Always thankful to rewatch this patchbay tutorial!!! As he makes it easy to understand, Sweetwater has the Behringer PX 3000 patch bay right now for $59.00 !!!!
Even six years later his video is still brilliant, I am actually a couple of months away from graduating univeristy for music production and recording engineering we get taught how to use all the amazing equipment and gear, but not so much how to install them and set it all up so this is amazing thanks for this!
This is possibly the best video on the subject. It's actually a really simple concept, yet strangely enough extremely confusing and non-intuitive. You taking the time to slowly, carefully and demonstrating not with a diagram but actually holding the thing in your hand and using plugs to illustrate REALLY helps it 'click.' Thanks for that!
You cleared up some important questions I had about how to use my patch bay. I happen to have the Behringer 3000 so I could follow along easily. Thanks so much for a true clear explanation.
So good! Thanks a million for the explanation. We just purchased the PX 3000 for our live/rehearsal rack and I had a lot of questions. You answered them all. Thanks again!
Very helpful I'm about to buy the Behringer 3000. Your Video ensured me this patch would do what I want. Thanks for the hint to the importance of planning the cabling of my devices. Don't know yet if I will have a question. But in case I now know where to ask. Thanks for your great work Don't apologize for sound quality. I've got every word. So quality was sufficient for information transport Have a free and healthy hearted life
I picked up a PX-3000 about 3 weeks before I watched this video. Thank you. Picked up some additional insight in how to use the unit in my studio. I knew I needed one ;)
this guy is the best when it comes to these videos, he really takes the time to explain, what ever the discussion is for that particular hard or software....
I've been using a patchbay for some time now and i still learned something from your video,well explained and outlined,simple to understand.....Thanks Man.
Today, I finally got a patch bay. (Two of them actually, NYS-SPP-L1.) I don't know why I thought you would want to know that but this is a video that peaked my interest several years ago. Cheers!
Thanks so much - your video is an excellent help - most videos talk about the three different ways to patch gear, but you actually show examples of different patches, from the back and the front, AND good examples of which patches should be used for what gear...AWESOME!!!
You think that Behringer bays are pricey- I had looked at the pbay options a couple years ago, and some were 10-15-times the price of the Behringer options. I went Behringer and Flock Audio.
Thank you, man!!! I watched 3 or 4 different videos and they all assumed I too much!! Your video was straight forward and really helped me understand how to set up my patchbay properly. Cheers
Wow. Not to sound stupid. But you just educated me on something I didn't think of doing. With patch bay. Thank you and I'm supprise that never came across my feed. Thanks again and keep up the great knowledge you are sharing. 👍👍👍
Excellent video, thank you. I am still a bit confused about patch bays, being new to the subject. So, for example, a balanced patch bay TRS socket is letting me pass a stereo signal if the source is also TRS stereo (one TRS cable)? And next, if I have left and right channel coming into the patch bay, via two cables I would use A1 and A2 (or B1 and B2) sockets on the patch bay, no matter if my two cables are TRS or TS cables? Hope my question is clear enough, :) Thanks for your help!
Best practice is to use each patch point for single audio channel, ie mono or Left/Right, weather TS or TRS cables are used. There is no technical problem in using stereo (TRS) cables, but can get you into trouble when you mix different hardware devices and make a mistake in patching.
How difficult could it be to explain how a patchbay work by holding a patchbay and actually connect cables to different configurations and explain how the signal comes through?? Amongst all the youtube videos I clicked on regarding patchbays (it's a lot!), this is the only one I've found that actually explain to me how I could use a patchbay. Thanks for a great video, and congratulations for being (probably) the only one explaining how the rear and front sockets are connected to each other! :-)
Thanks for the feedback. Most times, the unit is installed and in an active working state, and it's a lot of work to disassemble for demonstration, so I do understand. I did mine when I was still setting my new purchase. A new and in further detail video on Patch-Bays coming soon.
Hi, this video is awesome in my humble point of view. It gave me a lot (of fun, understanding) and I hope you've been sponsored by Behringer. Why do I talk about awesomenes? Because your way of explaning is that much of unselfish - an outstanding example! Lightshining regards, Dirch
+Dirk Reimers Thanks for the great feedback. Much appreciated. I have no connection or any sponsorship by anyone, nor would I want one, as I like to freely give my personal opinion on a product with no ties. If the product is good, I say it is good, if it is crap, then it is crap. Normally I research before I purchase, so I don't have many crap gear :) Glad my videos are helpful.
Thanks Vatche, awesome information, I've had my FCA610 packed away for a few years, now i need it again but could not remember how the hell to use it, so these videos saved my day :) Also, there is another piece of important info missing from the quick start guide: when i purchased my FCA610 it was in fire wire mode and there was no instruction on how to change to USB mode, but i finally found out that you have to press and hold the digital select button down, then power up the unit until you get the blue light indicator showing. very frustrating, hope this helps others! PEACE :)
i got both px2000 and 3000. thinking about using px2000 for modular synths patching, unbalanced. can i use px3000 balanced for same purpose ? since px3000 is more common at used marked.
great presentations using clear language and live products/devices as props. Can you provide links to your patch bay set up eg the written schedule and annotated line drawing. Thanks PS: Recording Studio 9 is the first TH-cam channel I have subscribed to to learn about music production. Well done Sir, keep the good work going
Thanks for subscribing. as to the paper, I just got an image from google of the patch bay front panel, then added a table grid to match the number of inputs and outputs and filled them with the correct text.
great tutorial ...It was a big help for me in setting up my patchbay and understanding the functionality of my patchbay. thank you...On another note. ....What are those cables that you are using in the tutorial? the patch cables.
You are most welcome. They are called patch leads, and come in 2 different types and lengths. TR (unbalanced) or TRS (Balanced), 30cm, 60cm or 90cm, in various colour packs.
Thanks for the video. I would though have liked to hear more useful examples with like preamps or effects signal chain (do people really still use CD/Tape desk player anymore ?)
Thanks for the comment. I'll see if I can get the time to make 'part 2' with some examples from my rack setup. And yes, I have a CD deck, so when I compile client's project and burn a master CD, I normally play it back in my CD deck. I have 3 head Cassette deck too, with all types of NR and options, to allow me to convert tapes to CD for clients. Not just old classic lost music, but seminar talks, spoken notes etc. But, I suspect not many will have them anymore.
Thanks! Great tutorial!! Can the Behringer PX3000 Ultrapatch Pro take a stereo signal in each socket? So I could send my synth's out to the patchbay using a Y-connector?
Very informative and a great way to explain the function thanks but I have a question! I have been told that it is essential to avoid phantom power getting to 1/4" jacks but in your diagram you show an XLR to Patchbay connection. How can this be?
Though there is no issue with Phantom Power via your patch bay, I would do it on a once off basis. If your gear is a mixer with Mic inputs. Digital signals should be avoided. In my diagram, you can see my PreSonus Studio Channel Mic pre is using Line levels. The XLR connection to my UltraCurve you mention, is LINE level balanced signals. This rack gear is a digital EQ unit.
Hi. Thanks alot for this video. But I have a question please? My audio interface has 8input and 8 output. With a patchbay can I have access to more tracks? I mean with my soundcard I can only record 8 instruments at a go, but with a patchbay can I record more than 8 instruments at once? Can a patchbay work as an extension???
No, and I'm not sure you understood what a Patch Bay is. If your interface supports ADAT connection, then you can buy Behringer ADA8200 to add an extra 8 in and out. Might want to read and watch. th-cam.com/video/T78rsaUmEWk/w-d-xo.html
Very nice video, thanks for sharing! Something that I don't understand is how to connect the front inputs of your audio interface to the back of the patchbay. Did you even do it at all? If not, why? And talking about microphones, how would you proceed connecting them? Of course you can't connect them directly to the patchbay, so you need to do it to your audio interface or a different preamp, right? Doesn't it make a mess of wires on the desktop? Is there a better way to do it?
+Marco Longo Good questions, as you might have missed the process. 1) Every front panel socket has connection to the back socket. All my equipment, eg. Audio Interface, Pre-Amp, FX, have leads connecting them to the back of the Patch Bay. So yes, at the back, there are lots of wires running to and from the Patch Bay to my gear. I have around 36 6.5mm Jack leads at the back. But this allows me to have access to those 30 odd connections right on my desk. 2) Since the patch bay is TRS connection (balanced) I can certainly connect my Mic via XLR to 6.5 TRS lead to my pre-amp, if I needed to (my PreSonus Studio Channel Tube Mic Pre has both input and output connections on the Patch Bay). Most Audio Interfaces have at least 2 Mic-Pre channels at the front to make it easy. All Mic-Pre at the back, can have a balanced point on the Patch Bay. In my case, the two Mic-Pre on my Audio Interface support Insert option. What this means, I can connect the Mic to my Audio Interface Mic input, then the audio is routed to the Insert Out socket at the back of the unit. A wire connects this to back of my Patch Bay, routing the analogue audio out to my patch Bay. Then within my Patch Bay I can connect this output to the Input of my Tube Pre for Compression & EQ. The Output of the Tube Pre from my Patch Bay is sent back to the Insert Input of my Audio Interface, before it is A/D conversion and to my PC & DAW. With Patch Bay, I can re-direct the Mic audio signal to any other audio processing gear, eg. my Behringer MDX2600 for different FX, Gate+Comp+DeEaser etc. with the ease of simply patching the lead at the front of the Patch Bay. Expensive? Yes. Apart from the Patch Bay rack unit, you have lots of wires to purchase, plus the front short patch leads. Worth the money? Well, for me, the amount of time and affort saved, absolutely! Hope this is clear enough and explains the confusion.
+RecordingStudio9.com Thanks for your reply. 1) I know that, but I wonder why none of your audio interface inputs are connected to the patchbay. Let's say that you wanna reamp a guitar track or reprocess some drum tracks. You should go: AB1818 >> Patchbay >> Outboard >> Patchbay >> AB1818 Is that right? If not, what's the proper way to re-record processed audio from & to your DAW through hardware outboard? 2) This sounds similar to what I was pointing out on #1. So basically you do that kind of routing with "Insert In" and "Insert Out"? What if I need to route more than one channel at a time, like a keyboard or a drumset? Also, does that mean that you still always have to connect your mics to the front panel?
+Marco Longo I got your question now. 1) My main audio interface now is my Mackie Onyx Blackbird, so all but 2 connections are at the back of the unit. When I had my AB1818VSL, I did not feel the need to connect the inputs to the Patch Bay as they where right under the Patch Bay and easy to patch through, saving patch leads. But if my AB1818VSL was on my rack below my desk, then yes, they would have been patched. 2) It all depends on the Audio Interface available Insert options. AB1818VSL does not have any Insert sockets. Onyx Blackbird has 2 for the Mic-Pre, my Behringer FCA1616 has all 8 inputs come with Inserts, so they would be patched. The FCS1616 is great for live, as I can manage the audio for each channel with Compression/EQ before being recorded in my DAW. I have 3 Com/EQ gear, giving me 6 channels for Insert. It is all about laying out all your gear, drawing all the 'Normalized' connections and run them through the Patch Bay. If the Audio Interface or FX gear is next to the Patch Bay and they have their connections at the front, it just makes sense no to patch them. In my current setup with Onyx Blackbird A/I, everything is patched, except the 2 Mic-Pre, where I connect my Vocal or guitar Mics directly. My AB1818VSL & Behringer FCA1616 are for my mobile recording use and not even rack mounted. If you are recording drums with 5 to 8 Mics, and your A/I does not support Insert for each Mic-Pre input, then you cannot use the FX gear in analogue audio routing. Also, you will need multiple FX gear to Compress/EQ the 5 to 8 Mics used. I hope this was helpful. Please feel free to ask any further questions. happy to explain as much as I can.
Excellent Video thanks! Just got a PX3000 and trying to get my head around the best set up for my home studio. Did you make that template (where you planned your connections yourself, or is it available from Behringer? Nice work. Cheers!
Thanks for watching. The template is just a simple spreadsheet (google) with some columns and rows. Pause the video to see it. Lot of people use small stickers on the actual unit as well, to identify.
Awesome video! Two questions: 1.) Regarding Thru, I understand there is no "hardwired" connection between the top and bottom jacks, but in your spreadsheet @14:30 you showed your synths L and R both on one "column", ie A/B19 show for Korg L and R, A/B20 show for Korg Out L and R, and A/B21 show for Synth L and R. This would seem to imply that in Thru mode you can connect the 2 outputs (L&R) from a stereo synth into one "column". But then in your picture diagram around @15:45, you show the 2 outputs from the synth going into 2 different "columns", purple and orange-brown going into 19 & 20. Can you explain this further? 2.) When use Normal vs. Half-Normal vs. Thru - how plan? I recently got a 48 point patchbay and am trying to figure out how to set it up. I have an 8input/8output hybrid mixer/interface that goes right into my computer, a DBX compressor/limiter, a Lexicon effects rack, a drum machine, a groovebox/MIDI sequencer, a sampler/synth, 2 polysynths, 3 mono synths, and a few effects pedals. Most of those have at least stereo outs except the monos and some of the pedals, and a few of them have extra sub-outs, and the monos and one of the polys have external inputs as well. Up til now I've just been rewiring everything with each new setup to record, but that's a pain and people kept telling me get a patchbay. So I did, but now I have no clue what to do with it. :) Your video helped with a basic understanding, but you have a bunch of different pieces than I do, so it's not totally clear. Any help you can give is much appreciated!
Oh I forgot to say, Input 1 on my mixer/interface (a Keith McMillen K-mix) is dedicated to my microphone, since I don't have any dedicated external pre-amps. So really I only have 7 available inputs on the K-mix.
K-Mix, I think is a very functional and small footprint audio interface/mixer and control surface. Nice. In normal mode, all A connect to B, unless interrupted by a patch lead. In Thru mode, there is no connection between A & B. It simply brings the connections from a gear to the front of the patch bay. Set Patches 1 to 16 to Normal, 17 to 24 to Thru. You can connect all the K-Mix inputs 1 to 8 to B1 to B8. Then your most used synths to A1 to A8. You can use a TRS to XLR lead to connect your Mic to K-Mix input 1 by plugging to B1. This will disconnect A1. This will allow you to use the input 1 for any other setup, ie connect all 4 Synths stereo out at the same time. Connect K-Mix out 1 to 8 to A9 to A16. Speakers or other audio gear that have input can go to B9 to B16 respectively. Connect all Synth outputs to A17 to A24. This will bring all the outputs of the synths to A sockets. You can also connect any Synth inputs to respective B sockets. So if you need to connect Synth 4 output to input of Synth 5, then you patch from A of Synth 4 to the B of Synth 5, then the outputs A of Synth 5 to B3 and B4, disconnecting Synth 1's outputs from A3 & A3. Hope this helps.
As in my last comment, common synths can use two A 'columns' to 'normally' connect to two B inputs. Other Synths can use Thru mode and use only one 'column' A & B for output. But make sure you label them, as it is common practice to have A as output and B as input.
Hi, thanks for the fast response! I'm still sorta confused though. If I understand you correctly, you are saying A1-8 are Synth Outputs, B1-8 are Kmix Inputs, A9-16 are Kmix Outputs, B9-16 are other Inputs, A17-24 are more Synth Outputs, B17-24 are Synth Inputs? So I'm using A1-8 and A17-24 for Synth Outputs? And if 17-24 are set to Thru, would these only be for mono, or would I use 2 "columns" for a stereo synth? Is there any advantage to doing it this way instead of Normal? Also... where do my compressor, multieffects and effect pedals go? I could put their inputs on B9-B16, but then where do their outputs go? And lastly... what about Half-Normal? Would that give me anything in this setup?
You pretty much got it. But first, you need to write down all your gear in a list with inputs and outputs. All of them, then work out which gear have both in and out (eg. audio interface, EQ, Comp), and which ones are output only (synths, drum machine) and input only (eg, powered speakers). Then work out what is a 'normal' connection you do, without patch bay. Then sort them out on the patch bay in groups of 'Normalized' and 'Thru'. If you need more help, find me on Skype. Happy to help.
In top tier studios normaling the board to the bay seems to be the way to go but I find for home studio, thru or " isolated" mode gives you the full flexibility of the bay. Want to just put your mic into the pre into a light compression to tape? Isolated is the way to go. Imho
Each use and preference is different. Normalised setup eliminates patch leads under 'normal' setup and use. I have a new video coming up soon with more detail of Patch Bay setups.
Adam from Realhomerecording suggested this on his live chat. After searching the net. I found you. Thanks for the video. I'm still a bit confused but I'll re-watch your video a few more times.
Behringer Ultrapatch is balanced TRS , couldnt you use a L +R out of the synth into one stereo TRS using only 1 patch bay input ( Y stereo lead) ?? Cheers..😊
@RecordingStudio9com thanks for the reply , I also was told the splitting the TRS stereo into 2 Jack's on a balanced patch bay ,those 2 mono jacks are "balanced" and if you were to use just one as stereo, ie TRS this will work but it will be "UNBALANCED". thanks for the reply. ✌️🇦🇺 🪃
It’s good to know patch bay useful connection. More to study. In live sound using patch bay. Can you pls provide more connection for individual effect going FOH, crossover with separate subwoofer from full range speaker.
Very useful lesson! Thank you so much 😊.. does the patchbay cause any additional noise assuming that I’m using all balanced cables and connections (comparing to direct connection between gears) ? Thanks!
Hi Vatcha!, I see you have a direct out going into your studio channel, so your not using the MicPre at all or are you using it through different routing only??
90% of the time the Studio Channel is connected as an INSERT into my mixer or audio interface using the line in/out, unless I need the XLR input (you can't have both connected at the same time, line takes over the XLR input)
If you are using PX2000 the unbalanced patch bay, then you only need to use unbalanced patch leads. Using balanced patch leads will make no difference.
@@RecordingStudio9 Thanks for replying. Why is it that the unbalanced patchbay will allow balanced patch cables to patch unbalanced signals but won't be able to patch together balanced signals?
@@Jacob-ir6zi Because the sockets on the patch bay only have 2 connections and not 3. Search TS and TRS jack images on Google to help you understand. I assume you know the difference between balanced and unbalanced signals.
Nice video, thank you for making it a bit clearer for me. As I have a number of hardware synths, would I still need a mixer of some kind? I assume that you can't 'mix' patchpoints to one destination; I am thinking 2 synth signals combined to the stereo inputs of my interface (I hope you can understand that!)
Thanks for the comments. Unfortunately no. You can split a signal in "Normal" mode, but as soon as you plug a patch lead to bottom B socket, the A socket link to B is broken. You need a mixer to combine, not a patch bay.
+Jose Sanchez Thanks. I now have it setup for few months, and wonder how I did without it before! Since I'm always testing and trying our other gear, it makes it really easy to patch things into my system without unplugging gear. Once I'm done, just unplug from the patch and the system is back to my original setup.
@@RecordingStudio9 Sounds scary, being a novice not sure what kind of BOOM, will there be: it will cause a loop that goes loud and destroy the speakers? Or the sound card will be burned out? Would you mind being more descriptive, please? Thanks :)
Any time you connect the outputs of an audio device to its input, you can damage the device, as it creates a loop of the signal. Same as pointing a microphone to a speaker that can damage both the amplifier and the speakers.
@@RecordingStudio9 OMG, patch bays are somehow dangerous. Sockets must be precisely indicated not to commit any wrong connection. Actually nobody really speaks about wrong routing, in ten videos about patch bays I've heard only one person mentioning wrong patching problem. Anyway, thanks for your explanation. Cheers!
@@irorosun6990 If you plan and setup the patch bay as per recommendation, ie. all outputs at top row A and inputs at bottom row B, then you only need to remember to connect from top (A) to bottom (B) from any column to any column. So you are always connecting the output of one device to the input of another device.
+Nicholo Poriol This comparison has been delayed due to the fact that PreSonus has driver issues with AB1818VSL and it is causing some issues with me. Once resolved, I will do a comparison, maybe even with my new Mackie Onyx Blackbird Firewire Audio Interface.
+RecordingStudio9.com WOW! onyx blackbird! man, i want to be that guy of many gadgets like you :)) will be checking your channel from time to time for new vids. thanks! :)
Thanks for this. It really helped with a lot of questions. One that I'm still struggling with, is using external fx, and pedals. You said to ask any questions, so here goes... Is it still out and in from pedal, to patchbay, then patch to synth or whatever via the front? Would they need to be half normaled? Could I patch two or three fx into the same synth or sound module simultaneously? Thank you
Though a graphic presentation will be better explanation (I see if I can draw one), for your setup, just think of guitar pedal chain. Guitar plugs into the first pedal, then out to the next pedal and so on, using Normalized or Half-Normalized mode setting. In half-Normalized, it will allow you to patch an output of an FX pedal into 2 following FX pedals, one from the rear B connection and the other from the front using patch lead. This way, you can use the patch leads to change the order of the FX pedals, otherwise, no patch leads required. This also allows you to patch amy synth audio output to any FX pedal. Hope this helps.
Here is a visual layout of a live setup example. docs.google.com/presentation/d/1MeUgFulsE4bTGtJ3V866XfuB4AIWfh_BLlUjogjul-c/pub?start=false&loop=false&delayms=3000 The audio from the synth will go through each FX pedal before the Audio Interface. Using patch leads, you can change the order of the FX chain. Layout shows mono FX pedals, hence why I left 1 empty patch between for stereo. Hope this helps.
Here is a visual layout of a live setup example. docs.google.com/presentation/d/1MeUgFulsE4bTGtJ3V866XfuB4AIWfh_BLlUjogjul-c/pub?start=false&loop=false&delayms=3000 The audio from the synth will go through each FX pedal before the Audio Interface. Using patch leads, you can change the order of the FX chain. Layout shows mono FX pedals, hence why I left 1 empty patch between for stereo. Hope this helps.
The audio from 1:55 to 4:05 has high pitched noise. My apologies. The rest is clear.
Always thankful to rewatch this patchbay tutorial!!! As he makes it easy to understand,
Sweetwater has the Behringer PX 3000 patch bay right now for $59.00 !!!!
Even six years later his video is still brilliant, I am actually a couple of months away from graduating univeristy for music production and recording engineering we get taught how to use all the amazing equipment and gear, but not so much how to install them and set it all up so this is amazing thanks for this!
This is possibly the best video on the subject. It's actually a really simple concept, yet strangely enough extremely confusing and non-intuitive.
You taking the time to slowly, carefully and demonstrating not with a diagram but actually holding the thing in your hand and using plugs to illustrate REALLY helps it 'click.' Thanks for that!
I'm glad it was helpful. Thanks for watching. I do have few more on the subject on my channel.
You cleared up some important questions I had about how to use my patch bay. I happen to have the Behringer 3000 so I could follow along easily. Thanks so much for a true clear explanation.
You are welcome.
So good! Thanks a million for the explanation. We just purchased the PX 3000 for our live/rehearsal rack and I had a lot of questions. You answered them all. Thanks again!
Very helpful
I'm about to buy the Behringer 3000.
Your Video ensured me this patch would do what I want.
Thanks for the hint to the importance of planning the cabling of my devices.
Don't know yet if I will have a question.
But in case I now know where to ask.
Thanks for your great work
Don't apologize for sound quality.
I've got every word.
So quality was sufficient for information transport
Have a free and healthy hearted life
Thanks for the feedback.
I picked up a PX-3000 about 3 weeks before I watched this video. Thank you.
Picked up some additional insight in how to use the unit in my studio.
I knew I needed one ;)
this guy is the best when it comes to these videos, he really takes the time to explain, what ever the discussion is for that particular hard or software....
+Garnet Bey
Thanks for the great feedback.
I had a few eureka moments during the course of this video. Thanks for explaining things so clearly.
your tutorials are great because you get down to the basic and use examples that are relevant without nonsense. Great stuff! You're a teacher! Mahalo!
Mahalo. Good to know they were helpful
WOW!!! The best explanation I have heard as to how a Patchbay works! Thank you so much!!!
Thanks for a great feedback.
Thank you! Finally someone that actually shows and not just talk about how it works! Now I feel I can use my patchbay without dmaging anything
Thanks for the comment.
I've been using a patchbay for some time now and i still learned something from your video,well explained and outlined,simple to understand.....Thanks Man.
+Bobby Tolds
Your feedback is much appreciated. Thanks.
Today, I finally got a patch bay. (Two of them actually, NYS-SPP-L1.) I don't know why I thought you would want to know that but this is a video that peaked my interest several years ago. Cheers!
Thanks for sharing your purchase. 😉
@@RecordingStudio9 thanks for this video I like your delivery style. :)
hi had to service my one, i open in i can tell you they are made a tank. very well made and will last for years
Thanks, good to know :)
Thanks so much - your video is an excellent help - most videos talk about the three different ways to patch gear, but you actually show examples of different patches, from the back and the front, AND good examples of which patches should be used for what gear...AWESOME!!!
+Jim in Cornwall
Thanks for the feedback. Much appreciated it
I had no idea Jon turturro was into sound engineering. Good video man!
Hehehe, the one and the same!
Hahaha
Jon tutorial
You beat me to the punch, mate!
I, too, like the video for the two mentioned reasons!
Best explanation of normal -vs- thru that I've heard. Thanks!
You think that Behringer bays are pricey- I had looked at the pbay options a couple years ago, and some were 10-15-times the price of the Behringer options. I went Behringer and Flock Audio.
This was the most informative video on the subject there is. Truly excellent and will be referenced again........Many thanks.
Thanks. Glad it was helpful.
Thanks friend, I found it very valuable & comprehensive, keep up the good work !
Thank you this was really helpful. I watched through many patch bay videos and this was by far the clearest and most useful
Thank you for this. This is a great breakdown and easy to follow.
Thank you, man!!! I watched 3 or 4 different videos and they all assumed I too much!! Your video was straight forward and really helped me understand how to set up my patchbay properly. Cheers
+Tim Perry
Thanks Tim, you are most welcome.
The best tutorial that can be found online! Thanks mate.
Much appreciated.
Very clear, and very easy to understand. Great tutorial! I now fully understand how patchbays work. Thanks!
Thanks. I'm glad my video was helpful.
this is the best patchbay explaination on TH-cam!!!!!
+7000ironman thanks. A follow up video with samples coming soon.
your welcome. let us know!
Smashing little explanation. Thanks very much!
Great job! Thank-you so much for the clear explanation on the subject.
I have a PX2000 on the way; thank you so much for this video, you've helped me work out how to plan my studio setup properly!
just bought the px2000 until i realised it was unbalanced only?!?, px 3000 is balanced... ooff, just have both then...
damn, now I think I get it, probably need to see this video a few more times. The manual had me scratching my head
Wow. Not to sound stupid. But you just educated me on something I didn't think of doing. With patch bay. Thank you and I'm supprise that never came across my feed. Thanks again and keep up the great knowledge you are sharing. 👍👍👍
Very well explained in a comprehensive manner. Thank you!
Thanks for watching.
Excellent video, thank you. I am still a bit confused about patch bays, being new to the subject. So, for example, a balanced patch bay TRS socket is letting me pass a stereo signal if the source is also TRS stereo (one TRS cable)? And next, if I have left and right channel coming into the patch bay, via two cables I would use A1 and A2 (or B1 and B2) sockets on the patch bay, no matter if my two cables are TRS or TS cables? Hope my question is clear enough, :) Thanks for your help!
Best practice is to use each patch point for single audio channel, ie mono or Left/Right, weather TS or TRS cables are used.
There is no technical problem in using stereo (TRS) cables, but can get you into trouble when you mix different hardware devices and make a mistake in patching.
@@RecordingStudio9 That clarifies a lot! Thank you!
this is one of the best explanation I came across with in youtube. Finally I know how it works.
Thank you
Wow, thanks for the compliment. Glad it helped you.
How difficult could it be to explain how a patchbay work by holding a patchbay and actually connect cables to different configurations and explain how the signal comes through?? Amongst all the youtube videos I clicked on regarding patchbays (it's a lot!), this is the only one I've found that actually explain to me how I could use a patchbay. Thanks for a great video, and congratulations for being (probably) the only one explaining how the rear and front sockets are connected to each other! :-)
Thanks for the feedback. Most times, the unit is installed and in an active working state, and it's a lot of work to disassemble for demonstration, so I do understand. I did mine when I was still setting my new purchase. A new and in further detail video on Patch-Bays coming soon.
Hi,
this video is awesome in my humble point of view. It gave me a lot (of fun, understanding) and I hope you've been sponsored by Behringer. Why do I talk about awesomenes? Because your way of explaning is that much of unselfish - an outstanding example!
Lightshining regards, Dirch
+Dirk Reimers
Thanks for the great feedback. Much appreciated.
I have no connection or any sponsorship by anyone, nor would I want one, as I like to freely give my personal opinion on a product with no ties. If the product is good, I say it is good, if it is crap, then it is crap. Normally I research before I purchase, so I don't have many crap gear :)
Glad my videos are helpful.
great tutorial thanks. wish i had seen this many years ago!
Glad it was helpful!
Fantastic explanation, I have now bought a PX3000 now I understand it 👍
Excellent video, very informative 👍🏻
I've been looking for something like this. Great explanation of how patch bays work. Thanks for this brother!
Glad I was helpful
I've just bought the 3000. Please tell me what is the most useful patch cable length for the front of the unit?
I use 60cm and 1m length.
Thanks Vatche, awesome information, I've had my FCA610 packed away for a few years, now i need it again but could not remember how the hell to use it, so these videos saved my day :) Also, there is another piece of important info missing from the quick start guide: when i purchased my FCA610 it was in fire wire mode and there was no instruction on how to change to USB mode, but i finally found out that you have to press and hold the digital select button down, then power up the unit until you get the blue light indicator showing. very frustrating, hope this helps others! PEACE :)
Thanks. You might want to watch my FCA1616 video series th-cam.com/video/rkM8jqlcgRk/w-d-xo.html
Excellent explanation. Thank you for taking the time to make this video.
do you think is a good choice? the quality changes? or degrades?
Unless it's an old rusted unit, then no sound degradation should occur as there are no passive or active components, just switches.
Thanks for the ideas. This was very in-depth and insightful for me.
+Keinan Menard Glad I was able to help you.
You did a great job! Very good explanations - you're a very good teacher. Thank you very much for this tutorial. Thumbs up!
Thanks.
i got both px2000 and 3000. thinking about using px2000 for modular synths patching, unbalanced. can i use px3000 balanced for same purpose ? since px3000 is more common at used marked.
Yes, the px3000 will work fine for unbalanced cables.
Very nice - thank you for your time. Made it all clear.
great presentations using clear language and live products/devices as props. Can you provide links to your patch bay set up eg the written schedule and annotated line drawing. Thanks PS: Recording Studio 9 is the first TH-cam channel I have subscribed to to learn about music production. Well done Sir, keep the good work going
Thanks for subscribing. as to the paper, I just got an image from google of the patch bay front panel, then added a table grid to match the number of inputs and outputs and filled them with the correct text.
great tutorial ...It was a big help for me in setting up my patchbay and understanding the functionality of my patchbay. thank you...On another note. ....What are those cables that you are using in the tutorial? the patch cables.
You are most welcome.
They are called patch leads, and come in 2 different types and lengths. TR (unbalanced) or TRS (Balanced), 30cm, 60cm or 90cm, in various colour packs.
First thing that finally helped me out. Thank you so much for the thorough tutorial.
Vatche , always a Great Presentation . Can see the Sparkle of excitement with a New Gadget ;) Very informative. Thank You .
+Ar Tonal Thank you Ar, always happy to share my excitement with everyone.
Thanks for the video. I would though have liked to hear more useful examples with like preamps or effects signal chain (do people really still use CD/Tape desk player anymore ?)
Thanks for the comment. I'll see if I can get the time to make 'part 2' with some examples from my rack setup.
And yes, I have a CD deck, so when I compile client's project and burn a master CD, I normally play it back in my CD deck.
I have 3 head Cassette deck too, with all types of NR and options, to allow me to convert tapes to CD for clients. Not just old classic lost music, but seminar talks, spoken notes etc.
But, I suspect not many will have them anymore.
Please do a part 2. i am waiting for it. Thank you so much for sharing your knowledge.
Thanks! Great tutorial!! Can the Behringer PX3000 Ultrapatch Pro take a stereo signal in each socket? So I could send my synth's out to the patchbay using a Y-connector?
Yes, you can, since the PX3000 is balanced/stereo/TRS sockets through.
RecordingStudio9.com Thanx!!!
Very informative and a great way to explain the function thanks but I have a question! I have been told that it is essential to avoid phantom power getting to 1/4" jacks but in your diagram you show an XLR to Patchbay connection. How can this be?
Though there is no issue with Phantom Power via your patch bay, I would do it on a once off basis. If your gear is a mixer with Mic inputs. Digital signals should be avoided.
In my diagram, you can see my PreSonus Studio Channel Mic pre is using Line levels.
The XLR connection to my UltraCurve you mention, is LINE level balanced signals. This rack gear is a digital EQ unit.
3:16 “heavy” is usually a good sign (a sign of quality). GREAT video, thanks
Well... But I have had this unit for over 3 years and all my audio goes through it and use it regularly to patch, with no issues thus far.
Wow! This was awesome and informative.
Hi. Thanks alot for this video. But I have a question please?
My audio interface has 8input and 8 output.
With a patchbay can I have access to more tracks?
I mean with my soundcard I can only record 8 instruments at a go, but with a patchbay can I record more than 8 instruments at once?
Can a patchbay work as an extension???
No, and I'm not sure you understood what a Patch Bay is. If your interface supports ADAT connection, then you can buy Behringer ADA8200 to add an extra 8 in and out. Might want to read and watch. th-cam.com/video/T78rsaUmEWk/w-d-xo.html
Very nice video, thanks for sharing! Something that I don't understand is how to connect the front inputs of your audio interface to the back of the patchbay. Did you even do it at all? If not, why?
And talking about microphones, how would you proceed connecting them? Of course you can't connect them directly to the patchbay, so you need to do it to your audio interface or a different preamp, right? Doesn't it make a mess of wires on the desktop? Is there a better way to do it?
+Marco Longo
Good questions, as you might have missed the process.
1) Every front panel socket has connection to the back socket. All my equipment, eg. Audio Interface, Pre-Amp, FX, have leads connecting them to the back of the Patch Bay. So yes, at the back, there are lots of wires running to and from the Patch Bay to my gear. I have around 36 6.5mm Jack leads at the back. But this allows me to have access to those 30 odd connections right on my desk.
2) Since the patch bay is TRS connection (balanced) I can certainly connect my Mic via XLR to 6.5 TRS lead to my pre-amp, if I needed to (my PreSonus Studio Channel Tube Mic Pre has both input and output connections on the Patch Bay). Most Audio Interfaces have at least 2 Mic-Pre channels at the front to make it easy. All Mic-Pre at the back, can have a balanced point on the Patch Bay.
In my case, the two Mic-Pre on my Audio Interface support Insert option. What this means, I can connect the Mic to my Audio Interface Mic input, then the audio is routed to the Insert Out socket at the back of the unit. A wire connects this to back of my Patch Bay, routing the analogue audio out to my patch Bay. Then within my Patch Bay I can connect this output to the Input of my Tube Pre for Compression & EQ. The Output of the Tube Pre from my Patch Bay is sent back to the Insert Input of my Audio Interface, before it is A/D conversion and to my PC & DAW. With Patch Bay, I can re-direct the Mic audio signal to any other audio processing gear, eg. my Behringer MDX2600 for different FX, Gate+Comp+DeEaser etc. with the ease of simply patching the lead at the front of the Patch Bay.
Expensive? Yes. Apart from the Patch Bay rack unit, you have lots of wires to purchase, plus the front short patch leads.
Worth the money? Well, for me, the amount of time and affort saved, absolutely!
Hope this is clear enough and explains the confusion.
+RecordingStudio9.com Thanks for your reply.
1) I know that, but I wonder why none of your audio interface inputs are connected to the patchbay. Let's say that you wanna reamp a guitar track or reprocess some drum tracks. You should go:
AB1818 >> Patchbay >> Outboard >> Patchbay >> AB1818
Is that right? If not, what's the proper way to re-record processed audio from & to your DAW through hardware outboard?
2) This sounds similar to what I was pointing out on #1. So basically you do that kind of routing with "Insert In" and "Insert Out"? What if I need to route more than one channel at a time, like a keyboard or a drumset? Also, does that mean that you still always have to connect your mics to the front panel?
+Marco Longo
I got your question now.
1) My main audio interface now is my Mackie Onyx Blackbird, so all but 2 connections are at the back of the unit. When I had my AB1818VSL, I did not feel the need to connect the inputs to the Patch Bay as they where right under the Patch Bay and easy to patch through, saving patch leads. But if my AB1818VSL was on my rack below my desk, then yes, they would have been patched.
2) It all depends on the Audio Interface available Insert options. AB1818VSL does not have any Insert sockets. Onyx Blackbird has 2 for the Mic-Pre, my Behringer FCA1616 has all 8 inputs come with Inserts, so they would be patched. The FCS1616 is great for live, as I can manage the audio for each channel with Compression/EQ before being recorded in my DAW. I have 3 Com/EQ gear, giving me 6 channels for Insert.
It is all about laying out all your gear, drawing all the 'Normalized' connections and run them through the Patch Bay. If the Audio Interface or FX gear is next to the Patch Bay and they have their connections at the front, it just makes sense no to patch them.
In my current setup with Onyx Blackbird A/I, everything is patched, except the 2 Mic-Pre, where I connect my Vocal or guitar Mics directly.
My AB1818VSL & Behringer FCA1616 are for my mobile recording use and not even rack mounted.
If you are recording drums with 5 to 8 Mics, and your A/I does not support Insert for each Mic-Pre input, then you cannot use the FX gear in analogue audio routing. Also, you will need multiple FX gear to Compress/EQ the 5 to 8 Mics used.
I hope this was helpful. Please feel free to ask any further questions. happy to explain as much as I can.
+RecordingStudio9.com You've been very helpful. Thanks!
Excellent Video thanks! Just got a PX3000 and trying to get my head around the best set up for my home studio. Did you make that template (where you planned your connections yourself, or is it available from Behringer? Nice work. Cheers!
Thanks for watching. The template is just a simple spreadsheet (google) with some columns and rows. Pause the video to see it. Lot of people use small stickers on the actual unit as well, to identify.
Awesome video! Two questions:
1.) Regarding Thru, I understand there is no "hardwired" connection between the top and bottom jacks, but in your spreadsheet @14:30 you showed your synths L and R both on one "column", ie A/B19 show for Korg L and R, A/B20 show for Korg Out L and R, and A/B21 show for Synth L and R. This would seem to imply that in Thru mode you can connect the 2 outputs (L&R) from a stereo synth into one "column". But then in your picture diagram around @15:45, you show the 2 outputs from the synth going into 2 different "columns", purple and orange-brown going into 19 & 20. Can you explain this further?
2.) When use Normal vs. Half-Normal vs. Thru - how plan? I recently got a 48 point patchbay and am trying to figure out how to set it up. I have an 8input/8output hybrid mixer/interface that goes right into my computer, a DBX compressor/limiter, a Lexicon effects rack, a drum machine, a groovebox/MIDI sequencer, a sampler/synth, 2 polysynths, 3 mono synths, and a few effects pedals. Most of those have at least stereo outs except the monos and some of the pedals, and a few of them have extra sub-outs, and the monos and one of the polys have external inputs as well. Up til now I've just been rewiring everything with each new setup to record, but that's a pain and people kept telling me get a patchbay. So I did, but now I have no clue what to do with it. :) Your video helped with a basic understanding, but you have a bunch of different pieces than I do, so it's not totally clear. Any help you can give is much appreciated!
Oh I forgot to say, Input 1 on my mixer/interface (a Keith McMillen K-mix) is dedicated to my microphone, since I don't have any dedicated external pre-amps. So really I only have 7 available inputs on the K-mix.
K-Mix, I think is a very functional and small footprint audio interface/mixer and control surface. Nice.
In normal mode, all A connect to B, unless interrupted by a patch lead.
In Thru mode, there is no connection between A & B. It simply brings the connections from a gear to the front of the patch bay.
Set Patches 1 to 16 to Normal, 17 to 24 to Thru.
You can connect all the K-Mix inputs 1 to 8 to B1 to B8. Then your most used synths to A1 to A8.
You can use a TRS to XLR lead to connect your Mic to K-Mix input 1 by plugging to B1. This will disconnect A1. This will allow you to use the input 1 for any other setup, ie connect all 4 Synths stereo out at the same time.
Connect K-Mix out 1 to 8 to A9 to A16. Speakers or other audio gear that have input can go to B9 to B16 respectively.
Connect all Synth outputs to A17 to A24.
This will bring all the outputs of the synths to A sockets. You can also connect any Synth inputs to respective B sockets.
So if you need to connect Synth 4 output to input of Synth 5, then you patch from A of Synth 4 to the B of Synth 5, then the outputs A of Synth 5 to B3 and B4, disconnecting Synth 1's outputs from A3 & A3.
Hope this helps.
As in my last comment, common synths can use two A 'columns' to 'normally' connect to two B inputs. Other Synths can use Thru mode and use only one 'column' A & B for output. But make sure you label them, as it is common practice to have A as output and B as input.
Hi, thanks for the fast response! I'm still sorta confused though. If I understand you correctly, you are saying A1-8 are Synth Outputs, B1-8 are Kmix Inputs, A9-16 are Kmix Outputs, B9-16 are other Inputs, A17-24 are more Synth Outputs, B17-24 are Synth Inputs? So I'm using A1-8 and A17-24 for Synth Outputs? And if 17-24 are set to Thru, would these only be for mono, or would I use 2 "columns" for a stereo synth? Is there any advantage to doing it this way instead of Normal? Also... where do my compressor, multieffects and effect pedals go? I could put their inputs on B9-B16, but then where do their outputs go? And lastly... what about Half-Normal? Would that give me anything in this setup?
You pretty much got it. But first, you need to write down all your gear in a list with inputs and outputs. All of them, then work out which gear have both in and out (eg. audio interface, EQ, Comp), and which ones are output only (synths, drum machine) and input only (eg, powered speakers). Then work out what is a 'normal' connection you do, without patch bay. Then sort them out on the patch bay in groups of 'Normalized' and 'Thru'.
If you need more help, find me on Skype. Happy to help.
Very clear instructions. Thank You
great video !
im found px2000, i will rack it this week !
thanks for the explication !
Welcome.
In top tier studios normaling the board to the bay seems to be the way to go but I find for home studio, thru or " isolated" mode gives you the full flexibility of the bay. Want to just put your mic into the pre into a light compression to tape? Isolated is the way to go. Imho
Each use and preference is different. Normalised setup eliminates patch leads under 'normal' setup and use. I have a new video coming up soon with more detail of Patch Bay setups.
Thankyou! It is a long time since I used my PX3000 and this was an excellent refresher! great video! I have subscribed! good luck!
Thanks for the sub.
Adam from Realhomerecording suggested this on his live chat. After searching the net. I found you. Thanks for the video. I'm still a bit confused but I'll re-watch your video a few more times.
Tell me what you are planning to do and I'll see if I can help you better understand Patch Bays.
Another appreciated video! Thank you
Thanks for watching!
Behringer Ultrapatch is balanced TRS , couldnt you use a L +R out of the synth into one stereo TRS using only 1 patch bay input ( Y stereo lead) ??
Cheers..😊
Yes, it's possible but not recommended for general compatibility. As long as you mark them accordingly, it will work.
@RecordingStudio9com thanks for the reply , I also was told the splitting the TRS stereo into 2 Jack's on a balanced patch bay ,those 2 mono jacks are "balanced" and if you were to use just one as stereo, ie TRS this will work but it will be "UNBALANCED".
thanks for the reply.
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The best explanation around here! Good stuff!
Thanks for watching.
It’s good to know patch bay useful connection. More to study. In live sound using patch bay. Can you pls provide more connection for individual effect going FOH, crossover with separate subwoofer from full range speaker.
Very useful lesson! Thank you so much 😊.. does the patchbay cause any additional noise assuming that I’m using all balanced cables and connections (comparing to direct connection between gears) ? Thanks!
Thanks. I have not had any issues so far. But low quality and/or loose connections can cause issues.
Thank you Vatche was very clear and helpful
How has your patch bay held up threw the years ? Mine is getting scratchy on some inputs
Still using it today. No issues.
Hi Vatcha!, I see you have a direct out going into your studio channel, so your not using the MicPre at all or are you using it through different routing only??
90% of the time the Studio Channel is connected as an INSERT into my mixer or audio interface using the line in/out, unless I need the XLR input (you can't have both connected at the same time, line takes over the XLR input)
@@RecordingStudio9 Ohh ok, i use the mic pre alot and intrument in put on the front and i dont use it at all as an insert. Thanks For The Info..
Having the unit on my patch bay, allows me to use it with multiple options.
Hmmm, I don't know why TH-cam drew a line through part of my comment, but it is an excellent help.Thanks again.
+Jim in Cornwall
Maybe because I had a cold at the time and my voice not great, so TH-cam does not want to rate it "excellent" LOL!
Thank you for taking the time of making this video!
Very clear - thank you
Hi, so to be clear you're supposed to use a balanced patch cable when patching unbalanced lines on the PX2000 unbalanced patchbay?
If you are using PX2000 the unbalanced patch bay, then you only need to use unbalanced patch leads. Using balanced patch leads will make no difference.
@@RecordingStudio9 Thanks for replying. Why is it that the unbalanced patchbay will allow balanced patch cables to patch unbalanced signals but won't be able to patch together balanced signals?
@@Jacob-ir6zi Because the sockets on the patch bay only have 2 connections and not 3. Search TS and TRS jack images on Google to help you understand. I assume you know the difference between balanced and unbalanced signals.
Nice video, thank you for making it a bit clearer for me. As I have a number of hardware synths, would I still need a mixer of some kind? I assume that you can't 'mix' patchpoints to one destination; I am thinking 2 synth signals combined to the stereo inputs of my interface (I hope you can understand that!)
Thanks for the comments. Unfortunately no. You can split a signal in "Normal" mode, but as soon as you plug a patch lead to bottom B socket, the A socket link to B is broken.
You need a mixer to combine, not a patch bay.
Thank you! Great tutorial!
Hell yeah. I may need a patch bay.
I have a few other videos on the topic on my channel you might find them helpful.
you are awsome men,i love ur teaching...keep it up .....
+Jose Sanchez Thanks. I now have it setup for few months, and wonder how I did without it before! Since I'm always testing and trying our other gear, it makes it really easy to patch things into my system without unplugging gear. Once I'm done, just unplug from the patch and the system is back to my original setup.
Loved the clip tnx “can you share your blank patch sheet?”
Please !!!
docs.google.com/document/d/1Z29KyX1q0qVRZlBMlvO2pko_13-xxArtFOpcZMhOpSM/edit?usp=sharing
@@RecordingStudio9 thanks so much ..this will make at all a lot easier to manage and learn with .
the clearest so far
May I ask another question, is it possible to destroy audio gear by inadequate patching? Are there patching that can go totally wrong? Thank you
Yes, feeding an output of a device back to the same device's input. BOOM!
@@RecordingStudio9 Sounds scary, being a novice not sure what kind of BOOM, will there be: it will cause a loop that goes loud and destroy the speakers? Or the sound card will be burned out? Would you mind being more descriptive, please? Thanks :)
Any time you connect the outputs of an audio device to its input, you can damage the device, as it creates a loop of the signal. Same as pointing a microphone to a speaker that can damage both the amplifier and the speakers.
@@RecordingStudio9 OMG, patch bays are somehow dangerous. Sockets must be precisely indicated not to commit any wrong connection.
Actually nobody really speaks about wrong routing, in ten videos about patch bays I've heard only one person mentioning wrong patching problem.
Anyway, thanks for your explanation. Cheers!
@@irorosun6990 If you plan and setup the patch bay as per recommendation, ie. all outputs at top row A and inputs at bottom row B, then you only need to remember to connect from top (A) to bottom (B) from any column to any column. So you are always connecting the output of one device to the input of another device.
Nice explanation. I was just curious about what a patch bay is and this video did wonders. Auto subscribed. Nice content.
Thanks for subscribing
thank you, well explained !
Very good . Thanks !
Do you have a link to see your connections image?
Excellent, well explained video. Very helpful. Thank you!
So helpful. Thanks bud
more behringer products! :) great video! but still waiting for the comparison of the fca 1616 and presonus 1818 hahaha! (Y)
+Nicholo Poriol This comparison has been delayed due to the fact that PreSonus has driver issues with AB1818VSL and it is causing some issues with me. Once resolved, I will do a comparison, maybe even with my new Mackie Onyx Blackbird Firewire Audio Interface.
+RecordingStudio9.com WOW! onyx blackbird! man, i want to be that guy of many gadgets like you :)) will be checking your channel from time to time for new vids. thanks! :)
+Nicholo Poriol I love my gadgets, but they cost me an arm and a leg LOL!
Thanks for being part of my audience.
do you have a tutorial for setting up a small rack system like the one you have yourself?
Here are some
th-cam.com/video/a_iJphEicgs/w-d-xo.html
th-cam.com/video/VurgTvrJ6kI/w-d-xo.html
th-cam.com/video/JPUSDMdM7n0/w-d-xo.html
Thanx Vatchi !
Can I use a patch bay to create additional AUX SENDS. My mixer has 2. I would like to create 12 or more.
Just use splitter cables.
Thanks for this. It really helped with a lot of questions. One that I'm still struggling with, is using external fx, and pedals.
You said to ask any questions, so here goes...
Is it still out and in from pedal, to patchbay, then patch to synth or whatever via the front?
Would they need to be half normaled?
Could I patch two or three fx into the same synth or sound module simultaneously?
Thank you
Though a graphic presentation will be better explanation (I see if I can draw one), for your setup, just think of guitar pedal chain. Guitar plugs into the first pedal, then out to the next pedal and so on, using Normalized or Half-Normalized mode setting. In half-Normalized, it will allow you to patch an output of an FX pedal into 2 following FX pedals, one from the rear B connection and the other from the front using patch lead.
This way, you can use the patch leads to change the order of the FX pedals, otherwise, no patch leads required. This also allows you to patch amy synth audio output to any FX pedal.
Hope this helps.
Fantastic. I think that makes sense! I'll play around and I'm sure it will become obvious! Thanks again.
Here is a visual layout of a live setup example.
docs.google.com/presentation/d/1MeUgFulsE4bTGtJ3V866XfuB4AIWfh_BLlUjogjul-c/pub?start=false&loop=false&delayms=3000
The audio from the synth will go through each FX pedal before the Audio Interface. Using patch leads, you can change the order of the FX chain.
Layout shows mono FX pedals, hence why I left 1 empty patch between for stereo.
Hope this helps.
Here is a visual layout of a live setup example.
docs.google.com/presentation/d/1MeUgFulsE4bTGtJ3V866XfuB4AIWfh_BLlUjogjul-c/pub?start=false&loop=false&delayms=3000
The audio from the synth will go through each FX pedal before the Audio Interface. Using patch leads, you can change the order of the FX chain.
Layout shows mono FX pedals, hence why I left 1 empty patch between for stereo.
Hope this helps.
Wow! Thank you so much. This makes perfect sense to me now! Thankyou again!!
Well that makes for a much clearer picture!
Great video. Very useful indeed. Thank you.
Thanks for watching.