Thank you for your opinion. Answer these questions and you will understand why any company decides when to release new products: What is the cost to design, develop, deploy, support and advertise a product. Where does that money come from? How many units are sold and from that how much revenue has been generated. Then how much of that is overhead for keeping a racing division at a company at Logitech open to continue to create new products? How much of it goes to cost recovery for the money you spent in the first place building the product? How much is remaining that then allows you to go through the entire design to release cycle for any follow on product? After that how much profit do you end up with to continue to make shareholders happy? Just saying "wouldn't it be cool to have more wheels or a gear stick" is the easy part.
Loving my G Pro. I spent years with a G29 so lack of extras don’t bother me. I was trying to get into Fanatec but they’re horrible so stayed with Logitech and glad I did.
After 3 dying wheels with fanatec, I gave up on them and waited for Logitech to make something. Have 2 of these for both my rigs, super happy with it. I don’t need different rims, I just want a shifter option.
Well, I disagree with you completely, pad mine now for about six months I’m racing almost every night and frankly it’s fantastic. I have no qualms at all with logitech and I highly recommend it. I think the pro wheel and true force in ACC is phenomenal.
Love my setup as well, pro wheel & pedals, playseat trophy, and using it on PS5 VR2. (Rumer has it we will get the pro shifter and handbrake this year which was the only negative I had about the product that it took so long to come out...)
It's a great wheel RE force feedback but they've bloody abandoned it. One of their community guys on Reddit kept dropping these hints when asked about other rims. Stuff like, 'stay tuned, you guys are gonna love what we have planned,' and 'lots of exciting things coming in the next few months.' Crickets. Liars.
"stay tuned, we are going to release some bad ass gear" - 2 years later, another logitech wheel emerged looking like more generic kids toy g25 wheel just in gt shape.
I hear your frustration but your kinda taking it out on an otherwise amazing wheel and base, one that competes with pc’s top dogs and does it for console. I agree we need and deserve an eco system but all things considered especially fanatics epic collapse and all time shitty customer service this product and support is stellar for consoles.
My guess is that they simply haven't sold enough Pro Racing Wheels to justify producing additional rims. It's a sign of an oversaturated market. I mean why else did TM kinda shoehorn in backward support on the 488 wheel? They have to because otherwise they wont hit large enough numbers. Moza is a big disrupter as well. They have taken such a large segment in such a short time. It's really amazing when you look on how many products they released in the last couple of years. I can imagine the old big players were not really prepared for that. It's going to be interesting how things will go but I wouldn't be surprised if TM and Logitech fall back to just offering sub 500$ entry level stuff and leaving the DD market.
Nice video and hope Logitech does take note. I really regret getting my base and wish I had just kept Moza R9. It's definitely a great product but given the lack of commitment and empty platitudes I would recommend buyers look elsewhere.
Why did you sell R9? Did you watch the positive reviews saying Logitech has best forcefeedback and believe that they would actually support the wheel? Logitech screwed over all customers. Some are more then happy to have no upgrades, no wheel, or accessories but others really want to build on the basic setup and can’t. Especially those on PlayStation.
Well, something I'm trying to find out is if this wheel suports Gran Turismo Sport on PS4... do you know if it does? I have some Lewis Hamilton DLC tracks to finish haha
Absolutely wish I had gone with a different base. Got this around release expecting some extra wheels and shifters and others to come soon with the amount of advertisements with McLaren and other advertising. I rarely play on my PlayStation with it so I don’t even need it to be compatible anymore. The lack of communication is just the cherry on top. I’ve tried to sell mine to buy a different wheel but no one wants a wheelbase that has absolutely no ecosystem whatsoever this far after release.
I have to agree and the main reason one can rightfully complain is because the price of this unit, after buying the pedals as well, puts it right in the middle of the big boys wheels. Put another way, if this DD wheel was say half it's price, then it would be a killer unit and no one could complain about the lack of add on/upgrades because its great for the price but still just a budget wheel. I reckon it's high price tag is so people will still buy the G920, G923 wheels and Logitech don't want to lose those potential buyers. So I'm saying, it's not high priced because Logitech want to take on the other players in the market, releasing extra wheels, shifters etc, it's high priced to leave room for its other wheels. Sounds about right to me.
The G Pro Wheel has been more of an Experimental run instead, the device is very faulty and some people's wheel base were bricked up due to the firmware and updating it wouldn't work as it was stuck in not connecting on the g hub as the wheel thrust level would be entirely red. I know many people have a broken faulty product while some have an ok wheel but it didn't last very long.
I am also very disappointed. with their deal with maclaren having a decent f1 wheel would have been excellent driven more sales and handbrake and shifter they would have been laughing. why? Im still holding onto mine in the hope this year they see sense.
Most critics of TF either haven't even tried a G Pro or had the settings too high. OoTB, the Trueforce is 100% ridiculously high, bordering on stoopid. I have mine at 15% or thereabouts, depending on the sim.
IMO it’s added noise which takes away from the FFB communicating important details to you. The G Pro has great FFB and feels on par with some of the more expensive wheelbases I’ve used. I don’t like washing it out with vibrations.
I can confirm that if you put the XBOX wheel on the Playstation base you can in fact use it on all consoles without having to put the PS wheel back on.
Totally agree with how poorly Logitec has handled this product. Just ordered a Fanatec wheel and base to replace this setup - not happy with lack of replacement wheel options…
I wouldn't categorize them the same by any means. The FFB of the Logitech is way better than the DD Pro even at 8 Nm. The CSL pedals are also about half as good. I do think Fanatec's ecosystem is so good that it's worth considering losing the higher FFB so you can have better steering wheels. Plus the pedals can be improved with 3d printed elastomers and add-on springs.
CS DD may be a better comparison. I'm curious what Full Force will bring, never tried the trueforce with Logitech. But I think if implemented correctly in sims can be a big deal. Biggest problem with Logitech is where's all the stuff? I'm too far into fanatec to really care though.
Fanatec's customer service and support is absolutely abysmal. Plus by the time you buy a comparable wheel and LC pedals and a quality disconnect you're right there with Logitech. Hope and pray you never have a warranty claim with Fanatec or need a part in the next year. Got my Logitech in two days free 2nd day air.
It is strange that more than a year has gone by and no additional wheels. It makes no sense to align with GT7 and offer any add-ons to cement the relationship. No other manufacturer locks you in to a dead end product.
I agree with you about the eco system being a disappointment, but you're playing in VR so don't really see how the wheel shape is important. My hands are locked to position. The wheel could be square for all I care as I can't see it.
It makes a difference in driving behavior. Formula wheels have buttons and encoders closer to your fingers so you don't have to lift as much to reach them. The grip is also different leading to more immersion. Logitech's encoders aren't even what I'd consider "thumb" encoders because of how far away from your thumbs in a natural grip they are.
Unfortunately I kind of figured that would be the case. That's one of the reasons I didn't buy into it. It's the same story with their G series wheels that have basically been exactly the same for 10+ years outside of a few gimmicks and updated brake pedal. Thrustmaster is having a similar annoying problem right now too. While there are many steering wheels that are "compatible" with the T818, the adapter you need has been out of stock basically since the beginning and I think that's a main reason the T818 hasn't been as popular as it really should be.
As time goes on the expensive route I went with sc2 pro and all that goes along with that makes me feel like I made the right choice for me. I know it’s not what everyone can afford to do though and not great compatibility for console games. Great review of this! Found the channel at Dan’s suggestion. 😊
One opinion, here is mine, buy this wheel ( G Pro) you won't be disappointed. Dollar to dollar, for performance, this is it. Trueforce is amazing and not using it is a waste. As far as ecosystem, yes, it would be nice to have new wheels and a shifter but what I have now for what this wheel does is perfect!
The Trueforce setting is dictated by GT7's Vibration setting - that's what's being enforced when you start the game. Set that to zero (or turn of vibration for P1) and it'll achieve what you want to.
@@BottomSplitPodium that definitely doesn’t track with known behaviour. I literally had two people last week saying that Trueforce wasn’t working at all and it was because they’d both turned the vibration function off, not realising that it affects Trueforce as well. I assume you’ve updated the firmware on the wheel?
They probably haven’t made enough revenue off the product to invest in making peripherals for it yet. So many competitors and such a niche market. It makes sense to me why they haven’t released any new peripherals. they’re not making enough revenue off the product. There’s no incentive for them to make peripherals for it like other companies that only specialize in this market. Logitech makes the majority of their revenue off of other products. They have room for R&D when the budget increases due to sales of this particular product. What they are doing is counterintuitive though. They are almost doing with this product what Sony did with the Vita.
Nice video. I'm really pleased with my wheel and pedals. When i first got them i had tf touque on wheel display but now after firmware update via pc this option not there. Does anyone else see this or know what i mean. thank you
I own the wheel pedals and adaptor have had them since last year when it launched PC PS version have no console ,so over a year if Logitech aint brought our at least an F1 wheel a year later and for Xmas then yer the future is looking grim i got the Logitec shifter after buying the adaptor for £35 new from Argos UK and yes it isnt great but it does work ok for H shifting along with the adaptor i am more than happy with the wheel and pedals in every way a year later but Logitech treat us like mushrooms ie leave us in the dark and feed us on BS. Not smart trying to attach the wheel while blinded by a VR Headset though lol. It's one of the best quick releases out there IMO but like you said has no other wheel to quick change a year later what joke.
Me ha gustado mucho el video,.este es un volante que me gusta pero realmente es muy preocupante su situación. Por otro lado me ha gustado que tengas unas palabras positivas del Thrusmaster T-gt 2, yo tengo un T-gt 1 y me parece un gran volante pero no si es mucho peor que un direct drive
I guess if you're still playing console racing. It probably does suck. But as an iRacer on the computer, it's really nice, but it's good for people to have opinions. You know, the good thing they're kind of like assholes, everyone has one.
Maybe you should have more patience about new ecosystem by Logitech, couse it's been just year, bro! You tell us about Thrustmaster eco - but wait a minute, they made it for the last 6-5 years! Just wait, wait...
What fall mate? Logitech are selling a model they didn't have 2 years ago ON TOP OF it's previous models still available on its web site. So, again where's the fall? Oh wait, it's click bait time. Got it. That is exactly how you DON'T grow your viewer base my friend. Cya.
I got mine a few month's after release used a few times and also abandoned it for my other brand wheels Im very dissapointed with there eco system im still waiting for new wheels and a decent shifter and handbrake im actually thinking of selling mine and i will never go back to logitech
I sold my G Pro after only six months. No ecosystem, the wheel is hard as a rock, very uncomfortable. Simply don't justify the high price. I ended up buying a CSL DD and I am much happier now as I get to use different wheels. The force feedback is almost the same and in my opinion the Trueforce was a erratic shit.
For me an ecosystem is irrelevant when using vr in my opinion. On the fence about the g pro. I have had my g29 for over 8 years if the pro has similar reliability then I'm sold.
They sponsor mclaren for crying out loud. Should have had an f1 rim ages ago.
Ironically, the McLaren sponsorship ended so now Lando doesn't even use their hardware.
Thank you for your opinion. Answer these questions and you will understand why any company decides when to release new products: What is the cost to design, develop, deploy, support and advertise a product. Where does that money come from? How many units are sold and from that how much revenue has been generated. Then how much of that is overhead for keeping a racing division at a company at Logitech open to continue to create new products? How much of it goes to cost recovery for the money you spent in the first place building the product? How much is remaining that then allows you to go through the entire design to release cycle for any follow on product? After that how much profit do you end up with to continue to make shareholders happy? Just saying "wouldn't it be cool to have more wheels or a gear stick" is the easy part.
Loving my G Pro. I spent years with a G29 so lack of extras don’t bother me. I was trying to get into Fanatec but they’re horrible so stayed with Logitech and glad I did.
😂 fanatec is so much better in every way
@@bs_shifty_4207 yeah love the Full force feature which doesn't even work and it's a rip off of TruForce anyway 😹
@@bs_shifty_4207 I've got both the DD Pro and Logitech. No way is the Fanatec better. In any way, bar ecosystem.
Except delivery, stock, responding to e-mails and customer service. Fanatec is very good at taking your money and sending you nothing,
After 3 dying wheels with fanatec, I gave up on them and waited for Logitech to make something. Have 2 of these for both my rigs, super happy with it. I don’t need different rims, I just want a shifter option.
Snatching defeat from the jaws of victory is a great line.
Honestly, I am surprised Logitech even made a direct drive wheel. I'm still using a Driving Force GT for iRacing
How freaking hard is it to at least release a sequential shifter, its a god damn rod with a couple microswitches.
Well, I disagree with you completely, pad mine now for about six months I’m racing almost every night and frankly it’s fantastic. I have no qualms at all with logitech and I highly recommend it. I think the pro wheel and true force in ACC is phenomenal.
Exactly. In ACC it is simply amazing.
Love my setup as well, pro wheel & pedals, playseat trophy, and using it on PS5 VR2. (Rumer has it we will get the pro shifter and handbrake this year which was the only negative I had about the product that it took so long to come out...)
It's a great wheel RE force feedback but they've bloody abandoned it. One of their community guys on Reddit kept dropping these hints when asked about other rims. Stuff like, 'stay tuned, you guys are gonna love what we have planned,' and 'lots of exciting things coming in the next few months.'
Crickets.
Liars.
"stay tuned, we are going to release some bad ass gear" - 2 years later, another logitech wheel emerged looking like more generic kids toy g25 wheel just in gt shape.
I hear your frustration but your kinda taking it out on an otherwise amazing wheel and base, one that competes with pc’s top dogs and does it for console. I agree we need and deserve an eco system but all things considered especially fanatics epic collapse and all time shitty customer service this product and support is stellar for consoles.
it’s so painful because I love the base. It’s imo the funnest wheel to drive on the ffb is amazing, and I actually love truforce on low settings
My guess is that they simply haven't sold enough Pro Racing Wheels to justify producing additional rims. It's a sign of an oversaturated market. I mean why else did TM kinda shoehorn in backward support on the 488 wheel? They have to because otherwise they wont hit large enough numbers.
Moza is a big disrupter as well. They have taken such a large segment in such a short time. It's really amazing when you look on how many products they released in the last couple of years. I can imagine the old big players were not really prepared for that.
It's going to be interesting how things will go but I wouldn't be surprised if TM and Logitech fall back to just offering sub 500$ entry level stuff and leaving the DD market.
Nice video and hope Logitech does take note. I really regret getting my base and wish I had just kept Moza R9. It's definitely a great product but given the lack of commitment and empty platitudes I would recommend buyers look elsewhere.
Why did you sell R9? Did you watch the positive reviews saying Logitech has best forcefeedback and believe that they would actually support the wheel? Logitech screwed over all customers. Some are more then happy to have no upgrades, no wheel, or accessories but others really want to build on the basic setup and can’t. Especially those on PlayStation.
Well, something I'm trying to find out is if this wheel suports Gran Turismo Sport on PS4... do you know if it does?
I have some Lewis Hamilton DLC tracks to finish haha
Absolutely wish I had gone with a different base. Got this around release expecting some extra wheels and shifters and others to come soon with the amount of advertisements with McLaren and other advertising. I rarely play on my PlayStation with it so I don’t even need it to be compatible anymore. The lack of communication is just the cherry on top. I’ve tried to sell mine to buy a different wheel but no one wants a wheelbase that has absolutely no ecosystem whatsoever this far after release.
Please give us a handbrake!!
I have to agree and the main reason one can rightfully complain is because the price of this unit, after buying the pedals as well, puts it right in the middle of the big boys wheels. Put another way, if this DD wheel was say half it's price, then it would be a killer unit and no one could complain about the lack of add on/upgrades because its great for the price but still just a budget wheel. I reckon it's high price tag is so people will still buy the G920, G923 wheels and Logitech don't want to lose those potential buyers. So I'm saying, it's not high priced because Logitech want to take on the other players in the market, releasing extra wheels, shifters etc, it's high priced to leave room for its other wheels. Sounds about right to me.
The G Pro Wheel has been more of an Experimental run instead, the device is very faulty and some people's wheel base were bricked up due to the firmware and updating it wouldn't work as it was stuck in not connecting on the g hub as the wheel thrust level would be entirely red. I know many people have a broken faulty product while some have an ok wheel but it didn't last very long.
I like your videos a lot, dont stop making sim racing videos :)
11:29 love it exactly like it is.
I am also very disappointed. with their deal with maclaren having a decent f1 wheel would have been excellent driven more sales and handbrake and shifter they would have been laughing. why? Im still holding onto mine in the hope this year they see sense.
How do you not like true force? Pretty much every review i've watched has used the term "Game changer" to describe it.
Most critics of TF either haven't even tried a G Pro or had the settings too high. OoTB, the Trueforce is 100% ridiculously high, bordering on stoopid. I have mine at 15% or thereabouts, depending on the sim.
IMO it’s added noise which takes away from the FFB communicating important details to you. The G Pro has great FFB and feels on par with some of the more expensive wheelbases I’ve used. I don’t like washing it out with vibrations.
There is a pro shifter now which can be used as a handbrake or shifter
I can confirm that if you put the XBOX wheel on the Playstation base you can in fact use it on all consoles without having to put the PS wheel back on.
Totally agree with how poorly Logitec has handled this product. Just ordered a Fanatec wheel and base to replace this setup - not happy with lack of replacement wheel options…
My biggest problem with the wheel is price. For what you pay for it, you can get the Fanatec CSL DD for half the price.
I wouldn't categorize them the same by any means. The FFB of the Logitech is way better than the DD Pro even at 8 Nm. The CSL pedals are also about half as good. I do think Fanatec's ecosystem is so good that it's worth considering losing the higher FFB so you can have better steering wheels. Plus the pedals can be improved with 3d printed elastomers and add-on springs.
CS DD may be a better comparison. I'm curious what Full Force will bring, never tried the trueforce with Logitech. But I think if implemented correctly in sims can be a big deal. Biggest problem with Logitech is where's all the stuff? I'm too far into fanatec to really care though.
Fanatec's customer service and support is absolutely abysmal. Plus by the time you buy a comparable wheel and LC pedals and a quality disconnect you're right there with Logitech. Hope and pray you never have a warranty claim with Fanatec or need a part in the next year. Got my Logitech in two days free 2nd day air.
It is strange that more than a year has gone by and no additional wheels. It makes no sense to align with GT7 and offer any add-ons to cement the relationship. No other manufacturer locks you in to a dead end product.
I just order one, the PC version work for PS5?
Unfortunately not. You need to buy the Ps5 specific version for Ps5. The good thing though is for PC, any of them work. (The Logitech Pro wheels)
I agree with you about the eco system being a disappointment, but you're playing in VR so don't really see how the wheel shape is important. My hands are locked to position. The wheel could be square for all I care as I can't see it.
It makes a difference in driving behavior. Formula wheels have buttons and encoders closer to your fingers so you don't have to lift as much to reach them. The grip is also different leading to more immersion. Logitech's encoders aren't even what I'd consider "thumb" encoders because of how far away from your thumbs in a natural grip they are.
Also can't buy the ps version anywhere but from logitech directly!
Unfortunately I kind of figured that would be the case. That's one of the reasons I didn't buy into it. It's the same story with their G series wheels that have basically been exactly the same for 10+ years outside of a few gimmicks and updated brake pedal. Thrustmaster is having a similar annoying problem right now too. While there are many steering wheels that are "compatible" with the T818, the adapter you need has been out of stock basically since the beginning and I think that's a main reason the T818 hasn't been as popular as it really should be.
Closer to 20 years now
As time goes on the expensive route I went with sc2 pro and all that goes along with that makes me feel like I made the right choice for me. I know it’s not what everyone can afford to do though and not great compatibility for console games. Great review of this! Found the channel at Dan’s suggestion. 😊
@@robertcarr4172ya I think I got my g27 in Dec 2009 and g25 had been around for a while. G27 held up well!
It's too bad. You're missing out!
One opinion, here is mine, buy this wheel ( G Pro) you won't be disappointed. Dollar to dollar, for performance, this is it. Trueforce is amazing and not using it is a waste. As far as ecosystem, yes, it would be nice to have new wheels and a shifter but what I have now for what this wheel does is perfect!
are those pedals plastic?
The Trueforce setting is dictated by GT7's Vibration setting - that's what's being enforced when you start the game. Set that to zero (or turn of vibration for P1) and it'll achieve what you want to.
Actually my vibration is completely off in game, and yet TF still resets to max when I start the game.
@@BottomSplitPodium that definitely doesn’t track with known behaviour. I literally had two people last week saying that Trueforce wasn’t working at all and it was because they’d both turned the vibration function off, not realising that it affects Trueforce as well. I assume you’ve updated the firmware on the wheel?
They probably haven’t made enough revenue off the product to invest in making peripherals for it yet. So many competitors and such a niche market. It makes sense to me why they haven’t released any new peripherals. they’re not making enough revenue off the product. There’s no incentive for them to make peripherals for it like other companies that only specialize in this market. Logitech makes the majority of their revenue off of other products. They have room for R&D when the budget increases due to sales of this particular product. What they are doing is counterintuitive though. They are almost doing with this product what Sony did with the Vita.
Nice video. I'm really pleased with my wheel and pedals. When i first got them i had tf touque on wheel display but now after firmware update via pc this option not there. Does anyone else see this or know what i mean. thank you
I pretty much agree with your cons but trueforce should be a con to that level of other stuff like missing ecosystems.....I for one love it
I own the wheel pedals and adaptor have had them since last year when it launched PC PS version have no console ,so over a year if Logitech aint brought our at least an F1 wheel a year later and for Xmas then yer the future is looking grim i got the Logitec shifter after buying the adaptor for £35 new from Argos UK and yes it isnt great but it does work ok for H shifting along with the adaptor i am more than happy with the wheel and pedals in every way a year later but Logitech treat us like mushrooms ie leave us in the dark and feed us on BS.
Not smart trying to attach the wheel while blinded by a VR Headset though lol.
It's one of the best quick releases out there IMO but like you said has no other wheel to quick change a year later what joke.
Me ha gustado mucho el video,.este es un volante que me gusta pero realmente es muy preocupante su situación.
Por otro lado me ha gustado que tengas unas palabras positivas del Thrusmaster T-gt 2, yo tengo un T-gt 1 y me parece un gran volante pero no si es mucho peor que un direct drive
I guess if you're still playing console racing. It probably does suck. But as an iRacer on the computer, it's really nice, but it's good for people to have opinions. You know, the good thing they're kind of like assholes, everyone has one.
Maybe you should have more patience about new ecosystem by Logitech, couse it's been just year, bro! You tell us about Thrustmaster eco - but wait a minute, they made it for the last 6-5 years!
Just wait, wait...
And the reliability is good?
Too early to tell. However there have been some reports of them dying, seems to be rare
@@BottomSplitPodium Completly? or just some parts?
Comes standard with a 2yr manufacturer warranty..
Can you use a fanatec shifter on it?
If it's USB connected yes, but not for consoles. A non Logitech shifter will only work on PC.
What fall mate? Logitech are selling a model they didn't have 2 years ago ON TOP OF it's previous models still available on its web site. So, again where's the fall? Oh wait, it's click bait time. Got it.
That is exactly how you DON'T grow your viewer base my friend. Cya.
I got mine a few month's after release used a few times and also abandoned it for my other brand wheels Im very dissapointed with there eco system im still waiting for new wheels and a decent shifter and handbrake im actually thinking of selling mine and i will never go back to logitech
Oh, husky!! 😍
I sold my G Pro after only six months. No ecosystem, the wheel is hard as a rock, very uncomfortable. Simply don't justify the high price. I ended up buying a CSL DD and I am much happier now as I get to use different wheels. The force feedback is almost the same and in my opinion the Trueforce was a erratic shit.
For me an ecosystem is irrelevant when using vr in my opinion. On the fence about the g pro. I have had my g29 for over 8 years if the pro has similar reliability then I'm sold.
We have the G pro and the G29, the only thing similar is the name Logitech. And hopefully the reliability will be there.