See the Difference: Before & After 18 Manifold Upgrade! 2013 6r80 mustang GT
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CHAPTERS:
0:39 - Upgrading Donnie's Engine
2:52 - Installing 2018 Manifold
6:27 - Tuning 2018 Manifold
9:23 - First Drive Impressions
12:05 - Morning After Review
13:44 - Race Gas vs Pump Gas Comparison
15:39 - Data Log Analysis
18:18 - Final Thoughts on Upgrades
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Being mad at the radio playing is one of my favorite parts every time 😂
He wasn’t mad when he was jamming and singing along. To Beyoncé
I’m the same way.
To radio: “stfu”
The UHHH after the order gets me everytime
I’m sick of people just throwing a bunch of parts and making 1k+ hp. I want to see this stuff, tweaking and slowly improving what’s there and seeing the changes, what works and doesn’t. Keep testing!
More s197 content! Teach these kidsssss!! 😂
I second this. I have a 14 I'm trying to build up for boost. Probably a paxton or Ess kit.
@@Marine2111usmc do they make the ess kit for gen 1?
@@TTyotenot yet. But they need too asap
@@TTyoteESS said they will be releasing one soon
@AndrewBaker302 oh I thought they already had one.
something about 11- 14 s197s they hold a special place in my heart
The main thing for me is the S550 stance crowd doesn’t touch them lol
@169abr this. The type of crowd the s550s draw is what keeps me away that's one of the reasons. I just prefer the older more raw cars with solid axle. That's what I'm used to that's what I like. It's different too nowadays with everyone on the s550 bandwagon lol
@@midnight347 I wouldn’t say it’s a bandwagon they are just really good platforms to make a lot of power for cheap and it works very well
This build reminds me of my 2014 GT.. same color, similar mod path. I am glad my dusty LU47s could be put to use on Donnie.
You donated the lu’s?
@Eroc224 yep. I have been following Alex since before VMP. He is one of the few who gives honest advice and feedback. If he doesn't know the answer, he doesn't bullshit you. He also has been awesome at tuning my current build.
@07:25 That radio given you some sass during the calibration flashing haha I needed that small laugh after work this last night.
That intro is 🔥 👍
everytime you release a video on donnie it makes me want an s197 more and more
The radio comes on blasting and his torrents instantly kicks in 😂😂😂
I toasted my Roush TVS throttle body at 30k miles without a catch can. Haven't had a single issue since installing one (at 72k miles now). Great video, Tio! Love the Donnie build
Start off the sunday with a video from Alex. 🫡 yessir.
Great Content! Keep it coming!
Can’t wait to see what improvements E85 brings.
Love the s197 content! Got to meet Justin yesterday and now this video.
Love the content. Thank you for calling out all the people saying "you dont need carch cans" unfortunately some people, you cant teach them shit. 🤷🏻♂️ I stopped trying to help people a lot time ago because of that lol
Love the informative content Alex 🙏🏼
The Ford chime - "I'm a Ford, I'm a Ford"... You can't unhear it now....
Really liking the intro! 🔥 I've seen improved results keeping the CMCV/IMRC plates active. Firms up the bottom end which will lower the 0-60 and 1/4 mile E/T's. Also had the ported '18 mani in my '17 6R80 car, it ran very well! Thanks for the content! 👍
Great editing, really enjoying this build series.
This channel is getting pretty amazing. This was well done for a quicky video. Great explanations and detail.
If that intro does pump you up I don’t know what would, loving the S197 content
Donnie is definitely the right name for the car!
I had one of these on my 13 Trac Pac. I could feel the difference on manual.
You’re not lying, Catch cans help and have caught a bit of oil vapors in my S550, they are an important mod whether it’s NA or boosted.
Great video. Catching people up on the game. 18 mani def great option
Alex, you should document the oil change when this thing is due. I know you use Motorcraft! Oil is another one of those things people get so far off the coast with. It's something that I think goes along with this build series!
Since you invited me over, I ordered the Lund tune from lethals website. The motor is new so hopefully whoever gets my tickets will go over the data to make sure everything mechanical is working right if not back to the dealership she goes so they can fix things. If she’s fine awesome, I’ll start saving up for the whipple this winter for the F150
Love the channel brother. Just pure content for coyote mods. I've settled on getting a 13-14 Coyote 6speed manual. I think they are the best looking of the retro s197.
Awesome video! KEEP ON ROCKING! I am living vicariously through you with my S197
Loving your content my man
Very informative content Alex keep it up. I might have to buy a gen 1 and follow your build
Very Informative.. Thank you!
12:10 what the fuck was that Alex!? 😂😂😂😂😂
Uhhhh😂
@@Stangnation 😭😭😭😭🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
LMAOOOO
Awesome content Alex, cant wait to see what it does with a converter
Alex trying to keep his taste in music hush hush. 😂
Did you say giveaway for the 18 ported manifold?😩 I’m literally on the same step as you kinda on the same car omg love the content Damnt! 😂
As usual, the content is fire!!
Thanks for the S197 content Alex
Awesome content Alex 👍
Damn Sunday video and a show later? Shiittt say less
Thanks for the content Alex
Love the gen 1 content!
Great video. on a gen3 I've got to replace my TB with same but new replacement do I need new tune or will learn throttle angles thanks for the time you put in to bring use these videos.
I'm going to have a similar setup in my early S197 Coyote swap so this is very good info. I already have an 18 manifold, 52lb injectors (w/ PBH spacers), longtubes, and its probably going to get nothing but E85. Might get a Circle D converter too.
Mid to low 11s easy 🤙🏼
@@iniguezignacio9 Not to mention I'm putting in the 11-14 electric power steering rack too, so less parasitic loss.
@@Smasher-DevourerI'm gonna do a gen 2 in my 97 cobra with a ported gen 2 cj and cams and long tubes I'm gonna spin it to 8000 possibly 8300 t56 magnum weight reduction it should only be around 3000 lbs without me in it when I'm done so it's gonna move pretty good. Your setup should go deep 11s at a good track.
@@midnight347 Yeah, that lighter chassis helps a lot. Plus my car is just a base GT so no extra weight. It even surprises me sometimes with the 3V in it. My 3-1-1 coyote is going to be nuts. 12:1 compression and E85. might slap a blower on it eventually. Gotta see how well my rebuild does NA first. (I've rebuilt a 5.7 Hemi before with success)
@@midnight347 Make sure you get a good clutch.. if you were to ever miss a shift when your already over 8k.. the motor is gonna be toast.. trust me.. did it to my gen 2.. before getting a Ben Calimer stg3..
Got to love the intro
I just did my PB in my 17' F150 SC 4wd 3.5 ecoboost of 12.48@110.71 on E50. With a bad 60ft. I'm hoping my revision comes in this week with corrections.
Grab next lane Alex 😂
How do you have a bad 60 foot with that much torque down low and 4wd? You must be on a shit road or have shit tires possibly both.
Btw 12.48 at 110 is pretty fast for that mph so your 60 couldn't have been that bad.
@midnight347 my 60ft was a 1.99 and most f150's like mine are cutting 1.7's - 1.8's and getting down to 12.0 or even breaking into the 11's. I have upgraded rear shocks, front and rear diff braces, traction bars, and even tried a smaller diameter tires compared to my stock 20's with AT tires and the 60ft times stayed about the same. I'm just now learning that it's most likely a setting in the tune, something with torque limit but I'm not sure. Hopefully 5star gives me more info on it and sends a revision for improvement. With my suspension modifications I was assuming breaking into the 11's would happen
👍👍
Awesomesauce!!! I can't even begin to say how much I'm going to reference this video on the need for catch cans. The driving point here, a 70K Coyote of Gen 1 architecture. Exhibit A and people will see you removing the stock mani.
I have the same car and am debating doing the 18+ manifold, PMAS, and Lund tune. I just can't decide if a ported one is better. I'm not concerned about the price difference. Not sure of future plans except high flow cats and midpipe. Do you think different gears (3.55 or 3.73) would help down low on these cars with a 2018+ intake? Thanks.
Alex flexing the Galaxy watch on the poors 😂😂😂
Might be a bit bias with a sterling grey boss302 swapped track pack car you tuned but love seeing some fresh s197 content.
was sad about no sunday live stream. but i got a video out of it so it’ll work 👍🏾
He goes live at 8pm now
About damn time let’s go
Nice to see the science and vetting behind the tunes. For example purposes and you show whatever low grade gas you have down there? 87?
87 is terrible and should never been ran even in a stock car. You can only run 87 in a stock car it pulls the hell out of timing to keep the motor alive at 11:1. It's just not a good idea to run 87 I don't care what Ford says lol. It also gunks your fuel system up more.
Any regrets on not going manual on this? Great content for the gen 1s
He already had a crazy manual s197 in the past, he's always said he wanted a 6r80 street car.
Guess I need a catch can. Especially if you’re going to drive the thing hard. Putting around slow perhaps you don’t but why have to clean throttle blades. Less I have to do to my ride the better if a can helps why not. If you have boost even more so.
So is an 18 manifold the only year that is an upgrade? Or are the 19 and 20 manifolds the same? Also are the “18” mustang manifolds different from “18” F150 manifolds? I know this has been discussed I just haven’t been able to catch a detailed explanation so I apologize. Thanks in advance.
It’s called 18+ manifold because 18 up are same for s550 platform and yes the truck 18 manifolds are different
18+ manifold is any mustang manifold 18-23, F150’s have garbage manifolds from factory and need swapped immediately. If you have a Gen 1 you can also get a Boss mani for much cheaper and you don’t have to fuck with mounts or hood cutting.
I wish i knew the mods you had on this.
Iv got a tuned 6 spd manual 2013 gt with an intake, long tube headers, dymo said 427 hp.
Ran a 12.5@115mph.
Wondering if an 18 manifold would help me, i have the rev limiter set at 7200 just so i can stay in fourth through the gate but it definitely feels like shes lacking up there.
@@First_Take. I literally say it in the video
@@YDBT4LIFE thanks for the response. I'm surprised all it had prior was a tune and an intake, with shift points above 7k they say you should be worried about the oil pump gear. Yet you had yours at 7400. Wild.
Alex I don’t care what any troll assholes say about catch cans or anything else if you say it I take your advice period. You work at LUND RACING and have been in the game so long how can you not!! If these trolls want to not follow it then thats on their slow soon to be blown yote. 😂
Being in the game a long time doesn't mean you're not full of shit. Many guys out there prove that. Fortunately Alex isn't one of said dudes lol. Alex has honestly about parts and what's works and doesn't it's pretty obvious. It isn't hard to see who knows what's up and who doesn't. I been around as a Ford guy 20+ years long before the coyote existed so I was there and seen it all in real time. It's nice seeing light shined back on these s197s cuz I think many people today underestimate them and don't realize how close they are to the brand new mustangs performance wise for a fraction of the cost.
The editing ❤❤
Nice .very nice video like always. Could you tell me if you would put a throtle body bbk 1821 would be good or not at all always wonder about that .will it give hp or not.or will you have a diference.
No need
At least I know I'm not the only one that talks crap to my car when I'm working on it!🤣🤣🤣
can you list off the current mods you’ve added in the description?
Black one looks so much better. I know that wasn't why it was changed but changes the engine bay.
Manifold is definitely doing work; as you mentioned 29 is great for pump (up from 25-26). Could any of the gains be from 95 fuel? May not be enough octane to matter, but if Donny had 94-95 from 6 gallons of 93 + 1-2 gallons of 100.
It's possible but no real way of measuring. Mph. Being up consistently on straight 93 over race gas is promising
6.29 a gallon here in comiland I just pumped 6 gallons also.
Does anyone remember when a cup of coffee was a dollar?? I could go back further to when a gallon of gas was 79 cents per gallon. God I miss those days 5 bucks got you over 5 gallons.. I'm still blown away everytime I go into wawa for a 16oz coffee and it's over 2 bucks...
the sounds alex makes while pulling hoses and plugs off hahaaha
That coffee order 😂😂
Hi Alex, i had a question about the proflex commander flex fuel kit no tune kit. What are your opinions on this kit and do you think it is safe to run on a 19 gt. I like the concept of not having to tune the car and to be able to run a mix of 93 octane if you can't find e85 without haveing to change maps. I know I'm probably going to get ripped on this but I'm ready LOL
It's stupid
Hey Alex i know dynos are just a tuning tool but from experience 90mph in the 1/8th and 114 in the 1/4 would you say that is about 400-415 wheel horse on a full weight s197? Thanks bicho.
How much did switching to e85 help?
Did Donnie's car have cams? If so will you be going with the same ones once you put the new engine in?
little Asmr action at the start with the manifold lol
Hey Alex, should I throw a ported 18 on my stock 14 6R80 car with 152,000 miles? (I'm being serious) 😅
Sure
@@YDBT4LIFE it's my daily though I'm not sure if that will change much. In terms of safety for the engine and reliability at that mileage.
@@caseycardenas1668 it feels better with the stock Mani. But performs better with the gen 3 mani
@@YDBT4LIFE any concerns doing this modification at that mileage? Thanks for your replies!
@@caseycardenas1668 no concerns you should be ok!
does 1st to 2nd gear ever feel like it shifts hard for no reason? that is the only "issue" my car has
Thanks!
Til now, the tune has made the biggest difference
@@downhilldaddy5282 headers gained .5
why did you have to re tune it after the 18 mani install? Because of the LU47s?
Hey Alex I have a rear sway bar relocation kit. Just been sitting in my tool box. It’s brand new. It’s yours if you want it.
Send to pbh pls
@@YDBT4LIFE I’ll get it out there.
So no one is going to comment on the coffee order moan...alright. LOL
Bro I thought I was crazy he did it last time too 😂💀
Is this a good guide to follow for a gen 1 f150 rcsb with gt intake cams?
Jesus I need them to clean my engine bay too.
Running 12-12.2 everyday at DA 600-1100, e85, steeda cold air , 28x10x17 Hoosier. PB tune stock mani. 11.96 best ever. Im 250 lbs and only take spare tire out.
@@razerginn LMAO.
It would be cool if you could put the price of each mod to see what the build would cost
Let’s see this thing on e85 now
I'm a bit curious how it would have done with a ported stock intake manifold versus the 18 ported manifold.
I still don't think it's gonna do that well there's no reason to do that as cheap as the 18 manifolds are you can even buy already ported ones fairly cheap.
@@midnight347 fair enough. Was just curious.
Hey Alex is it worth having an 18 manifold ported? I’ve got one to put on my gen 1 but it’s a stock 18 manifold not ported for an 18
Only if you want to grow with it later on but honestly on a car with stock cams and light mods I would not
@@YDBT4LIFE thanks for the info this video is full of good stuff!
Donnie's Party!
If there was no video, just audio. I would have thought I was watching WomanDriven with the noises you were making 🤣
Imo, intake manifold is the best horsepower per dollar compared to other mods NA.
I mean the reason is because the intake manifold is the main restriction to making more power it's also cheaper than cams which is the other main na restriction. Do them both together for best results particularly with a ported cj to get the most from the cams (you need cams, especially in a gen 1, to properly take advantage of what the cj can do which is why you see 18 manifolds not far behind on stock gen 1 cams it still don't match the cjs power curve and average power but it ain't far behind on on peak ecsp when used with gen 1 cams because the stock cams don't allow the cj to shine). Ported cj and cams ftw na. It's more expensive but it will be significantly faster than your typical fbo 18 manifold setup. It's also significantly cheaper than properly boosting one contrary to popular belief so its not a bad option. People don't realize how much quicker that setup is vs typical bolt on setups. The peak to peak comparison only tells part of the story. I seen a gen 1 car pick up 50 rwhp going from already having an 18 manifold to doing cj and cams it would be up alot more over a stock manifold car. The power curve extends out alot better and average power through a pull is significantly improved.
Good morning can I please have a medium hot coffee with cream and sugar? Uhhhh😩😩😩😩😩
Damn the inside of your engine was more dirtier than mine when I did my manifold swap at 120k miles.
I liked the moan at 12:10😂😂😂
@5:27 is that screw supposed to be in there?
Lmao did you moan when ordering coffee 😂😂😂
Bro with the moan sound effects lol.
Caution- Did you change the oil pump gears? The more you rev it above the original redline puts the motor at risk of breaking them.
That is absolute horse shit nonsense. Alex has already stated that opg are basically snake oil and aren't needed unless you're bouncing off the limiter especially when boosted. Revving higher isn't gonna break opg it's bouncing off the limiter that does that. People do it even boosted then wonder why their opg broke lol
My N/A car broke broke them due to time over redline, and never hit a rev limiter.
Verified by Ford engineers to be true:
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Definitely has a bottom 12 in it with the bustelo can on there and no hood.
What kind of wrist watch is that homie?
Samsung Smart watch.
Goat!!!