I bought the S23 plus this year which is the first Samsung I've bought since the S8 plus, mainly due to them getting rid of those battery draining hand warmers called Exynos. I shall be returning to the opposition on my next upgrade if the Snapdragons disappear again, I don't want a second rate product because of where I live
If I heard any Exynos words in next Samsung phones, I will switch to another phone brands and never looks back. Exynos is junk and always be junk for next decay. Currently happy with my current s23 ultra 1tb 😊
@@GH0STST4RSCR34M it's not as if the Exynos equivalents performed any better than those two chips, in fact they were still worse. If it was a year when both chips were running poorly it's simple, I just wouldn't upgrade at all that year
The 2 problems they face is: 1. Even if it has the potential to perform better than Snapdragon, the Snapdragon will still be more optimised by devs. And 2. Even if they do make a decent chip, people aren't going to immediately become super excited. Just hearing the word "Exynos" really puts a lot of people off. Both of these problems can only be solved if they're good, and good *consistently* so it's going to take them years to turn things around, and they're fighting an uphill battle of their own making. I hope they do well, some added competition for Snapdragon means better chips and/or lower prices for us the customers.
You are wrong in one thing, the price is going up not down if more and more chip manufacturers are sharing the market, just think about it, if 100million sold chip need to cover the investment it cost less per chip when you need to get the same on 40million sold chip, and you can be sure nobody will say that we selling less amount of chip, so the yearly.profit is also fine if will be lower.. they will charge more on each chip to maintain their previous year profit, even if they manufacturing judt half amount of chip, they wi not give up the profit.. the only difference here is that you need to pay millions for multiple companies just for the chip design/yearly innovations, and you will pay that price even if they only sell 1 chip per year..
The way I see it they have to essentially beat sd 8 gen 3 in every single catagory ie. Performance, battery life and heating by atleast 10% to remove the bad public image associated with the word "EXYNOS". But the problem is I find that happening to be highly UNLIKELY.
@@naqibfarhan4356 the heating is the most problem, without that they should keep up the performance, but because of the heating they throttle more like the others, what cost them the sustained performance. And the heating issue comes from the inferior Samsung fab, their transistor density is a joke, and if you need to make a bigger chip to use the same amount of transistor, then they lose a lot (the 30% longer wire had the exactly same extra resistant like the 30% wider wire, so their 4nm use the same energy like the 5.2nm from the others)
one huge problem problem with exynos chip is bad gpu driver optimization , since eclipse is based on RDNA and the support is almost non existent, even for mali and adreno gpu optimization still lacking and the gpu update able driver support in play store is non existent, gpu driver still depends on firmware update from the OS update. Another thing is the ISP optimization, exynos 2200 have bad camera video recording on launch ,this is quite funny since samsung is the exynos owner and it's run bad again on their phone s22 ultra exynos. From here we can see although samsung phones use chipset from their own, the optimization suks hard which is a shame
Exynos is using MaliGPU, so most MaliGPU Cpu arent good optimized for devs. on Snapdragon they mostly do (except the samsung manufactor ones like 865?, 865+?, 888, 8 gen 1...)
@@casuarius6576 Optimization is not the issue. Mali GPUs are known to have very poor OpenGL ES drivers (which is the most commonly used API on Android). It's where Mali fails. On paper they are indeed faster (8 Gen 2 GPU being the obvious exception), but their APIs support is crap.
The thing that drives me crazy is the fact that they're deliberately making two phones that perform very differently from each other and still selling them at the same price. If they want to keep using their chip to gain insights and data about performance etc. for developing purposes, they should offer that model at a lower price full stop, or just stick to using ONE chip for all markets, whether it be SD or Exy. I won't be buying any other S Ultra until we have some serious results and equity between the two models. My S21 Ultra is literally unusable this summer, due to constant overheating and low battery life. It's a fucking joke
At least thet should fully disclose which phone are selling to you, but thats the kicker, they try so hard to hide wich version are you buying, you have to go to third-party sources to know which version they are sending to which country
I think that if they launch the s24 series with Exynos in some countries, a good answer to that from general public would be not buying it or buying offers on the s23 series till sold out. I think that, if they want to experiment with Exynos, they can do it with medium to lower devices. Samsung sells a lot on these categories so it can be worth for them. If you pay for premium, you are expeacting premium processor, but if you pay half ot third of premium, why not to be a good "territory" for Exynos to try? Maybe one day Samsung actually manage to get to the top with their chip (I doubt it) but, in the mean time, is very baf idea to keep premium prices om mediocre processor, they losing trust of consumers, like they did already with their tvs by overpricing Leds, drpping qualitu one year to another, bad software upgrade (like iPhone, so next year launch looks much bette) etc..
It makes me disappointment why a Deca core Exy.2400 gets outclassed ..In a video it was literallly laging on home screen with idle state... Its a flagship processor you know...Why people won't Sue exynos to stop making ..or start making neew chipsets😢😢😢
@@kmimiteh 24 series is fucking weird here, s24 and 24+ use exynos but ultra uses snapdragon... what the fuck. Atleast s23 series ran all snapdragon. Now you literally have to psy for more speed even when its ment to be flagship series, not just one phone, slltho exynos they use in s24 series probably outperforms last series still likely
The problem is how Samsung chip manufacturing processes are infamous for producing chips that overheat(and thus consumes more power with poorer performance) no matter which chip you purchase(for eg nvidia 30 series graphics card) until they fix that TSMC will be in a huge lead no matter what....
Wrong. Their manufacturing process is actually as good as TSMC. HOWEVER. It's Exynos's chip architecture that sucks ass... Why are they using Mali GPU? Adreno is so much better.
@@nugget6635 the CPU itself is the same architecture, with minor differences. the problem they had with the mali GPUs historically were that they skimped on the size of the gpu and jacked up frequency to compensate. i don’t know if this is still the case but it was a common problem in some android SoCs for awhile.
@@nugget6635 it isn't as good as tsmc. snapdragon 888 and 8th gen1 was maufactured by samsung and had mediocre to poor efficiency. better than exynos though.
Let me briefly explain why Samsung will not be getting my money. I do not agree to pay MORE for a phone with an inferior processor. Yes, I do say more because in most countries which get the exynos, there’s additional shipping costs, as well as lower currency. So Samsung you can get stuffed!
Very interesting, I hope Samsung cracks the chip market finally but honestly perhaps they would be better served at the moment using "high end" exynos chips that almost but don't match snapdragon in their non premium phones. Almost flagship performance for the users, higher margins for Samsung but more importantly massive amounts of real world data to work out efficiencies and iterate until Exynos is a flagship level chip.
They used to be in box seat before making deals with Qualcomm. Go and ask LG who destroyed their mobile phone reputation and business with their hand warmers.
@@bulletpunch9317 I see your knowledge is shallow and you can't remember when the Exynos was best and Samsung turned feature off and throttle to match up with the SD.🤭
Something really painful about exynos also comes in the form of Tensor. Heats up like crazy, bad battery life and whatnot. And huge part of the blame goes to the exynos the Tensor was based on.
yeah, Pixel 6 victim. Just browsing the net up to 40°C with 25°C room temp and no direct sun... Samsung Modem takes 4-5% just standby compared to 1-2% with Wifi only. It' so bad... No Pixel with Samsung based tech for me. No Samsung Exynos over 400 Euro. In a low/mid device I can get over it, at least my previous phone was not ideal but fine. That was 300 Euro though. I would never spend S Galaxy money for a Exynos. Never imagine the Tensor G1 is as bad as it is...
Many consumers felt shortchanged because Samsung charged the same or more money for the inferior Exynos version. If it was cheaper, than snapdragon version, reflecting the actual savings Samsung got for using Exynos, people wouldn’t mind. Look at how popular the Galaxy A5x series despite using Exynos. Consumers want value for the money.
@@MatijaBozanic Same, that's why I got the A52s. The A54 is just slightly better, the A53 was left in the dust by the A52s. They should just drop the Exynos already. It's always a couple generations behind.
Hope they stick to Snapdragon... Europe ALWAYS pays more not "sometimes" so it's unfair we were previously stuck exclusively with the garbage edition and had to import actually decent phones...
I remember back in Snapdragon 800, 810, 820 (samsung galaxy s5, s6, s7) era Exynos used to perform better than the Snapdragon. I wish and want Exynos to succeed Competition is always a better for consumers
As much as I don't like the Exynos chips, I want Samsung to succeed with their Exynos push. We want competition on the market, not a monopoly. This will make Qualcomm stand down for a little esp on prices.
With the lousy Samsung manufactured one? Thanks to Samsung lousy manufacturering, we had so many version of overheating and lousy chips for years. Luckily tsmc took over. No more lousy one from Samsung anymore, not now, not future See how pixel tensor still suffering in 2023 thanks to Samsung when all others have move on
I hope exynos get smacked even by sd 8gen2 and sell waaaay less s24 than s23. After that they will understand that they can't facking around with our money.
Most tech enthusiasts either don't know or seemingly ignore the fact that Exynos used to be superior vs Snapdragon many years ago. U.S. users would have to import the international Exynos model if they wanted better performance, battery life, and features like 4K 60fps video recording WITH NO TIME LIMIT. Snapdragon models were restricted to 4K 60fps recording with a 5 minute time limit. Exynos was the first to not have that limitation. It would be great for Exynos to eventually become for Galaxy phones what the A-series chips are for iPhones. Tighter integration between the SoC and One UI would be amazing.
Had an exynos based is S22 but traded it out early because of poor battery life and heat. So I was happy to hear they'd switched for the S23 - was considering an S24 next year. If it's back to Exynos though - probably not. Shame really
Samsung is unnecessarily overpriced tbh compared to the competitors like oneplus which also ships similar hardware . I know Samsung build quality is better & all but it's not worth double the price of oneplus or Xiaomi . after all they all have the same hardware inside but only rebranded as different companies
@@SuplexCityF5you also got better software updates on samsung..and the xioami one..i stay five feet away from their device..yeah they were cheap and have good soc but the problem of build quality and battery bloating in just 2 years..just nahh
Here, we have both and both of them have a different price. I was looking for galaxy s22, which costs 550 dollars with Exynos chip and 800 dollars with Snapdragon chip
I have an S22 Exynos. And I don't really notice any issues with it. Battery last more than a day, everything works as expected. It is never hot and never freezes. I really don't know what people use their phone to notice the differences.
You could add that in Europe for example we had less for more ..... the price were higher due to money conversion, higher local taxes etc ...... that was really unfair, less power, more throttling, less battery. less optimisation. And when it comes to a flagship price,some people don't know when they buy but Will eventually learn from competitors, geeky friends, hence feel betrayed. Remember flagships changes every 12 months, when competitors blow away you specs a few months after the buy , and you're still paying you phone's plan for one or two years..... bad taste in the mouth. Again we are talking high price flagship. So if it exists somewhere else. then you must give something in return. law of commerce. Samsung is a great company, they make great products very often, i hope that they understand that an Exynos even just on par With the Snapdragon would require, more gifts to consumers, and probably youtubers.
Samsung doens't believe that both CPU are same level otherwise they would give the Exynos to Ultra, too. Exynos is for lower priced devices and countries which are not that important for them.
Even though the Tensor chipsets in Pixel phones are different than a stock Exynos that would go in a Galaxy, some hope of how good or bad a Exynos in a S24 will be hinged on how good the Tensor G3 in the Pixel 8 phones perform particularly in the way of general performance and efficiency since both areas were behind comparable Snapdragons. With rumors that the Tensor G3 is in for its biggest change yet, an Exynos in a S24 may not be as bad as we're thinking.
Samsung recently fired their whole processor making team and they took almost 2 years to develop this one and we can hope that its this 2400 . So there is still a little hope but as we all know it has never been to our expectations , lets hope for the best ..
@@adbhutspinogamingthat was what Sammy boy said years ago when we bashed lousy exynos, saying the exynos will take over snapdragon soon with the collaboration with amd or what ever shit. Doom snapdragon guess what. Exynos doomed earlier
@@GH0STST4RSCR34MWell it's chip made by samsung and it's been based off current gen exynos both years. It's not the same, but the basic architecture is
Exynos 2100 was a ray of hope after Exynos 990 fiasco, but Samsung needs a lot fo effort to convince the futuer buyer that they are not going to buy future Samsung with *infamous inferior* future Exynos. The result of 2200 was a step back after promising 2100.
the problem with exynos 2100 and its eclipse gpu is the driver, driver is not optimal and even i heard they're using api translator vulkan to OpenGL, this even with high efficiency makes the performance load higher or the gpu works extra, instead of using native OpenGL that works well and better
If they are using snapdragon in core markets and ultra - Samsung know it’s better. All others with exynos are paying the same for less. Equivalent performance isn’t good enough to pay the same and be part of the beta testing programme to improve future models.
if exynos and snap doesn't make much difference(or exynos is bit lesser in performance and worse in heating with minimal difference), use exynos and make phone cheaper
I hope the s24 gets ridiculous sales in EU... i had my first and last Exynos with s8. Wanted to buy the s24 but now I see I'm stuck with ultra if I want to avoid Exynos, so I'll just skip s24 at all
Last year I wanted to switch from poor Exynos S9. But after release of the S22 and experience over the Internet I had to change my mind. I wanna have flagship for 4-5 years and it would be another long pain. So I was hoping. And I was lucky with the S23. I am impressed with this year's battery life, performance and cold running of the phone. I don't see any reason to pay expensive phone in the EU and make more money to Samsung for discounts in Snapdragon countries like US. Especially if they sell me much worse device.
Don’t feel alone mate , historically in Australia we got bent over with the sub standard Exynos too . As always , in the end , it’s all about making a buck by giving a portion of the customers a cheaper chipset , while giving the premium chipset to the more valued customers.
Exynos has potential. Everyone is moving towards custom silicon. Samsung is the only manufacturer with as widespread a market share and a lineup of devices covering everything from the ultra-low end to the ultra-premium end. If they can get their best chips close enough to SD, they can get very price competitive and subsidise the difference via their lower end models. And maybe that means they could support their entire lineup for longer, which is basically what's pushing customers towards Apple.
The very big problem is Samsung phones with snapdragon chips are sold the same price with the inferior exynos variants. We will switch to Huawei P series if Samsung continues to cheat us with the stated reason.
I think the Exynos 2400 might be actually good. They will use an imoroved 4nm process with improved yields and efficiency. They will also use 10 cores instead of 8, which--done right--improves power per watt. They will also use 4 times the GPU cores based on the same RDNA 2 architecture.
@@sulaman4280 Samsung doesn't need to have faster chips than apple. 3nm is still new and the advantages to improved 4nm silicons are more or less neglectable. Rather are 3nm chips still too exprensive, so Samsung has to use their in-house chips using in-house silicon to be better value for money.
@@petouser Samsung chips have been shit since the s10 error lag and battery dies fast on normal use they need 3 nm we have been on 4nm on Samsung since the base 8gen 1 and Samsung doesn't utilise their chips the 2200 was a joke rdna for what they put crap that they don't use themselves or it doesn't function 80% of the time. If Samsung actually fixes these problems which they never do since the s10 on chipset then the exynos needs to go. 3 Samsung has fallen after the s10 in quality aswell the base s model being 1080p is one thing but rip it out of the plus and take away the in depth sensor and qhd made Samsung so crap the best out of Samsung is eather the ugly chocolate bar phone to have qhd and in depth sensor or the fold series everything else has been trash for 3 straight years
@@sulaman4280the plus and the base are the same other than size, you can't say it's ok to be 1080p on the base but not the plus, also almost no one cares about the plus, but the downgrade to the base is what caused sales loss.
The Galaxy S6 had the exynos chip I did not notice that I had that phone for almost six years before the batteries like I'm done I could definitely tell the battery was definitely getting drain a lot more with that chip
Without watching the video, cuz Exynos was shit, especially the GPU performance. May have improved, but it's stuck to many people head that Exynos sucks.
It's easy. If the next Samsung flagship uses Exynos I'm not getting it. Rocking a Fold 4 now and given the differences I'm not upgrading to Fold 5. If the Fold 6 or other folding flagship next gets Exynos it's game over for Samsung for me.
@pranavjs not happening Samsung is just lazy and thinks of saving money and here is what I think pay up Samsung give as what we want and you'll get your money worth otherwise you'll lose everything just like LG Samsung clearly lost a lot of money same as apple profit is going down only company climbing up is honor giving us what we want and keeping price really low
@@pranavjsIt doesn't matter much, the tech community (we) are a very small group of consumers. The people that buy a flagship every year or buy their preferred brand will buy it anyways.
@@casuarius6576 stop meatriding Exynos already, our trust has been broken by Samsung Multiple Times in the past, we aren't going to be trusting Exynos ever again even if it performs better than SD on paper or real test it doesn't matter anymore how good Exynos becomes, we got trust issues with the name Exynos
I'm on my way for a new phone, and Samsung was a top option, since iPhones are a no for me. Seeing snapdragon coming to the ultra this year I was hopeful that the new Ultra in Europe was going to be SD again with a needed improvement to the cameras (where the Ultra doesn't completely convince me). But Exynos, hard no! Maybe I give then a chance to prove me wrong, but most likely will settle for a China brand, or maybe 23Ultra on a good discount. Either way, no lower performance for same money. Don't award companies your money if they don't deliver.
Lets hope that since samsung makes exynos, they continue to release software updates that help work alongside and help the exynos chip perform better in the long run and even better yet (a man can dream), outeperform snapdragon.
For the those dreading the return of Exynos in the S24 series, can I offer some hope in saying that It appears that Samsung will only be offering the Exynos 2400 on the base S24 'in selected markets' and will be offering Snapdragon 8Gen3 on the S24 Plus and S24 Ultra in all markets according to some creditable sources. Can anyone out there confirm or deny this categorically?.
@@starlord6819 We can but hope. Samsung need a successful platform for Exynos this year though. The Exynos 2400 version of the base S24 needs to noticeably outperform it's 8 Gen3 counterpart to set a small platform for a potential all Exynos S25 or maybe S26 series which Samsung will hope can outperform ANYTHING. Bold plans and difficult to turn into a reality, but by no means impossible.
This is more logical. If you don’t mind you get the basic S version with Exynos processor. You want to pay more for the + or Ultra then you get the better and decent Snapdragon processor. Sounds fair enough for me.
In the Uk we always got the Exynos version and as a Consumer I never had issues . Untill the youtubers went on and on about the exynos vs snapdragon nonsense. I am still rocking my exynos S21 ultra with no issues and still giving me good battery life even with gaming like COD mobile. So skipped the S22 and S23 ultra. Might go for the S24 ultra even if its exynos if it ticks my boxes.
I bought S21 Ultra in India. It was last Exynos in India. After 2 years use, it drains battery like anything. Using 10-15% battery use while being on standby. Heats up like oven while using Camera. On the other hand I have Galaxy S7+ Tab with Snapdragon 865. It barely loses 1% in overnight despite being 6 months more old than the phone. Now desperately waiting for S24 to come out in few months so that I can switch to Snapdragon finally.
S23 will become cheaper in the upcoming BBD sale. I think u should go for that. They will have s24 with Exynos in India fosho. I'd recommend you have a look at the s23 or switch to something else. Some company that doesn't charge more than the USD value for a relatively garbage product.
@@casuarius6576device is draining battery because it's Exynos. No software issue No application issue No cache issue Exynos has higher idle drain and it consumes double the battery than snapdragon for doing the same task.
Owner of Samsung Galaxy Alpha Exynos 5430 (2014) "beta tester idoT"... That thing was a mess and since then i never bought a Samsung phone again. Battery lasted couple of hours, performance was meh at best, there was lagging and throttling and a lot of heat, wifi connection and calls abysmal.
Lol, you got a low-end device for the time you bought it, that chipset wasn't supposedly to perform any better compared to the Galaxy S5 Exynos or the Note 4. Try the S21FE Exynos
My S22 with the Exynos is literal trash. 2h SoT of battery is my avarage with normal usage, UI lags on every step and it's a goddamn oven. No matter what I do it's hot and really uncomfortable especially in the warmer days.
Well, I just looked up which 'chip' was in my S20+ 5G SM-G986BZADBTU dual sim unit. Turns out it's a Exynos 990 2.73GHz. (I used the CPU-Z utility to find this out). I've been running it for at least 2 years and have never been worried by (a) the battery and (b) the performance - and that's for audio, video, Microsoft office apps etc. Android 13/OneUI 5.1. UK purchase. So, unless SnapDragon is going to send someone around to clean my sink as well, I'm not in the slightest bit concerned about selecting the S24+ equivalent next year.
Speaking for myself my a53 celly works well for me. The subsequent a54 has a "clockier" chip but figure average users feel a big difference - unless gaming.
Samsung Exynos phones in Nigeria always have NETWORK ISSUES. U NEVER GET FULL SIGNAL NETWORK SIGNALS IN in arrears with low network signal but Tecno, infinix, vivo has strong network signal in same environment
Luckily for the rest of the world, other first world countries got the exynos back then and complained, if Europe and the US would have both gotten the snapdragon then samsung would just be deaf lol.
Exynos was not always bad. Till Galaxy S4, the Exynos was often better than the SD and Mediatek. That's why I was able to use my galaxy note 3 from 2013 till 2018. However, if I compare all the phones nowadays, the Exynos is garbage. Or more recent example is the comparison between my S22 Ultra (exynos) and the Galaxy S23 Ultra or Galaxy Z Fold 3 that was sold in the EU with SnapDragon SoC. My S22 Ultra always had the worst battery drain even though the battery health is currently at 99%. To be honest, that's also why I got now a Xiaomi 13 and once I paid off the s22 Ultra, I'll be selling the S22 Ultra and start using the Xiaomi 13 but first of all I have to flash EliteRom on it since stock MiUi sucks and doesn't have call recording which doesn't allow me to sue some call center company after they call me again and try to sell me some garbage or ask me if I want to join Jehovas Witnesses XD With my s22 Ultra and the call recording unlock I was already able to earn 24.700Eur. and that's also why my current car has a sticker on bumper that says "sponsored by spam call centers and my lawyer"
I bought a Samsung S20 Note Ultra 5G with the Exynos 990 CPU chip in it instead of the Snapdragon chip. Problems? I haven’t noticed any at all. It’s a 2nd phone, my main phone is an iPhone 12 Pro Max. I’m very impressed with my S20 and haven’t experienced any shortcomings during extensive use. The batty certainly isn’t draining.
The only reason I upgraded from my S20+ was the fear of buying another Exynos phone whenever I decide to upgrade. 8 Gen2 for the Ultra has to be the most refined experience I have ever had.
@@VarunSrinivas they probably already have ;) (wasn't there a safety regulation? 43°C or something like that for laptops parts where you touch it? I think 50°C does create burn damage when holding it a few 10s of minutes.
I had Samsung A54 and the Exynos was heating up just by texting, causing tons of battery drain, but now with Xiaomi Poco X5 Pro (Snapdragon), the Chipset remains cool when playing light games using a slower charger as well.
If Galaxy S24 series were to retain Snapdragon flagship chipsets, then I will buy the new one. If they decide to switch back to Exynos chipsets, then I'll buy S23+ once the price is right.
It is already confirmed that they will switch back to exynos for some regions. If you are not living in south korea, US, you will definitepy get exynos variant.
if that happened, the price for 23 series won't go cheaper for that reason "different chips" but i expect that s23 series will climp to be more expensive than S24 series with the trashy chips 😂😂😂
@@GH0STST4RSCR34M Well, my S7 and S9 are snapdragon and I bought them in Brazil. Anyway, I hope it doesn't get made by Samsung. We saw how much of a difference TSMC makes in the SD8 gen 2.
I got a Samsung S23 Ultra precisely because it doesn't use an Exynos chip. If Samsung tries to force me to buy an Exynos chip by the time I have to upgrade, then I'll simply switch to a different android (maybe even try an iPhone for once).
@@Ome99 A fanboy? LMAO, so I can say that you're a hater as well. Nope, I say it by experience never have had heating issues, lag, or bad efficiency using Exynos in the high end segment.
That is not the worst part, Samsung and Apple along with Pixels use LI-ion batteries that are crap, look for Li-Po which are found in Oppo and their sub brands, Motorola, Xiaomi ect, faster charge and longer cycles.
I was so confused between A34 and A54, after analysing every pros and cons. My final decision came down to A34, just because of Mediatek processor in A34 compared to A54 with Exynos. I was worried for poor vibration motor on A34, but to my surprise its more than adequate for me. So it was a good decision
I have had the A34 for 3 weeks and buttery smooth it's a cracking phone no lags or stutters the battery is phenomenal 2 days easy,and it doesn't even get Luke warm glad I didn't get A54 with Exynos crap👍👍👍🔥🔥
Very interesting video. But, I think that worst than the differences between Snapdragon and Exynos is the fact that Samsung makes phone with country locks. You buy a flagship phone in Asia, and when you come to north america, you realize that you don't have access to 5G. Or that some software are not available...
that's because of diffent frequences/bands used in different countrys for 3 up to 5G. It also could be a sh*tty reason like patents behind it. Or both.
@@nopenope1 It's not a patent design. It's only because Samsung don't wanna pay royalties... But they still say to you that's an "international" phone...
@@AlainLafond i already mentioned patents, in that case I see that the same. And at least a few years back some modems just do not have all bands included. This also can have a technical reason or a country has a very uncommen band in use. Esp. 5G I believe the bands are even more diverse from country to country. And we both do probably not thinking about the very high bandwidth 5G stuff, do we?
I’m Korean and I have to say Samsung has always been ignorant to everyday normal customers (GOS for example) Exynos will never catch up, since there’s no need for them to do so
The fact of the matter is that the vast majority of people who use a Samsung phone with an Exynos processor simply don't know or don't care. I agree it's a bit disingenuous of them to ship different and technically inferior processors with their overseas phones. That being said, I don't think we should cheer for Qualcomm in everything. They've already got the monopoly on the majority share of the market. More competition is always a good thing.
Those latest release like exynos 2200 and exynos 1380 are wayyy better than those exynos released 3~4 years ago. Samsung is putting so much effort to make exynos great and efficient, just give samsung 1~2 years, it will eventually catch up with Qualcomm. 💪
I guess I'm the odd one for not actually hate on Exynos models because: 1: Support for custom ROMs 2: I don't need all of that performance 3: They are cheaper on the used market
I'm among the few who don't hate it. The Snapdragons have really terrible GPS accuracy, so there have been times when I wished that I had an Exynos processor even if they are less efficient with battery use (I don't think most people care about having the horsepower to edit or render videos).
Omg! I realise it now. My phone has lower calibration these days (S23U user) compared to my previous phone - Note 10+. I am realising it now, thanks to you.
My previous phone (non-Samsung) was powered by a Snapdragon 865, and my current (also non-Samsung) phone is powered by a Snapdragon 888. I saw that both phones somehow mentioned their directional accuracy as 'low' in Google Maps, even just a single day after using calibrating the GPS and using the navigation function. Looks like this indeed might be a Snapdragon issue. Thanks for the comment!
It's all about optimization. This processor was decent on android 13, but on Android 14 it performs like a flagship (if you do a factory reset after the update). Buttery smooth with no lags or stutters.
Nice joke. Exynos isn't burned forever. If they want gain more costumers from Apple they should bring back Exynos with better performance and efficiency.
I think they should keep using just snapdragon for their flagship phones and keep the exynos just for Galaxy A and M series. Once they are proven better and are considered good, they can return to the flagship.
Fuck Exynos. I'm with everyone else, if they bring back Exynos in Europe next gen, I'm simply not buying the S24/S25/S26 etc until Snapdragon comes back. Got burnt once with an exynos S9, never again.
@@casuarius6576 buddy you're gonna sit here and try to deny my own experience? i know what i had and i know it was shit, overheated like crazy and wouldn't go farther than 3hrs of screen on time. had to switch to a mi9, (technically) an inferior phone and yet i still had a better time with that one since it had an actual flagship SoC, didn't overheat, and i got solid 5-6 hrs battery life with it. exynos is garbo, deal with it.
@@majkati69 The Mi9 has a newer high end SoC also the S9 have less battery capacity, so in battery the mi9 have more advantage for the SoC process node and battery. If your S9 was overheating you should have tried to see if the apps or games were using resources and draining battery in the background, also checked for the latest software firmware to solve the heating or the remaining problem, or try clearing cache as well and rebooting to see how it behaves, othwrise you got a bad unit. Exynos is quality, deal with it.
Simply the snapdragon 8 gen 3 is far powerful than Exynos 2400 that's why they are only putting gen 3 in ultra version people should just not buy this shit Exynos
I am using a mobile with exynos 1280. I faced heating issues and reduced performance when I first bought the phone. After the one ui 5.1 update, those issues were gone. The heating was reduced and I was able to play Genshin Impact at 50 to 60 fps with the phone just warming a little. I feel like Samsung has finally optimized their mobiles for their chipset
@@madzoroyal How does a Exynos work in this enviroment, when you write this down, be carefull and patent this or at least do it in a sience journal, you might be in for a Nobel price 🤪 I mean, with 25°C here my device runs up to 40°C with only use of the browser. Pixel 6 and it's based on Exynos and build with Samsung tec/chip manifacturing tech.
Just experiment with the exynos chips on your cjepaer devices samsung. Selling flagships phones is already an uphill battle for samsung or any android manufacturer as that space is monopolized by the iphone.
everyone forgets that in 2016 when s7 was released, how atrociously slow and bad 4core Snapdragon 820 was and how 8core Exynos 8890 was light years away in every aspect (except gpu) and still holds up nicely today.
I don't see any coverage about the Samsung Semiconductor Manufacture Plant. I thought the Samsung Manufacturing process was also problematic, because some SD Gen 1 that was manufactured by Samsung got worse efficiency than the one that was manufactured by TSMC
I have a S21 FE with Exynos 2100 and I got to say it is stable and doesn't overheat as much as earlier exynos chips but also the latter exynos 2200. If Samsung just continues that route they might create a chip that has similar performance to Qualcomm's.
Im using s20 fe 4g with exynos 990 and to be honest it hasnt slown down actually its performing better now in day to day than when i bought it,mainly because of OS. Even the camera is better and fingerprint faster.
But still overheats even when using apps like TH-cam, Reddit or Twitter sometimes I have the same phone with the same SoC, I wish I had bought the 5G version instead
Samsung foundry is the mess ,,they shud let tsmc fabricate thr chips ,,samsung is same culprit making google tensor core cpu ,,which is hotter and slower ,,
I switched from the S20 FE with the Exynos 990 to the S 22 base model with the Exynos 2200. The 2200 doesn't get warm as fast the 990 and is stronger. The 8 Gen 1 is not more efficient, so I can live with it, currently. But I would like to have a Snapdragon in my next phone (all phones I ever used had either MediaTek or Samsung-Chips).
Goddamn i still dont understand why people cry about not having the fastest tech. Im still using Snapdragon 805 from 2014 and every other new chip is probably at least 5 times faster than mine.
I'm so disappointed, why isn't Samsung putting an S-Pen slot in the smaller S24 line-ups?❓? We are 2023 and still there's no successor of the smaller Galaxy Note 10 with a built-in S-Pen slot ⚠️ 😭
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I bought the S23 plus this year which is the first Samsung I've bought since the S8 plus, mainly due to them getting rid of those battery draining hand warmers called Exynos. I shall be returning to the opposition on my next upgrade if the Snapdragons disappear again, I don't want a second rate product because of where I live
Yes and I'll do the same
same!!
If I heard any Exynos words in next Samsung phones, I will switch to another phone brands and never looks back. Exynos is junk and always be junk for next decay. Currently happy with my current s23 ultra 1tb 😊
@@GH0STST4RSCR34M it's not as if the Exynos equivalents performed any better than those two chips, in fact they were still worse. If it was a year when both chips were running poorly it's simple, I just wouldn't upgrade at all that year
@@mjhieusuper And Qualcomm is garbage and always will be.
The 2 problems they face is: 1. Even if it has the potential to perform better than Snapdragon, the Snapdragon will still be more optimised by devs. And 2. Even if they do make a decent chip, people aren't going to immediately become super excited. Just hearing the word "Exynos" really puts a lot of people off. Both of these problems can only be solved if they're good, and good *consistently* so it's going to take them years to turn things around, and they're fighting an uphill battle of their own making. I hope they do well, some added competition for Snapdragon means better chips and/or lower prices for us the customers.
You are wrong in one thing, the price is going up not down if more and more chip manufacturers are sharing the market, just think about it, if 100million sold chip need to cover the investment it cost less per chip when you need to get the same on 40million sold chip, and you can be sure nobody will say that we selling less amount of chip, so the yearly.profit is also fine if will be lower.. they will charge more on each chip to maintain their previous year profit, even if they manufacturing judt half amount of chip, they wi not give up the profit.. the only difference here is that you need to pay millions for multiple companies just for the chip design/yearly innovations, and you will pay that price even if they only sell 1 chip per year..
The way I see it they have to essentially beat sd 8 gen 3 in every single catagory ie. Performance, battery life and heating by atleast 10% to remove the bad public image associated with the word "EXYNOS". But the problem is I find that happening to be highly UNLIKELY.
@@naqibfarhan4356 the heating is the most problem, without that they should keep up the performance, but because of the heating they throttle more like the others, what cost them the sustained performance. And the heating issue comes from the inferior Samsung fab, their transistor density is a joke, and if you need to make a bigger chip to use the same amount of transistor, then they lose a lot (the 30% longer wire had the exactly same extra resistant like the 30% wider wire, so their 4nm use the same energy like the 5.2nm from the others)
one huge problem problem with exynos chip is bad gpu driver optimization , since eclipse is based on RDNA and the support is almost non existent, even for mali and adreno gpu optimization still lacking and the gpu update able driver support in play store is non existent, gpu driver still depends on firmware update from the OS update.
Another thing is the ISP optimization, exynos 2200 have bad camera video recording on launch ,this is quite funny since samsung is the exynos owner and it's run bad again on their phone s22 ultra exynos. From here we can see although samsung phones use chipset from their own, the optimization suks hard which is a shame
Exynos is using MaliGPU, so most MaliGPU Cpu arent good optimized for devs. on Snapdragon they mostly do (except the samsung manufactor ones like 865?, 865+?, 888, 8 gen 1...)
The Adreno GPU in the Snapdragon was crazy fast compared to the Mali GPU in the Exynos chipset.
The Exynos 2100 Mali GPU Beated the Qualcomm 888 Adreno in 3d Mark.
Problem is the optimization
@@casuarius6576The 3d mark didnt make my games get more fps, otimization or not is not my problem, why would I get something that performs worse.
@@mateusferro271 Exynos performs better.
Key is optimization.
@@casuarius6576 Optimization is not the issue.
Mali GPUs are known to have very poor OpenGL ES drivers (which is the most commonly used API on Android).
It's where Mali fails.
On paper they are indeed faster (8 Gen 2 GPU being the obvious exception), but their APIs support is crap.
@@ThibautMahringer Developers should use Vulkan Api.
The thing that drives me crazy is the fact that they're deliberately making two phones that perform very differently from each other and still selling them at the same price. If they want to keep using their chip to gain insights and data about performance etc. for developing purposes, they should offer that model at a lower price full stop, or just stick to using ONE chip for all markets, whether it be SD or Exy. I won't be buying any other S Ultra until we have some serious results and equity between the two models. My S21 Ultra is literally unusable this summer, due to constant overheating and low battery life. It's a fucking joke
At least thet should fully disclose which phone are selling to you, but thats the kicker, they try so hard to hide wich version are you buying, you have to go to third-party sources to know which version they are sending to which country
I think that if they launch the s24 series with Exynos in some countries, a good answer to that from general public would be not buying it or buying offers on the s23 series till sold out. I think that, if they want to experiment with Exynos, they can do it with medium to lower devices. Samsung sells a lot on these categories so it can be worth for them. If you pay for premium, you are expeacting premium processor, but if you pay half ot third of premium, why not to be a good "territory" for Exynos to try? Maybe one day Samsung actually manage to get to the top with their chip (I doubt it) but, in the mean time, is very baf idea to keep premium prices om mediocre processor, they losing trust of consumers, like they did already with their tvs by overpricing Leds, drpping qualitu one year to another, bad software upgrade (like iPhone, so next year launch looks much bette) etc..
It makes me disappointment why a Deca core Exy.2400 gets outclassed ..In a video it was literallly laging on home screen with idle state...
Its a flagship processor you know...Why people won't Sue exynos to stop making ..or start making neew chipsets😢😢😢
@@kmimiteh 24 series is fucking weird here, s24 and 24+ use exynos but ultra uses snapdragon... what the fuck. Atleast s23 series ran all snapdragon. Now you literally have to psy for more speed even when its ment to be flagship series, not just one phone, slltho exynos they use in s24 series probably outperforms last series still likely
The problem is how Samsung chip manufacturing processes are infamous for producing chips that overheat(and thus consumes more power with poorer performance) no matter which chip you purchase(for eg nvidia 30 series graphics card) until they fix that TSMC will be in a huge lead no matter what....
Is it the circuit design of the chip or the manufacture process
@@NetvoTVit’s the manufacturing process
Wrong. Their manufacturing process is actually as good as TSMC. HOWEVER. It's Exynos's chip architecture that sucks ass... Why are they using Mali GPU? Adreno is so much better.
@@nugget6635 the CPU itself is the same architecture, with minor differences. the problem they had with the mali GPUs historically were that they skimped on the size of the gpu and jacked up frequency to compensate. i don’t know if this is still the case but it was a common problem in some android SoCs for awhile.
@@nugget6635 it isn't as good as tsmc. snapdragon 888 and 8th gen1 was maufactured by samsung and had mediocre to poor efficiency. better than exynos though.
Let me briefly explain why Samsung will not be getting my money.
I do not agree to pay MORE for a phone with an inferior processor. Yes, I do say more because in most countries which get the exynos, there’s additional shipping costs, as well as lower currency.
So Samsung you can get stuffed!
Guess what...no one cares
Very interesting, I hope Samsung cracks the chip market finally but honestly perhaps they would be better served at the moment using "high end" exynos chips that almost but don't match snapdragon in their non premium phones. Almost flagship performance for the users, higher margins for Samsung but more importantly massive amounts of real world data to work out efficiencies and iterate until Exynos is a flagship level chip.
They used to be in box seat before making deals with Qualcomm.
Go and ask LG who destroyed their mobile phone reputation and business with their hand warmers.
@@malidan1196box seat? What deal?
@@bulletpunch9317 To fabricate SD SOC's. Samsung make more money from components than phones.
@@bulletpunch9317 I see your knowledge is shallow and you can't remember when the Exynos was best and Samsung turned feature off and throttle to match up with the SD.🤭
@@malidan1196 when was all that? The throttling to match sd? And what does samsung fabbing sd chips have to do with this?
Something really painful about exynos also comes in the form of Tensor. Heats up like crazy, bad battery life and whatnot. And huge part of the blame goes to the exynos the Tensor was based on.
yes! also no one talks about it!
yeah, Pixel 6 victim. Just browsing the net up to 40°C with 25°C room temp and no direct sun... Samsung Modem takes 4-5% just standby compared to 1-2% with Wifi only. It' so bad...
No Pixel with Samsung based tech for me. No Samsung Exynos over 400 Euro. In a low/mid device I can get over it, at least my previous phone was not ideal but fine. That was 300 Euro though. I would never spend S Galaxy money for a Exynos. Never imagine the Tensor G1 is as bad as it is...
@@nopenope1 using the 6a myself. I feel your pain.
Try the S21 Ultra or the S22 Ultra Exynos, you won't regret it, and have better thermals and performance.@@nopenope1
@@nopenope1not that bad since you can find Samsung phones that are pretty cheap (like less than 50% of original price) after two years new.
Many consumers felt shortchanged because Samsung charged the same or more money for the inferior Exynos version. If it was cheaper, than snapdragon version, reflecting the actual savings Samsung got for using Exynos, people wouldn’t mind. Look at how popular the Galaxy A5x series despite using Exynos. Consumers want value for the money.
Most of them I believe, but that was also said in the video. On the other hand, I would never get A52s in case it was Exynos model.
Superior Exynos versions now.
@@MatijaBozanic Same, that's why I got the A52s. The A54 is just slightly better, the A53 was left in the dust by the A52s. They should just drop the Exynos already. It's always a couple generations behind.
Exynos was an thinly veiled cost cutting cash grab.
If you say that, you0re delusional, Exynos is ahead.@@friddevonfrankenstein
Hope they stick to Snapdragon... Europe ALWAYS pays more not "sometimes" so it's unfair we were previously stuck exclusively with the garbage edition and had to import actually decent phones...
Garbage edition were the Qualcomm variants in recent times excluding the S23 line.
@@casuarius6576 factually incorrect
@@mephistophelesgg7963 You're incorrect.
@@casuarius6576 you're incorrect
@@_YashSawant you're another person who can't handle facts
Very happy that I bought the S23 ultra with a Snapdragon in February - so I won't have to worry about any Exynos lemons for the next 4 years
And Exynos is good.
@@casuarius6576yeah, right.. 😂
I'ts proven by the tests🤣@@parshakamarsh 😂😂
@@casuarius6576it's trash😮
Exynos is great😎👌👌 and not trash/junk like their competition, proven by tests and benchmarks.@@ilynpayne7491
I remember back in Snapdragon 800, 810, 820 (samsung galaxy s5, s6, s7) era Exynos used to perform better than the Snapdragon.
I wish and want Exynos to succeed
Competition is always a better for consumers
As much as I don't like the Exynos chips, I want Samsung to succeed with their Exynos push. We want competition on the market, not a monopoly. This will make Qualcomm stand down for a little esp on prices.
With the lousy Samsung manufactured one?
Thanks to Samsung lousy manufacturering, we had so many version of overheating and lousy chips for years.
Luckily tsmc took over. No more lousy one from Samsung anymore, not now, not future
See how pixel tensor still suffering in 2023 thanks to Samsung when all others have move on
@@fantasytky28Google's Tensor chips are Samsung EXYNOS😂 look how Google pixel has same heat issue and thermal throttling
I hope exynos get smacked even by sd 8gen2 and sell waaaay less s24 than s23. After that they will understand that they can't facking around with our money.
@@theidiotgamer4306i hope it gets smacked by 8gen1.
@@99Teutons ahahah I don't think they could make exynos 2400 that bad... 🤣🤣 And 8gen 1 is already a really bad, Samsung made chip...
Most tech enthusiasts either don't know or seemingly ignore the fact that Exynos used to be superior vs Snapdragon many years ago.
U.S. users would have to import the international Exynos model if they wanted better performance, battery life, and features like 4K 60fps video recording WITH NO TIME LIMIT.
Snapdragon models were restricted to 4K 60fps recording with a 5 minute time limit. Exynos was the first to not have that limitation.
It would be great for Exynos to eventually become for Galaxy phones what the A-series chips are for iPhones. Tighter integration between the SoC and One UI would be amazing.
Well it simply depends if Samsung Foundry has closed the huge gap with TSMC or not. I doubt it since it seems Samsung's 3GAP won't be ready yet
3gap is 3nm chip, exynos 2400 is 4nm.. Its yield is 75% while tsmc is 80%. Its expected samsung 4nm yield will reach 80% when s24 launched
Had an exynos based is S22 but traded it out early because of poor battery life and heat. So I was happy to hear they'd switched for the S23 - was considering an S24 next year. If it's back to Exynos though - probably not. Shame really
Samsung is unnecessarily overpriced tbh compared to the competitors like oneplus which also ships similar hardware . I know Samsung build quality is better & all but it's not worth double the price of oneplus or Xiaomi . after all they all have the same hardware inside but only rebranded as different companies
@@SuplexCityF5what makes iPhone different then?
Thats not how it works
Qualcomm S22 bade model as worse in heating management and efficiency.
@@Cocxy69 aaand then we have dumb people apparently who doesn't know anything but just want to argue for the sake of it
@@SuplexCityF5you also got better software updates on samsung..and the xioami one..i stay five feet away from their device..yeah they were cheap and have good soc but the problem of build quality and battery bloating in just 2 years..just nahh
I hope Samsung releases two versions: A cheaper Exynos version (maybe $100 or so) and a regular priced Snapdragon version.
Dream on.
The day is fast coming where they may go all Exynos, that's because they only need the SD for US 4G bands.
I doubt. But that would be acceptable. As things are right now, in my region, I can buy only Exynos version.
@@Espada_no_4 Seriously, us Europeans don't need that Exynos crap.
Here, we have both and both of them have a different price. I was looking for galaxy s22, which costs 550 dollars with Exynos chip and 800 dollars with Snapdragon chip
@@pixelgaming7261 Us Europeans don't need Qualcomm garbage.
Exynos is good.
I have an S22 Exynos. And I don't really notice any issues with it. Battery last more than a day, everything works as expected. It is never hot and never freezes. I really don't know what people use their phone to notice the differences.
You could add that in Europe for example we had less for more ..... the price were higher due to money conversion, higher local taxes etc ...... that was really unfair, less power, more throttling, less battery. less optimisation.
And when it comes to a flagship price,some people don't know when they buy but Will eventually learn from competitors, geeky friends, hence feel betrayed.
Remember flagships changes every 12 months, when competitors blow away you specs a few months after the buy , and you're still paying you phone's plan for one or two years..... bad taste in the mouth. Again we are talking high price flagship.
So if it exists somewhere else. then you must give something in return. law of commerce.
Samsung is a great company, they make great products very often, i hope that they understand that an Exynos even just on par With the Snapdragon would require, more gifts to consumers, and probably youtubers.
Samsung doens't believe that both CPU are same level otherwise they would give the Exynos to Ultra, too. Exynos is for lower priced devices and countries which are not that important for them.
bruh! remember when exynos used to be better than snapdragon? wayyy back in galaxy S6, S7 edge days.
Even though the Tensor chipsets in Pixel phones are different than a stock Exynos that would go in a Galaxy, some hope of how good or bad a Exynos in a S24 will be hinged on how good the Tensor G3 in the Pixel 8 phones perform particularly in the way of general performance and efficiency since both areas were behind comparable Snapdragons. With rumors that the Tensor G3 is in for its biggest change yet, an Exynos in a S24 may not be as bad as we're thinking.
Wrong bro, tensor g3 is based on exynos 2300, not exynos 2400
Samsung recently fired their whole processor making team and they took almost 2 years to develop this one and we can hope that its this 2400 . So there is still a little hope but as we all know it has never been to our expectations , lets hope for the best ..
Maybe
@@adbhutspinogamingthat was what Sammy boy said years ago when we bashed lousy exynos, saying the exynos will take over snapdragon soon with the collaboration with amd or what ever shit. Doom snapdragon
guess what. Exynos doomed earlier
@@GH0STST4RSCR34MWell it's chip made by samsung and it's been based off current gen exynos both years. It's not the same, but the basic architecture is
Exynos 2100 was a ray of hope after Exynos 990 fiasco, but Samsung needs a lot fo effort to convince the futuer buyer that they are not going to buy future Samsung with *infamous inferior* future Exynos. The result of 2200 was a step back after promising 2100.
The Exynos 2200 was a step right but the optimization at the beginning and the low yield of the Samsung 4nm process node hold it back.
Just use exynos in your A series and use snapdragon in the s series
the problem with exynos 2100 and its eclipse gpu is the driver, driver is not optimal and even i heard they're using api translator vulkan to OpenGL, this even with high efficiency makes the performance load higher or the gpu works extra, instead of using native OpenGL that works well and better
They should at least offer Snapdragon on all Ultra devices.
Better offer Exynos in the Ultra models as well.
The s23 has snap dragon on all models
All of us here in the UK are dreading it
If they are using snapdragon in core markets and ultra - Samsung know it’s better. All others with exynos are paying the same for less. Equivalent performance isn’t good enough to pay the same and be part of the beta testing programme to improve future models.
if exynos and snap doesn't make much difference(or exynos is bit lesser in performance and worse in heating with minimal difference), use exynos and make phone cheaper
I come from the future to let you know the samsung chip is, yet again, worse than the snapdragon. Good thing, at last in this case, I live in the US.
I hope the s24 gets ridiculous sales in EU... i had my first and last Exynos with s8. Wanted to buy the s24 but now I see I'm stuck with ultra if I want to avoid Exynos, so I'll just skip s24 at all
You can get s23
They all snapdragon worldwide
Last year I wanted to switch from poor Exynos S9. But after release of the S22 and experience over the Internet I had to change my mind. I wanna have flagship for 4-5 years and it would be another long pain. So I was hoping. And I was lucky with the S23. I am impressed with this year's battery life, performance and cold running of the phone. I don't see any reason to pay expensive phone in the EU and make more money to Samsung for discounts in Snapdragon countries like US. Especially if they sell me much worse device.
try Exynos in the S24.
@@casuarius6576 no, I buy a phone for ca. 4 - 5 years so I am not gonna buy it with SD or Exynos anyway...
@@casuarius6576The s24 won't even last more than 24H on standby.
That's how trash those Exynos chips are.
@@99Teutons the S23 can't last more than 48 hours on standby.
How's crap are Qualcomm chispets also the competition chipsets in front of Exynos.
I think us UK customers are going to get screwed again with Xynos chips. Big love, kindest regards, Richard U.K
Don’t feel alone mate , historically in Australia we got bent over with the sub standard Exynos too .
As always , in the end , it’s all about making a buck by giving a portion of the customers a cheaper chipset , while giving the premium chipset to the more valued customers.
Get a foldable.They all use SnapDragon
@@LarsRyeJeppesen Many thanks my friend 🙏
Screwed?
That stopped since the Exynos 2100 and 2200.
Exynos has potential. Everyone is moving towards custom silicon. Samsung is the only manufacturer with as widespread a market share and a lineup of devices covering everything from the ultra-low end to the ultra-premium end. If they can get their best chips close enough to SD, they can get very price competitive and subsidise the difference via their lower end models. And maybe that means they could support their entire lineup for longer, which is basically what's pushing customers towards Apple.
Actually Xiaomi has the same scale of products and marketshare
The very big problem is Samsung phones with snapdragon chips are sold the same price with the inferior exynos variants. We will switch to Huawei P series if Samsung continues to cheat us with the stated reason.
absolutly, Exynos has potential to get fusion working :P
They won't on their greatly inferior Node.
Everybody = apple, Samsung, mediatek and Qualcomm
Remember tensor is also an exynos
I think the Exynos 2400 might be actually good. They will use an imoroved 4nm process with improved yields and efficiency. They will also use 10 cores instead of 8, which--done right--improves power per watt. They will also use 4 times the GPU cores based on the same RDNA 2 architecture.
Apple has hit 3 nm on the 15 when it comes the s24 needs to move to 3nm chip
@@sulaman4280 Samsung doesn't need to have faster chips than apple. 3nm is still new and the advantages to improved 4nm silicons are more or less neglectable. Rather are 3nm chips still too exprensive, so Samsung has to use their in-house chips using in-house silicon to be better value for money.
@@petouser Samsung chips have been shit since the s10 error lag and battery dies fast on normal use they need 3 nm we have been on 4nm on Samsung since the base 8gen 1 and Samsung doesn't utilise their chips the 2200 was a joke rdna for what they put crap that they don't use themselves or it doesn't function 80% of the time. If Samsung actually fixes these problems which they never do since the s10 on chipset then the exynos needs to go. 3 Samsung has fallen after the s10 in quality aswell the base s model being 1080p is one thing but rip it out of the plus and take away the in depth sensor and qhd made Samsung so crap the best out of Samsung is eather the ugly chocolate bar phone to have qhd and in depth sensor or the fold series everything else has been trash for 3 straight years
@@sulaman4280the plus and the base are the same other than size, you can't say it's ok to be 1080p on the base but not the plus, also almost no one cares about the plus, but the downgrade to the base is what caused sales loss.
@@sulaman4280 The Exynos 2200 optimization problems most were caused by third party apps and games, You should blame developers as well.
The Galaxy S6 had the exynos chip I did not notice that I had that phone for almost six years before the batteries like I'm done I could definitely tell the battery was definitely getting drain a lot more with that chip
Without watching the video, cuz Exynos was shit, especially the GPU performance. May have improved, but it's stuck to many people head that Exynos sucks.
It's easy. If the next Samsung flagship uses Exynos I'm not getting it. Rocking a Fold 4 now and given the differences I'm not upgrading to Fold 5. If the Fold 6 or other folding flagship next gets Exynos it's game over for Samsung for me.
What if they get the making right and instead of thermal throttling and low gpu performance,they out perform snapdragon with better GPU by amd?
I like your words and I'll do the same
@pranavjs not happening Samsung is just lazy and thinks of saving money and here is what I think pay up Samsung give as what we want and you'll get your money worth otherwise you'll lose everything just like LG Samsung clearly lost a lot of money same as apple profit is going down only company climbing up is honor giving us what we want and keeping price really low
@@pranavjsIt doesn't matter much, the tech community (we) are a very small group of consumers. The people that buy a flagship every year or buy their preferred brand will buy it anyways.
The Fold never used Exynos
I had the S22 Ultra with Exynos. The performance was trash compared to Snapdragon. I'll never buy anything with a Exynos chip again
S22U Exynos chipset performs great and smooth,
@@casuarius6576 compared to Snapdragon? Sure, go and get your booster.
Yes, Proved by tests and benchmarks, go to check it by yourself. @@nuclearwinter391
@@casuarius6576 stop meatriding Exynos already, our trust has been broken by Samsung Multiple Times in the past, we aren't going to be trusting Exynos ever again even if it performs better than SD on paper or real test it doesn't matter anymore how good Exynos becomes, we got trust issues with the name Exynos
I'm on my way for a new phone, and Samsung was a top option, since iPhones are a no for me.
Seeing snapdragon coming to the ultra this year I was hopeful that the new Ultra in Europe was going to be SD again with a needed improvement to the cameras (where the Ultra doesn't completely convince me).
But Exynos, hard no!
Maybe I give then a chance to prove me wrong, but most likely will settle for a China brand, or maybe 23Ultra on a good discount.
Either way, no lower performance for same money.
Don't award companies your money if they don't deliver.
Yep, I turn on mobile data on my S24 and the clock starts ticking. Nice hand warmer for the winters though.
All I can say is thank you Samsung for making me switch to iPhones for the first time (and I HATE apple as a company)
Same, just did the same thing
I still Hate Apple 10x more than Samsung, so I'll go with something like OnePlus or Motorola Flagships
@@_YashSawant I actually changed my mind :)) went with Xiaomi 14
@@johnsnow9899 yeah that's one of the best phones, I was gonna recommend that too but almost no one likes Xiaomi in the West
Lets hope that since samsung makes exynos, they continue to release software updates that help work alongside and help the exynos chip perform better in the long run and even better yet (a man can dream), outeperform snapdragon.
For the those dreading the return of Exynos in the S24 series, can I offer some hope in saying that It appears that Samsung will only be offering the Exynos 2400 on the base S24 'in selected markets' and will be offering Snapdragon 8Gen3 on the S24 Plus and S24 Ultra in all markets according to some creditable sources. Can anyone out there confirm or deny this categorically?.
I would like this to be true
@@starlord6819 We can but hope. Samsung need a successful platform for Exynos this year though. The Exynos 2400 version of the base S24 needs to noticeably outperform it's 8 Gen3 counterpart to set a small platform for a potential all Exynos S25 or maybe S26 series which Samsung will hope can outperform ANYTHING. Bold plans and difficult to turn into a reality, but by no means impossible.
I think it will be all SD for galaxy in s24 series.
@@exaltant2464 if thats true Im buying it 100%
This is more logical. If you don’t mind you get the basic S version with Exynos processor. You want to pay more for the + or Ultra then you get the better and decent Snapdragon processor. Sounds fair enough for me.
In the Uk we always got the Exynos version and as a Consumer I never had issues . Untill the youtubers went on and on about the exynos vs snapdragon nonsense.
I am still rocking my exynos S21 ultra with no issues and still giving me good battery life even with gaming like COD mobile.
So skipped the S22 and S23 ultra.
Might go for the S24 ultra even if its exynos if it ticks my boxes.
It is truly bad that they are returning to exynos, they could at least offer both options everywhere for customers
truly bad if you don't know that Exynos is good.
Im glad ive switched from my s21+ exynos over to regular s23( Snapdragon). Even though my s21 plus has bigger battery, my s23 is battery efficient.
And the s21+ Exynos still works excellent.
What are the benefits of buying a falgship Samsung or iPhone in the first place 🙄
exynos does have 1 benefit is the bootloader is unlocked so we can use custom roms on this phone
Long live the Jailbreak/Root. By the way, Snapdragons are able to Root too.
I bought S21 Ultra in India. It was last Exynos in India. After 2 years use, it drains battery like anything. Using 10-15% battery use while being on standby. Heats up like oven while using Camera. On the other hand I have Galaxy S7+ Tab with Snapdragon 865. It barely loses 1% in overnight despite being 6 months more old than the phone. Now desperately waiting for S24 to come out in few months so that I can switch to Snapdragon finally.
You're better off getting an S23, they're supposed to be going back to Exynos for the S24
@@parshakamarsh yes bro I also read about it. But I also read that it's gonna be limited to South Korea.
install the latest firmware and clean cache, probable the device is draining battery for a software issue.
S23 will become cheaper in the upcoming BBD sale.
I think u should go for that.
They will have s24 with Exynos in India fosho.
I'd recommend you have a look at the s23 or switch to something else.
Some company that doesn't charge more than the USD value for a relatively garbage product.
@@casuarius6576device is draining battery because it's Exynos.
No software issue
No application issue
No cache issue
Exynos has higher idle drain and it consumes double the battery than snapdragon for doing the same task.
Owner of Samsung Galaxy Alpha Exynos 5430 (2014) "beta tester idoT"...
That thing was a mess and since then i never bought a Samsung phone again.
Battery lasted couple of hours, performance was meh at best, there was lagging and throttling and a lot of heat, wifi connection and calls abysmal.
Lol, you got a low-end device for the time you bought it, that chipset wasn't supposedly to perform any better compared to the Galaxy S5 Exynos or the Note 4.
Try the S21FE Exynos
Well the snapdragon in the 23U is simply amazing. I honestly hope one day Samsung will level up and be a real competitor 😊
Snapdragon is helping them make exynos, your competition can't help you 😂
@@okaytsonei it helps you keep the level.
My S22 with the Exynos is literal trash. 2h SoT of battery is my avarage with normal usage, UI lags on every step and it's a goddamn oven. No matter what I do it's hot and really uncomfortable especially in the warmer days.
😢 ... i cant decide 😢...
Try to clear cache, reboot gain, or download the latest software update, otherwise you got the binned chipset for low yield quality
Well, I just looked up which 'chip' was in my S20+ 5G SM-G986BZADBTU dual sim unit. Turns out it's a Exynos 990 2.73GHz. (I used the CPU-Z utility to find this out).
I've been running it for at least 2 years and have never been worried by (a) the battery and (b) the performance - and that's for audio, video, Microsoft office apps etc.
Android 13/OneUI 5.1. UK purchase.
So, unless SnapDragon is going to send someone around to clean my sink as well, I'm not in the slightest bit concerned about selecting the S24+ equivalent next year.
0:53 I didn't own any Samsung phones..but it hurts when you have everything good except processeor😢
Speaking for myself my a53 celly works well for me. The subsequent a54 has a "clockier" chip but figure average users feel a big difference - unless gaming.
A53 and 54 have the same clock speed. The difference is, a54 have 4 performance core, not 2.
Samsung Exynos phones in Nigeria always have NETWORK ISSUES. U NEVER GET FULL SIGNAL NETWORK SIGNALS IN in arrears with low network signal but Tecno, infinix, vivo has strong network signal in same environment
Nah.
May be you carrier.
Also with Qualcomm signal issues are persistent of the carriers doesn't have good network support
Luckily for the rest of the world, other first world countries got the exynos back then and complained, if Europe and the US would have both gotten the snapdragon then samsung would just be deaf lol.
Btw it's not Samsung LSI the S in SLSI stands for System. Fully it's Samsung SLSI (System Large Scale Integration)
Exynos was not always bad. Till Galaxy S4, the Exynos was often better than the SD and Mediatek. That's why I was able to use my galaxy note 3 from 2013 till 2018.
However, if I compare all the phones nowadays, the Exynos is garbage. Or more recent example is the comparison between my S22 Ultra (exynos) and the Galaxy S23 Ultra or Galaxy Z Fold 3 that was sold in the EU with SnapDragon SoC. My S22 Ultra always had the worst battery drain even though the battery health is currently at 99%.
To be honest, that's also why I got now a Xiaomi 13 and once I paid off the s22 Ultra, I'll be selling the S22 Ultra and start using the Xiaomi 13 but first of all I have to flash EliteRom on it since stock MiUi sucks and doesn't have call recording which doesn't allow me to sue some call center company after they call me again and try to sell me some garbage or ask me if I want to join Jehovas Witnesses XD With my s22 Ultra and the call recording unlock I was already able to earn 24.700Eur. and that's also why my current car has a sticker on bumper that says "sponsored by spam call centers and my lawyer"
I bought a Samsung S20 Note Ultra 5G with the Exynos 990 CPU chip in it instead of the Snapdragon chip.
Problems? I haven’t noticed any at all.
It’s a 2nd phone, my main phone is an iPhone 12 Pro Max.
I’m very impressed with my S20 and haven’t experienced any shortcomings during extensive use. The batty certainly isn’t draining.
The only reason I upgraded from my S20+ was the fear of buying another Exynos phone whenever I decide to upgrade. 8 Gen2 for the Ultra has to be the most refined experience I have ever had.
yeah, I told so many people to cherish the 23 models ;)
Pixel 6 Exynos based Tensor G1 victim. Maybe it is even a worse Exynos compared to Exynos.
@@nopenope1 I hope that Exynos phones don't burn their user hands someday XD
@@VarunSrinivas they probably already have ;) (wasn't there a safety regulation? 43°C or something like that for laptops parts where you touch it? I think 50°C does create burn damage when holding it a few 10s of minutes.
@@nopenope1 I keep my wet wipes ready whenever my phone overheats XD
👍😂@@VarunSrinivas
I had Samsung A54 and the Exynos was heating up just by texting, causing tons of battery drain, but now with Xiaomi Poco X5 Pro (Snapdragon), the Chipset remains cool when playing light games using a slower charger as well.
I got an a54 and i might go to an s23 fe cus i cant stand exynos or should i go to xiaomi
@@SlushiFoxEdits DONT BUY S23 FE, it's a scam, it's S22 FE with number change because it came late, just don't
If Galaxy S24 series were to retain Snapdragon flagship chipsets, then I will buy the new one. If they decide to switch back to Exynos chipsets, then I'll buy S23+ once the price is right.
It is already confirmed that they will switch back to exynos for some regions. If you are not living in south korea, US, you will definitepy get exynos variant.
if that happened, the price for 23 series won't go cheaper for that reason "different chips" but i expect that s23 series will climp to be more expensive than S24 series with the trashy chips 😂😂😂
You should try Exynos.
@@GH0STST4RSCR34M I think the whole american continent gets snapdragon right?
@@GH0STST4RSCR34M Well, my S7 and S9 are snapdragon and I bought them in Brazil.
Anyway, I hope it doesn't get made by Samsung. We saw how much of a difference TSMC makes in the SD8 gen 2.
I got a Samsung S23 Ultra precisely because it doesn't use an Exynos chip.
If Samsung tries to force me to buy an Exynos chip by the time I have to upgrade, then I'll simply switch to a different android (maybe even try an iPhone for once).
your excuses are pathetic then, Exynos is good.
@@casuarius6576 You sound like a fan boy.
@@Ome99 A fanboy?
LMAO, so I can say that you're a hater as well.
Nope, I say it by experience never have had heating issues, lag, or bad efficiency using Exynos in the high end segment.
@@casuarius6576 because you did not experience those problems does not mean that they not exist
@@lesleyhaan116 and if some perosn experiecne issues doesn't mean that all per9sn experience it.
a big F U to Samsung for doing this, they have lost me forever. dont buy the Exynos!!
After my s22+ my next phone is iphone
That is not the worst part, Samsung and Apple along with Pixels use LI-ion batteries that are crap, look for Li-Po which are found in Oppo and their sub brands, Motorola, Xiaomi ect, faster charge and longer cycles.
I have one of my Exynox phones die because of cpu failure 😢
Mine never die, because I've high end Exynos chipsets.
I think the main issue is Samsung foundry. If Samsung switch to TSMC, these type of issue won’t be a problem.
I was so confused between A34 and A54, after analysing every pros and cons. My final decision came down to A34, just because of Mediatek processor in A34 compared to A54 with Exynos.
I was worried for poor vibration motor on A34, but to my surprise its more than adequate for me.
So it was a good decision
the qualitative difference of the camera 💀
also there is not much difference between the mediatek 1080 and exynos 1380, the difference is in the reception which is better on a34
I have had the A34 for 3 weeks and buttery smooth it's a cracking phone no lags or stutters the battery is phenomenal 2 days easy,and it doesn't even get Luke warm glad I didn't get A54 with Exynos crap👍👍👍🔥🔥
@@AA-gh5zv reception and modem capabilties are better on the A54.
@@michaelmoran1964 Enjoy your crappy Mediatek chipset.
Exynos on the A54 is better.
Exynos chip model has 1 benefit is the bootloader is easy to unlock then the snapdragon model
Very interesting video. But, I think that worst than the differences between Snapdragon and Exynos is the fact that Samsung makes phone with country locks. You buy a flagship phone in Asia, and when you come to north america, you realize that you don't have access to 5G. Or that some software are not available...
that's because of diffent frequences/bands used in different countrys for 3 up to 5G. It also could be a sh*tty reason like patents behind it. Or both.
@@nopenope1 It's not a patent design. It's only because Samsung don't wanna pay royalties... But they still say to you that's an "international" phone...
@@AlainLafond i already mentioned patents, in that case I see that the same. And at least a few years back some modems just do not have all bands included. This also can have a technical reason or a country has a very uncommen band in use. Esp. 5G I believe the bands are even more diverse from country to country. And we both do probably not thinking about the very high bandwidth 5G stuff, do we?
I’m Korean and I have to say Samsung has always been ignorant to everyday normal customers (GOS for example) Exynos will never catch up, since there’s no need for them to do so
The fact of the matter is that the vast majority of people who use a Samsung phone with an Exynos processor simply don't know or don't care. I agree it's a bit disingenuous of them to ship different and technically inferior processors with their overseas phones. That being said, I don't think we should cheer for Qualcomm in everything. They've already got the monopoly on the majority share of the market. More competition is always a good thing.
Those latest release like exynos 2200 and exynos 1380 are wayyy better than those exynos released 3~4 years ago. Samsung is putting so much effort to make exynos great and efficient, just give samsung 1~2 years, it will eventually catch up with Qualcomm. 💪
I guess I'm the odd one for not actually hate on Exynos models because:
1: Support for custom ROMs
2: I don't need all of that performance
3: They are cheaper on the used market
I'm among the few who don't hate it.
The Snapdragons have really terrible GPS accuracy, so there have been times when I wished that I had an Exynos processor even if they are less efficient with battery use (I don't think most people care about having the horsepower to edit or render videos).
Omg! I realise it now. My phone has lower calibration these days (S23U user) compared to my previous phone - Note 10+.
I am realising it now, thanks to you.
My previous phone (non-Samsung) was powered by a Snapdragon 865, and my current (also non-Samsung) phone is powered by a Snapdragon 888. I saw that both phones somehow mentioned their directional accuracy as 'low' in Google Maps, even just a single day after using calibrating the GPS and using the navigation function. Looks like this indeed might be a Snapdragon issue. Thanks for the comment!
thx u for the info.
It's all about optimization. This processor was decent on android 13, but on Android 14 it performs like a flagship (if you do a factory reset after the update). Buttery smooth with no lags or stutters.
The Exynos name is burned forever. I don‘t want an Exynos Chip.
If they want to lose even more customers to Apple, then they should bring the Exynos.
Nice joke.
Exynos isn't burned forever.
If they want gain more costumers from Apple they should bring back Exynos with better performance and efficiency.
Thats IF they can deliver such gains.
probably will switch to apple, if s24 will have exynos
Cry then, you never have tried Exynos.@@mephistophelesgg7963
Kinda wish he talked about unlocking bootloaders and stuff that can only be done with exynos chips since this is XDA after all
Chinese 0 / w versions and Korean n versions have Snapdragon and can be unlocked
I think they should keep using just snapdragon for their flagship phones and keep the exynos just for Galaxy A and M series. Once they are proven better and are considered good, they can return to the flagship.
Exynos its good, can return to flagships .
@@casuarius6576 I meant as good as the snapdragon, which it certainly isn't.
@@pessoaanonima6345 It's good as Qualcomm
@@casuarius6576I will agree they are fast but the heat is not worth it
Fuck Exynos. I'm with everyone else, if they bring back Exynos in Europe next gen, I'm simply not buying the S24/S25/S26 etc until Snapdragon comes back. Got burnt once with an exynos S9, never again.
S9 Exynos is good.
@@casuarius6576 buddy you're gonna sit here and try to deny my own experience? i know what i had and i know it was shit, overheated like crazy and wouldn't go farther than 3hrs of screen on time. had to switch to a mi9, (technically) an inferior phone and yet i still had a better time with that one since it had an actual flagship SoC, didn't overheat, and i got solid 5-6 hrs battery life with it. exynos is garbo, deal with it.
@@majkati69 The Mi9 has a newer high end SoC also the S9 have less battery capacity, so in battery the mi9 have more advantage for the SoC process node and battery.
If your S9 was overheating you should have tried to see if the apps or games were using resources and draining battery in the background, also checked for the latest software firmware to solve the heating or the remaining problem, or try clearing cache as well and rebooting to see how it behaves, othwrise you got a bad unit.
Exynos is quality, deal with it.
@@casuarius6576 Yes, something millions of people have noticed and has been proven by tests is simply "faulty units". Keep the copium up.
@@majkati69 Stop coping.
Exynos is great proven by the tests
Simply the snapdragon 8 gen 3 is far powerful than Exynos 2400 that's why they are only putting gen 3 in ultra version people should just not buy this shit Exynos
I am using a mobile with exynos 1280. I faced heating issues and reduced performance when I first bought the phone. After the one ui 5.1 update, those issues were gone. The heating was reduced and I was able to play Genshin Impact at 50 to 60 fps with the phone just warming a little. I feel like Samsung has finally optimized their mobiles for their chipset
We all need to SUE on Samsung Cooperation😢
A53?
@@_YashSawant m33
@@samuelkiruba2004 oh ok
I got s21+ Exynos but no issue great battery life ❤
Antarctica?
What??
@@madzoroyal your continent and enviromental temperature you are using your Exynos ;)
@@nopenope1 you know Africa???
@@madzoroyal How does a Exynos work in this enviroment, when you write this down, be carefull and patent this or at least do it in a sience journal, you might be in for a Nobel price 🤪
I mean, with 25°C here my device runs up to 40°C with only use of the browser. Pixel 6 and it's based on Exynos and build with Samsung tec/chip manifacturing tech.
Just experiment with the exynos chips on your cjepaer devices samsung. Selling flagships phones is already an uphill battle for samsung or any android manufacturer as that space is monopolized by the iphone.
The worst chipset ever made goes to exynos
goes to Mediatek and Qualcomm.
Every Exynos powered Samsung I've owned has never had any issues, and tbh were some of the snappier phones I've had.
Every product has a super luck individuals, even S888 & S8gen1 has.
everyone forgets that in 2016 when s7 was released, how atrociously slow and bad 4core Snapdragon 820 was and how 8core Exynos 8890 was light years away in every aspect (except gpu) and still holds up nicely today.
I don't see any coverage about the Samsung Semiconductor Manufacture Plant. I thought the Samsung Manufacturing process was also problematic, because some SD Gen 1 that was manufactured by Samsung got worse efficiency than the one that was manufactured by TSMC
I have a S21 FE with Exynos 2100 and I got to say it is stable and doesn't overheat as much as earlier exynos chips but also the latter exynos 2200. If Samsung just continues that route they might create a chip that has similar performance to Qualcomm's.
Exynos 2100 is good and stable, 2200 not that much
@@eliodavid12nope it is terrible it reaches 47 c while gaming 😂
@@TopazAndNumbySlayed.3 Its good.
Samsung can't make good phones anymore I'd rather buy an iPhone if it comes to exynos😢
@@TopazAndNumbySlayed.3that's low my s20 ultra with EXYNOS reached 50c 😂 exynos is a scam
Im using s20 fe 4g with exynos 990 and to be honest it hasnt slown down actually its performing better now in day to day than when i bought it,mainly because of OS.
Even the camera is better and fingerprint faster.
But still overheats even when using apps like TH-cam, Reddit or Twitter sometimes
I have the same phone with the same SoC, I wish I had bought the 5G version instead
Samsung foundry is the mess ,,they shud let tsmc fabricate thr chips ,,samsung is same culprit making google tensor core cpu ,,which is hotter and slower ,,
I switched from the S20 FE with the Exynos 990 to the S 22 base model with the Exynos 2200. The 2200 doesn't get warm as fast the 990 and is stronger. The 8 Gen 1 is not more efficient, so I can live with it, currently. But I would like to have a Snapdragon in my next phone (all phones I ever used had either MediaTek or Samsung-Chips).
Are you still using it? I'm planning on buying one soon
@@MU-gp7vf wich one, the S 20 FE or the S 22 ?
@@jakobn2913 s22
@@MU-gp7vf don't buy s22, it's garbage
@mephistophelesgg7963 i did buy it, it was such a piece of crap, sold immediately with a 25% loss, then bought note 20 ultra...and its amazing..
Worst processor in this world is .... Exynos...
Never buy a mobile with this processor....
Facts
Had no issues with my Exynos Samsung S21.
Always had exynos never had a problem saying that I've never used Snapdragon so I don't know what I'm missing 🤷🏼
You are being cheated then.
Goddamn i still dont understand why people cry about not having the fastest tech. Im still using Snapdragon 805 from 2014 and every other new chip is probably at least 5 times faster than mine.
I'm so disappointed, why isn't Samsung putting an S-Pen slot in the smaller S24 line-ups?❓? We are 2023 and still there's no successor of the smaller Galaxy Note 10 with a built-in S-Pen slot ⚠️ 😭
Never again Exonys crap for me..
Never Qualcomm and Mediatek crap for me.
I have an undervolted and overclocked exynos9810. Don't have any problems. Faster than even next gen snapdragon and many mid-high end phones today.