this video, the off-axis pink tint at 5:13, the undertracking of PQ EOTF with HGiG Game Mode at 8:00, the VRR flicker & gamma shift at 9:00, etc. If we are biased, why would we demonstrate these shortcomings? We have been experimenting with spreading out our reviews over more than one video, because if we had to do an all-exhaustive review where no stone is unturned, we'll never finish editing & publishing a video review when we have so many other videos to do. The Wonder Woman side-by-side comparison at 12:12 in this video is literally alluding to colour saturation at high brightness which we will cover in the follow-up video.
He's probably faking it. I haven't had any IR. I don't do conspiracy theories or any shit like that but more and more this guy is looking like an LG shill.
I find my LG G1 77 to be too bright in a lot of scenes. With the high contrast, I don't understand why people would want brighter. In a dark room, the G1 can hurt my eyes with the contrast. Am I alone? I am guessing the size makes it even brighter...
A80J 65" can hurt my eyes in dark room in some HDR scenes, but in minor occassions. I am not a fan of even higher brightness then A80J or something similar.
I have the same „problem“ in a dark room, but have only a LG C1 77, I also dont understand why it shoud be brighter than that. And our living room is not dark, we have three big windows here.
I gather that in the image retention test that the Samsung S95B is displaying higher nits (from the description as being at "full blast") than the LG G2. I wonder how the Samsung would do if it were held back to displaying the same nits as the LG.
Seriously. The discrepancies in this “review” are absurd. He said he was “saving” white subpixel dilution for a future video. This is the review! Come on now.
This TV is one year too late. Comparing it vs last years models make me feel like I am buying a last gen product for current gen prices. Not worth it. Would rather go for the A90J if forced to buy one.
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@Rick Deckard Yeah, i have but imagine paying 2+ K for a Tv and then spending even more money just " too look better "
@Rick Deckard I don't say it is a bad thing, but some charge a lot of money...
Hi Vincent! became known number zones new miniled sony x95k: 65" 432 zone, 75" 600, 85" 768. Proof avsforum threads sony miniled x95k, page 103, post №2057.
@@neykovmaster No needs a 2k tv either you are right, but no one needs entertainment anyways, no needs to have fun, its not a fundamental need. You buy this because you like it and can afford it. your comment is not only rude but stupid and useless.
@@xZeke97 I’m sorry
Bought this a few weeks ago and still amazed how beautiful the picture quality of this TV is. Great review!
Grats ... I'm somewhat jealous :-) ... I'll be getting mine by end of this year ... letting firmware and sales prices mature in the meantime ... I'll replace my (16,300 hrs used) 65C7, which still shows breathtaking pictures and without having any issues so far. Have fun :-))
@@marcuscole8796 That's a wise decision. I came from a 5 year old Sony A1 OLED so the leap was huge. :)
I went from a 65" C9 to the 77" G2. I thought about a 65" QD OLED but wanted to go with a bigger screen being I have a dedicated room for my Home theater. My one big negative is the mounting hardware. The mount itself is great, but the screws and wall anchors don't seem to be matched well. When we put the Wall Anchors in, the screws would just turn the anchors once they got around half way in, making them useless. We ended up making a secondary wall with pinewood and 3 locations. The upper portion where the mount was to be attached, middle and lower 3rd, so the Tv would sit flush. All the pine board was secured into studs at 3 different locations, and this ended being a much better solution given even if the wall anchors did work since we wouldn't have been able to hit any studs. As for the picture itself, I absolutely love the TV, big improvement over my previous C9. I don't have a PC hooked up to it as my PC is in my office/game room connected to a Samsung Neo G9. However I think this fall when the new GPUs come out I'll build a gaming system for the theater room and any controller based games I'll play on the G2.
What improvements have you noticed over the C9? I'm on a C8 and itching to pull the trigger, just need to get it past the wife!
Can u go into like a "Vincent mode" and explain in detail how much better it is than the c9. I have a 77 c9 n been waiting for the Sony a90j to go down in price. I have the g1 in 55 but don't see a big improvement over my c9 ,maybe a bit clearer . ty
@@camarykaren there wont really be a big improvement from a woled to another. It is a bit brighter yes.. but its just white light anyway and u will lose even more colour saturation bright hdr scenes.
750nits is the sweet spot for woled and it was designed that way.
@@camarykaren I'm no tech expert like Vincent but I'll do what I can from an average person's point of view. It's noticeably brighter in all aspects. That's the most obvious, both in SDR and in HDR. Everything just has little more punch in terms of color and detail. Probably do to the increased brightness of the panel. In my theater room when I'm watching movies or shows at night I run it with a bias back light on only So during certain scenes say in space where they pan to a large star or in a dark scenes when they pan to a bright light say a flashlight, it can be almost blinding. I never got that with my C9. Motion seems a bit smoother, still have a bit of that OLED judder when panning during scenes but it's not as bad. Also the ABL, hasn't been noticed at all. My C9 especially in prolonged dark scenes it would kick in all the time. Then there's the obvious, screen size. 77" is much more immersive then the 65". I moved up my seats in the room to keep the same viewing distance as when I had my C9. So the combination of all those factors make a big difference in overall experience. I felt the weak link in my home theater has always been the immersion factor of the TV. Now that' no longer the case. Now if only streaming services would upgrade their bitrate on their audio.
@@ThaiNguyen-mh8eu Why would you move the seating, you've effectively just offset the whole benefit of a larger screen?
Vincent was bamboozled by increased white-subpixel output.
This G2 has 12% decreased color volume compared to last year's G1. And will not do orange flames as a result.
Apparently they aren't simply driving the panel harder as Vincent was lead to believe, but more specifically driving the white sub-pixel harder, leading to increased color dilution and lack of color volume.
G1 - DCI-P3 volume 86.3%
G2 - DCI-P3 volume 77.8%
An entry level LCD from 2019 has higher color volume than an LG G2.
For those unfamiliar, you need 100% color volume, to produce the entire range of colors in a given color space.
-DCI-P3 being the commonly used color-space in HDR.
The greatest trick the G2 ever pulled was tricking a "Calibrator" into believing the brightness gain was actually being done correctly.
*Nope!* LG using the same old aproach of increasing brightness by straight up diluting the colors with added White light. Only this time much more than ever before! Breaking that 1000 nits barrier was very important now, for obvious reasons, who needs colors? Said only LG.
A Samsung S95B Oled actually have 120% DCI-P3 coverage,
meaning that it can fully produce the entire color spectrum of DCI-P3 and well into the even larger color-space BT-2020.
It also have 20% wider color-gamut.
40% higher color volume
33% higher peak brightness
Vastly improved viewing angles
Vastly improved screen-uniformity
Free of WRGB near-black gradiation.
True RGB
No wonder people think it looks so good.
But most likely Vincent will find the most conservatively graded 200 nits - Rec.709 material he can scrape up, to use in his comparison.
making sure that everything showcased can exist within the narrow confines of LG G2's specifications.
Can't disappoint your employees at LG, now can we?
Also, for people watching the comparison at home on their own LG WOLED, - like how do you expect to see what a QD-OLED is capable of, when it's far outside what your own panel can physically output....
You have to get a demo in a show-room and preferably see some 2000 nits graded BT2020 stuff, that will actually demonstrate it's extremely insane specs.
Arguing for LG's superior color accuracy, comes off as ill- informed, knowing that 23% of the colors are entirely missing, which should be observed as an immense inaccuracy.
@CONSOLES GUY. Yeah censor the truth, that would not surprise me! And wouldn't be the first time.
@geoff no I'm still on the 77" C1.
It's the best price/performance 77" available.
I can be in a debate about Ferrari vs Lamborghini, even though it's outside my price range.
Why is that so difficult for you to understand?
If I were very wealthy, I would have bought a A95K 65" here in 2022.
Sadly I'm not, and I will wait this one out, get a large QD-OLED in 3-5 years aprox.
@CONSOLES GUY. The truth matters sometimes. It takes minimal effort to type a comment, but it took much more to record video and audio to highlight a tv without mentioning some of the downsides so everyone uses time in their own way.
I mean, even with my c1 I can tell that the samsung oled looks better in terms of color. I will definetly pick up a qd oled in a couple of years, but I dont lile how the samsung's auto feature doesnt work when selecting the right color gamut. So I would prolly get a Sony do the line if samsung never fixes that
@Tuii: We are not employed by LG. If we were, why would LG let us point out the shortcomings on the G2 in this very review, such as the removal of 120Hz black frame insertion at 3:23 in this video, the off-axis pink tint at 5:13, the undertracking of PQ EOTF with HGiG Game Mode at 8:00, the VRR flicker & gamma shift at 9:00, etc?
It's clear that you're feeling hurt because we called out the manipulative brightness and colour boosting implemented by Samsung Visual Display on the S95B, which managed to fool even an ISF calibrator. The reason why Samsung Visual Display needed to go to such lengths is because they know even though QD-OLED is technically superior, the brightness/ colour differences would only manifest themselves in a handful of real-world content.
Yes, the Samsung S95B is capable of higher colour volume and brightness, but almost every luminance and colour output from 0 nits upwards is inaccurate. What's the point of driving the fastest car when you're going in the wrong direction?
Getting the 65inch G2 from Crampton and Moore and have it pre-calibrated. It is out of stock from their online store at the moment, so waiting for it to come back in stock and then will get it. Thanks Vincent.
adding the heat dissipation plate was the right move. But I really am waiting to see the QD-OLED vs W-OLED. I recently viewed the S955B at best buy and it look like a qled with perfect blacks and better detail. I was wowed by the samsung sauce. But after about 10 min you could really see the over saturation. Hoping the A95K will have the heat dissipation plate and accurate picture mode. If so it will be a killer TV.
Theres no over-saturation- thats only out of the box. Source, I own one, and made some small tweaks. Its amazing how these things get parroted online. Its not like their FALD QLEDS but actually has that higher color volume without oversaturation.
@@Ford-wt8rn pretty sure HDTV tested this and tried tweaking the settings to get it right and ended up with an s curve
Get a sony xD samsung tends to blow the color to make it “pretty”
@@platano4924 Yeah who would want a pretty TV
I want dull and lifeless!
@@ArtVandelayOfficial over saturated is not real pretty.. which is why i put it in quotation… to be color accurate is not dull or lifeless it shows the color has best possible and as the director intended
Thank you Vincent for mentioning on other TVs SoC, and what to expect. I think I will wait next year so all the LG competition can have the approrpriate SoC. I expect I will be able to get a product that I wont regret with the next years model since it will have all the expected features.
And there should be an option to mod the TV's SoC, similar to how certain electronics use cheaper capacitors that burn quicker, with a chance to burn electronics itself. People could just replace the capacitor with higher quality ones, and thus we should be able to get premium parts that match the premium hardware with better SoCs.
However, to reach that level of modification that is considered good, then we need more 3rd party OS'es that can match the quality of Sony in terms of processing as well. I think there is possibly a business opportunity since these TV manufactures that makes the panels are a separate entity and anyone's business can buy their panels if they put them to good use, which as a result increasing the competition to be more competitive for more quality products.
So hypotetically if someone doesnt like OS of samsung, but likes their panels, they should be able to buy their panel and get some reputable 3rd party to install SoC and OS, which I assume would still have warranty. It doesnt only have to be high end, it could also be for low end solutions as well but also may be the person has google at home and wants more google.
So much for that lol
Vincent - When are we going to see the S95B review?! You already released 2 videos on S95B recently but no full review yet, instead we got review of LG G2!
How is it unfortunate for QD-OLED to have higher brightness?
Not sure he said that. I would assume that his words were more towards unfortunately for LG, the QD-OLEDS are better.
It is unfortunate for LG display, that QD oled released, so the G2 is not the brightest. Don't read into what isn't there
@CONSOLES GUY. Ah so you didn't catch that color saturation is lost at high brightness in hdr on this lg, mostly cus LGTV test didn't mention it.
@CONSOLES GUY. yeah that's an issue by itself though would you prefer tone mapping or terrible full field brightness with loss of color in hdr? It's a pick and choose but when the negatives aren't mentioned in the actual review how would some even know
Wish you could give some attention to loss of color volume and color gamut in G2 compared to G1 due to increased pressure on white subpixel.
That’s always going to happen in ANY tv, choose your option. I prefer the loss of some color for higher white point
@@tears2040 that sucks , i’d prefer the opposite, deeper colors for slight dimmer picture that will look fine in dark rooms anyways (which is how i game)
@StreaMRoLLeR: We're saving it for the WRGB vs QD-OLED comparison. :-)
@@hdtvtest You're such a tease Vincent ;-)
@@darius9534 it has less color volume then previous wrgb oled tvs as it's white sub pixel is pushing harder. It dilutes color further. It's why it still didn't beat the a90j in yellow and orange flames as Vincent explained. He is saving the comparison of showing the dilution/color volume against qd oled as he stated. But the reason wrgb oled tvs have less color volume is due to the white sub pixel. Since lg is pushing it harder with nothing in place to combat it like sony who does quad sub pixel boosting. Well you will notice the loss of color in brighter colors.
I sell these products for a living and for all the hype leading up to its release I can’t say the QDOLED has lived up to expectations. I would go so far to say the C2 even has a better all-round picture.
I have to agree.
The sane and rational among us appreciate the critical analysis and insight your work offers, keep on keeping on 👍
Looking to upgrade my 65” KS9000 with no surround sound later this year to an 83” A90J with the HT-A9 and SW5 sub.
Its a shame that LG forces consumers to buy the G2 for a better faster WebOS. I think an update could fix this problem. For everyone who doesnt know: G1 WebOS works slow & laggy. Even the WebOS of the C9 works better. What a shame LG!
I can't believe that removed 120hz BFI! Best gaming feature, what's even the point in doing that?
It boggles the mind does it?
1:20 "unfortunately" (for LG), you forgot to mention
I found that strange.
It's definitely "fortunate" that the technology has made great strides. Lol
@iceagecoming: The same applies to all WRGB OLED TVs with heatsink, including the Panasonic LZ2000.
I've watched a bunch of your OLED reviews. I was leaning towards the Samsung s95b, but then started leaning towards the a80j because of the price. The 1 thing that has made me hesitate buying a new smart TV is the fact that I don't know how it will handle OTA broadcasts, which is mostly 1080i and 30fps in my area. My old plasma renders OTA pretty good.
if u mainly watching low quality sd content dont even upgrade.. cuz it wont be an upgrade.
Only buy a new tv if u going to watch new high quality HDR content and gaming
@@dante19890 Fully agreed ... nevertheless Netflix since 2017 is offering 4K Dolby Vision content and so does Disney+ ... as from my point of view after 5 years now it's about time to upgrade the viewing experience to HDR.
@@dante19890 great advice because the old HD 108-0 Tv's did SDR and HD cable much clearer picture without motion and no grif effect or blooming that i noticed
The question is, when is the Samsung S95B review coming out?
Great video. When's the QD-OLED VS WRGB OLED video coming out?
Solid review 👍 also good advice on waiting for next years mediatek chipset for Sony TVs.
Sustained 100% Window 171 cd/m²
Not good enough really.
Love my C1 but we need LG to move to QD.
this is my next TV great video !! i Will wait until prices drop first awesome bit of kit from LG
Does anyone seriously consider Samsung with them not having Dolby Vision? Shame, I would have picked the s95b right away if it had Dolby Vision
Why not using same size though?
Which would you get 83" LG G2 vs 83" Sony A90J if you only watch movies and tv
Hello I have a question. Why you don't have done a video like this about Samsung QDOLED? Did you get the LG first?
@Ricardo Silva: Yes, we unboxed the LG G2 on 30 March 2022; and unboxed the Samsung S95B on 18 April 2022.
Waiting for phosphorus blue oled from lg
Cheers for the video.
How can the G2 deliver the most accurate image, even though it suffers from white subpixel dillution effect and actively desaturates content at HDR brightness levels? The peak color volume for WRGB panels is only achievable at sub 200 nits. I feel like you should put way more emphasis on this fact, it sounds like you give LG a pass...
@AnimeUniverseDE: If you're referring to our comparison vs the Samsung S95B, the S95B can't even achieve accurate shadow detail and colours from 0 nits to 200 nits...
Their colour accuracy is the reason why WRGB OLED TVs from LG and Panasonic are used in Hollywood studios as client reference displays.
@@hdtvtest Vincent, you didn't really answer the question.
@Bat Tech: What didn't we answer? The question was, "how can the G2 deliver the most accurate image", and our answer was "because LG and Panasonic OLEDs are accurate enough to be used in Hollywood studios as client reference displays, despite their white subpixel dilution effect".
@John Hooper: Such misconception on your part. A client reference display still needs to be good enough to perceptually match the reference monitor for the most parts, and you certainly don't see studios using Sony or Samsung TVs, only LG and Panasonic because of their outstanding accuracy.
In fact, a handful of Hollywood colourists are so impressed by these WRGB OLED client reference displays, that they're using them as their main grading display because of larger screen size. :-)
@@hdtvtest The majority of people buying these TVs are normal people, not Hollywood. You seem very fixed on this. This does not make the TVs best for consumers.
I love reading these comments while I’m bored so I can read GROWN ASS MEN arguing over televisions 😂😂😂 just buy whatever looks good to YOUR eyes and not someone else eyes. Professional calibrators are here to help which we appreciate but 90% of people who buy tvs are not professional calibrators! Every tv has their set advantages and disadvantages over one other
It's all about the art and not one's eyes.
77" G2 for £3,200 or the 77" G1 for £2,750. Which would you buy?
Wish you would have given the S95B the same full review treatment you gave this. I'll be interested to see your comparison video.
He's too busy showing the Samsung TV utter contempt.
@steve Hunter: We praised the TV's pristine uniformity & high colour volume right at the beginning of this video: th-cam.com/video/rhto9MmiExE/w-d-xo.html
@@hdtvtest But not a full calibrated review like you do with most TVs you get your hands on. I guess I was just hoping for more details that you normally provide.
You just need to be patient: unboxing video ... 1. G2 then 2. S95B ... review video ... 1. G2 then 2. S95B ... the (full) review for S95B is in progress and comes next (when finished).
@qlog I realize. I just want to see his full review of the unit. No TV is perfect.
Hi Vincent,
is the VRR problem solved?
Best regards
well in such slim body you just cant make rich bass and sound at all. Soundbar is a must.
😁Thanks for the Video, Can’t wait for Sony new QD-OLED 😃
Last year LG offered a free LG XBOOM PL5 speaker with any purchase of a LG OLED C1/G1. I never noticed, but the speaker wasn't setup properly by default in the TV. Volume was set to 0 and it was being used in a surround sound mode. Sometimes it didn't Auto Connect via Bluetooth. So center channel audio for dialogue was terrible. After some tinkering everything works as intended, but it wasn't easy. You have to set it to simultaneous audio and pump up the volume. Then you can switch to the AI Pro sound setting. You will hear a slight echo/reverb in the dialogue, which is the delay going over bluetooth vs the built-in wired audio. Set the delay to 10-25 msec, until the reverb is gone. You might have to connect via bluetooth every time you turn on the TV and Speaker. Maybe turn on the TV first, and then the speaker after 10 seconds, so it auto connects.
Could you please add a Calman test called "Peak Luminance Stability" to your comparison "G2 vs S95B" (and/or the single reviews) ?
I am very much interested in how these two tvs handle brightness over time ... peak luminance values are "nice to have" but are somewhat irrelevant if these tvs are not capable to maintain them during actual viewing content in rl imho.
Thanks
When is Z9K released? A couple more months? I'm very curious about that one.
dear Vincent, is there APL problem with lg g2? or heatsink solves this problem? I ve purchased a lg c2. it will arrive on Monday. if g2 doest have this problem I can send it back without opening box and purchase this g2 . thanks
Samsungs is better, stop with the LG NONSENSE
That's true ... they are better at scamming .. that's why they are called Scamsung.
@@marcuscole8796 check out the 95b, nothing about it is a scam
@@more688 You want proof for scamming ? ... here it is:
with latest firmware "1302" Samsung reduced the peak brightness capability of the S95B from measured 1,400 nits down to 1,000 nits ... in ALL modes !!!
The LG G2 remains at 1,165 nits btw ... maybe because the G2 has a heatspreader which allows this.
I feel sorry for you stepping into Samsung's marketing trap ... they created a hype , wowed people with 1,500 nits brightness and boosted their sales with it ... and after a few weeks they reduced the max. brightness massively ... which they obviously only used as a marketing trick for a short period of time !
Now brightness is back to normal and down to a healthy level ... but most people think they still get 1,500 nits from their S95B ... which is a lie !
@@marcuscole8796 no burn in, LG BURN IN ALL DAY
You couldn't shill harder for LG if they were paying you directly but you did good job for them just getting some VIP perks. This doesn't seem like a real fair and balanced review but rather a commercial.
@Christopher Rios: We're not paid by LG for this review. If we were, then we're obligated to declare it, otherwise it's illegal.
The "Includes Paid Promotion" message in this video refers to the sponsorship by UK electrical retailer Crampton & Moore.
Also, if this is a commercial, why did we point out the shortcomings on the LG G2, such as the removal of 120Hz black frame insertion at 3:23 in this video, as well as the off-axis pink tint at 5:13?
We are always fair and honest in our reviews, constantly seeking to point out the pros and cons of all TVs we test, so that potential buyers can make an informed decision.
@@hdtvtest You know the EVO pink tint has been a widespread issue, causing countless returns. You also left out the lower color volume while commenting to someone you were saving it for a future video, when this is the review and the proper place to disclose such things. This is very important as I’ve seen viewers on this video say they wish they could upgrade from their GX. The image retention test was not fair either as the Samsung was pushing more nits, so there is no true takeaway that it has more image retention from the same picture.
You have the capability to be the best, most neutral source of TV info on the internet. Do it!
@@hdtvtest Are you purposely being aloof here? You know exactly what I implied. I know you can read. As far as your glowing praise of this display, it is questionable. Desaturation at higher luminances and off viewing angles are something consumers no longer have to accept as standard with QD OLED technology emerging. As someone who spent a fair part of his youth as a marketing rep your videos regarding LG products seem more like promotional plugs rather than critical reviews. It's something you should work on. We'll see your true colors when Sony drops the A95K. If they don't botch it like Samsung with the S95B they'll be no reason left for any serious professional reviewer to recommend a W OLED accept for price point.
How simpleminded. Liking a tv means you're a shill? Then all tv reviewers must be shills to you lmao
@@Roe777 I like how Christopher and I wrote thought-out paragraphs listing facts/our argument points, and you commented as if they don’t exist. Nice
QD-OLED + heat sink is the way to go! No brainer!
Yeah if you like no heat sink or Dolby Vision with the Sammy, or no large sizes with the Sony. Love my 77inch G2 with 5 year burn in warranty.
Hi Vincent, I purchased LG G2 and wanted to get it calibrated by a professional calibrator. I was told there is bit of an issue with G2's firmware & internal pattern generator. Is it right?
I’m between this Lg g2 and Phillips 937 that has also heatsink, same panel from Lg and many more in the packet, like b&w soundbar. Still, I don’t know how it compares to this G2 in terms of image quality, brightness etc. Can’t find nowhere a comparison between them. 😢
I got a G1 last year. How long should I keep it at this rate of tech advancement?
Anybody here know when the A95K will be able for purchase in the UK? It has been added and removed from the John Lewis site and app twice now.
If you only want to know about the QD-OLED question, don’t bother watching this.
Now that vrr is on the PS5… don’t I need to change my LG CX Gaming settings?… I been using the settings you did over a year ago… thanks
I've an C8....Its worthing upgrading? Playing ps5 so VRR will be nice. Question: on Netflix dolby vision I always see some noise in black background...Will this be gone with the G2? And VRR has a flickering problem in this G2 panel when playing on ps5? Sorry for the bad English
Will you be reviewing TCL's C935 and C835
I don't think it is appropriate to say these TVs are great for gaming without specifying Modern Gaming at this point. MyLifeInGaming bought an LG C2 recently and found out that any time it switches to any non-standard resolution the input lag becomes horrible. It was so bad that they returned the C2 and bought a C1 since that TV does not have the problem. th-cam.com/video/7K2tSrnxqVk/w-d-xo.html
Also SDR Game mode has been made dim on LG OLEDs from 2020 onwards. A really bad decision from LG and is something I don't think Vincent has ever mentioned in his LG OLED reviews.
Lg g2 65" vrs samsung qn65s95b, what is the best tv oled for the gaming with ps5, xbox series X, watching netflix and amazon tv?
Being the Sony A80K has the same panel as LG ,can the A80K show the same picture results?
What was the ootb color and luminance accuracy of the G2? Was it as “voluptuous” as the S95b’s?
Go on rtings..
Out of the box they measured a color temperature of 7000 K, which is much colder than reference 6500 K, giving a blue tint.
Gamma came in at 2.28, not the worst, but slightly too high, resulting in crushed blacks and a too dark image in general.
Can we all stop pretending like LG is the "accurate" TV.. It isn't.
Everything Vincent said about the S95B was based on factory settings, straight out of the box..
@@Lasse3 yet it’s RTINGs highest reviewed tv. They clearly said “The LG G2 TV has great color accuracy out of the box”, so yes it is an accurate tv. They always have been.
@@jayroman3384 That's not what FOMO found out though in terms of luminance accuracy
@@jayroman3384 did you not go to school?
What part of 7000 K color temperature did you fail to understand?
It's not accurate, 6500 K is reference color temperature,
7000 K is blue image, cool tint.
It's not an accurate TV, also poor Gamma tracking.
WRGB color dilution, and the usual WOLED bag, ...
near black gradiation etc
Stop kneeling at the "LG is accurate" alter,
It's a hoax
@@Lasse3 ohh okay since we want to be rude, what part of the reviewer saying “great color accuracy out of the box”’did you not understand? Also after calibration it had “nearly perfect accuracy”.. what is a hoax about that? You sound mad as fuck trying to explain your nonexistent point when professional reviewers who do this for a living say otherwise.
come on man how bright do people want a OLED TV to be. it's not a LED that can get super bright.
You don't realise that even 4k blu ray discs mastered at 4000 nits, only a very small percentage of scenes of a film will be over 1000 nits. Ie sun, vehicle headlights, explosions etc.
In real life sun on a clear day is well over 4000 nits. Some vehicle headlights over 4000 nits, lightning from a city centre over 1000 nits etc.
@@C--A yes I know that but do you want to watch a TV with the screen that bright. I'm talking about full screen brightness?
So is this better than the C2 for a gaming TV?
this is lg best tv period
You are so based, all your opinions made with real, factual, measured data and objective standards. And people still comparing your opinions to others "master calibrators" like 1 x 1. 🙄 Gosh
LG G2 for me, looks great! Personally don’t like Samsung, would have got Sony A95k in a heart beat had it got the 4x 2.1 ports and few better game features, which I don’t understand how they are not the best at gaming with having Ps5 under their roof!
Great review....I am in the purchasing stage so looking forward to your next review of the QD-OLED vs WOLED... thanks for always keeping your review direct and factual. I subscribe to your channel because you tell like you see it...very professional. Your sponsor need to appreciate that point, as well.
how do you like it? Does it make a hissing noise?
No TV is worth upgrading 1 year later.
Totally
Depends on what you're looking for and whether you're buying flagship, mid-tier or entry level. I own a C1 and a G2. The G2 is a slight upgrade in terms of the software, but where is shines over the C1 is brightness. The G2 lights up my whole apartment. I finally have an OLED I can feel confident using in daytime lighting.
@BTICronox yeah the C1 is great value right now.
I had actually saved up for an S95B, but I can get a LG C1 77" for that kinda money.
I'm really on the fence here,
- get the better image? or get a muuuch larger only slightly inferior image?
Can be had for the same price..!
I'm using my 4K 60Hz TV for 2 years now, and I spent $60 changing backlit LED (Samsung model) I hate it, because why broken after 1 year. Fuc
@@Lasse3 C1 more immerssive bigger & much more accurate, more true to content creators intention. Picture quality on C1 is epic enough + screen size. In Slovakia 77" C1 2399 Euro with LG cashback 500Euro; great price no brainer. I reccomend to calibrate it by profi service, by best calibrator available. Mine A80j after calibration has 3x better picture.
Interesting finding about the luminance transition during ABL shifts. I hope you will consider releasing the less compressed video to Patreon after you ultimately make your comparisons of the A95K and S95B with reference. I'd like to get that video at the highest quality. I always look forward to your videos, thanks!!
I think it was APL (average picture level) shifts rather than ABL (automatic brightness limiter), though it may be due to how ABL has been implemented? (At 6:00 in the video.) This put me off the G2. I wonder if it was fixed by LG?
I have bought a Sony QD OLED and a LG G2…The LG G2 Wins hands down with picture quality.
Did you test latency in 4:3? Just wondering if the c2's input lag in that aspect ratio transferred over to the g2.
4:3 on a modern telly? Are you retro gaming?
@@trevhib yes, and there appears to be a bug where 4:3 content drastically increases input lag on the c2.
@@Thirdeye413 Cool. Not sure what it is with new TVs, some steps forwards and some steps back!
@@Thirdeye413 I've seen this problem on a my life in gaming video. It was such an issue, he returned the c2 for a C1. Because he couldn't stand the lag.
Yep, if 4:3 has a weird lag penalty, I'm not interested.
Thanks as always Vincent for your honest n hard work. Any chance we can get a LG G2 vs Sony A90j full review.
that we expect that will happen ;)
Would love this myself.
The g2 is my first new tv in 10 years. Upgrade from a crapy samsung led. Hope it will last.
I upgraded from a 2012 Plasma to the 77 in G2. Love it.
Hi Vincent, would love to know your thoughts on the best gaming TV of 2022. I’m stuck trying to decide between the LG G2 and Samsung S95B. Best wishes!
Yeah, same here, except stuck between G2, C2 (55" or 42"), Philips 807, Panasonic LZ1500, ASUS PG42UQ, and S95B. That QD- vs W-OLED shootout would help narrow things down!
If you can get an 83 inch Sony A90J at a discount for mainly TV and movies and no video games, rather than LG G2, is it a better deal.
The A90J does a good job with gaming ? Not as good as LG but it’s definitely not bad
Of course its not enough to fight QD OLEDs increased color volume and true RGB panel, as well as slightly higher brightness
Color gamut too. 90% bt.2020
@@helloguy8934 that too, I really dont understand how are they comparable at the same price, in some places G2 is actually more expensive :D
Doesnt matter when samsung did it wrong. Over saturated and fake. ( you know tv sense its in %10 mode like a WV emission test) You will see REAL QD-OLED power with A95K
@@sneikiusas If samsung didn't stupidly deveate from reference in filmmaker mode. Or fuck up hgig it'd be an easy choice. I'm interested to see the a95k versus the g2 in games. I imagine the a95k will probably come out on top though despite no hgig.
@@helloguy8934 a95k should be brighter and more accurate, but 1000 dollar difference is too much for me. So I ordered 65 inch s95b, cant wait
There’s Vincent 🥇 & there’s everyone else 🥈
I am waiting for the Panasonic LZ2000 here in the UK. Wish they'd get on with it and get it out to reviewers.
Will be best OLED 2022 most most probably. I am between this or Sony Qd Oled or MiniLed for end year purchase. I use to prefer Sony due to Google TV
I think the Sony A95K will be the TV to beat as far as OLEDS
It will likely be the best TV of 2022.......and the most expensive. The Sony A95K stand looks hideous though!
@@gbej1 that’s purely your opinion. I think the stand is great
@@micker9830 you mount your tv.
i mean its sony and its also the priciest one. what do you expect ?
@@micker9830 because Sony wants you to appreciate the acoustic surface audio the tv offers. It’s meant as a stand-alone product. I own soundbars too, so tv speakers will never be enough for me, so I just mount the TVs instead. It’s a pain, but if it’s necessary so be it
That flicker from different scene brightness looks very distracting.. but to another topic, could you do kind of classic vs. today tv battle.. I'm very interested to see how old Sony xe9305/xe930 compares against todays oled/qd oled/microled tv's.. side by side.. max & full screen brightness is still top notch and I imagine that game mode image quality is not compromised..(vs some other new tv's)
To go even further, I would be really interested to see old high-quality Sony trinitron TV vs some modern TVs. Also, some high quality plasma vs modern (be it QLED or OLED). That would be really interesting, especially when it comes to trinitrons.
Still trying to figure out why Vincent shows that awful video clip every time he talks about skin tones.
Those guys look sickly yellow, the skin tones are not natural.. unless Daniel Craig was filming this movie with jaundice
There are lots of good pictures he can use for skin tones yet he repeatedly uses that one which clearly has unnatural looking skin.
Their skin is about the same color as yours Vincent... that's not natural,
He only owns James Bond and Powers Rangers (twice) lol
0:54 "to achieve higher pick brightness than what conventional OLED TV's are capable off"
Panasonic started this heatsink idea years ago and they still doing it 😉
Peak.
@@musguelha14 Sometimes I don't understand myself 😁
panazonic sucks dick unless you want a TV for 90 days at the cheapest price
Already have my 77in G2 ordered. Can’t wait to get it!
Any chance for a comparison with the Sony A90J or A90K, since they use the same panels and also have a heatsink like the G2?
Nah , the A95K will be better option this year , cant wait for that tv
For gaming forget it...it will be overpriced and as usual updates will suck that's sony these days....and not to mention the weak ps5 and his flaws...
@@piensluc7444 Yep and only 65 '' max , Now for this year black friday , best option will be LG 83G2
@@piensluc7444 sony tvs always have better Picture quality , better color accuracy , powerful processing , better upscaling, better iOS , better sound quality etc
@@piensluc7444 i heard it'll actually be good for gaming this year it's supposed to be "ps5 ready"
@@piensluc7444 don't you mean the Samsung S95B? Already having software issues
The G2 could be the pinnacle of RGB TV's. So bright, Good noise reduction to handle low-bit rate sources and any 'better TV' next Year (2023) will only be far more expensive with less value in any improvements.
Can you elaborate ? I’m debating getting g2 or waiting
@@peopleperson7263 I feel that which TV you find best in the end is always going to be subjective or how much of a movie fan you are. The G2 just strikes me as amazing value for the features and future-proofing you're getting: and I have had to demo it but only very crudely in a store because I'm admittedly just a casual viewer in the end in terms of TV but I do want good Standard definition upscaling where possible. So while Sony's A95 might be better (even slightly brighter) for some, it's over £600 more the value doesn't cut it for me.
@@netweed09 I got the c2 !
Any plans to do a A95k vs G2 side by side comparison?
I would have thought this would have been a very popular and important comparison... Thanks for all that you do!
The successor to the A95K next year or a Panasonic equivalent could be very interesting with the new MediaTek chipset and a properly driven QD-OLED panel in 77“.
Does parasonic support hgig?
@@helloguy8934 yep
This is exactly what i’m waiting for :)
Does the new Mediatek chipset support more hdmi 2.1 ports?
@@matthieu634 Damn. Parasonic is sounding pretty dope now. How is the input lag?
I'm stuck in a loop where I keep watching the next video he segues into. Please help it's been 2 weeks
Please, test the VRR gamma flicker on the Samsung QD-Oled too when doing the comparison.
Don't worry I am sure he will find some fault on S95B.
I have had two s95bs, I loved it but that flicker sure does kill the tv for me. I returned my first because I thought it was an issue with the panel I got, then realized it does it on everything. I just traded it in today for a g2, waiting on that to get here. I liked the brightness but my god does the flicker annoy the hell out of me. I can’t unsee it, and even notice it in movies now. I really wanted to love the tv, but that has been a major issue for me and pushed me to return to lg. The different bugs combined with the slowness of the ui really put the nail in the coffin for myself, although it might not bother others as much
@@levidavidson1508 if you see it on movies then it's not the VRR flickering, it another problem, since movies don't use VRR. I heard the TV has a brightness flicker issue, maybe that is what you noticed
It would be nice if you could also do videos about 2022 mini LED TVs. A lot of people don't want OLED and are interested in new mini LED models like the TCL C83/C93 or Samsung QN90B/QN95B.
My Life in Gaming hated this TV, too many regressions.
In hdr, the peak brightness of the primary color is less than 50% of white, so the white wash out is worse, right? And in vivid mode, is the high gradation clipping and sunken near black still there?
G2 or g1 for gaming on ps5, sports and some movie watching?
Do we know why the removed BFI at 120hz?
We just want to know if its better overall choice compared to samsung qd oled
You will need an objective review from somewhere like rtings for that instead of from LGTV test.
It's a shame you don't mention how dim SDR Game Mode is on LG OLEDs ever since the 2020 models. Why LG have capped the nits I still don't understand.
Marketing and sponsered
SDR is unofficially set to a 200nits standard. But, yeah, I can understand how that's disappointing. I have a hard time recommending OLEDs for bright rooms.
@R Keith: SDR games are not something we routinely test in our TV reviews anymore for a good few years now, since the latest AAA titles are all in HDR (for better or worse).
@GosumassB: This video is not sponsored by LG. If it was, we're obligated to declare it, otherwise it's illegal.
The "Includes Paid Promotion" message in this video refers to the sponsorship by UK electrical retailer Crampton & Moore.
this video was sponsored by LG. he's not going to do something like that on a sponsored video.
@Joseph: You're just parroting the same lie without evidence. As stated before, this video is not sponsored by LG. If it was, we're legally required to declare it.
Also, if this video is sponsored by LG, why would we point out the shortcomings on the G2, such as removal of 120Hz black frame insertion at 3:23 in this video, as well as the off-axis pink tint at 5:13?
We are always fair and honest in our reviews, constantly pointing out the pros and cons of all TVs we test, so that potential buyers can make an informed decision.
Everyone on the internet think the Samsung S95b QD OLED is an oversaturated mess bcos of ur last vid on the Tv😆can’t wait for ur full review of the Tv💪🏽
You should have seen the G2 pre-calibrated, a blueish mess.
Just look it up on Rtings...
A much too cool color temp of 7000 K -boosting blue tint.
And gamma is too high at 2.28 Making dark scenes appear crushed.
It only takes a whole community of people who don't know a single thing about TV's to start the myth that LG is accurate out of the box.
When Vincent talks about S95B it's pre- calibration
When he talks about LG G2, it's after calibration.
Sadly 90% of his subs have no idea what I just said.
They only pick up on certain things "LG GOOD, SAMSUNG BAD"
Who's everyone?
@@MMTT7sALd almost. Like almost anyone on his last video's comment section. I mean it wasnt wrong, but again, its not as severe as ppl makes it look like
@@Lasse3 You can't 3D LUT calibrate the S95B though. Also, Samsung's DTM can't be truly turned off, no matter what. In addition, even attempting to calibrate correctly with Calman gives incorrect results as the TV fucks with test patterns.
@@collinjgreen I've said that a thousand times already.
Undefeatable DTM, with HGIG = Double tonemapping.
I would not recommend the S95B for console gamers, that's for sure!
If you don’t talk in the review about some negatives as the loss of color volume and color gamut in high brightness, because you are “saving it” for a comparison video with the qdoled, you are being biased.
Why such tricks , when credibility is what have put you where you are and not LG.
Your audience is not the average consumer and will notice as you can see in other comments
@Enzel02: We have pointed out many shortcomings of the LG G2 in this review, such as removal of 120Hz black frame insertion at 3:23 in this video, the off-axis pink tint at 5:13, the undertracking of PQ EOTF with HGiG Game Mode at 8:00, the VRR flicker & gamma shift at 9:00, etc. If we are biased, why would we demonstrate these shortcomings?
We have been experimenting with spreading out our reviews over more than one video, because if we had to do an all-exhaustive review where no stone is unturned, we'll never finish editing & publishing a video review when we have so many other videos to do. The Wonder Woman side-by-side comparison at 12:12 in this video is literally alluding to colour saturation at high brightness which we will cover in the follow-up video.
Video in progress... LOL
Vincent making other youtubers cry again!! LOL...
KEEP CRUSHING IT VINCENT!!👍
Why do you think the Alienware was more resistant to IR than the S95B? If I remember correctly, it didn’t suffer from IR at all during testing.
He's probably faking it. I haven't had any IR. I don't do conspiracy theories or any shit like that but more and more this guy is looking like an LG shill.
Great video once again 👍 the best reviewer no doubt
I find my LG G1 77 to be too bright in a lot of scenes. With the high contrast, I don't understand why people would want brighter. In a dark room, the G1 can hurt my eyes with the contrast. Am I alone? I am guessing the size makes it even brighter...
fullscreen high apl scenes can still look abit dim on an oled cuz it will trigger abl. But in a dark room ur good to go with an oled.
A80J 65" can hurt my eyes in dark room in some HDR scenes, but in minor occassions. I am not a fan of even higher brightness then A80J or something similar.
I have the same „problem“ in a dark room, but have only a LG C1 77, I also dont understand why it shoud be brighter than that.
And our living room is not dark, we have three big windows here.
You are not alone, i have same thought around that
Yeah, my GX is plenty bright enough. I'm still blown away by how good it is.
Buying a C2 or G2 today. Mostly for gaming Xbox series x... Help me decide?
Obviously G2 if you have the money.
Nahh. Went with the C2 after and ended up comparing with a friend's G2. Not worth the extra IMO.
I gather that in the image retention test that the Samsung S95B is displaying higher nits (from the description as being at "full blast") than the LG G2. I wonder how the Samsung would do if it were held back to displaying the same nits as the LG.
Seriously. The discrepancies in this “review” are absurd. He said he was “saving” white subpixel dilution for a future video. This is the review! Come on now.
@@blueversace4447 yeah the lg sponsor is clear for some of us…
I would love to see a comparison between 2017/2018 oledTV vs 2022 OLED TV. I own a LG C7 from 2017
This TV is one year too late. Comparing it vs last years models make me feel like I am buying a last gen product for current gen prices.
Not worth it. Would rather go for the A90J if forced to buy one.
100% agree. Too much white subpixel boosting on the G2, resulting in loss of color.
But why did they remove black frame insertion at 120hz? i wanted that feature for gaming on my console.. now i am waiting for a new that has it