MINIX Neo P1 and P3 USB Power Adapter Review and Test
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- MINIX Neo P1 and P3 USB Power Adapter Review and Test
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In this video I am looking at two Minix Power Adapters. The first power adapter is a 66W Neo P1 and is the same as the INVZI P256B. The next is also a 100W Neo P3 and is the same as the INVZI P310A. Clones!
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Great channel, in a place where everyone is trying to pump videos with the least amount of effort and most “apparent” quality, you are an outlier. Subscribed, great work, keep it up!
Thanks! Yeah, I throw some salty opinions in, but mostly the data does the talking.
The big advantage of the 65W version is that it is insanely small and light, in fact I believe it is the smallest 65W charger. So despite the poor efficiency, for some people who travel a lot where ever cubic inch matters, this is probably the best thing, plus the the swappable plugs mean you don't have to carry an adapter.
Yeah, the 65W version of this adapter is a stand out for compactness and having multiple ports. The Anker Nano II is tiny but it is a single port device. There are other tiny cube like devices but then they don't have the travel adapters bundled with the product. From that perspective this is a winning product. Also, there are tons of clones of this product under MANY brands.
@@AllThingsOnePlace so Minix/INVZI cube 65W charger is original/first product? And Minix/INVZI are best? (build quality, effeciency, performance)
@@livewtw2559 No far from original, no idea what the original is. They are all of equal build quality, efficiency, and performance. They are identical inside. I like the MINIX because it comes with the travel clip on adapters.
@@AllThingsOnePlace HyperJuice HJ265 come with 3 travel clips on adapters (US, EU, AU) and higher price :)
@@AllThingsOnePlace Do you think that the small size is why it's so damn inefficient? Cause even in 2024, the Minix 65 and 100 W chargers are the smallest on the market regardless of whether it's a travel charger or not.
There is so many power adapter videos it would be nice to have a video where you talk about what you recommend
It certainly isn’t these ones… I need to do a summary of tested adapters video soon. The current front runners are the hyphen-X and baseus multiport 100w adapters but I struggle to say recommendation though because nothing is perfect.
@@AllThingsOnePlace Any recommendation for the 65w range?
Great video. Very informative as usual. Can you test the 100w slimq
It’s on my desk!
Great review, thanks!
Thanks for watching. Seems like more power adapters fall on the wrong side of the line.
Great review, thank you so much! Could you possibly test and see if the Minix 66W supports PPS? I'm seeing conflicting information online and would like to know before I purchase.
The 66W adapter has 11V PPS support.
Great videos and analysis of power adapters and power banks. I really appreciate your in-depth technical analysis - it helps me weigh the ergonomics, form factor, and other non-technical characteristics against the technical performance and limitations. Thank you - keep up the excellent work.
Based on my experience, the INVZI is an excellent on the go power adapter. I purchased the INVZI GanHUB 100W (same as MInix P3) over three years ago - it has served me very well. Because of the size, it's great for my old macBook Pro 16" and now M3 14". The USB-B and USB-C ports allows me to travel with just on power supply for all my devices. For my home base, I use the Apple brick and other more energy efficient power adaptors. The poorly documented port reset "feature" is a constraint, but once you understand the operation - its an acceptable tradeoff over carrying a larger or multiple power adapters. Additionally, I've also successfully used it internationally with the adapter kit. All that said, I don't openly recommend it to others who won't take the time to learn its limitations and leverage it's strengths.
Thanks for watching!
I agree with your analysis of the Invzi, minix, about 30 other brands, power adapters. I think they're functional and they are compact. The travel adapters are generally available as well because there are so many brands selling this same product. You do sacrifice a bit of efficiency but if it works then it's the right one.
You've been mentioned a few times on the r/onebag subreddit. One of the tricky things is finding a power adapter that is safe but also handles voltage conversion and has compact international adapters. The MINIX is great for that but as you said poorly efficient. Could you put in international adapters as a category that can be filtered for on your website? It would be very useful for a lot of people.
Yeah, I can add the word travel to the minix adapters. Search will find them. Technically, ALL power adapters can be travel adapters though so I’ll only add to ones that comes with adapters. So far, only the minix has done that. I have a few others not tested though.
@@AllThingsOnePlace I really appreciate that, thank you, and I'm sure many other people in the subreddit will appreciate it too
Hi thanks for the video. I am doing the Atlas mountains race in February. It's a self supported bike race.
I need a charger and power bank to change my Garmin lights and phone.
Can you recommend any devices.
Thanks Dave Tilly.
I'd recommend two devices, primary and a backup for something like that. Do you know how much energy those devices need and how long they need to be powered for as well as what protocol they talk (USB C is assumed but PD)? Say you need 20 Wh per day to charge the two devices, then you need a 30 Wh minimum pack before losses, divide by 3.7 volts then multiply by 1000 to get milliamp hours = about 8000 mAh, so a minimum 10,000 milliamp hour battery pack should be good per day with this example.
@AllThingsOnePlace HyperJuice HJ265 65W is the same or clone of Minix/INVZI? Can you test and review some HyperJuice Chagers?
Yes, no doubt, clone. I have HyperJuice on my list but if they're clones its more like figuring out which one I already tested that is the same as it.
Anker just released 100w version of their powerline II series. It has PFC and seems better than Ugreen 100w chargers But can it take on Baseus 120w in efficiency and power quality? Let's find out.
Yep! We are going to find out.
@@AllThingsOnePlace looks like its an oem odm
The product page for the P3 says it's 25mm wide, but I don't think that's accurate because all of the other clones are listed as wider. Can you verify?
No, it isn't. The 66W versions (all the ones I have) are 31 mm wide, the 100W versions (all the ones I have) are 32 mm wide.
This is very interesting, I have had some issues with my minix charger when using it on a train in the UK. For some reason I can’t use my touch screen on my iPhone when using this charger via a train socket.
Also while charging my windows laptop and iPhone at the same time through any combination of ports it can’t seem to stabilise on my laptop it keeps turning the laptop screen on and off.
It is really handy for a portable charger and the swappable plates are golden for travelling abroad. It’s just the reliability and strange behaviour that is concerning.. I’d be interested to hear your thoughts on why it behaves this way
The touch screen is from a leakage current condition, the mains are leaking through the adapter. This always happens to some extent but sounds like you’ve got one that’s a bit hotter than others. I need to make a video on this. The issue of screen on and off is it failing to negotiate usb properly. There’s no way to really predict which products are going to work best with which adapter and how they mix. I have a hp laptop it won’t work on usb with anything except a Dell or hp official adapter but through a dock it’s fine being powered by anything usb c, or I use the barrel plug (blue tip) to usb c adapter cable.
Can you review the Insignia 100w USB C power adapter?
I can, it'll probably be a 2023 video. I could do a 100W adapter roundup actually, I have the monoprice ones (all of them), the new Amazon Basics one too. Do a retailer branded 100W power adapter special or something.
Very helpful info thanks. Can you please review the Evatronic 4-Port 65W gan charger. Model number ET-PC004.
Go watch the Kovol or the Ravpower videos. The Evatronic is another clone of those. So many brands. The manufacturer that makes these is not very creative with the model naming... Kovol is KV-PCx, Ravpower is RP-PCx, and Evatronic is ET-PCx. Teknet is TK-PCx. Also, not saying I won't check it out, I will, it'll just be awhile.
Thanks for testing this. I'm a bit disappointed that it wasn't better, but I didn't pay nearly as much either and for an additional plug for AU/NZ with my wiredix.
I don't understand why all these companies are seemingly cutting corners on something that people are likely to leave plugged in. At least I know not to leave it plugged in when not being used now. Thanks again for this.
Oh and if you're doing some more tiny power adapters, there's the RY-U33 models as well, they're quite cheap and I'm curious how bad they are.
There's a full teardown of the RY-U33 on a chinese site I can't link to.
I added it to the list and yes smaller adapters. I think the smaller adapters are very important but seem to be getting left behind by monsters that devices don't even take advantage of for the most part. Laptops and devices are getting more efficient (gamers aside) and power adapters are getting bigger.
@@AllThingsOnePlace part of it appears to be the push by xinese phone makers to charge from zero to full in 15 minutes, which means regular chargers won't cut it. I'm not sure when that is needed, but it's considered a good feature by most reviewers as well, despite the fact that most people change their devices over night.
The EU should deliver some kind of conclusion on their USB-C charging standard directive next week, which will be interesting, as it might include laptops as well.
So other than being power inefficient, what are the practical downsides of the underperformance?
The unit isn't getting that hot, so I doubt there's a chance for a fire. And it's not damaging the devices it is charging. So what's the problem other than the inefficiency?
It's really just that. The 66W is okay, the 100W I'd really stay away from though. These are extremely common chargers from many brands, heavily cloned.
@@AllThingsOnePlace I wouldn't say "cloned". As someone who works with Chinese factories, I can guarantee you that all these brands are contracting from the same factory, and none of them own the factory. Factories that turn out light consumer goods are usually owned by the factory owner, who usually doesn't have any of his own brands, he just OEMs from other companies.
The only difference between the branded products is the brand itself. And nearly all of them are fly by night, here today, gone tomorrow outfits. Many are owned by the same person even. It's a huge mess.
There's also a charger by Unitek which I believe is the exact same model with a different logo.
That does looks like another clone.
So is it a good travel charger because you don’t really pay for the electricity when you’re in like a hotel? It has the good form factor and spread of ports but $40 is like crazy to me.
Do you NOT pay for the electricity in a hotel? Actually, they are an industrial customer so they do pay for your bad power factor. Your room rate obviously includes electricity, water, the internet, etc. Anyway, yeah the 66W one is about average for a travel charger. The 100W is worse than others.
@AllthingsOnePlace Please could you consider doing a drop test? I've bought non-apple chargers in the past, and they were super nice to use. Lightweight. Nice range of output ports. But one teeny tiny drop, from a few inches, literally, and stopped working, after like 1-2 days usage. I would be very wary of buying non-apple chargers in the future. A drop test would go a long way to re-assuring me that these devices are not going to die from the slightest teeniest little micro-bump.
Ha, yeah, a minor drop I'd certainly expect these to survive. Some of these have been through a lot of drops. Any of the ones in my top picks have traveled pretty well, and I tend to be pretty hard on equipment in general. But yeah, maybe a quick mention and a low level drop test, something they should easily survive isn't a bad idea. Thanks!
One thing I really do not like about this charger in particular is the massive inrush current they draw when first plugged in. I had an issue using these on a in flight AC outlet because of it. That's one thing I believe you should add to your test suite, inrush current on the AC side. I switched to a 65w RAV power mini brick that doesn't do that. To test this I, unscientifically, used a 65w AC power bank; if it trips that device, it probably won't work on the airplanes AC outlet.
You mean you can't see the waveform and time plugging it in to exactly the zero crossing of the sine wave? (joke) I think they sacrificed a lot in these minix and invzi and about 40 other brands that sell this same adapter, to make it small. But yeah, planes have current limited outlets. I was able to use my 100W Anker prime adapter fine though, with some cable rigging to make it not fall out of the loose sockets on planes. It is inherent that many of these will have a high inrush current, some have reasonable filtering on the input side that will help a little bit, but mostly the bulk capacitors get charged by the mains in a single cycle. No room for a NTC or a relay/resistor.
is it safe for the battery of my device ?? I mean will it degrade its battery life or cause any other damage to battery / device ??? (using MINIX P1 for my MacBook Air M1 & Samsung z fold 4).
It is okay, meaning safe, for the plugged in device. The device will decide how much power to draw. These are fairly mass produced adapters under many different brands so the design is stable. It isn't the most efficient thing ever but it also isn't the worst.
@@AllThingsOnePlace by "not most efficient" means it will consume more power than required? Right? And by "stable design" means it will not show any fluctuation on DC side?? Right?? I wasn't able to understand that perfect sin wave thing in your video, so I was wondering if it will hurt my devices by any means??
There's a brand called "Mcdodo" and they have 100w (CH-8101) and 120w (CH-0771) chargers. Can you review them too? They seem promising.
Thanks. I have seen a few of their adapters suggested, and I have some of them. I haven't tested any yet though.
can you review the anker 736?
Yep. It’s on the way!
Can you please also test MINIX NEO P2 100W Turbo 4-Port GaN Wall Charger? As I believe P2 is better than both P1 and P3 model. Looking forward to hearing from you soon. Thanks for the great informative content.. 👍
Yeah, that doesn't look too bad. I will get that on the list.
So there are no "good" power adapters with 3 USB-C ports?
Haha, never say never. It does happen that all the ones I have have seen (a few percent of the current market) have been off for one reason or another.
I think I'm your 1000th sub! Loving these reviews so far. Could you add the Ceptics 65w Power Strip (ASIN: B08WPG8MMX) to your list of adapters to test?
Yep, 1000, only 99,000 to go to a button, hahaha. I'll add that one to the list.
How about testing usb c extension cables
I've only done one so far. I can certainly can get more of them done.
Thank you ^_^
Minix P1 vs Belkin 65W or Ikea 45W (all recently tested) :)?
MacBook Air M1 + Iphone Combo. Great video as always!
Good question. If you want to go a little faster the minix or the Belkin, if you don’t mind a little slower charging rate the IKEA is crazy value.
@@AllThingsOnePlace Thanks! I am slightly confused on the PQS rating. Highest PQS out of these is for Minix (82) which seems to have higher THD / ripple and seems less efficient, especially at idle, than Ikea 45W which is rated at 75 PQS. For general use Ikea seems superior despite lower PQS? I do agree Ikea is a killer value and my go to when it comes to recommending to others - it’s great value, safe, gets the job done, created by reputable company, I heavily lean towards using Ikea myself full time
@@AllThingsOnePlace I would appreciate your response - 82 PQS for Minix 66w and you considered it as a bad power adapter where for Belkin 65W, PQS 73 you referred to as a middle-class and IKEA is considered good at 75 PQS. I am a bit lost whether PQS rating is a good measure for comparing power adapters?
Please review those >200W GAN chargers.
Yeah, I think there’s going to be some big chargers on the market coming up. I have one 200W one to review so far. Nothing bigger yet!
@@AllThingsOnePlace sir can you review the ego exinno 240watts charger it would be best as this gan charger is the only one with watts indicator per port and has 4 navitas chip?
Please help me to check avei 130w
The AVEI 130w is an exact clone of the Wotobeus 130W, along with several other brands on AliExpress. I will look into some of these at some point but not for a while since it is an obvious clone (like minix and invzi and MANY others).
@@AllThingsOnePlace thank you for sharing info 😗🥰🥰
I made some calculations and it looks like it will consume around 0,165 kW per month in the idle mode. Which is a suuuper tiny fraction of a usual consumption of an average German 1-person household of more than 160 kW per month. Doesn't look like a big deal and decision making point, right? UPD: I mean there are not so many devices in a small form factor with multiple ports capable of charging a laptop a the price point below $50
That is correct but there are a few factors to consider on the AC side. Real watts aren't the only story because there is a frequency and phase interaction between voltage and current. The real energy (kWh) cost, of the higher idle consuming device, at the socket is as you stated. The high current, and high V*A, at idle means the REAL cost at the meter is going to be higher and much higher for a commercial location, that pays for power factor. It is still a small number but the point is everyone leaves power adapters plugged in all the time. If the whole country did this you'd need extra power plants operating to cover idle power consumption of a 0,24W device versus a 0,1W device. Also, most people have more than 1 plugged in. This, higher idle power consuming, adapter technically doesn't meet the EU 2019/1782 requirements either. So, numbers are tiny when you look at one device in one condition but the EU/DOE/AS/NRCAN standards are all in place to try to lower the power consumption even if only a few tenths of a watt. Of course idle is only a piece of the pie.
Minix's claim to fame is to it's Android media player boxes and Windows based mini-PCs. I have no idea why they got into the USB hub and charger market.
They're clones so they didn't make anything. It is a rebadge of someone else's product.