I had an after school job at a small shop fixing computers back in the early 2000s. With almost every Windows ME PC that came in, standard procedure was to salvage what we could in terms of personal data from the hard drive, then installing Windows 98.
I remember going from 95 OSR2 ("yay! built-in USB support!") to 98 and thinking "oh, what's all the hype about?" But then I had previously upgraded every office machine from 3.11WFW to 95 and that truly was a revelation! (Some of the workshop machine controllers still had to run either WFW or Novell NetWare after we'd all gone on to XP, so there was legacy networking going on right from the start of the Microsoft era.)
And today it's still very popular, but for a good reason. Back in 2006 when Windows Vista released I'm sure you wouldn't use Vista, but XP for better compatibility, less bloatware, no User Account Control shit, and your administrator account was really administrator, unlike from OSes from Vista and above, where you can't create an admin account, because it'll be very limited compared to the built in one
If you own windows XP its basically just a old computer that's sitting in your basement or is a pc for businesses with very low budget or you wanted a gaming pc for Christmas but it turns out your dad is mr crabs
The flaws you point out for the "Incompatible Timesharing System" applied to every single operating system back in the '60's. Things like hierarchical file systems, long file names, basic security etc didn't begin to exist until the '70's, and weren't universal for a long time after that.
@@toddverbeek5113 I mean, looking at him could tell you that. That's not a slight of any sort, it's just pretty obvious he was born after 1980... I was too.
@@toddverbeek5113no one after the 90s/2000s really used computers during the 60s. Like you're making it seem like it's "so bad" that a guy couldn't get his hands on a musty, dusty, and crusty "computer".
@@GijsLinssen pretty much this. I used to run me back in the day. I believe it was the first interration of IBMs nt kernel and there wasn't a lot of support for things. Also it used a bunch of resources at the time and the general public wasn't used to computers yet so when you bought a new os there was an expectation that it would be faster and more functional then your older one rather then the opposite unless there was a compelling reason. Then xp came out which fixed pretty much everything that 2000/me had issues with that it just got ignored.
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@@ronjarosch8287 I mean, ChromeOS does what it's designed to do, but that doesn't make it a good OS. Good web browser? I think it's the best today. Even Microsoft thinks so, at least with base Chromium. There's also the Android Runtime and Google Play support on eligible devices, but app developers have not been racing to support ChromeOS, in some cases even blocking their apps from Chrome devices on Google Play. Other apps may not function or even render as needed on keyboard, mouse, and bigger, lower-DPI screens. If they even work at all, there may be usability and workflow issues, particularly from mobile-designed apps. As an OS, ChromeOS is a crapshoot.
Fun fact: Window Vista was usually commonly known as Window sVista (meaning windows mistake/overlook) here in Italy because of how bad and initially highly distributed it was
Actually windows vista was a good system but it haven't got a chance. Trust me, I tested it. Everyone hated it because of the compatibility, it used a crap ton of ram and it wasn't compatible with most of computers.
@@jakubi142memeanimations6 it was clunky and very intrusive on release. It would ask for your permission multiple times for the most basic stuff. It was offered as a new software on many existing computers that couldn't run it well and would have been better off keeping xp, but it wasn't marketed that way so many of us had pc that were fine with xp and awful with vista. It's not just the matter of the software not being good, that's debatable, it was marketed towards the wrong users and made their experience overall worse
@@jakubi142memeanimations6 bruh, you could litterally delete the recycle bin on windows vista. And you could litterally delete System 32 with only the DEL comand. 💀💀
Back in the day we used WinMe to test the hardware when we installed batches of PC's because installation was the quickest. We had to test every USB port. About 30% of the systems crashed when plugging/unplugging an USB mouse. It was THAT bad.
or eject a "floppy" disk and then click on the drive since it did not know to remove it since NO ONE at MicroSlop knows how to code a preemptive multithreaded ccc OS.
Oh I didn't have USB anything maybe the camera that sat on top of the monitor. I still used the purple and green connections which were better keyboards built. Better than the dell junk they had. I'm sure improvements were made. 73
MSDOS 3.3 changed my life. In 1984 that's all you had for IBM personal computers. I taught myself assembler using the Debug command in MSDOS. From that I got a hold of a copy of MASM and furthered my assembler learning using the Macro Assembler. I'm sure I could have done the same using the Apple ][e Monitor program. Incidentally a couple of years later when I was in high school my math teacher let me use his Apple ][e he had in the classroom. I used the Monitor program to teach myself 6502 assembler :P. It just so happened my parents bought a PC. If they had bought an Apple or C64 I'm sure I would have found similar tools there. Oh, and 4.0 did suck.
I remember an internet cafe in our town which had Windows ME on every PC. Any time you visit you could see at least one PC with a BSOD, usually 2-3 at the same time. This should say it all.
I recall working at Best Buy in 1999 (at the Computer Dept.) and seeing the fiasco unfold due to the confusion by consumers walking in wanting to upgrade their OS. To 99.9% of them, the intuitive choice was to grab the box that read Windows 2000. They just had no idea it was meant as un upgrade to Windows NT. Having said that, there is one area worth giving credit to ME: The OS was FINALLY compatible with many webcams, which started coming out after Win 98 and were a pain in the arse. Newer printers and scanners were also a lot easier to install and many of them had the drivers already in the OS which finally brought the so called Plug-and-Play to reality. So for teenagers, and college students wanting to actually use these newer gadgets, ME was a far better choice than 98.
i tried to install some version on VirtualBox, ME was a copy of 2000 or even worse. "Meet ME" sentence was just stupid, in Italian "Incontrami" just meet me. Many people has done this mistake due to Microsoft's Mistake Edition. Also i got an error from VB that said that i had to have debug knowledge to continue. Fault is: the fcking MS DOS
It's funny because Windows 7's dirty little secret is that it's really just a Vista re-skin with some of the bugs fixed and a bit of the bloat removed. It did have some other small improvements, but other than the fact that Windows 7 runs faster on cheaper hardware than Vista, there's very difference between the last supported version of Vista and the initial release of Windows 7. Releasing it under a new name with a few visual tweaks was just a way to separate the OS from the reputation it had gained as a result of simply being released before it was fully stable.
i like it alot as well, it feels like a brand new operating system (and i dont know why) ; to me at least windows 7, 8.1 and 10 look basic (i havent really seen windows 11 yet)
@@samplingthetext i dont really care about the new operating systems ui because im not looking at it any of the time anyways, im just using applications
My mother bought a Gateway PC back in 2000. She asked me to come over and set it up for her. I got everything out of their boxes, hooked up the PC and pressed the power button. I booted to the desktop and immediately blue screened. I knew from then on it was going to suck.
Windows 8 was so bad that one night when I was 11, I literally installed windows 10 on my family's PC without permission because I hated it so much. I got grounded for it cuz my parents aren't good with computers and they were angry that everything changed but I think it was worth it to get rid of windows 8.
@Hemang Korane I couldn't tell you. Windows 10 is banned from my house and home network. It doesn't meet my criteria for usability, privacy and security standards. Therefore it is shit - how much shit compared to other shit is not my concern.
@Just Ordinary The only Windows OSes that run successfully in 2GB RAM are those up to and including Windows XP, which is where Microsoft peaked - everything since XP has been downhill since.
8.0 was good to begin with. It's GUI was a PitA and it was the main reason for 8.1's release (Start Menu + Desktop default at startup). As for Vista, SP2 did improve it a bit, but it was still the same unstable and slow OS (even on high-end hardware).
same. windows 8 ran great in my pc back im 2016 or something. But now in 2021, windows 10 is unusable. I had to disable antimalware in the registry to make it use a little bit of less cpu and disk when i start it. Everytime i boot my pc, there's like 10 windows proccesses using cpu and disk. It's so fucking annoying. Thinking about what can my PC do, even if the hardware is pretty weak and old, windows 10 is just creating a bottleneck.
@@winitdc he did kinda critize both. 8.1 was a bandaid solution. Also it wasn't really its own OS, more like "Second Edition" for 98. But I actually ran 8 and 8.1 for a time myself. Just get ClassicShell, set it to boot directly onto the Desktop... and it was mostly fine. Apps were weird, but... you didn't have to use them. For every weird app there was also the standard old Win7 desktop version still included. Actually using that damn OS (once fully set up) was actually a pretty good experience. I actually didn't want to go back anymore, once I've gotten used to the better boot times and general snappiness compared to 7. But evaluating the OS wasn't. That's also the general jest I got from other people. Those people who got a prebuilt with Win8, got used to it pretty quick, maybe changed some settings, and were pretty happy. But those who updated their system or maybe tried it in a VM hated it and went back to 7.
@@josephstalin2647 ChromeOS is gentoo linux but with its balls ripped off and internal organs eviscerated to baby-proof the system and to add in obtuse amounts of telemetry.
@@ashii_ii have a look at craigs list or something like that. Don't know where you're at, but here in Germany people throw better PCs away. Heck, if by some chance you live in Germany you can have my i5-2400 + Mobo + 16Gigs of DDR3-1600 for 5 bucks postage... Even if you don't care a bit about performance (although Dual Core Pentium sounds pretty rough even for youtube nowadays) the energy savings are probably worth it to go with something newer than a Vista era rig.
Remote Desktoping into Windows 8 internationally was one of the most painful experiences I've had. The RDP (in basic onrelease 8), forced you into the mobile touchscreen interface with just mouse emulated as touch. So no cursor, you had to basically guess where to click to force it back to desktop mode. On a good connection this wasn't too bad, but over a laggy connection to a client using hotel or airport wifi on the other side of the world who wanted something fixing or configuring asap before their meeting... extremely frustrating
Yeah, I had it in 2012 and internet could not work on it, a month later came 8.1 and you could end up with a 7 like program on it that was better and had Windows 8 features you could disable. However, I had computers on 8.1 die all the time a one specific model of Lenovo mouse connection from and arrow keys died but most were my doing unlike last Windows 10 POS model due to a feature I had on it, a CD/DVD drive so casing was crap. Last computer in 8.1 versions I had for a year and 5 minutes after Windows stopped support I had a Virus that said it came from Windows when reading code. I did upgrade but got screwed on upload in older files on cloud from my XP I had saved were lost forever and even uploading older files from zip drive the windows 10 would not accept the files due to age so they are gone for good.
@Alan Thorbum: Windows 2000 professional was the best OS until vista because W2k was the revamped version of ME and required less hardware resources at a time when a potato office PC.
Always really easy to look back on what was on offer in the past. I remember when an OS could sit in 16k of RAM. The hardware limitations of the day dictated what was capable of being implemented, something commonly forgotten today.
I wish modern developers would be restricted more. Notice how development consoles always have more RAM than the end user consoles? Sure, they need extra to run a debugger in the background, but what if they could do their job in the same space as the user console? We might have some pretty awesome software that doesn't lag half the time.
Its a game ! Software gets bigger, so hardware gets bigger, so software gets bigger , so hardware gets bigger .................and thats how its been since the ibm pc with an 8086 and msdos .
It also forced developers to really think hard about what could be accomplished within those constraints. Some pretty amazing stuff came out of pushing hard against the limits and really comprehending what the computer could and couldn't not do.
I had an ME box that lasted for years! It was buggy at first, but after a couple service packs, it worked great. I used it for a long, long time and only replaced it when it got so old that the software I needed to use wouldn't run on it.
With Vista the problem came from the fact that it would brick lower-end computers - even newer ones. It didn't play well with the budget laptop I was using for college work, which even came with it pre-installed on the machine - so there was no getting out of it at that point. 8 *ran* decently enough, however that tablet style start menu was absolutely unusable for me. All the icons were too big and too spaced out for me to really "read" it properly; it might have been better on a laptop, but the sheer size of the text and buttons on a desktop screen just made it look like a bad piece of pop art and completely unfit for use. A lot of the time I just had to use the search function. Or just dig through the file explorer. Yep, digging through files was *easier* than trying to navigate windows by andy warhol
Same here - Vista came pre-installed on a budget laptop and was just awfully slow! I tried to work with that clunker far too long. When it finally crashed beyond any quick fix I wiped the HDD and installed XP. The result was a nice running machine for years!
I had no problem with my machine that was the slowest single core Semperon core AM2 CPU that was ever available in the US (I think there was 1 slower outside of the US) and OBG initially. I did however have 2gb of ram. It was a memory thing more than any other part of the computer.
11:02 Windows 8.1 also has the Charms bar. My problem with it is not that the charms were unintuitive or that I didn't know how to access those things, but that they would sometimes come up unbidden and get in the way when all I wanted to do was access something on the right hand side, like a vertical scrollbar.
I actually liked Vista. On semi decent hardware it ran fairly well, and it brought a huge number of quality-of-life improvements that we still use today. Drivers and compatibility are what really killed the OS. At the time I was working in a retail computer store (not big box, but similar), the number of devices that didn't have Vista drivers out of the box was simply shocking. Its almost like they didn't care (HP was notorious for this, 2 years after launch and they still weren't providing driver discs), combined with larger overall driver package sizes for Vista over XP, and still 56K modems being commonplace lead to it being a pain in the backside.
I feel Vista was not bad, it was just ahead of its time for the hardware that was out there in general use.. Between XP and Windows 7, Vista worked as a transition but Vista was nonetheless good .
@@crewrangergaming9582 I'd say it was in that weird limbo of both being ahead of its time and not at the same time. The hardwear existed to run it, but consumers hadent quite yet adopted it. Vista basically forced people to upgrade hardware. Vista fell so 7 could run.
A lot of the screenshots you shared of JavaOS were actually IBM's OS/2 Warp v.4. IBM went all-in on Java as a desperate attempt to fill in the application gap in OS/2, but the two operating systems are completely different.
Nostalgic feelings. Back then OS/2 Warp brought me into contact with "the internet". You are right. JavaOS is based on Chorus, which is based on the Mach kernel. Targeted for network-, small or embedded devices and can run with as little as 512K ROM and 256K RAM. (see archiveos) Also: He is very young. Using that mentioned or any "time sharing system" of the 1960ies on-wards for pranks? Good joke! You begged for time ON the machine. There was a queue. And the mentioned machine was no mainframe, but a "mini computer" **g** More also: Passwords ... for what? The punch cards? Or physical tapes you had under your control/supervision? Or for wasting precious Magnetic-core memory? Some holes in the research, but doesn't matter, would've been a new rabbit hole to dive into for Joe:)
Personal opinion: I think JavaOS is a sickness and has (and had!) to be treated like one. I prefer(ed) the other disease, when it comes to such small devices: Palm OS:P
Where was OS/2? They used to say it was named that way because it was only half an operating system. Another popular burn was "PS/2: yesterday's hardware today, OS/2: yesterday's software tomorrow".
There's everything from the 20 or so different versions of Windows to the hundreds of Linux distros to all the macOS/System Software releases, to older stuff such as MS-DOS and even operating systems for individual computers, such as the Commodore 64's operating system, for example, and then there's more niche operating systems, like BeOS/Haiku, FreeBSD, FreeDOS, ChromeOS, and ReactOS, and that's just desktop computer operating systems, when you go into mobile operating systems there's Android, iOS, Ubuntu Touch, Windows Mobile, FirefoxOS, and KaiOS, then there are operating systems for gaming consoles which run their own operating systems. A lot of operating systems exist that we don't even think about.
Burroughs had a least one. HP had more than one DEC had more that one OS. IBM had about 4 OSes on the IBM-360, IBM-370 series. On the PC there was DR DOS and CPM Microsoft did DOS 1 to DOS 7 If you count DOS 7 don't count Windows-95 IBM made OS2 for the PC There are a long list of real time OSes Unix is around There is Linux
Well, I can name at least 7 different OS: Windows, macOS, Linux, BSD, MINIX, Unix, OS/2... and those are just desktop OS, there are also mobile OS like iOS, Android, Windows Phone, Blackberry OS, Palm OS...
The PDP series of computers were not "mainframes." They were mini computers designed for small companies that couldn't afford IBM 360's or CDC 3600's. They were also used as "switches" connecting dozens, or hundreds, of dumb terminals to the mainframe for early networking. This is how the Lawrence Livermore Lab's "Octopus" network was organized (with a CDC 7600 as the mainframe).
i love how i thought my old pc was a Windows 10 computer until its hard drive failed. We had to reset the system and it turned out to be a Windows 8 computer, which i think is okay. However, i didnt use it much because the computer eventually broke the day after thanks to the hard drive failing, it was a all-in-one PC
The main reason why the UAC prompt came up so much in Windows Vista was because programs for XP and earlier assumed your had administrators privilege's and tried to edit files that were outside of the programs own directory or the users data folder. This would automatically trigger UAC. Windows 10 will trigger it as well if a program tries to do this. As third party software was updated, the issue slowly went away. The main issue wasn't an operating system issue but third party software companies not following what Microsoft told them to do back in 1995 when Windows NT came out.
An operating system I loved was called DMFIII (Data Management Facility). It had a built-in file management facility, so you could create a database application. Another unusual facility, was that from a terminal you could bypass the OS and create a machine code programme and do whatever you want. OK, security not great, but you could get into the bowels of the system and learn how it worked.
"are humans considered operating systems tho" Yes and they come with more bugs viruses, lack of any useful memory and non-functioning hardware then any computer designer could ever create on purpose.
Lindows creators got 20 million dollars from Microsoft for changing the name of their product? That's probably more money than they ever dreamed of making by selling their stuff.
I remember Windows 8. As a kid, the first computer I interacted with ran on Windows 7, and I eventually figured it out. Later, we got new computers that ran windows 8. I was very confused. The start screen was weird, and I tried to avoid it whenever possible, as well as the full screen apps.
Contrary to the popular reputation, Windows 8.1 was my favourite OS ever. I still use it on my secondary laptop. Though the prime reason was that I had a really ahead-of-the-time-hardware touchscreen laptop. The animations are so beautiful, the OS never lags, even on a 2014 laptop - yes. As for app support and security, that's the only thing that's preventing me from keeping it as the primary OS. I understand it was really bad for non-touchscreen devices, but I just can't look at it that way since I've never used it that way. In my opinion, it was nothing inherently wrong with the OS, just that Microsoft implemented it the wrong way. I would've loved to see Windows 8.1 design evolve further instead of muting it the way Windows 10 did.
At the moment , most people wont belive it but 8.1 is better then 10 and 11. Its such a lightwaith system and runs very fast even on older hardware. Win 10 got bloated with junkware and spyware to sunch an extent that it takes forever to do something and it uses so much of you resources. There is a way to make 10 good but you have gut it to barebones and leave it as hacked version with no updates or MS office and other soft. However the advantauge is that its supper fast.
Vista was too ahead of its time, and never got a chance to be popular. I do still use it for fun myself on a triple-booted laptop of mine where I have XP, Vista, and 7. Windows 8 was also not horrible though. Once I got used to it, it felt great, and it ran so fast. I have an old Pentium 4 Dell OptiPlex GX620 desktop, and it's so fast. It's so old too.
@ARandomInternetUser08 Same here. I never got the hate. I setup an office network with 6 Dell Deskops using Vista and it was the bomb. Never had a more stable desktop environment for accessing the network SQL database off a MS Server OS.
@@cjandjamesfitzpatrick9581 the hate mainly came from the people trying to upgrade to Vista from XP. The hardware requirement jump was insane compared to Vista to 7. Hardware was able to adapt to what Vista was, and by the time 7 came around, newer and faster computers were more widespread compared to the time of Vista's release. Vista and 7, from what I've seen, have pretty similar hardware requirements, but were years apart. Vista never got a chance. :(
I actually liked Vista over W7. I built my own system and turned off UAC , so I had none of the slowdown issues most people experienced. Only worked on ME once, and it was an utter pain to fix. I could see why that one was so hated.
Just looking at those screenshots of Win8 makes me shudder. I'd been using XP and 7 (set to 'classic' i.e. XP-like) at work for years, and so had my father. When he went into a retirement home I bought him a new laptop and got set to install his favourite software on it - but the laptop had Windows 8 on it. *Nothing* I tried worked. After a couple of hours of screaming at it, and I had to restrain myself from actually throwing the thing out the window, I took it back to the shop for a refund (because if I couldn't decipher it, my father certainly couldn't).
When people complain that they stick with windows because they have no time learning linux... well just remember, MS can pull a tricky on you any time just like they did with Win8. And now they update your os without asking first.
@@realGBx64 They do ask for you to install it and you can tell windows to shut up about the updates for an year. Eitherways, i think you should update your OS regularly.
@@ananttiwari1337 I update my os every week. when I want to, and not when some American megacorporation wants me to. And at each update, I see exactly what are the changes.
I went from 7 directly to 10. Luckily before all there changes made to shrink the control panel, I'm sad that 20H2 won't have the typical screen to move to a domain and many in our office were confused till one found it and showed it to us.
@Gamingwelle: I had each and every windows but I prefer Android tablets because android is very feature rich and has the important business enterprise software straight from Microsoft. I very excited about windows 11 on a proper surface PC.
It's funny listening to millenials explain DOS, and getting confused. He said "there was nothing pre-installed." Well, it was a Disk Based Operating System, so you had to install *all* the programs yourself. And it did come with programs: it had BASIC, an Assembler, and an Text Editor. And some utilities, like CHKDSK and XCOPY, etc.
JavaOs was designed to run on embedded devices. There is still big misconception java is slow, while is is true that C++ C and other similar languages are faster, Java itself is not that slow, it's just a different kind of programming language, it has garbage collector and it's memory safe. Garbage collector is the main reason why some java program may be slower and use more ram, but good programmer can avoid memory allocations, so it only depends if the programmer is good
Microsoft since windows 8 starts focusing only on marketing and making money but the design and functionalities were just horrible. Since windows 8 I moved to Linux, RH or Ubuntu, it's more practical and simple and after few months you'll be able to replace almost all applications running on windows. RIP Windows.
I still remember very well the chaos around "Lindows" and the court cases around it. The court ruled that "indows" was too common/general for them to copywrite.
@@HaohmaruHL Try running Vista on hardware that actually meets the recommended specs - it ranks right next to Windows 10 as best OS ever released. Faster than fast and runs flawlessly.
@@louistournas120 Not at all. Saying that if you try to run Vista on hardware that is in no way capable of actually running the OS, you are going to have a bad time. It is much the same as how updates by CrApple™ to OSX forever ends the ability of older CrApple™ hardware to be used. In some cases OSX will not even install.
I just realize computers used to be bigger than a whole Kmart did now we have phones or more or not even a pound so much powerful than that Kmart PC computer
To my mind, a good operating system is one where you have full control over it and everything just works. I don't want operating systems that delete files, change settings without my permission, force updates, NEED frequent updates, and is in-your-face.
"I don't use the Windows key anyway" Win E, Win R, Win X, Win 1, Win2, Win D, Win period, Win and type to search. How can someone live without these shortcuts?😂
I know this is a joke (not really but just to be safe) but I think he meant to open up the start menu he doesn't use the windows key for the start menu only
How many of us are old enough to remember being rather irritated with those keyboards with that "Macro" located between the Ctrl and Alt keys -- in the same location the "Windows" key occupies now. The annoying part was that unless you loaded software specific for those keyboards (often in the form of a SYS file you load in CONFIG.SYS or a TSR loaded in AUTOEXEC.BAT), that key did absolutely nothing (the irritation coming from hitting this "do nothing" key rather than the Ctrl or Alt we were intending to press).
Did you ever try to update Windows me!? If you did you would have found out it would have failed especially on the eMachines not a single one of them could you update Windows me without it completely corrupting the windows forcing you to use the CD to reinstall again
The main issue with Windows Me was that was a Frankenstein between two OS. In one hand, was going to continue the Win32 (Windows 98) architecture so it would be compatible with most hardware and software; but also they added features based in WinNT (All new versions since Win 2000) system. So, not only there were the normal problems with driver compatibility since Windows 95, but if the system ended with both Win32/WinNT drivers in the same machine it would crash, something that would not happen either in a Windows 98 or Windows 2000 system. At the end, the two best things Microsoft did to solve all that problems were a) Moving the entire OS to the WinNT architecture, starting in consumers with Windows XP b) Controlling the certification and distribution of drivers though the WQHL / Windows Update system. That model was controversial when they introduced it but, in the long run. has paid off and now the driver compatibility issues are minimal and systems are more stable than ever.
Mine back in the day self destructed. It got to the point to where even file management was a difficult task. To move a file I’d have to move it to an external source, then to the new destination. Doing it natively would cause problems and fail. lol Edit: when I eventually got ahold of winXP, that PC never felt better to use. Even on only 64M RAM!
Ever since I migrated from Windows to using Linux for most tasks, it has all been happiness ! I do have a windows machine for playing games , because of well the DirectX and virtually all games are written to run on it. Not much gaming on Linux. But for general browsing, email, programming, and most tasks (other than games ) , linux reigns supreme in my mind.
Yeah and cannot wait to load mint 22. I might try all three versions Xfce, mate and cinnamon. I did like cinnamon when I first tried it on an older version. 73
In the Netherlands the ME stood for Meer Ellende (more misery). I will never understand why XP was discontinued. It worked perfect all the time. It seems, judging from your choices here, that you were quite happy with OS Warp.
@@dukenukem5768 A very poor substitute, at least in terms of user interface. Microsoft broke a number of hotkeys (for starters, those for answering dialog boxes having to do with overwriting when copying/moving files) that I liked to use in Windows XP; at least Vista retained those.
@@Lucius_Chiaraviglio That's a pretty niche use case. I loved Windows 7 and was rightly pissed when Microshaft decided to replace it with the 5 alarm fire that was Windows 8.
@@tackytrooper It isn't a niche case when it's something I use several times every day. Edit: I don't dispute that Windows 8 would be even worse (fortunately, I never had to use it more than trying out a store demo for a few minutes). But for me, Windows 7 was worse in terms of user interface (although better in stability) than Vista, which was in turn worse than XP. Windows 10 (haven't had an opportunity to try 11 yet)? Better than 7 (and thence 8), and better stability than Vista, but not as good as XP.
Have you ever heard about the Windows Cement? It was the Windows Central European Millenium Edition NT. The motto was this: Windows CeMeNT, strong as a brick! In Germany this was called also Windows Crash Edition, Windows für Mama-Edition NT. It was so funny 😀
I have had some recent encounter of Windows Embedded Handheld recently, which is based on Windows CE and Phone 6.5. A very crash-prone and slow OS that haven't seen any improvement since 2005. And it's still in use in some places. I also did some development on Windows Phone 6.5 - and a lot of the OS API calls were "The light is on but nobody's home", you made the call and got an OK response but nothing was implemented behind the call, so you didn't know if the call worked or not. A "NotImplementedException" would have been eons better.
@@flyingGrandpa I used DOS 3.2 on a Commodore Colt 8088 which didn't have a hard drive... That computer was basically my BBS browser and CGA gaming machine.
@@telengardforever7783 yeah my original IBM PC had no hard drive either. I remember thinking when I added a 10MB hard drive that I'd never be able to max it out in one lifetime. ROFL.
The initial release of DOS 6.0 had a huge "oops" with the integrated compressed disk system. It worked great -- except when you ran Windows. If you set up your boot drive as compressed, there was a good chance that running Windows would scramble the compressed partition (rendering your system unbootable). the other "oops" was the behavior of the BACKUP and RESTORE program -- it would ask you to eject and swap the diskettes while the drive was still spinning. That's not too big of a problem with 5.25" diskette drive, but a big problem with 3.5" diskette drive. Actuating the eject lever on the 5.25" drive would physically disengage the head from the disk surface by levering it away. On a 3.5" diskette drive it was different -- there was no physical interlock that disengaged the head prior to the disk being jected --- so in this case you'd cause the diskette to be jammed into the read/write head. Enough cycles of this and you'd physically damage the drive (and possibly the diskette).
The "compressed" option was a trojan horse for MS users. People thought it would save some space, but in the end it meant trouble. And it was also available from Windows (e.g. Windows XP) with the same result.
I had DOS 6 and used compression for several YEARS with no problems, Of course my broke ass had an old 386 Compaq with a tiny hard drive, So it was a NEEDED feature. I didn't even HAVE any version of Windows yet, So I didn't run in to the data scrambling problem. LOL. I still have DOS 6.22 in VMs and in DosBox today.
Many years ago I worked on the Olivetti TC800, one of the most bizarre machines I've ever encountered. Application programs were written in Assembler but the programs were interpreted instead of being executed as machine code. Yes, they had an interpreter for assembly language, something I've never seen before or since. There was no backspace key so any errors couldn't be corrected. You had to get the bad line rejected then retype everything. There was no option to delete a file - you had to copy the files you wanted to keep to a work directory, delete everything in the current directly and then copy the files back in. It had two operating modes called Dos and Commos. You swapped between them with the commands 'ToDos' and 'ToCos'. If you entered 'ToDos' and you were already in Dos the entire machine locked up.
Had Window 8 and 8.1, remember downloading a Classic Shell program that gave it the windows 7 look returning the windows in the corner. I remember reading an article that Classic Shell was boasting millions and millions of downloads since so many users hated the windows 8 and 8.1 look, made the jump to windows 10 as soon as I could
I used Windows ME. I think the restore function, windows media player and movie maker were really great. It certainly was better than Windows 95/98 and to some extent windows 2000 which was oriented towards professionals
I still run windows xp in windows 2000 user interface. Damm site better than windows 10. Much better user interface. Quicker to navigate. Loved windows 7 user interface but still does not work as well as to 2k ui.
It was the last of the halfway decent MS Windows and even then it kept on crashing on my desktop. I got so frustrated with the blue screens I converted to Linux and have never looked back.
If you ignore the lack of inbox games, DVD reading and burning, gadgets and of aero, they ran fine honestly. Metro was pretty good although full-screen wasn't the best idea for it.
I gotta be honest: I thought it was amazing when I demoed it on a Sony tablet pc. It was nice on that machine. As soon as I saw it on a Desktop, it was the end for me 🤣
@@bocchertherock was used yes, don't know if it's still being updated. The last version leak was already quite some time ago. It's just a Linux distro tho.
yes yes. i saw a graph way back, showing that 75% of the driver crashes were from nvidia, eventually leading helping vista's blind hate because simply no OEM at the time wanted to rewrite the driver to run with the new model.
Watching this, I find it amusing. I never had 1 issue with Windows ME, never crashed, never had a problem with it. MS-DOS 4.x also, never once crashed on me. I had none of the issues that were supposedly out in the wild. I sometimes wonder if it was old drivers or software that cause the issues more than the operating system itself. I don't think it is fair to say a 60's operating system was bad compared to todays software. You need to compare it to other OS's from the time, not to today's software.
I've used Windows ME about 4 years and I haven't much problem with it. Sometimes it crashed, but not so often. Me then back run on slow processor and few RAM. Later XP crashed sometimes too with more powerful hardware, at that time I began to switch to linux, especially after XP sp3 . When slowly Wista appeared I was happy Ubuntu user and still I am.
Yes interesting, I never had an issue with Windows ME either - quite liked it at the time in fact. Never used DOS 4, so can't comment on that - went from 3.3 to 5
@@latachia_2981 Like how? It has a couple nice things like system restore and better out of the box usb support, but it's also buggier and can't boot to DOS for no reason.
You forgot all the bad MacOS version? 6 and 7 were NOTORIOUSLY unstable and the "bomb" (basically the white cross in a red circle equivalent from Windows) was a common thing. For going "Worst OS Ever" and leave out MacOS from the Non-Steve Jobs era kind of disqualifies you from judgement . . .;) EDIT: Also, Windows 7 is still internally 6.x, it IS Vista.
I spent 15 years doing IT for a few places that ran a lot of MacOS 7/8/9 machines, even well after OS X came out. If you don't know the delights of figuring out why one of those things was going bonkers... Is it a Control Panel conflict? An Extension conflict? Bad preferences file? Bad font? Random file corruption? Here, have an error message that's nothing more than a negative number (if you're lucky). If I had a dollar for every time I had to boot a Mac from CD and run Norton Disk Doctor I could have retired years ago.
I knew there were one or two verssion of Mac OS that was a disaster. I remember jusst getting an error that said, "Something's Wrong." I never hit the shortcut for save more than on that OS, pretty sure it was Version 6.
@Kaiten Oh, I bet it is! I've seen several hours of video material about it, and while I agree that it's quite an experience and a considerable accomplishment, I'd still say that, for how little use a "normal" person could get out of it in terms of operating their system in the 21st century, it would still qualify as rather awful 😁
TempleOS is actually a sad story, duder developed c64 is didn't he? Anyway, has a crisis and gets rekt by life, then makes temple OS...tbh I think temple does 2 things...shows how much those who suffer with the mind are capable of (which having worked in mental health is against what those who struggle get taught), and equally gives insight to his torment, the colors, the applications, etc. Yet ... Ngl 3d esq icons in a prompt. That's cool shit.
@@osiriapinkserenity It actually did crash every 3:rd day unless I restarted, due to its heritage from vax and a horrible written kernel where paging made ram more and more fragmented. And then the horrible written NTFS with its not logged file system showed its ugly face and wiped a random file not written to in ages.
How about: Microsoft Bob, "a more user-friendly interface for the Windows 3.1x, Windows 95 and Windows NT," released on March 11, 1995, and discontinued in early 1996. IBM MPOS, the forerunner of OS/2 without a graphical interface.
Bob wasn't really an OS. It was designed as an intuitive interface shell designed for people who struggled with a conventional GUI, but it ran on top of whatever OS you had installed.
One of the reasons that UAC was annoying, was because a LOT of software made for XP and earlier used setting files (ie. .ini/.cfg files) that were stored outside the users profile (ie. under \Program Files or even inside \Windows folder). When the program tried to modify these files, UAC popped up. This was EXACTLY as UAC was intended to do. Modifying files outside your user profile in XP or earlier was allowed, so this was a huge leap in security when it was implemented in Vista. Eventually software got updated to store these files somewhere inside the useres profile folder and UAC stopped being an inconvenience.
@Håvard Johansen - YES all the still wide spread legacy programs demanded Aministrator previleges & also Nero Burning ROM; had in it´s user manual that it needs these to work ... in windows up to 98/ME everyone had all previleges
@BB Sky - For Windows XP & Vista there was the tool "Windows Steady State" (directly from Microsoft) that gave you an easy way to fix this & more potential problems
The first PC I owned had Windows Me in it, I never had any problems with it. I went to XP with my next new machine, same for Windows 7 and 10. I totally skipped Vista and Windows 8.
>tfw windows vista released >have parents with old compaq brand laptops running XP full to the brim with important files and literally 0.01% storage left >parents try to upgrade OS anyway >laptop spontaneously combusts
Some people call it a failure but I dare them to name one thing from Vista proper (not pre-reset longhorn) that MS regretted and removed later (there wasn't, microsoft kept going in vista's direction with 7 and subsequent, unlike say windows 8 where they completely changed road afterwards. There isn't a single choice in vista proper that can be called a mistake). People say 7 is what vista was supposed to be, but 7 is what vista _was_ . MS added UI features on top of vista, plus things like libraries, but they did not solve vista's problems, because there weren't properly vista problems, only ~2007 wintel ecosystem problems, that all vanished by 2008.
@@wordart_guian Vista used to crash a lot and was slower than W7. So I'd say that there are other changes aside from the UI (and let's face it: UI is very important for the normal users, even if for tech guys like us is much more important things like security, performance and stability).
@@luisoncpp Gotta guess that's due to the crappy ~2007 drivers (and even then Vista was kinda more crash-proof due to blocking drivers from messing the kernel, which is what caused the problems in the first place), because most probs were solved by 2008 (I don't mean SP1, I mean RTM on 2008 hardware, what I used). in fact that's why 7 got less problems, not because they modified the underhood a lot, but because of the huge amelioration of the 2008 PC industry. But I'm with you on the UI. The importance of UI is wildly underestimated. My programming teacher skipped that area of the program 🙄
Windows Me had a bad reputation. I'm glad you pointed out that this came largely from people who never used it. It wasn't much different from Windows 98, but it DID implement a RESTORE function. That meant that when your OS crashed (and it used to happen a lot) you could restore your computer to a time when everything was working well. Reputation be damned, THAT was a big improvement over Windows 98.
I run Windows ME back in the day I never had OS crashes but I had games refusing to work that worked just fine with win98, and even after upgrading to XP the games started to work again.
2 things: 1) Windows Vista did all the dirty work for Win7 - because Vista did a complete overhaul below the surface. When Vista was launched, nobody was ready (DRIVERS!) - but when 7 came out, everyone was - 7 got all the credit. (note: i didn't use Vista) 2) I used 7 from the very beginning and was excited to use 8 from the very beginning: 8 felt so much more fluent. My workflow did not change: Whether I use 7/8/8.1/10/11 or a popular Linux distro: press Windows(super)key -> calc -> enter -> my calc pops up? :)
I remember that era when windows 8 came out, and everyone was like, Nah and used windows 7 for 3 more years
@PARKIN LAI Me too! I didn’t even know it existed while I was using windows 7 at the time
@PARKIN LAI I remember 8.1 usually but forget the regular 8
I use windows 8 and i dont understand why people hated it it is still fast and looks nice
My school laptops had windows 8.1 printed on the bottom, but it ran windows 7 professional.
@@slurpthatdick because of the big start menu and the ads
I had an after school job at a small shop fixing computers back in the early 2000s. With almost every Windows ME PC that came in, standard procedure was to salvage what we could in terms of personal data from the hard drive, then installing Windows 98.
98, XP, XP x64, 10
Lmao 🤣
@@toriless 7?
I remember going from 95 OSR2 ("yay! built-in USB support!") to 98 and thinking "oh, what's all the hype about?" But then I had previously upgraded every office machine from 3.11WFW to 95 and that truly was a revelation! (Some of the workshop machine controllers still had to run either WFW or Novell NetWare after we'd all gone on to XP, so there was legacy networking going on right from the start of the Microsoft era.)
True, Windows 98 SE was the fix. Until XP came out.
1:15 Windows XP = Xtremely Popular
I think Windows XP looked something like I'd expect to be released as MyFirstPC by Fisher Price.
And today it's still very popular, but for a good reason. Back in 2006 when Windows Vista released I'm sure you wouldn't use Vista, but XP for better compatibility, less bloatware, no User Account Control shit, and your administrator account was really administrator, unlike from OSes from Vista and above, where you can't create an admin account, because it'll be very limited compared to the built in one
If you own windows XP its basically just a old computer that's sitting in your basement or is a pc for businesses with very low budget or you wanted a gaming pc for Christmas but it turns out your dad is mr crabs
I just started with Windows Vista and now it is 1 of my favourite operating systems. I liked Windows Vista.
@@Emilbum ....
The flaws you point out for the "Incompatible Timesharing System" applied to every single operating system back in the '60's. Things like hierarchical file systems, long file names, basic security etc didn't begin to exist until the '70's, and weren't universal for a long time after that.
Yeah. "How to tell people you've never used a computer made before 1980." :)
@@toddverbeek5113 I mean, looking at him could tell you that. That's not a slight of any sort, it's just pretty obvious he was born after 1980... I was too.
@@twocows360I graduated high school in 1980!😂😂😂
@@leechjim8023 ok boomer (joke)
@@toddverbeek5113no one after the 90s/2000s really used computers during the 60s. Like you're making it seem like it's "so bad" that a guy couldn't get his hands on a musty, dusty, and crusty "computer".
"Windows ME sucks!"
"Have you ever even used it?"
"Of course not! Why would I use an OS that sucks?"
ME had an terrible problem, driver support. The OS was not that bad, but programs did work horrible
@@GijsLinssen pretty much this. I used to run me back in the day. I believe it was the first interration of IBMs nt kernel and there wasn't a lot of support for things. Also it used a bunch of resources at the time and the general public wasn't used to computers yet so when you bought a new os there was an expectation that it would be faster and more functional then your older one rather then the opposite unless there was a compelling reason. Then xp came out which fixed pretty much everything that 2000/me had issues with that it just got ignored.
@@ZacharyBittner ME was a Win98 derivative. Kinda win98 lite. Definitely not NT, was not a native 32 bit OS just like 98.
@@ZacharyBittner Wasn't NT made by Microsoft?
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ChromeOS should have been on the list. -Chromebook user
Absolutely not! My none tech wife and kid never bug me after I gave them Chromebooks!
@@ronjarosch8287 I mean, ChromeOS does what it's designed to do, but that doesn't make it a good OS. Good web browser? I think it's the best today. Even Microsoft thinks so, at least with base Chromium.
There's also the Android Runtime and Google Play support on eligible devices, but app developers have not been racing to support ChromeOS, in some cases even blocking their apps from Chrome devices on Google Play. Other apps may not function or even render as needed on keyboard, mouse, and bigger, lower-DPI screens. If they even work at all, there may be usability and workflow issues, particularly from mobile-designed apps.
As an OS, ChromeOS is a crapshoot.
@@ronjarosch8287 ok boomer
Agreed. I'm happy that I've hacked mine to run GalliumOS.
@@Blue-Maned_Hawk Will be checking it out. Thank you for the suggestion.
Fun fact: Window Vista was usually commonly known as Window sVista (meaning windows mistake/overlook) here in Italy because of how bad and initially highly distributed it was
Actually windows vista was a good system but it haven't got a chance.
Trust me, I tested it.
Everyone hated it because of the compatibility, it used a crap ton of ram and it wasn't compatible with most of computers.
@@jakubi142memeanimations6 it was clunky and very intrusive on release. It would ask for your permission multiple times for the most basic stuff. It was offered as a new software on many existing computers that couldn't run it well and would have been better off keeping xp, but it wasn't marketed that way so many of us had pc that were fine with xp and awful with vista. It's not just the matter of the software not being good, that's debatable, it was marketed towards the wrong users and made their experience overall worse
@@gferraro2916 yea ur right
@@jakubi142memeanimations6 bruh, you could litterally delete the recycle bin on windows vista. And you could litterally delete System 32 with only the DEL comand. 💀💀
We used to call 'em "sVista" in Greece as well, from "σβήσ' τα" which means "delete them".
Back in the day we used WinMe to test the hardware when we installed batches of PC's because installation was the quickest. We had to test every USB port. About 30% of the systems crashed when plugging/unplugging an USB mouse. It was THAT bad.
or eject a "floppy" disk and then click on the drive since it did not know to remove it since NO ONE at MicroSlop knows how to code a preemptive multithreaded ccc OS.
I know! I solute you. Thank God We have better machines.
Oh I didn't have USB anything maybe the camera that sat on top of the monitor. I still used the purple and green connections which were better keyboards built. Better than the dell junk they had. I'm sure improvements were made. 73
I never had any issues with ME, but I was a kid back then. Just wanted to play rollercoaster!
I had tons of issues and my mom made sure to blame them all on me playing games on the computer.
dito, Windows ME ran way smoother for me than Windows 98. I really liked the multimedia features they added
Same tbh, my Window Me worked fine.
I remember ME being slow and crashing a lot. My dad was a programmer at the time and he said he had 2000 at work and loved it lol
@@ArtOfRoun 'Window'
windows thiojoe edition
nothing works but thiojoe has a fake tutorial for everything
LOOOL
LOL. Beats the tar out of all the other channels that have been yapping about the RTX3080 cards. Gamers. Humph!
Best OS;
Windows Thiojoe PRO.
It lets you delete every system file but keeps working.
yep
just for a cost of 1000 bucks
I never actually used Vista. Jumped from XP to 7, those were the best ones.
same lol
Vista was only bad at launch it was too much to be ran on most PCs but after a couple years it was completely fine
Yes
My main PCs are uses Windows XP and 7
7 is actually just vista with another name xD
MSDOS 3.3 changed my life. In 1984 that's all you had for IBM personal computers. I taught myself assembler using the Debug command in MSDOS. From that I got a hold of a copy of MASM and furthered my assembler learning using the Macro Assembler. I'm sure I could have done the same using the Apple ][e Monitor program. Incidentally a couple of years later when I was in high school my math teacher let me use his Apple ][e he had in the classroom. I used the Monitor program to teach myself 6502 assembler :P. It just so happened my parents bought a PC. If they had bought an Apple or C64 I'm sure I would have found similar tools there. Oh, and 4.0 did suck.
0:20 7. Windows ME (2000)
2:08 6. MS-DOS 4.0 (1986)
3:48 5. Incompatible TimeSharing System (1960s)
5:54 4. JavaOS (1996)
7:52 3. Windows Vista (2006)
10:03 2. Windows 8 (2012)
12:49 1. Lindows (2001)
thank you
Thx
Why is windows 10 not on the list? Big load of bloatware
@@jaz093 Bruh what? I never get problems with Windows 10 tbh
@@jaz093 cuz you hate full windows OS and a Mac os user,now go, Windows10 is coolest OS I've ever seen yet
I remember an internet cafe in our town which had Windows ME on every PC. Any time you visit you could see at least one PC with a BSOD, usually 2-3 at the same time.
This should say it all.
Lmao I laughed hard 🤣
in Pakistan Internet cafes had windows 98 laptops with bonzibuddy.
Windows ME, all i can remember is blue screens and headache sorting out why.
I never had a problem with Windows ME. I liked it better than 98.
@@echonomad94 Lol Bonzi, the purple gorilla.
The only thing people don't like Win 8 is because they don't like the new Start menu interface, but otherwise they're fine.
Agree with that bro
I like the start screen tbh
I like Win 8.1, bcs i like interface. For me its better than 10. If u want smaller start menu, just install classic shell.
Yeah but try using it on a potato and u will understand. I am doing it rn.
@@nogoat I had potato pc with Win 8.1 and it is okay
I recall working at Best Buy in 1999 (at the Computer Dept.) and seeing the fiasco unfold due to the confusion by consumers walking in wanting to upgrade their OS. To 99.9% of them, the intuitive choice was to grab the box that read Windows 2000. They just had no idea it was meant as un upgrade to Windows NT. Having said that, there is one area worth giving credit to ME: The OS was FINALLY compatible with many webcams, which started coming out after Win 98 and were a pain in the arse. Newer printers and scanners were also a lot easier to install and many of them had the drivers already in the OS which finally brought the so called Plug-and-Play to reality. So for teenagers, and college students wanting to actually use these newer gadgets, ME was a far better choice than 98.
i tried to install some version on VirtualBox, ME was a copy of 2000 or even worse. "Meet ME" sentence was just stupid, in Italian "Incontrami" just meet me. Many people has done this mistake due to Microsoft's Mistake Edition. Also i got an error from VB that said that i had to have debug knowledge to continue. Fault is: the fcking MS DOS
WindowsME: "Mistake Edition"
*Windows98SE: "Windows SIKE Edition"*
Lol
Windows Vista be like
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Windows millenium edition is correct
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@@AdarshPrajeesh its a joke
I used Windows Vista from 2007 up until 2016 when I could get a better PC, and I still absolutely love Vista
It's funny because Windows 7's dirty little secret is that it's really just a Vista re-skin with some of the bugs fixed and a bit of the bloat removed. It did have some other small improvements, but other than the fact that Windows 7 runs faster on cheaper hardware than Vista, there's very difference between the last supported version of Vista and the initial release of Windows 7. Releasing it under a new name with a few visual tweaks was just a way to separate the OS from the reputation it had gained as a result of simply being released before it was fully stable.
i like it alot as well, it feels like a brand new operating system (and i dont know why) ; to me at least windows 7, 8.1 and 10 look basic (i havent really seen windows 11 yet)
@@combopybrosharkfrenforhire6420 goes to prove how ahead of its time vista was.
@@samplingthetext i dont really care about the new operating systems ui because im not looking at it any of the time anyways, im just using applications
@@combopybrosharkfrenforhire6420 windows 11 to me feels like a reskin (THATS REALLY GOOD) of windows 10 with widgets and android app support
Look windows vista was a disaster but it will forever be a place in my heart
And it was the most prettiest version of windows
Tbh vista was good, the only reason why people hated it is because it took off horribly but nowadays it could be considered a very good OS
Yeah it's real pretty I love vista
True but i never use Windows vista
Do you realize that Windows 7 was simply an improved, upgraded version of Windows Vista?
@@PineappleWappleMinecraftVids yes
My mother bought a Gateway PC back in 2000. She asked me to come over and set it up for her. I got everything out of their boxes, hooked up the PC and pressed the power button. I booted to the desktop and immediately blue screened. I knew from then on it was going to suck.
What OS did it ran?
Windows Xp Never dies,That cool start-up sound Gives me shivers.Good old days.
I use 10, but I still think back on xp. It was so great.
Me use 10
Me love XP FOREVER and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever
And the shutdown.
Same with 7 start up.
My windows 10 PC uses windows 7 start up sound:)
@@cycrothelargeplanet lol
@@cycrothelargeplanet lol
Windows 8 was so bad that one night when I was 11, I literally installed windows 10 on my family's PC without permission because I hated it so much. I got grounded for it cuz my parents aren't good with computers and they were angry that everything changed but I think it was worth it to get rid of windows 8.
Idk what to say so yeah
lol
You simply replaced crap with more crap.
@Hemang Korane I couldn't tell you. Windows 10 is banned from my house and home network. It doesn't meet my criteria for usability, privacy and security standards. Therefore it is shit - how much shit compared to other shit is not my concern.
@@catsEeter haha i clicked my middle mouse button scroll go brrrr
@Just Ordinary The only Windows OSes that run successfully in 2GB RAM are those up to and including Windows XP, which is where Microsoft peaked - everything since XP has been downhill since.
Honestly, Windows 8.1 was like Vista SP2, it made the operating system viable.
8.0 was good to begin with. It's GUI was a PitA and it was the main reason for 8.1's release (Start Menu + Desktop default at startup). As for Vista, SP2 did improve it a bit, but it was still the same unstable and slow OS (even on high-end hardware).
I had to download a start menu to use 8.. dont remember what it was called anymore
@@mlthmp You didn't need a start menu to be able to use 8, but installing Classic Shell made things easier.
@@michamarkowski2204 I thought openshell was the most viable start menu alternative
@@manformerlypigbukkit Open Shell is the continuation of Classic Shell.
Hi! Windows ME was called "MüllEimer" in germany, which means garbage bucket.
My first custom pc ran windows 8.1, I actually really liked it, my hardware was far from quick, yet the UI on 8.1 actually felt snappy compared to 10
Opposite for me
He was criticizing 8, not 8.1
same. windows 8 ran great in my pc back im 2016 or something. But now in 2021, windows 10 is unusable. I had to disable antimalware in the registry to make it use a little bit of less cpu and disk when i start it.
Everytime i boot my pc, there's like 10 windows proccesses using cpu and disk. It's so fucking annoying. Thinking about what can my PC do, even if the hardware is pretty weak and old, windows 10 is just creating a bottleneck.
@@winitdc he did kinda critize both. 8.1 was a bandaid solution. Also it wasn't really its own OS, more like "Second Edition" for 98.
But I actually ran 8 and 8.1 for a time myself. Just get ClassicShell, set it to boot directly onto the Desktop... and it was mostly fine.
Apps were weird, but... you didn't have to use them. For every weird app there was also the standard old Win7 desktop version still included.
Actually using that damn OS (once fully set up) was actually a pretty good experience. I actually didn't want to go back anymore,
once I've gotten used to the better boot times and general snappiness compared to 7. But evaluating the OS wasn't.
That's also the general jest I got from other people. Those people who got a prebuilt with Win8, got used to it pretty quick, maybe changed some settings, and were pretty happy. But those who updated their system or maybe tried it in a VM hated it and went back to 7.
8.1 on my old laptop runs great, and can install all W10 and W7 programs I need
Also SpyOS must be included.
Excuse me, ChromeOS
Chrome os is Linux but with more programs
@@josephstalin2647 and with more spyware, and without linux programs
@@josephstalin2647 ChromeOS is gentoo linux but with its balls ripped off and internal organs eviscerated to baby-proof the system and to add in obtuse amounts of telemetry.
@@josephstalin2647 Chrome OS is linux but it's stripped bare and is spying on you
@@tastezemelon7229 i hate gentoo
Look I remember parents getting a new PC with ME and when they finally decided to upgrade, they got one with Vista. Good times.
I have a Pentium Dual Core based laptop that ran Vista at one point, installed Linux Mint on an SSD and now it’s my daily driver
@@ashii_ii have a look at craigs list or something like that. Don't know where you're at, but here in Germany people throw better PCs away. Heck, if by some chance you live in Germany you can have my i5-2400 + Mobo + 16Gigs of DDR3-1600 for 5 bucks postage...
Even if you don't care a bit about performance (although Dual Core Pentium sounds pretty rough even for youtube nowadays) the energy savings are probably worth it to go with something newer than a Vista era rig.
I actually really liked Vista, I only ran into a few crashes before and even then it was just a simple mistake, program crash, and overriding the RAM.
@@lunakoala5053 i'miss you
@@Bari-gd good for you
Remote Desktoping into Windows 8 internationally was one of the most painful experiences I've had. The RDP (in basic onrelease 8), forced you into the mobile touchscreen interface with just mouse emulated as touch. So no cursor, you had to basically guess where to click to force it back to desktop mode. On a good connection this wasn't too bad, but over a laggy connection to a client using hotel or airport wifi on the other side of the world who wanted something fixing or configuring asap before their meeting... extremely frustrating
Yeah, I had it in 2012 and internet could not work on it, a month later came 8.1 and you could end up with a 7 like program on it that was better and had Windows 8 features you could disable. However, I had computers on 8.1 die all the time a one specific model of Lenovo mouse connection from and arrow keys died but most were my doing unlike last Windows 10 POS model due to a feature I had on it, a CD/DVD drive so casing was crap. Last computer in 8.1 versions I had for a year and 5 minutes after Windows stopped support I had a Virus that said it came from Windows when reading code. I did upgrade but got screwed on upload in older files on cloud from my XP I had saved were lost forever and even uploading older files from zip drive the windows 10 would not accept the files due to age so they are gone for good.
I never referred to ME as "Mistake Edition". It was "Major Error" in my house.
Blue Screen of death. Windows FE
@Alan Thorbum: Windows 2000 professional was the best OS until vista because W2k was the revamped version of ME and required less hardware resources at a time when a potato office PC.
I referred to it as “Millenial Edition”
@@MalrusOSC Yes well its worth noting how different windows 2k pro was from ME. Windows XP had some major issues with back door trojans.
😏😣
I saw the thumbnail for this video and my heart almost stopped because I thought I saw windows XP in the trash can.
Millennium edition
I thought it was windows 98
Nope that was Vista its the only one that looks like xp
windows xp has no shaders and isn't born in a circle
That is Vista
Always really easy to look back on what was on offer in the past. I remember when an OS could sit in 16k of RAM. The hardware limitations of the day dictated what was capable of being implemented, something commonly forgotten today.
I wish modern developers would be restricted more. Notice how development consoles always have more RAM than the end user consoles? Sure, they need extra to run a debugger in the background, but what if they could do their job in the same space as the user console? We might have some pretty awesome software that doesn't lag half the time.
Its a game ! Software gets bigger, so hardware gets bigger, so software gets bigger , so hardware gets bigger .................and thats how its been since the ibm pc with an 8086 and msdos .
And computers would boot up in less than 1 second :)
It also forced developers to really think hard about what could be accomplished within those constraints. Some pretty amazing stuff came out of pushing hard against the limits and really comprehending what the computer could and couldn't not do.
@@jnharton you said "couldn't not" couldn't means "could not"
I had an ME box that lasted for years! It was buggy at first, but after a couple service packs, it worked great. I used it for a long, long time and only replaced it when it got so old that the software I needed to use wouldn't run on it.
With Vista the problem came from the fact that it would brick lower-end computers - even newer ones. It didn't play well with the budget laptop I was using for college work, which even came with it pre-installed on the machine - so there was no getting out of it at that point. 8 *ran* decently enough, however that tablet style start menu was absolutely unusable for me. All the icons were too big and too spaced out for me to really "read" it properly; it might have been better on a laptop, but the sheer size of the text and buttons on a desktop screen just made it look like a bad piece of pop art and completely unfit for use. A lot of the time I just had to use the search function. Or just dig through the file explorer.
Yep, digging through files was *easier* than trying to navigate windows by andy warhol
Same here - Vista came pre-installed on a budget laptop and was just awfully slow! I tried to work with that clunker far too long. When it finally crashed beyond any quick fix I wiped the HDD and installed XP. The result was a nice running machine for years!
I had no problem with my machine that was the slowest single core Semperon core AM2 CPU that was ever available in the US (I think there was 1 slower outside of the US) and OBG initially. I did however have 2gb of ram. It was a memory thing more than any other part of the computer.
I am wondering which OS intiated the term " the blue screen of death" I think it was before VIsta.
@@mfsolutions it certainly was. Not sure how far back though. Possibly DOS.
Chromebooks are even worse lil bro stop crying about vista
“Windows XP became xtremely popular “
Windows Xtremely Popular
@@sarahkraus8247 🔥🔥🔥🔥
I made my Windows 7 computer look like Windows XP lol.
back when it was made it did get popular.
*extremely
My father calls windows vista "windows svista". "Svista" (also σβήσ' τα) is a greek word that means delete them lol
Ur dad is tryna say windows, please delete this OS
In russian, many people call it Visla because зависла (zavisla) is a slang for a program being frozen 😂
@@sweet_krona hahahhaha
We call them like that at times.
in italian, "svista" means "oversight" lol
11:02 Windows 8.1 also has the Charms bar. My problem with it is not that the charms were unintuitive or that I didn't know how to access those things, but that they would sometimes come up unbidden and get in the way when all I wanted to do was access something on the right hand side, like a vertical scrollbar.
Charms bar was present in windows 8 too
I actually liked Vista. On semi decent hardware it ran fairly well, and it brought a huge number of quality-of-life improvements that we still use today. Drivers and compatibility are what really killed the OS. At the time I was working in a retail computer store (not big box, but similar), the number of devices that didn't have Vista drivers out of the box was simply shocking. Its almost like they didn't care (HP was notorious for this, 2 years after launch and they still weren't providing driver discs), combined with larger overall driver package sizes for Vista over XP, and still 56K modems being commonplace lead to it being a pain in the backside.
I feel Vista was not bad, it was just ahead of its time for the hardware that was out there in general use.. Between XP and Windows 7, Vista worked as a transition but Vista was nonetheless good .
@@crewrangergaming9582 I'd say it was in that weird limbo of both being ahead of its time and not at the same time. The hardwear existed to run it, but consumers hadent quite yet adopted it. Vista basically forced people to upgrade hardware. Vista fell so 7 could run.
@@alfsleftnut9224 7 ran so 10 could jump
@@Samar_Carroll 10 jumped so 11 could splatter on the concrete
@@alfsleftnut9224 and hopefully 12 will be the one to get back up
"Microsoft sues them, loses, pays them $20M". The American Dream.
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A lot of the screenshots you shared of JavaOS were actually IBM's OS/2 Warp v.4. IBM went all-in on Java as a desperate attempt to fill in the application gap in OS/2, but the two operating systems are completely different.
Nostalgic feelings. Back then OS/2 Warp brought me into contact with "the internet".
You are right. JavaOS is based on Chorus, which is based on the Mach kernel. Targeted for network-, small or embedded devices and can run with as little as 512K ROM and 256K RAM. (see archiveos)
Also: He is very young. Using that mentioned or any "time sharing system" of the 1960ies on-wards for pranks? Good joke! You begged for time ON the machine. There was a queue. And the mentioned machine was no mainframe, but a "mini computer" **g** More also: Passwords ... for what? The punch cards? Or physical tapes you had under your control/supervision? Or for wasting precious Magnetic-core memory?
Some holes in the research, but doesn't matter, would've been a new rabbit hole to dive into for Joe:)
Personal opinion: I think JavaOS is a sickness and has (and had!) to be treated like one.
I prefer(ed) the other disease, when it comes to such small devices: Palm OS:P
So that's why I kept feeling "Why the JavaOS GUI looks extremely like OS/2 ?" ...
Where was OS/2? They used to say it was named that way because it was only half an operating system. Another popular burn was "PS/2: yesterday's hardware today, OS/2: yesterday's software tomorrow".
OS/2 wasn't bad. Somewhat difficult to setup, and a limited native software base, but not bad.
I didn’t even know there were 7 operating systems
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There's everything from the 20 or so different versions of Windows to the hundreds of Linux distros to all the macOS/System Software releases, to older stuff such as MS-DOS and even operating systems for individual computers, such as the Commodore 64's operating system, for example, and then there's more niche operating systems, like BeOS/Haiku, FreeBSD, FreeDOS, ChromeOS, and ReactOS, and that's just desktop computer operating systems, when you go into mobile operating systems there's Android, iOS, Ubuntu Touch, Windows Mobile, FirefoxOS, and KaiOS, then there are operating systems for gaming consoles which run their own operating systems. A lot of operating systems exist that we don't even think about.
Burroughs had a least one.
HP had more than one
DEC had more that one OS.
IBM had about 4 OSes on the IBM-360, IBM-370 series.
On the PC there was DR DOS and CPM
Microsoft did DOS 1 to DOS 7
If you count DOS 7 don't count Windows-95
IBM made OS2 for the PC
There are a long list of real time OSes
Unix is around
There is Linux
@@mjdxp5688
On the Linux distros, I have 15 xxx.iso files for different ones on this computer
Well, I can name at least 7 different OS: Windows, macOS, Linux, BSD, MINIX, Unix, OS/2... and those are just desktop OS, there are also mobile OS like iOS, Android, Windows Phone, Blackberry OS, Palm OS...
Anyone who used Windows ME in a VM and not installed to hardware doesn't know why it was truly hated.
Anyone who used Windows ME in a VM and not installed to hardware doesnt know why it was truly hated.
Anyone who used Windows ME in a VM and not installed to hardware doesnt know why it was truly hated.
True, he is just speculating and making assumptions of something that never used on real hardware, typical rushed content by youtubers
@@DualPerformance was going to say the same
The quick startup was what hooked me. The rest... not so much. Thankfully 98lite helped somewhat.
The PDP series of computers were not "mainframes." They were mini computers designed for small companies that couldn't afford IBM 360's or CDC 3600's. They were also used as "switches" connecting dozens, or hundreds, of dumb terminals to the mainframe for early networking. This is how the Lawrence Livermore Lab's "Octopus" network was organized (with a CDC 7600 as the mainframe).
Correct. It surprised me when he said that.
that astroid game that they made
i love how i thought my old pc was a Windows 10 computer until its hard drive failed. We had to reset the system and it turned out to be a Windows 8 computer, which i think is okay. However, i didnt use it much because the computer eventually broke the day after thanks to the hard drive failing, it was a all-in-one PC
The main reason why the UAC prompt came up so much in Windows Vista was because programs for XP and earlier assumed your had administrators privilege's and tried to edit files that were outside of the programs own directory or the users data folder. This would automatically trigger UAC. Windows 10 will trigger it as well if a program tries to do this.
As third party software was updated, the issue slowly went away. The main issue wasn't an operating system issue but third party software companies not following what Microsoft told them to do back in 1995 when Windows NT came out.
An operating system I loved was called DMFIII (Data Management Facility). It had a built-in file management facility, so you could create a database application. Another unusual facility, was that from a terminal you could bypass the OS and create a machine code programme and do whatever you want. OK, security not great, but you could get into the bowels of the system and learn how it worked.
where is it???
are humans considered operating systems tho, thats the real question..
heh
Yes
That would be the Matrix operating system.
No
"are humans considered operating systems tho"
Yes and they come with more bugs viruses, lack of any useful memory and non-functioning hardware then any computer designer could ever create on purpose.
Lindows creators got 20 million dollars from Microsoft for changing the name of their product? That's probably more money than they ever dreamed of making by selling their stuff.
I remember Windows 8. As a kid, the first computer I interacted with ran on Windows 7, and I eventually figured it out. Later, we got new computers that ran windows 8. I was very confused. The start screen was weird, and I tried to avoid it whenever possible, as well as the full screen apps.
8.1 in classic mode screamed.
Yeah the first time I used windows 8 I was going crazy cause of the full screen apps and start menu
I am still using Windows 7...
@@jianmingliu2767 me too
I Started using an Windows at 2017 and theres a big Windows7 invasion
7:17 that thing looks like a tissue box
You weren’t that bad an OS, you did have some good parts
Look, you is me but little less functions!
@@_kitaes_ are you corrupted or something?
@@walterthemathcooker no
Hi
Contrary to the popular reputation, Windows 8.1 was my favourite OS ever. I still use it on my secondary laptop. Though the prime reason was that I had a really ahead-of-the-time-hardware touchscreen laptop. The animations are so beautiful, the OS never lags, even on a 2014 laptop - yes. As for app support and security, that's the only thing that's preventing me from keeping it as the primary OS. I understand it was really bad for non-touchscreen devices, but I just can't look at it that way since I've never used it that way. In my opinion, it was nothing inherently wrong with the OS, just that Microsoft implemented it the wrong way. I would've loved to see Windows 8.1 design evolve further instead of muting it the way Windows 10 did.
same with my dad. he has a laptop with 2 os's win 8.1 and win 10. he always uses 8.1
I agree with you, Microsoft should make an OS like for example windows 8.X
At the moment , most people wont belive it but 8.1 is better then 10 and 11. Its such a lightwaith system and runs very fast even on older hardware. Win 10 got bloated with junkware and spyware to sunch an extent that it takes forever to do something and it uses so much of you resources. There is a way to make 10 good but you have gut it to barebones and leave it as hacked version with no updates or MS office and other soft. However the advantauge is that its supper fast.
8.1 really does seem to have great performance compared to anything later. It seems to be particularly receptive to hard drives and lighter hardware.
@@mowtow90 ever heard about SSD ?
Vista was too ahead of its time, and never got a chance to be popular. I do still use it for fun myself on a triple-booted laptop of mine where I have XP, Vista, and 7. Windows 8 was also not horrible though. Once I got used to it, it felt great, and it ran so fast. I have an old Pentium 4 Dell OptiPlex GX620 desktop, and it's so fast. It's so old too.
@ARandomInternetUser08 Same here. I never got the hate. I setup an office network with 6 Dell Deskops using Vista and it was the bomb. Never had a more stable desktop environment for accessing the network SQL database off a MS Server OS.
@@cjandjamesfitzpatrick9581 the hate mainly came from the people trying to upgrade to Vista from XP. The hardware requirement jump was insane compared to Vista to 7. Hardware was able to adapt to what Vista was, and by the time 7 came around, newer and faster computers were more widespread compared to the time of Vista's release. Vista and 7, from what I've seen, have pretty similar hardware requirements, but were years apart. Vista never got a chance. :(
I actually liked Vista over W7. I built my own system and turned off UAC , so I had none of the slowdown issues most people experienced. Only worked on ME once, and it was an utter pain to fix. I could see why that one was so hated.
Even 2000 was hated by people who got 2000 over Me if newer computer could not install 98/98se.
I remember when I first installed Windows 8 and started it up I was like “WTF happened to the start menu ????” Pathetic MS
Just looking at those screenshots of Win8 makes me shudder. I'd been using XP and 7 (set to 'classic' i.e. XP-like) at work for years, and so had my father. When he went into a retirement home I bought him a new laptop and got set to install his favourite software on it - but the laptop had Windows 8 on it. *Nothing* I tried worked. After a couple of hours of screaming at it, and I had to restrain myself from actually throwing the thing out the window, I took it back to the shop for a refund (because if I couldn't decipher it, my father certainly couldn't).
When people complain that they stick with windows because they have no time learning linux... well just remember, MS can pull a tricky on you any time just like they did with Win8. And now they update your os without asking first.
@@realGBx64 They do ask for you to install it and you can tell windows to shut up about the updates for an year. Eitherways, i think you should update your OS regularly.
@@ananttiwari1337 I update my os every week. when I want to, and not when some American megacorporation wants me to. And at each update, I see exactly what are the changes.
@@realGBx64 ok
I went from 7 directly to 10. Luckily before all there changes made to shrink the control panel, I'm sad that 20H2 won't have the typical screen to move to a domain and many in our office were confused till one found it and showed it to us.
Same
Same
@Gamingwelle: I had each and every windows but I prefer Android tablets because android is very feature rich and has the important business enterprise software straight from Microsoft. I very excited about windows 11 on a proper surface PC.
It's funny listening to millenials explain DOS, and getting confused. He said "there was nothing pre-installed."
Well, it was a Disk Based Operating System, so you had to install *all* the programs yourself.
And it did come with programs: it had BASIC, an Assembler, and an Text Editor. And some utilities, like CHKDSK and XCOPY, etc.
Everyone knows the best operating system:
Microshaft Winblows 98
Microsoft Windows 98 is the second opprearting system after 95 in 1995 95 was created and 98 was in 1998
@@rishikeshpant3060 no
The best one is windows 7
@@Ali-Mhsn Windows 95 was more popular than any other Windows OS
@@mainframehardtutorials8441 so what? Windows 7 is the best one tho
Best part of Vista was Aero and the Start menu.
Java slow? It was called Java so you can go to Starbucks and get a bit of coffee while it tries to do anything!
Yup,no wonder it shows the fresh coffee ready to be drinking by someone using the computer!
JavaOS in a way lead to Android an OS for smartphones that designed to run apps written in Java and based on the Linux Kernel
JavaOs was designed to run on embedded devices. There is still big misconception java is slow, while is is true that C++ C and other similar languages are faster, Java itself is not that slow, it's just a different kind of programming language, it has garbage collector and it's memory safe. Garbage collector is the main reason why some java program may be slower and use more ram, but good programmer can avoid memory allocations, so it only depends if the programmer is good
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"Knock-knock." "Who's there?" [Reaaaaally long pause.] "Java."
Microsoft since windows 8 starts focusing only on marketing and making money but the design and functionalities were just horrible. Since windows 8 I moved to Linux, RH or Ubuntu, it's more practical and simple and after few months you'll be able
to replace almost all applications running on windows. RIP Windows.
I still remember very well the chaos around "Lindows" and the court cases around it. The court ruled that "indows" was too common/general for them to copywrite.
Time to unvail my new OS, Bindows!
@@OnlyEpicEmber Blindows (blin means pancake in slav/russian )
🅱️indows
Windows vista has one of the best looking desktop ,start menu, taskbar
Even design of Vista screams "slow". As if it was made by a 50yo boomer mom for an atm
@@HaohmaruHL Try running Vista on hardware that actually meets the recommended specs - it ranks right next to Windows 10 as best OS ever released. Faster than fast and runs flawlessly.
@@looneyburgmusic Are you saying Win Vista sucks?
@@louistournas120 Not at all.
Saying that if you try to run Vista on hardware that is in no way capable of actually running the OS, you are going to have a bad time.
It is much the same as how updates by CrApple™ to OSX forever ends the ability of older CrApple™ hardware to be used. In some cases OSX will not even install.
I just realize computers used to be bigger than a whole Kmart did now we have phones or more or not even a pound so much powerful than that Kmart PC computer
To my mind, a good operating system is one where you have full control over it and everything just works. I don't want operating systems that delete files, change settings without my permission, force updates, NEED frequent updates, and is in-your-face.
"I don't use the Windows key anyway"
Win E, Win R, Win X, Win 1, Win2, Win D, Win period, Win and type to search.
How can someone live without these shortcuts?😂
I know this is a joke (not really but just to be safe) but I think he meant to open up the start menu he doesn't use the windows key for the start menu only
win tab, win ctrl d, win ctrl arrow, win i, win L, win v
@jdslyman I'm not a fan of clucky keys, terrible for discord calls
@jdslyman And control escape works as the Windows key
How many of us are old enough to remember being rather irritated with those keyboards with that "Macro" located between the Ctrl and Alt keys -- in the same location the "Windows" key occupies now. The annoying part was that unless you loaded software specific for those keyboards (often in the form of a SYS file you load in CONFIG.SYS or a TSR loaded in AUTOEXEC.BAT), that key did absolutely nothing (the irritation coming from hitting this "do nothing" key rather than the Ctrl or Alt we were intending to press).
There was one good thing about Windows ME. It was cheap and gave you a valid upgrade path for the next Windows Operating System.
There was one good thing about WIndows ME. It was cheap and gave you a valid upgrade path for the next Windows Operating System.
@@Theunicorn2012 Copy much?
I've had a computer ran Windows me and it wasn't that bad
It tended to vary a lot depending on hardware. Some bugs were in the drivers for hardware.
Did you ever try to update Windows me!? If you did you would have found out it would have failed especially on the eMachines not a single one of them could you update Windows me without it completely corrupting the windows forcing you to use the CD to reinstall again
Windows me issues were caused mostly by shit drivers
The main issue with Windows Me was that was a Frankenstein between two OS. In one hand, was going to continue the Win32 (Windows 98) architecture so it would be compatible with most hardware and software; but also they added features based in WinNT (All new versions since Win 2000) system.
So, not only there were the normal problems with driver compatibility since Windows 95, but if the system ended with both Win32/WinNT drivers in the same machine it would crash, something that would not happen either in a Windows 98 or Windows 2000 system.
At the end, the two best things Microsoft did to solve all that problems were a) Moving the entire OS to the WinNT architecture, starting in consumers with Windows XP b) Controlling the certification and distribution of drivers though the WQHL / Windows Update system. That model was controversial when they introduced it but, in the long run. has paid off and now the driver compatibility issues are minimal and systems are more stable than ever.
Mine back in the day self destructed. It got to the point to where even file management was a difficult task. To move a file I’d have to move it to an external source, then to the new destination. Doing it natively would cause problems and fail. lol
Edit: when I eventually got ahold of winXP, that PC never felt better to use. Even on only 64M RAM!
Ever since I migrated from Windows to using Linux for most tasks, it has all been happiness !
I do have a windows machine for playing games , because of well the DirectX and virtually all games are written to run on it. Not much gaming on Linux.
But for general browsing, email, programming, and most tasks (other than games ) , linux reigns supreme in my mind.
Yeah and cannot wait to load mint 22. I might try all three versions Xfce, mate and cinnamon. I did like cinnamon when I first tried it on an older version. 73
In the Netherlands the ME stood for Meer Ellende (more misery).
I will never understand why XP was discontinued. It worked perfect all the time.
It seems, judging from your choices here, that you were quite happy with OS Warp.
Windows XP was continued with a name change. The next version of it was Windows 7.
Mycket elände in swedish too
@@dukenukem5768 A very poor substitute, at least in terms of user interface. Microsoft broke a number of hotkeys (for starters, those for answering dialog boxes having to do with overwriting when copying/moving files) that I liked to use in Windows XP; at least Vista retained those.
@@Lucius_Chiaraviglio That's a pretty niche use case. I loved Windows 7 and was rightly pissed when Microshaft decided to replace it with the 5 alarm fire that was Windows 8.
@@tackytrooper It isn't a niche case when it's something I use several times every day.
Edit: I don't dispute that Windows 8 would be even worse (fortunately, I never had to use it more than trying out a store demo for a few minutes). But for me, Windows 7 was worse in terms of user interface (although better in stability) than Vista, which was in turn worse than XP. Windows 10 (haven't had an opportunity to try 11 yet)? Better than 7 (and thence 8), and better stability than Vista, but not as good as XP.
2:03 That's a wierd mediaplayer =D
Yeah lol
What is that
Yeah
@@cycrothelargeplanet Windows Media Player
@@MP-uv3nd that's not what I meant and 2 *forgetion*
This video is basically digging into the cream of the crap.
Ooh, good one. I have to remember that one.
3 years later and we can safely say that windows 11 is going to be in the next list
Have you ever heard about the Windows Cement? It was the Windows Central European Millenium Edition NT. The motto was this: Windows CeMeNT, strong as a brick! In Germany this was called also Windows Crash Edition, Windows für Mama-Edition NT. It was so funny 😀
CEMENT also stood for Windows CE, Windows ME and Windows NT
"Windows Cement" might be the funniest name I have ever seen
Cement in russian is literally a brick.
My lecturer used to say Windows Not Tested
I have had some recent encounter of Windows Embedded Handheld recently, which is based on Windows CE and Phone 6.5.
A very crash-prone and slow OS that haven't seen any improvement since 2005. And it's still in use in some places.
I also did some development on Windows Phone 6.5 - and a lot of the OS API calls were "The light is on but nobody's home", you made the call and got an OK response but nothing was implemented behind the call, so you didn't know if the call worked or not. A "NotImplementedException" would have been eons better.
Only Vista machine I ever bought blue screened directly out of the box on its first start up.
MS-DOS 3.2 was my go-to DOS for almost a decade. DOS 3.2 was a sweet spot between memory usage and features that I would actually need.
Yeah, but wasn't that a version before DOS could use all of a hard drive if it was larger than 40MB so you had to make separate partitions?
More of a DOS 5 man myself, though I think 6.2 worked too.
@@flyingGrandpa I used DOS 3.2 on a Commodore Colt 8088 which didn't have a hard drive... That computer was basically my BBS browser and CGA gaming machine.
@@telengardforever7783 yeah my original IBM PC had no hard drive either. I remember thinking when I added a 10MB hard drive that I'd never be able to max it out in one lifetime. ROFL.
Back in the day, I had Lindows on a bootable CD ROM. I found it very useful in recovering deleted files on an MS Windows partition.
The initial release of DOS 6.0 had a huge "oops" with the integrated compressed disk system. It worked great -- except when you ran Windows. If you set up your boot drive as compressed, there was a good chance that running Windows would scramble the compressed partition (rendering your system unbootable).
the other "oops" was the behavior of the BACKUP and RESTORE program -- it would ask you to eject and swap the diskettes while the drive was still spinning. That's not too big of a problem with 5.25" diskette drive, but a big problem with 3.5" diskette drive. Actuating the eject lever on the 5.25" drive would physically disengage the head from the disk surface by levering it away. On a 3.5" diskette drive it was different -- there was no physical interlock that disengaged the head prior to the disk being jected --- so in this case you'd cause the diskette to be jammed into the read/write head. Enough cycles of this and you'd physically damage the drive (and possibly the diskette).
The "compressed" option was a trojan horse for MS users. People thought it would save some space, but in the end it meant trouble. And it was also available from Windows (e.g. Windows XP) with the same result.
I'm not sure, but I can remember MS DOS 6.0 made me change to PC DOS
I had DOS 6 and used compression for several YEARS with no problems, Of course my broke ass had an old 386 Compaq with a tiny hard drive, So it was a NEEDED feature. I didn't even HAVE any version of Windows yet, So I didn't run in to the data scrambling problem. LOL. I still have DOS 6.22 in VMs and in DosBox today.
Many years ago I worked on the Olivetti TC800, one of the most bizarre machines I've ever encountered. Application programs were written in Assembler but the programs were interpreted instead of being executed as machine code. Yes, they had an interpreter for assembly language, something I've never seen before or since.
There was no backspace key so any errors couldn't be corrected. You had to get the bad line rejected then retype everything.
There was no option to delete a file - you had to copy the files you wanted to keep to a work directory, delete everything in the current directly and then copy the files back in.
It had two operating modes called Dos and Commos. You swapped between them with the commands 'ToDos' and 'ToCos'.
If you entered 'ToDos' and you were already in Dos the entire machine locked up.
what a weird system
Quick get out work cmd
Had Window 8 and 8.1, remember downloading a Classic Shell program that gave it the windows 7 look returning the windows in the corner. I remember reading an article that Classic Shell was boasting millions and millions of downloads since so many users hated the windows 8 and 8.1 look, made the jump to windows 10 as soon as I could
Nothing wrong with windows 8 except it was lacking a built in desktop mode which is a bfd.
I use the start screen
Windows 8.1 is fast and faster speed than windows 7 and 10 it is very nice only one thing I don't like is start menu except is excellent
I used Windows ME. I think the restore function, windows media player and movie maker were really great. It certainly was better than Windows 95/98 and to some extent windows 2000 which was oriented towards professionals
I LOVED XP, someone should write a update program, to keep this alive.
I still have my XP installation disc 😁
XP and eventually 7 were the best. I run Linux Lite these days (not gonna touch 10), and I make it look as close as possible to classic Windows.
I still run windows xp in windows 2000 user interface. Damm site better than windows 10. Much better user interface. Quicker to navigate. Loved windows 7 user interface but still does not work as well as to 2k ui.
It was the last of the halfway decent MS Windows and even then it kept on crashing on my desktop. I got so frustrated with the blue screens I converted to Linux and have never looked back.
@@Diggy22 Me too but I haven't touched MS in 8 years.
I must be the oddest person ever, I loved Windows 8 and 8.1
If you ignore the lack of inbox games, DVD reading and burning, gadgets and of aero, they ran fine honestly. Metro was pretty good although full-screen wasn't the best idea for it.
Same and windows vista too and the new style of XP.
win 8 and 8.1 were solid os... most people just didn't bother setting up their start menu... speed and reliability were just fine for me.
I gotta be honest: I thought it was amazing when I demoed it on a Sony tablet pc. It was nice on that machine.
As soon as I saw it on a Desktop, it was the end for me 🤣
I use it to this day. Ryzen 7 2700 runs great on it
Red Star OS should have at least gotten an honorable mention.
I think there are a lot of crappy operating systems.
Yes the red star OS should have (could have) been in that list too!
Is that the OS used by North Korean government?
@@bocchertherock was used yes, don't know if it's still being updated. The last version leak was already quite some time ago.
It's just a Linux distro tho.
it is not an operating system it was just a Linux distribution
We knew the "ME" part in Windows Me as "Many Errors".
or malicious edition
Or misleaded edition
Or Memes Edition. Because I've seen a lot of memes about that piece of junk OS.
@@LawWonderTV9 Children who do memes don’t even know about Windows ME
@ZcyberTech yeah, I never used it before and I didn't even rate it
We all love poking fun at AMD's drivers
But people seem to forget Nvidia's Vista drivers
yes yes. i saw a graph way back, showing that 75% of the driver crashes were from nvidia, eventually leading helping vista's blind hate because simply no OEM at the time wanted to rewrite the driver to run with the new model.
I have amd and I had no problem whatsoever with the drivers
When people whine about vista I remind them that XP was shit until SP2 as well
@@sinephase finally someone who recognizes that. notably, firewall wouldnt be enabled by default until SP2
@@BloxerPlot Dude I'm just old enough to remember all that shit and I waited until SP2 before I even upgraded from 98SE LOL
Watching this, I find it amusing. I never had 1 issue with Windows ME, never crashed, never had a problem with it. MS-DOS 4.x also, never once crashed on me. I had none of the issues that were supposedly out in the wild. I sometimes wonder if it was old drivers or software that cause the issues more than the operating system itself.
I don't think it is fair to say a 60's operating system was bad compared to todays software. You need to compare it to other OS's from the time, not to today's software.
I've used Windows ME about 4 years and I haven't much problem with it. Sometimes it crashed, but not so often. Me then back run on slow processor and few RAM. Later XP crashed sometimes too with more powerful hardware, at that time I began to switch to linux, especially after XP sp3 . When slowly Wista appeared I was happy Ubuntu user and still I am.
Yes interesting, I never had an issue with Windows ME either - quite liked it at the time in fact. Never used DOS 4, so can't comment on that - went from 3.3 to 5
I also used ME with success for several years. If you knew how to tweak it and did not expect it to run for several days, it was OK with me.
I never had any problems with the ME operating system, It was a big improvement over the Windows 98 SE that I had before it... It was way better....
@@latachia_2981 Like how? It has a couple nice things like system restore and better out of the box usb support, but it's also buggier and can't boot to DOS for no reason.
Hello, someone remembers Windows Mojave? The Microsoft experiment that made a lot of XP fans upgrade to Vista.
You forgot all the bad MacOS version? 6 and 7 were NOTORIOUSLY unstable and the "bomb" (basically the white cross in a red circle equivalent from Windows) was a common thing. For going "Worst OS Ever" and leave out MacOS from the Non-Steve Jobs era kind of disqualifies you from judgement . . .;) EDIT: Also, Windows 7 is still internally 6.x, it IS Vista.
I spent 15 years doing IT for a few places that ran a lot of MacOS 7/8/9 machines, even well after OS X came out. If you don't know the delights of figuring out why one of those things was going bonkers... Is it a Control Panel conflict? An Extension conflict? Bad preferences file? Bad font? Random file corruption? Here, have an error message that's nothing more than a negative number (if you're lucky). If I had a dollar for every time I had to boot a Mac from CD and run Norton Disk Doctor I could have retired years ago.
I worked for tech support at a university during the 90's and I can't agree more. Cooperative Multi-tasking at it's best.
I knew there were one or two verssion of Mac OS that was a disaster. I remember jusst getting an error that said, "Something's Wrong." I never hit the shortcut for save more than on that OS, pretty sure it was Version 6.
Nobody ever used them to find out
Maybe not the same category, since it was never released to the general public, but... Temple OS!
The only OS you need.
@@TokyoXtreme Jebus take the wheel! :)
@Kaiten Oh, I bet it is!
I've seen several hours of video material about it, and while I agree that it's quite an experience and a considerable accomplishment, I'd still say that, for how little use a "normal" person could get out of it in terms of operating their system in the 21st century, it would still qualify as rather awful 😁
That doesn't belong on the list because this is a list of the WORST operating systems!
TempleOS is actually a sad story, duder developed c64 is didn't he? Anyway, has a crisis and gets rekt by life, then makes temple OS...tbh I think temple does 2 things...shows how much those who suffer with the mind are capable of (which having worked in mental health is against what those who struggle get taught), and equally gives insight to his torment, the colors, the applications, etc. Yet ... Ngl 3d esq icons in a prompt. That's cool shit.
Win2000 was on the other hand was a really nice OS.
Had to restart every 3:rd day due to bad memory management though.
@@freddan6fly It least it didn't crash every 3 days.
@@osiriapinkserenity It actually did crash every 3:rd day unless I restarted, due to its heritage from vax and a horrible written kernel where paging made ram more and more fragmented. And then the horrible written NTFS with its not logged file system showed its ugly face and wiped a random file not written to in ages.
@@freddan6fly Wow, I remember 2000 being the most stable Windows I've ever worked with.
It's more of a XP Beta without the themes, hardware support was very poor.
Windows Vista was not bad. The Modern things released on Windows Vista. Windows Vista was a Legend.
How about:
Microsoft Bob, "a more user-friendly interface for the Windows 3.1x, Windows 95 and Windows NT," released on March 11, 1995, and discontinued in early 1996.
IBM MPOS, the forerunner of OS/2 without a graphical interface.
Bob wasn't really an OS. It was designed as an intuitive interface shell designed for people who struggled with a conventional GUI, but it ran on top of whatever OS you had installed.
One of the reasons that UAC was annoying, was because a LOT of software made for XP and earlier used setting files (ie. .ini/.cfg files) that were stored outside the users profile (ie. under \Program Files or even inside \Windows folder). When the program tried to modify these files, UAC popped up. This was EXACTLY as UAC was intended to do. Modifying files outside your user profile in XP or earlier was allowed, so this was a huge leap in security when it was implemented in Vista. Eventually software got updated to store these files somewhere inside the useres profile folder and UAC stopped being an inconvenience.
@Håvard Johansen -
YES all the still wide spread legacy programs demanded Aministrator previleges & also Nero Burning ROM; had in it´s user manual that it needs these to work ... in windows up to 98/ME everyone had all previleges
@BB Sky -
For Windows XP & Vista there was the tool "Windows Steady State" (directly from Microsoft) that gave you an easy way to fix this & more potential problems
The first PC I owned had Windows Me in it, I never had any problems with it. I went to XP with my next new machine, same for Windows 7 and 10. I totally skipped Vista and Windows 8.
the first os i had when i was like 7 was windows xp i miss the good old memories with windows xp i never had a bug
I got my first pc with windows 7 then I bought a new pc with windows 10
Great video! I would have expected OS/2 Warp in the list though 😄
>tfw windows vista released
>have parents with old compaq brand laptops running XP full to the brim with important files and literally 0.01% storage left
>parents try to upgrade OS anyway
>laptop spontaneously combusts
Windows Vista was ahead of it's time.
Some people call it a failure but I dare them to name one thing from Vista proper (not pre-reset longhorn) that MS regretted and removed later (there wasn't, microsoft kept going in vista's direction with 7 and subsequent, unlike say windows 8 where they completely changed road afterwards. There isn't a single choice in vista proper that can be called a mistake). People say 7 is what vista was supposed to be, but 7 is what vista _was_ . MS added UI features on top of vista, plus things like libraries, but they did not solve vista's problems, because there weren't properly vista problems, only ~2007 wintel ecosystem problems, that all vanished by 2008.
@@wordart_guian Vista used to crash a lot and was slower than W7. So I'd say that there are other changes aside from the UI (and let's face it: UI is very important for the normal users, even if for tech guys like us is much more important things like security, performance and stability).
@@luisoncpp Gotta guess that's due to the crappy ~2007 drivers (and even then Vista was kinda more crash-proof due to blocking drivers from messing the kernel, which is what caused the problems in the first place), because most probs were solved by 2008 (I don't mean SP1, I mean RTM on 2008 hardware, what I used). in fact that's why 7 got less problems, not because they modified the underhood a lot, but because of the huge amelioration of the 2008 PC industry.
But I'm with you on the UI. The importance of UI is wildly underestimated. My programming teacher skipped that area of the program 🙄
Windows Vista is not terrible. It’s just ahead of it’s time. And it took 5 OR 6 YEARS to make, and I think they rushed it.
@@birds3646 how would they have rushed anything in 5 years?
Windows Me had a bad reputation. I'm glad you pointed out that this came largely from people who never used it. It wasn't much different from Windows 98, but it DID implement a RESTORE function. That meant that when your OS crashed (and it used to happen a lot) you could restore your computer to a time when everything was working well. Reputation be damned, THAT was a big improvement over Windows 98.
Oh yes. I forgot about it. By the way, I had a machine which was successfully upgraded all the way from Windows 95 to Windows ME.
I agree....
I run Windows ME back in the day I never had OS crashes but I had games refusing to work that worked just fine with win98, and even after upgrading to XP the games started to work again.
@@paradoxzee6834 Wierd!
I had a Me machine. It blew. Mom and Dad had basically the same computer with 98. it was drastically better.
2 things:
1) Windows Vista did all the dirty work for Win7 - because Vista did a complete overhaul below the surface. When Vista was launched, nobody was ready (DRIVERS!) - but when 7 came out, everyone was - 7 got all the credit. (note: i didn't use Vista)
2) I used 7 from the very beginning and was excited to use 8 from the very beginning: 8 felt so much more fluent. My workflow did not change: Whether I use 7/8/8.1/10/11 or a popular Linux distro: press Windows(super)key -> calc -> enter -> my calc pops up? :)
I know what's the BEST windows: Windows 7.
Edit: Wow thanks for the 139 likes!
S41D ツ yeah despite is end of lif
Yes. My life was grown with Windows 7 but now use Windows 10
Its aiight
Windows 10 is the worst OS for privacy
Truth
the great thing about WinME was build-in support for usb drive, where in 98SE I needed a floppy with drivers for each of my small usb drives
Haven't uses USB drives at all at that time so I didn't even know that! But ME provided also miniatures for images - the only thing I liked about ME.