Linux Phone vs. De-Googled Android AOSP - Which is better for Privacy?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 4 เม.ย. 2020
- There are two options to get some privacy when using mobile phones. These are Linux Phones and AOSP (De-Googled) Phones. Which are better?
These two types of devices operate on different privacy principles and this video gets into how one type of device deals with data exclusion while the other approach deals with data disinformation.
Linux Phones can be Ubuntu Touch (Nexus 5, Oneplus One), Pinephone (Ubuntu Touch, Debian/Phosh, Nemo/Sailfish, etc.), Librem 5 (Phosh, Ubuntu Touch) and many new ones coming out soon.
AOSP (De-googled) include LineageOS with No GAPPS, /e/ Foundation. GrapheneOS, and my own BraxROM. These are all fine. They just use different devices. All have no Google on them and are built in a similar way.
Some of these are available on my store so check the link below.
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The hated one is up there also
@@Techie-ks9nh The hated one is no as Knowledge as this guy
@@snoopys14 This man is amazing so is the hatredone.
@@Techie-ks9nh He keeps recommending graphene OS which is absolutely stupid since that means he also recommends that you use a google phone and give google your money so they can develop better spying tools. He also completely ignores the possibility of the hardware itself collecting data and sending it to google.
Also not a fan of these sensationalist titles like: "THIS is the most private and secure phone on the planet - GrapheneOS review and how to install" Especially if it's a lie.
But overall I'm happy he's spreading awareness about privacy, even if it's a bit flawed.
I agree.
What kind of person makes a video like this and shares such information? Someone who cares about his fellow beings - his brothers and sisters.
Thank you kindly Rob. You have done us a great service!
thank you.
@@robbraxmantech No Thank you.
@@robbraxmantech what is your opinion on android OS Graphene that operates on pixel phones? Hope you do a video on this.
Thank YOU!
You have saved me soooo much time and struggle in learning, and for that I am eternally grateful.
@@robbraxmantech Thank you for protecting us from Gov criminal hackers idiots I hate em if you are a content creator spiritual person or any genuine person they are like agent Smith I appreciate this info...
to see an hear everybody colourful positive comments really shows how rare a true human being with good intention
Rob your content is awesome. I work in software security and have been interested in learning more about these subjects. Subscribed!
flip when started watching I thought this be over my head. but explanation is so clear. I feel more than confident to start bit by bit
You are doing a right job at this time where every one confuses to the people about technology they used not safe but ,you tell us positive and negative both side of technology and Also teach us how we secure at time
I just found your channel last night! Your vids are fantastic!
BEST CHANNEL on LBRY!! And Damn near the best here!!
Thanks for the time you have spent to get us this info! 73!
You perform a great service to the public. Thank you Rob.
We love you Rob. Thank you brother. I’m learning a lot from your videos.
I kind of thought that spying was going on but wasn't really sure. Now it's all been confirmed.. Good work for bringing up such vital information.
Again I have learned something new today, thank you.
Go Rob!
You really put out great videos!
Audio: 5*
Content: 5*
Presentation: 5*
Pacing: 5*
Keep up the excellent work!
Clearest explanation I've seen yet, thank you!
Man the audio on your video is beyond great its something out of the world. Nothing is intrusive. Great job, now to listen to what you are saying....
I slammed on it! Thanks Rob I will be using you for my next phone.
Thank you for every word spoken . You are refreshing.
I like his smile. I would love to hear from an older TH-cam like him. I am subscribed to this.
Incredible video, thanks, in depth and clear, well done, I subscribed
Bravo.excellent video...knowledge is power thank you so much,I will be buying one of you De Googled products.
Also I just read that you are a jazz pianist too! I love to play jazz standards and arrange them for quintets up to nonets : ) I have not been trained in tech privacy and security as you, but I am learning . I may be subscribing to your vpn soon. Thanks so much!
Outstanding as always. Thanks
Thank you for your reinforcing our beliefs. You earned a subscriber. Great work man. 👌👏.
I love your channel! Thanks for all you do for the privacy of the public!!
You are so welcome!
Outstanding information. Considering the crazy going on with big tech right now. Privacy is becoming paramount.
Great new channel find!
I love your works and your channel.
Thank you so much!
I Love the sound of this - being on Project Fi may negate doing either pOS - my "Red Hydrogen One" may also be an issue... be fun to see if I could make that work... much thanks for all you do!
Imagine if Google had to pay the price for sharing that movement and location data with an authoritarian regime and later had to face the people they had victimized.
Facing the people you victimize is something for the plebs, not the rich.
It's time for some laws to be passed that require them to disclose, get consent and then pay the user a premium for the use of their data or give them an option to opt out and still use the phone for a fee. Nobody should have this much power over people.
@@jackbits6397 Take all their power, decentralize all their services. Any single entity should not be trusted with such power if there's an alternative. And those decentralized alternatives already exist ( like all the stuff based on activitypub.rocks ). They kinda suck right now tbh, but they would get the job done from a technical standpoint and eventually get better over time with more users.
can't really face a business entity lol, they don't have one
@@jek__ the CEO is close enough. Everyone that made a conscious choice to harm the people should have to face those consequences, ALONE. No hiding behind the company logo.
Your videos are all great and an eye opener. Thanks a lot! You remind me of Gene Hackman in the movie "Enemy of the State". Go on with your good work!
Big props for channels like you.
This channel is very informative.
You don’t get alot of people talking about privacy and actually know what they talking about.
You have earned a subscriber. And most of all my respect as an IT guy.
Technology in this day and age are horror. And it’s about to get more wicked.
Hi Rob, new subscriber for you Sir, I just found you a day ago and already know a LOT More than found out about over a 5 year span so thank you. Looking at Motorola as my next phone.
I love your paranoia. I wish there were more such enthusiasts.
Great information. Thank you so much! 👍😊
Thanks for this video, very informative.
I moved over to LineageOS with no Gapps a while back now, what triggered this was one day when entering something in to my diary I decided not to as it was not something I particularly wanted Google to know about, I then realised what a ridiculous situation this is where my personal diary is shared with strangers against my will...
BTW-A vital feature in my opinion of any phone which is often overlooked is the ability to be able to back it up and quickly restore to a replacement phone if needed, this can easily be done with TWRP but usually seems impossible on a standard phone. Google will kindly offer to back up all your data but apart from the privacy issues I have found this not to work very well and also if any app you use is removed from the app store then you can not get it or your data back.
New sub. Thanks for the video.
I'm paaatiently waiting for Linux developers to come up with a proper mobile, well atually I'm gagging for them to produce one!
gagging whist being patient must be quite an achievement ;)
I have ubuntu on my old sony phone. Works well.
@@EnglishLaw Hey, how did you do it? I've got Kubuntu and Mint on my laptops, so Ubuntu on my mobile would be the dog's bollocks!
If you send some cash their way you'll probably lessen the waiting time.
@@EnglishLaw just ask my gf...
I've always wondered when trying to save battery life why they're so obsessed with "location" being turned on when I can just enter my zip code or city. It's understandable with google maps when getting directions but other than that it seems obsessive. I really have nothing to hide but it's a bit creepy how persistent they are with enabling location and what their plans might be for the future.
They plan machine learning, to predict where you will go on next Thursday evening on what do you buy with your grocery, what is your favourite treats and so on
Google sells your data to advertisers
how about language? These smart fools use your location to decide for you what language to present certain pages in , even though you may have already set a preferred language.
I ashamedly just leave it on, so Bluetooth can turn on and off automatically where I want it to. Leaving Bluetooth on even when not paired just triggers me for some reason.. 😁
They sell that information.
@@johnconstantine2639 android phones dont really turn off the GPS (after like 7.0), so the battery on vs off isnt any different.
Very interesting and very well explained! Thank you.
Spectators;
Rob had previously on another matter, replied to me personally, with specific directions. This man should have all our respect.
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Rob, your presence, as it is only in virtual moments for myself and others, is so amazing that you add longevity to what is good to our lives. THANK YOU!
Today I'm back to using old degoogled device!thanks for the tips!
Very very informative, thank you.
Great tips. Thanks 👍
Super zucking great video as always, keep em coming jack!
You are amazing!
please advise which latest lineage os and ubuntu touch are the best option?
Yes, absolutely true.
Thanks a lot. Very informative..
You got me on “slam on it”. Lmao! I had no choice but to subscribe. Great info and great video.
Thanks for the sub!
Thanks Rob for the great information!!
My question is does the Lunix phone run the Microsoft Office apps, or the de-googled phone?
Thanks in advance for your answer.
I'm an iOS developer and there's an important thing that people should know;
There are "developers" and there are "SUPER DEVELOPERS". Google is a super developer because they are not subject to the same Apple "approval" process that is required for the rest of us. Google can BYPASS the app approval process. HOWEVER, they are still subject to the same app requirements and when Google was caught violating the Apple app agreement, Apple SUSPENDED them. Also, if your iOS app is LEGIT, there is a "PERMISSIONS LIST" in the app code that requires myself (or any other coder) to WARN YOU when we are going to use a device on your phone such as the MIC or the CAMERA and we must add our own custom text that appears when you first run that app that asks for your permission to use these devices and explains how and when they will be accessed. If companies are violating this policy, then they're doing so either WITHOUT Apple's knowledge or WITH Apple's blessing.
Great video. Thank you.
I've still use a Blackberry Q10, great phone, lovely OS. Pity support is not discontinued.
You are the right man at the right time with this information. Thank you.
Thanks man!
Thank you for the great work.
How about the Nexus 6 for Linux?
Hey Rob ,I have my nexus 5 ,it's doing the job ,end my Huawei don't live home ,end no sim card
Good job
Hey Rob thanks for all this information! Amazing! Do the phones you sell work overseas or just in the us? Do you ship abroad? I'm in Australia
Yes it works everywhere including AU
Grateful to Elusive Truths for connecting me to your page. Looking forward to listening to your wisdom/information.
Thank you for your work.
I've been rooting, installing custom roms since the G1 and yet lately (last two phone) stopped b/c I lost interest.
Now, I'm seeing it's probably more important now than ever before.
However, while I was able to figure out how to get wifi working all those years ago on the G1 *(by wrapping drivers), I'm out of touch with current roms and where to find resources or trusted code bases.
I"m looking at your store, and am interested in the motorola's but again, out of touch with what's new vs what's important.
Ubuntu Touch is great, but a full Linux phone is awesome... With more control. A Pinephone or Librem 5 with a full desktop-grade distro can be controlled
Excellent video.
I'm starting to play with Linux as I want to move away from Android, I managed to root and install linageos on my old Sony z5 compact, very happy so far, still got a lot to learn
Update?
@@trevbarlow9719 gave up in the end. Wanted to eventually use Linux on a daily phone but couldn't find a suitable device. The only stable versions of any type of Linux are suited to phones with sub-par battery life
u r awesome, thank you
Again thanks for your continued efforts
So nice of you
Hey Rob, maybe I missed a video if you covered it but how do you feel about the Light Phone 2? It has no internet, apps, or even a camera. I'd really would appreciate it if I got your opinion on that phone. 👍
I love this kind of content! So relevant and important to know today. Just subbed, but I can't find the link to your store. Did it get removed?
Nvm, i think i found the link: rob.brax.me/ but it's not working for me.
brax.me/home/rob
@@robbraxmantech thanks but still not working for me. Tries to load but will never finish.
Hi, thank you for such a great video!
I actually have a Oneplus One with the latest LineageOS flashed (and no GApps), with Apps from APKPure store.
But i use it as a 2nd device (and not as phone), without SIMcard, mostly for safe authentication as Google Authenticator. It's a different approach, but a good solution.
I tried the Ubuntu Touch on my 1+1 before, but found it not very user friendly and not compatible with a lot of usual stuff.
Thank you
Yeah I am slowly being liberated by getting off all social media platform that lacks integrity and truth!! Definitely looking into getting another phone!
Don't be that afraid of using ubuntu touch. Yes, there are a lot of things not working, but as an used-to-linux- user you will get very much instead. More privacy root access via terminal and full transparency, the combination of desktop and mobile environments and some apps + the graphic are really good (;
Consider me subscribed! So a quick question: Is there any benefit installing an app such as FireFox from F-Droid instead of Google Play? In other words, is an apk from Google's store somehow altered compared to the same apk downloaded elsewhere?
I really only use a couple apps on my phone, and try to do as much as I can through the browser. To that end, if you can support more powerful phones/tablets that allow this kind of operation, I would gladly pay for that service- either in the form of a paid ROM/TWRP downloadable, or buying a device you've prepared. Currently, I am using a Huawei phone and tablet, and really love how well equipped they are. My ONLY gripe is their awful support as custom ROMS go. Frankly that's what brought me here today :)
Stay healthy and safe and thanks for your content.
I am playing with a Pixel 3 right now. Will try that. I haven't found a good tablet to de-Google
As an aside, I imagine you have some strong opinions about COVID-19.
Finally I found my mentor!
Welcome!
Watching this while waiting for my PinePhone to arrive to replace my old Samsung.
I just found out about it two days ago.... they are sold out now. I’m super disappointed. Lol if you don’t like it I’ll buy it off you😬
Great content! I love the flow. Any updates or advice for someone looking to purchase? The market is still pretty crazy tech/chip wise
I'm releasing my own phone model very shortly using AOSP. De-Googled.
OnePlus One is probably the best Ubuntu Touch device I have tested and used
Hey Rob, new sub here. You are speaking MY language - PRIVACY! It sounds like you have really been digging in to this for a while. GOOD FOR YOU! I am taking another route for absolute privacy, and that is by Running my OWN Phone switch in an old extra computer I have, and then connecting to it from various devices using VOIP. Since I run the switch and all my calls go from my Land Line, I think it is about as secure is it gets. Does this make sense to you? The Phone switch software is Open Source and I can call from computers, tablets, anything that run Linux! In fact, I only have laptops working right now while testing. The phones will be the next big addition. I do need a Data plan from my wireless carriers (T-Mobile and AT&T right now) but they are pretty cheap for as little data as I am using. I only use their data plan to get back to my switch. And they don't have anything to do with the phone calls at all. I like the idea of being my own phone company. I am using a little external data modem to give me TCP.IP on any little computer I want to hook up. At the very least I am learning a whole lot. I got this little box with the service which is small external 3G or 4G modem with service, and it is all I need to hook up any little linux test computers. It is fun and a learning experience, at the very least.
Cheers, Richard
P.S. I am slowly getting caught up on your videos based on needs and interest, not all in order.
It will be a while before I am caught up! Thanks for the GREAT Info you provide to all of us!
That sounds super interesting and cool!!!
I would like to learn more about your setup, as i to want to stop using Android and i have changed to linux mint a year ago. And i will never go back to windows after that, and i think why i didn't make the change earlier...
Take care mate!!
thanks for information
Any time
I would love to hear your thoughts on purism phones..
Thanks dope
Another fantastic vid!
What about being physically tracked in your car?
Thanks
Easy to do of course since someone can just stick a magnetic sensor on there. However, no one would waste their time on that now when they can just track your phone
Rob Braxman Tech i have a 2020 Toyota Highlander it downloads its one Toyota ETune updates, and has an onstar type safety feature. I’m assuming it is equipped with a cell device
We need an update on this topic!
Thanks
Good job
Hi Rob, Im about to make the switch to a linux phone.... Money is an issues with current shutdowns. Should I go pine phone or nexus with linux install? I don't use very many apps at all. Also, I will jump on to Braxme platform soon too. great stuff, I love it and we need it...
Nexus 5 will have a short life. Not working in the US anymore for many carriers. So Pinephone but it's not ready for primetime so you have to be patient
@@robbraxmantech Ok, Thank you.
Do you think sometime in 2021 pIne will be sufficient?
Sure would be nice to be able to get a rugged-phone runnin some of this stuff....maybe Blackview, Ulephone, or Doogee
Have you considered crdroid for the nexus 5? It's a rom based off lineageOS that is more actively maintained than both lineageOS for the nexus 5 as well as UBports. It is allows you to run android 10 on the nexus 5. It's also and official build, so it is less likely there will be old, buggy code as there likely is in older versions of android. It is also nice and customizable, so you can rice your phone just like you would rice your desktop OS.
I'm a huge fan of LG phones. Will the Nexus 5 run on AT&T with Ubuntu touch and does it have a mobile hotspot? I was surprised to find that my LG Stylo 2 did not.
You gotta love the irony of him being on TH-cam telling you Google spies on you when TH-cam... Is owned by Google 😂 I'm subbed!
I hope one day this will become a wide-spread movement!
Unfortunately no, I had a coversation on this with my coworkers not long ago when I tried to explain to them why i stick to linux on PC. People are generally disinterested in mass spying done by government and companies, keep in mind these are people who are 25yo at most who are tech literate. I am now looking int o degoogled options for phones simplybto try and revive some old hw but the privacy is nice too.
@@violetstew3825 well the number of people that cares about it is getting bigger so in the future i think this will be something that people care about
@@valletas I do hope you are right, but the number of people who are aware and don't care about it is legitimately concerning. Linux and bsd on pc make cumulatively up to 5-8% of the market on desk, that is if we count the other option as eather linux or bsd.
I learned about "phones with dip switches" on your channel, very cool! We have needed this option since the beginning, a wonderful development we finally got in 2020. Beside Ubuntu Touch or UB Ports do we have any non Ubuntu options for OS choice? Your Oneplus One video is great btw, super informative! :)
I have been playing around with Debian/Phosh on the Pinephone. This will be good for Linux development for me. Hopefully it gets perfected.
Thank you Rob for sharing your knowledge. I hope someday it won't be needed. Any thoughts on Huawei Mate 10 de-g-ling? Possible? Not? (I welcome the onslaught of comments about my choice of phones.) I'm trying to better myself. :-/
Only if you have the bootloader unlock code. Huawei stopped allowing bootloader unlocking.. But there might be a way with DC unlocker. If you manage to do that, go to openkirin and follow the instructions to install a rom without gapps
Hi Rob, does this stand still in 2023? Thank you for making content like this.
Really wanna know, do AOSP contains GAPS?
And also, please make a video on DeGoogled Android OS... some reference also might be helpful as searching 'Degoogled' keywords shows very precise information....... 😐
Almost all the linux desktop amd64/i386 CISC packages in the distribution repositories are compiled to ARM, can run on a linux mobile without any issues, but the GUIs of those software are not mobile/touch friendly eg:(GIMP, VLC, LibreOffice, Firefox, Chromium, Transmission ... etc). There are some mobile friendly softwares also(Nautilus, calculator, evence document reader, empathy, address book phonebook, calendar, clock alarm stopwatch, GNOME Control Centre & All other gnome softwares ... etc). finally you can run any linux server application on a linux mobile. eg:(Apache, Postfix, voip, VPNs, SSH, php, tomcat curl ... etc).
It's hard to find any reviews on practical apps for a Linux phone, probably because few people use them. I've watched several of your videos, but you don't go into much detail on the usability of apps on Linux phones. Do you have one that I missed, or a recommended web site that has that info? I'm primarily interested in texting, navigation, web browsing, weather, photos, kindle and music.
You're right. Few people use them and the functionality of all are just webapps. No Kindle. Music is Cloud Music (Free). Navigation is uNav. My App Brax.Me is on there
i just randomly found your channel through the bottom video section after i searched "top secure phones" figured you would like to know. Censorship is insane at the moment and im very suprised i found your channel with 15k instead of some 1m+ propped up channel. i subbed
its like a needle in a hay stack
Can you do a video on CalyxOS and MicroG (alternative to Google services)?
Is the Nexus 5x still a good choice?