2/3 of the original Iron Man is watching him develop the suit(s) through trial and error. It was fascinating and when he uses it to save the hostages it all feels so earned.
And thats why Iron Heart here feels unearned, cause we don't see any of that struggle. We just learned her name and ope, she's also a genius who built a special vibranium radar and ope, she already has an ironman suit and ope, ITS ALREADY FUNCTIONAL BITCHES LETS FLY YEEEEEEEEEEEAH!! We get the suit before we get to really see any of her character.
@@Byronic19134, let's explore that. Nat was undercover as some kind of assistant to Tony in Iron Man 2, right? Then she slowly reveals her fighting abilities on his bodyguard in a comedic boxing scene. Then she plays a decent supporting role in the final battle, as full on Black Widow; knock out some goons without killin em, hack stuff, look hot doing it, see y'all in the next one. I don't know if that's much development? But it's something. I don't remember much of Clint's development in Thor; I'd have to see it again. He has a moment where he could take a killshot at Thor, and for some reason he doesn't. He gets much more to do in the Avengers movies, as does Nat. Personally, even from the glimmers I can remember, I think they're both better written than this version of Iron Heart.
Bad take you’re comparing 3 films of character development to a character in a film that isn’t even hers. This makes no sense and Iron man is my favorite character. This it a ridiculous comparison.
You saw the difference between Marvel storytelling, and Disney "storytelling". One was skillful, talented, and full of lessons that apply to everyone. The other was backed up by woke, mouse-driven dollars, aimed at brainwashed cultists.
Disney has had control over these critic websites ever since shit hit the fan for them. I don't look at these anymore because 90% of THEM are just woke activists who cant be reasoned with just like you 😑
Seeing these scenes made me realise that Tony - who started out as a war profiteer, even if he thought he was only selling to the US Army - cares so much more about lives than Riri. As soon as he gets back, he immediately shuts down his weapons division simply because he saw terrorists had his weapons. He only uses his most dangerous stuff on people we all know definitely deserved it, and when he couldn't take a less lethal approach. Also, the joy of the Iron Man suit was that it looked realistic. It looked like something that theoretically could exist in our world. Ironheart just looks like cheap CGI; it looks like it belongs in a CGI Tv show rather than a multi-million dollar film.
no they need gender equality and just that no explanations given no fucks given about plotholes just make the team half girl yeee slaaaaay queeeeeeeeen
So many years between the first “I am Ironman” to the last “I am Iron Man.” It was a hell of a payoff and a hell of a ride we went on. Everything after has been a insult to Iron Man, Stan Lee and us.
Not everything. Far From Home, No Way Home, Loki, Wandavision, Hawkeye, Falcon and the Winter Soldier, Across the Spider-Verse, and Guardians of the Galaxy 3 are all good.
@@sergeantlightning6178Wandavision sucked hard. The episodes in the Next were Amazing but at the end, It became a Hypocrite movie. If they followed the formula of the First few episodes and didn't chicken out, It would have been the best TV show. Across the Spiderverse Is easily the best choice there.
Fun fact: in the original comics Riri’s teacher originally supported her and said she could do anything she put her mind to. However Riri wanted to feel oppressed and basically demanded her teacher tell her the opposite. Fed up with it the teacher said “Fine, you can’t be like Iron Man.” So there you have it Ironheart’s story is she wanted to be better then Tony Stark, whereas Iron Man’s story is that he wanted to be better then the man he was. Edit: Wow, thanks for so many likes guys! 😊
"What inspired you to be a hero?" Peter: "Uncle Ben taught me that with great power must also come great responsibility." Miles: "I watched my Peter kill himself saving people during a crisis." Bruce: "I became irradiated during a gamma bomb test and wanted to use my curse as a blessing." Riri: "My 3rd grade teacher bet me I couldn't outdo Tony Stark."
All they had to do was have her teacher believe in her but because theres soooo many geniuses in the marvel universe SHE doesn't believe in HERSELF. She thinks that she is just a fish in a VAST ocean So they add a "healthy" level of insecurity that can be used to build her character from Essentially make her opposite of Tony who was always good at what he did. Pompous and full of himself at first Riri would be this over achiever always trying to outdo herself. And sometimes getting so far ahead of herself she could have to face dire consequences because of how much she wanted her invention to be the next great thing. Looking up to Tony and seeing how he changed for the better, this would inspire her to take it slower and put her technology to better use. Thinking a little more before she acts in the line of "some things should just never be made" I made all this up the moment I began typing this comment btw so its a little rough😂. But this character is NOT that hard to make compelling especially since she is a deritive which marvel ALREADY cracked the formula for back in the 70s... All they had to do was follow their own formula that they used for characters like the OG comic She Hulk by essentially flipping the script which gains acess to a whole new set of potentoal stories
@@no.1spidey-fan182 Thing is, your writing for a Heroic character, and the writers over there don't understand what heroism is. So they write villains without understanding that. Both Riri's original and this introduction are solid Villain origins. Someone who wants an excuse for their behavior and seeks one, and someone who puts no value in the world and people outside of herself. Classic villain archetypes.
One minor detail that Iron Heart lacks is the way her suit plays out, Tony's suit felt heavy, complex, but most importantly realistic, it was a mix of fiction and reailistic along with pretty good visuals, while Iron heart Riri's suit feels looks and feels completelly CGI, and doesnt give the audience an impression of realism
Also, remind me, do we ever see Riri actually put on either suit? One of the best details throughout Iron Man's film history is the suit-up, from the first wholly mechanical suit-up, to the later CGI nano machines suit, it looked cool and gave insight into how the suit functioned at a glance, while also making it seem believable. IIRC, Riri just appears in the scene in her suit every time.
It's also due to a far less able actor/actress. They want us (the audience) to believe a child can do a man's job...but the opposite is true as we see.
Tony Stark is such a good character that legitimately halfway throughout this video I ABSOLUTELY FORGOT that Ironheart was in here somehow. I was too invested in the breakdown of such a good character I genuinely forgot the video was a comparison.
I like the fact that he touched on the one aspect of heroes that I think is sorely missing. These heroes don't save people anymore or don't care about being good. 😢
Dr. Strange cares about saving people he is literally in charge of reality. Spiderman cares about saving people and being good. Thor cares about saving people, saving kids, and being good. Ant-Man cares about being good and takes selfies with people. GOTG cared for and saved both people and animals in the final act. Shazam was saving people and cared about being good. Bucky and Sam saved people and are good. Shxt even Black Adam was saving people in his movie. So who are we talking about exactly? And why do you think this?
@@Byronic19134 I read a comment above about Dr Strange casting a spell on a vendor to himself for 3 weeks for no reason. Now that I think about it, I cannot recall Dr Strange saving, only fighting.
@@Byronic19134You didn't watch the part where Riri blew up a bunch of cops did you? Or do you conveniently leave that out because it makes your moronic perspective look even more so?
@@Byronic19134 seems hes referring to how this iron woman didnt seem to care about dropping a drone on those police officers and or how she could have just flown through the roof but chose to blast an officer in the face before doing so
My favorite part about Riri's role in this movie is how she was able to build a vibranium detector Despite having never seen let alone studied vibranium But she has a machine that can find it
6:32 - That burger king shot was a call back to Downey at his lowest in his career going through a drive through and sitting in his car eating a Whopper and contemplating how low he had gotten. He said that's when he turned around.
I feel like Thanos snapped away not only half of the MCU's population, but also a good chunk of good MCU screenwriters, which Hulk forgot to restore. RIP cool MCU
I mean, to be fair, in the comics she's written that badly as well. In the original introduction where we get her origin story she gets mad at her teacher for NOT discriminating against her and for telling her that she can be anything she wants to be. She harasses the teacher into saying "fine, I guess if you need to be told something you'll never be I guess you'll never be Tony Stark" and that's how she decides to be the next Tony Stark, after harassing her teacher. So, they kind of nailed the narcissistic sociopath. Its just that neither the writers of the comics or the new movies seem to realize that they've written an objectively horrible character. Probably because people without morals have trouble understanding what makes a hero good.
Honestly, that origin would've been incredible for that character if they depicted her as completely misguided to start with. In the comics, I believe Tony was alive and well when Riri was introduced. If they had Riri be the "villain" of her first arc and we get shown through her what it would look like if Tony built the Iron Man suit before his big change of heart in the cave, and they could've had an incredible moment between Tony and Riri where Tony can show how much he's grown since taking on the mantle of Iron Man, an "I used to be you, and believe me it isn't something you should aspire to" moment to show Riri that this person she's trying to emulate isn't who she seemed to think he was, and then have that lay the groundwork for a mentor/student relationship with Riri bringing new perspective to Tony's tech and Tony teaching Riri things she could never even hope to learn had she not chosen this path. As for an MCU version, it obviously wouldn't be quite as effective but they could've easily jigged that around a bit and made it work having Shuri in the mentor role.
@samoclese6435 yeah they could definitely play into the narcissim and ego of legacy characters more sometimes. Not in a bad way but a introspective way of: why do you wish to become the next [blank], what made you think you could actually achieve that goal, etc. But I think writer usually get lost in trying to make viewers/readers instantly fall in love with the successor or replacement instead of implementing flaws into their design.
man i agree honestly i never understood why they didnt use the boy from iron man 3 if they really needed a replacement this bad sure as hell would be better than current ironheart if his daughter doesnt fit cause timeline
Another part of these scenes that I think is a problem, I miss how physical these movies used to be. You look at Iron Man 1, they actually built the suit for Downey to wear for reference and even used it in a number of scenes, and the sets were actual sets. Even the CG looked more realistic since they had real material to work with to base it on, as well as the fact they only had to make one movie at a time and not run the animators into the dirt with like 20 projects at once. You look at the behind the scenes stuff now and it’s all a few actors in a massive green screen room. Everything is done in post, and it shows as so much of the environment feels fake, not really reacting realistically to the characters. These movies might as well move to full animation at this point, hell it would probably improve them by at least adding more style.
The clips of Tony's robot arm that you added in here at 13:08, reminded me of just how much character they were able to give that machine... How often have you felt sorry for a disembodied robotic arm being told that it's worthless?? They managed to make it look and sound DEJECTED. I felt more affection for that piece of metal than anything in phase 4 of Marvel.
In Iron Man 3, after Tony stark just straightup says his address in public media and his house is destroyed by the henchmen of Aldrich Killian, there is a scene where things from his basement were falling into the sea below, and one of those things was that one robot arm that was trying to, but could not, save his "life". I felt so sad about it that at the end of the movie, when Tony leaves the destroyed house with the car full of things and parts, you can see the robotic arm, and that really made me feel better. It's just so wholesome that despite giving it a dunce hat, Tony still cares for his creations. And for the writers, it's amazing that they got this attention to detail.
I kind of see Iron Man as Robert’s rebirth into the better man he is today. The man who everyone loves and looks up to. The man who can carry franchises. The icon he is today not for his turbulent past, but for being the face of a hero who understands the power that comes with that and not taking said power for granted
The scenes of Tony Stark developing his technology were perhaps the best parts of the Iron Man movies because it made these fancy sci-fi gadgets feel like someone's hard work and research rather than just some fun and cool fictional technology. It made the suits and stuff feel so much more special because we got to see how they were developed and made into reality. It almost felt like watching Mythbusters seeing Tony analyzing problems and figuring out solutions and then testing them out with cool guns and explosions and shit. I really wish they kept those parts in the post-Endgame movies because it made these worlds feel more real. They almost pulled it off with Spiderman in No Way Home with Peter using his scientific knowledge to figure out how to help the villains, but it doesn't have quite the same charm because Peter figured it out almost too quickly. It's not like the scenes of Iron Man testing different scenarios with his suits in the first movie, or figuring out the new element in Iron Man 2 or most recently, in Endgame when he spent countless hours figuring out time travel before finally having a eureka moment with the Möbius strip. They have so many opportunities to do this kind of scene again, and I'm really really hoping they do because it might actually get me invested in the mcu again.
@@diegoochoa8050 Its because Riri is better and is more than trustworthy with Stark Tech then Peter will be.Peter had the stark tech and was trusted with E.D.I.T.H. and then he blew it because reasons and now its all gone while Riri on the other hand still has Stark tech and she didn't blow it like peter did and that is why Riri Williams is the best and better Iron Man replacement across the board.
@@brendanbonmon8153and an absolute garbage of a character, like all females characters in modern movies. Why old shows can do relatable and cool women, and now all we get is annoying always-succeding bi**es.
They couldn't do that because then ironmans replacement couldn't be a woman. Remember it's very important that they remain inclusive. This is modern Disney after all.
This us why people wanted peter to be the next iron man. He went from irresponsible to having to carry the weight of his loved ones lives, learned from his mistakes, grew into a more independent and powerful person through suffering, and came out a hero.
What made Stark’s story soooo good was that we (the audience) got to see not only his growth and development as a character, but also the circumstances that spurred said growth and development to occur… We were “along for the ride” so to speak and that built a level of kinship with Tony, allowing us to understand his personality and giving us insight into who he is. I’ll be honest, I haven’t seen the new Wakanda movie and I highly doubt that I will. I have pretty much lost interest in the entire series because of the changes that have been made and I can only assume that they’ll continue down that path further alienating the fans who actually built the franchise…
Chadwick being gone is a big one, but other characters have also been dropped from the franchise. There are branches of the storyline that I don’t really care about or have interest in too. I think the main “change” is the focus of the franchise. They lost me somewhere after Infinity War…
@@jacksonbauer5199 Ah okay. Personally I figure they were always going to struggle after Infinity War/Endgame. Those were the culmination of the entire MCU to that point and they were always going to have trouble building up again from there. It really doesn't help that, as if that movie, they lost the MCU's two main characters in Tony and Steve. It's like continuing The Office after Michael Scott left. At the moment they're throwing things at the wall, to see what sticks - including experimental stuff like WandaVision and She-Hulk. Personally I'm going to give these characters a little time to find their feet before writing them off.
I agree with everything said in this video, and with what you've said in your comment. That being said, if you have the time, do see Wakanda Forever. Not that it's a great movie, but it is a fun watch with amazing visuals and nice fight scenes. Definitely better fight scenes than the first Black Panther movie. And Riri may have sucked but Shuri does get an actual character arc.
I know some consider Iron Heart to be 'empowering' because she took the 'mantle' of Iron Man. What they don't realize is that the only reason why she exists is because Marvel needed a minority character to represent 'Iron Man.' She got the 'sloppy seconds.' She was made for the sake of 'checking off a box.' That's it. And it is honestly pitiful people see this degrading of what could be a fabulous character as 'empowering.' Edit: Jeebus, I really started a war in here, huh. XD
The reason she exists is because there was no one to fill Tony’s shoes. Most original Avengers have sidekicks, fans, or family that fill their shoes after they leave/die. Ironheart is fills that spot in the New or Young Avengers, but with a different personality because it would be boring to have another Tony when you could’ve kept the original one alive. Just because all YOU see is a minority character representing Iron Man doesn’t mean that’s all she is. If she wasn’t black, then the new Iron Man would still be a super smart kid who is capable of making Stark-level tech.
@@isaiah7985 No one could fill the shoes? So I guess Pepper Potts, Rhodey, Stark's actual child, Mary Jane (granted Sony would want a cut with this one), Arno Stark, or they could even use the stablished MCU version of the Iron Legion and let those pre-programmed/remote controlled suits stand in for him don't count? There were plenty of valid options already established, but they went with the literal worst one: a token creation that was written terribly. Good job, I guess.
@@isaiah7985 Lol, no. Your lack of comic knowledge is showing. She's not a MCU exclusive. The original commentor is correct, she was created with the sole purpose of replacing Iron Man with a minority for virtual signaling.
@@isaiah7985 She was designed to be a woman, a black woman, a black non hetero woman who outsmarts one of the smartest men in Marvel comics. She is ONE big virtue signal. You know what characters have? Flaws. She has no flaws like Rey has no flaws. They are bad written paper cut outs, and smooth brained idiots love them anyways, because for them it's sufficient, when you check the boxes.
I went from thinking Ironheart sucked to being deeply saddened by what we have lost recently, not only in entertainment but in inspiration. I'll admit I didn't fully grasp the depth of RDJ's portrayal until seeing this video, but it was done so well that I didn't have to to fundamentally appreciate his character. It is truly one of the best character arcs I've seen, and as painstaking as it was to see his character die it was done to perfect effect and at the right moment to make the most impact. It's just ridiculously unfortunate that either the actor, or the writing around said actor that the mantle was passed to it so underserving in her portrayal. Bad writing can stifle good acting, lucky for us RDJ had room to improvise and infuse *his* character into his character.
Have you ever lived through an artistic golden age of an art form- Hip Hop '90s, Punk '70s, New Wave Cinema Late '60s, etc? We just lived through one but people are in denial that it's over. Kevin Feige and his unique, lightning in a bottle crew of writers and producers had free reign to fulfill their vision because the top corporate suits didn't care yet. But by Age of Ultron everyone was paying attention. Everything comes to an end. We lived through a GOLDEN AGE OF SUPERHERO MOVIES (and tv series) thanks to Marvel and it was something special, and now its ended (Avenger's Endgame was literally the end of this era!). Lets be grateful, and excited about the NEW renaissance in film thats about to come up from the ashes (cuz Hollywood is burning down right now, if you didn't notice!).
I laughed like a dbag in the theater when she said "To be young, gifted, and black, right?" That's it. That's our explanation. "How is she so incredibly perfect at everything she does?" Because she's the best. And black. And young. NO other reasons.
I’m glad I put off watching this. Especially with that line. Narcissism is a plague and it’s rapidly spreading via Hollywood writers trying to pin everything that’s ever happened to someone on their physical appearance. It’s a mindset only a narcissist could have.
Instead of making Riri Williams a poorly illustrated victim? They could have written that her mom is barely there because she's working overtime to take care of her because her father left them or that's what she was told as a kid but in reality he was a shield agent that died on the secret mission dealing with a rough childhood she gets mixed in with the wrong people that use her talent to do bad things she gets caught and arrested but then a neighbor shows up and it ends up being one of Tony Stark's old colleague bails her out of jail ends up being the father she never had and encourages her on the right path but doesn't know that she's being used because the dude is Tony's ex colleague and is working for A.I.M.? And now Riri Williams is dealing with distrust and questioning everything and eventually overcoming it and finding trust and love even with people she might butt heads with but people she can call friends and family. Which I think a lot of teens go through these kinds of emotions especially in today's world. We especially shouldn't encourage or intolerate toxic, narcissistic, and nihilistic behavior it's okay to create a character with these traits as long as we show that they can grow as a person and become better in the end.
one of the thing with this character is the amount of stuff she was able to built as a student. You can be smart, but your resources also contributes to what you can build and how much you can grow. Like Tony is a genius with vast resources and have been working in the industry for years. While in the cave he was given high tech missiles to scavage from to build his first suit (which break down after 1 use). Shuri is a Wakanda princess with technology and resources beyond the scale of normal human. And if you look into another good example of genius with limited resources, Peter Parker makes his web shooter from stuff he can gather around school. It's genius and it works, but it's crude and it shows. This girl seem like she just snaps her finger and high tech stuff just appear from thin air.
you can see it with banner and vision when he put intelligence (jarvis) in the vibrant vessel. Tony provided the resources for his knowledge to flourish but he hasnt had any other moments of material ingenuity due to his limited resources
I also like to note, especially in the first film and EXTREMELY so early on, is how much Tony and Iron Man feel like different people. The cave escape using flamethrowers and slamming people by hand, then the Mk3's first deployment silently killing a dozen men and then wrecking a tank? It's cold, horrifying. Iron Man is born of desperation, then forged in revenge. And I love it.
Black Widow breaking her nose because bad guy made his smell make the Widows unable to kill him was definitely one of the dumbest things I've ever seen. Riri Williams was annoying and if she didn't kill those cops they are at least seriously injured. Marvel seems to be struggling now on what exactly made the original superheroes heroes, 'cause this new batch of "heroes" are committing a lot of crimes that are not justified in the name of saving the world. Or they have the older superheroes act like a jerk to ordinary citizens, like Dr. Strange casting a spell on that poor street vendor who just wanted America to pay for the food she took, but instead he spent three weeks hitting himself.
@@andrewft31 but Punisher's motive was to protect innocent people from criminals. His "execution" was the issue not the motive but the motive of these new heroes is questionable.
@@andrewft31 I always saw the Punisher as more of an anti-hero, like Ghost Rider, Deadpool and Moonknight. Definitely not on the same hero level as Captain America or Iron Man.
@@andrewft31 Frank was never a hero. He was created to answer the question of what would it look like if heroes didn't have a code. As you said, a serial killer.
Ironheart did suck, but she didn't have to. Having someone replace a character as big as Tony Stark NEEDED their own origin film to establish who, why, what, how, etc. Instead, they simply rushed her character, no care for proper buildup or growth, just "here she is and she is so amazing and better than Stark." She was not given enough time, they missed that chance and this is the origin she will be remembered by.
@@Exalted_Truth Pfft, Marvel is just desperate to create new characters, since the pillars who supported the entire franchise are gone. Even Thor now is just a joke, I remember watching Thor 3 and I enjoyed the hell out of that movie, then when I went to watch Thor 4...it just felt awkward the comedy was there but it was so shallow....
She'll have her own series. And I don't know why everyone thinks she's intended as a replacement for Tony. She uses tech based on his and is smart and that's basically where the character similarities end. And what makes you say they're showing her as better than Stark? The movie shows her making a few errors due to her inexperience as a hero.
@@irrevenant3 Let's see... Built an iron man suit and overcame Tony's problem that was shown in Iron Man 1. Is somehow more intelligent. And not to mention that with Vibranium she somehow created an iron man suit and whoop a lot of the cronies with 0 problems. She is a replacement because she is the only one shown to have an iron man suit after Tony died. I want an Iron Lad. Not a shallow Iron Heart. But here we are
@@pootispow3232 If you think she's more intelligent than Tony, that's fine. I don't see it. Of course she's able to build an Iron suit more easily than Tony - he was doing it from scratch, and she's building based on all the work he already did. And, as others keep pointing out in this thread she made rookie mistakes that Tony never did. Weirdly people seem to be simultaneously arguing that she's shown as better than Tony *and* that she's shown as repeatedly messing up. It can't be both. Look, Tony was probably the single best character in the MCU. No, Riri isn't as good - no-one is. Can we give her a chance to properly establish herself as her own separate character before screaming her down? Infinity War/Endgame tied off ten years worth of build up and wrote out the MCU's two best characters. It's going to take them a while to build up anything close to that again. If we keep trying to compare brand new characters to brilliantly fleshed out ones like Tony they're never going to have a chance to find their feet. This is an initial cameo appearance. It's like Spider-Man's appearance in Civil War. Let's give her a proper chance to establish herself as a character before we go laying the boot in. Remember how crap early Thor and Hulk were?
I think a big thing not discussed is that Wakanda Forever is an example of Marvel suffering from the weight of their own success. The first Iron Man movie was a GAMBLE. If it didn’t succeed, there arguably would not be an MCU or even a Marvel Studios. So I think a looot of work went into making the public care about a character they didn’t know about (folks forget Iron Man was not a popular character and that’s a testament to Marvel Studios for changing that). In addition to the effort, it’s more or less a standalone movie until the Nick Fury cameo. Wakanda Forever has waaay too much going on: a movie paying respect to Chadwick, trying to justify Shuri as the next in line, establishing Namor AND his people (and mutants), establishing Ironheart as the Tony replacement. .. There was no guarantee that Iron Man was going to work but they already had plans to do an Ironheart show. I think in addition to the writing, that’s the bigger issue: they don’t feel like they have to try to convince us to root for a character
I personally think a nice intro for Ironheart could of been Riri living in a neighborhood ravaged by the battle of new york and building off of the weapons trade shown in Spiderman Homecoming. A gifted genius who helped make ends meet by working with alien tech being procured and distributed by a rival group similar to the one Vulture was running, and using technology hidden away to make her suit to fight against this group at some point to protect her friends and family. Group holding her family up in exchange for forcing her to help. And maybe some manner of Hydra or new enemy activity funding the group in order to sew chaos. Could of had some real Luke Cage moments in there I think, but ah well.
14:30 I didn’t even realize that cause yea she’s basically the reason all that bad stuff in the movie even happened because she created something dangerous just to say I told u so and then didn’t even want to help after she found out her creations basically caused a war
To be fair, she was NEVER going to replace Iron Man. They could have a time machine, access to every actress that ever existed and unlimited funding and she wasn't going to replace Iron Man. But they could have made her a better character in her own right.
wasnt one of the main points about spiderman being that nobody could replace tony, and that peter had to be his own person? why did they just completely forget that
@@right584 by not wasting every moment to develop her character for cheap humor, petty behavior, and incoherrent actions that don't line up with the context of the story, like the video explained
The biggest flaw in this is probably the fact that tony was a billionaire and had money to buy materials and make his suit, but somehow a college student who was just asking for $800 from another student suddenly has millions of dollars worth of materials and tech
Being 23, I’m glad my childhood involved growing up with the iron man movies. It’s what solidified my love for the character. First Spider-Man, and then iron man was added onto that favourite super hero list. Remember pretending to be iron man in that hardecote scene, I got a cheap iron man kids helmet, made a homemade ark reactor using a push light and sticking it to my shirt. I think I had a toy glove that made the sound when I moved my hand up. Also had the iron man game on ps2. There was also an iron man website online that you used your computers webcam, and it placed an iron man helmet on your head, as well as an inside helmet view. This iron heart is terrible, and is amongst the reasons why I don’t watch any modern day marvel. I stick to the classics from my childhood.
Same the new movies to me feel so fake compared to the original. To me the start was in end game with the hulk. I get it on terms of character growth for him but in terms of portraying him it felt so disingenous to how he was in previous movies
Ironheart had a scene where the badass bald black woman has her appearance mocked and then have her be EMBARRASSED by it? I don’t even really care about the character, yet I’m annoyed by the disrespect.
So let me get this straight. A White Russian dude steals iron man’s design for his suit and makes his own, causes destruction with it and is labeled a “villan” but when a black girl steals the design of iron man’s suit makes it her own and causes destruction on a similar level through negligence she’s “the hero”??
@@Devson452 their intentions doesnt matter, theyre out to chase/arrest whoever it was + all the other secrets they have with them (namor, riri’s vibranium detector, and the suit) & theyre literally doing espionage ☠️ best they can do is to escape asap. did u even watch the movie
I think what made MCU worked was that in the beginning, the people involved behind the scenes were actually fans of the heroes they were working on and are mostly familiar with their background story, while in these new MCU, the characters are not really popular, but they had no choice but to introduce these characters, since End Game was indeed the end for MCU, it was a wrap that they refused to acknowledge. (it's also possible that many people from the 1st MCU were replaced by people who aren't fans of these comic heroes and are only interested in pushing their agenda)
How about going back to Howard Stark who elected his (back then) immature and irresponsible son to lead the company instead of his savvy brother, causing the build up of resentment for the hit to happen in the first place.
I know I'm being stupidly pedantic but if Riri was smart enough to have built an Ironman suit from scratch, she wouldn't be 19 or 20 and still at college. She'd have been one of those ultra geniuses who graduate at 16.
EXACTLY! Tony attended MIT for 2 years and graduated at 17 and it still took him so much time and effort, while being a fkking billionaire, to build his suits and then we have this girl who did everything without understanding it and not being rich.
Why go to the trouble of setting up the suit reveal when you're just going to have somebody shout "Oh shit, she's got an Iron Man suit!" moments before you show it? Do the writers trust our intelligence or not??
Riri is kinda like this in the comics as well. Was never really a reason given for her being there, but there she is. She is also literally introduced having an Iron Man suit fully made and everything.
The reason I like Steve Rogers Captain America is because of his morale, this character is inspiring because he will always do what he feels is right, he's the kind of guy who would jump on a grenade to save your life. He doesn't give up when he's face with impossible odds. That's a hero ! ... I dont know what the hell those new character are suppose inspire in people?
Yeah, even though there was beef between tony and steve they both were great characters and everyone knew that mcu could rely on both of them. these new characters are trash.
When I watched Black Panther 2, I only knew that the character who is Iron Heart would be in it, but I expected it to just be Riri Williams. I did not expect her to not only already have a prototype suit, but also a super-upgraded suit in the first movie she was in. I thought they'd just give Iron Heart her own movie but I guess I was wrong.
Iron hearts whole thing was she was mentored by Ironman but that wouldn’t make much sense because he’s dead and it wouldn’t really fit into the timeline
What movie was she in? I'm strangely proud not to have known there was a new Iron Person. I thought his daughter was going to eventually fill Tony's suit.
I think what also helps iron man’s case for believability is that he built his suit out of desperation. Whereas Riri just kind of, does it? You know what they say, necessity is the mother of invention.
Tony only manages to built his first suit thanks to the help of another scientist he didn't do it by himself it were a team effort, and even with his help the suit only work for a short time before collapsing. Riri on the other hand just happen to get the material to built her suit as least Tony is rich so getting the materials for it is easy where does she even the get tool for this, I would assume she steals them because no way some one like her can get all the stuff for this.
I wish they waited a few years to when Morgan was older and she followed he her dad's footsteps and made her own suit but her fear of death passed over from losing her dad prevents her from using the suit herself so instead she let's her adrenaline loving best friend to use it (Riri) and become Iorn heart. They could tie it in to being Roadie's adopted daughter or something and have an intesting dynamic there. They can down the line have her realize shes only making suits to be like her dad and she wants to do other things leaving Riri who now has more experience continue on her own and make her own suits.
Even the line explaining that she has a class would be so much more realistic if it was just calculus or just calc. Almost everyone actually taking classes like that shortens it to something that they can just quickly say. Psycology turns into psyc, chemistry turns into chem, etc. Anything else other than a broad category or shortened version of it might as well be phoning in whatever point the writers are trying to make with the line. Even the MC explaining that she has a spotty attendance that will make going on such an excursion extremely risky would do some great work to characterize her, and set up a low stakes plotline in the future.
Really takes you out of the scene at 12:50 when you realise that the HUD doesn't follow her line of sight when she's woo-hooing. Whole point of the thing's to be a VR gaming style interface, what's the point if you need to turn your head every time you want to know your stats?
One of the things I've praised frequently with Iron Man over later movies of the MCU is the level of detail they showed of Tony putting his suit together. We are talking about those welding scenes, those testing scenes (of each individual part, and then together, which is how you do it in reality) every assembling part coming together, etc, which were just mesmerising, because those scenes were impressive, even if you're not into mechanics and what not. I was much more impressed with the development of the first Iron Man suit than the introduction of the nano suit. Similarly, Spider-Man (Tobey Maguire) also did the same thing, where he drafted his suit, tried out his abilities, etc. Both had a similar formula, both succeeded beyond imagination, it's not a coincidence.
What you fail to realize is that this is Disney versus when Marvel was independent. Disney does not care nor have any interest in the true Marvel stories. If you look at how the original Iron Man was written, it was truly based on Marvel genre. Now it's just become a marketing scheme to print money.
The fact there was NOTHING about Yinsen in Endgame shows me they forgot who Tony was in the end. Remember when Thanos snapped his fingers and then was transported for a blink of time into the Soul stone, and had that vision of a young Gamora when brought to the place between time and space, the place where the Japanese ideology of the afterlife and death? Why didn't they, Marvel and the production team for Endgame, have Tony appear in a similar place after he snaps his finger, and Yinsen is standing there with his wife and kids, back facing Tony, and when he walks closer to see who it is, Tony is taken aback, seeing a long-lost friend who practically gave him a new life....and in that moment, Yinsen could've smiled and said "Did you waste it?" And Tony, being absolutely filled with unfathomable joy and peace smiles with tears in his eyes and says back, "Not a chance, old friend." And Yinsen could laugh with him, embrace one another and both exchange looks of solemn duty fulfilled...then, in his last moments, could hear a loud bell, gong, horn, choir or whatever (depending on what Tony would see in that Soul stone, since Thanos attuned more to a Shinto-minded theology), then Yinsen could turn back and look at Tony, hold out his hand, and smiling say, "Then it's time..." From there, it could go back to Tony dying as normal, and drawing his final breath. Instead, Tony's dead now, and onto female Mary-Sue Ironwoman, SORRY...IRONHEART.
The did. It was a scrapped scene with his grown up daughter. You can probably still find it somewhere on the internet. It was cut either because it didn't fit somehow or it made the movie too long.
Harley should've been the next ironman but noooooo, marvel absolutly needs to fuck everything up, just imagine seeing so kind of flashback where we see harley use the lab given by tony to create an iron man suit, but lets face it, its too late
8:26 When she say "I like her" it sound kinda forced. It different when Thor say he like captain marvel, because she doesn't even move when Thor take his hammer. While all she do just throwing stuff, and the dialogue should be just like "Are you sure about this girl?"
The only time I think I’ve ever seen Riri get any love was during the Champions Charge comics. She was still forced into the franchise but was written well enough that she received respect from the fans
Stark was an imperfect man with more vices than virtues and an ego that was larger than life who went through a traumatic experience, learned the error of his ways, and changed for the better, while still maintaining that roguish charm and quick wit we all knew and loved. His replacement is a part of Marvel's latest venture to boost ticket sales by promoting black and female characters, and because of this, they presented her as this perfect wonder-child that always wins no matter what. Her origin story is basically just how her teachers in college (that she got into early because of how smart she is) didn't think she was the greatest thing since sliced bread. While discovering that people who are older and more experienced are often right would have been a great moment for her character, she instead proves them wrong (somehow) with the help of another flawless black female character, who suffers no consequences for her anger issues and is very specifically shown to be stronger than every male character she meets, even when it makes no sense. Disney, and by extension now, Marvel, is afraid to show "minority" characters as flawed, but that's what makes a character great in the first place: the ability to find a way to succeed in a believable way despite their flaws. The holy trinity of Marvel, Captain America, Iron Man, and Thor, are either gone or replaced with lesser versions of themselves, including Falcon, who was did a great job in his original role, now trying to be the new Captain America with sage advice on how to solve the current housing and unemployment crises like "be better", and a random scientist that dumped the god of thunder in a devastating way for terrible reasons somehow being worthy enough to wield Mjolnir and take the heartbroken Thor's place as a superhero. Even Hulk now has to contend with Disney's version of She-Hulk, who I guess has a uterus and ovaries that give her the power to bullshit her way through years of training in a single moment and break the third wall like Deadpool, but on steroids. Even Black Panther (the real one) was basically sainted despite the Dora Milaje actually being representatives from each of the tribes that served as both royal guards and wives, which somehow didn't stop him from marrying, impregnating, and divorcing Ororo Munroe in the comic books. That's right, the random lady in Wakanda Forever was originally supposed to be Storm from the X-Men, and I'm still salty that Marvel Studios didn't go with that plot. Sorry for the tangent, but my point still stands: these new "superheroes" are just flawless Mary-Sues designed to fill seats in theaters rather than actually be paragons of the genre.
Have you ever lived through an artistic golden age of an art form- Hip Hop '90s, Punk '70s, etc? We just lived through one but people are in denial that it's over. Kevin Feige and his unique, lightning in a bottle crew of writers and producers had free reign to fulfill their vision because the top corporate suits didn't care yet. But by Age of Ultron everyone was paying attention. Everything comes to an end. We lived through a GOLDEN AGE OF SUPERHERO MOVIES (and tv series) thanks to Marvel and it was something special, and now its ended (Avenger's Endgame was literally the end of this era!). Lets be grateful, and excited about the NEW renaissance in film thats about to come......
@@juniorjames7076 you're smoking crack dude. these new superhero movies are copy paste dogshit with no inspiration whatsoever. Bunch of mary sues and then insert funny joke here, roll credits. that must be what mindless potatoes like you enjoy though huh?
This isn’t an ironheart issue, it’s a director/script writer issue. They don’t have the same passion for these projects like they used to so everything now feels like a soulless cash grav
Man, you nailed it and gained a sub, even the big reviewers are so desperate for clicks that they are putting out clickbait titles like "DEADPOOL and Wolverine First Look Footage" and then talking about shit we all know and don't have anything to offer but lies. Respect for your honesty.
Comic Riri's first suit was based on an abandoned Iron Man suit she had, and was only possible by stealing many MANY components from a comic book level MIT. It also barely worked, much like Tonys first. Despite being made in a university workshop and not a cave. It was extraordinary, but believable for a comic genius.
Okay, so you want a young black woman in an Iron Man suit? Have her get an internship at Stark Industries. She can be their star intern, have scenes where she is working on systems for one of the later suits. Then Endgame happens. Have her break down at the Stark memorial... and then vow to keep up the work. Cut to a scene of her driving a truck full of old Ironman suits and scrap bits for "disposal". Cue a montage of her assembling the suit, working on pieces, This sets up for the scene where she is getting hired on full-time to work on Vibranium detector.
I think our biggest problem is that we think Iron Heart has arrived to replace Tony's role on the MCU when their importance are completely different! As she was introduced in BP:WF she looks more like a side character than the next man of steel. It reminds me of Rhodes. And I don’t think they’ll try to make her the next biggest hero of an entire saga.
The final scene comparison nailed it. In iron-man, it showed how he grew as a character, realised his flaws and purpose at the same time. Whereas in Ironheart’s case, she just did it to prove a point because she felt oppressed (i.e. pushing the one true narrative). Oh how the MCU has fallen.
First introduction of the girl, who is black, taking someone's phone? Sounds about right if you look at the contents of her character. Does not surprise me at seeing a black girl stealing someone's phone, whether they gave it back. Maybe they should do a regular character. God forbid they recycle fail attempts at a show in the 2020 decade
If she’s already built an iron man suit and a vibranium detector, I wonder what she’s gonna be able to do after she finishes learning differential equations
There's no way in hell the first Iron Man (or the sequel) could be made today. Every other scene would be "cancelled" today. Kevin Fiege and this crew of writers and producers had free reign to fulfill their vision because the top corporate suits didn't care yet. But by Age of Utron everyone was paying attention. Everything comes to an end. We lived through a GOLDEN AGE OF SUPERHERO MOVIES, and it was something special. Avenger's Endgame was literally the END of that Golden Age. Its over. Be excited for whats next in film......
The funny thing is, RiRi's teacher in the comics DIDN'T tell her she couldn't do anything, she said she could be anything she wanted, and in the comics riri was UPSET because she wanted to be held back so she could prove someone wrong. She WANTED a chip put on her shoulder. Her origin reads more like a sociopathic villain than a hero, especially with how she steals iron man suit designs.
@@Cho0segoose WHY DO THEY DELETE THOOSE GOOD SCENES. THE SAME WITH SPIDERMAN CALLING THE COPS. THE SAME WITH WHEN (I forgot bros name) SAID THEY COULD COMBINE THEIR BEST (he got hulk muscles and Hulk got his brain)
Tony's trauma: Losing both his parents, being ambushed by terrorists using his own weapons, being abducted by those terrorists, being tortured by those terrorists, watching Yinsen his only companion during his captivity die for him, being betrayed by his business partner, having his suit damaged and almost destroyed by the son of his father's former business partner, flying a nuke into a rift portal above New York City and almost dying, being kidnapped by a different terrorist group, seeing his partner be injected with a mutagen by the leader of that terrorist group, creating Ultron, fighting the Hulk, causing the deaths of hundreds of people at Sokovia, almost killing his best friend, learning the identity of the man who killed his parents and being unable to take revenge, realising what having created the Sokovian Accords actually allows the government to do, being beaten and almost killed by the genocidal alien, having his "son" Iron Boy Junior die in his arms as he was killed by said genocidal alien and being stuck on a broken down spaceship for a month. Riri's "trauma": Her teacher once told her "You will never be... Tony Stark." when she was a child.
@@Redacted_Theorist Yyyyyup. And Disney wants us to root for the spoiled teenager as much as they want us to root for Iron man. Ain’t ever EVER gonna happen
@Werewolf.with.Internet.Access what makes me really mad is that, compared to Iron Man, this character is written like a 4 year olds original character. She's almost perfect all the time and barely ever loses anything. Really just shows Disney loves reputation. Only problem? Disney thinks representation means "YOU GET ALL THE CASH IN THE WOOORLD!" They really want money all the time, so why not use "representation" all the time! So they take their old movies and were popular, make them a live-action, and cast a "diverse" actor to play the role. Unlike some of their old live-action remakes, they don't even tweak the story a little to keep it original.
I don't think representation is bad. That is stupid. But taking something already popular and changing it isn't representation, it's lazy. Why not do something like The Princess and the Frog? That had diverse characters but DIDN'T take away from something else.
I like how, after Stark's story is so perfectly straightforward, five seconds into summarizing Ironheart's introduction, there's already glaring questions such as "How did she build a detector for a substance that is essentially absent from America... where she developed the detector"
Tbf, it isn't implausible that an innovation for one thing is used for another entirely different thing. Radar tech gave birth to Nuclear Magnetic Resonance, which was adapted into the medical instrument we know as the MRI.
Question was HOW this particular character... this apparently regular student managed to meet the implausible condition of building a detector for a substance that's not common or local to her reality. 🤦🤷♂️.
I can think of a theoretical way, something in the lines of "Vibranium has this or that characteristic", or reacts to X that other way", things than can be known about the material, but they expect us to assume "she's a genius", and that's it.
Part of what I like about Ironman is that the first batch of suits felt and looked like they could almost be real. We got to see him build them and that none of them were perfect and had flaws like you'd expect in real life. He didn't just build a perfect suit on his second try. Part of his brilliance was showcased by how each suit evolved and improved on the last which is something we don't really see with Ironheart
Yeah, like how mark II was bad at high altitudes, so mark III improved on that by switching up the material. Then, when mark III/the suitcase suit got manhandled by electric whip man, he improved on it again and this is shown with the mark IV in the first avengers, where Thor electrocutes him, but it just gives him more power instead.
I still remember when the Mark IV was new and thought it was the hottest shıt ever, especially since I used to have a small magazine that allowed me look over and compare all the suits at the time. Just seeing how much less bulk the Mark IV had to the (previously state of the art) Mark III was like comparing an F/A-18F with an F-104C.
@@ilovewaffles321 Just to clarify, the Mark III wasn't used in Iron Man 2, since Tony uses the Mark IV for most of it until he creates the Mark VI at the end. The Suitcase Suit is designated Mark V.
I think the issue is they do not want spend all the time building up the tech again after the first iron man did it. So they are skipping the scene and making Riri start at level 10 outside the killing sewer rats phase.
It says a lot that they knew her comics introduction was so bad that they had to completely re-write it, and they still managed to make it arguably worse. Good job, DisneyMarvel.
That's a pretty impressive feat, considering her comic origin included her literally asking her teacher to be racist/sexist towards her so she would have a goal in life. Pretty hard to do worse than that
@@totallynotamimic3522 My favorite bit of her comic introduction was the 4-5 panels of her just staring daggers at her teacher because the teacher refused to be racist and sexist at her. I mean...wtf?
@@legendarymarston9174 not a joke that how she was introduce in the comic. What we are seeing in the screen now is how modern comic writers see the world now. Waiting for all the big/ gay hero to start popping out in the next few years in film cause of this.
the thing with the icing scene that made it work so good was tony pulling the air break. His suit had a mechanical system, a back up. Almost like he expected something like this and planned ahead. He didn't just luck out, his genius design had tools he could use and his galaxy brain gave him the insight to use them.
Thats what i'm saying, he had something non digital, a physical system as a failsafe for something like this. Instead, Riri just defies the damn laws of physics and somehow floats above the water after plumeting 1000's of feet. Just looking at tony's scene he understands how to fly when in that situation, instead of trying go straight up and slow himself, he leans into the flight path and pulls up in a curving motion. It's almost like i dunno the people writing these movies were actually trying at the time.
He's an arms genius. Military hardware is generally designed with several redundant systems in place. He knows his gear so well because he also built it. Cracking writing!
My biggest issue with Ironheart is how quickly she went from a scrappy looking suit to a literal god-tier Wakandan one within minutes, and also the fact that the Wakandan suit looked like fake plastic CGI garbage
That atrocious suit design is enough to inspire hatred all by itself. She never struggled, she never failed and she never reached a profound realization of her inadequacies in order to grow from it and become a better person. She’s just written to be not only as good but even better than Tony Stark while doing absolutely nothing to earn it, it’s insulting and one of many reasons comic fans despise her.
She has enough fans to be put in a movie tho lol 😂 she did struggle it just wasn’t in the movie 🎥 people are just mad her suit is better than Tony’s Tony’s suit is made of gold titanium alloy, her suit is made of vibranium which is stronger. The suits are powered by the same arc reactor. Therefore her suit is stronger as it has better defence vibranium is stronger than gold-titanium that’s just facts. Captain America ripped off Tony’s helmet with his bare hands. So you are factually wrong. Imagine all these people getting upset over fictional characters they must really have no lives. U can’t say she has no struggle when her dad literally died that’s a struggle and she’s from low income. And anyone saying “go read a comic” ok nerds I’ll read the comic and still like her character. You all can’t handle someones opinion. Nobody cares that you like tony stark better and tons of people love she hulk and ms marvel is the greatest marvel project ever made. Rdj is the best iron man actor but get over yourselves all you are being d riders and have been brainwashed by his acting in over 7 movies and the comics you like and are comparing that to 15 minutes of screen time lol. Tony’s character is arrogant and u say she can’t be? Sounds racist to me… Get a grip on reality , touch a whole lot of grass because only corny internet people care about getting “ratioed” I couldn’t care less when I have a song out on Spotify with 110,000 plays. Can’t wait for iron heart to come out!!!! Bc she will be back whether you like it or not!!!! SO I WIN!!!! :D keep arguing like a bunch of nerds . Oh yeah and TONY IS DEAD LOL 🥦🥦🥦🥦🥦🥦🥦🥦🥦🥦 His daughter gonna get a iron man suit without earning it too!! They are all nerds who go to Comic-Con and simp for fictional characters I’m not even dissing just stating facts. They want to fit in so bad they agree with whatever everyone else thinks about comics so that they won’t lose their identity and fake friends. They’re starved for attention and their only friend is tony stark bc they feel alone in a cave their whole life and need a suit of comic book armor to get friends and will spend all their money at comic con to feel included in something. Way to stick your ground and not stoop to their level of insults just because of differing opinions. That shows character in todays day and age where people will agree with everyone else bc they need likes to feel secure about themselves were talking about the MOVIES and a comic getting cancelled doesn’t mean anything. There’s a number of factors which cause comics to do well such as the economy I didn’t get ratioed…. All your comments got 0 likes and mine got 9. So you got ratioed actually! Thanks for watching
@@elephant_rap I have my doubts about a fan base considering her comic sales tanked and was subsequently canceled. And her suit was never explained either, she just magically built it. Why? She was essentially handed the position of Iron Man while being shown to do nothing to be worthy of it. That’s why her comic sales tanked so hard alongside Ms Marvel, comic readers can’t respect a hero with no redeeming personality or flaws who you’re expected to celebrate by writers who keep overtly shoehorning them in as perfect when they’re just arrogant, condescending and toxic.
In my experience when someone is rude to you the last thing you want to say is "I like this one". Not only lazy writing (because they keep doing it) but utter nonsense in a real social situation
An additional observation. Black Panther 2 was a challenging movie. Asking backup characters to try to carry a whole movie. Extremely poor time to introduce a whole new character (iron heart). Her whole presence seemed forced and like terrible writing
Exactly. Its just piss poor writing and plot holes all around. We know how Tony was able to afford the ability to build his suit, because hes a fucking tech mogul and a massive industry giant, literally a massive weapons manufacturer and multi billionaire. Building the suit to him was probably STILL just a drop in the bucket overall, everything included. But to some fucking college student working out of a bumfuck nowhere warehouse where you'd have to steal everything at best? No way you'd be able to buy even HALF of the stuff you'd need at that tech level, god forbid assemble most of it with your bare hands. Tony had the machinery to build most of his stuff, where the hell did RiRi get the machinery to build and refine her metals and tech? I dont see any metal presses or forges in that warehouse lmao. Such a shit written character, Marvel has gone so far downhill
@@digitalcurrentsthose box of scraps are full of components used to build WMDs. What Obadiah meant was that Tony didn't have the industrial grade equipment and resources his engineers have at their disposal not that he literally had to work with just a box of scraps lmao.
also it doesn't matter how intelligent you are but marvel made this girl do things that apparently no one in the world at 17 just because she's the main character
In retrospect I am glad Tony Stark sacrificed himself, removing himself from the MCU. After what they did to Thor I can't even begin to imagine what they would have done to Tony Stark. I base this off how Tony Stark is the antithesis of the message Disney wants to put out and how his character was treated in "What if...?"
What if honestly has to be some of the most dogshit writing i have ever seen in a film/series by a major hollywood studio... some "cool" ideas (also some really stupid ones) but terrible execution.. not to mention that "animation" idk if it can even be called that... that shit made my eyes bleed
If that Harley kid from iron man 3 become the next iron man it would be better and makes more sense. Here's why: -His life was saved by tony -He knew peter parker -He is a smart mf -He gave tony the idea to make iron man suit more stealthy while just being an 11 year old kid -He actually have a solid relationship with Tony which gave him a clear reason to become the next iron man (Extra reason) He look handsome af in endgame [im not a simp]
Honestly her lack of care for others is what puts me off her. A character's morality is one of the most interesting things about them. It will determine their actions, goals and ideals throughout their show. If it is established that a character doesn't care about innocents then a scene where they ignore people dying to further their own goals makes sense. But if their goals involve getting involved in a war to save other innocent people it makes you question why they are so willing to help one group but not another.
She's a angsty teenager focused on her education. She was on scholarship at MIT, don't go to class she gets kicked out. The gravity of the situation isn't gonna set in instantly.
@@GerardGousman They can show that, hell, 20 seconds of film showing her getting incredibly anxious & panicky when she gets caught in traffic or something while she needs to get to class, or maybe just a small phone call with her parents telling them how proud they are of her getting into MIT, or maybe, BOTH Also, once its established, it can't just be dropped, there have to be continuous scenes where there is conflict between pursuing a conventional education & her heroic goals; hell, show her on the verge of getting on academic probation, trying to argue her way out with the fact she's saving lives, & the structure of academia is just refusing to accommodate her because it's not their problem There are many, many ways to do this, this is why he makes the point that nothing is wasted in the original Iron Man, they make use of every second, while here they just seemingly don't understand the value of time at all
It’s not your job to defend bad writing. It’s Marvel/Disney’s job to, among other things, produce good writing. You should be chastising Disney for writing crap, instead of doing mental gymnastics to pretend it’s not crap.
Yes, Tony is an amazing character and RDJ did an amazing job of playing him. No-one's going to replace Tony and Riri isn't an attempt to do so, she's a different character. Let's give her a chance to find her feet rather than hating on her before her show's even dropped.
@@Kai97119 Are you advocating that we should default to disliking any character that isn't immediately great? So we should be hating on Thor and Hulk for their mediocre starts, and maybe even Dr Strange (who, let's face it, was pretty much a lame Tony Stark rip off in his first film - he didn't really hit his stride until Infinity War)? Personally I thought She-Hulk was fine. Not amazing, and not without its flaws (for starters can we please have more actual legal scenes in a series called She-Hulk: Attorney at Law?), but the more laid back/slice-of-life approach to superheroing was a nice change of pace. And the show was overall pretty fun, as was the meta-commentary angle (and yes, I agree Deadpoil did it better, but it was still fun enough here). Series 1 was decent and I'm hopeful that series 2 will iron out some of the kinks and be even better.
@@irrevenant3 comparing Thor and Hulk's first movie to the mediocre as fuck She-Hulk show is not only insulting but just flat out embarrassing. I'd happily rewatch their origins than have to witness She-Hulk twerk.
2/3 of the original Iron Man is watching him develop the suit(s) through trial and error. It was fascinating and when he uses it to save the hostages it all feels so earned.
And thats why Iron Heart here feels unearned, cause we don't see any of that struggle. We just learned her name and ope, she's also a genius who built a special vibranium radar and ope, she already has an ironman suit and ope, ITS ALREADY FUNCTIONAL BITCHES LETS FLY YEEEEEEEEEEEAH!!
We get the suit before we get to really see any of her character.
EXACTLY earned is the key word.
Yes because it was IronMan movie while RiRi show has not yet released so the comparison is ridiculous you would have to compare her to Hawkeye or Nat.
@@Byronic19134, let's explore that.
Nat was undercover as some kind of assistant to Tony in Iron Man 2, right? Then she slowly reveals her fighting abilities on his bodyguard in a comedic boxing scene. Then she plays a decent supporting role in the final battle, as full on Black Widow; knock out some goons without killin em, hack stuff, look hot doing it, see y'all in the next one. I don't know if that's much development? But it's something.
I don't remember much of Clint's development in Thor; I'd have to see it again. He has a moment where he could take a killshot at Thor, and for some reason he doesn't. He gets much more to do in the Avengers movies, as does Nat.
Personally, even from the glimmers I can remember, I think they're both better written than this version of Iron Heart.
Bad take you’re comparing 3 films of character development to a character in a film that isn’t even hers. This makes no sense and Iron man is my favorite character. This it a ridiculous comparison.
Rewatching Iron Man was a very weird experience. You can feel how far Marvel has strayed from making special characters.
You saw the difference between Marvel storytelling, and Disney "storytelling". One was skillful, talented, and full of lessons that apply to everyone. The other was backed up by woke, mouse-driven dollars, aimed at brainwashed cultists.
Ms Marvel came out last year and everyone loved Kamala
@@Mopark25 I didnt. I couldnt even finish the first episode. Also it has pretty low ratings so you're wrong
@@edsmiley5134 98% on Rotten Tomatoes and 78% on Metacritic 😂 Looks like you're wrong.
Disney has had control over these critic websites ever since shit hit the fan for them. I don't look at these anymore because 90% of THEM are just woke activists who cant be reasoned with just like you 😑
Seeing these scenes made me realise that Tony - who started out as a war profiteer, even if he thought he was only selling to the US Army - cares so much more about lives than Riri. As soon as he gets back, he immediately shuts down his weapons division simply because he saw terrorists had his weapons. He only uses his most dangerous stuff on people we all know definitely deserved it, and when he couldn't take a less lethal approach.
Also, the joy of the Iron Man suit was that it looked realistic. It looked like something that theoretically could exist in our world. Ironheart just looks like cheap CGI; it looks like it belongs in a CGI Tv show rather than a multi-million dollar film.
Look like someone fused the original Iron Man suit with a Gundam.
@@omegaslayer Totally unrelated to your reply, but why does the Ironheart suit, remind me of a bee?
@@nnnnmhughuuhhjiijj9457 Good lord. She’ll literally be a few steps away to appear in a crossover film with Ant Man.
Did you by any chance watch he new transformes? 1 to 1 the same suit
@@nnnnmhughuuhhjiijj9457 I was thinking the same thing. She looks like she came out of the cartoon
It would have been acceptable if the kid from Iron Man 3 took the mantle as he's the one who makes much more sense than what we had.
He looks like discount Garfield
Amazing iron man🎉
The kid from iron man 3 is Tom Holland's spiderman (not Tomm Holland himself, but his character)
@@LiterallyMe05no it’s the kid from Iron Man 2
no they need gender equality and just that no explanations given no fucks given about plotholes just make the team half girl yeee slaaaaay queeeeeeeeen
@@LiterallyMe05 that's the kid in iron man 2 with the iron man mask on at the end fight
So many years between the first “I am Ironman” to the last “I am Iron Man.” It was a hell of a payoff and a hell of a ride we went on. Everything after has been a insult to Iron Man, Stan Lee and us.
Not everything.
Far From Home, No Way Home, Loki, Wandavision, Hawkeye, Falcon and the Winter Soldier, Across the Spider-Verse, and Guardians of the Galaxy 3 are all good.
@@sergeantlightning6178 hard disagree on half of those
@@MoojinBoi I assume you arent a fan of the TV shows?
coz GotG 3 and all of the spider-man after were amazing
@@sergeantlightning6178Wandavision sucked hard. The episodes in the Next were Amazing but at the end, It became a Hypocrite movie. If they followed the formula of the First few episodes and didn't chicken out, It would have been the best TV show. Across the Spiderverse Is easily the best choice there.
Fun fact: in the original comics Riri’s teacher originally supported her and said she could do anything she put her mind to. However Riri wanted to feel oppressed and basically demanded her teacher tell her the opposite. Fed up with it the teacher said “Fine, you can’t be like Iron Man.”
So there you have it Ironheart’s story is she wanted to be better then Tony Stark, whereas Iron Man’s story is that he wanted to be better then the man he was.
Edit: Wow, thanks for so many likes guys! 😊
"What inspired you to be a hero?"
Peter: "Uncle Ben taught me that with great power must also come great responsibility."
Miles: "I watched my Peter kill himself saving people during a crisis."
Bruce: "I became irradiated during a gamma bomb test and wanted to use my curse as a blessing."
Riri: "My 3rd grade teacher bet me I couldn't outdo Tony Stark."
@@bryanwoods3373 worse than that it’s more of ‘I forced my teacher to say that I can’t be iron man’
@@enzoongweekiat1711 and the forced Teacher was right she can't...
All they had to do was have her teacher believe in her but because theres soooo many geniuses in the marvel universe SHE doesn't believe in HERSELF. She thinks that she is just a fish in a VAST ocean
So they add a "healthy" level of insecurity that can be used to build her character from
Essentially make her opposite of Tony who was always good at what he did. Pompous and full of himself at first
Riri would be this over achiever always trying to outdo herself. And sometimes getting so far ahead of herself she could have to face dire consequences because of how much she wanted her invention to be the next great thing.
Looking up to Tony and seeing how he changed for the better, this would inspire her to take it slower and put her technology to better use. Thinking a little more before she acts in the line of "some things should just never be made"
I made all this up the moment I began typing this comment btw so its a little rough😂. But this character is NOT that hard to make compelling especially since she is a deritive which marvel ALREADY cracked the formula for back in the 70s...
All they had to do was follow their own formula that they used for characters like the OG comic She Hulk by essentially flipping the script which gains acess to a whole new set of potentoal stories
@@no.1spidey-fan182 Thing is, your writing for a Heroic character, and the writers over there don't understand what heroism is. So they write villains without understanding that. Both Riri's original and this introduction are solid Villain origins. Someone who wants an excuse for their behavior and seeks one, and someone who puts no value in the world and people outside of herself. Classic villain archetypes.
One minor detail that Iron Heart lacks is the way her suit plays out, Tony's suit felt heavy, complex, but most importantly realistic, it was a mix of fiction and reailistic along with pretty good visuals, while Iron heart Riri's suit feels looks and feels completelly CGI, and doesnt give the audience an impression of realism
Poor CGI at that. I could do a hand drawing with Crayola crayons that looks more realistic than that suit.
Also, remind me, do we ever see Riri actually put on either suit? One of the best details throughout Iron Man's film history is the suit-up, from the first wholly mechanical suit-up, to the later CGI nano machines suit, it looked cool and gave insight into how the suit functioned at a glance, while also making it seem believable. IIRC, Riri just appears in the scene in her suit every time.
It's also due to a far less able actor/actress. They want us (the audience) to believe a child can do a man's job...but the opposite is true as we see.
looks like a gundam
And the suit is totally terrible, even if it had good CGI it has a horrible design.
Tony Stark is such a good character that legitimately halfway throughout this video I ABSOLUTELY FORGOT that Ironheart was in here somehow. I was too invested in the breakdown of such a good character I genuinely forgot the video was a comparison.
I like the fact that he touched on the one aspect of heroes that I think is sorely missing.
These heroes don't save people anymore or don't care about being good. 😢
Dr. Strange cares about saving people he is literally in charge of reality. Spiderman cares about saving people and being good. Thor cares about saving people, saving kids, and being good. Ant-Man cares about being good and takes selfies with people. GOTG cared for and saved both people and animals in the final act. Shazam was saving people and cared about being good. Bucky and Sam saved people and are good. Shxt even Black Adam was saving people in his movie. So who are we talking about exactly? And why do you think this?
@@Byronic19134 I read a comment above about Dr Strange casting a spell on a vendor to himself for 3 weeks for no reason. Now that I think about it, I cannot recall Dr Strange saving, only fighting.
They're soldiers now,do things not for good,but for a cause
@@Byronic19134You didn't watch the part where Riri blew up a bunch of cops did you? Or do you conveniently leave that out because it makes your moronic perspective look even more so?
@@Byronic19134 seems hes referring to how this iron woman didnt seem to care about dropping a drone on those police officers and or how she could have just flown through the roof but chose to blast an officer in the face before doing so
My favorite part about Riri's role in this movie is how she was able to build a vibranium detector
Despite having never seen let alone studied vibranium
But she has a machine that can find it
and then says her professor is racist for doubting she could make a vibranium detector
Let's not get hung up on those pesky DETAILS man, just... yah know. Vibe?
@@DominickRoselli You can't vibe with a story when the writing is so dogshit
@@DominickRoselli disney:
She knew who shuri was..so obviously she'd know about vibranium
6:32 - That burger king shot was a call back to Downey at his lowest in his career going through a drive through and sitting in his car eating a Whopper and contemplating how low he had gotten. He said that's when he turned around.
imagine being so depressed, you cannot enjoy a cheeseburger or hamburger.
I feel like Thanos snapped away not only half of the MCU's population, but also a good chunk of good MCU screenwriters, which Hulk forgot to restore. RIP cool MCU
I mean, to be fair, in the comics she's written that badly as well. In the original introduction where we get her origin story she gets mad at her teacher for NOT discriminating against her and for telling her that she can be anything she wants to be. She harasses the teacher into saying "fine, I guess if you need to be told something you'll never be I guess you'll never be Tony Stark" and that's how she decides to be the next Tony Stark, after harassing her teacher. So, they kind of nailed the narcissistic sociopath. Its just that neither the writers of the comics or the new movies seem to realize that they've written an objectively horrible character. Probably because people without morals have trouble understanding what makes a hero good.
People with extreme ideologies of right and left always lacks certain morals, and they will definitely fail to create a nuanced character.
@@Scribbly_Chi_10 it's not even about ideologies at this point, it's just shit writing
Honestly, that origin would've been incredible for that character if they depicted her as completely misguided to start with.
In the comics, I believe Tony was alive and well when Riri was introduced. If they had Riri be the "villain" of her first arc and we get shown through her what it would look like if Tony built the Iron Man suit before his big change of heart in the cave, and they could've had an incredible moment between Tony and Riri where Tony can show how much he's grown since taking on the mantle of Iron Man, an "I used to be you, and believe me it isn't something you should aspire to" moment to show Riri that this person she's trying to emulate isn't who she seemed to think he was, and then have that lay the groundwork for a mentor/student relationship with Riri bringing new perspective to Tony's tech and Tony teaching Riri things she could never even hope to learn had she not chosen this path. As for an MCU version, it obviously wouldn't be quite as effective but they could've easily jigged that around a bit and made it work having Shuri in the mentor role.
@samoclese6435 yeah they could definitely play into the narcissim and ego of legacy characters more sometimes. Not in a bad way but a introspective way of: why do you wish to become the next [blank], what made you think you could actually achieve that goal, etc. But I think writer usually get lost in trying to make viewers/readers instantly fall in love with the successor or replacement instead of implementing flaws into their design.
she also steals the iron man suit
Having a kid mass murdering people is insane.
Why couldn’t they just make it Tony’s daughter???? It makes sense that she would get curious about her father genius to carry on all he built.
That would have to be a bit farther in the future, TimeLine. wise. but I agree with you.
Cuz she wasn’t black
man i agree
honestly i never understood why they didnt use the boy from iron man 3 if they really needed a replacement this bad
sure as hell would be better than current ironheart if his daughter doesnt fit cause timeline
Lol, remember when she took a piece of the iron man suit for fun.
@@trayethell3681iron lad is a real character too. One that is liked more than riri.
Another part of these scenes that I think is a problem, I miss how physical these movies used to be. You look at Iron Man 1, they actually built the suit for Downey to wear for reference and even used it in a number of scenes, and the sets were actual sets. Even the CG looked more realistic since they had real material to work with to base it on, as well as the fact they only had to make one movie at a time and not run the animators into the dirt with like 20 projects at once.
You look at the behind the scenes stuff now and it’s all a few actors in a massive green screen room. Everything is done in post, and it shows as so much of the environment feels fake, not really reacting realistically to the characters. These movies might as well move to full animation at this point, hell it would probably improve them by at least adding more style.
Into the spider verse
@@ngabohakiza3988marvel what if
I’ve been saying this for a while. Live action is awesome, but I feel like stuff like marvel and dc are able to do so much more in animation
The clips of Tony's robot arm that you added in here at 13:08, reminded me of just how much character they were able to give that machine...
How often have you felt sorry for a disembodied robotic arm being told that it's worthless?? They managed to make it look and sound DEJECTED.
I felt more affection for that piece of metal than anything in phase 4 of Marvel.
You’re so right
true 😂
"you pass butter"
In Iron Man 3, after Tony stark just straightup says his address in public media and his house is destroyed by the henchmen of Aldrich Killian, there is a scene where things from his basement were falling into the sea below, and one of those things was that one robot arm that was trying to, but could not, save his "life". I felt so sad about it that at the end of the movie, when Tony leaves the destroyed house with the car full of things and parts, you can see the robotic arm, and that really made me feel better. It's just so wholesome that despite giving it a dunce hat, Tony still cares for his creations. And for the writers, it's amazing that they got this attention to detail.
seeing the arm in Happy's apartment in No Way Home brought me genuine joy, and it's a fucking robot arm that whines like a dog
I had completely forgot about Ironheart to the point i thought i missed a new marvel tv series....
I kind of see Iron Man as Robert’s rebirth into the better man he is today. The man who everyone loves and looks up to. The man who can carry franchises. The icon he is today not for his turbulent past, but for being the face of a hero who understands the power that comes with that and not taking said power for granted
It was his return it legit the role that turned his life around. Its a fact that iron man and meeting his now current wife helped change him
The scenes of Tony Stark developing his technology were perhaps the best parts of the Iron Man movies because it made these fancy sci-fi gadgets feel like someone's hard work and research rather than just some fun and cool fictional technology. It made the suits and stuff feel so much more special because we got to see how they were developed and made into reality. It almost felt like watching Mythbusters seeing Tony analyzing problems and figuring out solutions and then testing them out with cool guns and explosions and shit. I really wish they kept those parts in the post-Endgame movies because it made these worlds feel more real. They almost pulled it off with Spiderman in No Way Home with Peter using his scientific knowledge to figure out how to help the villains, but it doesn't have quite the same charm because Peter figured it out almost too quickly. It's not like the scenes of Iron Man testing different scenarios with his suits in the first movie, or figuring out the new element in Iron Man 2 or most recently, in Endgame when he spent countless hours figuring out time travel before finally having a eureka moment with the Möbius strip. They have so many opportunities to do this kind of scene again, and I'm really really hoping they do because it might actually get me invested in the mcu again.
And people wonder why Riri is a better replacement for Tony Stark than Peter Parker ever will.
@@brendanbonmon8153that makes no sense when the whole point of the video is to show why Riri is NOT a good replacement for Iron Man.
@@diegoochoa8050 Its because Riri is better and is more than trustworthy with Stark Tech then Peter will be.Peter had the stark tech and was trusted with E.D.I.T.H. and then he blew it because reasons and now its all gone while Riri on the other hand still has Stark tech and she didn't blow it like peter did and that is why Riri Williams is the best and better Iron Man replacement across the board.
@@brendanbonmon8153and an absolute garbage of a character, like all females characters in modern movies. Why old shows can do relatable and cool women, and now all we get is annoying always-succeding bi**es.
I thought it was real after watching the scene,
fuck ironheart, the kid from ironman 3 should be the second ironman (harley)
Yes agreed
@@Crocc101 100%! he wouldve made sense
He was even at Tony's funeral!
They couldn't do that because then ironmans replacement couldn't be a woman. Remember it's very important that they remain inclusive. This is modern Disney after all.
@@andrewb1313 damn
This us why people wanted peter to be the next iron man. He went from irresponsible to having to carry the weight of his loved ones lives, learned from his mistakes, grew into a more independent and powerful person through suffering, and came out a hero.
No way a cop just say "Aw fuck she's got an iron man suit" like it was the most obvious thing ever, that is so ass
What made Stark’s story soooo good was that we (the audience) got to see not only his growth and development as a character, but also the circumstances that spurred said growth and development to occur… We were “along for the ride” so to speak and that built a level of kinship with Tony, allowing us to understand his personality and giving us insight into who he is. I’ll be honest, I haven’t seen the new Wakanda movie and I highly doubt that I will. I have pretty much lost interest in the entire series because of the changes that have been made and I can only assume that they’ll continue down that path further alienating the fans who actually built the franchise…
What do you mean by "the changes that have been made"?
Chadwick being gone is a big one, but other characters have also been dropped from the franchise. There are branches of the storyline that I don’t really care about or have interest in too. I think the main “change” is the focus of the franchise. They lost me somewhere after Infinity War…
@@jacksonbauer5199 Ah okay. Personally I figure they were always going to struggle after Infinity War/Endgame. Those were the culmination of the entire MCU to that point and they were always going to have trouble building up again from there. It really doesn't help that, as if that movie, they lost the MCU's two main characters in Tony and Steve. It's like continuing The Office after Michael Scott left.
At the moment they're throwing things at the wall, to see what sticks - including experimental stuff like WandaVision and She-Hulk.
Personally I'm going to give these characters a little time to find their feet before writing them off.
Wakanda forever is actually pretty decent:
I agree with everything said in this video, and with what you've said in your comment. That being said, if you have the time, do see Wakanda Forever. Not that it's a great movie, but it is a fun watch with amazing visuals and nice fight scenes. Definitely better fight scenes than the first Black Panther movie. And Riri may have sucked but Shuri does get an actual character arc.
I know some consider Iron Heart to be 'empowering' because she took the 'mantle' of Iron Man. What they don't realize is that the only reason why she exists is because Marvel needed a minority character to represent 'Iron Man.'
She got the 'sloppy seconds.' She was made for the sake of 'checking off a box.' That's it. And it is honestly pitiful people see this degrading of what could be a fabulous character as 'empowering.'
Edit: Jeebus, I really started a war in here, huh. XD
To think that people would find a literal thief who forced a teacher to claim she could never be Tony so she could "prove her wrong" is empowering.
The reason she exists is because there was no one to fill Tony’s shoes. Most original Avengers have sidekicks, fans, or family that fill their shoes after they leave/die. Ironheart is fills that spot in the New or Young Avengers, but with a different personality because it would be boring to have another Tony when you could’ve kept the original one alive. Just because all YOU see is a minority character representing Iron Man doesn’t mean that’s all she is. If she wasn’t black, then the new Iron Man would still be a super smart kid who is capable of making Stark-level tech.
@@isaiah7985 No one could fill the shoes? So I guess Pepper Potts, Rhodey, Stark's actual child, Mary Jane (granted Sony would want a cut with this one), Arno Stark, or they could even use the stablished MCU version of the Iron Legion and let those pre-programmed/remote controlled suits stand in for him don't count?
There were plenty of valid options already established, but they went with the literal worst one: a token creation that was written terribly. Good job, I guess.
@@isaiah7985 Lol, no. Your lack of comic knowledge is showing. She's not a MCU exclusive. The original commentor is correct, she was created with the sole purpose of replacing Iron Man with a minority for virtual signaling.
@@isaiah7985 She was designed to be a woman, a black woman, a black non hetero woman who outsmarts one of the smartest men in Marvel comics.
She is ONE big virtue signal.
You know what characters have? Flaws.
She has no flaws like Rey has no flaws.
They are bad written paper cut outs, and smooth brained idiots love them anyways, because for them it's sufficient, when you check the boxes.
I already forgot iron heart existed
I went from thinking Ironheart sucked to being deeply saddened by what we have lost recently, not only in entertainment but in inspiration. I'll admit I didn't fully grasp the depth of RDJ's portrayal until seeing this video, but it was done so well that I didn't have to to fundamentally appreciate his character. It is truly one of the best character arcs I've seen, and as painstaking as it was to see his character die it was done to perfect effect and at the right moment to make the most impact. It's just ridiculously unfortunate that either the actor, or the writing around said actor that the mantle was passed to it so underserving in her portrayal. Bad writing can stifle good acting, lucky for us RDJ had room to improvise and infuse *his* character into his character.
Have you ever lived through an artistic golden age of an art form- Hip Hop '90s, Punk '70s, New Wave Cinema Late '60s, etc? We just lived through one but people are in denial that it's over. Kevin Feige and his unique, lightning in a bottle crew of writers and producers had free reign to fulfill their vision because the top corporate suits didn't care yet. But by Age of Ultron everyone was paying attention. Everything comes to an end. We lived through a GOLDEN AGE OF SUPERHERO MOVIES (and tv series) thanks to Marvel and it was something special, and now its ended (Avenger's Endgame was literally the end of this era!). Lets be grateful, and excited about the NEW renaissance in film thats about to come up from the ashes (cuz Hollywood is burning down right now, if you didn't notice!).
I laughed like a dbag in the theater when she said "To be young, gifted, and black, right?"
That's it. That's our explanation. "How is she so incredibly perfect at everything she does?"
Because she's the best. And black. And young. NO other reasons.
No knowledge, no struggle, no rise to power.
I’m glad I put off watching this. Especially with that line. Narcissism is a plague and it’s rapidly spreading via Hollywood writers trying to pin everything that’s ever happened to someone on their physical appearance. It’s a mindset only a narcissist could have.
By virtue of having an afro and enough melatonin, she is somehow a superior human being.
@@oompalumpus699melanin* lol
it’s also a reference to a very famous song title
Instead of making Riri Williams a poorly illustrated victim?
They could have written that her mom is barely there because she's working overtime to take care of her because her father left them or that's what she was told as a kid but in reality he was a shield agent that died on the secret mission dealing with a rough childhood she gets mixed in with the wrong people that use her talent to do bad things she gets caught and arrested but then a neighbor shows up and it ends up being one of Tony Stark's old colleague bails her out of jail ends up being the father she never had and encourages her on the right path but doesn't know that she's being used because the dude is Tony's ex colleague and is working for A.I.M.?
And now Riri Williams is dealing with distrust and questioning everything and eventually overcoming it and finding trust and love even with people she might butt heads with but people she can call friends and family.
Which I think a lot of teens go through these kinds of emotions especially in today's world.
We especially shouldn't encourage or intolerate toxic, narcissistic, and nihilistic behavior it's okay to create a character with these traits as long as we show that they can grow as a person and become better in the end.
one of the thing with this character is the amount of stuff she was able to built as a student. You can be smart, but your resources also contributes to what you can build and how much you can grow. Like Tony is a genius with vast resources and have been working in the industry for years. While in the cave he was given high tech missiles to scavage from to build his first suit (which break down after 1 use). Shuri is a Wakanda princess with technology and resources beyond the scale of normal human. And if you look into another good example of genius with limited resources, Peter Parker makes his web shooter from stuff he can gather around school. It's genius and it works, but it's crude and it shows. This girl seem like she just snaps her finger and high tech stuff just appear from thin air.
you can see it with banner and vision when he put intelligence (jarvis) in the vibrant vessel. Tony provided the resources for his knowledge to flourish but he hasnt had any other moments of material ingenuity due to his limited resources
The best quote I'd say for the current state of the MCU is "You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain."
Its amazing how well that dark knight quote has aged lol
Ironic how a famous quote from a DC franchise could comprehend the state of the MCU...(M-She-U to many fans.) 😏
wanda from villain to hero, back to villain again😅
I also like to note, especially in the first film and EXTREMELY so early on, is how much Tony and Iron Man feel like different people. The cave escape using flamethrowers and slamming people by hand, then the Mk3's first deployment silently killing a dozen men and then wrecking a tank? It's cold, horrifying. Iron Man is born of desperation, then forged in revenge. And I love it.
That's such an awesome line.
Whenever a movie celebrates attacking cops who are very clearly just doing their jobs, it immediately makes me hate the movie
Black Widow breaking her nose because bad guy made his smell make the Widows unable to kill him was definitely one of the dumbest things I've ever seen. Riri Williams was annoying and if she didn't kill those cops they are at least seriously injured. Marvel seems to be struggling now on what exactly made the original superheroes heroes, 'cause this new batch of "heroes" are committing a lot of crimes that are not justified in the name of saving the world. Or they have the older superheroes act like a jerk to ordinary citizens, like Dr. Strange casting a spell on that poor street vendor who just wanted America to pay for the food she took, but instead he spent three weeks hitting himself.
The Punisher is considered a hero although he is pretty much a serial killer, so Marvel has always had characters that were in a moral grey area.
@@andrewft31 but Punisher's motive was to protect innocent people from criminals. His "execution" was the issue not the motive but the motive of these new heroes is questionable.
@@andrewft31 serial killer to other killers, criminals, and scum of the earth, still makes him a hero.
@@andrewft31 I always saw the Punisher as more of an anti-hero, like Ghost Rider, Deadpool and Moonknight. Definitely not on the same hero level as Captain America or Iron Man.
@@andrewft31 Frank was never a hero. He was created to answer the question of what would it look like if heroes didn't have a code. As you said, a serial killer.
Ironheart did suck, but she didn't have to. Having someone replace a character as big as Tony Stark NEEDED their own origin film to establish who, why, what, how, etc. Instead, they simply rushed her character, no care for proper buildup or growth, just "here she is and she is so amazing and better than Stark." She was not given enough time, they missed that chance and this is the origin she will be remembered by.
Is it possible the writers are afraid of having the women compete with the men...🤔
@@Exalted_Truth Pfft, Marvel is just desperate to create new characters, since the pillars who supported the entire franchise are gone.
Even Thor now is just a joke, I remember watching Thor 3 and I enjoyed the hell out of that movie, then when I went to watch Thor 4...it just felt awkward the comedy was there but it was so shallow....
She'll have her own series. And I don't know why everyone thinks she's intended as a replacement for Tony. She uses tech based on his and is smart and that's basically where the character similarities end.
And what makes you say they're showing her as better than Stark? The movie shows her making a few errors due to her inexperience as a hero.
@@irrevenant3 Let's see... Built an iron man suit and overcame Tony's problem that was shown in Iron Man 1. Is somehow more intelligent. And not to mention that with Vibranium she somehow created an iron man suit and whoop a lot of the cronies with 0 problems. She is a replacement because she is the only one shown to have an iron man suit after Tony died. I want an Iron Lad. Not a shallow Iron Heart. But here we are
@@pootispow3232 If you think she's more intelligent than Tony, that's fine. I don't see it. Of course she's able to build an Iron suit more easily than Tony - he was doing it from scratch, and she's building based on all the work he already did. And, as others keep pointing out in this thread she made rookie mistakes that Tony never did.
Weirdly people seem to be simultaneously arguing that she's shown as better than Tony *and* that she's shown as repeatedly messing up. It can't be both.
Look, Tony was probably the single best character in the MCU. No, Riri isn't as good - no-one is. Can we give her a chance to properly establish herself as her own separate character before screaming her down?
Infinity War/Endgame tied off ten years worth of build up and wrote out the MCU's two best characters. It's going to take them a while to build up anything close to that again. If we keep trying to compare brand new characters to brilliantly fleshed out ones like Tony they're never going to have a chance to find their feet.
This is an initial cameo appearance. It's like Spider-Man's appearance in Civil War. Let's give her a proper chance to establish herself as a character before we go laying the boot in. Remember how crap early Thor and Hulk were?
I think a big thing not discussed is that Wakanda Forever is an example of Marvel suffering from the weight of their own success. The first Iron Man movie was a GAMBLE. If it didn’t succeed, there arguably would not be an MCU or even a Marvel Studios. So I think a looot of work went into making the public care about a character they didn’t know about (folks forget Iron Man was not a popular character and that’s a testament to Marvel Studios for changing that). In addition to the effort, it’s more or less a standalone movie until the Nick Fury cameo. Wakanda Forever has waaay too much going on: a movie paying respect to Chadwick, trying to justify Shuri as the next in line, establishing Namor AND his people (and mutants), establishing Ironheart as the Tony replacement. .. There was no guarantee that Iron Man was going to work but they already had plans to do an Ironheart show. I think in addition to the writing, that’s the bigger issue: they don’t feel like they have to try to convince us to root for a character
I personally think a nice intro for Ironheart could of been Riri living in a neighborhood ravaged by the battle of new york and building off of the weapons trade shown in Spiderman Homecoming.
A gifted genius who helped make ends meet by working with alien tech being procured and distributed by a rival group similar to the one Vulture was running, and using technology hidden away to make her suit to fight against this group at some point to protect her friends and family. Group holding her family up in exchange for forcing her to help. And maybe some manner of Hydra or new enemy activity funding the group in order to sew chaos.
Could of had some real Luke Cage moments in there I think, but ah well.
More compelling and more thoughtful than what was presented in Ironheart.
@@heerocolin a goddamn youtube comment had more thought put into it than the entirety of Ironheart
@@juntingiee2602 talents are often wasted
14:30 I didn’t even realize that cause yea she’s basically the reason all that bad stuff in the movie even happened because she created something dangerous just to say I told u so and then didn’t even want to help after she found out her creations basically caused a war
To be fair, she was NEVER going to replace Iron Man. They could have a time machine, access to every actress that ever existed and unlimited funding and she wasn't going to replace Iron Man. But they could have made her a better character in her own right.
wasnt one of the main points about spiderman being that nobody could replace tony, and that peter had to be his own person? why did they just completely forget that
Better character?? How
@@right584 by not wasting every moment to develop her character for cheap humor, petty behavior, and incoherrent actions that don't line up with the context of the story, like the video explained
@@ovencake523 even if they did that she will never be a better character than the real iron man
@@right584 Mofio, they said a better character, no one is saying a better character than Tony, stop hearing things that weren't there
The biggest flaw in this is probably the fact that tony was a billionaire and had money to buy materials and make his suit, but somehow a college student who was just asking for $800 from another student suddenly has millions of dollars worth of materials and tech
Being 23, I’m glad my childhood involved growing up with the iron man movies. It’s what solidified my love for the character. First Spider-Man, and then iron man was added onto that favourite super hero list. Remember pretending to be iron man in that hardecote scene, I got a cheap iron man kids helmet, made a homemade ark reactor using a push light and sticking it to my shirt. I think I had a toy glove that made the sound when I moved my hand up. Also had the iron man game on ps2.
There was also an iron man website online that you used your computers webcam, and it placed an iron man helmet on your head, as well as an inside helmet view.
This iron heart is terrible, and is amongst the reasons why I don’t watch any modern day marvel. I stick to the classics from my childhood.
Same the new movies to me feel so fake compared to the original. To me the start was in end game with the hulk. I get it on terms of character growth for him but in terms of portraying him it felt so disingenous to how he was in previous movies
This is my first time learning about a piece of media called "Ironheart". I still don't know whether it's a movie or a TV series and I don't care.
Ironheart had a scene where the badass bald black woman has her appearance mocked and then have her be EMBARRASSED by it? I don’t even really care about the character, yet I’m annoyed by the disrespect.
So let me get this straight. A White Russian dude steals iron man’s design for his suit and makes his own, causes destruction with it and is labeled a “villan” but when a black girl steals the design of iron man’s suit makes it her own and causes destruction on a similar level through negligence she’s “the hero”??
The russian directly targeted civilians, Riri was escaping from FBI or whatever that group was.
@@mjolninja9358that was the normal police and they weren’t even there to harm her
@@Devson452 their intentions doesnt matter, theyre out to chase/arrest whoever it was + all the other secrets they have with them (namor, riri’s vibranium detector, and the suit) & theyre literally doing espionage ☠️ best they can do is to escape asap. did u even watch the movie
@@mjolninja9358again, she straight up just shot at the police?
I think what made MCU worked was that in the beginning, the people involved behind the scenes were actually fans of the heroes they were working on and are mostly familiar with their background story, while in these new MCU, the characters are not really popular, but they had no choice but to introduce these characters, since End Game was indeed the end for MCU, it was a wrap that they refused to acknowledge. (it's also possible that many people from the 1st MCU were replaced by people who aren't fans of these comic heroes and are only interested in pushing their agenda)
Crazy to think that the man who saved Tony is the one who truly saved the universe from thanos.
if you really want to get into it, it was Stane who saved the universe by ordering the hit on Tony
How about going back to Howard Stark who elected his (back then) immature and irresponsible son to lead the company instead of his savvy brother, causing the build up of resentment for the hit to happen in the first place.
@@Poptart_Prime my dick is so short I pee on my balls
I know I'm being stupidly pedantic but if Riri was smart enough to have built an Ironman suit from scratch, she wouldn't be 19 or 20 and still at college. She'd have been one of those ultra geniuses who graduate at 16.
*7
Hell. 10. If she's Asian.
EXACTLY! Tony attended MIT for 2 years and graduated at 17 and it still took him so much time and effort, while being a fkking billionaire, to build his suits and then we have this girl who did everything without understanding it and not being rich.
Why go to the trouble of setting up the suit reveal when you're just going to have somebody shout "Oh shit, she's got an Iron Man suit!" moments before you show it? Do the writers trust our intelligence or not??
Riri is kinda like this in the comics as well. Was never really a reason given for her being there, but there she is. She is also literally introduced having an Iron Man suit fully made and everything.
I call it the “admiral Holdo” phenomenon
The reason is they wanted a character with "diversity."
theres a clear reason
D.E.I.
@@smokesscreen3634
DEI?
Damn. Where's the fun in that?
Sounds like they're showing us too much about her destinations and not enough about her journey.
Algorithm bless this quality content and burn away the heretic (copyright).
Purge the heretic!
The reason I like Steve Rogers Captain America is because of his morale, this character is inspiring because he will always do what he feels is right, he's the kind of guy who would jump on a grenade to save your life. He doesn't give up when he's face with impossible odds. That's a hero ! ... I dont know what the hell those new character are suppose inspire in people?
Yeah, even though there was beef between tony and steve they both were great characters and everyone knew that mcu could rely on both of them. these new characters are trash.
Exactly
All new characters and replaced ones especially those after endgame leaving shangchi and moon knight are fulllllllll trash
The MCU isn't dying a slow death, they're just kicking a corpse expecting it to wake up.
gives me goosebumps seeing tony testing the armor in the EARLY stages, even in a small clip in this vid, crazy how COOL this movie was/is
When I watched Black Panther 2, I only knew that the character who is Iron Heart would be in it, but I expected it to just be Riri Williams. I did not expect her to not only already have a prototype suit, but also a super-upgraded suit in the first movie she was in. I thought they'd just give Iron Heart her own movie but I guess I was wrong.
disney; why develop a character when you can just regurgitate them out and say "heres your character" no development required
Iron hearts whole thing was she was mentored by Ironman but that wouldn’t make much sense because he’s dead and it wouldn’t really fit into the timeline
What movie was she in? I'm strangely proud not to have known there was a new Iron Person. I thought his daughter was going to eventually fill Tony's suit.
I think what also helps iron man’s case for believability is that he built his suit out of desperation. Whereas Riri just kind of, does it?
You know what they say, necessity is the mother of invention.
Tony only manages to built his first suit thanks to the help of another scientist he didn't do it by himself it were a team effort, and even with his help the suit only work for a short time before collapsing. Riri on the other hand just happen to get the material to built her suit as least Tony is rich so getting the materials for it is easy where does she even the get tool for this, I would assume she steals them because no way some one like her can get all the stuff for this.
I wish they waited a few years to when Morgan was older and she followed he her dad's footsteps and made her own suit but her fear of death passed over from losing her dad prevents her from using the suit herself so instead she let's her adrenaline loving best friend to use it (Riri) and become Iorn heart. They could tie it in to being Roadie's adopted daughter or something and have an intesting dynamic there. They can down the line have her realize shes only making suits to be like her dad and she wants to do other things leaving Riri who now has more experience continue on her own and make her own suits.
Even the line explaining that she has a class would be so much more realistic if it was just calculus or just calc. Almost everyone actually taking classes like that shortens it to something that they can just quickly say. Psycology turns into psyc, chemistry turns into chem, etc. Anything else other than a broad category or shortened version of it might as well be phoning in whatever point the writers are trying to make with the line.
Even the MC explaining that she has a spotty attendance that will make going on such an excursion extremely risky would do some great work to characterize her, and set up a low stakes plotline in the future.
Really takes you out of the scene at 12:50 when you realise that the HUD doesn't follow her line of sight when she's woo-hooing. Whole point of the thing's to be a VR gaming style interface, what's the point if you need to turn your head every time you want to know your stats?
It does kinda follow her. It doesn't have to be 100% Locked to her head. Maybe there's some slack. Don't quite remember if it 100% with Iron Man
One of the things I've praised frequently with Iron Man over later movies of the MCU is the level of detail they showed of Tony putting his suit together. We are talking about those welding scenes, those testing scenes (of each individual part, and then together, which is how you do it in reality) every assembling part coming together, etc, which were just mesmerising, because those scenes were impressive, even if you're not into mechanics and what not. I was much more impressed with the development of the first Iron Man suit than the introduction of the nano suit.
Similarly, Spider-Man (Tobey Maguire) also did the same thing, where he drafted his suit, tried out his abilities, etc.
Both had a similar formula, both succeeded beyond imagination, it's not a coincidence.
SHOULD HAVE MADE THE KID FROM IRON MAN 3 THE NEW IRON MAN THAT KID WAS KNOWN AND LOVED
What you fail to realize is that this is Disney versus when Marvel was independent. Disney does not care nor have any interest in the true Marvel stories. If you look at how the original Iron Man was written, it was truly based on Marvel genre. Now it's just become a marketing scheme to print money.
Your describing art vs content. And im well aware
The fact there was NOTHING about Yinsen in Endgame shows me they forgot who Tony was in the end.
Remember when Thanos snapped his fingers and then was transported for a blink of time into the Soul stone, and had that vision of a young Gamora when brought to the place between time and space, the place where the Japanese ideology of the afterlife and death?
Why didn't they, Marvel and the production team for Endgame, have Tony appear in a similar place after he snaps his finger, and Yinsen is standing there with his wife and kids, back facing Tony, and when he walks closer to see who it is, Tony is taken aback, seeing a long-lost friend who practically gave him a new life....and in that moment, Yinsen could've smiled and said "Did you waste it?" And Tony, being absolutely filled with unfathomable joy and peace smiles with tears in his eyes and says back, "Not a chance, old friend." And Yinsen could laugh with him, embrace one another and both exchange looks of solemn duty fulfilled...then, in his last moments, could hear a loud bell, gong, horn, choir or whatever (depending on what Tony would see in that Soul stone, since Thanos attuned more to a Shinto-minded theology), then Yinsen could turn back and look at Tony, hold out his hand, and smiling say, "Then it's time..."
From there, it could go back to Tony dying as normal, and drawing his final breath.
Instead, Tony's dead now, and onto female Mary-Sue Ironwoman, SORRY...IRONHEART.
bro. this would've been so good.
The did. It was a scrapped scene with his grown up daughter. You can probably still find it somewhere on the internet. It was cut either because it didn't fit somehow or it made the movie too long.
@@MorganSaphWhich is BS
Harley should've been the next ironman but noooooo, marvel absolutly needs to fuck everything up, just imagine seeing so kind of flashback where we see harley use the lab given by tony to create an iron man suit, but lets face it, its too late
8:26
When she say "I like her" it sound kinda forced. It different when Thor say he like captain marvel, because she doesn't even move when Thor take his hammer. While all she do just throwing stuff, and the dialogue should be just like "Are you sure about this girl?"
The only time I think I’ve ever seen Riri get any love was during the Champions Charge comics. She was still forced into the franchise but was written well enough that she received respect from the fans
we need the kid from ironman 3 to come back
"aah shit she got a iron man suit"💀💀💀💀
Watch marvel bring back RDJ as a laid back mentor AI for her that she keeps ignoring and shows her ways are better
Stark was an imperfect man with more vices than virtues and an ego that was larger than life who went through a traumatic experience, learned the error of his ways, and changed for the better, while still maintaining that roguish charm and quick wit we all knew and loved. His replacement is a part of Marvel's latest venture to boost ticket sales by promoting black and female characters, and because of this, they presented her as this perfect wonder-child that always wins no matter what. Her origin story is basically just how her teachers in college (that she got into early because of how smart she is) didn't think she was the greatest thing since sliced bread. While discovering that people who are older and more experienced are often right would have been a great moment for her character, she instead proves them wrong (somehow) with the help of another flawless black female character, who suffers no consequences for her anger issues and is very specifically shown to be stronger than every male character she meets, even when it makes no sense. Disney, and by extension now, Marvel, is afraid to show "minority" characters as flawed, but that's what makes a character great in the first place: the ability to find a way to succeed in a believable way despite their flaws. The holy trinity of Marvel, Captain America, Iron Man, and Thor, are either gone or replaced with lesser versions of themselves, including Falcon, who was did a great job in his original role, now trying to be the new Captain America with sage advice on how to solve the current housing and unemployment crises like "be better", and a random scientist that dumped the god of thunder in a devastating way for terrible reasons somehow being worthy enough to wield Mjolnir and take the heartbroken Thor's place as a superhero. Even Hulk now has to contend with Disney's version of She-Hulk, who I guess has a uterus and ovaries that give her the power to bullshit her way through years of training in a single moment and break the third wall like Deadpool, but on steroids. Even Black Panther (the real one) was basically sainted despite the Dora Milaje actually being representatives from each of the tribes that served as both royal guards and wives, which somehow didn't stop him from marrying, impregnating, and divorcing Ororo Munroe in the comic books. That's right, the random lady in Wakanda Forever was originally supposed to be Storm from the X-Men, and I'm still salty that Marvel Studios didn't go with that plot. Sorry for the tangent, but my point still stands: these new "superheroes" are just flawless Mary-Sues designed to fill seats in theaters rather than actually be paragons of the genre.
Have you ever lived through an artistic golden age of an art form- Hip Hop '90s, Punk '70s, etc? We just lived through one but people are in denial that it's over. Kevin Feige and his unique, lightning in a bottle crew of writers and producers had free reign to fulfill their vision because the top corporate suits didn't care yet. But by Age of Ultron everyone was paying attention. Everything comes to an end. We lived through a GOLDEN AGE OF SUPERHERO MOVIES (and tv series) thanks to Marvel and it was something special, and now its ended (Avenger's Endgame was literally the end of this era!). Lets be grateful, and excited about the NEW renaissance in film thats about to come......
@@juniorjames7076 you're smoking crack dude. these new superhero movies are copy paste dogshit with no inspiration whatsoever. Bunch of mary sues and then insert funny joke here, roll credits. that must be what mindless potatoes like you enjoy though huh?
This isn’t an ironheart issue, it’s a director/script writer issue. They don’t have the same passion for these projects like they used to so everything now feels like a soulless cash grav
5:19 this punch always kills me 😂😂😂
probably killed the guy that got punched too
Man, you nailed it and gained a sub, even the big reviewers are so desperate for clicks that they are putting out clickbait titles like "DEADPOOL and Wolverine First Look Footage" and then talking about shit we all know and don't have anything to offer but lies. Respect for your honesty.
Tell me it’s either “emergency awesome” or “Everything Always” without telling me the name 🤣.
@@Ancor_Vantian yes and yes
@@Ancor_Vantian yes and yes
Comic Riri's first suit was based on an abandoned Iron Man suit she had, and was only possible by stealing many MANY components from a comic book level MIT. It also barely worked, much like Tonys first. Despite being made in a university workshop and not a cave. It was extraordinary, but believable for a comic genius.
Honestly that would have been a much better explanation
Okay, so you want a young black woman in an Iron Man suit? Have her get an internship at Stark Industries. She can be their star intern, have scenes where she is working on systems for one of the later suits. Then Endgame happens. Have her break down at the Stark memorial... and then vow to keep up the work. Cut to a scene of her driving a truck full of old Ironman suits and scrap bits for "disposal". Cue a montage of her assembling the suit, working on pieces, This sets up for the scene where she is getting hired on full-time to work on Vibranium detector.
At least Tony is dead so they cant disgrace his character too
Dr. Strange looked into the future, and told Tony, trust me you're going to want Endgame to be your last movie.
I think our biggest problem is that we think Iron Heart has arrived to replace Tony's role on the MCU when their importance are completely different! As she was introduced in BP:WF she looks more like a side character than the next man of steel. It reminds me of Rhodes. And I don’t think they’ll try to make her the next biggest hero of an entire saga.
The final scene comparison nailed it. In iron-man, it showed how he grew as a character, realised his flaws and purpose at the same time. Whereas in Ironheart’s case, she just did it to prove a point because she felt oppressed (i.e. pushing the one true narrative). Oh how the MCU has fallen.
Pretty easy to understand. Tony died and the MCU died with him.
First introduction of the girl, who is black, taking someone's phone? Sounds about right if you look at the contents of her character. Does not surprise me at seeing a black girl stealing someone's phone, whether they gave it back. Maybe they should do a regular character. God forbid they recycle fail attempts at a show in the 2020 decade
If she’s already built an iron man suit and a vibranium detector, I wonder what she’s gonna be able to do after she finishes learning differential equations
Exactly. That makes no goddamn sense.
Is there even a class called „Differential equations“??? Why is it not calculus? 🤔
@HNedel They wanted something unfamiliar to most people
@@HNedel I had a Differential Equations class in college, after taking Calculus. That was 30 years ago though.
@@dwboston1 i googled it, MIT offers that course, and even has lectures on it here, through OpenCourseware! Course 18.03 😄
Feel kinda stupid 🙈
It’s crazy how 75% of the first iron man movie didn’t even feel like a super hero movie. It’s just genuinely a good movie
Same with the Incredible Hulk
There's no way in hell the first Iron Man (or the sequel) could be made today. Every other scene would be "cancelled" today. Kevin Fiege and this crew of writers and producers had free reign to fulfill their vision because the top corporate suits didn't care yet. But by Age of Utron everyone was paying attention. Everything comes to an end. We lived through a GOLDEN AGE OF SUPERHERO MOVIES, and it was something special. Avenger's Endgame was literally the END of that Golden Age. Its over. Be excited for whats next in film......
@@juniorjames7076 i own every marvel movie up to endgame. i havent even seen a marvel movie since endgame. screw the woke trash.
What the fuck does that even mean?
@@MBS..nah you're crazy
The funny thing is, RiRi's teacher in the comics DIDN'T tell her she couldn't do anything, she said she could be anything she wanted, and in the comics riri was UPSET because she wanted to be held back so she could prove someone wrong.
She WANTED a chip put on her shoulder.
Her origin reads more like a sociopathic villain than a hero, especially with how she steals iron man suit designs.
Professional victim
And her story was so ass in the comics they sidelined her HARD,but the film makers didn't get that memo
@johnstrife7 what to expect from those people? 😅
Cry harder loser @@Argaitlam
@@Argaitlamwhat people?
"I am here for the Vibranium detector that you built for the CIA"
This line sounds like it was written for a fanfiction
That’s offensive for good fanfic writers.
Yeah, some fics are shit, but there are people who are way more talented than the hacks that wrote this mess
Yea, if they were writing it to graduate from middle school.
More like a redditor's wet dream
Not even one line in the movie already shows you how stupid and incompetent the writing is to the point where I can’t stop rolling my eyes
@@Sebastian_A_Var_Hermanyeah a group made a whole ass elden ring 2 convergence mod that was actually good
"I came to realize that I have more to offer this world than just making things that blow up."
Gets me every time
Oppenheimer...?
@@Exalted_Truth Or Alfred Nobel?
@@Exalted_Truth....Tony stark...
@@Exalted_Truththis can honestly apply to many people, but in the context of this video it's Tony Stark.
New black girl proceeds to just make things blow up. So poetic.
When you think about it, Yinsen sort of saved the world by starting Tony down the path of iron man. What a legend.
What
Who is Yinsen
@@rookiegameplay7519 the guy who helped Tony in the cave.
There was a deleted scene where Tony saw Yinsen after using the infinity guantlet
@@Cho0segoose WHY DO THEY DELETE THOOSE GOOD SCENES. THE SAME WITH SPIDERMAN CALLING THE COPS. THE SAME WITH WHEN (I forgot bros name) SAID THEY COULD COMBINE THEIR BEST (he got hulk muscles and Hulk got his brain)
Tony's trauma: Losing both his parents, being ambushed by terrorists using his own weapons, being abducted by those terrorists, being tortured by those terrorists, watching Yinsen his only companion during his captivity die for him, being betrayed by his business partner, having his suit damaged and almost destroyed by the son of his father's former business partner, flying a nuke into a rift portal above New York City and almost dying, being kidnapped by a different terrorist group, seeing his partner be injected with a mutagen by the leader of that terrorist group, creating Ultron, fighting the Hulk, causing the deaths of hundreds of people at Sokovia, almost killing his best friend, learning the identity of the man who killed his parents and being unable to take revenge, realising what having created the Sokovian Accords actually allows the government to do, being beaten and almost killed by the genocidal alien, having his "son" Iron Boy Junior die in his arms as he was killed by said genocidal alien and being stuck on a broken down spaceship for a month.
Riri's "trauma": Her teacher once told her "You will never be... Tony Stark." when she was a child.
So basically, a life story that would make any normal man end it all, vs. Every high-school students day to day interaction with a bad teacher.
@@Redacted_Theorist
Yyyyyup. And Disney wants us to root for the spoiled teenager as much as they want us to root for Iron man. Ain’t ever EVER gonna happen
@Werewolf.with.Internet.Access what makes me really mad is that, compared to Iron Man, this character is written like a 4 year olds original character. She's almost perfect all the time and barely ever loses anything. Really just shows Disney loves reputation. Only problem? Disney thinks representation means "YOU GET ALL THE CASH IN THE WOOORLD!" They really want money all the time, so why not use "representation" all the time! So they take their old movies and were popular, make them a live-action, and cast a "diverse" actor to play the role. Unlike some of their old live-action remakes, they don't even tweak the story a little to keep it original.
I don't think representation is bad. That is stupid. But taking something already popular and changing it isn't representation, it's lazy. Why not do something like The Princess and the Frog? That had diverse characters but DIDN'T take away from something else.
@@Redacted_Theorist oh you mean Ash blac- I mean snow white? Lmfao
I like how, after Stark's story is so perfectly straightforward, five seconds into summarizing Ironheart's introduction, there's already glaring questions such as "How did she build a detector for a substance that is essentially absent from America... where she developed the detector"
Iron Heart 🤡
Tbf, it isn't implausible that an innovation for one thing is used for another entirely different thing.
Radar tech gave birth to Nuclear Magnetic Resonance, which was adapted into the medical instrument we know as the MRI.
How? Plot and script magic of course 😀🤣
Question was HOW this particular character... this apparently regular student managed to meet the implausible condition of building a detector for a substance that's not common or local to her reality. 🤦🤷♂️.
I can think of a theoretical way, something in the lines of "Vibranium has this or that characteristic", or reacts to X that other way", things than can be known about the material, but they expect us to assume "she's a genius", and that's it.
Part of what I like about Ironman is that the first batch of suits felt and looked like they could almost be real. We got to see him build them and that none of them were perfect and had flaws like you'd expect in real life. He didn't just build a perfect suit on his second try. Part of his brilliance was showcased by how each suit evolved and improved on the last which is something we don't really see with Ironheart
Yeah, like how mark II was bad at high altitudes, so mark III improved on that by switching up the material. Then, when mark III/the suitcase suit got manhandled by electric whip man, he improved on it again and this is shown with the mark IV in the first avengers, where Thor electrocutes him, but it just gives him more power instead.
I still remember when the Mark IV was new and thought it was the hottest shıt ever, especially since I used to have a small magazine that allowed me look over and compare all the suits at the time. Just seeing how much less bulk the Mark IV had to the (previously state of the art) Mark III was like comparing an F/A-18F with an F-104C.
@@ilovewaffles321 Just to clarify, the Mark III wasn't used in Iron Man 2, since Tony uses the Mark IV for most of it until he creates the Mark VI at the end. The Suitcase Suit is designated Mark V.
I think the issue is they do not want spend all the time building up the tech again after the first iron man did it. So they are skipping the scene and making Riri start at level 10 outside the killing sewer rats phase.
@@ilovewaffles321 It was really nice how every suit fixes the flaws of the previous suit.
It says a lot that they knew her comics introduction was so bad that they had to completely re-write it, and they still managed to make it arguably worse. Good job, DisneyMarvel.
That's a pretty impressive feat, considering her comic origin included her literally asking her teacher to be racist/sexist towards her so she would have a goal in life. Pretty hard to do worse than that
Marvel already did their job, then disney see their work it became terible.
@@totallynotamimic3522
My favorite bit of her comic introduction was the 4-5 panels of her just staring daggers at her teacher because the teacher refused to be racist and sexist at her.
I mean...wtf?
@@wumpusrat ...Please tell me you're joking. How can anyone come up with that?
@@legendarymarston9174 not a joke that how she was introduce in the comic. What we are seeing in the screen now is how modern comic writers see the world now. Waiting for all the big/ gay hero to start popping out in the next few years in film cause of this.
the thing with the icing scene that made it work so good was tony pulling the air break.
His suit had a mechanical system, a back up. Almost like he expected something like this and planned ahead.
He didn't just luck out, his genius design had tools he could use and his galaxy brain gave him the insight to use them.
Thats what i'm saying, he had something non digital, a physical system as a failsafe for something like this. Instead, Riri just defies the damn laws of physics and somehow floats above the water after plumeting 1000's of feet. Just looking at tony's scene he understands how to fly when in that situation, instead of trying go straight up and slow himself, he leans into the flight path and pulls up in a curving motion. It's almost like i dunno the people writing these movies were actually trying at the time.
He's an arms genius. Military hardware is generally designed with several redundant systems in place. He knows his gear so well because he also built it. Cracking writing!
Tony learned from his mistake
That’s actually how building and engineering works really, if not you have to be all the time failing and try to understand why
Tony always learned from his mistakes
Riri is just black
My biggest issue with Ironheart is how quickly she went from a scrappy looking suit to a literal god-tier Wakandan one within minutes, and also the fact that the Wakandan suit looked like fake plastic CGI garbage
I can't help but think of Big Bad Beetleborgs every time I see that suit
Yes
@@ArchCatalyst it has been many months since I have thought about that show
Young black and strong that's why 😭
dawg she fr harmed cops
That atrocious suit design is enough to inspire hatred all by itself.
She never struggled, she never failed and she never reached a profound realization of her inadequacies in order to grow from it and become a better person. She’s just written to be not only as good but even better than Tony Stark while doing absolutely nothing to earn it, it’s insulting and one of many reasons comic fans despise her.
She has enough fans to be put in a movie tho lol 😂 she did struggle it just wasn’t in the movie 🎥 people are just mad her suit is better than Tony’s
Tony’s suit is made of gold titanium alloy, her suit is made of vibranium which is stronger. The suits are powered by the same arc reactor. Therefore her suit is stronger as it has better defence vibranium is stronger than gold-titanium that’s just facts. Captain America ripped off Tony’s helmet with his bare hands. So you are factually wrong.
Imagine all these people getting upset over fictional characters they must really have no lives. U can’t say she has no struggle when her dad literally died that’s a struggle and she’s from low income. And anyone saying “go read a comic” ok nerds I’ll read the comic and still like her character. You all can’t handle someones opinion. Nobody cares that you like tony stark better and tons of people love she hulk and ms marvel is the greatest marvel project ever made. Rdj is the best iron man actor but get over yourselves all you are being d riders and have been brainwashed by his acting in over 7 movies and the comics you like and are comparing that to 15 minutes of screen time lol. Tony’s character is arrogant and u say she can’t be? Sounds racist to me… Get a grip on reality , touch a whole lot of grass because only corny internet people care about getting “ratioed” I couldn’t care less when I have a song out on Spotify with 110,000 plays. Can’t wait for iron heart to come out!!!! Bc she will be back whether you like it or not!!!! SO I WIN!!!! :D keep arguing like a bunch of nerds . Oh yeah and TONY IS DEAD LOL 🥦🥦🥦🥦🥦🥦🥦🥦🥦🥦 His daughter gonna get a iron man suit without earning it too!!
They are all nerds who go to Comic-Con and simp for fictional characters I’m not even dissing just stating facts. They want to fit in so bad they agree with whatever everyone else thinks about comics so that they won’t lose their identity and fake friends. They’re starved for attention and their only friend is tony stark bc they feel alone in a cave their whole life and need a suit of comic book armor to get friends and will spend all their money at comic con to feel included in something. Way to stick your ground and not stoop to their level of insults just because of differing opinions. That shows character in todays day and age where people will agree with everyone else bc they need likes to feel secure about themselves
were talking about the MOVIES and a comic getting cancelled doesn’t mean anything. There’s a number of factors which cause comics to do well such as the economy
I didn’t get ratioed…. All your comments got 0 likes and mine got 9. So you got ratioed actually! Thanks for watching
@@elephant_rap I have my doubts about a fan base considering her comic sales tanked and was subsequently canceled. And her suit was never explained either, she just magically built it. Why?
She was essentially handed the position of Iron Man while being shown to do nothing to be worthy of it. That’s why her comic sales tanked so hard alongside Ms Marvel, comic readers can’t respect a hero with no redeeming personality or flaws who you’re expected to celebrate by writers who keep overtly shoehorning them in as perfect when they’re just arrogant, condescending and toxic.
@@elephant_rap
Uh no.
Tony's last suit would have put hers in the ground in 10 seconds.
its crazy how you guys are shitting on her already
@@FROST-ui5fr Already? She’s been around for awhile now, there’s just nothing compelling about her.
Yeah this whole "i like her" is so annoyingly manipulative but it represents the narcissistic emotional bullshit of the writers nicely.
They write that line “I like her” desperate to tell you how to feel.
Rather than actually writing well and you authentically liking the character.
In my experience when someone is rude to you the last thing you want to say is "I like this one". Not only lazy writing (because they keep doing it) but utter nonsense in a real social situation
When thor said that he liked captain mahvel in endgame I just roll my eyes. It's like the writers were pressuring me to like her.
An additional observation. Black Panther 2 was a challenging movie. Asking backup characters to try to carry a whole movie. Extremely poor time to introduce a whole new character (iron heart).
Her whole presence seemed forced and like terrible writing
I've seen it in Marvel, ST:D, NewStarWars, basically any franchise that's gone to shit in the past 4/5 years seems to use this.
My question is, "How the hell could she afford building a suit"? I think Tony spent millions of dollars on his.
Exactly. Its just piss poor writing and plot holes all around. We know how Tony was able to afford the ability to build his suit, because hes a fucking tech mogul and a massive industry giant, literally a massive weapons manufacturer and multi billionaire. Building the suit to him was probably STILL just a drop in the bucket overall, everything included. But to some fucking college student working out of a bumfuck nowhere warehouse where you'd have to steal everything at best? No way you'd be able to buy even HALF of the stuff you'd need at that tech level, god forbid assemble most of it with your bare hands. Tony had the machinery to build most of his stuff, where the hell did RiRi get the machinery to build and refine her metals and tech? I dont see any metal presses or forges in that warehouse lmao. Such a shit written character, Marvel has gone so far downhill
Millions of dollars?? "Tony Stark was able to build this in a cave! With a box of scraps!"
@@digitalcurrentsyeah, the bad one that fell apart soon after usage.
@@digitalcurrentsthose box of scraps are full of components used to build WMDs. What Obadiah meant was that Tony didn't have the industrial grade equipment and resources his engineers have at their disposal not that he literally had to work with just a box of scraps lmao.
also it doesn't matter how intelligent you are but marvel made this girl do things that apparently no one in the world at 17 just because she's the main character
In retrospect I am glad Tony Stark sacrificed himself, removing himself from the MCU. After what they did to Thor I can't even begin to imagine what they would have done to Tony Stark. I base this off how Tony Stark is the antithesis of the message Disney wants to put out and how his character was treated in "What if...?"
What if honestly has to be some of the most dogshit writing i have ever seen in a film/series by a major hollywood studio... some "cool" ideas (also some really stupid ones) but terrible execution.. not to mention that "animation" idk if it can even be called that... that shit made my eyes bleed
I dread your answer, but what did they do to his character in the "what if" scenarios?
@@jackmesrel4933 They killed him off in every episode he appeared.
@@jackmesrel4933 Stark is killed in all but one universe where he shows up, and he goes down like a chump every time
@@jackmesrel4933 Search:
"WHAT IF...? Every Ironman Death scene"
The only one I agree with is the scenario if Ultron succeeds in "Age of Ultron"
If that Harley kid from iron man 3 become the next iron man it would be better and makes more sense. Here's why:
-His life was saved by tony
-He knew peter parker
-He is a smart mf
-He gave tony the idea to make iron man suit more stealthy while just being an 11 year old kid
-He actually have a solid relationship with Tony which gave him a clear reason to become the next iron man
(Extra reason)
He look handsome af in endgame [im not a simp]
Last one is valid
valid
Last one is entirely valid tbf, this is Marvel after all.
Last one was valid
He is also hotter than that brat heart tbh...
This is a chick and she's black, that's hollywoods reason to do anything
Honestly her lack of care for others is what puts me off her. A character's morality is one of the most interesting things about them. It will determine their actions, goals and ideals throughout their show.
If it is established that a character doesn't care about innocents then a scene where they ignore people dying to further their own goals makes sense.
But if their goals involve getting involved in a war to save other innocent people it makes you question why they are so willing to help one group but not another.
That's easy: The people she killed earlier were all evil white ‘colonizers’. While the people she’s going to war with are ‘her own people’.
She's a angsty teenager focused on her education. She was on scholarship at MIT, don't go to class she gets kicked out. The gravity of the situation isn't gonna set in instantly.
Riri is actually WORSE in the movie from what I've seen. She's a terrible character in the comics as well. She is 100% unlikeable.
@@GerardGousman They can show that, hell, 20 seconds of film showing her getting incredibly anxious & panicky when she gets caught in traffic or something while she needs to get to class, or maybe just a small phone call with her parents telling them how proud they are of her getting into MIT, or maybe, BOTH
Also, once its established, it can't just be dropped, there have to be continuous scenes where there is conflict between pursuing a conventional education & her heroic goals; hell, show her on the verge of getting on academic probation, trying to argue her way out with the fact she's saving lives, & the structure of academia is just refusing to accommodate her because it's not their problem
There are many, many ways to do this, this is why he makes the point that nothing is wasted in the original Iron Man, they make use of every second, while here they just seemingly don't understand the value of time at all
It’s not your job to defend bad writing. It’s Marvel/Disney’s job to, among other things, produce good writing. You should be chastising Disney for writing crap, instead of doing mental gymnastics to pretend it’s not crap.
It start with "Doesn't waste your life" and ended with Tony used his life to save the entire galaxy. He is the real ironman.
*Universe
Yup, Iron Man did not
Yes, Tony is an amazing character and RDJ did an amazing job of playing him. No-one's going to replace Tony and Riri isn't an attempt to do so, she's a different character. Let's give her a chance to find her feet rather than hating on her before her show's even dropped.
@@irrevenant3sorry man last time that logic was used we got She-Hulk.
@@Kai97119 Are you advocating that we should default to disliking any character that isn't immediately great? So we should be hating on Thor and Hulk for their mediocre starts, and maybe even Dr Strange (who, let's face it, was pretty much a lame Tony Stark rip off in his first film - he didn't really hit his stride until Infinity War)?
Personally I thought She-Hulk was fine. Not amazing, and not without its flaws (for starters can we please have more actual legal scenes in a series called She-Hulk: Attorney at Law?), but the more laid back/slice-of-life approach to superheroing was a nice change of pace. And the show was overall pretty fun, as was the meta-commentary angle (and yes, I agree Deadpoil did it better, but it was still fun enough here). Series 1 was decent and I'm hopeful that series 2 will iron out some of the kinks and be even better.
@@irrevenant3 comparing Thor and Hulk's first movie to the mediocre as fuck She-Hulk show is not only insulting but just flat out embarrassing. I'd happily rewatch their origins than have to witness She-Hulk twerk.