You can set it to automatically set your platform. I have set mine PlayStation version to PS5 so I don't have to select every time. You will find it at the bottom on the menu options
Came to leave a similar comment, it's at the bottom LED screen menu of the G-hub settings. I have my wheel set as PC mode permanently in the menu. You can also set the wheel to be read as G923 or Pro Wheel for compatibility reasons, it will require the wheel to restart when you do that. I did this once to play Dirt 2.0 and noticed the Force Feedback is not as great and relies more on Torque and Audio, I didn't enjoy the switch in modes. Audio force feedback is very unrealistic for G923 mode, in my opinion.
People love to hate plastic. There's a perception that plastic = cheap, always and there's no exception. But there are so many grades and types of plastic. Plastic can be great and can feel really nice while maintaining a low weight. Like you said, the motor and plate are steel, and the steering wheel is aluminum (I assume) wrapped in a very fine grain leather. The shell is plastic, but it's a premium plastic; it's not cheap. In my personal opinion the plastic shell is way more attractive than the industrial, bare heatsink look of other brands. It looks like an actual product, while even Fanatec still looks like they are made in someone's garage. Made very well by a skilled craftsman, but in his garage with his lathe and powertools. The look was a significant reason I wanted it. I tried not to consider looks for my purchasing decision (I only play in VR, anyway), but I just couldn't want another one and I know it's because the Logitech looked good.
I almost feel like the price point is a bit of a "flex" on Logitech part. If they went the 5nm route then they would sell more but then the elitists would be like "it's just another low end Logitech product" At this price range it's actually more expensive than Fanatec so nobody can mistake this wheel for being mid--range. Hopefully they can get that price down.
@@TrevorJones1 after I had the fanetech software crash and cost me a win in iRacing due to the wheel just stop working and I went hard right in game and crashed out 2 cars at daytona and ended up under investigation I stopped using them as never had that issue on Logitech or Thrustmaster wheels I had used before
The stitching where your thumbs sit does soften up nicely over time, mine was also quite rough to begin with but I love this feel of it now. I had Fanatec DD2 with porsche alcantara rim before this and hated it all, buggy software thin wheel rim way too hard feel to it. Would pick the logitech again and again, price was around £1250 with pedals, free shipping no import tax - price is very similar to anything else out there really imo.
Hello, is this still true 11 months later? I'm really torn between this and other brands but you are right, by the time you factor in shipping and import its about the same, but with more torque
The noise seems to me that you are experiencing a ground loop or a defective unit. It should only be utilizing LFE and so if you're hearing higher frequencies then you're either experiencing audio sample rate conflicts or it's a ground loop and you would need to experiment with how you plug your devices into power in order to isolate the cause and eliminate the electrical noise introduced to the audio path.
TF proper setup and implantation in-game is very important. I wonder what Wil from Boosted Media had as settings. I'd be interested on the feedback from him if Karl inquired.
Very nice review .I'm still in my first week with mine and just getting to grips with the perfect setting and love it .The quality and feel of everything is on another level .For a Thrustmaster user like me it's a bit like getting off an old Honda and jumping on a BMW shaft drive .
After using my G Pro for a few weeks now, I think the TrueForce is very much dependent on how the game implements it. In GT7 it seems like it can reach much lower range of vibrations, similar to the buttckicker in the TGT2. But in DR2 it's WAY too high pitched and loud. It would be great if more games had granular controls of Trueforce feedback. Whereas in WRC Generations I hardly noticed any Trueforce, even though it says it's supported.
@@KarlGosling I was given this as a gift and about to buy a rig to upgrade from the playseat challenge. They claim the trueforce works well with the playseat trophy seat, I.e sending that through the chassis. Do you think that would work well or is trueforce still likely to be flawed?
@@Manny478 PS5 chip is in the wheel base, Xbox chips are in the rim, so if you want to future proof, you should get the PS5 package, then when Logitech releases new rims, get one that is Xbox specific, and it will work on Xbox. If you buy the Xbox base, it will never work with PlayStation.
I knew we were both thinking the same when you talked about the 2 fingers on the shaft stuff xD I've just started watching the video but from my previous experiences on your channel I don't even need to watch the entire video to know you did a brilliant job. You helped me quite a lot with all the stuff about sim racing recently and I just wanted to say thank you. Definitely my go to youtuber for anything sim racing related.
I really like the trueforce on this wheel. But I can see Karl is used to a much more expensive setup than me. I won’t be getting 6 transducers or anything like that.
Great review. Don't necessarily agree with you that Trueforce is terrible but I appreciate that you've given your reasons for why you think the way you do which is more than some other reviewers do. I've put hundreds of hours in with this wheel already, mainly on gt7 and it's absolutely renewed my love for the driving experience in the game
Thanks Mike, we're all allowed different opinions of course :) But apparently GT7 is one of the only titles where it works well and typically I don't have that to test! lol But with DR2.0 and ACC for example it's horrible and of course the principle of trying to get one motor to do so many different things at once is still valid.
@@KarlGoslinghi Karl. Great review, very honest. I've just set mine up for GT7, and Logitech's website suggests turning the in-game vibration setting down to 35 (out of 100). I think you are right; GT7 implements it far better than other games. Wil did an extensive test (as you mentioned) and did not mention the TF issues. I'd be interested to know what settings he ran, and if he was using GT7 (I don't think he was). Agreed, it sounded awful. Mine doesn't sound like that. Go figure 😮
@@supercededmanI currently have a g29 (just got into sim) and playing GT7. Can you share your settings? I’d like to upgrade to the pro and curious what settings you use.
Great review as usual, Karl. Applause to Logitech for finally getting into the DD market, but at $1000 I would have expected a glowing review of a "must have" piece of kit. But what we have is a luke warm review of a better than the old stuff wheel base coupled to a totally mundane wheel rim. I can't see spending that kind of money for this, so I wont. Thanks for all you do for the sim racers out here by giving no holds barred, honest reviews.
@@P1tr_ yeah that’s what I was wondering. That’s a real problem if its true. What would be a better alternative in the same price bracket and with the same quality/nm then?
Loved the review, thanks for posting. I was looking for some info on this wheel since it's damn near impossible to get a Fanatec right now, and this is the only other DD wheelbase compatible with PlayStation. I'm a little disappointed by all the commenters implying that since you didn't like the wheel, that means anyone who did was being paid for their review. Is it really that impossible to think different people like different things?
I have this wheel on the shortlist along with the GT DD 8nm. Based on what I know it doesn’t seem to be much pricier because the GT wheel seems to be low quality and quick to wear out. Also the pedals aren’t great so with CS v3 pedals and upgraded wheel from Fanatec you get into the same price range.
Thanks for the review, RE Trueforce FB, or whatevers its called, because its fully software and algorithm based they can (and i assume they do this already), is that they would turn that section down when the motor needs to work on the traditional FFB things. I dont believe this would be a constant/linear application throughout the experience because as you quite rightly say it will not only detract from the physical experience, but also software wise it would take out the poling bit rates of what the rest of the road surfaces are doing. TLDR I don't think the weighting of this feature is actually linear or on/off style, it will ramp down or have lower priority when the wheel is needed for actual FFB. If that is not true, im sure they will correct it in future updates.
I’d be getting a short cable to stay plugged into that micro-usb. I wouldn’t want to be messing up the port, by taking that cache in and out. The stitching is wonky to encourage you to buy another wheel, once they release them.
Great review, I liked the way you compared the TrueForce effects to using transducers. The reason I considered this wheel was that other reviewers say the FFB is exceptional and the added TrueForce (something other wheel bases dont have) is really great paired together. But as you mentioned with TrueForce vibrations aren't realistically going through the wheel and should be coming through the chassis/tires (like mounted transducers), do you think I could get the same or better audio vibration experience using mounted transducers and SimHub?
Thats the thing about UDP data from sims is that its kind of harsh and hard to layer from a single vibration source. It really is like audio engineering and trying to fit a bunch of frequencies all into one skinny strip of sandwiched chaos. What would be remarkable is if the Logitech Trueforce software could somehow take raw UDP data and compress it into a well balanced comprehensive “mix” that accentuates (but not overpowers) the force feedback -which is itself an algorithm tailored to have a wheel transmit the road feel in a convoluted way that makes up for not having a motion rig. So the two philosophies, one being that a wheel should do as much as it can to compensate for bot being reality and the other that it should be flat 1 : 1 wheel force like in early ACC and the buttkicker should do the rest exist. Or like how FFB mods have the grip loss effect heightened; All different but converging FFB philosophies. That could have been a cool concept if Logitec could pull something like that off with Trueforce. UDP and Simhub needs to get better too and give us more detailed and nuanced accessible control because the whole system is archaic and raw but is the heart of all the new technologies in sim racing hardware. We should be able to edit the textures and the frequencies themselves kind of like how DAWs let you do so much more with frequencies including effects and even mixing and mastering.
You are the first one that said honestly how the trueforce feels... Even on boosted media they praised the wheel for trueforce implementation. And I was honestly sceptical... I am glad Logitech entered the DD market but I am going with Fanatec gt dd pro and add some transducers on my rig for the same price as this one with new "PRO" pedals.
before you do do you need to test compatibility with driving games like need for speed or f1 2015 and earlier (maybe even 16/17/18) if you do the fanatec's dont work with them 90% of my driving games dont work
I'm honestly confused about the difference in reporting of TF implementation between BOOSTED MEDIA and Karl. Both are very honest and extremely thorough. Both have built a reputation of integrity and total independence.
Thanks for the honest reviews, apparently a lot of TH-camrs do not work ethically any more because I have seen a lot of them recommending this wheel and other bad wheels and say they are great! I think they are too afraid not to piss big companies off, which is really bad for the normal users because we get manipulated, and we end up buying poor quality stuff.
I'm sure there's definitely some of that going on mate, I've upset manufacturers with my reviews and so they don't send me things any more... So I just buy them in instead, no bother is it! :)
Problem with this statement is that your saying that this wheel is bad, and I assure you it is not. It's actually really top notch. I feel alot of people have some kind of grudge against Logitech or something..
To be fair, the noises coming from the true force in DR2 are reminiscent of actual noises in some rally cars that I've been in, lmao. And some of them do rattle/vibrate that badly. It's great fun.
Hey Karl u seem to be a expert in the scene what would be the cheapest budget sim rig u would recommend I’m not looking to do sim racing properly or professionally just for a Logitech g923 and to play games like NFS and Forza that sort of stuff u know so what would be a rig u would suggest for someone just looking for a budget rig.
I'd look at the ART from GT Omega mate, perfect for a starter rig and to use with a G923, there's a discounted link in the description if you want a few quid off too!
I wish reviewers would be more carful about info on products. I based my last wheel purchase for Xbox on a review that said this was PC only. In the end it is on me but still irritating! Thank you Karl , nice review with no punches pulled.
Very interested in this and the pedals as a DD upgrade (had my G29 for about 3/4 months now) and am feeling justified in spending a little more now I know I love sim racing. Not sure if spending this much at this time would be warranted however, so still considering the Moza R5 bundle. Tough choices ahead.
We've driven heaps of these wheels none of them feel like a race car real. A vibrator to feel a car through your spine says it all. Old thrustmaster feels as good as all of them to us.
One thing I wished the base wheel has a round bottom, it has everything you would need, its a decent size and its logitech they might not have the glamour name but they always seem to last forever
Thanks for the honest review, Karl. Spot on mate. One thing i'd say is Logitech's website says in stock ready to ship.... Ordered mine 5 days ago and am still waiting for it to ship! I'd probably have cancelled and gone fanatec, but they say it can take up to 30 days to get my money back (as i paid via paypal) and Fanatec seems to always be sold out. So i guess i'll just hang on another week until they ship it.
Alternatively, it could be a good idea to search for the used market. You can find good deals. I bought a set of Clubsport V3 pedals with all the upgrades for 250€
@@pedrosilvaproductions Cheers for the suggestion. I would like to have warranty though, A lot of money for something to break and be stuck with it. I could live with 2nd hand pedals, but the motor is what i'd be concerned about. Cheers.
Excellent video. I enjoy the single take review style and deliberate pacing. Quick question: is a wheel like this too powerful and/or heavy for a moveable cockpit like a Next Level Racing GT LITE. I hesitate to upgrade to a high end wheel as I dont want to spend so much and have the whole thing too unstable on a portable cockpit.
I use the CSL DD with the boost kit on my GT Lite and it's perfect! You wmcan run it at full strength just gotta make sure it's solid when you're set up
Sorry Karl, can you say that all again. I was busy watching the cat 😸 despite the plastic, I'm tempted by one of these as my next wheel (and first DD). I've been having problems with Fanatec and remember fondly how bullet proof my old Logitech was.
lol She is a distraction! :) Aside from plastic not looking premium the overall quality is top notch so I wouldn't hesitate if you don't mind the price and styling mate :)
Hey Doc, I've been testing one of these since release and aside from the aesthetic (which is purely subjective) I've been blown away how good it is. I've used a fair few DD wheels over the years and in terms of pure performance the G Pro is right up there. It's shockingly good for the price. Yes there's a fair bit of plastic, and some of the design decisions are questionable but the money saved in styling obviously went into the internals. I'd rather have it that way round than pay for something that looks good but has mediocre performance. Logitech deserve some credit for what they have made here. Trueforce is a nice bonus but not supported by many games - i actually don't mind it, but definitely not for everyone and that's fine. It's just an added feature and you can turn it off.
Fantastic in depth review. In my mind this logitech system is like a honda, unspiring looks but you know it will always work and get you home, or in this case, get you onto podium.
Great video Karl. Does the Trueforce enable you to feel the gearshifts in Gran Turismo 7 like you do on the control pad. The DD Pro is missing this area of detail whereas the T-GT 2 had this (in addition to some annoying force feedback similar to the Trueforce). Would be good to know how this wheel compares directly to the DD Pro thanks
Great vid Karl I’m thinking of upgrading my G29 to a G pro only thing is the base on my race sim .. is base mounting screws on the G pro same as the g29 so it’s no issues ? Thanks
When you consider that it's 11nm and console compatible, what would you say a fair price is for this? I see a ton of complaints about the price, but when you price any thing else that's 10+nm, you're usually paying equal to, or more, and you don't get the console compatibility in most cases.
@@KarlGosling The DD1 is normally $1800 or $1200 for just the base. After adding the wheel you’re at $1400+. I just don’t get the price criticism when it’s actually priced right where it should be when you consider the features. Everyone likes to shit on Fanatec, but suddenly it’s a better buy than a Logitech just coz it’s a Logitech? I don’t get that.
Another thorough review cheers 👍🏼 Gone down the Fanatec route myself, but looking forward to hearing your thoughts on the new Thrustmaster DD when you get your hands on one. Keep it up mate : )
Did they bring back the horn button in the middle?? Like the old one . I cheated on my set up . I put my peddles on an hafe door and mounted speakers to the door so you can feal it the peddles and 400w 12 subwoofer under the seat lol
I also got sore thumbs after my first few sessions with G923. The stitches were quite stiff, with some pointy thread ends on them. But after a few sessions, with some hand grease and some help with vaseline, the threads become softer, and it becomes OKAY for bare hands. Don't know if the same applies to this wheel.
Welcome back to the grind mate 👍 fair play to Logitech but I just tune in my R9 with the help of sim racing garage and tell ya what mate, feels brilliant. Take it easy bud 🍻
Great informative video Karl. The main issue with this is the price. I cannot see how someone will want to pay £999.00 for this especially as the load cell pedals are another £399.00. My Fanatec setup which is 8MM DD pro wheel base, McLaren GT3 wheel and CSL pedals with load cell plus the shipping and VAT (customs import charge) was just under £1000.00. Yes they have stock issues hence why I ordered a non Fanatec bundle item, but it’s really a better deal and in my option far superior. I just feel if someone is going to want to pay £1000.00 just for a direct wheel and base then surely they will do their research and realise there are other options out there. And if the selling point is because it’s 11MM base then in all honestly that is too much. I run my 8NM DD pro around 6-7 and that is more than enough.
I got pedals for £262.49, wheel was £999 - shipping from Fanatec and import was over £200 when I ordered early this year which makes the logitech a cheaper option, plus its more NM's and more buttons on the wheel! Every ad i see about this new logitech wheel is comments on how it is too expensive but it really isn't
prices must have come down, since I've just bought Logitech Pro wheel (ps5) and Pro pedals for £1100. (I saw the wheel selling at £800, ie £199 under previous price, which means pedals are selling for £300, also well under £399)...
I'm biting the bullet today since I could get everything for 999€ here. Where previously it sat at 1400€. That's with shipping and taxes inc. Without the pedals I think the price is dumb. With the pedals, my options were the moza r9 or fanatec dd, which would be more expensive for less performance (with loaded cell pedals). Im aware of the trueforce problems, but Im not buying for that.
Thank you for another great review. It looks like you had the base mounted to a GT Omega Titan cockpit. Did the cockpit feel solid, any flex? I am thinking about upgrading my Thrustmaster TS-XW to the Logitech or a 8 Nm Fanatec wheel since I am using ACC and F1 22 on Xbox. I really don't see going the PC route anytime soon and the Logitech seems to be a good choice for the Xbox (and future PC compatibility). Thanks.
Regarding Truforce - imagine if the wheelbase had an audio output with the Truforce signal. The games that support it properly, it’s actually physics based. This would mean physics-based bass shakers on a console! One can only dream…
Karl, I never have an issue with my DD1 quick release lol. I just place my foot on an anchor and am careful tugging it off. Sounds dirty, but that's it lol
Awesome, Karl finally got around to reviewing the G Pro! ::looks at video length:: O_O;; ::pages secretary:: "Sarah? Cancel the rest of my appointments for today, thank you."
hello from France Karl! Always so cool to watch your reviews! a guy who attracts sympathy. Reviews that answer the questions asked by " Mister everyone" ( Monsieur tout-le-monde). The cat is very cool too. Good job! Sorry for my English.
@Karl - The package I am considering currently is a GT DD Pro Wheelbase (8nm) + CSL loadcell pedals + Clubsport RS Wheel which comes up to roughly the same amount as the Logitech G Pro wheel + pedals. Given I am based in India and will be getting these from the US, my key priority is reliability as I won't be able to do a return/replacement. Which one would you recommend as a safer option from reliability perspective (Fanatec may have some issues called out on forums but the product has been around and well tested; Logitech has good reliability in general but this product is relatively new)? Any guidance will be quite helpful
So I'm having to replace my G29 for the PS5 as it finally gave out. I mostly play GT7 on it, would you recommend the Logitech G Pro or the Thrustmaster T-GT II strictly for that? I have a TS-PC Racer for my PC racing
@@KarlGosling There should be an option within the wheelbase itself. Under platform you should be able to select PC, Xbox, or On startup. If "on startup" is selected, it will prompt you every time you turn it on.
I'm not a fan of D-shaped wheels in real cars or in simulation games too because of the annoyance when turning to grab the wheel when doing hand-over-hand.
Karl, given that you seem to be a DR2.0 fan (aren’t we all?), I would love to hear your take about WRC Generations. I comparison review would be awesome!
Cracking video matey! This is the route I'll be going on my PS5, all the kids have moved out and I've laid claim to the small spare room lol. Any more info on the tactile transducers Karl, they sound quite interesting O.0 Subscribed too btw :D
What happens for example in GT7 if I set the max torque to 5/10 and on the wheel I set it to say 5 nm? Does this mean the effective max torque would be 2.5 nm?
Pricing - just wanted to say I think the price is actually very justified. Most reviews are saying the force feedback is very good. For comparison, Fanatec's DD1 is 1,200 Euro without a wheel (so add at least 300 to get a metal connector wheel) and their bundle of CSL DD with plastic connected WRC wheel (mine is wobbly and can't cope with my belt drive force) is 700 Euro. So this sits closer to the CSl in price but closer to the DD1 in quality.... All open to debate of course and everyone will have different needs and budgets. And you could go Moza.... Hopefully, Logitech will offer other wheels soon, including cheaper ones, and the base on its own. Then we could use our existing wheels with an aftermarket adaptor. The Trueforce info is really useful to know. It seems it's not worth getting for that. I assume you can turn it off if you don't like it.
Could not agree more Doc. I see so many people saying this is overpriced. It's absolutely not. Yes, it's more expensive compared to an basic entry level DD wheel - which seems to be everyone's point of reference for some reason - but that's not a fair comparison as the G Pro is good enough to compete with most mid level offerings and comes in cheaper to boot. Yes, there are cheaper DD wheels out there but they are not as good.
Quality finish is so important when spending over $1000 on sim gear. Moza gets a free pass by most reviewers, i tried one and just felt all over inferior to mu fanatec clubsport equipment in terms if finish and overall quality
It's interesting because Fanatec equipment is very hit of miss qualitatively. I've broken one QR (the metal upgraded one, not the plastic one) and one Fanatec shifter, but my Clubsport V3 pedals are bomb proof.
Moza quality is very poor in my experience. Fanatec does seem to have hit and miss reports, all my gear has been fine (nothing actually broken) but my shifter does suffer with what I think is static build up and have to be discharged every year or so, it's taken a proper beating in DR and DR2.0 though and still going strong years on!
@@KarlGosling i have had issues with two of my wheels, to which fanatec took care in a very satisfying manner. The v2.5 is a workhorse and the v3pedals are just a tank. Based in my experience with fanatec and trying out the R9 with GS wheel (which i returned the very next day) im getting the podium now while on sale. DD is definitely the way to go over belt driven, just not Moza for me
I wonder when he will find the claw damage to his seat back? Lol got to love Cats to endure their nature to claw things lol I hope it is hard plastic and not Leather or Vinyl and did NO damage.
I'm now on my second wheel and base from Logitech. The customer service is awful and they really don't seem to care that they are sending out faulty products. The wheel will not calibrate itself properly and always sits just to the left. Logitech agree that this is wrong. After an hour or so the wheel will continually twitch, in race and on loading screens. When first turning on, all settings will be automatically maxed out and you have to change profiles to get it to change. Not an issue, until you have to continually restart due to the constant twitching. I've got all the test videos from myself and emails from Logitech. If enough people want to see them then I will upload it as a video.
Thank you for the review. Logitech is amazing when it comes to build quality and also with the software, so I am sure it is an amazing wheel. But yeah... it is not only ugly as heck... it just does not signal "Premium" and make me want to pay €1099. If it was €799 it would be in the mail...
@@mikaelbackstrom I mean yeah... It's great that you can buy it separate but wheel should be 700e and pedals perhaps 300e... So that the whole bundle is 1000e. But like this they are selling them as separate entities and will confuse the heck out of a lot of shoppers when they see new logitech wheel box to just be hit with a shock "1000e for JUST a wheel?!"...
Looking for a ps5 wheel and pedal set the thing I don't understand is why would you buy this for 2 grand AUD over the fanatec Podium F1 set for $2300 and have the option of getting different wheels overtime tonise for different games and styles of racing? FANATEC seems like a no brainer to me what do you guys think?
Low and behold, a proper unbiased non affiliated review. Thank you oh so much mate. Too many "fair and unbiased" reviews out there from folk who get the kit "given" to them by the makers. Liking your in depth tour of the G Pro so far Karl. You sorta look like a bloke who likes nothing better than a pissup and a fight but your intelligence and knowledge of the subject come through loud and clear for me. Just paused the video to comment on your opinion on Pro's looks. I quite like the shape. It reminds me of the Martians in the original 1953 War of the Worlds movie or even the main robot in Wall-E. Also I must say I don't like the Fanatec/Moza style bases. They look too much like something I just pulled out of a Ford Escort engine bay. For the price I would want some pretty bits bolted on and thank you Logitech for doing just that. As for trueforce I'll know what oyu mean when I buy this model but that won't be for a little under a year.
You're not the first person to describe me like that! lol I do like a beer but never really been a fighter unless I've needed to. Yeah the looks are very much personal taste.
It all makes sense really, in the end no influencer twat is going to mention anything bad if its going to hit them in the pocket especially something like this where it has a very large target audience of people who don't know any better. I mean just look at all the idiots fawning over trueforce, im literally saying to myself are we experiencing the same thing, nope.. people love the engine rpm n64 rumble pack gimmick. I pulled the trigger and made the purchase and regret it , should have valued karls unbiased opinion more and gone asetek forte or simicube2 wheelbase.
@@Loudlevin Well, I also pulled the trigger. Did it separately and missed out on a big AU$384 discount and a pair of racing gloves. Damn! Pedals yet to arrive but I've got the adapter so I'm using the G923 pedals at the moment. It's a step up from the G923 I have. As for game support for Trueforce; there aren't many just 2 on the PS5. More on the PC, 10 I think. Still, not enough to conquer the DD world. People are saying it's brilliant though . . . on the Pro but everyone knows it's $hit on the G923. Not a problem for me, I didn't buy it for that. I bought it for Logitechs known quality and service. When a McLaren wheel, shifter and handbrake come out in October you might think better of it Loudlevin. Don't shoot the goose yet mate.
Sorry maybe I wasn't clear, it's not a static sound, that is the engine rpm! I think it's the frequency they have chosen, the other effects don't sound like it.
To be fair your comments on steering wheel feel are very much dependant on the car. A Lotus Elise/Exige for eg you feel everything to the point that running over aggressive saw tooth curbs is uncomfortable for your hands. A van, like my Volvo, I'm not surprised you feel nothing.
I love your videos. And I have to add, I had the best to tears laughing fit when your cat started using your racing seat as a claw pole…He’s busy now, let me have at it…😂
Depends on the vehicle Karl, whether Kerbs and the like are felt through the wheel, maybe not so much in a van, but in a Kart or any single seater you feel the kerbs through the wheel and seat, as the saying goes "drive by the seat of your pants" - as always Karl. Good vid mate
I track an MX-5 MK2 and I can tell you right now, you feel plenty of the road through the wheel. I don't mean feeling the wheel correct itself on a kerb either.
You can set it to automatically set your platform. I have set mine PlayStation version to PS5 so I don't have to select every time. You will find it at the bottom on the menu options
In the options on the wheel? I didn't look in there, cheers!
Came to leave a similar comment, it's at the bottom LED screen menu of the G-hub settings. I have my wheel set as PC mode permanently in the menu. You can also set the wheel to be read as G923 or Pro Wheel for compatibility reasons, it will require the wheel to restart when you do that. I did this once to play Dirt 2.0 and noticed the Force Feedback is not as great and relies more on Torque and Audio, I didn't enjoy the switch in modes. Audio force feedback is very unrealistic for G923 mode, in my opinion.
Didn't know this!!! Great tip, I didn't spot this before, going to give it a go later! :D
Just remember to change it to PC when checking for firmware updates as I sat there for 30mins trying to work out why it wasn't showing up in the hub 😂
@@Powerpoint4 Wish I had of read this first
And the cat clawing away on your race seat in the background pmsl 🤣
😂😂😂
I thought it was going to bring down the whole display. That would have been hilarious.
that gave me flashbacks. my cat ruined my old seat..
That was pain to watch
At least the cat only clawed once and was laughing when the claw got stuck 😂
People love to hate plastic. There's a perception that plastic = cheap, always and there's no exception. But there are so many grades and types of plastic. Plastic can be great and can feel really nice while maintaining a low weight. Like you said, the motor and plate are steel, and the steering wheel is aluminum (I assume) wrapped in a very fine grain leather. The shell is plastic, but it's a premium plastic; it's not cheap. In my personal opinion the plastic shell is way more attractive than the industrial, bare heatsink look of other brands. It looks like an actual product, while even Fanatec still looks like they are made in someone's garage. Made very well by a skilled craftsman, but in his garage with his lathe and powertools. The look was a significant reason I wanted it. I tried not to consider looks for my purchasing decision (I only play in VR, anyway), but I just couldn't want another one and I know it's because the Logitech looked good.
Wild. I Never ever thought in a million years Logitech would jump into the direct drive market, especially before Thrustmaster too.
I almost feel like the price point is a bit of a "flex" on Logitech part. If they went the 5nm route then they would sell more but then the elitists would be like "it's just another low end Logitech product"
At this price range it's actually more expensive than Fanatec so nobody can mistake this wheel for being mid--range.
Hopefully they can get that price down.
@@TrevorJones1 I hope so. Comparable price to a non DD fanatec is pretty reasonable.
@@seebarry4068 all they make are DD now.... or so i thought. i haven't seen anything but that on the site
@@TrevorJones1 after I had the fanetech software crash and cost me a win in iRacing due to the wheel just stop working and I went hard right in game and crashed out 2 cars at daytona and ended up under investigation I stopped using them as never had that issue on Logitech or Thrustmaster wheels I had used before
And still be loud about it! Cmon man that sound is disgusting
Great review. Logitechs reliability is top notch.
Had a good chuckle between the cat servicing itself and the shaft inspection.
Always something to laugh about when you do a review off the cuff! Never know whats going to happen?! lol
The cat was amazing, and the review as well :-)
The stitching where your thumbs sit does soften up nicely over time, mine was also quite rough to begin with but I love this feel of it now. I had Fanatec DD2 with porsche alcantara rim before this and hated it all, buggy software thin wheel rim way too hard feel to it. Would pick the logitech again and again, price was around £1250 with pedals, free shipping no import tax - price is very similar to anything else out there really imo.
Hello, is this still true 11 months later?
I'm really torn between this and other brands but you are right, by the time you factor in shipping and import its about the same, but with more torque
@@charleswatson3951 yep still going strong 👍🏻
The noise seems to me that you are experiencing a ground loop or a defective unit. It should only be utilizing LFE and so if you're hearing higher frequencies then you're either experiencing audio sample rate conflicts or it's a ground loop and you would need to experiment with how you plug your devices into power in order to isolate the cause and eliminate the electrical noise introduced to the audio path.
TrueForce is excellent if set up right in a game that supports it.
TF proper setup and implantation in-game is very important.
I wonder what Wil from Boosted Media had as settings. I'd be interested on the feedback from him if Karl inquired.
Very nice review .I'm still in my first week with mine and just getting to grips with the perfect setting and love it .The quality and feel of everything is on another level .For a Thrustmaster user like me it's a bit like getting off an old Honda and jumping on a BMW shaft drive .
It's funny you use that analogy because I literally just got shot of my Honda Civic and got a BMW 330ci which is night and day 🤣
@@ty194 On a track and b roads,i don't think so pal
@@VailingGoose I don't think anyone knows wtf you're talking about, so I'll just leave it.
@@ty194 330ci very nice car 👍🏾
@@ARDEN440i Indeed buddy. Drives like a dream and has lots of bells and whistles. I definitely recommend if you have the spare cash. 👍🏾
Great review Karl. Loved Ori's cameo - great to see she is enjoying your rig too!!
lol Likes to get involved even if in the "background" :)
The 1080° Rotation is an important info for me. In Euro Truck Simulator 2 and American Truck Siimulator, I am driving with 1800°.
Oh wow! I've no experience with those sims but yes this wheel is not for you then mate.
After using my G Pro for a few weeks now, I think the TrueForce is very much dependent on how the game implements it. In GT7 it seems like it can reach much lower range of vibrations, similar to the buttckicker in the TGT2. But in DR2 it's WAY too high pitched and loud. It would be great if more games had granular controls of Trueforce feedback. Whereas in WRC Generations I hardly noticed any Trueforce, even though it says it's supported.
Ahh thats really interesting! As you're 100% right in DR2.0 it's horrible!
@@KarlGosling I was given this as a gift and about to buy a rig to upgrade from the playseat challenge. They claim the trueforce works well with the playseat trophy seat, I.e sending that through the chassis. Do you think that would work well or is trueforce still likely to be flawed?
You can preset the prefered platform in the settings so you don't have to choose everytime upon startup.
I have Xbox and PS5 witch one do I have to buy for it to be compatible with both consoles?
@@Manny478 PS5 chip is in the wheel base, Xbox chips are in the rim, so if you want to future proof, you should get the PS5 package, then when Logitech releases new rims, get one that is Xbox specific, and it will work on Xbox. If you buy the Xbox base, it will never work with PlayStation.
For some reasons, Logitech in general likes to use their left over Micro USB stock, its the same on their Mouse that use Micro USB for charging.
So odd isn't it.
Yeah the fact their g pro super light uses microusb I can say I wasn’t surprised to see it here
I knew we were both thinking the same when you talked about the 2 fingers on the shaft stuff xD I've just started watching the video but from my previous experiences on your channel I don't even need to watch the entire video to know you did a brilliant job. You helped me quite a lot with all the stuff about sim racing recently and I just wanted to say thank you. Definitely my go to youtuber for anything sim racing related.
No mate thank you for the kind words, means a lot in a world of people who all like to shout negatively most of the time! :)
I really like the trueforce on this wheel. But I can see Karl is used to a much more expensive setup than me. I won’t be getting 6 transducers or anything like that.
Great review. Don't necessarily agree with you that Trueforce is terrible but I appreciate that you've given your reasons for why you think the way you do which is more than some other reviewers do.
I've put hundreds of hours in with this wheel already, mainly on gt7 and it's absolutely renewed my love for the driving experience in the game
Thanks Mike, we're all allowed different opinions of course :)
But apparently GT7 is one of the only titles where it works well and typically I don't have that to test! lol But with DR2.0 and ACC for example it's horrible and of course the principle of trying to get one motor to do so many different things at once is still valid.
You need to turn the effect down to about 30%
He had it at 5% mate @@red2lucas
@@KarlGoslinghi Karl. Great review, very honest.
I've just set mine up for GT7, and Logitech's website suggests turning the in-game vibration setting down to 35 (out of 100).
I think you are right; GT7 implements it far better than other games.
Wil did an extensive test (as you mentioned) and did not mention the TF issues.
I'd be interested to know what settings he ran, and if he was using GT7 (I don't think he was).
Agreed, it sounded awful. Mine doesn't sound like that. Go figure 😮
@@supercededmanI currently have a g29 (just got into sim) and playing GT7. Can you share your settings? I’d like to upgrade to the pro and curious what settings you use.
Great review as usual, Karl. Applause to Logitech for finally getting into the DD market, but at $1000 I would have expected a glowing review of a "must have" piece of kit. But what we have is a luke warm review of a better than the old stuff wheel base coupled to a totally mundane wheel rim. I can't see spending that kind of money for this, so I wont. Thanks for all you do for the sim racers out here by giving no holds barred, honest reviews.
Yeah the DD motor and FFB is great but overall too much money and it's ugly IMO! lol
Weird that 9 out of 10 other reviews are absolutely raving for this wheel and pedals…
@@nickbroekman9360 Maybe because they are paid reviews 😅
@@P1tr_ yeah that’s what I was wondering. That’s a real problem if its true. What would be a better alternative in the same price bracket and with the same quality/nm then?
@@KarlGosling I personally love the future look.
Loved the review, thanks for posting. I was looking for some info on this wheel since it's damn near impossible to get a Fanatec right now, and this is the only other DD wheelbase compatible with PlayStation.
I'm a little disappointed by all the commenters implying that since you didn't like the wheel, that means anyone who did was being paid for their review. Is it really that impossible to think different people like different things?
I have this wheel on the shortlist along with the GT DD 8nm. Based on what I know it doesn’t seem to be much pricier because the GT wheel seems to be low quality and quick to wear out. Also the pedals aren’t great so with CS v3 pedals and upgraded wheel from Fanatec you get into the same price range.
You have to turn down the vibration setting in gt7 main menu. It's set to 100 by default. Set game to 35 then set wheel audio to 35 well 👍
Exactly. Set at 100 it would be horrendous. Logitech's website has recommended settings for platforms and games.
Thanks for the review, RE Trueforce FB, or whatevers its called, because its fully software and algorithm based they can (and i assume they do this already), is that they would turn that section down when the motor needs to work on the traditional FFB things. I dont believe this would be a constant/linear application throughout the experience because as you quite rightly say it will not only detract from the physical experience, but also software wise it would take out the poling bit rates of what the rest of the road surfaces are doing.
TLDR I don't think the weighting of this feature is actually linear or on/off style, it will ramp down or have lower priority when the wheel is needed for actual FFB. If that is not true, im sure they will correct it in future updates.
The micro USB doesn't bother me at all. Its not type of thing where you'd be taking the cable out of the wheel to use it to charge your phone instead.
Yeah it doesn't bother me just odd to see it!
man i have been waiting for your review of this i just like how honest you are about thing.
Cheers mate!
I’d be getting a short cable to stay plugged into that micro-usb. I wouldn’t want to be messing up the port, by taking that cache in and out. The stitching is wonky to encourage you to buy another wheel, once they release them.
Great review, I liked the way you compared the TrueForce effects to using transducers. The reason I considered this wheel was that other reviewers say the FFB is exceptional and the added TrueForce (something other wheel bases dont have) is really great paired together. But as you mentioned with TrueForce vibrations aren't realistically going through the wheel and should be coming through the chassis/tires (like mounted transducers), do you think I could get the same or better audio vibration experience using mounted transducers and SimHub?
You will get a MUCH better experience using transducers and sim hub yes!
Thats the thing about UDP data from sims is that its kind of harsh and hard to layer from a single vibration source. It really is like audio engineering and trying to fit a bunch of frequencies all into one skinny strip of sandwiched chaos. What would be remarkable is if the Logitech Trueforce software could somehow take raw UDP data and compress it into a well balanced comprehensive “mix” that accentuates (but not overpowers) the force feedback -which is itself an algorithm tailored to have a wheel transmit the road feel in a convoluted way that makes up for not having a motion rig. So the two philosophies, one being that a wheel should do as much as it can to compensate for bot being reality and the other that it should be flat 1 : 1 wheel force like in early ACC and the buttkicker should do the rest exist. Or like how FFB mods have the grip loss effect heightened; All different but converging FFB philosophies. That could have been a cool concept if Logitec could pull something like that off with Trueforce. UDP and Simhub needs to get better too and give us more detailed and nuanced accessible control because the whole system is archaic and raw but is the heart of all the new technologies in sim racing hardware. We should be able to edit the textures and the frequencies themselves kind of like how DAWs let you do so much more with frequencies including effects and even mixing and mastering.
I like the TF on ACC PC, I do have it on low though
Very well said.
You are the first one that said honestly how the trueforce feels... Even on boosted media they praised the wheel for trueforce implementation. And I was honestly sceptical... I am glad Logitech entered the DD market but I am going with Fanatec gt dd pro and add some transducers on my rig for the same price as this one with new "PRO" pedals.
That would be a much more cost effective and better setup mate 100%.
before you do do you need to test compatibility with driving games like need for speed or f1 2015 and earlier (maybe even 16/17/18) if you do the fanatec's dont work with them 90% of my driving games dont work
Fanatec have been OOS for months. Now they're saying next year. Really poor.
what do you expect from a "channel" called BOOSTED media? cucks just say whatever is good for the new clickbait video lol.
I'm honestly confused about the difference in reporting of TF implementation between BOOSTED MEDIA and Karl.
Both are very honest and extremely thorough. Both have built a reputation of integrity and total independence.
Thanks for the honest reviews, apparently a lot of TH-camrs do not work ethically any more because I have seen a lot of them recommending this wheel and other bad wheels and say they are great! I think they are too afraid not to piss big companies off, which is really bad for the normal users because we get manipulated, and we end up buying poor quality stuff.
I'm sure there's definitely some of that going on mate, I've upset manufacturers with my reviews and so they don't send me things any more... So I just buy them in instead, no bother is it! :)
@@KarlGosling that is why I deeply appreciate the honesty and professionalism in your reviews!
Problem with this statement is that your saying that this wheel is bad, and I assure you it is not.
It's actually really top notch.
I feel alot of people have some kind of grudge against Logitech or something..
@@TrevorJones1 for $1000 it is not good, especially with this True force BS. Some TH-camrs made a big deal of it!
I call those sort of “reviews”, an advert
To be fair, the noises coming from the true force in DR2 are reminiscent of actual noises in some rally cars that I've been in, lmao. And some of them do rattle/vibrate that badly. It's great fun.
Thats supposed to be engine RPM mate! lol
@@KarlGosling Yeah, they missed the mark by a mile, but as an extra bit of ambiance or something, it's kinda fitting. Shame it's on the wheel.
Hey Karl u seem to be a expert in the scene what would be the cheapest budget sim rig u would recommend I’m not looking to do sim racing properly or professionally just for a Logitech g923 and to play games like NFS and Forza that sort of stuff u know so what would be a rig u would suggest for someone just looking for a budget rig.
I'd look at the ART from GT Omega mate, perfect for a starter rig and to use with a G923, there's a discounted link in the description if you want a few quid off too!
I wish reviewers would be more carful about info on products. I based my last wheel purchase for Xbox on a review that said this was PC only. In the end it is on me but still irritating! Thank you Karl , nice review with no punches pulled.
Very interested in this and the pedals as a DD upgrade (had my G29 for about 3/4 months now) and am feeling justified in spending a little more now I know I love sim racing. Not sure if spending this much at this time would be warranted however, so still considering the Moza R5 bundle. Tough choices ahead.
think money is better spent on Pedals, like simucube ACTIVE pedals.
Looks like a game changer
@@maximme 2023 Logitech announces the G- Pro force pedals.
I upgraded from a G29, I play on console and PS5 and very happy with my Pro, If I just used PC I'd go Moza R9
We've driven heaps of these wheels none of them feel like a race car real. A vibrator to feel a car through your spine says it all. Old thrustmaster feels as good as all of them to us.
One thing I wished the base wheel has a round bottom, it has everything you would need, its a decent size and its logitech they might not have the glamour name but they always seem to last forever
Agreed mate.
I think the base is designed the way it is to cater to those wanting to desk mount. It needs a wider base to support the extra force.
Seems like they just need a software update so you can tweak what exactly comes through TrueForce and turn stuff on and off?
Thanks for the honest review, Karl. Spot on mate.
One thing i'd say is Logitech's website says in stock ready to ship.... Ordered mine 5 days ago and am still waiting for it to ship!
I'd probably have cancelled and gone fanatec, but they say it can take up to 30 days to get my money back (as i paid via paypal) and Fanatec seems to always be sold out. So i guess i'll just hang on another week until they ship it.
Alternatively, it could be a good idea to search for the used market. You can find good deals. I bought a set of Clubsport V3 pedals with all the upgrades for 250€
@@pedrosilvaproductions Cheers for the suggestion. I would like to have warranty though, A lot of money for something to break and be stuck with it. I could live with 2nd hand pedals, but the motor is what i'd be concerned about. Cheers.
Excellent video. I enjoy the single take review style and deliberate pacing. Quick question: is a wheel like this too powerful and/or heavy for a moveable cockpit like a Next Level Racing GT LITE. I hesitate to upgrade to a high end wheel as I dont want to spend so much and have the whole thing too unstable on a portable cockpit.
Thanks mate, you'd probably need to run it at a lower power setting to minimise wobbly and flex but yes it would work.
I use the CSL DD with the boost kit on my GT Lite and it's perfect! You wmcan run it at full strength just gotta make sure it's solid when you're set up
Sorry Karl, can you say that all again. I was busy watching the cat 😸 despite the plastic, I'm tempted by one of these as my next wheel (and first DD). I've been having problems with Fanatec and remember fondly how bullet proof my old Logitech was.
lol She is a distraction! :)
Aside from plastic not looking premium the overall quality is top notch so I wouldn't hesitate if you don't mind the price and styling mate :)
Hey Doc, I've been testing one of these since release and aside from the aesthetic (which is purely subjective) I've been blown away how good it is. I've used a fair few DD wheels over the years and in terms of pure performance the G Pro is right up there. It's shockingly good for the price. Yes there's a fair bit of plastic, and some of the design decisions are questionable but the money saved in styling obviously went into the internals. I'd rather have it that way round than pay for something that looks good but has mediocre performance. Logitech deserve some credit for what they have made here. Trueforce is a nice bonus but not supported by many games - i actually don't mind it, but definitely not for everyone and that's fine. It's just an added feature and you can turn it off.
Fantastic in depth review. In my mind this logitech system is like a honda, unspiring looks but you know it will always work and get you home, or in this case, get you onto podium.
Thanks for watching!
Thanks Karl... I am late to ur video.. But i remember watching ur previouse video about Quest VR racing before... .. good video as always.
Pedals? Did you get the load cell or is there a new Flintstone's feature? Love the honest review as always. Thank you for your time making it for us.
The pedals do not come with the wheel base mate, they are another £350.
No worries, glad you like them! :)
@@KarlGosling I understand that. I wanted to hear your opinion on them as im sure others did too. I know your big on pedals.
@@a92gsxdsm pedal review will be later this week mate, didn't want this video to be any longer as it was already dragging out! lol :)
@@KarlGosling will the g920 pedals work on the pro wheel?
Great video Karl. Does the Trueforce enable you to feel the gearshifts in Gran Turismo 7 like you do on the control pad. The DD Pro is missing this area of detail whereas the T-GT 2 had this (in addition to some annoying force feedback similar to the Trueforce). Would be good to know how this wheel compares directly to the DD Pro thanks
Hmm I actually can't remember mate sorry.
Great vid Karl I’m thinking of upgrading my G29 to a G pro only thing is the base on my race sim .. is base mounting screws on the G pro same as the g29 so it’s no issues ? Thanks
As always, great review Karl. The cat stole the show in the 1st few minutes though!!
When you consider that it's 11nm and console compatible, what would you say a fair price is for this? I see a ton of complaints about the price, but when you price any thing else that's 10+nm, you're usually paying equal to, or more, and you don't get the console compatibility in most cases.
Fanatec have console support, DD1 is double the torque and only £300 more or the GT DD Pro at 8nm for £600.
@@KarlGosling The DD1 is normally $1800 or $1200 for just the base. After adding the wheel you’re at $1400+. I just don’t get the price criticism when it’s actually priced right where it should be when you consider the features. Everyone likes to shit on Fanatec, but suddenly it’s a better buy than a Logitech just coz it’s a Logitech? I don’t get that.
@Ryan Nanca good luck getting Fanatec aswell.
Another thorough review cheers 👍🏼
Gone down the Fanatec route myself, but looking forward to hearing your thoughts on the new Thrustmaster DD when you get your hands on one.
Keep it up mate : )
I'll be certain to get one in mate yes!
Considering the size of the wheelbase, is it not possible that there is a separate motor that takes care of trueforce?
Did they bring back the horn button in the middle?? Like the old one . I cheated on my set up . I put my peddles on an hafe door and mounted speakers to the door so you can feal it the peddles and 400w 12 subwoofer under the seat lol
I also got sore thumbs after my first few sessions with G923. The stitches were quite stiff, with some pointy thread ends on them.
But after a few sessions, with some hand grease and some help with vaseline, the threads become softer, and it becomes OKAY for bare hands. Don't know if the same applies to this wheel.
I think I'd rather just put on a pair of gloves, my thumbs were very sore after this review! lol
Oh my goodness, you can tell this was in the works for a while... It still uses MICRO USB!?!
FYI......Mine is an Xbox version and you can go into the settings and select Xbox as the default so as not to have to select it at start up each time.
Ah on the wheel itself? I didn't look in there, cheers!
Welcome back to the grind mate 👍 fair play to Logitech but I just tune in my R9 with the help of sim racing garage and tell ya what mate, feels brilliant.
Take it easy bud 🍻
Cheers Junior! The R9 does feel great to drive with, glad it's doing you well! :)
@Karl Gosling cheers mate. Glad see you back 🥃
Finally, about time. I’ve been waiting for this 😊. I ordered mine the day after it was released. Amazing wheel.
Hope you enjoy it!
Great informative video Karl.
The main issue with this is the price. I cannot see how someone will want to pay £999.00 for this especially as the load cell pedals are another £399.00.
My Fanatec setup which is 8MM DD pro wheel base, McLaren GT3 wheel and CSL pedals with load cell plus the shipping and VAT (customs import charge) was just under £1000.00. Yes they have stock issues hence why I ordered a non Fanatec bundle item, but it’s really a better deal and in my option far superior.
I just feel if someone is going to want to pay £1000.00 just for a direct wheel and base then surely they will do their research and realise there are other options out there. And if the selling point is because it’s 11MM base then in all honestly that is too much. I run my 8NM DD pro around 6-7 and that is more than enough.
Agreed mate, this will sell well only because of Logitechs huge marketing budget, it is a good well... just too expensive,
I got pedals for £262.49, wheel was £999 - shipping from Fanatec and import was over £200 when I ordered early this year which makes the logitech a cheaper option, plus its more NM's and more buttons on the wheel! Every ad i see about this new logitech wheel is comments on how it is too expensive but it really isn't
prices must have come down, since I've just bought Logitech Pro wheel (ps5) and Pro pedals for £1100. (I saw the wheel selling at £800, ie £199 under previous price, which means pedals are selling for £300, also well under £399)...
I'm biting the bullet today since I could get everything for 999€ here. Where previously it sat at 1400€. That's with shipping and taxes inc. Without the pedals I think the price is dumb. With the pedals, my options were the moza r9 or fanatec dd, which would be more expensive for less performance (with loaded cell pedals).
Im aware of the trueforce problems, but Im not buying for that.
Thank you for another great review. It looks like you had the base mounted to a GT Omega Titan cockpit. Did the cockpit feel solid, any flex? I am thinking about upgrading my Thrustmaster TS-XW to the Logitech or a 8 Nm Fanatec wheel since I am using ACC and F1 22 on Xbox. I really don't see going the PC route anytime soon and the Logitech seems to be a good choice for the Xbox (and future PC compatibility). Thanks.
Yeah the Titan was fine mate, it's what I use to test all my wheel bases... Discounted link in the description too! :)
What are you reviewing...the steering wheel or your bicep?
Regarding Truforce - imagine if the wheelbase had an audio output with the Truforce signal. The games that support it properly, it’s actually physics based.
This would mean physics-based bass shakers on a console! One can only dream…
Let us access the Truforce signal and handle it ourselves, Logitech! Take my money!
That was was my first thought as well and would be incredible! I think someone will work it in to a design eventually
the review on this wheel I have been waiting for!!
Hope you're good mate! :)
Thanks for your review. This looks great and probably the best looking wheel base, but for that price the pedals should have come included.
Karl, I never have an issue with my DD1 quick release lol. I just place my foot on an anchor and am careful tugging it off. Sounds dirty, but that's it lol
hahaha perfect mate!
Awesome, Karl finally got around to reviewing the G Pro! ::looks at video length:: O_O;;
::pages secretary:: "Sarah? Cancel the rest of my appointments for today, thank you."
lol! Yeah it's a long one!
Good to see you back mate! Thanks fir the review.
Gee that new Asetek La Prima set looks the goods!
Yes I'm hoping to get something in for review so we'll see! :)
hello from France Karl! Always so cool to watch your reviews! a guy who attracts sympathy. Reviews that answer the questions asked by " Mister everyone" ( Monsieur tout-le-monde). The cat is very cool too.
Good job!
Sorry for my English.
Your English is fine, no apologies! :)
@Karl - The package I am considering currently is a GT DD Pro Wheelbase (8nm) + CSL loadcell pedals + Clubsport RS Wheel which comes up to roughly the same amount as the Logitech G Pro wheel + pedals. Given I am based in India and will be getting these from the US, my key priority is reliability as I won't be able to do a return/replacement. Which one would you recommend as a safer option from reliability perspective (Fanatec may have some issues called out on forums but the product has been around and well tested; Logitech has good reliability in general but this product is relatively new)? Any guidance will be quite helpful
Thank you for another great review. Just one question. "DD1 or Logitech G Pro?". Which one would you chose as your only device?
DD1, looks nicer, smaller, more power and a greater choice of wheels... although the G PRO has a nicer quick release but I can deal with that.
@@KarlGosling thank you!
Been watching you for the last few hours now outta nowhere it's 1am. Great content karl
lol Thanks Aaron!
So I'm having to replace my G29 for the PS5 as it finally gave out. I mostly play GT7 on it, would you recommend the Logitech G Pro or the Thrustmaster T-GT II strictly for that? I have a TS-PC Racer for my PC racing
G PRO is direct drive and the T-GT is not so thats an easy choice.
Thank you Karl, that's what my thoughts were as well
It seems like a good wheel base but tell me why I'm choosing sim magic? I have no idea...
I have no idea either mate?! lol
Another top review 👍
And a bonus point for the cat 😋
I think you can choose pc or xbox via the software (so you don’t have to do it when you start)
Thanks mate!
Oh in G-Hub? I didn't see it in there but could have missed it.
@@KarlGosling There should be an option within the wheelbase itself. Under platform you should be able to select PC, Xbox, or On startup. If "on startup" is selected, it will prompt you every time you turn it on.
I'm not a fan of D-shaped wheels in real cars or in simulation games too because of the annoyance when turning to grab the wheel when doing hand-over-hand.
Karl, given that you seem to be a DR2.0 fan (aren’t we all?), I would love to hear your take about WRC Generations. I comparison review would be awesome!
I'll take a look if I have time mate.
Cracking video matey! This is the route I'll be going on my PS5, all the kids have moved out and I've laid claim to the small spare room lol. Any more info on the tactile transducers Karl, they sound quite interesting O.0 Subscribed too btw :D
Sounds like a good plan Chris!
I've a few video's on transducers if you take a look (search) through my video's mate.
@@KarlGosling awesome will do buddy thank you 👍🏼
When is the pedal review coming?
Later this week mate.
The wheel base has a “clock spring” for the wheel electronics- like in a real road car.
Yes that's the one.
What happens for example in GT7 if I set the max torque to 5/10 and on the wheel I set it to say 5 nm? Does this mean the effective max torque would be 2.5 nm?
Yes... At least it should be, I have not tested it though.
Pricing - just wanted to say I think the price is actually very justified. Most reviews are saying the force feedback is very good. For comparison, Fanatec's DD1 is 1,200 Euro without a wheel (so add at least 300 to get a metal connector wheel) and their bundle of CSL DD with plastic connected WRC wheel (mine is wobbly and can't cope with my belt drive force) is 700 Euro. So this sits closer to the CSl in price but closer to the DD1 in quality.... All open to debate of course and everyone will have different needs and budgets. And you could go Moza....
Hopefully, Logitech will offer other wheels soon, including cheaper ones, and the base on its own. Then we could use our existing wheels with an aftermarket adaptor.
The Trueforce info is really useful to know. It seems it's not worth getting for that. I assume you can turn it off if you don't like it.
Could not agree more Doc. I see so many people saying this is overpriced. It's absolutely not. Yes, it's more expensive compared to an basic entry level DD wheel - which seems to be everyone's point of reference for some reason - but that's not a fair comparison as the G Pro is good enough to compete with most mid level offerings and comes in cheaper to boot. Yes, there are cheaper DD wheels out there but they are not as good.
Lol the cat is destroying your race chair in the background.. Great review
Yup, she loves it! lol
Came for the review, stayed for the cat
Like most other viewers! lol
Just waiting to see what thrustmaster brings out
Yeah that will be interesting!
Quality finish is so important when spending over $1000 on sim gear. Moza gets a free pass by most reviewers, i tried one and just felt all over inferior to mu fanatec clubsport equipment in terms if finish and overall quality
It's interesting because Fanatec equipment is very hit of miss qualitatively. I've broken one QR (the metal upgraded one, not the plastic one) and one Fanatec shifter, but my Clubsport V3 pedals are bomb proof.
Moza quality is very poor in my experience.
Fanatec does seem to have hit and miss reports, all my gear has been fine (nothing actually broken) but my shifter does suffer with what I think is static build up and have to be discharged every year or so, it's taken a proper beating in DR and DR2.0 though and still going strong years on!
@@KarlGosling i have had issues with two of my wheels, to which fanatec took care in a very satisfying manner. The v2.5 is a workhorse and the v3pedals are just a tank. Based in my experience with fanatec and trying out the R9 with GS wheel (which i returned the very next day) im getting the podium now while on sale. DD is definitely the way to go over belt driven, just not Moza for me
Wonder how it stands up against the new Asetec La Prima!
I'm going to say the Asetek will be better value as they are quite good a competitive pricing, but probably less torque.
If it's Logitech, I don't care about plastic. They use top notch plastic.
I wonder when he will find the claw damage to his seat back? Lol got to love Cats to endure their nature to claw things lol I hope it is hard plastic and not Leather or Vinyl and did NO damage.
She's been clawing that seat since I've had it, it's holding up well so far! lol
I'm now on my second wheel and base from Logitech. The customer service is awful and they really don't seem to care that they are sending out faulty products. The wheel will not calibrate itself properly and always sits just to the left. Logitech agree that this is wrong. After an hour or so the wheel will continually twitch, in race and on loading screens. When first turning on, all settings will be automatically maxed out and you have to change profiles to get it to change. Not an issue, until you have to continually restart due to the constant twitching. I've got all the test videos from myself and emails from Logitech. If enough people want to see them then I will upload it as a video.
Thank you for the review. Logitech is amazing when it comes to build quality and also with the software, so I am sure it is an amazing wheel. But yeah... it is not only ugly as heck... it just does not signal "Premium" and make me want to pay €1099. If it was €799 it would be in the mail...
remember that's just for the wheel... Pedal set is another 300€ so it is 1400€ in total.
@@sermerlin1 1500€ total.. lol
@@sermerlin1 yeah. I do like that you can buy it with or without the pedals, but it is indeed too pricey.
@@mikaelbackstrom I mean yeah... It's great that you can buy it separate but wheel should be 700e and pedals perhaps 300e...
So that the whole bundle is 1000e.
But like this they are selling them as separate entities and will confuse the heck out of a lot of shoppers when they see new logitech wheel box to just be hit with a shock "1000e for JUST a wheel?!"...
Hi
Detailed Review Karl,
which Wheel would you recommend me to buy for f1 22 (under 1500£)?
Thanks
Any of the big tried and tested brand would be fine mate, Simucube, Fanatec, etc.
Love the cat in the background testing the durability of the racing chair.
So far it's holding up well! lol
Looking for a ps5 wheel and pedal set the thing I don't understand is why would you buy this for 2 grand AUD over the fanatec Podium F1 set for $2300 and have the option of getting different wheels overtime tonise for different games and styles of racing? FANATEC seems like a no brainer to me what do you guys think?
You wouldn't, the Fanatec is better value and with many wheel options as you say mate.
Low and behold, a proper unbiased non affiliated review. Thank you oh so much mate. Too many "fair and unbiased" reviews out there from folk who get the kit "given" to them by the makers. Liking your in depth tour of the G Pro so far Karl. You sorta look like a bloke who likes nothing better than a pissup and a fight but your intelligence and knowledge of the subject come through loud and clear for me.
Just paused the video to comment on your opinion on Pro's looks. I quite like the shape. It reminds me of the Martians in the original 1953 War of the Worlds movie or even the main robot in Wall-E. Also I must say I don't like the Fanatec/Moza style bases. They look too much like something I just pulled out of a Ford Escort engine bay.
For the price I would want some pretty bits bolted on and thank you Logitech for doing just that. As for trueforce I'll know what oyu mean when I buy this model but that won't be for a little under a year.
You're not the first person to describe me like that! lol I do like a beer but never really been a fighter unless I've needed to.
Yeah the looks are very much personal taste.
It all makes sense really, in the end no influencer twat is going to mention anything bad if its going to hit them in the pocket especially something like this where it has a very large target audience of people who don't know any better. I mean just look at all the idiots fawning over trueforce, im literally saying to myself are we experiencing the same thing, nope.. people love the engine rpm n64 rumble pack gimmick. I pulled the trigger and made the purchase and regret it , should have valued karls unbiased opinion more and gone asetek forte or simicube2 wheelbase.
@@Loudlevin Well, I also pulled the trigger. Did it separately and missed out on a big AU$384 discount and a pair of racing gloves. Damn! Pedals yet to arrive but I've got the adapter so I'm using the G923 pedals at the moment.
It's a step up from the G923 I have.
As for game support for Trueforce; there aren't many just 2 on the PS5. More on the PC, 10 I think. Still, not enough to conquer the DD world. People are saying it's brilliant though . . . on the Pro but everyone knows it's $hit on the G923.
Not a problem for me, I didn't buy it for that. I bought it for Logitechs known quality and service. When a McLaren wheel, shifter and handbrake come out in October you might think better of it Loudlevin. Don't shoot the goose yet mate.
I wonder if it's just a bad wheel. I've watch multiple reviews on this and no one else has mentioned the static sound
Sorry maybe I wasn't clear, it's not a static sound, that is the engine rpm! I think it's the frequency they have chosen, the other effects don't sound like it.
To be fair your comments on steering wheel feel are very much dependant on the car. A Lotus Elise/Exige for eg you feel everything to the point that running over aggressive saw tooth curbs is uncomfortable for your hands.
A van, like my Volvo, I'm not surprised you feel nothing.
I love your videos. And I have to add, I had the best to tears laughing fit when your cat started using your racing seat as a claw pole…He’s busy now, let me have at it…😂
Yes she was having a great time behind me whilst I had no idea! lol
Agree mate, decent but expensive. Approx twice the price of the CSL DD Pro when you include pedals.
Nuts, prob be 50% off soon.
Everyone says this but in Australia the logitech is cheaper with 2nm more and a product that doesn't break.
@@wastingtime This market goes beyond Australia.
Depends on the vehicle Karl, whether Kerbs and the like are felt through the wheel, maybe not so much in a van, but in a Kart or any single seater you feel the kerbs through the wheel and seat, as the saying goes "drive by the seat of your pants" - as always Karl. Good vid mate
Yeah thats true and of course they have no PAS in which case a lot more is felt through the wheel.
I track an MX-5 MK2 and I can tell you right now, you feel plenty of the road through the wheel. I don't mean feeling the wheel correct itself on a kerb either.
I’m a noob when it comes to sim racing tech, what exactly is the point of being able to take off the wheel?
To change it for another one... Rally, F1, GT3 etc.
great! I was waiting for your review of this piece
Thanks!
the way your cat just climbs your sim rig is adorable, when are you gonna post a video of him driving >: )
She's a little beauty but not the best driver thats for sure! lol
Karl's cat in the background is the real star of the show here.
Always! lol
probably a dumb question, if buying it for pc does it matter if it's xbox or ps?
Yes I think you need the Xbox version mate, but worth checking.