Seeing scenes from old Marvel movies is bittersweet, because they remind me of those great movies while at the same time bringing the realization that those days are gone. How a franchise fell so far in such a short time span is mind blowing.
The craziest part is that Darkseid in the books and animations is much more similar to movie thanos, cold, calculated, and ruthless, and philosophical while Thanos in the books and animations is much more “The Mad Titan” world burning maniac that Darkseid is in the DCEU 😂
You need to read more Prime Thanos. The Jim Starlin Books. Thanos Quest, Infinity Gauntlet : War, Crusade, Relativity, Revelation and Finale. Just to name a few. ALL are the Calculating, Complex Titan. Far more so than the posturing near pycho Darkseid. Unlike Darkseid, Thanos Actually has character. Darkseid is your typical " megalomaniac".
@bronzetiger6360 he's the og megalomaniac. Thanos for the mcu was fine, but i prefer the attitude of thanos from the alternate timeline. The only issue i had with the 'main' thanos was his snapping away half of life was illogical. They took a cool panel from the comic and made it his goal. How did they even know he had to snap?
Just wanted to chime in that “no resurrections this time” after he kills Loki is one of the coldest lines in the MCU and cemented that scene as excellent.
It was also confirmation to the audience that this time Loki really was dead. He was saying it as much to us as he was to Loki, as we'd become so accustomed to him faking his death
In Marvel's defense, no studio in the history of cinema managed to do what they did and in the time it was done. 20+ movies in 10 years all weaving into a collective narrative. It was lightning in a bottle and Marvel was there to bottle it, market it and thrive from it. I liken it to the iPhone, which changed the world but we've yet see a single piece of tech in the last 15+ years that had the same global effect and surprise. Sure, there was the iPad that also changed computing but that's basically just an extension of the iPhone. Clearly the iPad was a landmark device but nothing like the iPhone. My point is that Marvel did the impossible and now we're all expecting them to do that with every movie when it's just not possible. Having said that, Marvel's about to get their second wind with the worlds of the X-Men, Fantastic Four and Blade, so greatness is still within their grasp. Again, nothing, absolutely nothing will ever compare to the Infinity Stone saga but it's possible that Marvel will have its iPad moment. I also believe we're a jaded audience and expect world-bending, life-changing content on a regular basis when nothing really works like that. But I digress. There's no question that Marvel won the comic book movie war and no matter how things turn out going forward the Infinity Stone saga has no rival.
Another interesting thing about that scene with Thanos is compare the quality of CGI to what we're getting today. That does not look like CGI, Thanos has a physicality to him that makes him look real, it's far easier to suspend belief for a CGI character of that quality than someone like She-Hulk, for example. Not only the effect, the voice acting is head and shoulders above all subsequent phases. Josh Brolin absolutely nails it, conveying a sense of command and power with every line uttered, leaving the audience in absolutely no doubt as to the threat Thanos poses. It's a stark reminder of how far Marvel has fallen.
I mean if you look a Brolin filming it literally was his head and shoulders. He did mocap with a Thanos face printout on a stick like a foot above his head.
It's not even about what year it came out. It's about how little companies care about compensating or giving their animation studios time to do their job.
The real darkseid would have slowly floated menacingly toward his target as his army kills everything around him and anything that manages to gets past his armies gets sniped by his omega beams without him even looking at them. The only time darkseid would bother going melee is if the opponent is powerful enough to somewhat match him and he is trying to crush the hopes of his enemies by crushing this strong opponent.
@@nyleo6769Yeah that is a thing in comics that he attained the omega force later on, makes some sense that he wasnt unbeatable yet especially by beings probably comparable to kryptonians
@@ultron1423 Uxas is Darkseid's proper name, but more to the point, where in the movie does it refer to him as Uxas? In the credits, the guy that voiced him is credited as Darkseid with no mention of Uxas. In the scene introducing him, Wonder Woman calls him Darkseid. Why would she call him Darkseid when Earth's protectors only previous interaction with him is when he went Uxas? Did Snyder not read the script? The only mention of him being Uxas is in some tweet Snyder posted, but nowhere in the movie and its credits. Regardless, if he had the Omega Force, he would've still hovered in there and stayed levitating while the Parademons fight off the Amazons, Atlanteans and Men. Then took what he needed and bounced. He definitely wouldn't have bitched out after an axe to the shoulder. It doesn't make any sense for him to have that stony look pre-Omega Force since the Omega Force is what made him look like that. The New Gods are all aware of the Green Lanterns and Guardians.
It's nice to see a breakdown of that Thanos V Hulk fight. My jaw was on the theater floor. What an incredible way to finally introduce Thanos. Beats the shit out of Thor, kills half his people, beats the shit out of Hulk, blows up ship and portals away casually while not looking at the explosion of course. All he needed was sunglasses.
I still think Hulk was badly nerfed to make thanos look good for that scene. Unless it's canon that Hulk got weaker with every MCU film which is somehow plausible though it shouldn't be.
@@revolverswitchthe only consistent character trait that hulk had was that he gets nerfed in pretty much every movie. I think what they tried hinting at is that Hulk resents banner so much that he refuses to help or holds back to make banner feel as miserable as possible. But they never developed this idea so that’s giving them too much credit.
@@revolverswitchIt may feel that way, but even in the books that the movies are based on, Hulk and Thanos are very close in raw strength. Of course Hulk's strength exponentially increases with rage, we all know this, but Thanos doesn't drag the fight out long enough for this to happen.
@@xshadowzoneWhich is why I think it would have been cooler to see a round two where Hulk wasnt sulking inside Banner but at least we still have stories that treat Hulk right as a complex and endearing brute who refuses to back down.
Would be interesting to compare Darkseid to Sauron, who also is defeated in a prologue. Though our protagonists are hobbits, not superheroes, and we see how terrifying Sauron can be through the ring, Nazgul and Saruman.
in this case it would be the context of the movies. In Lord of the Rings, the point was that good wins through tenacity, that you have to keep going even in the face of despair. Sauron is strong, but he's beatable, if you can find the strength and courage to see it through.... which the humans didn't in round 1..... in Justice league? yeeeah, just stick an axe in Darkseid, nothing really that complicated. He'll then have a 10,000 year brain fart. The moral being..... wait for a god to come bail you out? plot convenience is the most powerful force in the DCEU? who knows really, it's a Chris Terrio script, so looking for meaning is kind of pointless anyway....
@@petriew2018 An axe holded by a literal god, a god that caused WW1, so powerful that Diana needed a power up to defeat him, yeah, obviously it was just the axe :v
@@TheFoshaMan as far as the movie communicated to you in the moment... yeah, actually, just as an axe as far as the vast majority of the audience actually knew. They never identified the olympian gods as olympian gods. Maybe if they'd have spent a few minutes setting that up properly, had Darkseid trade a few blows to show what the power levels practically were, that scene would have worked The ultimate failure with the Snyder cut on just about every level is Snyder had this vast, complicated, sprawling story he wanted to tell.... and completely forgot the audience didn't have his notes to consult when trying to figure out what the actual fuck was going on. Snyder got so caught up in his own mythology he forgot to make an actual movie. The core problem with the entire Snyderverse. Snyder is always more concerned about his next movie, not laying the foundation to make it make sense. What Snyder thought he was showing you and what he was actually showing you are two vastly different things when it comes to his DCEU movies....
@@petriew2018yeah, as far as we know that was just an axe. Despite Darkseid being shot by lightning, shot by a magical arrow, and being attacked by an actual fucking green lantern, it clearly wasnt obvious that the axe guy wasnt a normal human. No, it was obvious, Darkseid got overpowered by 3 greek gods (Artemis, Zeus, and Ares I believe). Also, if I'm not mistaken, Darkseid didnt attack earth for thousands of years BECAUSE he was scared of the power of these gods and other powerful warriors on earth. Now with all those protectors gone, he comes back to finish the job. It's not clear why Thanos didnt attack earth again for 10 years, and yet that's glossed over, but Darkseid not coming back for a while is constantly nitpicked.
@@petriew2018Snyder made awful DC movies but the Snyder cut isn't one of them, it's clear he's fighting Gods because most people don't shoot lightning or have glowing hands, Aries is in-between Artemis and Zeus, and gets Zeus to hold his axe as he puts on his helmet, I'm sorry but if you think that doesn't make it clear he's a good idk what short of a 5 hour cut will. Also it's clear darkseid doesn't even have the omega-force yet, so a nerfed to all hell darkseid lost to the combined effort of Earth strongest forces unified. Seriously complain about a bad DC Snyder film: there's way more of those and they're all so easy to hate
An interesting perspective to thanos's first line , " I know what it's like to fail , to desperately think that you're right and yet to fail nonetheless " : I think it highlights the struggle he faced to save his own planet , Titan. He thought he was right about the fair and free genocide of half of his people. But his planet did fail nonetheless. Good writing is scarce this days.
His idea was never implemented. All he was able to do was argue. It's only after the collapse he predicted occurred that he actually got to test his idea.
@@fernandolombardi4701the idea is objectively wrong as it does not prevent resource consumption. Even with the infinity stones why the fuck didn’t he just give every planet infinite resources. I can think of at least 3 different ways he could’ve done this. And the infinity stones allowed him to do literally anything he could think of. So is thanos just stupid?
In the JL movie, as far as I know, they don't even show the iconic Darkseid pose where he keeps his hands behind his back. I'm not a comic book expert, but I always loved that pose, as it serves as a subtle way to show us that Darkseid has no fear and doesn't care about casualties, without needing him to say that out loud. Usually, the villain just tells the audience they're not scared, but actions speak louder than words. It's simple, but makes him more intimidating.
i think having a character be bad because their bad needs to have some meaning ig. i feel like not all villain’s motives need to be relatable and justified. Sometimes you can have a villain be bad because they want to be bad or they’re legitimately psychotic. I get his opinion tho.
Yeah, though their characters, motives, and actions still need to be shown as bright as day while also be entertaining at the same time. Joker, Palpatine, Hannibal Lecter, Patrick Bateman, Sauron, Maleficent, Scar, Claude Frollo, Big Jack Horner, Bill Cipher, Syndrome, Joffrey Baratheon, The High Evolutionary I could go on, are all prime examples.
Thanos is "relatable" and "justified" !? For whom ? Genocidal maniacs ? No, it's called having a character with intelligence and depth. It's called having a reason behind the motive. Otherwise, why have a sentient character at all. Might as well make a movie about fighting animals and natural disasters.
Fantastic comparison video. Its sad how poorly Darkseid was handled. Meanwhile Thanos was built up properly and made even casual Marvel fans like me care about him.
But the problem with this video is that ZS's Justice League was *still* building up to Darkseid. Comparing a movie that was doing the *"setting up"* to another movie that fully showed the character was literally doing apples and oranges.
@@user-iy7jo7bq4fNah. Having your big bad get so utterly defeated and humiliated in his first appearance ain’t it. Snyder guys like to apologize for it but I’m a DS fan since I was a kid and hated that introduction. Fortunately the failure of the Snyderverse is over and hopefully the DCU will be much better.
@@user-iy7jo7bq4f But it doesn't build him up, it tears him down. He starts out looking cool, but by the end of the prologue you've lost any interest in the guy. The exact opposite of how Thanos' pre-Infinity War cameos worked.
Reminder that Darkseid got his ass beat so bad by characters he would normally trounce with ease that he forgot where the Anti-Life Equation (😂😂😂😂) was.
@@marcosrecio4062you mean the time he got 1 hit on him because he surprise attacked him with a super powerful new weapon or the time he killed an injured version of him that was being restrained by 3 avengers including captain marvel because they burst through his walls in his log cabin while he was making breakfast? Because other than that all I can remember is Thanos winning a 3v1 against iron man, cap and thor (who’s also a god), and Infinity war beginning with thor being beat the fuck up already. What you’re saying happened literally just didn’t… like at all. This video is all about effective introductions and the one darksied gets has him getting his ass handed to him by Ares, a guy Wonder Woman shit on in her first movie.
@@berengustav7714 “he hit her with everything he had and she blocked it… then killed him” She gets a second wind like in every lame superhero fight at the end of the movie and kicks his ass. She clinks her bracelets together and knocks him down while he’s coming at her with everything, then he charges up a super move and she easily deflects it. She’s literally supposed to be the god killer in the film. If you think that in any way the writer or director’s intent with that scene was to communicate that Diana wasn’t strong enough to defeat Ares and that she merely got lucky then you’re dumb as shit.
@berengustav7714 You're missing the point. It makes Darkseid look weak to be beaten by a villain Wonder Woman already defeated. It translates subconsciously to the audience as, this guy is weaker than Wonder Woman and that's all that really matters Thanos' intro was so potent because he casually kills a villain who the Avengers had a really tough time with on their first outing, is on the verge of easily killing Thor (established as one of the strongest characters in the MCU) and mono e mono dismantles Hulk (arguably the most powerful hero in the MCU at that point). Every time Hulk was called in in the past (like he was in this scene), the villains shit themselves The fact that Thanos easily destroys Hulk in seconds immediately tells the audience that this guy is something we've never seen before Darkseid just gets embarrassed and made to look like a fool
The only thing that I'd disagree with is that the monkey didn't seem to just forget how his power works; you can see him focus on his fallen comrade, reaching out as his face contorts with grief, freezing before he is dispatched by Darkseid. That they made a Green Lantern that emotionally fragile to the point of disregarding approaching certain death, despite all their combat training still seems like BS, just of a slightly different flavor. So I think the same conclusion certainly holds. And it does pale before the impact of Darkseid's choice of actions as you laid out here.
Thanos could have started collecting the infinity stones at any time, but he knew the most powerful forces in the universe would spring together to stop him as soon as they realised what he was doing... so he bides in time until this moment, when he knows the location of every single one and can collect them in one fell swoop, met only with rushed defenses like those on Titan and Wakanda, and it paid off! If he didn't collect them in one rush like this, someone like Thor would have found a way to kill him, without question (as we see right at the end of the movie... just slightly too late)
Ok good points but you must admit that this is like comparing the chair sitting Thanos to the infinity war Thanos. Of course, darkseid in justice league is half baked, because frankly it's basically the 3rd movie in the cinematic universe. DC is to blame for not managing the build up properly, but if they'd curated their movie line ups with more care and time, we might have gotten something better. Also it's a flashback scene meant to give us a brief glimpse into the event that came before. You could just as easily nitpick the Sauron scene from the opening scene in fellowship for being so easily defeated by a mere human with his sword.
@@jtbcu2269 They were in a lose-lose situation to begin with. Every DisMarvel fan was gonna endlessly bash on the DC films regardless if they were actually good or not.
I'm curious, was Darkseid EVER given relatable motivations like Thanos? I'm not proficient in comic lore, but I've seen some JLA and the Justice League animated movies and I never recall him having relatable motivations. I do recall in one of the movies he captures Supergirl and tries to convert her but Batman threatens to blow up Apocalypse if Darkseid doesn't let Supergirl go so Darkseid relents, promising to let them go. Were there any other instances where Darkseid had relatable motivations?
Darkseid is more a representation of pure tyranny, more of a symbolic villain, MCU Thanos is meant to be a more relatable villain, while Darkseid is more classic and larger than life, his motivation comes from his natural desire for tyranny and oppression.
Nah, Sauron was also introduced when he was defeated, same as Voldemort and yet they kept being a threat that felt could return at any moment and stronger than before. And worse for Sauron, being defeated by losing his fingers and Voldemort to a baby... Darkseid had to be defeated by three old gods, a lantern and the king of Atlantis. And the fact that we even have visions of the future on how he is going to win, killing two members of the league and controlling Superman is what reaffirms how powerful and dangerous he has become. Meanwhile Thanos real intro was in Avengers just looking at the camera and smiling. And then in Guardians saying some stereotypical villain lines on his chair, just to be taken as a fool by Ronan. If that's the case, Darkseid's intro is still the better one.
Visions don't mean anything, maybe show him doing stuff in the present to make him scary. Also Thanos was just giving a dead stare at Ronan, like "you done yet?".
@@thebcwonder4850 Then Sauron's visions about the Shire being destroyed and everyone being enslaved don't mean anything either? Of course they do count. And in here we have seen not only that he has won but how he does it. We see him killing Aquaman and Vulko with the Omega beams and controlling Superman after killing Lois. And we saw him doing a gigantic fire symbol with just one blow to the ground, then killing a Green Lantern like nothing, recieving arrows (that can destroy a whole space ship) to the chest and be okay and even stopping Zeus lightning bolts.
@@Vesohag He ignored how both the arrow and axe came from Artemis and Ares respectively. Ares also draws power and energy from war thus grows exponentially stronger
@@hamizanyunos1502 That's right. We see how an arrow of her can destroy a huge ship, yet he got one to the chest and was hurt but still got to just pull it out like nothing. And yes, Ares was super strong then with such a battle happening.
@@Vesohag He just ignores the context of the entire fight who were actual Gods and we have seen their feats in both the movie and for Ares the previous Wonder Woman film. I have to say while I enjoyed Infinity War and Endgame, they heavily neutered Thanos by not giving him his energy manipulation and force fields while Snyder had explained in an interview that Darkseid was still Uxas thus has not gained the omega effect yet that is why his eyes are not Golden Yellow in the fight against Greek Gods.
Do we really know for sure that Darkseid shat himself? Seriously, though, the most potent villains are the calmest ones - Thanos, Hannibal Lecter, Darth Vader, Anton Chigurh.
While the whole point is missed in that part of Jedi´s video, its also the movie´s fault not to be clear about the old gods, I mean, to everyone that knows about DC Comics this result is not a surprise because Artemis, Zeus and Ares should be enough to beat pre-omega beams Darkseid by themselves, but to new watchers they just seem like random dudes.
@@SpookyTree255 they literally have wonder women say "Zeus and his son ares" while showing the obvious Zeus character give the giant dude an axe. It's pretty obvious who Ares was supposed to b
This video just reminded me why I love Infinity War (2nd only to Civil War). Truly lightning in a bottle. And a good reminder of how to make truly memorable villains. Some of my favorites have interesting and unique things about them: Sauron was absolutely terrifying not just in the intro, but throughout as he was an ever present threat that twisted the minds of our heroes; Cell, an absolutely chilling intro and a masterclass performance by Dameon Clarke; Thrawn is the embodiment of "brain winning out against brawn" and I loved him from back when I first read Heir to the Empire in Middle School (back in the early 2000s); Doflamingo being one of the most twisted people in his machinations (loved him so much, I cosplayed as him for Halloween, feather cape and all); Scarecrow (as I'm a Psych major myself) using fear to control people, which is far more terrifying (pun intended) than any amount of physical strength; and Handsome Jack (again with Dameon Clarke, I know) being equal parts charisma and sadism in one glorious package. Great stories require great heroes and even greater villains for them to face. Those are the ones that stick with you.
You don't really notice things do you? 1. Darkseid decided to do the ritual on the battlefield because *the anti-life equation was located within the dirt of the battlefield* 2. A warrior or warlord also doesn't look for safety and comfort. Safety and comfort is not a concept that makes a warrior or warlord. 3. Why would Darkseid be protecting his crew on the battlefield? The majority of his crew are parademons and these parademons are genetically altered as they were originally slaves from planets Darkseid conquered in search of the anti-life equation. Darkseid doesn't care about the parademons because they are expendable. He has conquered 100,000 worlds, meaning he has lots of slaves turned parademons to spare. 4. The science so advanced that looks like magic is THE MOTHERBOX themselves!!! It's not the sorcerers or the flying ships. The motherboxes were also *in the process of merging* which mean't that it couldn't be used for other offensive purposes at the time. 5. Darkseid grabbed the guy to lift him up because the guy ran towards him to attack him. It's a battle, people attack each other. Darkseid is also proud and arrogant and so he picks up the guy as if to say, "You are nothing but dirt beneath my feet. How dare you enter my presence." This is how Darkseid acts in the cartoons and comics, he is very proud and believes he is superior to all things. 6. The green lantern also DIDN'T stand there to get kicked down. As he was getting up, he raised his left arm to use his ring but Darkseid quickly kicked him back down. 7. The green lantern was also the 1st lantern ever, meaning the first lantern hadn't learned how to make shapes yet and so the power was just raw energy (Zack Snyder himself explained this). 8. Darkseid got pierced by the arrow of Artemis. Artemis was a Greek Goddess just in case you didn't know. Zeus, Ares and Artemis were the old God's on the battlefield who fought Darkseif. If you listened to the story, you would know this. 9. A God was defeated by an Axe, you say? That axe belonged to Ares who was the God Of War. Darkseid is a demigod whereas Ares is an actual God and so it makes perfect sense that an actual God's weapon can defeat a demigod. 10. Darkseid lost a lot of blood from Ares axe and so he fainted and the rest of the army decided to retreat. This is something that also happens in war. You don't notice anything do you? It seems your observational skills went out the window when watching this movie. You also have to consider that marvel properly fleshed out thanos while the old Warner Bros execs at the time didn't even want Darkseid in the movie. They tried to control and change the script every chance they got and so Zack didn't have full creative freedom. When ZSJL was being released, it was just VFX that was being worked on. The only additional photography was the inclusion of the joker at the end.
@@WL1264 Snyder's explanation was that Darkseid was badly injured and that his defeat caused him to lose power and by the time he regained control of his people, too much time had passed for him to remember which of the many worlds that they had tried to conquer had been the one that has the Anti-Life Equation
@@WL1264 Darkseid losing power and him having to regain control is not mentioned in the movie but it would have been brought up in ZSJL2 if Warner Bros had let Zack do a sequel. There are movies that leave unanswered questions and then reveal the answer in the sequel. It's another way of keeping the audience engaged because of the *mystery* and the question of, "What happened?," is on the audiences mind.
@@marvelmedia this is bs. So every single plot problem will be explained in the sequel. You don't even know for sure that they'll explain all this. With this logic the movie is criticism proof. This is some Rian Johnson level logic. If there's something wrong in the movie its intentional and up to the audience to interpret it.
Actually, when you'll look at his eyes, you'll notice but this is Uxas before he gained his Omega powers and became a god of Apokolips. And you can see that Darkseid from later is wearing full armor. In Diana's story, it's just a kid from New Gods who tries to fight almost solo against Ares, Zeus and Artemis- literal Greek gods, supported by Green Lanterns, Atlantians and Amazones.
Only big comic nerds would know that. Bro can't just take a massive L and then act all intimidating. If maybe we'd seen Darkseid actually have a scene where he goes and subjugates a planet before Facetiming Steppenwolf, it would've been clearer that this isn't the guy that got humiliated 5000 years ago
@@thebcwonder4850 Probably everything would be explained later, we need to remember that first JL was about Steppenwolf and had to only tease the Darkseid's story. Snyder himself confirmed that future movies would explain for example how Darkseid forgot on which planet he lost.
Did you expect darkside to be relatable? Have you ever read a comic with darkside? He is literally the god of evil. Next the arrows where shot by a goddess. And this random axt was the weapon of prime Ares. Its like calling Thor's weapon a random hammer. I dont get what your problem is. They needed 3 gods and 1 demigod to beat a weak version of him. Also thanos was also beaten by an axe when he had 6 stones. But somehow you dont complain about that
@@marcosrecio4062 "Seething" Making fun of bad things doesn't stop being fun just because they came out six years ago. ZSJL is still very funny to shit on.
@peacemaster constantly being negative towards a movie that isn’t marvel and is loved by fans from a different franchise is “fun” to you really speaks volume on how toxic and pathetic MCU shills really are
Your points are valid but I think darkseid was supposed to be this way. He is young, reckless and has still not gained the complete control of his homeworld. While Thanos on the other hand has almost 1000 years of military expertise. All his servants worship him like a God. He is a deeply wounded character who has witnessed destruction of his homeworld.
But why make the decision to present Darkseid in that way the first time we meet him if your goal is to build him up as the ultimate threat It makes a lot more sense to have Steppenwolf be the one who was defeated instead, as was seen in Josstice League, as he was actually set up to he a sympathetic villain It's just terrible writing through and through
@@hellotherekenobi2156 Because the film (and the scene) wasn’t about Darkseid. The main theme was about how “the whole world became Justice League” which was supposed to be the theme of the following films. This is the equivalent of seeing Thanos in the post credits scenes of various MCU movies and going “Hmm, he’s just sitting in a chair and wearing a gauntlet saying some vague lines. It’s terrible writing through and through”. Moreover, the actual threatening part was the montage in Cyborg’s vision.
@edilebert Again, that can be achieved to better effect by using Steppendwolf instead which we saw in Josstice League It's not the equivalent to Thanos sitting in his chair. The scenes where Steppenwolf is speaking to Darkseid "on the phone" (so-to-speak) are the equivalent to that If the first time we saw Thanos, he got his ass kicked, it wouldn't exactly build him up to be the big bad he turned out to be would it? It seems you completely missed the point I'm making The audience already subconsciously sees Darkseid as a bitch. The audience subconsciously saw Thanos as a true threat and a badass
@@hellotherekenobi2156 ...unless you want to ship that one scene only to the theatres or Netflix. But it will not play well with the movie's plot, and Snyder’s overall storyline. A lot of his characters are deconstructed in the beginning and then slowly put back in place to move toward a version that is more comic-agnostic. Darkseid starts off as young Uxas, and then a slight teaser at the “Telephone” scene, the vision, and him in person. The following film where he is the main villain starts filling the primary blanks. When scaled down w.r.t. the theme and duration, it **IS** the equivalent of Thanos teasers in the MCU. Moreover, it depends on what the director wants to show, not how MCU did it. Maybe you *can* use the Steppenwolf version, but at the cost of being inconsistent with the Snyderverse (for the lack of a better term).
TBF, at 9:00, it appears the Green Lantern was momentarily off balance when he was dropped by the parademons, which allowed Darkseid to close the distance. And at 9:30, the woman who fires that arrow is literally Artemis, the Greek Goddess of hunting, so I would presume her arrows have some kind of magic/divine effect. Additionally, at 9:50, the axe is wielded by Ares, Greek God of war, who was so powerful he apparently merked the rest of the Greek gods in Wonder Woman's backstory. In terms of his motivation, I think you're doing Darkseid a little dirty. Yes, Thanos' motivation is much more complex in his desire to save the universe from overpopulation in some convoluted plan, but Darkseid is more similar in my opinion to Loki. Darkseid wants to rule not only the universe, but all of existence (he comes from a higher dimension called the Fourth World). This is all down to the fact he is in the DC universe literally the God of Tyranny. He wants people to bow down before him because it is in his nature. If you're saying he lacks a suitable motivation then you could also say that Loki lacks a suitable motivation in the first Avengers film. That whole scene where Loki makes the Germans kneel before him is what Darkseid desires on a much smaller scale. Darkseid seeks Anti-Life because it eliminates free will, meaning he will be the ultimate power in existence. I'm not too sure whether that was explained too well in Justice League, but that's how it works in the comics, anyway. It's a real shame that DC messed up their cinematic universe by rushing so quickly towards an Avengers-style teamup, because I think they have so many great stories to tell (WHY THE FUCK WOULD SNYDER PUT DEATH OF SUPERMAN IN THE LITERAL SECOND MOVIE!? WHY NOT BUILD UP SUPERMAN AS A MESSIANIC LIKE FIGURE OVER SEVERAL MOVIES, SO WHEN HE IS KILLED BY DOOMSDAY IT ACTUALLY CARRIES WEIGHT AND IMPACT.) Like I said, I think higher ups at Warner Bros or DC were too focused on "Let's make an Avengers-style movie to roll in the cash" without realising what Marvel had done in order to build up to that.
MCU Loki is just a younger sibling. He's spent his entire life in his brother's shadow, willing to do anything if it means he can be more than the inferior sibling.
More like "Why MCU fanboys need Snyderverse to continue just so they could have something to shit on". Especially now, when almost everything that MCU has been pumping out lately was hot garbage. Also, I love it how you compare IW where Thanos was the main villain to ZSJL where Darkseid's role was the equivalent of "sitting in his chair and bossing around Ronan" from the first GotG movie. It just shows how you are not biased one bit.
Nobody mentioned anything about the MSheU LOL. Thanos didn't get his ass handed while "sitting in a chair". Darkseid lost to primitives with melee weapons because he charged into battle without a plan. Definitely not the same thing
@@MrShadowSmith >Nobody mention anything about MCU >The entire video is about blindly shitting of Darkseid because "Thanos stronk". You alright there, boah?
@@OverLorD768 "nobody mentioned anything about the MCU"..literally the first thing he typed in his first comment was "MCU fanboys..." 😂🤣🤣. You must be one of those brainless Snydertards then.
If Darkseid had a small role like thanos did in the earlier mcu movies, this comparison wouldn't have happened. But instead he does shit and seems like an idiot.
"Especially now, when almost everything that MCU has been pumping out lately was hot garbage" Well then clearly we don't need Snyder, since the MCU's making shit films now too.
I disagree. I feel that villains can be compelling both with a backstory that lead to their actions, or just to be evil for the sake of evil. Look at Joker for example. He is an extremely loved villain and he literally does what he does just because. Darkseid is an awesome villain as well! His introduction doesn't give him any justice in these movies though. That's also what makes Death and Jack Horner awesome villains! They have no trauma, they just do because.
Easy to agree with the concept of not introducing your main villain being defeated(LOTR made it work). But it's hard to take your criticism seriously when you pretend Darkside wasn't fighting literal gods.
I heavily disagree with the notion that all villains need to be explained, relatable, or understandable. Sometimes villains just wanna destroy shit, and you don’t need to understand them, only appreciate what they offer to the story as an antagonist. Also being so incredulous that Artemis, an Olympian goddess’ arrows hurt Darkseid is just weird, Diana literally introduces the trio as the gods of earth Also the hell do you mean a fucking god was defeated by an axe, ARES IS A GOD, that was him and his axe that took down Darkseid, also you could literally say the same thing. Thanos, a fucking god, was also defeated by an axe. You can make everything sound bad when you remove context.
@@eftultima He looked incredible in all the Infinity War shots. And yeah, Darkseid's animation looks janky as hell, particularly his "come get me bro" pose in front of the cubes.
Loki in MCU was generic evil. Thanos in comics was generic evil, killing to impress Death. Hydra in MCU was generic, ruling everyone just because. Steppenwolf was winning worlds as a punishment by Darkseid. Zod wanted Kryptonians to survive and then took on revenge. Doomsday was a killing machine created by Luthor against Superman. Ares hated his father's love for humans hence influenced the wars. Yeah Marvel villains are so unique.
Lol funny how you basically called mcu villains generic without mentioning their philosophies and dceu villain's shitty motivations as complex (Zod is an exception). Thanos in comics was a conflicted nihilist. And his backstory was massively influenced by Lady Death. Thanos in comics is a much more interesting character than all the dceu characters combined. Steppenwolf was a very shallow character hiding in the shade of Darkseid who is the definition of GENERIC evil. The worst part is that DCEU villains were not fleshed out and intimidating. While most mcu villains are generic(Thanos, Loki, Zemo, Killmonger, Vulture, and Wenwu are exceptions and are incredibly well written and executed), the only good villain in DCEU is Zod. Also Ares was your typical generic evil, even worse he wasn't intimidating and interesting at all. While Loki literally had an entire character arc in Thor 1 where he wanted to prove his capability to ODIN. Hydra literally represents Nazis in mcu. Out of your 7 points only 1 was correct. You seem like a Snyder fanboy.
Darkseid, A NEW GOD, is shot with arrows from a GODDESS ARTEMIS, then ZEUS attacks him with LIGHTING FROM A GOD. Then ARES, GOD OF WAR, hits him with his axe, a GOD'S WEAPON. Darkseid, a new GOD, is defeated by THREE GODS WITH GOD WEAPONS, and not any weapons. They're all gods and should be in equal footing, it's 3 vs 1.
"He didn't keep the coordinates" every single planet and star are not in a constant position. They move very quickly, more than 100,000 km per hour. But yes, their technology (so advanced seems like magic) should track every star and planet
And this is NOT Darkseid's movie. This is the Justice League's movie with Steppenwolf with Darkseid's introduction. It's the same thing with Thanos' cameos in the MCU movies. Thanos' motivation wasn't revealed until Infinity War, the movie where he plays the antagonist. Darkseid hasn't hit that part or role yet. I would say to wait, but with the restart, we'll get a new version.
Oh, it was a god arrow and a god axe? Somehow that doesn't make it any less embarrassing, considering this guy's meant to be the Big Bad of whatever failed cinematic universe Snyder was cooking up.
hahaha but what is this comparison? Darkseid was never set up as Thanos did. ZSJL was its first apparition in what was supposed to be a trilogy. You should have better compared it with the post-credit scene Thanos, to be fair. Darkseid story was never fully developed. Jesus, dude. The opening scene you spend so much time talking about shows Uxas, not Darkseid. There's a lot of story that wasn't told. And because of that a fair comparison needs to rely on source material. I know I know "Why do I need to read comic books? The director should show/tell everything in the movie", well he couldn't so either this analysis requires more context (which I guess inevitably will bring you to the source material and the Uxas/Darkseid distinction, the psychological profile of the war gods of Apokolips - which is completely different to Thanos, hence explaining why their motivations are so different - and so on) or a disclaimer acknowledging that you are comparing two characters in vastly different stages of development.
"There's a lot of story that wasn't told. And because of that a fair comparison needs to rely on source material" No, media analysis should analyse the media in question. You shouldn't have to go google "why was darkseid such a pussy" after watching the movie to understand it, the movie should be well-written enough to explain and justify its own characters and stories.
you're right bro, the man is basically comparing darkseid before he got his get back to thanos when his already ready to box and tired of the f ups. it's not a fair comparison and he said darkseid lost despite other popular villains like sauron losing in a way more pathetic scene and not letting darkseid's character grow.
@@faith4657 Dude, I thought Darkseid looked awesome. Steppenwolf being a weary exile also brought a different humanizing angle to the character than what Whedon made him out to be in the theatrical release. I also loved the part when Darkseid only deigned to hear Steppenwolf when he told DeSaad that he found the Anti-Life Equation (and the Parademons kneeling prior to his actual appearance being the icing on the cake, knowing their lord was coming). Running time aside, the Snyder Cut is far superior to the version WB continues to stand by.
No. With the sole exception of sequels, any piece of media that requires you having to have viewed/read a different piece of media to understand what happens in the story is objectively bad. So unless we were going to get another flashback in a future dceu movie that explained the darkseid/uxas stuff had Zack Snyder been allowed to continue forward, it is bad writing plain and simple. Although him complaining about the fact that Darkeid is simply evil with no sympathetic backstory isn’t fair, since villains don’t need to have a tragic reason for being the way they are to be good villains.
what you see is effectively just an arrow. Which is a massive problem with the whole scene. You have to tell yourself 'oh wait, that's a special arrow', because in the movie is just looks like an arrow. There's no explosion of power, there's no glowy special effects or a loud thundercrack or anything. most of the audience, even if they've seen every DCEU movies, has no idea who the person who shot the arrow even was.... he just suddenly has an arrow sticking out of him and it seems to hurt very much. Movies are visual story telling, which is why people rip exposition dumps so hard. If you want you audience to understand something, they have to see it in what's happening on screen, not be told about it later when they try and make sense of the CGI sludge on-screen. Darksied fails so hard as a villain because what we're being told about him, both during the movie and after the fact, does not mesh with what we're seeing..... which is some cgi idiot getting his ass handed to him because he did a big dumb and brought his space ship into arrow range so he could hit people with an axe. And he never does anything but sit there in the rest of the movie. Thanos was built up, and then we you actually see him in action for the first time, he's laying the smackdown on the fucking hulk, a character who's power level we understand in that moment. And even afterwards he's just calm, collected, in full command of the situation. The audience needs no further explanation, it's a complete 'oh shit' moment. Visual story telling.
@@petriew2018 Im not saying that DCEU darkseid was better than MCU thanos, simply just saying that wonder woman literally said that the warriors of earth AND The old gods, zeus and more
"wasnt that arrow shot by a god" Was it? And why should we care? What's a god in the DCEU? What's a god relative to Darkseid? The movie provides zero context for this stuff, so all we see is a big CG monster getting mortally wounded by an arrow and an axe.
@@peacemaster8117 Wonder woman a literal god literally says the old gods, the humans, atlantians, amazons were all fighting darkseid and that axe dude was Ares
@@petriew2018 who all Thanos did was sit in his chair for literally a quarter of the mcu, also darkseid fought gods that so called arrow you say didn't have special powers despite doing so was shot by an amazon in the beginning of the movie and it travelled all the way from there to where Diana was, that same arrow can one shot darkseid fleet ships that holds over thousands of soldiers not so normal now is it. you're literally comparing Thanos to darkseid while the latter is still in his beginning phase of development how is that fair.
Hear me out Imagine seeing him in Justice League, A Weak mumbling loser who lost to a guy with an axe But then Justice League 2 He kills Aquaman, Wonder woman, Breaks Cyborg, Takes over the world with ease, Kills Lois in front of Superman and Batman I Just think it's cool how they're taking a different approach, Taking a full 180 by lowering out expectations of him but then switching up on us, Too bad we'll never see the full thing
How is he supposed to be scary if his current record is 0-1? This is like Kang apparently being the big bad after getting beat every time he comes on screen.
That kind of writing only works if the character in question is established as weak or joke character in the first place, not the kind of character you're hyping up, so that the moment they get real shit done, it caught us by surprise, this is why The Spot from Across The Spider-verse so effective. Wonder Woman tell us how big threat he is, although he was shown to lose pathetically against earthling in the past, so if anything dude doesn't live up to the hype.
The guy with an axe was Ares and he grew stronger during the war since he's the god of war. Darkseid was supposed to do all that you mentioned above in Justice League 2 save for breaking Cyborg.
I don't see any valid point in your opinion regarding Darkside. Your whole objection is based on personal dislike and not due to poor writing. I don't know anything about comic but from the SC it's well understood that Darkside is ruthless, arrogant, genocidal maniac who doesn't care about anyone or anything. The movie, in it's storytelling perfectly establish that. Please before criting ask yourself whether it's your personal bias talking or not. Your Iron Man and Riri video has this problem too but it's not as extensive as this one. You made some good point there but here it feels like you entirely watched the movie without any audio. There's no need of villians to be all the same misunderstood character or bad bcs bad type . They can be different. Your story just need to hold up the rules you put in.
Darkseid literally forgot where the planet was. As confirmed by zack snyder. What part of that is my opinion??. Please dont ignore my points to dismiss my work when your not even paying attension or providing any valid arguement yourself. If u disgree with my points thats fine but if u dont provide a reasinable counter i cant take u seriously. Im not talking about the comic im talking about his intro . You spell his name wrong and u make points that i literally said in the video against me but im supposed to take u seriously when it sounds like u didnt listen to a word i said lol
I do agree with some of your points, but saying that Darkseid should be relatable to be a memorable villain completely goes against the character right off the bat. Darkseid as a character is not meant to be relatable or sympethic. Do you really think Darth Sidious was relatable? Do you think Heath Ledger's Joker was relatable? Saying that a villain HAS to be relatable, or HAS to sympethic is absolutely bullshit. Sometimes a villain can just be a villain. The flashback scene shows that Darkseid's greatest downfall was his arrogance, as he completely underestimated Earth's defenses. While you're complaining about how Darkseid killing that Green Lantern was to make him look good, was also the same reason of the Russo Brothers for how they introduced Thanos in Infinity War. Thor and Hulk literally got beat up, just to make Thanos look good. The difference between Darkseid in the flashback scene to present day is night and day. Darkseid in the flashback scene was full of arrogance as he believed that Earth's defenses were not as powerful as him and his army. Darkseid in the present day is much more powerful than he was before as he now has his Omega Beams. Where as in the flashback scene, all he had was a spear. Clearly Darkseid went on a quest to obtain a new source of power to make him rival the Old Gods, and waited until he grew in power to return to Earth to wage another war on Earth and take the Anti-Life Equation. Plus you can clearly see that after Steppenwolf gets beheaded by Wonder Woman, DeSaad criticises Darkseid as he tells him, "I told you, Steppenwolf would fail". Darkseid replies to him, "Yes, yes you did". This goes to show you how Darkseid changed from being an arrogant warlord, to a humble and cunning dark lord.
"Do you think Heath Ledger's Joker was relatable?" Yes, what the fuck? Of-course he was. He's an extremely relatable character, that's why he's resonated so much and we now have all these memes about people feeling like the Joker.
peace master once again showing utter toxicity in your inability to let people criticize what you like lol. You are in every thread regarding people that didn’t like the video
@peacemaster8117 if you find the joker in tdk relatable then you are either one of those motivational joker quotes retard or you have some serious mental issues.
I wonder if Thanos fights Hulk the way he does because he *knows* how the Hulk works, so knows that the best way to defeat him is to make him feel so helpless and outmatched that he can't even get angry
Darkseid in the comics and cartoons too has no justification nor reason for conquering universes and planets other than he’s evil because he’s evil. The Thanos in the comics at least had the motivation of impressing the female incarnation of the grim reaper. Darkseid is just evil, nothing more in any media I’ve seen.
Thank God he was only talking about the MCU and DCEU. If he was saying Darkseid was trash in general, i would had personally arrested him for all that malarkey.
i actually think darkseid was great in zack snyder cut. the one you talked about was a young one so it kinda makes sense. but what i liked was the dark future. i mean it showed him literally using SUPERMAN as a puppet and the whole justice league in shambles. thats like if thanos traumatized thor so much that thor just joined him because he was scared of thanos or some shi
That's true, but it's also our introduction to Darkseid. First impressions are everything, and the first impression Darkseid makes isn't a very good one.
Being young only justifies stupid behaviour if you're an idiot. The point is that Darkseid is meant to be a brilliant strategist who is thousands of years old, not some dumb kid who forgets where he left his toys. "thats like if thanos traumatized thor so much that thor just joined him" Yeah, it IS like that. It's embarrassingly stupid.
@HeatForce Him losing is one thing, but he made a bunch of tactical errors and ended up forgetting which planet he invaded (which seems like the kind of thing you might remember).
Not agrees because that is the glimpse of past dark side without omega powers That is more younger version of dark side. That glimpse is for how big That treat is because all protected of earth have to unite to fight him. They gave us future glimpse too When he posses omega kill wonderwomen and aQuaman 🙏
Thanos’s first scene: blue guy smiling. Now tell me why that is better than Darkseid’s introduction? You can’t because they both do the same thing (more or less.) Zack Snyder’s Darkseid has nothing wrong with him, and he has not been developed beyond “bad guy,” much like how Thanos was during his first appearance.
Because Thanos is just smilling not getting his ass kicked (only his army got their ass kicked) by some characters that will just appear for 10 minutes or less.
I remember seeing endgame for the first time and saying; well this was bad while everyone else was coping. It was kinda funny and sad at the same time.
@@galaxyknight7309 I'm also a casual viewer btw. I just thought the plot resolution was botched, as it severely lowered the stakes. The actors were fine, the visuals were amazing, but I personally found the script to be a bit of a "Deus Ex Machina" and it made me sad when its predecessor was the complete opposite. In my opinion, Deus Ex Machina is one of the biggest sins in fiction.
Grabbing a gauntlet and sitting in the chair. I think its fair to say that doesnt give him a significant head start and if anything that highlights dcs poor planning. I think they both had an opportunity but only one made it worth the time
@@jedibrooks7235 Yeah, but Thanos was shown in end credit scenes in movies leading up to Infinity War. And then he has significant screen time in Infinity War and End Game. Whereas in the DCEU, they only find out about Darkseid in Justice League. And only give him a brief scene at the end.
Movie version vs movie version: Thanos doesn't care that anyone knows he's after the Infinity stones and doesn't fear a galaxy uniting to stop him until it's happening in his face. Darkseid is unprepared for a united army on Earth from thousands of years earlier and withdraws to prevent further losses, but continues to scheme in the background. Not enough development of Darkseid in the DCCU to outright claim he sucks, he wasn't really given a chance. Comic Thanos vs Comic Darkseid: I actually don't know this because I've never read the comics, but my minimal understanding is that Thanos only acted when a challenge was present and meaningful enough to do so. Darkseid however never viewed anyone or anything as a threat and was right 99% of the time; only the Justice League ever really gave him pause which resulted in beatdowns on both sides, strong enough to level cities. Character vs Character: Thanos schemes but makes mistakes letting people know he's the one manipulating them all in the background. Darkseid schemes and drags the heroes to near defeat multiple times without them ever knowing he's responsible, and you only know of his involvement right before the climax of the story. Thanos is a challenge waiting to be tackled; Darkseid is a threat that needs to be confronted immediately before everyone dies.
Scheme in the background? Mofo forgot the planet. But he later finds out about them through steppen wolf. But he still refuses to invade earth. Snyder somehow made Darkseid look like an idiot in just two minutes. He forgot earth. Was defeated by wonder womans first villain. Dialog is genetic garbage. And his motivation is just coz he's evil. The mcu kept thanos vague and mysterious. Snyder made him a moron in two minutes.
Probably Heimdall knows that Thor can handle Dead Space better than Hulk can, and for Loki it's probably desperate attempt since he needs to try all the cards he can play
@@kuroakevizago Heimdall has no reason to think Thanos would spare any of them. Loki has illusions, teleportation, invisibility, freezing, but he is trying to stab a titan with a knife...
I mean Thanos only lets Thor live 3 times......surely the god....who survived you that many times wont come back to bite you.....hell you even leave him with the snap lmao Why didnt he use eternity? Thats way less effort than 6 infinity stones......
"hell you even leave him with the snap" I don't think it's ever implied that Thanos is choosing who dies, it's just a random 50% chance for everyone. Thor: Love And Thunder is an extremely bad movie.
My guy yes daekseid from his design to his execution was bad but YOU DO SEE THESE ARROWS & AXE ARE SUPERNATURAL WEAPONS FROM THE GODS OF OLYMPUS RIGHT?? And these gods are more powerful than Darkseid esp the younger version of Darkseid. U had me until that point of your video then u lost me or are u just not familiar with Zeus etc, esp Ares who is peak power in the middle of a battle cos it feeds his strength smdh. Re edit ur video
"YOU DO SEE THESE ARROWS & AXE ARE SUPERNATURAL WEAPONS FROM THE GODS OF OLYMPUS RIGHT" Why, because they're glowing? Everything in the scene is glowing, it's meaningless. If "Zeus etc" are important to the story then they need to be explained to the audience so the scene actually makes sense.
Okay so as far as i know, that is Uxas who is very young and he was fighting against old gods which are way powerful than hulk. Secondly you compared thanos who was brought after a decade of building universe to someone who was shown at last of snyderverse. Now if you compare first appearence of thanos and darkseid you will see how menacingly darkseid ask dessad to ready the armada. He is way more terrifying in that scene than thanos. And if you really want to make comparison here is a better version of darkseid from Justice League Dark: Apokolips
This is exactly what I said. He had a weak argument and did not even talk in specific on why Darkseid was in that position. If we get JL2 (I hope one day), we will be able to compare then between these two characters.
excellent video,good points... in the comics(New Gods,etc)Darkseid(the character is a Kirby 1970s creation,who existed before Thanos)is actually quite devious/clever,who let his lieutenants/minions do the majority of the grunt work... Thanos,in my opinion,is one of the greatest film villians ever written,he was a psychopath,but you could understand his logic/motivations...
I think that This dark side is when he was young so they were showing how he was not ready to be like thanos and use his intellect. He instead was defeated by his pride
Dude, Darkseid had like two minutes of screen time. That’s like comparing Thanos in the post credit scene of Avengers with Loki, saying that Loki’s motivation is better defined. Well duh, because Loki had a whole movie while Thanos just showed up briefly to set him up for a later movie. This is the dumbest comparison I’ve ever heard.
But with that two minutes of Darkseid we got so much garbage from him. You can barely tell anything about from his first few appearances. Marvel was smart. They made it really vague so they can properly flesh him out in his movie. But Snyder went out of his way to show Darkseid losing pathetically the first time we saw him. Also the dialogue is just embarrassing. At one point he puts his arms up and starts saying terrible cliche two dimensional bad guy dialogue. He motivation is just evil. That's it.
@laszlobencebari8677 if that's what you want to call it 🤷♂️ Just a counter lowball to the stated lowball. Regardless and physicals out of the way, Thanos did fail at first. People seem to forget that Loki and Ronan worked for Thanos. Ronan absolutely disrespected Thanos, too. When the invasion of Earth occured, this was before Darkseid became ruler of Apokolips. He was basically a general like Steppenwolf, but most likely a prince too if they followed the canon from the comics. Snyder even repeatedly stated in interviews that this version of Darkseid is Uxas. Uxas doesn't become Darkseid until he gets the omega effect.
Marvel took over a decade to build up Thanos and the universe he existed in, before finally letting him loose. Darkseid was in Justice league, which had a total of two whole movies before he showed up. Now granted, it ended up being re-written, so that fans had to wait about as long for the Snyder cut as Infinity War, but it was still just building off of only two movies, and Darkseid felt just suddenly crowbarred in (Whereas Thanos was built up since 2012). Another sad case of "screw set-up & worldbuilding, I want the payoff now" that so many movies today suffer from.
Humanity had to summon HUNDREDS of people to take down Thanos and still just barely clutched victory at the last second. Darkseid got taken out because someone hit him with an axe.
@@peacemaster8117 so I guess you missed the part where humans, amazons and atlanteans had to unite to repell the first invasion, and Uxas (because that's not Darkseid, that Uxas, he didn't even had his Omega-powers yet) was stoped only when he was bodied by a fucking Zeus, someone who can bitchslap Superman, shot by Artemis, another God, and then hit by a fucking God of War himself, fueled by the biggest battle ever. It's so cool to be a blind hater, isn't it?
@@OverLorD768 Thanos didn't need any powers to genocide Xandar, beat Hulk and Thor, kill Loki, beat Thor, Iron Man, and Captain America at the same time, and break Cap's shield (which has taken blows from Mjolnir without damage), why should Darkseid be scary if he needs the power of evil to not get bullied?
The funny thing is that darkseid is a lot more terrifying than Thanos. Darkseid is pure evil in the comics, Thanos is mainly conflicted because because of mistress death
Wow, I didn't expect you hate the Governor of all villains. Though tbf, his comic book counterpart was simply just a one-dimensional cartoon villain. But whereas TV Governor had some depth to him underneath his psychopathy.
HAD* he had some depth and in that one scene they turned him into clown. I loved the reasonable governor but his super villain arc was lame and forced. Waste of a villain
Snyder should only direct slow motion action scenes. He is NOT a storyteller. Can we please have Nolan's storytelling and Snyder's action scenes in the same movie???
6:58 Then I hate to break it to you but Darkseid is not for you. The bastard is evil because he has no reason not to be. He killed his brother for power. He wants nothing more than the enslavement and conquest of all living things anywhere and everywhere.
Bias is clearly showing. No appreciation for the mythology of DCs Darkseid. The axe was from Ares the God of War. The arrows were from Athens daughter of Zeus and also a goddess of war. Then Zeus struck him too.. so three "gods"! How does the guy not know this??
4:00 - This scene would be way more effective if we didn't see Hulk tank a series of much stronger punches in previous movies from Thor, Hulkbuster, Abomination...here he seems nerfed.
@@peacemaster8117 1. A jet from Avengers shot him at the exact same spot and did nothing. 2. Did you see how destructive Thor's attacks were in Thor 2 compared to Thanos here?
If it has the potential to become a franchise it’ll get ruined. I’ve said this before but greed ruins this stuff everytime. Greed pretty much ruined comics in films. Same things happening to gaming. Once something has been proven to make money (obscene amounts) people who don’t care anything at all about the creation of something and instead care only about profit come along and mess it up, an example being comics in movies. Other situations like where people who wanna use the platform to spread their own message about social topics -Star Wars. Or just as bad, people who don’t like the original creation will get hired to write and won’t put forth real effort -The Witcher. Stuff made by creative types always gets ruined when they grow too big or successful.
Darkseid is a conqueror, he thirsts for battle. He's not like Thanos who is more of the reluctant hero(villain) type also Darkseid is not the main villain...yet. Edit: Thanos wants to save the world. Darkseid wants to conquer/rule the world.
Once again, there is NOTHING heroic about genocide. Especially about commiting said genocide just to prove your idiotic point to everyone. Not to mention we haven't seen a single proof of overpopulation in the entirety of MCU. So no, Thanos was not "saving the world", Thanos was commiting a Universe-scale genocide just to boost his own ego and feel like a hero. And when he found out about Avengers trying to undo his snap in Endgame, he got so butthurt that he attempted to destroy the Universe and redo it in a way so that everyone feel grateful to him.
@@OverLorD768 Good stuff I like pointing out to people, Thanos' plan was less evil than the actual TheWorldIsOverpopulated!!! crowd. Thanos only wanted to eliminate half of humanity while the more ambitious Greetards want something like 90% gone
and yet Darkseid does nothing to achieve his own goals.... when it comes time to get the only thing he needs to rule the universe.... he lazily sends an underling.... but sure, he's the kind of guy who just likes to get his hands dirty, that's why he fucked everything up in round 1..... can you smell the plot contrivance wafting through the air yet? This was always a stupid excuse for the bad writing in the movie.
@@OverLorD768 What I mean by "saving the world" is that that was his implied motivation from the start but he was wrong and diagnosed the entire universe of the wrong disease and then tried to cure it in the most 'effective' way. He saw himself as a hero - the only one with the balls to do the not so obvious right thing- #hero complex. I'm not a fan of genocide either.
I remember the previous phases where for every bad MCU movie there were 4 or 5 that ranged from decent to great. Now it's the total opposite, I can count on one hand the amount of Marvel movies/tv shows I enjoyed in the last 3 years. Feels bad man. DCEU was even worse, thankfully tho we are getting a new direction that hopefully will up the quality because aside for the occasional success it was a complete clusterfuck of horrible ideas and poor management.
You ignored major information during the analysis of this movie. 1.- Darkseid here is a young one, doesn't have the Omega force, is an inexperienced leader, and is full field by blood lust. This explains why he's not using his ships to eradicate everything on the surface of the planet, he wants to fight and destroy them by his own hands. 2.- The axe that defeated Darkseid is the axe of Hares, the God of War, helped by his father Zeus and wounded by magic arrows thrown by the Amazon Queen. It doesn't show the villain as weak, it does the opposite, that literal gods had to combine forces only to defeat a YOUNG and WEAK version of the main villain. 3.- If you know something about the astronomic position, is that space CAN'T have coordinates when we talk about celestial distances, this happened thousands of years ago, enough to make an enormous distance between the place the planet was when Darkseid found it and eventually lost it.
I didnt ignore any of that. Why wasnt all that in the film is the question you need to ask. I said his portrayal was stupid but if u want to write for zack and add everything it needs then im sure it would have been nuch better But instea we gpt a meathead who got stabbed by an axe
@@jedibrooks7235 All that I've mentioned, except for the part about the celestial distances, is in the movie. We've seen the gods before, we've seen Hippolyta, and we see Darkseid using the Omega force in the future and not in the past, which tells you that he didn't have it by that time. I'm not writing anything for Snyder, I'm paying attention to what he tells me in the movie explicit or implicit. 1.- You can even see the differences between Uxas (or a young version of Darkseid) and Darkseid in the present and in the future. He is taller, and his eyes glow in power, he is not afraid of the JLA and doesn't attack immediately by crossing the portal, even though he has a chance. 2.- The Greek Gods were presented in Wonder Woman, Hippolyta too, that includes the powers that each one has, so if you see Ares destroying Darkseid, you can't say "Oh no, he was defeated by a normal axe" cause they show you that the one who defeats him is 7 feet tall, his hands are glowing and is fighting along Zeus.
Not going to go into how to better write him as a character, but there's a painfully, comically easy way to re-write the fight itself to actually, I feel, preserve Darkseid's Intimidation factor; First off have more than 1 Lantern, have it be that they are the one's leading this fight, having gotten some natives to help and temporarily given them advanced technology designed around their existing weapons because they know this is an All Hands on Deck situation. The Lanterns are so terrified of Darkseid that they are willing to throw entire Species at him as Cannon Fodder. But even with that, have Darkseid and his army be utterly trouncing them. Until a full on Battle Fleet of Kryptonians, led by actual literal General Zod himself arrive to help. Have a scene where 3-4 Dozen Kryptonians straight up Burly Brawl with Darkseid and still lose, until the final fight is Zod himself having to go 1-v-1 with Darkseid, ALSO LOSE, until some timely and self-sacrificing interventions from the Lanterns, Amazons and Atlantians give him the opening he needs to injure Darkseid. Not kill, just injure and force to retreat. This would also have the upside of retro-actively justifying why Clark got sent to Earth. Jor-El read about Earth as a habitable planet Kryptonians can live on, so he sent Clark there intentionally. Probably still a shit intro but better, and not bad for like ~3-5 minutes of thinking about it.
its a great scene you described , but it wouldnt have fitted in the movie. the point of this amcient war was to show Uxas (young overconfident darkseid before he got his powers) , making all this a bit exaggerated. but i would like it in a future movie with full on darkseid. also i believe that your undermining the original scene from the movie. all peoples of earth united to fight this baby darkseid , he defeated a green lantern in seconds. many cool shots too , like Uxas trying to catch the lantern ring. also how Uxas was defeated , he was stunned by an atlantean attack , then his weopon was heated up by Zeus. then Aries (who gets his power from war , so he is now crazy op) jumps on him cutting through his axe. also isnt it cool that despite all these fierce attacks , powerless "darkseid" was not killed nor fatally injured, a full powered aries could barely pierce half his edge through Uxas's skin.
In response to the comment about a villain only being someone you can invest in when they're logical as opposed to random acts of violence, I have to point out that it depends on what you mean by "invest in". A villain who cannot be reasoned with or a villain who has no line they won't cross at any moment if they themselves are crossed or failed, or someone who's mental state is teetering on the edge and they can go off the deep end at any moment can be very threatening if their actions then present a threat and/or those moments of insanity follow on from something logically that the hero did. For example, you used a clip of the Governor from the Walking Dead shooting all of his men. In that season, he went from a seemingly benevolent leader to revealing that he was desperately holding on to what he lost when the world was overrun with Walkers. He was deluded in thinking that his zombie daughter was still alive, but he still wanted to protect his people and create the safest sanctuary and the closest thing to the civilization we once had. However, that delusion of his daughter and what he would do to keep her "alive" informed what he was capable of and how merciless, remorseless and almost psychopathic he could be when pushed. As the season goes on, we see the "benevolent leader" persona get slowly broken down as he tries desperately to play it off and maintain his intimidation factor with enemies like Rick and our cast of characters. Couple that with how he punishes and disposes of people he kills by throwing them alive into a pit of Walkers he keeps in a field, we see him get less and less sane as his people begin to lose faith and trust in him as a leader and begin to fear him. Then you get to the end of the Season where he and a group of soldiers he takes to kill Rick and his group are repelled almost perfectly because of his own overestimation of his strength. As he and his group flee to regroup, the loyalty of most of his soldiers (who're mostly just enlisted townspeople) is broken as they don't want to throw their lives away fighting a group just trying to defend themselves. Then the Governor snaps completely in the clip you played. He doesn't even appear angry, he appears completely vacant and dead as he pulls the trigger on every member of his crew who appears afraid and disloyal, only sparing that one guy you see holding the machine gun backed up against that car as he is surprised, but shows no sign of disloyalty. By the end of this Season and into the 4th Season, he is fueled by nothing but a single-minded hatred of Rick. He manages to amass dozens of soldiers and even gets a functional tank to force Rick and his group out of the Prison Complex they're holed up in, and Rick offers to put aside everything they've fought over the last Season and allow the Governor and his new group to move into a different cell-block in the same prison, so that in Rick's words "We wouldn't even have to see each other. Not until we were ready. We can survive together". But as much as the Governor recognizes Rick's offer and has a moment of consideration at the proposal, his hatred of Rick takes over again and without even speaking loudly enough for anyone to hear it (saying it to himself) he simply says "Liar..." and chops Herschel's head off, initiating the full scale shootout between his men and Ricks', taking a very close friend from Rick in a brutal and gory fashion for no practical reason other than to cause him pain. The Governor went off the deep end. His decisions were no longer driven by a logical goal to preserve his own life or the lives of his men or his people. He was fueled by nothing but a primal, violent hatred and bloodlust for Rick, and THAT made him the best and most dangerous villain of the series, at least when put against the complete arcs of other villains, not just individual highlight scenes and lines of dialogue
Hmmmm I don't think Darkseid sucked. In the scenes compared, thanos scene was definitely better. Snyder's vision of Darkseid will unfortunately not be realised which makes it pretty hard to compare them ultimately. If it comes to imposing threat, Darkseid's presence is felt much more than Thanos is in the earlier mcu movies.
you spent most of the video talking about Uxas's defeat on earth, but it is not fair to consider Uxas the same as darkseid. additionally i dont think its fair to compare thanos in his own movie (infinity war) vs darkseid in ZSJL (barely 3 mins appearance). but i find your opinion on pure evil darkseid interesting , because i actually think that its good. when a cliche villain is just evil for corrupt and convenient reasons and then gets defeated by tthe end of the movie , i do think thats cringe. but i like that darkseid isnt "Actually trying to do good" no , he is pure evil. he wants to win his war and he will burn the universe for it. he attends wonder womans funeral , stabs aquaman on his throne, and gets superman (humanity's hope) to turn evil. absolutely cold.
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Seeing scenes from old Marvel movies is bittersweet, because they remind me of those great movies while at the same time bringing the realization that those days are gone. How a franchise fell so far in such a short time span is mind blowing.
Yep to that.
Greed pretty much ruined comics in films. Same things happening to gaming.
Honestly I blame pandemic. It scarred Marvel somehow
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The craziest part is that Darkseid in the books and animations is much more similar to movie thanos, cold, calculated, and ruthless, and philosophical while Thanos in the books and animations is much more “The Mad Titan” world burning maniac that Darkseid is in the DCEU 😂
You need to read more Prime Thanos. The Jim Starlin Books. Thanos Quest, Infinity Gauntlet : War, Crusade, Relativity, Revelation and Finale. Just to name a few. ALL are the Calculating, Complex Titan. Far more so than the posturing near pycho Darkseid. Unlike Darkseid, Thanos Actually has character. Darkseid is your typical " megalomaniac".
@bronzetiger6360 he's the og megalomaniac. Thanos for the mcu was fine, but i prefer the attitude of thanos from the alternate timeline. The only issue i had with the 'main' thanos was his snapping away half of life was illogical. They took a cool panel from the comic and made it his goal. How did they even know he had to snap?
The Mad Simp
@Agent-57 yeah before the pandemic popularized the term simp, I still saw him be called a simp
1:02 who is this
Just wanted to chime in that “no resurrections this time” after he kills Loki is one of the coldest lines in the MCU and cemented that scene as excellent.
It was also confirmation to the audience that this time Loki really was dead. He was saying it as much to us as he was to Loki, as we'd become so accustomed to him faking his death
Yeah,and now they're already on season 2 of his show kek
@@marcosrecio4062not the same loki tho
@@vsezaye same character,same personality,same actor
@@marcosrecio4062 still not same Loki...the loki that only been through new york battle
realizing we'll never get this from marvel again brings a tear to my eye
Me as well. 😢
In Marvel's defense, no studio in the history of cinema managed to do what they did and in the time it was done. 20+ movies in 10 years all weaving into a collective narrative. It was lightning in a bottle and Marvel was there to bottle it, market it and thrive from it.
I liken it to the iPhone, which changed the world but we've yet see a single piece of tech in the last 15+ years that had the same global effect and surprise. Sure, there was the iPad that also changed computing but that's basically just an extension of the iPhone. Clearly the iPad was a landmark device but nothing like the iPhone.
My point is that Marvel did the impossible and now we're all expecting them to do that with every movie when it's just not possible. Having said that, Marvel's about to get their second wind with the worlds of the X-Men, Fantastic Four and Blade, so greatness is still within their grasp. Again, nothing, absolutely nothing will ever compare to the Infinity Stone saga but it's possible that Marvel will have its iPad moment.
I also believe we're a jaded audience and expect world-bending, life-changing content on a regular basis when nothing really works like that. But I digress. There's no question that Marvel won the comic book movie war and no matter how things turn out going forward the Infinity Stone saga has no rival.
@@incredibilistic Too bad ESG had to be invented and they had to dilute the priority list with other things apart from telling a good story.
Well, be happy that it happened.
@@egonne2316 Can be hard at times to do that considering that some overt defenders call any and all criticism of it now bigoted.
Another interesting thing about that scene with Thanos is compare the quality of CGI to what we're getting today. That does not look like CGI, Thanos has a physicality to him that makes him look real, it's far easier to suspend belief for a CGI character of that quality than someone like She-Hulk, for example. Not only the effect, the voice acting is head and shoulders above all subsequent phases. Josh Brolin absolutely nails it, conveying a sense of command and power with every line uttered, leaving the audience in absolutely no doubt as to the threat Thanos poses. It's a stark reminder of how far Marvel has fallen.
I mean if you look a Brolin filming it literally was his head and shoulders. He did mocap with a Thanos face printout on a stick like a foot above his head.
Heh, STARK reminder. Okay, I’ll shut up.
Disbelief, you have to suspend disbelief in order to "believe"in the movie.
It's not even about what year it came out. It's about how little companies care about compensating or giving their animation studios time to do their job.
they switched the alien eye seen in avenger 1 to a more human-like eye for that
The real darkseid would have slowly floated menacingly toward his target as his army kills everything around him and anything that manages to gets past his armies gets sniped by his omega beams without him even looking at them. The only time darkseid would bother going melee is if the opponent is powerful enough to somewhat match him and he is trying to crush the hopes of his enemies by crushing this strong opponent.
Naw these are facts but I think this is the young darkseid that didn't have the beams yet but later he had them
@@nyleo6769yeah it's before he gets the omega force, probably why he tried to take a green lantern ring
@@nyleo6769Yeah that is a thing in comics that he attained the omega force later on, makes some sense that he wasnt unbeatable yet especially by beings probably comparable to kryptonians
@@ultron1423 Uxas is Darkseid's proper name, but more to the point, where in the movie does it refer to him as Uxas? In the credits, the guy that voiced him is credited as Darkseid with no mention of Uxas. In the scene introducing him, Wonder Woman calls him Darkseid. Why would she call him Darkseid when Earth's protectors only previous interaction with him is when he went Uxas? Did Snyder not read the script? The only mention of him being Uxas is in some tweet Snyder posted, but nowhere in the movie and its credits.
Regardless, if he had the Omega Force, he would've still hovered in there and stayed levitating while the Parademons fight off the Amazons, Atlanteans and Men. Then took what he needed and bounced. He definitely wouldn't have bitched out after an axe to the shoulder. It doesn't make any sense for him to have that stony look pre-Omega Force since the Omega Force is what made him look like that. The New Gods are all aware of the Green Lanterns and Guardians.
@@bIametheniIedidn't they pull him away?
It's nice to see a breakdown of that Thanos V Hulk fight. My jaw was on the theater floor. What an incredible way to finally introduce Thanos. Beats the shit out of Thor, kills half his people, beats the shit out of Hulk, blows up ship and portals away casually while not looking at the explosion of course. All he needed was sunglasses.
I still think Hulk was badly nerfed to make thanos look good for that scene. Unless it's canon that Hulk got weaker with every MCU film which is somehow plausible though it shouldn't be.
@@revolverswitchthe only consistent character trait that hulk had was that he gets nerfed in pretty much every movie. I think what they tried hinting at is that Hulk resents banner so much that he refuses to help or holds back to make banner feel as miserable as possible. But they never developed this idea so that’s giving them too much credit.
@@revolverswitchIt may feel that way, but even in the books that the movies are based on, Hulk and Thanos are very close in raw strength. Of course Hulk's strength exponentially increases with rage, we all know this, but Thanos doesn't drag the fight out long enough for this to happen.
@@xshadowzoneWhich is why I think it would have been cooler to see a round two where Hulk wasnt sulking inside Banner but at least we still have stories that treat Hulk right as a complex and endearing brute who refuses to back down.
@@xshadowzone hulk is physically stronger than thanos. He’s the physical strongest character in the entire marvel universe
Would be interesting to compare Darkseid to Sauron, who also is defeated in a prologue. Though our protagonists are hobbits, not superheroes, and we see how terrifying Sauron can be through the ring, Nazgul and Saruman.
in this case it would be the context of the movies.
In Lord of the Rings, the point was that good wins through tenacity, that you have to keep going even in the face of despair. Sauron is strong, but he's beatable, if you can find the strength and courage to see it through.... which the humans didn't in round 1.....
in Justice league? yeeeah, just stick an axe in Darkseid, nothing really that complicated. He'll then have a 10,000 year brain fart. The moral being..... wait for a god to come bail you out? plot convenience is the most powerful force in the DCEU? who knows really, it's a Chris Terrio script, so looking for meaning is kind of pointless anyway....
@@petriew2018 An axe holded by a literal god, a god that caused WW1, so powerful that Diana needed a power up to defeat him, yeah, obviously it was just the axe :v
@@TheFoshaMan as far as the movie communicated to you in the moment... yeah, actually, just as an axe as far as the vast majority of the audience actually knew. They never identified the olympian gods as olympian gods. Maybe if they'd have spent a few minutes setting that up properly, had Darkseid trade a few blows to show what the power levels practically were, that scene would have worked
The ultimate failure with the Snyder cut on just about every level is Snyder had this vast, complicated, sprawling story he wanted to tell.... and completely forgot the audience didn't have his notes to consult when trying to figure out what the actual fuck was going on. Snyder got so caught up in his own mythology he forgot to make an actual movie.
The core problem with the entire Snyderverse. Snyder is always more concerned about his next movie, not laying the foundation to make it make sense. What Snyder thought he was showing you and what he was actually showing you are two vastly different things when it comes to his DCEU movies....
@@petriew2018yeah, as far as we know that was just an axe. Despite Darkseid being shot by lightning, shot by a magical arrow, and being attacked by an actual fucking green lantern, it clearly wasnt obvious that the axe guy wasnt a normal human.
No, it was obvious, Darkseid got overpowered by 3 greek gods (Artemis, Zeus, and Ares I believe).
Also, if I'm not mistaken, Darkseid didnt attack earth for thousands of years BECAUSE he was scared of the power of these gods and other powerful warriors on earth. Now with all those protectors gone, he comes back to finish the job.
It's not clear why Thanos didnt attack earth again for 10 years, and yet that's glossed over, but Darkseid not coming back for a while is constantly nitpicked.
@@petriew2018Snyder made awful DC movies but the Snyder cut isn't one of them, it's clear he's fighting Gods because most people don't shoot lightning or have glowing hands, Aries is in-between Artemis and Zeus, and gets Zeus to hold his axe as he puts on his helmet, I'm sorry but if you think that doesn't make it clear he's a good idk what short of a 5 hour cut will. Also it's clear darkseid doesn't even have the omega-force yet, so a nerfed to all hell darkseid lost to the combined effort of Earth strongest forces unified. Seriously complain about a bad DC Snyder film: there's way more of those and they're all so easy to hate
An interesting perspective to thanos's first line , " I know what it's like to fail , to desperately think that you're right and yet to fail nonetheless " : I think it highlights the struggle he faced to save his own planet , Titan. He thought he was right about the fair and free genocide of half of his people. But his planet did fail nonetheless. Good writing is scarce this days.
His idea was never implemented. All he was able to do was argue. It's only after the collapse he predicted occurred that he actually got to test his idea.
He fail to convince is people and save them so the idea is not wrong@@John-fk2ky
@@fernandolombardi4701the idea is objectively wrong as it does not prevent resource consumption. Even with the infinity stones why the fuck didn’t he just give every planet infinite resources. I can think of at least 3 different ways he could’ve done this. And the infinity stones allowed him to do literally anything he could think of. So is thanos just stupid?
In the JL movie, as far as I know, they don't even show the iconic Darkseid pose where he keeps his hands behind his back. I'm not a comic book expert, but I always loved that pose, as it serves as a subtle way to show us that Darkseid has no fear and doesn't care about casualties, without needing him to say that out loud. Usually, the villain just tells the audience they're not scared, but actions speak louder than words. It's simple, but makes him more intimidating.
Not true, though. Darkseid, in his classic pose, witnesses the death of Steppenwolf in the final arch
He strikes the pose during Wonder Woman’s funeral.
They actually did you dumbass
He does the pose twice but very briefly.
He quite literally does that poll twice if you didn't watch the movie just say that
Forever grateful that the DC animated movies exist cause holy fuck the DCEU is an abomination.
the cartoons are starting to go sideways too, esp the tomorrow verse.
@@wambokodavid7109 still they aren't directionless like DCEU. Tomorrowverse may have mistakes but DCEU was a total blunder!
Install a brain first
This must be fake. Darkseid always fights with his hands behind his back and just kicks the shit out of people.
i think having a character be bad because their bad needs to have some meaning ig. i feel like not all villain’s motives need to be relatable and justified. Sometimes you can have a villain be bad because they want to be bad or they’re legitimately psychotic. I get his opinion tho.
i dont agree
Yeah, though their characters, motives, and actions still need to be shown as bright as day while also be entertaining at the same time.
Joker, Palpatine, Hannibal Lecter, Patrick Bateman, Sauron, Maleficent, Scar, Claude Frollo, Big Jack Horner, Bill Cipher, Syndrome, Joffrey Baratheon, The High Evolutionary I could go on, are all prime examples.
Thanos is "relatable" and "justified" !? For whom ? Genocidal maniacs ? No, it's called having a character with intelligence and depth. It's called having a reason behind the motive. Otherwise, why have a sentient character at all. Might as well make a movie about fighting animals and natural disasters.
Fantastic comparison video.
Its sad how poorly Darkseid was handled. Meanwhile Thanos was built up properly and made even casual Marvel fans like me care about him.
But the problem with this video is that ZS's Justice League was *still* building up to Darkseid.
Comparing a movie that was doing the *"setting up"* to another movie that fully showed the character was literally doing apples and oranges.
@@user-iy7jo7bq4f exactly. A better conparision would be thanos sitting in his rock chair .
@@marcosrecio4062 this
@@user-iy7jo7bq4fNah. Having your big bad get so utterly defeated and humiliated in his first appearance ain’t it. Snyder guys like to apologize for it but I’m a DS fan since I was a kid and hated that introduction. Fortunately the failure of the Snyderverse is over and hopefully the DCU will be much better.
@@user-iy7jo7bq4f But it doesn't build him up, it tears him down. He starts out looking cool, but by the end of the prologue you've lost any interest in the guy. The exact opposite of how Thanos' pre-Infinity War cameos worked.
Around the 6 minute mark, I had completely forgotten about Darkseid. I just love good writing.
Reminder that Darkseid got his ass beat so bad by characters he would normally trounce with ease that he forgot where the Anti-Life Equation (😂😂😂😂) was.
Literal gods? Didnt thanos got his ass handed to him by Thor like 3 times?
@@marcosrecio4062you mean the time he got 1 hit on him because he surprise attacked him with a super powerful new weapon or the time he killed an injured version of him that was being restrained by 3 avengers including captain marvel because they burst through his walls in his log cabin while he was making breakfast? Because other than that all I can remember is Thanos winning a 3v1 against iron man, cap and thor (who’s also a god), and Infinity war beginning with thor being beat the fuck up already. What you’re saying happened literally just didn’t… like at all. This video is all about effective introductions and the one darksied gets has him getting his ass handed to him by Ares, a guy Wonder Woman shit on in her first movie.
@@eugenekrabs6400 Ares was not trying to kill her,then when he did,she used his own attack against him.
@@berengustav7714 “he hit her with everything he had and she blocked it… then killed him”
She gets a second wind like in every lame superhero fight at the end of the movie and kicks his ass. She clinks her bracelets together and knocks him down while he’s coming at her with everything, then he charges up a super move and she easily deflects it. She’s literally supposed to be the god killer in the film. If you think that in any way the writer or director’s intent with that scene was to communicate that Diana wasn’t strong enough to defeat Ares and that she merely got lucky then you’re dumb as shit.
@berengustav7714 You're missing the point. It makes Darkseid look weak to be beaten by a villain Wonder Woman already defeated. It translates subconsciously to the audience as, this guy is weaker than Wonder Woman and that's all that really matters
Thanos' intro was so potent because he casually kills a villain who the Avengers had a really tough time with on their first outing, is on the verge of easily killing Thor (established as one of the strongest characters in the MCU) and mono e mono dismantles Hulk (arguably the most powerful hero in the MCU at that point). Every time Hulk was called in in the past (like he was in this scene), the villains shit themselves
The fact that Thanos easily destroys Hulk in seconds immediately tells the audience that this guy is something we've never seen before
Darkseid just gets embarrassed and made to look like a fool
The only thing that I'd disagree with is that the monkey didn't seem to just forget how his power works; you can see him focus on his fallen comrade, reaching out as his face contorts with grief, freezing before he is dispatched by Darkseid. That they made a Green Lantern that emotionally fragile to the point of disregarding approaching certain death, despite all their combat training still seems like BS, just of a slightly different flavor. So I think the same conclusion certainly holds. And it does pale before the impact of Darkseid's choice of actions as you laid out here.
Thanos could have started collecting the infinity stones at any time, but he knew the most powerful forces in the universe would spring together to stop him as soon as they realised what he was doing... so he bides in time until this moment, when he knows the location of every single one and can collect them in one fell swoop, met only with rushed defenses like those on Titan and Wakanda, and it paid off! If he didn't collect them in one rush like this, someone like Thor would have found a way to kill him, without question (as we see right at the end of the movie... just slightly too late)
Ok good points but you must admit that this is like comparing the chair sitting Thanos to the infinity war Thanos. Of course, darkseid in justice league is half baked, because frankly it's basically the 3rd movie in the cinematic universe. DC is to blame for not managing the build up properly, but if they'd curated their movie line ups with more care and time, we might have gotten something better. Also it's a flashback scene meant to give us a brief glimpse into the event that came before. You could just as easily nitpick the Sauron scene from the opening scene in fellowship for being so easily defeated by a mere human with his sword.
Warner Brothers is to blame for not taking the DCU universe seriously and interfering with the project.
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They were in a lose-lose situation to begin with. Every DisMarvel fan was gonna endlessly bash on the DC films regardless if they were actually good or not.
I'm curious, was Darkseid EVER given relatable motivations like Thanos? I'm not proficient in comic lore, but I've seen some JLA and the Justice League animated movies and I never recall him having relatable motivations. I do recall in one of the movies he captures Supergirl and tries to convert her but Batman threatens to blow up Apocalypse if Darkseid doesn't let Supergirl go so Darkseid relents, promising to let them go. Were there any other instances where Darkseid had relatable motivations?
No. Tho is an evil god who wants to control all life on Earth. And in the comics Thanos wants to marry Death.
Darkseid is more a representation of pure tyranny, more of a symbolic villain, MCU Thanos is meant to be a more relatable villain, while Darkseid is more classic and larger than life, his motivation comes from his natural desire for tyranny and oppression.
That is true. Though I wish Zack Snyder introduced Darkseid properly.
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That was the fault of WB letting Whedon butcher the project in order to be more like his previous employer, Marvel.
Nah, Sauron was also introduced when he was defeated, same as Voldemort and yet they kept being a threat that felt could return at any moment and stronger than before. And worse for Sauron, being defeated by losing his fingers and Voldemort to a baby... Darkseid had to be defeated by three old gods, a lantern and the king of Atlantis.
And the fact that we even have visions of the future on how he is going to win, killing two members of the league and controlling Superman is what reaffirms how powerful and dangerous he has become.
Meanwhile Thanos real intro was in Avengers just looking at the camera and smiling. And then in Guardians saying some stereotypical villain lines on his chair, just to be taken as a fool by Ronan. If that's the case, Darkseid's intro is still the better one.
Visions don't mean anything, maybe show him doing stuff in the present to make him scary. Also Thanos was just giving a dead stare at Ronan, like "you done yet?".
@@thebcwonder4850 Then Sauron's visions about the Shire being destroyed and everyone being enslaved don't mean anything either? Of course they do count. And in here we have seen not only that he has won but how he does it. We see him killing Aquaman and Vulko with the Omega beams and controlling Superman after killing Lois.
And we saw him doing a gigantic fire symbol with just one blow to the ground, then killing a Green Lantern like nothing, recieving arrows (that can destroy a whole space ship) to the chest and be okay and even stopping Zeus lightning bolts.
@@Vesohag He ignored how both the arrow and axe came from Artemis and Ares respectively. Ares also draws power and energy from war thus grows exponentially stronger
@@hamizanyunos1502 That's right. We see how an arrow of her can destroy a huge ship, yet he got one to the chest and was hurt but still got to just pull it out like nothing. And yes, Ares was super strong then with such a battle happening.
@@Vesohag He just ignores the context of the entire fight who were actual Gods and we have seen their feats in both the movie and for Ares the previous Wonder Woman film.
I have to say while I enjoyed Infinity War and Endgame, they heavily neutered Thanos by not giving him his energy manipulation and force fields while Snyder had explained in an interview that Darkseid was still Uxas thus has not gained the omega effect yet that is why his eyes are not Golden Yellow in the fight against Greek Gods.
Do we really know for sure that Darkseid shat himself? Seriously, though, the most potent villains are the calmest ones - Thanos, Hannibal Lecter, Darth Vader, Anton Chigurh.
9:47 correction: it was Ares' axe not a random human
While the whole point is missed in that part of Jedi´s video, its also the movie´s fault not to be clear about the old gods, I mean, to everyone that knows about DC Comics this result is not a surprise because Artemis, Zeus and Ares should be enough to beat pre-omega beams Darkseid by themselves, but to new watchers they just seem like random dudes.
@@SpookyTree255 they literally have wonder women say "Zeus and his son ares" while showing the obvious Zeus character give the giant dude an axe. It's pretty obvious who Ares was supposed to b
This video just reminded me why I love Infinity War (2nd only to Civil War). Truly lightning in a bottle. And a good reminder of how to make truly memorable villains. Some of my favorites have interesting and unique things about them: Sauron was absolutely terrifying not just in the intro, but throughout as he was an ever present threat that twisted the minds of our heroes; Cell, an absolutely chilling intro and a masterclass performance by Dameon Clarke; Thrawn is the embodiment of "brain winning out against brawn" and I loved him from back when I first read Heir to the Empire in Middle School (back in the early 2000s); Doflamingo being one of the most twisted people in his machinations (loved him so much, I cosplayed as him for Halloween, feather cape and all); Scarecrow (as I'm a Psych major myself) using fear to control people, which is far more terrifying (pun intended) than any amount of physical strength; and Handsome Jack (again with Dameon Clarke, I know) being equal parts charisma and sadism in one glorious package.
Great stories require great heroes and even greater villains for them to face. Those are the ones that stick with you.
You don't really notice things do you?
1. Darkseid decided to do the ritual on the battlefield because *the anti-life equation was located within the dirt of the battlefield*
2. A warrior or warlord also doesn't look for safety and comfort. Safety and comfort is not a concept that makes a warrior or warlord.
3. Why would Darkseid be protecting his crew on the battlefield? The majority of his crew are parademons and these parademons are genetically altered as they were originally slaves from planets Darkseid conquered in search of the anti-life equation. Darkseid doesn't care about the parademons because they are expendable. He has conquered 100,000 worlds, meaning he has lots of slaves turned parademons to spare.
4. The science so advanced that looks like magic is THE MOTHERBOX themselves!!! It's not the sorcerers or the flying ships. The motherboxes were also *in the process of merging* which mean't that it couldn't be used for other offensive purposes at the time.
5. Darkseid grabbed the guy to lift him up because the guy ran towards him to attack him. It's a battle, people attack each other. Darkseid is also proud and arrogant and so he picks up the guy as if to say, "You are nothing but dirt beneath my feet. How dare you enter my presence."
This is how Darkseid acts in the cartoons and comics, he is very proud and believes he is superior to all things.
6. The green lantern also DIDN'T stand there to get kicked down. As he was getting up, he raised his left arm to use his ring but Darkseid quickly kicked him back down.
7. The green lantern was also the 1st lantern ever, meaning the first lantern hadn't learned how to make shapes yet and so the power was just raw energy (Zack Snyder himself explained this).
8. Darkseid got pierced by the arrow of Artemis. Artemis was a Greek Goddess just in case you didn't know. Zeus, Ares and Artemis were the old God's on the battlefield who fought Darkseif. If you listened to the story, you would know this.
9. A God was defeated by an Axe, you say? That axe belonged to Ares who was the God Of War. Darkseid is a demigod whereas Ares is an actual God and so it makes perfect sense that an actual God's weapon can defeat a demigod.
10. Darkseid lost a lot of blood from Ares axe and so he fainted and the rest of the army decided to retreat. This is something that also happens in war.
You don't notice anything do you?
It seems your observational skills went out the window when watching this movie.
You also have to consider that marvel properly fleshed out thanos while the old Warner Bros execs at the time didn't even want Darkseid in the movie. They tried to control and change the script every chance they got and so Zack didn't have full creative freedom. When ZSJL was being released, it was just VFX that was being worked on. The only additional photography was the inclusion of the joker at the end.
OK why did he forget earth?
@@WL1264 Snyder's explanation was that Darkseid was badly injured and that his defeat caused him to lose power and by the time he regained control of his people, too much time had passed for him to remember which of the many worlds that they had tried to conquer had been the one that has the Anti-Life Equation
@@marvelmedia is this in the movie?
@@WL1264 Darkseid losing power and him having to regain control is not mentioned in the movie but it would have been brought up in ZSJL2 if Warner Bros had let Zack do a sequel.
There are movies that leave unanswered questions and then reveal the answer in the sequel. It's another way of keeping the audience engaged because of the *mystery* and the question of, "What happened?," is on the audiences mind.
@@marvelmedia this is bs. So every single plot problem will be explained in the sequel. You don't even know for sure that they'll explain all this.
With this logic the movie is criticism proof.
This is some Rian Johnson level logic. If there's something wrong in the movie its intentional and up to the audience to interpret it.
Actually, when you'll look at his eyes, you'll notice but this is Uxas before he gained his Omega powers and became a god of Apokolips. And you can see that Darkseid from later is wearing full armor.
In Diana's story, it's just a kid from New Gods who tries to fight almost solo against Ares, Zeus and Artemis- literal Greek gods, supported by Green Lanterns, Atlantians and Amazones.
Only big comic nerds would know that. Bro can't just take a massive L and then act all intimidating. If maybe we'd seen Darkseid actually have a scene where he goes and subjugates a planet before Facetiming Steppenwolf, it would've been clearer that this isn't the guy that got humiliated 5000 years ago
@@thebcwonder4850 Probably everything would be explained later, we need to remember that first JL was about Steppenwolf and had to only tease the Darkseid's story. Snyder himself confirmed that future movies would explain for example how Darkseid forgot on which planet he lost.
Did you expect darkside to be relatable? Have you ever read a comic with darkside? He is literally the god of evil.
Next the arrows where shot by a goddess. And this random axt was the weapon of prime Ares. Its like calling Thor's weapon a random hammer.
I dont get what your problem is. They needed 3 gods and 1 demigod to beat a weak version of him.
Also thanos was also beaten by an axe when he had 6 stones. But somehow you dont complain about that
Hes a marvel slop consumer still seething about a 2017 movie
His whole video is like he's ignoring what's going on while watching like a fourth grader
@@marcosrecio4062 "Seething"
Making fun of bad things doesn't stop being fun just because they came out six years ago. ZSJL is still very funny to shit on.
@@peacemaster8117 what is a ZSJL
@peacemaster constantly being negative towards a movie that isn’t marvel and is loved by fans from a different franchise is “fun” to you really speaks volume on how toxic and pathetic MCU shills really are
Your points are valid but I think darkseid was supposed to be this way. He is young, reckless and has still not gained the complete control of his homeworld.
While Thanos on the other hand has almost 1000 years of military expertise. All his servants worship him like a God. He is a deeply wounded character who has witnessed destruction of his homeworld.
Agreed
But why make the decision to present Darkseid in that way the first time we meet him if your goal is to build him up as the ultimate threat
It makes a lot more sense to have Steppenwolf be the one who was defeated instead, as was seen in Josstice League, as he was actually set up to he a sympathetic villain
It's just terrible writing through and through
@@hellotherekenobi2156 Because the film (and the scene) wasn’t about Darkseid. The main theme was about how “the whole world became Justice League” which was supposed to be the theme of the following films. This is the equivalent of seeing Thanos in the post credits scenes of various MCU movies and going “Hmm, he’s just sitting in a chair and wearing a gauntlet saying some vague lines. It’s terrible writing through and through”.
Moreover, the actual threatening part was the montage in Cyborg’s vision.
@edilebert Again, that can be achieved to better effect by using Steppendwolf instead which we saw in Josstice League
It's not the equivalent to Thanos sitting in his chair. The scenes where Steppenwolf is speaking to Darkseid "on the phone" (so-to-speak) are the equivalent to that
If the first time we saw Thanos, he got his ass kicked, it wouldn't exactly build him up to be the big bad he turned out to be would it? It seems you completely missed the point I'm making
The audience already subconsciously sees Darkseid as a bitch. The audience subconsciously saw Thanos as a true threat and a badass
@@hellotherekenobi2156 ...unless you want to ship that one scene only to the theatres or Netflix. But it will not play well with the movie's plot, and Snyder’s overall storyline. A lot of his characters are deconstructed in the beginning and then slowly put back in place to move toward a version that is more comic-agnostic.
Darkseid starts off as young Uxas, and then a slight teaser at the “Telephone” scene, the vision, and him in person. The following film where he is the main villain starts filling the primary blanks. When scaled down w.r.t. the theme and duration, it **IS** the equivalent of Thanos teasers in the MCU.
Moreover, it depends on what the director wants to show, not how MCU did it.
Maybe you *can* use the Steppenwolf version, but at the cost of being inconsistent with the Snyderverse (for the lack of a better term).
TBF, at 9:00, it appears the Green Lantern was momentarily off balance when he was dropped by the parademons, which allowed Darkseid to close the distance. And at 9:30, the woman who fires that arrow is literally Artemis, the Greek Goddess of hunting, so I would presume her arrows have some kind of magic/divine effect. Additionally, at 9:50, the axe is wielded by Ares, Greek God of war, who was so powerful he apparently merked the rest of the Greek gods in Wonder Woman's backstory.
In terms of his motivation, I think you're doing Darkseid a little dirty. Yes, Thanos' motivation is much more complex in his desire to save the universe from overpopulation in some convoluted plan, but Darkseid is more similar in my opinion to Loki. Darkseid wants to rule not only the universe, but all of existence (he comes from a higher dimension called the Fourth World). This is all down to the fact he is in the DC universe literally the God of Tyranny. He wants people to bow down before him because it is in his nature. If you're saying he lacks a suitable motivation then you could also say that Loki lacks a suitable motivation in the first Avengers film. That whole scene where Loki makes the Germans kneel before him is what Darkseid desires on a much smaller scale. Darkseid seeks Anti-Life because it eliminates free will, meaning he will be the ultimate power in existence. I'm not too sure whether that was explained too well in Justice League, but that's how it works in the comics, anyway.
It's a real shame that DC messed up their cinematic universe by rushing so quickly towards an Avengers-style teamup, because I think they have so many great stories to tell (WHY THE FUCK WOULD SNYDER PUT DEATH OF SUPERMAN IN THE LITERAL SECOND MOVIE!? WHY NOT BUILD UP SUPERMAN AS A MESSIANIC LIKE FIGURE OVER SEVERAL MOVIES, SO WHEN HE IS KILLED BY DOOMSDAY IT ACTUALLY CARRIES WEIGHT AND IMPACT.) Like I said, I think higher ups at Warner Bros or DC were too focused on "Let's make an Avengers-style movie to roll in the cash" without realising what Marvel had done in order to build up to that.
MCU Loki is just a younger sibling. He's spent his entire life in his brother's shadow, willing to do anything if it means he can be more than the inferior sibling.
I think a better comparison would have been between Darkseid and Sauron. It's two big bads fighting and losing, but one is great and the other is meh
Having Steppinwolf get defeated in the theater version made more sense. Hulk was never the same after catching them hands..
the justice league scene looks like a world of warcraft cinematic
More like "Why MCU fanboys need Snyderverse to continue just so they could have something to shit on". Especially now, when almost everything that MCU has been pumping out lately was hot garbage.
Also, I love it how you compare IW where Thanos was the main villain to ZSJL where Darkseid's role was the equivalent of "sitting in his chair and bossing around Ronan" from the first GotG movie. It just shows how you are not biased one bit.
Nobody mentioned anything about the MSheU LOL. Thanos didn't get his ass handed while "sitting in a chair". Darkseid lost to primitives with melee weapons because he charged into battle without a plan. Definitely not the same thing
@@MrShadowSmith >Nobody mention anything about MCU
>The entire video is about blindly shitting of Darkseid because "Thanos stronk".
You alright there, boah?
@@OverLorD768 "nobody mentioned anything about the MCU"..literally the first thing he typed in his first comment was "MCU fanboys..." 😂🤣🤣. You must be one of those brainless Snydertards then.
If Darkseid had a small role like thanos did in the earlier mcu movies, this comparison wouldn't have happened.
But instead he does shit and seems like an idiot.
"Especially now, when almost everything that MCU has been pumping out lately was hot garbage"
Well then clearly we don't need Snyder, since the MCU's making shit films now too.
I disagree. I feel that villains can be compelling both with a backstory that lead to their actions, or just to be evil for the sake of evil. Look at Joker for example. He is an extremely loved villain and he literally does what he does just because. Darkseid is an awesome villain as well! His introduction doesn't give him any justice in these movies though. That's also what makes Death and Jack Horner awesome villains! They have no trauma, they just do because.
Easy to agree with the concept of not introducing your main villain being defeated(LOTR made it work). But it's hard to take your criticism seriously when you pretend Darkside wasn't fighting literal gods.
And now we have two gods - Wonder Woman and Superman. Nothing to worry about.
@@user-xx6vy9ri8p with a stronger darkseid
I heavily disagree with the notion that all villains need to be explained, relatable, or understandable. Sometimes villains just wanna destroy shit, and you don’t need to understand them, only appreciate what they offer to the story as an antagonist.
Also being so incredulous that Artemis, an Olympian goddess’ arrows hurt Darkseid is just weird, Diana literally introduces the trio as the gods of earth
Also the hell do you mean a fucking god was defeated by an axe, ARES IS A GOD, that was him and his axe that took down Darkseid, also you could literally say the same thing. Thanos, a fucking god, was also defeated by an axe. You can make everything sound bad when you remove context.
Is that really the final animation on Darkseid?!? Holy crap!
Oh please it's not bad at all. Thanos didn't look good in all his shots
Fair enough!
@@eftultima He looked incredible in all the Infinity War shots. And yeah, Darkseid's animation looks janky as hell, particularly his "come get me bro" pose in front of the cubes.
Loki in MCU was generic evil.
Thanos in comics was generic evil, killing to impress Death.
Hydra in MCU was generic, ruling everyone just because.
Steppenwolf was winning worlds as a punishment by Darkseid.
Zod wanted Kryptonians to survive and then took on revenge.
Doomsday was a killing machine created by Luthor against Superman.
Ares hated his father's love for humans hence influenced the wars.
Yeah Marvel villains are so unique.
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Lol funny how you basically called mcu villains generic without mentioning their philosophies and dceu villain's shitty motivations as complex (Zod is an exception).
Thanos in comics was a conflicted nihilist. And his backstory was massively influenced by Lady Death. Thanos in comics is a much more interesting character than all the dceu characters combined. Steppenwolf was a very shallow character hiding in the shade of Darkseid who is the definition of GENERIC evil. The worst part is that DCEU villains were not fleshed out and intimidating. While most mcu villains are generic(Thanos, Loki, Zemo, Killmonger, Vulture, and Wenwu are exceptions and are incredibly well written and executed), the only good villain in DCEU is Zod. Also Ares was your typical generic evil, even worse he wasn't intimidating and interesting at all. While Loki literally had an entire character arc in Thor 1 where he wanted to prove his capability to ODIN. Hydra literally represents Nazis in mcu. Out of your 7 points only 1 was correct. You seem like a Snyder fanboy.
Darkseid's army of spaceships and parademons really lost to people fighting with sticks and arrows 😂
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Darkseid, A NEW GOD, is shot with arrows from a GODDESS ARTEMIS, then ZEUS attacks him with LIGHTING FROM A GOD. Then ARES, GOD OF WAR, hits him with his axe, a GOD'S WEAPON. Darkseid, a new GOD, is defeated by THREE GODS WITH GOD WEAPONS, and not any weapons. They're all gods and should be in equal footing, it's 3 vs 1.
Your points still stand but Darkseid's defeat is understandable
"He didn't keep the coordinates" every single planet and star are not in a constant position. They move very quickly, more than 100,000 km per hour. But yes, their technology (so advanced seems like magic) should track every star and planet
And this is NOT Darkseid's movie. This is the Justice League's movie with Steppenwolf with Darkseid's introduction. It's the same thing with Thanos' cameos in the MCU movies. Thanos' motivation wasn't revealed until Infinity War, the movie where he plays the antagonist. Darkseid hasn't hit that part or role yet. I would say to wait, but with the restart, we'll get a new version.
I haven't even read your comments and I wrote the same thing! How is this guy not getting that?! 👍
Oh, it was a god arrow and a god axe? Somehow that doesn't make it any less embarrassing, considering this guy's meant to be the Big Bad of whatever failed cinematic universe Snyder was cooking up.
hahaha but what is this comparison? Darkseid was never set up as Thanos did. ZSJL was its first apparition in what was supposed to be a trilogy. You should have better compared it with the post-credit scene Thanos, to be fair. Darkseid story was never fully developed. Jesus, dude. The opening scene you spend so much time talking about shows Uxas, not Darkseid. There's a lot of story that wasn't told. And because of that a fair comparison needs to rely on source material. I know I know "Why do I need to read comic books? The director should show/tell everything in the movie", well he couldn't so either this analysis requires more context (which I guess inevitably will bring you to the source material and the Uxas/Darkseid distinction, the psychological profile of the war gods of Apokolips - which is completely different to Thanos, hence explaining why their motivations are so different - and so on) or a disclaimer acknowledging that you are comparing two characters in vastly different stages of development.
"There's a lot of story that wasn't told. And because of that a fair comparison needs to rely on source material"
No, media analysis should analyse the media in question. You shouldn't have to go google "why was darkseid such a pussy" after watching the movie to understand it, the movie should be well-written enough to explain and justify its own characters and stories.
you're right bro, the man is basically comparing darkseid before he got his get back to thanos when his already ready to box and tired of the f ups. it's not a fair comparison and he said darkseid lost despite other popular villains like sauron losing in a way more pathetic scene and not letting darkseid's character grow.
@@faith4657
Dude, I thought Darkseid looked awesome. Steppenwolf being a weary exile also brought a different humanizing angle to the character than what Whedon made him out to be in the theatrical release. I also loved the part when Darkseid only deigned to hear Steppenwolf when he told DeSaad that he found the Anti-Life Equation (and the Parademons kneeling prior to his actual appearance being the icing on the cake, knowing their lord was coming).
Running time aside, the Snyder Cut is far superior to the version WB continues to stand by.
No. With the sole exception of sequels, any piece of media that requires you having to have viewed/read a different piece of media to understand what happens in the story is objectively bad. So unless we were going to get another flashback in a future dceu movie that explained the darkseid/uxas stuff had Zack Snyder been allowed to continue forward, it is bad writing plain and simple. Although him complaining about the fact that Darkeid is simply evil with no sympathetic backstory isn’t fair, since villains don’t need to have a tragic reason for being the way they are to be good villains.
The fact u say "Its just an arrow" wasnt that arrow shot by a god?
what you see is effectively just an arrow. Which is a massive problem with the whole scene. You have to tell yourself 'oh wait, that's a special arrow', because in the movie is just looks like an arrow. There's no explosion of power, there's no glowy special effects or a loud thundercrack or anything. most of the audience, even if they've seen every DCEU movies, has no idea who the person who shot the arrow even was.... he just suddenly has an arrow sticking out of him and it seems to hurt very much.
Movies are visual story telling, which is why people rip exposition dumps so hard. If you want you audience to understand something, they have to see it in what's happening on screen, not be told about it later when they try and make sense of the CGI sludge on-screen. Darksied fails so hard as a villain because what we're being told about him, both during the movie and after the fact, does not mesh with what we're seeing..... which is some cgi idiot getting his ass handed to him because he did a big dumb and brought his space ship into arrow range so he could hit people with an axe. And he never does anything but sit there in the rest of the movie.
Thanos was built up, and then we you actually see him in action for the first time, he's laying the smackdown on the fucking hulk, a character who's power level we understand in that moment. And even afterwards he's just calm, collected, in full command of the situation. The audience needs no further explanation, it's a complete 'oh shit' moment. Visual story telling.
@@petriew2018 Im not saying that DCEU darkseid was better than MCU thanos, simply just saying that wonder woman literally said that the warriors of earth AND The old gods, zeus and more
"wasnt that arrow shot by a god"
Was it? And why should we care? What's a god in the DCEU? What's a god relative to Darkseid? The movie provides zero context for this stuff, so all we see is a big CG monster getting mortally wounded by an arrow and an axe.
@@peacemaster8117 Wonder woman a literal god literally says the old gods, the humans, atlantians, amazons were all fighting darkseid and that axe dude was Ares
@@petriew2018 who all Thanos did was sit in his chair for literally a quarter of the mcu, also darkseid fought gods that so called arrow you say didn't have special powers despite doing so was shot by an amazon in the beginning of the movie and it travelled all the way from there to where Diana was, that same arrow can one shot darkseid fleet ships that holds over thousands of soldiers not so normal now is it. you're literally comparing Thanos to darkseid while the latter is still in his beginning phase of development how is that fair.
Hear me out
Imagine seeing him in Justice League, A Weak mumbling loser who lost to a guy with an axe
But then
Justice League 2 He kills Aquaman, Wonder woman, Breaks Cyborg, Takes over the world with ease, Kills Lois in front of Superman and Batman
I Just think it's cool how they're taking a different approach, Taking a full 180 by lowering out expectations of him but then switching up on us, Too bad we'll never see the full thing
How is he supposed to be scary if his current record is 0-1? This is like Kang apparently being the big bad after getting beat every time he comes on screen.
That kind of writing only works if the character in question is established as weak or joke character in the first place, not the kind of character you're hyping up, so that the moment they get real shit done, it caught us by surprise, this is why The Spot from Across The Spider-verse so effective.
Wonder Woman tell us how big threat he is, although he was shown to lose pathetically against earthling in the past, so if anything dude doesn't live up to the hype.
The guy with an axe was Ares and he grew stronger during the war since he's the god of war.
Darkseid was supposed to do all that you mentioned above in Justice League 2 save for breaking Cyborg.
I don't see any valid point in your opinion regarding Darkside. Your whole objection is based on personal dislike and not due to poor writing.
I don't know anything about comic but from the SC it's well understood that Darkside is ruthless, arrogant, genocidal maniac who doesn't care about anyone or anything. The movie, in it's storytelling perfectly establish that.
Please before criting ask yourself whether it's your personal bias talking or not. Your Iron Man and Riri video has this problem too but it's not as extensive as this one. You made some good point there but here it feels like you entirely watched the movie without any audio.
There's no need of villians to be all the same misunderstood character or bad bcs bad type . They can be different. Your story just need to hold up the rules you put in.
Darkseid literally forgot where the planet was. As confirmed by zack snyder. What part of that is my opinion??. Please dont ignore my points to dismiss my work when your not even paying attension or providing any valid arguement yourself. If u disgree with my points thats fine but if u dont provide a reasinable counter i cant take u seriously. Im not talking about the comic im talking about his intro . You spell his name wrong and u make points that i literally said in the video against me but im supposed to take u seriously when it sounds like u didnt listen to a word i said lol
you are absolutely right
I do agree with some of your points, but saying that Darkseid should be relatable to be a memorable villain completely goes against the character right off the bat. Darkseid as a character is not meant to be relatable or sympethic. Do you really think Darth Sidious was relatable? Do you think Heath Ledger's Joker was relatable? Saying that a villain HAS to be relatable, or HAS to sympethic is absolutely bullshit. Sometimes a villain can just be a villain. The flashback scene shows that Darkseid's greatest downfall was his arrogance, as he completely underestimated Earth's defenses. While you're complaining about how Darkseid killing that Green Lantern was to make him look good, was also the same reason of the Russo Brothers for how they introduced Thanos in Infinity War. Thor and Hulk literally got beat up, just to make Thanos look good. The difference between Darkseid in the flashback scene to present day is night and day. Darkseid in the flashback scene was full of arrogance as he believed that Earth's defenses were not as powerful as him and his army. Darkseid in the present day is much more powerful than he was before as he now has his Omega Beams. Where as in the flashback scene, all he had was a spear. Clearly Darkseid went on a quest to obtain a new source of power to make him rival the Old Gods, and waited until he grew in power to return to Earth to wage another war on Earth and take the Anti-Life Equation. Plus you can clearly see that after Steppenwolf gets beheaded by Wonder Woman, DeSaad criticises Darkseid as he tells him, "I told you, Steppenwolf would fail". Darkseid replies to him, "Yes, yes you did". This goes to show you how Darkseid changed from being an arrogant warlord, to a humble and cunning dark lord.
"Do you think Heath Ledger's Joker was relatable?"
Yes, what the fuck? Of-course he was. He's an extremely relatable character, that's why he's resonated so much and we now have all these memes about people feeling like the Joker.
@@peacemaster8117 How was he relatable?
peace master once again showing utter toxicity in your inability to let people criticize what you like lol. You are in every thread regarding people that didn’t like the video
Thanos almost won with just a sword against literally every hero. Darkseid losing to a handful of them is shameful
@peacemaster8117 if you find the joker in tdk relatable then you are either one of those motivational joker quotes retard or you have some serious mental issues.
I wonder if Thanos fights Hulk the way he does because he *knows* how the Hulk works, so knows that the best way to defeat him is to make him feel so helpless and outmatched that he can't even get angry
Darkseid in the comics and cartoons too has no justification nor reason for conquering universes and planets other than he’s evil because he’s evil. The Thanos in the comics at least had the motivation of impressing the female incarnation of the grim reaper. Darkseid is just evil, nothing more in any media I’ve seen.
Thank God he was only talking about the MCU and DCEU. If he was saying Darkseid was trash in general, i would had personally arrested him for all that malarkey.
Naw darkseid sounds badass. What we got tho was crap
@jedibrooks7235 Fr though darkseid has no motativations at all on why he wants to destroy universes and conqueror them
i actually think darkseid was great in zack snyder cut. the one you talked about was a young one so it kinda makes sense. but what i liked was the dark future. i mean it showed him literally using SUPERMAN as a puppet and the whole justice league in shambles. thats like if thanos traumatized thor so much that thor just joined him because he was scared of thanos or some shi
That's true, but it's also our introduction to Darkseid. First impressions are everything, and the first impression Darkseid makes isn't a very good one.
Being young only justifies stupid behaviour if you're an idiot. The point is that Darkseid is meant to be a brilliant strategist who is thousands of years old, not some dumb kid who forgets where he left his toys.
"thats like if thanos traumatized thor so much that thor just joined him"
Yeah, it IS like that. It's embarrassingly stupid.
@@GregJamesMusichow - Because he lost during the first invasion? Strange take but it is a take.
@HeatForce Him losing is one thing, but he made a bunch of tactical errors and ended up forgetting which planet he invaded (which seems like the kind of thing you might remember).
@@GregJamesMusic thats a valid point
Not agrees because that is the glimpse of past dark side without omega powers
That is more younger version of dark side.
That glimpse is for how big That treat is because all protected of earth have to unite to fight him.
They gave us future glimpse too
When he posses omega kill wonderwomen and aQuaman
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Future glimpses are like post-credits scenes. If your movie's meaning depends on them, you might have a problem
I’m glad I found you, you do great work my man.
SIths and Saiyans are always welcome here :)
Thanos’s first scene: blue guy smiling.
Now tell me why that is better than Darkseid’s introduction? You can’t because they both do the same thing (more or less.) Zack Snyder’s Darkseid has nothing wrong with him, and he has not been developed beyond “bad guy,” much like how Thanos was during his first appearance.
Because Thanos is just smilling not getting his ass kicked (only his army got their ass kicked) by some characters that will just appear for 10 minutes or less.
This just furthers the brilliance of infinity war and how it was undone in endgame
I remember seeing endgame for the first time and saying; well this was bad while everyone else was coping. It was kinda funny and sad at the same time.
@@goldenarmour7975Why do you think that im just i casual viewer ao idk
@@galaxyknight7309 I'm also a casual viewer btw. I just thought the plot resolution was botched, as it severely lowered the stakes. The actors were fine, the visuals were amazing, but I personally found the script to be a bit of a "Deus Ex Machina" and it made me sad when its predecessor was the complete opposite. In my opinion, Deus Ex Machina is one of the biggest sins in fiction.
@@goldenarmour7975 I can understand that.
To be fair, Darkeid was only given a brief appearance in one movie. Thanos was given appearances in several movies. So he was given more of an Arc
Grabbing a gauntlet and sitting in the chair. I think its fair to say that doesnt give him a significant head start and if anything that highlights dcs poor planning. I think they both had an opportunity but only one made it worth the time
@@jedibrooks7235 Yeah, but Thanos was shown in end credit scenes in movies leading up to Infinity War. And then he has significant screen time in Infinity War and End Game. Whereas in the DCEU, they only find out about Darkseid in Justice League. And only give him a brief scene at the end.
@@nerychristian Right, but the scenes with Thanos were good. The scene with Darkseid was embarrassing. That's the difference.
Movie version vs movie version: Thanos doesn't care that anyone knows he's after the Infinity stones and doesn't fear a galaxy uniting to stop him until it's happening in his face. Darkseid is unprepared for a united army on Earth from thousands of years earlier and withdraws to prevent further losses, but continues to scheme in the background.
Not enough development of Darkseid in the DCCU to outright claim he sucks, he wasn't really given a chance.
Comic Thanos vs Comic Darkseid: I actually don't know this because I've never read the comics, but my minimal understanding is that Thanos only acted when a challenge was present and meaningful enough to do so. Darkseid however never viewed anyone or anything as a threat and was right 99% of the time; only the Justice League ever really gave him pause which resulted in beatdowns on both sides, strong enough to level cities.
Character vs Character: Thanos schemes but makes mistakes letting people know he's the one manipulating them all in the background. Darkseid schemes and drags the heroes to near defeat multiple times without them ever knowing he's responsible, and you only know of his involvement right before the climax of the story. Thanos is a challenge waiting to be tackled; Darkseid is a threat that needs to be confronted immediately before everyone dies.
Scheme in the background?
Mofo forgot the planet.
But he later finds out about them through steppen wolf. But he still refuses to invade earth.
Snyder somehow made Darkseid look like an idiot in just two minutes.
He forgot earth.
Was defeated by wonder womans first villain.
Dialog is genetic garbage.
And his motivation is just coz he's evil. The mcu kept thanos vague and mysterious. Snyder made him a moron in two minutes.
They're both idiots.@@WL1264
It doesn't make sense for Heimdall to save Hulk instead of Thor and for Loki to attempt such an obvious trick...but otherwise this scene is good.
Probably Heimdall knows that Thor can handle Dead Space better than Hulk can, and for Loki it's probably desperate attempt since he needs to try all the cards he can play
@@kuroakevizago Heimdall has no reason to think Thanos would spare any of them. Loki has illusions, teleportation, invisibility, freezing, but he is trying to stab a titan with a knife...
@@user-xx6vy9ri8p Good point, either way, I think hulk is the best choice since he is a human in the end not one of the Asgardian I guess
@@kuroakevizago But Heimdall doesn't even know him...
Thanos was paying attention to Thor. He would have seen the attempt. Heimdall caught them by surprise by portalling Hulk instead.
I mean Thanos only lets Thor live 3 times......surely the god....who survived you that many times wont come back to bite you.....hell you even leave him with the snap lmao Why didnt he use eternity? Thats way less effort than 6 infinity stones......
"hell you even leave him with the snap"
I don't think it's ever implied that Thanos is choosing who dies, it's just a random 50% chance for everyone.
Thor: Love And Thunder is an extremely bad movie.
Just a correction the punch at 4:00 is a kidney strike. The larger lobe of the liver is on the right side of the body
You do realize you're comparing someone who was the main villain in their movie to someone who wasn't, right?
Thank you. I've never understood why fanboys hail ZSJL as some great masterpiece when the fact is it is every bit the hot mess that DOJ is.
Snyder fans have some special kind of brain rot.
Because it is 🤷♂️
idk when you nitpick and say things like this you make the movie look awful despite the fact.
This isn't even a fair comparison, this movie wasn't even about Darksied and more about Steppenwolf
My guy yes daekseid from his design to his execution was bad but YOU DO SEE THESE ARROWS & AXE ARE SUPERNATURAL WEAPONS FROM THE GODS OF OLYMPUS RIGHT?? And these gods are more powerful than Darkseid esp the younger version of Darkseid. U had me until that point of your video then u lost me or are u just not familiar with Zeus etc, esp Ares who is peak power in the middle of a battle cos it feeds his strength smdh. Re edit ur video
"YOU DO SEE THESE ARROWS & AXE ARE SUPERNATURAL WEAPONS FROM THE GODS OF OLYMPUS RIGHT"
Why, because they're glowing? Everything in the scene is glowing, it's meaningless. If "Zeus etc" are important to the story then they need to be explained to the audience so the scene actually makes sense.
@peacemaster learn to cope fanboy
@@peacemaster8117 you're telling me right now you lack common sense
Why should I be impressed by the dude that lost to WW victims?
In the comics Darkseid is SUPPOSED to be simply pure evil, he is LITERALLY the God of Tyranny after all
Okay so as far as i know, that is Uxas who is very young and he was fighting against old gods which are way powerful than hulk. Secondly you compared thanos who was brought after a decade of building universe to someone who was shown at last of snyderverse. Now if you compare first appearence of thanos and darkseid you will see how menacingly darkseid ask dessad to ready the armada. He is way more terrifying in that scene than thanos. And if you really want to make comparison here is a better version of darkseid from Justice League Dark: Apokolips
This is exactly what I said. He had a weak argument and did not even talk in specific on why Darkseid was in that position. If we get JL2 (I hope one day), we will be able to compare then between these two characters.
excellent video,good points... in the comics(New Gods,etc)Darkseid(the character is a Kirby 1970s creation,who existed before Thanos)is actually quite devious/clever,who let his lieutenants/minions do the majority of the grunt work... Thanos,in my opinion,is one of the greatest film villians ever written,he was a psychopath,but you could understand his logic/motivations...
I love your videos ! what you said at the end made me think you should do Good vs Bad character introduction scenes
I think that This dark side is when he was young so they were showing how he was not ready to be like thanos and use his intellect. He instead was defeated by his pride
Jedi Brooks has a new video… I am immediately hooked
Thanos was only good in infinity war and he was build up in multiple movies this is unfair comparison.
Comparing one scene to another scene is not unfair. Thano had two cameos thats hardly a buildup and i didnt even include those.
Dude, Darkseid had like two minutes of screen time. That’s like comparing Thanos in the post credit scene of Avengers with Loki, saying that Loki’s motivation is better defined. Well duh, because Loki had a whole movie while Thanos just showed up briefly to set him up for a later movie.
This is the dumbest comparison I’ve ever heard.
But with that two minutes of Darkseid we got so much garbage from him.
You can barely tell anything about from his first few appearances. Marvel was smart. They made it really vague so they can properly flesh him out in his movie.
But Snyder went out of his way to show Darkseid losing pathetically the first time we saw him.
Also the dialogue is just embarrassing.
At one point he puts his arms up and starts saying terrible cliche two dimensional bad guy dialogue. He motivation is just evil. That's it.
So you think that MORE footage of Darkseid being weak and foolish would've made him more interesting? What a strange theory.
@@peacemaster8117lol darkseid killed a lantern, amazons, and lost to the old gods. Thanos had trouble overpowering rogers in IW.
@@HeatForce He clearly didn't have trouble overpowering Rogers in IW, he was more busy admiring his resolve, then he one-punched him.
@laszlobencebari8677 if that's what you want to call it 🤷♂️
Just a counter lowball to the stated lowball. Regardless and physicals out of the way, Thanos did fail at first. People seem to forget that Loki and Ronan worked for Thanos. Ronan absolutely disrespected Thanos, too. When the invasion of Earth occured, this was before Darkseid became ruler of Apokolips. He was basically a general like Steppenwolf, but most likely a prince too if they followed the canon from the comics. Snyder even repeatedly stated in interviews that this version of Darkseid is Uxas. Uxas doesn't become Darkseid until he gets the omega effect.
Marvel took over a decade to build up Thanos and the universe he existed in, before finally letting him loose. Darkseid was in Justice league, which had a total of two whole movies before he showed up. Now granted, it ended up being re-written, so that fans had to wait about as long for the Snyder cut as Infinity War, but it was still just building off of only two movies, and Darkseid felt just suddenly crowbarred in (Whereas Thanos was built up since 2012).
Another sad case of "screw set-up & worldbuilding, I want the payoff now" that so many movies today suffer from.
5:40 "a path for revenge for the hulk"
thats quite a big oof.
Ah yes teenager lost to a greek gods how weak he is
Ah yes thanos lost to a steroid guy, man with daddy issues and god of diabetes how powerful he is
Humanity had to summon HUNDREDS of people to take down Thanos and still just barely clutched victory at the last second. Darkseid got taken out because someone hit him with an axe.
@@peacemaster8117 so I guess you missed the part where humans, amazons and atlanteans had to unite to repell the first invasion, and Uxas (because that's not Darkseid, that Uxas, he didn't even had his Omega-powers yet) was stoped only when he was bodied by a fucking Zeus, someone who can bitchslap Superman, shot by Artemis, another God, and then hit by a fucking God of War himself, fueled by the biggest battle ever. It's so cool to be a blind hater, isn't it?
@@OverLorD768 that low life is crying under every comments who are countering this video
@@OverLorD768 Thanos didn't need any powers to genocide Xandar, beat Hulk and Thor, kill Loki, beat Thor, Iron Man, and Captain America at the same time, and break Cap's shield (which has taken blows from Mjolnir without damage), why should Darkseid be scary if he needs the power of evil to not get bullied?
@@thebcwonder4850 I ain't reading all that, pal.
9:49 but like... doesn't the axe belong to a god too?
well he ignored a couple things while ranting about darkside
A good villain always has an element of horror.
The funny thing is that darkseid is a lot more terrifying than Thanos. Darkseid is pure evil in the comics, Thanos is mainly conflicted because because of mistress death
Oh yeah,thanos... The villain that spend almost a decade sitting on a chair and then dying in a generic CGI battle. Total boss.
You're not a Snyder bro are you?
@@WL1264 Nah, Marvel has just been ass ever since Infinity War. Every after that was ass and Endgay was shit.
@@LeoTheYutyso does thanos suck as a villain?
Bro, Thanos trounced the Avengers and accomplished his goal. You just described Darkseid's first scene in the Snyder Cut.
Before that he eliminated half of the life in universe. I agree that they ruined him in Endgame.
Wow, I didn't expect you hate the Governor of all villains. Though tbf, his comic book counterpart was simply just a one-dimensional cartoon villain. But whereas TV Governor had some depth to him underneath his psychopathy.
HAD* he had some depth and in that one scene they turned him into clown. I loved the reasonable governor but his super villain arc was lame and forced. Waste of a villain
Truly.
Darkseid takes an axe to the collarbone and gets amnesia
Thanos takes an axe to the chest and does the snap
Darkseid didn't have the omega effect yet
Snyder should only direct slow motion action scenes. He is NOT a storyteller.
Can we please have Nolan's storytelling and Snyder's action scenes in the same movie???
6:58 Then I hate to break it to you but Darkseid is not for you. The bastard is evil because he has no reason not to be. He killed his brother for power. He wants nothing more than the enslavement and conquest of all living things anywhere and everywhere.
Sooooo then why not bombard the armies at surface and get the damn anti life equation? He wants that above anything else or want to fight?
@@Mark_40_his whole philosophy is basically dominating the enemy on every level personally destroying his enemies is one of his favourite things.
Bias is clearly showing. No appreciation for the mythology of DCs Darkseid. The axe was from Ares the God of War. The arrows were from Athens daughter of Zeus and also a goddess of war. Then Zeus struck him too.. so three "gods"! How does the guy not know this??
Somehow Martha returned
Darkseid in comics and animations is far better, this show what low work, passion and money DC put in that movie.
I have never seen the snyder cut. Safe to say I will never watch it. The clips and cgi look ass
4:00 - This scene would be way more effective if we didn't see Hulk tank a series of much stronger punches in previous movies from Thor, Hulkbuster, Abomination...here he seems nerfed.
1. Hulk being vulnerable to technique over raw physical strength makes total sense.
2. Clearly Thor et al. weren't hitting as hard as Thanos does.
@@peacemaster8117 1. A jet from Avengers shot him at the exact same spot and did nothing.
2. Did you see how destructive Thor's attacks were in Thor 2 compared to Thanos here?
@@user-xx6vy9ri8p Thanos is a much more efficient fighter
@@thebcwonder4850 And? Hulk is invincible.
@@user-xx6vy9ri8p Thor's had Hulk on the ropes and Iron Man's beaten him. Thanos 2v1ed both of them
Whoever wrote that Hulk needs to do a lot of research
If it has the potential to become a franchise it’ll get ruined. I’ve said this before but greed ruins this stuff everytime. Greed pretty much ruined comics in films. Same things happening to gaming. Once something has been proven to make money (obscene amounts) people who don’t care anything at all about the creation of something and instead care only about profit come along and mess it up, an example being comics in movies.
Other situations like where people who wanna use the platform to spread their own message about social topics -Star Wars. Or just as bad, people who don’t like the original creation will get hired to write and won’t put forth real effort -The Witcher. Stuff made by creative types always gets ruined when they grow too big or successful.
First of all the reason why Darksied lose to Ares is cuz his the God of war meaning WAR is giving him more power
Darkseid is a conqueror, he thirsts for battle. He's not like Thanos who is more of the reluctant hero(villain) type also Darkseid is not the main villain...yet.
Edit: Thanos wants to save the world. Darkseid wants to conquer/rule the world.
Once again, there is NOTHING heroic about genocide. Especially about commiting said genocide just to prove your idiotic point to everyone.
Not to mention we haven't seen a single proof of overpopulation in the entirety of MCU. So no, Thanos was not "saving the world", Thanos was commiting a Universe-scale genocide just to boost his own ego and feel like a hero. And when he found out about Avengers trying to undo his snap in Endgame, he got so butthurt that he attempted to destroy the Universe and redo it in a way so that everyone feel grateful to him.
@@OverLorD768 Good stuff
I like pointing out to people, Thanos' plan was less evil than the actual TheWorldIsOverpopulated!!! crowd. Thanos only wanted to eliminate half of humanity while the more ambitious Greetards want something like 90% gone
and yet Darkseid does nothing to achieve his own goals.... when it comes time to get the only thing he needs to rule the universe.... he lazily sends an underling.... but sure, he's the kind of guy who just likes to get his hands dirty, that's why he fucked everything up in round 1.....
can you smell the plot contrivance wafting through the air yet?
This was always a stupid excuse for the bad writing in the movie.
@@OverLorD768 What I mean by "saving the world" is that that was his implied motivation from the start but he was wrong and diagnosed the entire universe of the wrong disease and then tried to cure it in the most 'effective' way. He saw himself as a hero - the only one with the balls to do the not so obvious right thing- #hero complex.
I'm not a fan of genocide either.
@@johnmacleod2487 Evil is evil periodt.
I remember the previous phases where for every bad MCU movie there were 4 or 5 that ranged from decent to great.
Now it's the total opposite, I can count on one hand the amount of Marvel movies/tv shows I enjoyed in the last 3 years.
Feels bad man.
DCEU was even worse, thankfully tho we are getting a new direction that hopefully will up the quality because aside for the occasional success it was a complete clusterfuck of horrible ideas and poor management.
You ignored major information during the analysis of this movie.
1.- Darkseid here is a young one, doesn't have the Omega force, is an inexperienced leader, and is full field by blood lust. This explains why he's not using his ships to eradicate everything on the surface of the planet, he wants to fight and destroy them by his own hands.
2.- The axe that defeated Darkseid is the axe of Hares, the God of War, helped by his father Zeus and wounded by magic arrows thrown by the Amazon Queen. It doesn't show the villain as weak, it does the opposite, that literal gods had to combine forces only to defeat a YOUNG and WEAK version of the main villain.
3.- If you know something about the astronomic position, is that space CAN'T have coordinates when we talk about celestial distances, this happened thousands of years ago, enough to make an enormous distance between the place the planet was when Darkseid found it and eventually lost it.
I didnt ignore any of that. Why wasnt all that in the film is the question you need to ask. I said his portrayal was stupid but if u want to write for zack and add everything it needs then im sure it would have been nuch better
But instea we gpt a meathead who got stabbed by an axe
@@jedibrooks7235 All that I've mentioned, except for the part about the celestial distances, is in the movie. We've seen the gods before, we've seen Hippolyta, and we see Darkseid using the Omega force in the future and not in the past, which tells you that he didn't have it by that time. I'm not writing anything for Snyder, I'm paying attention to what he tells me in the movie explicit or implicit.
1.- You can even see the differences between Uxas (or a young version of Darkseid) and Darkseid in the present and in the future. He is taller, and his eyes glow in power, he is not afraid of the JLA and doesn't attack immediately by crossing the portal, even though he has a chance.
2.- The Greek Gods were presented in Wonder Woman, Hippolyta too, that includes the powers that each one has, so if you see Ares destroying Darkseid, you can't say "Oh no, he was defeated by a normal axe" cause they show you that the one who defeats him is 7 feet tall, his hands are glowing and is fighting along Zeus.
@@andresramirez13 why doesn't he attack? to me, it looks like he needs an army just to have a fighting chance against the Justice League
@@thebcwonder4850clown
Not going to go into how to better write him as a character, but there's a painfully, comically easy way to re-write the fight itself to actually, I feel, preserve Darkseid's Intimidation factor;
First off have more than 1 Lantern, have it be that they are the one's leading this fight, having gotten some natives to help and temporarily given them advanced technology designed around their existing weapons because they know this is an All Hands on Deck situation. The Lanterns are so terrified of Darkseid that they are willing to throw entire Species at him as Cannon Fodder. But even with that, have Darkseid and his army be utterly trouncing them.
Until a full on Battle Fleet of Kryptonians, led by actual literal General Zod himself arrive to help. Have a scene where 3-4 Dozen Kryptonians straight up Burly Brawl with Darkseid and still lose, until the final fight is Zod himself having to go 1-v-1 with Darkseid, ALSO LOSE, until some timely and self-sacrificing interventions from the Lanterns, Amazons and Atlantians give him the opening he needs to injure Darkseid. Not kill, just injure and force to retreat.
This would also have the upside of retro-actively justifying why Clark got sent to Earth. Jor-El read about Earth as a habitable planet Kryptonians can live on, so he sent Clark there intentionally.
Probably still a shit intro but better, and not bad for like ~3-5 minutes of thinking about it.
its a great scene you described , but it wouldnt have fitted in the movie. the point of this amcient war was to show Uxas (young overconfident darkseid before he got his powers) , making all this a bit exaggerated. but i would like it in a future movie with full on darkseid.
also i believe that your undermining the original scene from the movie. all peoples of earth united to fight this baby darkseid , he defeated a green lantern in seconds. many cool shots too , like Uxas trying to catch the lantern ring. also how Uxas was defeated , he was stunned by an atlantean attack , then his weopon was heated up by Zeus. then Aries (who gets his power from war , so he is now crazy op) jumps on him cutting through his axe.
also isnt it cool that despite all these fierce attacks , powerless "darkseid" was not killed nor fatally injured, a full powered aries could barely pierce half his edge through Uxas's skin.
another small fun fact, while fighting hulk he doesn't use the power stone, he could have and made it even easier, but he did not need it
In response to the comment about a villain only being someone you can invest in when they're logical as opposed to random acts of violence, I have to point out that it depends on what you mean by "invest in". A villain who cannot be reasoned with or a villain who has no line they won't cross at any moment if they themselves are crossed or failed, or someone who's mental state is teetering on the edge and they can go off the deep end at any moment can be very threatening if their actions then present a threat and/or those moments of insanity follow on from something logically that the hero did.
For example, you used a clip of the Governor from the Walking Dead shooting all of his men. In that season, he went from a seemingly benevolent leader to revealing that he was desperately holding on to what he lost when the world was overrun with Walkers. He was deluded in thinking that his zombie daughter was still alive, but he still wanted to protect his people and create the safest sanctuary and the closest thing to the civilization we once had.
However, that delusion of his daughter and what he would do to keep her "alive" informed what he was capable of and how merciless, remorseless and almost psychopathic he could be when pushed. As the season goes on, we see the "benevolent leader" persona get slowly broken down as he tries desperately to play it off and maintain his intimidation factor with enemies like Rick and our cast of characters. Couple that with how he punishes and disposes of people he kills by throwing them alive into a pit of Walkers he keeps in a field, we see him get less and less sane as his people begin to lose faith and trust in him as a leader and begin to fear him.
Then you get to the end of the Season where he and a group of soldiers he takes to kill Rick and his group are repelled almost perfectly because of his own overestimation of his strength. As he and his group flee to regroup, the loyalty of most of his soldiers (who're mostly just enlisted townspeople) is broken as they don't want to throw their lives away fighting a group just trying to defend themselves.
Then the Governor snaps completely in the clip you played. He doesn't even appear angry, he appears completely vacant and dead as he pulls the trigger on every member of his crew who appears afraid and disloyal, only sparing that one guy you see holding the machine gun backed up against that car as he is surprised, but shows no sign of disloyalty.
By the end of this Season and into the 4th Season, he is fueled by nothing but a single-minded hatred of Rick.
He manages to amass dozens of soldiers and even gets a functional tank to force Rick and his group out of the Prison Complex they're holed up in, and Rick offers to put aside everything they've fought over the last Season and allow the Governor and his new group to move into a different cell-block in the same prison, so that in Rick's words "We wouldn't even have to see each other. Not until we were ready. We can survive together". But as much as the Governor recognizes Rick's offer and has a moment of consideration at the proposal, his hatred of Rick takes over again and without even speaking loudly enough for anyone to hear it (saying it to himself) he simply says "Liar..." and chops Herschel's head off, initiating the full scale shootout between his men and Ricks', taking a very close friend from Rick in a brutal and gory fashion for no practical reason other than to cause him pain.
The Governor went off the deep end. His decisions were no longer driven by a logical goal to preserve his own life or the lives of his men or his people. He was fueled by nothing but a primal, violent hatred and bloodlust for Rick, and THAT made him the best and most dangerous villain of the series, at least when put against the complete arcs of other villains, not just individual highlight scenes and lines of dialogue
Oh my gosh. Commentary on this is absolutely amazing. You rock, man.
One of my favourite bits of the thanos scene is the brief, but genuine, look of surprise Thanos has, before calling Loki's bluff... because he *knows*
Hmmmm I don't think Darkseid sucked. In the scenes compared, thanos scene was definitely better. Snyder's vision of Darkseid will unfortunately not be realised which makes it pretty hard to compare them ultimately. If it comes to imposing threat, Darkseid's presence is felt much more than Thanos is in the earlier mcu movies.
"launch the nukes darksied, end these fools💀💀💀
you spent most of the video talking about Uxas's defeat on earth, but it is not fair to consider Uxas the same as darkseid.
additionally i dont think its fair to compare thanos in his own movie (infinity war) vs darkseid in ZSJL (barely 3 mins appearance).
but i find your opinion on pure evil darkseid interesting , because i actually think that its good. when a cliche villain is just evil for corrupt and convenient reasons and then gets defeated by tthe end of the movie , i do think thats cringe.
but i like that darkseid isnt "Actually trying to do good" no , he is pure evil. he wants to win his war and he will burn the universe for it. he attends wonder womans funeral , stabs aquaman on his throne, and gets superman (humanity's hope) to turn evil. absolutely cold.