Yeah all these petty arguments between fitness influencers are all nonsense but it's entertaining nonsense. At least they carry me through my lunch break 😂
Let’s be real here.. both Greg and Mike are in this together, to get more clicks, views, etc. for money. Anyone who thinks these ‘debates’ are legitimate do not understand the true motivation and purpose behind their channels. It’s all a facade and a way to stay relevant.
I have met both of these men in person at the Arnold 2024, I can tell you that the way they interact and behave off camera is totally different. I wouldn’t say either one is a bad person but from what I saw Mike is a more celebrity type of person, he sets up a time he allowed people to take photos with him and after he was gone, didn’t talk to people and just walk around like a guest, he was only there as a influencer. However, coach greg spent so much time talking to fans, I ran into him 4-5 times and he was always talking to fans. At one point I saw him walking through the lobby and he was happy to talk to me as more then just a fan, I could see he was genuinely happy to be in a conversation with someone and though I don’t know either one personally, Greg’s attitude off camera gave me a respect for him which is rare in the fitness industry where people will willingly lie for views.
Damn I love Dr. Mike and I’m sure he has his reasons which I respect. However, I agree with your sentiment with Greg. Respect for the coach fr! That’s a win imo.
@@manofculture2230 Mike has always been a narcissistic asshole. And the information you get from him is not special. You can literally follow Jeff Nippard and you're covered by the science aspect of lifting weights.
"where people willingly lie for views" like greg lol, who tf cares if he acted nice to you, it has nothing to do with him being a snake oil salesman, attacking people constantly and playing the victim card whenever somebody talks about him
Mike: Has PHD, not IFBB Pro Greg: has Masters, Is IFBB Pro Ronnie Coleman: Highschool education, 8X Mr Olympia Remember kids less education = more gains
For some reason I really relate to how Mike feels but after getting Greg perspective, I’m really thinking about why and how Mike thinks or feels like how he feeling rn and why i or we can relate. I think he/we/I need to build trust in other people that we meet in or day to day lives
@@dirk4emalI honestly think this is where Mike’s actual anger at Greg comes from. They haven’t even interacted that much between the two of them and he’s so mad it’s just jealousy.
@@darkcircle899Mike just needs to accept he is genetically inferior he doesn’t have the natural shreds condition insertions and shape as Greg. Dr. Mike does not have ifbb level physique
The funny part about this is: Mike’s literally the author of his own misfortune. Here’s the timeline. 1. Jonni has beef with Greg. 2. Mike and Jonni get real chummy and start doing lots of content together. 3. Mike pulls the Olympia stunt trying to embarrass Greg only to look like a Grade 8 bully. 4. Jonni and Mike make more content. This time, Mike flat out lies about Greg claiming to be a doctor. Jonni says nothing and does nothing to defend Greg. In spite of their beef, he knows Mike’s wrong but he enables Mike’s behaviour. I got the feeling Jonni was letting Mike do a lot of clapping back. A Beef Spokesperson if you will. 4. Jonni has a death in the family and starts to get push back on the Mike trolling from fans.Seems like he had a moment of clarity and apologizes to Greg. (If what I heard is right. Jonni is wrong on a few counts) 5. Jeff Nippard interviews Mike and Mike starts his transparency tour speaking of the dangers of steroids and how they are affecting him. Mike does a few other podcast echoing the same information. 5. Mike’s transparency tour continues as he gives us a window into his diet and the cycles he’s taking. 6. Mike clearly can’t diet properly and has a bevy of health issues and visual side effects. Clubbed fingers. GH Head, horns growing from his forehead. GH gut. 6. Greg gathers up all this information . None of which he had to dig for. All out there for public consumption. He makes a video showing that Mike needs to stop. He highlights his poor eating habits, all the negative side effects, Mike’s age, Mike’s aversion to cardio and the fact that his diet is that of a 14 year old boy while he’s also taking a semi glutide. Greg highlights the mental side effects. Greg points out that this a fruitless pursuit. Especially cause Mike’s on top influencer wise and doesn’t need the pro card. 7. Mike loses his bodybuilding show. Badly. Blames it on a bad tan. Not his poor conditioning , sub optimal diet unaesthetic frame. 8. Mike is salty because the fanbase agrees with Greg. Even the saltiest of haters agree. He doesn’t need the pro card. Why is he chasing this dream? 9. Greg comes out smelling like roses. Everything he predicted came to fruition. 10. Mike tries to save face and retire though the whole internet and Greg retired him months ago. 11. Greg’s once again validated. Mike shared his journey. Greg pointed out the holes in his mindset and methods. He has to eat humble pie. 12. Mike knows he can’t attack Greg’s knowledge anymore so he goes all in on his character on a Revenge Tour. Did I miss anything? Common theme here. Mike starts the bullying with Jonni. Over shares about his bodybuilding journey and methods and gets flamed for it. He literally gave Greg all the ammunition and motivation to flame his ass. No investigative reporting, no lies, just facts. Now Mike’s true persona is yet again being exposed. The one he hides behind the sarcastic, good guy act. He tried to discredit a pro bodybuilder and judge. Then he got exposed. None of this had to go this way. He brought it all on himself. Egotistical, petty, straight lying. Pride Cometh before the fall. He could have stayed on top unscathed. Now people question his integrity, character, morals,bodybuilding knowledge, nutritional knowledge etc. He played himself.
Wow thanks for this, I actually enjoy reading it. I subs Mike because he likes to bully everyone on his videos, kinda funny. But I don't like he bullies Greg like a jealous 6th grader.
@@ArianGendar agreed. I was really disappointed in Jonni and Mike after that. They came off like villains. It seemed like roles they had played before. It seemed like it’s who they were.
100% Thank you for your summary of events. This is my reading of the situation aswell. That and the fact that Mike severely overestimates his intelligence and knowledge. He became arrogant to the point that he is blind to other perspectives.
Especially from someone who is actually an IFBB pro and has coached multiple people to it. He’s literally got an expert on the exact thing he wants to achieve giving him free advice. He should be taking it.
He really isn't. Gossip channel Greg goes up against someone who uses science to help people. Of course people in the industry dislike Greg, he's the human manifestation of a tabloid.
Same man😭 I love mike and Greg is literally like a 18 year old girl with the drama but he’s been in the right for the most of it😭 particularly about the tan and leanness part…
It’s because Mike is literally just throwing out attacks and almost everything he’s saying is fabricated. Greg on the other hand is using Mike’s own words and videos with examples in the video.
@@darkcircle899Did you actually watch the whole thing. Greg spins a lot of it. Mike didn’t just randomly start shit talking Greg like Greg says (lied about) here. He was making a direct comparison between Greg and Joel.
The hate is because Greg was a better bodybuilder and power lifter than Dr. Mike, despite him having a PhD. Greg saying Mike just doesn't have the genetics got him more pissed because it's true.
Or maybe because Greg has been a liar his whole life. He failed a drug test and got banned for years. Now he sells placebo sugar pills and creates drama to market them to impressionable teenagers who don’t know any better.
Mike is the only person in the world that thinks a Phd means jack shit when it comes to bodybuilding. Nobody is impressed by a Phd in the shitiest science ever
Yea agreed, you hit it quite well. In my humble opinion, Mike has deep rooted insecurities... And to me he looks like a narcissist, which would explain the insecurity coupled with the superiority complex, the denigration of others, the aggression against anybody who dares to disrespect him (which frankly can be anything, even the slightest non serious thing can be the most disrespectful for them)
Mike seriously has the audacity to call you a sociopath when he was just talking about ripping open a ribcage with his bare hands due to the roid rage induced by the girly ass tren dosage
You're thinking of psychopathy, psychopathy is exclusively linked to violence. A psychopath can be a sociopath, a sociopath isn't a psychopath. A sociopathy is linked to inner emptiness and coldness, selfishness, they can lie, cheat ,steal and hurt people emotional and not care at all. Sociopathy is exclusive to emotions and nor really having them or caring about them. A psychopath can be extreme emotional and be driven by emotions. The difference is a sociopath can't help but react and act out, a psychopath is much more calm and calculated. Greg COULD be more of a sociopath while Mike is definitely the psychopath here.
He essentially has strong feelings about coach Greg, hence why he slandered him. Whatever coach did to him, he didn’t like it, probably the drugs making him paranoid of him and resenting him more than last time.
@@3030toby greg says he feels a range of different emotions, mike says he feels only rage. greg says he likes having open honest conversations, mike says he likes intellectually owning people. mike claims greg is a sociopath but from the context that i have provided who looks more like the sociopath?
Israetel made a fool of himself in that interview where he made fun of Greg’s voice. He acted like a schoolyard bully. Greg responded like a sensible adult. Israetel is out of his mind.
I met Greg at the Arnold Classic UK Expo this year 2024. It was incredible to see how kind and caring he was of his fans. Most other celebrities would walk right past and not interact but Greg literally soaked up the positivity and took photos with every single person that approached him. It was hilarious because he could barely take a step and a crowd would surround him. I walked up to him and we had a brief conversation. Greg and I collaborated before and we talked about that too. We took a photo and he then continued to interact with fans. He us one of the most genuine influencers I have met, and is so generous to his fans.
Everyone says this. I wholeheartedly believe that Greg is genuinely a kind person. Mike and Jeff try and act like he’s secretly some mean guy. I never believe it.
Holy sht, my mind is blown.... A public figure acting kind and respectful with the public.....Its definitely because he is a genuine dude and has nothing to do with preserving his base and views.... Lol riiiiiight.
It seems to me Mike is projecting himself upon Greg. His body language despite him trying to mock you in person was that of insecurity and envy. It's quite obvious. Mike is successful with his channel, his company, and does give quality information, same as Greg. Unfortunately, Mike's sense of self is based on these type of successes, and can't understand why he's still not satisfied. Greg on the other hand, would just be Greg, with or without as he's self aware and derives his confidence from striving to be a better human. Mike's illusion is he is 'better than you are'. Greg's reality is, 'I'm working to be a better person than I was yesterday'.
Mike and Greg are both fitness enthusiasts who really love bodybuilding and all things related to fitness. And the best kind of success people like them would want to achieve is being crowned as a champion bodybuilder, powerlifter, etc. (which Greg has -- IFBB Pro card and Guinness powerlifting records). No amount of fame, views, likes and money can top that. If this was the NBA, it would be like Allen Iverson and Kobe Bryant. Both are extremely famous and wealthy players. However, Allen has never won a championship.
Big Mike fan, but I’ve always agreed more with Greg on this feud. I don’t get Greg hate, seems like a genuine guy, which seem to be a gift and a curse to him. Not that it seems he give a shit lol
Genuine? So you haven’t heard him say right out of his own mouth that he changed his voice and continent to make money from more views? When have you last seen Greg do a video on how to properly do an exercise? Remember back when that is what he did? Since you are such a fan of his how many $100 dollar cook books have you bought from him? Here is genuine fact for you Better Homes and Gardens 100 anniversary cookbook sells for $25 dollars. That is 100 years of sales for 1/4 the price. Your looking from a lens that only you can see out of
@@clipperbob960 yes bro he's genuine, he talks about wanting to make more money openly multiple times, also why does it bother you just don't buy his products lmao
Read the note below where Greg on video has called his fans all "morons". Is he correct? Are you a moron? Do you like being degraded and used for your money? If so great. I CHOOSE to not be called a moron then fund the person degrading me. It is called having character and taking pride in yourself.
Let me get this straight. Mike wanted a confrontation and a fight with greg doucette and was mad that greg was calm and behaved like a normal human being? I dont think its the roids greg you are too nice. I genuinely think that mike is a bad person. He wanted to fight with you, probably had a made up argument with you in his head and how cool he would look to destroy you in that heated exchange. It probabl came as a total shock that you weren't aggressive towards him so instead of taking that as a good thing he became even more mad that you didnt entertain him and fought with him as you did in his mind. I remember doing similar things when i was a kid, making up arguments with people who have nothing against me just for the purpose of fightin. Pathetic
Couldn't have said it better. Not that I want to spread my comment, but since I wrote something related to yours, here is my comment maybe you find it interesting. Honestly as someone neutral looking in from outside (as a subscriber to both of you guys) I think that Greg is an honestly nice guy, contrary to Mike who comes across as a narcissist. The typical insecurity, power trip, superiority complex and looking down on others that narcissists do is present in him. At least that is my humble opinion on this matter as someone who has no claim in this and does not "nuthug" Greg as Mike likes to say to everybody who doesn't agree/support with him and outright hate/reject Greg and his views. I would be careful if I were Greg, because narcissists go to extreme length in order to get "even" meaning completely destroy others when they feel like they did not get the respect/admiration/submission they deserve or when someone dares to go against them (which can be the slightest thing for them). You can see part of that in those interviews/debates, how he handles himself, how he treats other people and what he says in general. Those crazy mofos are dangerous man, they destroy lives like its nothing, they don't have any qualms about it, no remorse or feelings like empathy in this regard. For them it's fun, they enjoy the sadistic destruction and domination of others. I tell you if there are no laws in place or he feels like he could get away with it, he would tear Greg or anybody who dares to come in his way apart, I mean quite literally. Moral of the story, guys be careful when you deal with those people.
Yeah Mike claims he only takes 100mg tren (an obvious lie to anyone who has ever competed at a high ish level). I can tell you I’ve taken up to a cc a day, 700mg a week, and NEVER get these urges and impulses that Mike gets.
@@Kenny-yl9pcWhat happens when they meet somewhere face to face. I think if Mike doesn't get his emotions under control it might not be a good outcome.
Im a fan of both of you guys. Appreciate how you toned the ads down recently, your vids have gotten more enjoyable once again as a result, thanks for listening to the feedback
Greg is a drama queen but its just a part of his content he pokes people with his unfiltered opinions. Mike is a narcissist and by definition, far closer to a psychopath than Greg is.
greg is not a drama queen. he exposes hypocrisy and delusion of bodybuilding community. if not greg ppl would still treat isratel like a good example of a human being. he is not. he took an easy relatively phD just to have a leverage to take roids and have an argument against haters.
Man I said the same; Here thats what I wrote before reading your comment: Honestly as someone neutral looking in from outside (as a subscriber to both of you guys) I think that Greg is an honestly nice guy, contrary to Mike who comes across as a narcissist. The typical insecurity, power trip, superiority complex and looking down on others that narcissists do is present in him. At least that is my humble opinion on this matter as someone who has no claim in this and does not "nuthug" Greg as Mike likes to say to everybody who doesn't agree/support with him and outright hate/reject Greg and his views. I would be careful if I were Greg, because narcissists go to extreme length in order to get "even" meaning completely destroy others when they feel like they did not get the respect/admiration/submission they deserve or when someone dares to go against them (which can be the slightest thing for them). You can see part of that in those interviews/debates, how he handles himself, how he treats other people and what he says in general. Those crazy mofos are dangerous man, they destroy lives like its nothing, they don't have any qualms about it, no remorse or feelings like empathy in this regard. For them it's fun, they enjoy the sadistic destruction and domination of others. I tell you if there are no laws in place or he feels like he could get away with it, he would tear Greg or anybody who dares to come in his way apart, I mean quite literally. Moral of the story, guys be careful when you deal with those people.
“Close your eyes. Imagine your dream physique. Now open. You’re not getting it!” this phrase alone has helped and inspired more people than Mike has ever had in his life 😂
Funny thing is, Socrates never wanted to "win" debates, he wanted to learn the truth and the debate itself was supposed to be a collaborative effort. So Greg, not knowing what the Socratic method is, actually adhered to its soul and principle way more than Mike did. Mike just rapidly hurls buzzwords, some of which he has no knowledge of or authority on to use with any sort of responsibility, to sound smart, and it actually makes him look like an idiot.
Yeah, the socratic method used as a method to "win" debates is bad faith. Socratic method only matters if you have genuine curiosity and willing to learn, while also asking hard hitting questions that the claimer may haven't yet considered. A true socratic method wouldn't be a strategy of attack, it would be a dialogue.
@@NamNguyen-zs3md Jesus, you guys really like to huff Gregg's farts, don't you? Mike has changed his mind on lots of things in light of new evidence, lengthened partials being the latest. Gregg on the otherhand pushes unscientific snake oil to his gullible fanbase. So much for "truth".
@@jonathanbenoza8136 Oftentimes, in school, we had to be on the side of a debate that we categorically disagreed with in real life but we had to debate the question as ardently as if we genuinely had that point of view. Sometimes the questions were so philosophical that there really was no side at all that we agreed with but the debate was a way in which one could form a point of view on the subject! I have tried to talk to people about debates not necessarily needing to end with a winner or loser but alas debate bros are rather difficult to reason with, ironically! 🤣 (By the way, we learned about Socrates in Classical Civilisation quite a while after debating lessons, for some peculiar reason. One of the things that stood out to us kids was how people got so annoyed with him precisely for this tendency 😂).
Mike didn't seem to mind being interviewed on coach Greg's channel three years ago while having far less followers. And the funny thing is that he's actually talking about Greg's hypocrisy 😂😂
Isn't Greg the one who talks about Mike 24/7? Go check Greg's channel and you'll see how many videos he made about Mike in less than two months, mike said the word sociopath after all the criticizing Greg has done to him, mike generally doesn't care about drama but it's Greg who's sole purpose is to cause problems and drama between fitness influencers
Proceeds to approach doucette in public with a maniacal parrot voice that keeps on going longer than anyone would be comfortable with all the while trying to intimidate him with his body language, lol good job
Just because you enjoy sitting in class more than someone else does not guarantee you to be smarter. There’s many different ways to learn new knowledge in today’s day and age.
besides the countless videos of greg criticizing mike and filled with backhanded insults, not to mention greg was the first one to start attacking mike's training approaches, not the other way around, are you delusional?
@@cenunix mike's training appoaches should be criticized. he's above the criticisim to most brain dead idiots in fitness industry which is a slippery slope when dealing with a narcissist like Mike
@@cenunix Greg never insulted or attacked mikes character in any way shape or form. For someone with a PHD he should know that you automatically lose an argument once you start insulting someone. Not a single one of Greg’s videos does he say “mikes training is dumb and mine is better.” I haven’t even seen him say a single thing about his training, Greg spoke about mikes PED abuse and his Diet since Mike thinks he didn’t get his pro card due to poor training and A bad tan while eating like 3000Cal on a “cut”.
I think Mike has been hiding a lot of self esteem issues and unresolved inner demons.. They come out in his comments a lot... He jokes about himself but it's a coping mechanism...a lot of shit really bothers him and it's probably what motivated him to be whatever he's become. The next milestone was the bodybuilding pro card and he FAILED, maybe it's the first time in a while he felt the sting of defeat. He absolutely went balls out and it wasn't good enough. He knows he can't do it and I think it crushed him. I really think he's fucked up over it.
Greg has allowed money to limit his ability to create quality content and instead made him focus only on drama about other youtubers to get cheap clicks.
When I saw that real time I was really taken back. Like damn, you are doing this offensive impersonation to the man's face. Meeting someone for the first time and doing that is really disrespectful no matter who you or they are.
Not to mention he was the one who didn’t like Greg but he still puts a camera to his face for the views instead of having a normal conversation, but when Greg criticizes him constructively on YT he’s “talking shit”
Mike's jokes are the clearest example of his disturbed (AAS affected) mind. He also craves constant validation. That's why he's so pretentious on camera.
It was low key bullying. If anything it was evidence that Mike is the one with psychological problems. I got plenty of issues with Greg but I’d be kind to him one on one and never do anything like that.
What I like about your channel is that you’re not a hater Greg. I think we can see real honesty in your video. You’re successful and people are jealous, that’s part of the game 👍
I honestly think there’s no point reasoning with Mike because his already built up this image of him being right and Greg being the villain so he won’t listen regardless
Mike is absolutely in a dark place right now. I don't think it's right that he's talking all this crap, but he is definitely not in his right state of mind.
@@yahoo642 I enjoy both of them and have learned a great deal from their channels, but I think the problem is that when influencers get caught in that weird bubble of fame, they just magnify the worst things about each other.
"Mike... there is no 'method.' I haven't studied psychological warfare" The clips of Mike ranting spliced in with Greg eating and responding between bites unbothered. Lmfao this Greg guy is good
@@LikeArson I think you are misunderstanding his statement of "not having studied psychological warfare". He is referring to Mikes believe that Greg did resort to "psychological tricks" in order to come across in better light than Mike. Greg calling it "psychological warfare" is just a funny and exaggerated way to roast the belief Mike holds.
Dang, that's kinda sad, I thought that in-person interaction was just mike having fun, and was in good fun. Didn't realize how aggro he's been toward you.
Mike hates Greg? Hmm there’s a lot of people mike doesn’t like, with all the gear he’s still running- along with his sensitivity to negative emotion, he’s not exactly going to see the silver lining in a situation
And for what ?! He doesn't have what it takes to be an IFBB pro , even with all the things he's taking . It's just not worth it , nothing is more important than ones health .
Pretty sure he mentally got lost the subject of Coach Greg after he digressed on the 1st question and the interviewer had to go back and remind him several minutes later. Hence the 2 sections of the video on Coach Greg.
Same. It's why I unsubbed from RP. He's pandering to a young audience, definitely, but also just creepy AF. Making comments like that in his Brad Schoenfeld videos was super awkward.
There’s nothing wrong with being comfortable knowing you’re straight and making silly jokes about the boys. If it makes you uncomfortable you either have an extremely vanilla sense of humor or are having some of these thoughts for real and don’t like it. Live a little and realize they are JUST JOKES.
the funny thing is that so many people dislike Greg at this point, that people online and even influencers got accustomed to bashing him just to get quick praise and admiration. it’s not fair. and that single real life interaction between Mike and Greg was blood boiling to watch
Greg brought it on himself when he kept talking shit and inserting his nose in other people's business like Stephanie Buttermore ... Look at how he approached her situation and how Paul Reveilla did. Calling people obese and being mean about it, why does he do that? I don't know
@@mohamadsorya6718 I'd rather watch Greg and say it as it is. He's analyzing from a fitness and medically classified point of view and there is nothing wrong with that to inform the masses of potential health issues. Mean is subjective, I had no problem on how he presented the information and yes there is some entertainment value in his videos. TH-cam has a fair use policy which means yes, other people can critique your videos.
@@mohamadsorya6718 if he didn't poke his nose, you'd have people constantly glazing people like Togi. When you don't call out bs then you get stuff like the Fat Acceptance movement that believe they are obese because of genetics and it has almost nothing to do with food.
I love how he always calls Jared a doctor also, because Jared also has a phd, but jared never says it himself, Mike does and jared just stays silent and awkward every time lol.
Greg Admitting defeat in terms of overall success really puts Mike into a weird limelight. In the end who cares about IFBB pro if you are already at the top 1% of fitness influencers. Why keep putting your body through so much stress, in the process of destroying your brain, just so you can say I told you so.
Its cause he really wants that ifbp pro card and Greg has one and Greg is just better at getting lean also has a better physique despite just being on TRT
yeah, I definitely think him not being able to prove his "science based" system actually produces the results that "dumb Greg" gets is destroying his ego.
@@dash4800 I mean that's not evidence to the contrary. Much of Mike's information is not saying what works or doesn't work but what is more optimal. You'd be foolish to say that much of the advice that Mike gives isn't taken into account by both Greg and top bodybuilders it just goes over the head of most people who are new to lifting.
Love how mike talks about a scientific debate and 2 seconds later says that he wants to embarrass greg and f* him. Last time i had a debate unsulting and embarrassing other people wasnt part of it. But who knows what a PHD in SPORT teaches you...
@@dragonsieu76i mean most of them literally base all their self worth on how big their muscles are lmao. Take the “if you’re under 200lbs youre victim weight” trend for example.
yeah because greg was the one already making videos before the debate talking shit? if you're gonna leave a comment listen to the actual video, even greg mentions that. wtf are you talking about?
I think Mike Israetel is having a low self confidence episode. It seems like all the bravado is a way of trying to convince himself he’s tough. He has it all but he seems very uncomfortable in his own skin.
@@paragon1017 Definitely meant mentally. Nobody is impressed with tough guys. At a certain point of physical toughness it's not impressive. Oh wow someone is capable of physical violence, that's the least impressive brag you could make. Good job juicehead nobody wants to be in your vicinity. I'm more impressed if someone is strong and doesn't act like a tough guy. If you're jacked as f and super kind to almost everyone then you're the man.
He has super low self esteem and is really insecure. You can tell by the little self deprecating jokes he makes about himself. Also some of his philosophies like always assuming hes wrong in a social interaction.
Greg’s advice is advice a personal trainer would know but intentionally not frame it the same way because you’d realize you can actually train yourself after a while. Mikes advice is framed in a way personal trainer would frame it to make you feel like you can’t workout without them lol And the funny thing is that Greg has the better results
I find it hilarious that Mike assumes things like "pump being a proxy for hypertrophy" even though the data doesn't support it. Hypertrophy isn't rocket science and Mike is a hypocrite for making shit up and going against what he preaches. Mike's the typical case of deluding himself to think he's smarter than he actually is.
"pump being a proxy for hypertrophy" Do you mean Mike has said that getting a pump is equal to hypertrophy? I've seen alot of his videos about what causes hypertrophy but I've never heard him explicitly say "if you get a pump you will grow". However I do remember him saying something along the lines of "getting a pump is a good indicator that your targeted muscle is actually getting a good stimulus, thus causing hypertrophy". I doubt that mike has said "yeah bro just grab the 10lbs dumbbells and do 100reps until you feel a pump".. I haven't watched the video yet. does Greg bring that up with a quote from mike or are you just making stuff up? In other words; for example if you only feel your biceps burning from doing a lat pulldown. maybe you should either switch exercise or see about your form.and yes i know that feeling no tension in your muscle does not automatically mean you're not working said muscle, but once again it would be a good indicator.
It's called Dunning-Kruger effect and he has it in regards to his physique in bodybuilding. His perception of himself is vastly overestimated. Greg was right about the drugs screwing his mind up.
Yeah I was thinking the same exact thing. He's definitely learned over time that a calm reaction to others will usually piss them off even more lol. Especially in this case where Mike has been talking about his aggressive thinking. Greg taking advantage of Mikes emotions harder than last time. 😂
mike has always come across arrogant and with a chip on his shoulder.. very hard to sit through his videos..not to mention his cringy not so funny "jokes".. very put offish imo..🤷🏿♂️
Sometimes it feels weird when you're just being honest, decent and authentic and someone hates your guts. I understand that feeling. Sometimes it stems from jealousy or insecurity, maybe mike is jealous that you have a pro card and he doesn't. Ignore the hate and keep doing and what you're doing.
Cynicism too, and projecting that cynicism unto others. The mindset that no one can be trusted with what they say. You know why America necessarily do not lie about their strategies in war? They are banking on the cynicism of their opponent to think they are making the opposite move. And I just made this up, cause I'm not a cynicism.. I'm a sicmisimcismmininism
Let’s be real here.. both Greg and Mike are in this together, to get more clicks, views, etc. for money. Anyone who thinks these ‘debates’ are legitimate do not understand the true motivation and purpose behind their channels. It’s all a facade and a way to stay relevant.
@@ot_decathlete398 well this is partially true. But they didn't make a video call agreeing on this, they just know that's what it's for in the back of their minds. However Gregg maintains a more genuine image in the process.
I've heard Mike talk about his jiu jitsu training in the past and how his motivation was to beat up his childhood/high school bullies. It would seem that he sees Greg as one of the bullies in his life and his child-like, roided up rage is getting the best of him. Every time Greg gives valid criticism, as in the case of his IFBB tryout, all he hears in his head is "take THAT you short J*w" and he can't help it but seethe with rage. Guy seriously needs some help.
Imagine a round table with all the gurus out there, discussing fitness and bodybuilding... You would need a lot of popcorn for that, but it would make a hell of an episode!
Mike Israetel is the same guy who tells you he “sees red in a fight”. He’s a paper cowboy. True tough guys let it be unsaid, they don’t try to create an image like he does. He thinks if you throw some scientific words together dumb people will think you’re smart. He is very insecure. Needs the world to know how tough and smart he is. Frankly he is neither.
Say what you want about Mike Israetel but he knows his stuff.. “throw some scientific words together” lol those scientific words have meaning. I agree he’s silly and probably insecure but that doesn’t make him dumb, he has a PhD for a reason he didn’t get it from a cereal box lmao
I don’t know Greg, but a friend of mine does, and I know Greg is generous with his time and energy. Mike calls himself Doctor and reads a weekly cia script on his other “Mike knows best” channel or whatever he calls it. My two cents haha
Although this is true of most bodybuilders, Mike looks like he has a very hard time with his inferiority complex. Constantly trying to prove himself, which is a good thing and a bad thing.
@jaleesa00 I don't think it's a marketing thing, or shall I say it's not exclusively, its more about his ego, a very fragile one at that, hence the strong insecurities and extreme reactions towards anything and anybody who he perceives as "disrespectful". He is a classical narcissist in my humble opinion...
@@ezforsaken Most people in the US don't do it either. That's how you know if someone is a douche or their parents paid for their PHD. What a lot of people don't understand is that the difference between a PHD and a masters isn't really the learning, it's the research. The research Mike did to get his PHD was not exactly the best. Not to mention the college he got his degree from was also not even close to the best. Mike is one of those people who is good at stringing words together, and he does know what he's talking about, and he is very passionate. You could even call him an expert, but the problem is that he is not right as much as most people think, he is certainly not right as much as he thinks. But he always says things confidently, even if he shouldn't. Greg only says things confidently if they're from experience (or it makes him money).
Mike seems like one of those guys who thinks he’s right about everything because he has the degree. I’ve seen a video where he says posture has nothing to do with your muscles being too tight in one area. Really hard to take him seriously after hearing that. You would think a doctor would know about things like pinched nerves just to name one.
uhmm yeah? he said "tight muscles" but you're going off-topic here and starts talking about pinched nerves. tight muscles are not the same as a pinched nerve so why do you try to shit talk him when you're literally wrong with your comparison?
@@polypom8453 🤦♂️ first of all “tight muscles” is not an exact quote. What he actually said was even dumber. Go checkout his mark whalberg video. Second, I’m not sure what you thinks holds muscles in place…. But it’s your nerves
Coach Greg is a true gem. The most pure hearted person I have seen in my life. It's important to notice the fact that Greg never sugarcoated, he says what needs to be said. He could have easily destroyed Mike's ego and his psychological state by saying just one thing " I'm an IFBB pro and you're not Mike". This would be enough to destroy Mike's ego, but he didn't put him down, he didn't lowball, never poked him saying that I'm a pro and you're not. He's truly a gem. End of debate.
"Coach Greg is a true gem. The most pure hearted person I have seen in my life. " Greg : "Buy me Turkesterone!" Also here is yet another drama video about some youtuber! 😆
Have you seen the video where he called his viewers all “morons”? Please tell me if you are a supporter of Greg so I know if you like being called a “moron”!
I’ve watched Greg for a long time now and I think he is genuinely a good person. I’ve watched mike and you can tell there is an underlying tone of “I’m better than all of you” in his vids
mike's whole twist on this conversation was, 'who cares if the guy is nice if he is wrong'; well it does, because we are here to learn and to entertain ourselves on youtube and I'd rather invest my time watching some high pitched former bodybuilder who gets most things but doesn't know the science, than a very angry and narcissistic bald dude with a phd.
The worst part is Greg is correct. If Mike wants to throw out titles for authority sake. Who has an IFBB pro card and coached multiple people to one and who doesn't? Literally just the fact that Greg has one shows he knows more than Mike.
Yeah, smartest person in the room syndrome, borderline narcissistic behavior. Most intelligent people want to converse with others, listen and learn more to expand their knowledge, not brow beat somebody else with their own knowledge.
"I wanted to embarrass him intellectually." Yeah, because it's the only way he can feel superior, the truth is he'd swap his Phd for Gregs achievements in bodybuilding in a heartbeat. Hes not even that brilliant intellectually. He just mixes with a crowd that seem to be too impressed by a Phd. I find him to come off as really insecure. And that fake Greg voice he was doing, for way too long?? That was excruciating and all the awkwardness I felt was for him. He should be embarrasssed he did that.
Its in sports physiology. This is why whenever he is talking about training, giving examples or comparisons to validity of certain training types he talks a lot about prioritisation specificity and athletes. His dissertation was looking at correlations for certain performance metrics and success. Its quite interesting and had some fairly obvious conclusions, but there was a limit on data for it before so its good for the clarification. I am in sports science and the last time I heard him speak it was about rate of force development, conjugate programming and cross sectional muscle variability.
Dr Mike was one of the smartest guys on TH-cam in terms of YT Fitness back in 2015. He was just "undiscovered". He created the volume landmarks and was one of the biggest proponents of explaining effective sets, RIR and giving people realistic examples of how many sets per muscle group they should be doing. Revolutionary at the time when there wasn't any information out there backed by science supported by guys who actually lifted & lifted hard. If you've only discovered Mike a year or two ago then you don't know the half of what he's done for people & how he's changed the industry, people nowadays literally parrot things he's said for years and it's such common knowledge now people never knew a lot of it started with him.
Funny how PHD Mike is always talking about how lost in the sauce he is, but also he is always right……. he definitely suffers from narcissistic personality disorder.
@@wafercrackerjack880he has said he is neurodivergent possibly with the tism, this makes the most sense to me with his high ability to focus and how black and white he views the world. This absolutism definitely is difficult to get along with socially other people unless you surround yourself with only those that agree or are superior to. Social and emotional can be very challenging for those with high intelligence and tism because they have difficulty recognizing the need for improving their social skills 😢 think of Sheldon from the sitcom.
@@carriepickett2687 is he diagnosed as neurodivergent, or is it only his opinion? Because he doesn't look like one. Mike has this skill to make his opinion sound like facts, and people not well verse in differentiating this are easily fooled by his verbosity.
As someone who’s watched you for several years now. I find it kind of badass that you have remained so transparent and if anything have gotten more transparent. These others youtubers are so flabbergasted when someone doesn’t want to play the phone game. Or when someone doesn’t have a shadow they’re trying to hide behind.
Mike seems to only be smart in connection with training. You can think of Greg whatever but to talk about him like mike does is very weird and concerning...Everyone who saw more than one video from greg knows that he is a reasonable guy; he makes some blunt advertisement and does a certain amount of clickbait for sure but its kinda funny at this point.
Wow, I used to rate Dr Mike, but I just lost all respect for him after seeing that clip from the Olympia. WTF was he thinking? It was such a petty, mean spirited, childish thing to do. Meanwhile, coach Greg’s taking the high road was such a classy move. It perfectly highlighted how mean and just plain weird Mike was acting. How obsessed does someone have to be to chase a stranger to a competition, corner them, grab and continuously clutch their hand while aggressively mocking them in a childish way - while filming them, so you can show it off to the world? Mike actually looked unhinged there, as if he’d been possessed by the ghost of a terminally insecure 9-year-old. Seriously, who other than a child would think that type of schoolyard bullying is anything but a total loser move? I felt embarrassed for Mike just watching it. Maybe the steroids cooked his brain that cycle, and it was a twisted roid-rage moment. I can’t think why else a grown man would have a tantrum like that in public, over a stranger saying words - especially words that were largely constructive criticism. In any case, Greg’s critique of Mike clearly hit home. That’s what makes it so funny. Mike exposed himself. He clearly thought what Greg said was the truth - otherwise he’d have just debunked it or laughed it off, instead of having this bizarre meltdown. Finally, I’m tired of Mike claiming he’s intellectually superior to everyone. According to him, anyone who doesn’t take his side is just too stupid to ‘understand the science’. It can’t be that Mike’s actually in the wrong, or that other people might have well-thought out, well informed opinions that just aren’t the same as his. His whole intellectual superiority routine just seems like a massive cope, and makes him look like an insecure, over-sensitive child who lacks perspective.
You are not genetically blessed when it comes to intelligence. Greg has been a liar his whole career. He failed drug tests and now sells placebo sugar pills for a living.
The fact that Mike really wants to prove he won the debate, insulted Greg a lot in person like a bully, now called him a bunch of names... Plus, Greg is in way better shape
I have never seen that debate but the clips played really make Mike seem like the /r/iamverysmart of the fitness world. Like, sure, scientifically he probably won, but to improve the fitness of the average joe, Greg probably won.
Dear Greg, please ignore Mike. It is very obvious that he is jealous of you. He also tries to appear to be really intelligent when he isn’t. Don’t like him! He is just a bully!
The thing that has always put me off, is that a guy that went to Temple University feels the need to mention he has a PhD, and adresses himself by "Dr. Mike" every chance he has, whereas Ivy league PhDs and Oxbridge ones, just like to introduce themselves by their first and last name. Mike, it isn't very that hard to get into a Sports Science PhD program, especially at a shitty college. Even the 7th best guy on my high school class got into a PhD program...
Correct. You call yourself ‘first name last name PhD’ you don’t call yourself ‘dr first name last name’ unless you’re a medical doctor. Very strange cat.
Just because you have a phd doesn’t mean you are intelligent. It just means that you had the time and money to dedicate to school to get the phd. Education and intelligence are not synonymous.
It’s the cocktails of enhancement mixture talking..he said it himself, he’s angry and wanting to rip people apart. He made fun of Greg straight out the gate the first time he met him. Now he’s the victim! Come on Mike!
You both have such great information and influence- and I think it’s a shame Ego has to get in the way of your real goals on TH-cam. (Helping People With Their Health)
Greg makes a good point about people not knowing their bodies during exercise. As a trainer I know full well some people don’t have that mind/muscle relationship to know anything that’s going on or even how to engage the muscles being worked in an efficient way. Isrratel’s advice was good, but mainly if you have that mind/muscle connection developed already There are people who can go on an isolation style machine and they still have a hard time finding the engagement on that muscle . Experienced lifters can attain that same muscle engagement while doing nothing @ all in a chair. Good luck telling the inexperienced person to go off the advice istratel gave
yep, bodybuilders been saying it all these decades, its about "the feel", what works best for you. However, nerds are convinced that regional hypertrophy doesnt exist, and that shape is just all about genetics. Fallacious, they simply do not mindfully sculp their bodies.
I think we can all agree that this fight between Mom and Dad is probably my fault. I wasn't a good enough child and I'm tearing this family apart.
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Cringe
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@@mrgame97Your mom is cringe
@@padaro4504 t. nerd who thinks mike gayratel is funny
This is my absolute favorite mean girls storyline.
Whelp, this comment won and deserves the pin GREG.
Yeah all these petty arguments between fitness influencers are all nonsense but it's entertaining nonsense. At least they carry me through my lunch break 😂
Im so guilty of loving youtube drama , I feel into the turkeytom/darktom rabbit hole and holy shit im in 💅🍷
Green Goblin (Mike) vs Light Yagami (Greg)
😅😅😅😅 BEST COMMENT
>sit down to eat more calories than last time
>open youtube
>see greg vs mike part 87
>yup, its kino time
literally eating my post workout meal while watching this
b e ë f å n d b ë a n
Let’s be real here.. both Greg and Mike are in this together, to get more clicks, views, etc. for money. Anyone who thinks these ‘debates’ are legitimate do not understand the true motivation and purpose behind their channels. It’s all a facade and a way to stay relevant.
Kino time 😂
Battle of the louboutins
Greg Spiting Facts Harder Than Last Time 🎯
Dang. 12 euros and no response..
@ I think Greg prefer me to buy his Turk 😂🤣
You know its serious when Coach Greg is using his normal voice...
Yah, it's kinda scary
He's in a hotel room, I don't think the yelling would fly there
Maybe it’s because Mike made fun of his parrot voice
I just can't believe Mike actually expected the Parrott Voice to be his actual voice 🤦
This don't sound like him so what's his actual real voice?
I have met both of these men in person at the Arnold 2024, I can tell you that the way they interact and behave off camera is totally different. I wouldn’t say either one is a bad person but from what I saw Mike is a more celebrity type of person, he sets up a time he allowed people to take photos with him and after he was gone, didn’t talk to people and just walk around like a guest, he was only there as a influencer. However, coach greg spent so much time talking to fans, I ran into him 4-5 times and he was always talking to fans. At one point I saw him walking through the lobby and he was happy to talk to me as more then just a fan, I could see he was genuinely happy to be in a conversation with someone and though I don’t know either one personally, Greg’s attitude off camera gave me a respect for him which is rare in the fitness industry where people will willingly lie for views.
Damn I love Dr. Mike and I’m sure he has his reasons which I respect. However, I agree with your sentiment with Greg. Respect for the coach fr! That’s a win imo.
It’s all for likes and clicks
@@manofculture2230 Mike has always been a narcissistic asshole. And the information you get from him is not special. You can literally follow Jeff Nippard and you're covered by the science aspect of lifting weights.
"where people willingly lie for views" like greg lol, who tf cares if he acted nice to you, it has nothing to do with him being a snake oil salesman, attacking people constantly and playing the victim card whenever somebody talks about him
Nice anecdotal experience. You must now know them better than they know themselves
Mike: Has PHD, not IFBB Pro
Greg: has Masters, Is IFBB Pro
Ronnie Coleman: Highschool education, 8X Mr Olympia
Remember kids less education = more gains
genetics lol
Ronnie has a degree lmao. Just a bachelors.
Greg hasn't given advice on lifting in months...it's funny to pop in for a few minutes but his content is basically tik Tok reels for clicks
wrong
yall should see my unemployment/EDD gains
As a sociopath i can confirm that mike is a sociopath.
For some reason I really relate to how Mike feels but after getting Greg perspective, I’m really thinking about why and how Mike thinks or feels like how he feeling rn and why i or we can relate. I think he/we/I need to build trust in other people that we meet in or day to day lives
you're probably not a sociopath. just a retard who doesn't know about social cues.
Is it possible it may be NPD?
@@vi23100 i reckon it is, but not the grandiose sort, more like a defensive sort
@@vi23100 they're all just labels under ASPD.
Finally, the response I have been expecting harder than last time.
Im harder then last time
When he made fun of your voice you should have started blinking really hard
😂😂😂 Yeah the mutual roast in that live interaction would've been priceless
😂😂 mike would be pissed and result to a fight
Omg yes 😂
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I think Mike wants your IFBB Pro card
I also think he can't accept the fact that Greg has one and he does not.
@@dirk4emal so true
@@dirk4emalI honestly think this is where Mike’s actual anger at Greg comes from. They haven’t even interacted that much between the two of them and he’s so mad it’s just jealousy.
@@darkcircle899Mike just needs to accept he is genetically inferior he doesn’t have the natural shreds condition insertions and shape as Greg. Dr. Mike does not have ifbb level physique
Only one way to settle it. POSE DOWN.
The funny part about this is: Mike’s literally the author of his own misfortune. Here’s the timeline.
1. Jonni has beef with Greg.
2. Mike and Jonni get real chummy and start doing lots of content together.
3. Mike pulls the Olympia stunt trying to embarrass Greg only to look like a Grade 8 bully.
4. Jonni and Mike make more content. This time, Mike flat out lies about Greg claiming to be a doctor. Jonni says nothing and does nothing to defend Greg. In spite of their beef, he knows Mike’s wrong but he enables Mike’s behaviour. I got the feeling Jonni was letting Mike do a lot of clapping back. A Beef Spokesperson if you will.
4. Jonni has a death in the family and starts to get push back on the Mike trolling from fans.Seems like he had a moment of clarity and apologizes to Greg.
(If what I heard is right. Jonni is wrong on a few counts)
5. Jeff Nippard interviews Mike and Mike starts his transparency tour speaking of the dangers of steroids and how they are affecting him. Mike does a few other podcast echoing the same information.
5. Mike’s transparency tour continues as he gives us a window into his diet and the cycles he’s taking.
6. Mike clearly can’t diet properly and has a bevy of health issues and visual side effects. Clubbed fingers. GH Head, horns growing from his forehead. GH gut.
6. Greg gathers up all this information . None of which he had to dig for. All out there for public consumption. He makes a video showing that Mike needs to stop. He highlights his poor eating habits, all the negative side effects, Mike’s age, Mike’s aversion to cardio and the fact that his diet is that of a 14 year old boy while he’s also taking a semi glutide. Greg highlights the mental side effects. Greg points out that this a fruitless pursuit. Especially cause Mike’s on top influencer wise and doesn’t need the pro card.
7. Mike loses his bodybuilding show. Badly. Blames it on a bad tan. Not his poor conditioning , sub optimal diet unaesthetic frame.
8. Mike is salty because the fanbase agrees with Greg. Even the saltiest of haters agree. He doesn’t need the pro card. Why is he chasing this dream?
9. Greg comes out smelling like roses. Everything he predicted came to fruition.
10. Mike tries to save face and retire though the whole internet and Greg retired him months ago.
11. Greg’s once again validated. Mike shared his journey. Greg pointed out the holes in his mindset and methods. He has to eat humble pie.
12. Mike knows he can’t attack Greg’s knowledge anymore so he goes all in on his character on a Revenge Tour.
Did I miss anything?
Common theme here. Mike starts the bullying with Jonni. Over shares about his bodybuilding journey and methods and gets flamed for it.
He literally gave Greg all the ammunition and motivation to flame his ass. No investigative reporting, no lies, just facts.
Now Mike’s true persona is yet again being exposed. The one he hides behind the sarcastic, good guy act.
He tried to discredit a pro bodybuilder and judge. Then he got exposed. None of this had to go this way.
He brought it all on himself. Egotistical, petty, straight lying.
Pride Cometh before the fall. He could have stayed on top unscathed. Now people question his integrity, character, morals,bodybuilding knowledge, nutritional knowledge etc.
He played himself.
Wow thanks for this, I actually enjoy reading it. I subs Mike because he likes to bully everyone on his videos, kinda funny. But I don't like he bullies Greg like a jealous 6th grader.
@@ArianGendar agreed. I was really disappointed in Jonni and Mike after that. They came off like villains. It seemed like roles they had played before. It seemed like it’s who they were.
Thanks for the comment! Well put together and written
100%
Thank you for your summary of events. This is my reading of the situation aswell. That and the fact that Mike severely overestimates his intelligence and knowledge. He became arrogant to the point that he is blind to other perspectives.
Haha, I do not have the vagues interest body building drama so I wont ready anything in your comment
"You're in the woods with Coach Greg a Bear and Dr. Mike. Now I get it some of you are choosing the bear." Absolute gold🤣
Haha 🐐🐐🐐🐐
I'm choosing Greg, And the bear whon't kill me in my sleep cause I pissed him off!
@@kavdar1634Dr mike wouldn't kill you he'd just growl and say he would
Is the joke that Greg is referring to Mike as the bear?
@@John-dd8khThere was a joke, I think, about how girls would rather choose a bear than a man to help her in the woods.
Mike is angrier than last time because Gregg called him out on his mediocre condition for the competition. Mike needs to accept constructive criticism
Especially from someone who is actually an IFBB pro and has coached multiple people to it. He’s literally got an expert on the exact thing he wants to achieve giving him free advice. He should be taking it.
Mike is believing his own BS a bit too much, some of his training advice is also quite questionable and/or click bait heavy.
Wasn't his fault man, it was the tan 😂
@@murmor6890 Mike's worthless easy mode doctorate has gone to his head. He's not smart.
@@elobiretvthat tan was really bad though tbf
I'm a huge Mike I fan and he's getting pretty cooked in this one ngl
He really isn't. Gossip channel Greg goes up against someone who uses science to help people. Of course people in the industry dislike Greg, he's the human manifestation of a tabloid.
Same man😭 I love mike and Greg is literally like a 18 year old girl with the drama but he’s been in the right for the most of it😭 particularly about the tan and leanness part…
It’s because Mike is literally just throwing out attacks and almost everything he’s saying is fabricated. Greg on the other hand is using Mike’s own words and videos with examples in the video.
Absolutely. Mike getting straight KO’d.
@@darkcircle899Did you actually watch the whole thing. Greg spins a lot of it. Mike didn’t just randomly start shit talking Greg like Greg says (lied about) here. He was making a direct comparison between Greg and Joel.
Mike seem like the type of dude who "just sees red you don't get it"
Yea, but he actually trains so he could kill you too lol
The hate is because Greg was a better bodybuilder and power lifter than Dr. Mike, despite him having a PhD. Greg saying Mike just doesn't have the genetics got him more pissed because it's true.
@@johana9383 dude
Hit the nail directly on the head😂
Or maybe because Greg has been a liar his whole life. He failed a drug test and got banned for years. Now he sells placebo sugar pills and creates drama to market them to impressionable teenagers who don’t know any better.
Mike is the only person in the world that thinks a Phd means jack shit when it comes to bodybuilding. Nobody is impressed by a Phd in the shitiest science ever
Yea agreed, you hit it quite well. In my humble opinion, Mike has deep rooted insecurities... And to me he looks like a narcissist, which would explain the insecurity coupled with the superiority complex, the denigration of others, the aggression against anybody who dares to disrespect him (which frankly can be anything, even the slightest non serious thing can be the most disrespectful for them)
Mike seriously has the audacity to call you a sociopath when he was just talking about ripping open a ribcage with his bare hands due to the roid rage induced by the girly ass tren dosage
you know that's not what a sociopath is though right?
@@crazydawgmanis one sign of being a sociopath. Doesn’t make him one
You're thinking of psychopathy, psychopathy is exclusively linked to violence.
A psychopath can be a sociopath, a sociopath isn't a psychopath.
A sociopathy is linked to inner emptiness and coldness, selfishness, they can lie, cheat ,steal and hurt people emotional and not care at all. Sociopathy is exclusive to emotions and nor really having them or caring about them.
A psychopath can be extreme emotional and be driven by emotions. The difference is a sociopath can't help but react and act out, a psychopath is much more calm and calculated.
Greg COULD be more of a sociopath while Mike is definitely the psychopath here.
@@hardcorebarbell basically. Sociopath is more about other people. Youre pre much on the money
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“Greg Doucette is a 2-faced sociopath.”
-Mike *”MHMMMMM ALL I FEEL IS RAGE”* Isratel
Wouldn't that make Mike the opposite of two-faced?
He is right though, Douchehead fanboys are so braindead
Anger doesn’t make you a sociopath
He essentially has strong feelings about coach Greg, hence why he slandered him. Whatever coach did to him, he didn’t like it, probably the drugs making him paranoid of him and resenting him more than last time.
@@3030toby greg says he feels a range of different emotions, mike says he feels only rage. greg says he likes having open honest conversations, mike says he likes intellectually owning people.
mike claims greg is a sociopath but from the context that i have provided who looks more like the sociopath?
He wanted to embarrass you intellectually. This kind of statement shows in what mindset a person is.
💯 what well adjusted adult wants to do such a thing.
Israetel made a fool of himself in that interview where he made fun of Greg’s voice. He acted like a schoolyard bully. Greg responded like a sensible adult. Israetel is out of his mind.
Yeah kinda asshole hahaha
It was a joke
Clearly it wasn’t. It’s obvious when someone is joking vs being a bully.
That was sooo awkward! And the awkwardness I felt was all for Mike. What an idiot.
@@John-q7m Its not a particularly nice joke
Clicked faster than last time
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I see these comments every time tf
@@unknown00910yeah well his videos are pretty nice :)
@unknown00910
Seeing more of those comments than last time
“Gggrrrrrrr”
-Dr Mike Isreatel (not an IFBB pro)
😂
Bahahahaha
You didn't have to do him dirty like that 🤣
Not an IFBB Pro 😂😂😂
now Dr. mike wants to rip you in half cause he read your comment while juicing up 💉 lmao
I find Mike to be pretty nauseating to listen to as he *always* has to throw in some sexual innuendos where absolutely unnecessary
I liked it the first three times I saw it, but the ”I’m gay, hue hue hue” schtick is getting really old. Plus, it’s borderline homophobic.
@@hendrongfym homophonic 😂 that's retarded as hell
Yes, I like Gregs shrieking about Turkesterone every 2 minutes instead.
@@hendrong Yes, dear me, it hurts my feelz, pliz give me a hug
Used to it I don’t mind it actually it’s speak genuinely
I met Greg at the Arnold Classic UK Expo this year 2024. It was incredible to see how kind and caring he was of his fans. Most other celebrities would walk right past and not interact but Greg literally soaked up the positivity and took photos with every single person that approached him. It was hilarious because he could barely take a step and a crowd would surround him. I walked up to him and we had a brief conversation. Greg and I collaborated before and we talked about that too. We took a photo and he then continued to interact with fans. He us one of the most genuine influencers I have met, and is so generous to his fans.
Being a school teacher is a selfless job and requires actuall care for you students succes. Its why he is a good coach.
Everyone says this. I wholeheartedly believe that Greg is genuinely a kind person. Mike and Jeff try and act like he’s secretly some mean guy. I never believe it.
Holy sht, my mind is blown.... A public figure acting kind and respectful with the public.....Its definitely because he is a genuine dude and has nothing to do with preserving his base and views.... Lol riiiiiight.
I've learned so much from you over the years. Love your content
@@EnigmaticAnamoly
He worked as a school teacher, they get paid very little. Its believable.
Crazy how since their interview Gregg basically looks the same and Mike looks 20yrs older. Maybe he gets wiser at a faster rate as well 😂
Greg actually looks YOUNGER since he is leaner now and not steroid bloated
@@anonx8822 I was fooled not long ago by a Greg clip which I thought was a flashback -- but it turned out it was fresh material. He is aging well.
Mike's at a lower body fat % now and paler than then, so it might make him look a little older. Greg's a bit more static from consistency
He's got a big head
@@anonx8822his skull bone mass and shape is still permanently changed to a degree too so he is
Handsome squidwarded-up
It seems to me Mike is projecting himself upon Greg. His body language despite him trying to mock you in person was that of insecurity and envy. It's quite obvious. Mike is successful with his channel, his company, and does give quality information, same as Greg. Unfortunately, Mike's sense of self is based on these type of successes, and can't understand why he's still not satisfied. Greg on the other hand, would just be Greg, with or without as he's self aware and derives his confidence from striving to be a better human. Mike's illusion is he is 'better than you are'. Greg's reality is, 'I'm working to be a better person than I was yesterday'.
Spot on, Mike is an insecure little freak
Mike and Greg are both fitness enthusiasts who really love bodybuilding and all things related to fitness. And the best kind of success people like them would want to achieve is being crowned as a champion bodybuilder, powerlifter, etc. (which Greg has -- IFBB Pro card and Guinness powerlifting records). No amount of fame, views, likes and money can top that.
If this was the NBA, it would be like Allen Iverson and Kobe Bryant. Both are extremely famous and wealthy players. However, Allen has never won a championship.
Greg’s tryna be better than last time!
Greg does not give quality information lol, Greg is a drama channel
Mike is certainly insecure, it’s fairly obvious. He also puts way too much value on his phd. It’s actually not that impressive.
Big Mike fan, but I’ve always agreed more with Greg on this feud.
I don’t get Greg hate, seems like a genuine guy, which seem to be a gift and a curse to him. Not that it seems he give a shit lol
Genuine? So you haven’t heard him say right out of his own mouth that he changed his voice and continent to make money from more views? When have you last seen Greg do a video on how to properly do an exercise? Remember back when that is what he did? Since you are such a fan of his how many $100 dollar cook books have you bought from him? Here is genuine fact for you Better Homes and Gardens 100 anniversary cookbook sells for $25 dollars. That is 100 years of sales for 1/4 the price. Your looking from a lens that only you can see out of
@@clipperbob960 yes bro he's genuine, he talks about wanting to make more money openly multiple times, also why does it bother you just don't buy his products lmao
Read the note below where Greg on video has called his fans all "morons". Is he correct? Are you a moron? Do you like being degraded and used for your money? If so great. I CHOOSE to not be called a moron then fund the person degrading me. It is called having character and taking pride in yourself.
@@handle8423 a genuine disingenuous troll grifter. Okay.
@@HardHardMaster yeah he’s a troll lol but how is he a grifter
Let me get this straight. Mike wanted a confrontation and a fight with greg doucette and was mad that greg was calm and behaved like a normal human being? I dont think its the roids greg you are too nice. I genuinely think that mike is a bad person. He wanted to fight with you, probably had a made up argument with you in his head and how cool he would look to destroy you in that heated exchange. It probabl came as a total shock that you weren't aggressive towards him so instead of taking that as a good thing he became even more mad that you didnt entertain him and fought with him as you did in his mind. I remember doing similar things when i was a kid, making up arguments with people who have nothing against me just for the purpose of fightin. Pathetic
Couldn't have said it better. Not that I want to spread my comment, but since I wrote something related to yours, here is my comment maybe you find it interesting.
Honestly as someone neutral looking in from outside (as a subscriber to both of you guys) I think that Greg is an honestly nice guy, contrary to Mike who comes across as a narcissist. The typical insecurity, power trip, superiority complex and looking down on others that narcissists do is present in him. At least that is my humble opinion on this matter as someone who has no claim in this and does not "nuthug" Greg as Mike likes to say to everybody who doesn't agree/support with him and outright hate/reject Greg and his views. I would be careful if I were Greg, because narcissists go to extreme length in order to get "even" meaning completely destroy others when they feel like they did not get the respect/admiration/submission they deserve or when someone dares to go against them (which can be the slightest thing for them). You can see part of that in those interviews/debates, how he handles himself, how he treats other people and what he says in general. Those crazy mofos are dangerous man, they destroy lives like its nothing, they don't have any qualms about it, no remorse or feelings like empathy in this regard. For them it's fun, they enjoy the sadistic destruction and domination of others. I tell you if there are no laws in place or he feels like he could get away with it, he would tear Greg or anybody who dares to come in his way apart, I mean quite literally. Moral of the story, guys be careful when you deal with those people.
It's pretty obvious. To me everything he said about Greg describes himself exactly.
Yeah Mike claims he only takes 100mg tren (an obvious lie to anyone who has ever competed at a high ish level). I can tell you I’ve taken up to a cc a day, 700mg a week, and NEVER get these urges and impulses that Mike gets.
@@Kenny-yl9pcWhat happens when they meet somewhere face to face. I think if Mike doesn't get his emotions under control it might not be a good outcome.
Yup!!
Mike needs to get off the gear before he goes full Chris Benoit.
Wild, I thought the same thing. . .
damn bro💀
As a wrestler I would pay to see greg vs mike
Hopefully all the power that be forbid such a thing from occurring.
@@jorgenmullvad423two midgets who can’t fight? Why?
Played the video at 2x just to hear Greg’s voice the way I like it.
Im a fan of both of you guys. Appreciate how you toned the ads down recently, your vids have gotten more enjoyable once again as a result, thanks for listening to the feedback
Greg is a drama queen but its just a part of his content he pokes people with his unfiltered opinions. Mike is a narcissist and by definition, far closer to a psychopath than Greg is.
greg is not a drama queen. he exposes hypocrisy and delusion of bodybuilding community. if not greg ppl would still treat isratel like a good example of a human being. he is not. he took an easy relatively phD just to have a leverage to take roids and have an argument against haters.
Greg as any NOT coward person will make a response video about the disrespect that was taken in a kind full way at first but now is offensive.
And what makes you able to diagnose ppl? Lets not put labels on ppl we dont know and just enjoy the meaningless drama like everyone else.
Man I said the same; Here thats what I wrote before reading your comment:
Honestly as someone neutral looking in from outside (as a subscriber to both of you guys) I think that Greg is an honestly nice guy, contrary to Mike who comes across as a narcissist. The typical insecurity, power trip, superiority complex and looking down on others that narcissists do is present in him. At least that is my humble opinion on this matter as someone who has no claim in this and does not "nuthug" Greg as Mike likes to say to everybody who doesn't agree/support with him and outright hate/reject Greg and his views. I would be careful if I were Greg, because narcissists go to extreme length in order to get "even" meaning completely destroy others when they feel like they did not get the respect/admiration/submission they deserve or when someone dares to go against them (which can be the slightest thing for them). You can see part of that in those interviews/debates, how he handles himself, how he treats other people and what he says in general. Those crazy mofos are dangerous man, they destroy lives like its nothing, they don't have any qualms about it, no remorse or feelings like empathy in this regard. For them it's fun, they enjoy the sadistic destruction and domination of others. I tell you if there are no laws in place or he feels like he could get away with it, he would tear Greg or anybody who dares to come in his way apart, I mean quite literally. Moral of the story, guys be careful when you deal with those people.
@@Kenny-yl9pc this is very detailed and specified
you're a really good observer.
“Close your eyes. Imagine your dream physique. Now open. You’re not getting it!” this phrase alone has helped and inspired more people than Mike has ever had in his life 😂
🤣
Greg Doucette, keeping it more real than last time.
I’m definitely getting my dream physique
Funny thing is, Socrates never wanted to "win" debates, he wanted to learn the truth and the debate itself was supposed to be a collaborative effort. So Greg, not knowing what the Socratic method is, actually adhered to its soul and principle way more than Mike did. Mike just rapidly hurls buzzwords, some of which he has no knowledge of or authority on to use with any sort of responsibility, to sound smart, and it actually makes him look like an idiot.
So true and eye opening
Yeah, the socratic method used as a method to "win" debates is bad faith. Socratic method only matters if you have genuine curiosity and willing to learn, while also asking hard hitting questions that the claimer may haven't yet considered. A true socratic method wouldn't be a strategy of attack, it would be a dialogue.
@@NamNguyen-zs3md Jesus, you guys really like to huff Gregg's farts, don't you? Mike has changed his mind on lots of things in light of new evidence, lengthened partials being the latest. Gregg on the otherhand pushes unscientific snake oil to his gullible fanbase. So much for "truth".
@@jonathanbenoza8136 Oftentimes, in school, we had to be on the side of a debate that we categorically disagreed with in real life but we had to debate the question as ardently as if we genuinely had that point of view. Sometimes the questions were so philosophical that there really was no side at all that we agreed with but the debate was a way in which one could form a point of view on the subject! I have tried to talk to people about debates not necessarily needing to end with a winner or loser but alas debate bros are rather difficult to reason with, ironically! 🤣
(By the way, we learned about Socrates in Classical Civilisation quite a while after debating lessons, for some peculiar reason. One of the things that stood out to us kids was how people got so annoyed with him precisely for this tendency 😂).
Lol bro you come off biased and full of shit. Greg instagram is more telling of mikes point than his TH-cam, it’s like watching two different people.
i see you in a better light now, you are my favorite fitness influencer mr. greg!
Mike didn't seem to mind being interviewed on coach Greg's channel three years ago while having far less followers. And the funny thing is that he's actually talking about Greg's hypocrisy 😂😂
Greg has benefited way more from Mike than vice versa.
Isn't Greg the one who talks about Mike 24/7? Go check Greg's channel and you'll see how many videos he made about Mike in less than two months, mike said the word sociopath after all the criticizing Greg has done to him, mike generally doesn't care about drama but it's Greg who's sole purpose is to cause problems and drama between fitness influencers
@@ryzeHTGreg doesn’t cause the drama, Greg capitalize off of it
@boocackeedquackhead8454there you have it but people focus on Greg
@@ryzeHTno
20:15 “i wanted to embarrass him intellectually”. Spoken like a true PHD holder way to go mike
Proceeds to approach doucette in public with a maniacal parrot voice that keeps on going longer than anyone would be comfortable with all the while trying to intimidate him with his body language, lol good job
Well Jill Biden is a PHD! My dad was a PHD, he's passed. He thought it was pretentious to have people address him as Doctor.
This intellectual wants to harm dogs his brain rotted from steroid abuse a long time ago. He would lose an arguement with Joe Biden at this point
Except Mike’s not quite as smart as he thinks he is.
Just because you enjoy sitting in class more than someone else does not guarantee you to be smarter. There’s many different ways to learn new knowledge in today’s day and age.
Mikes view of the situation is entirely distorted, his ego won’t let him realize no one’s attacking him
Mike has very specific knowledge, and he fools himself into thinking he can speak definitively on every topic
@@bloozism 👌
besides the countless videos of greg criticizing mike and filled with backhanded insults, not to mention greg was the first one to start attacking mike's training approaches, not the other way around, are you delusional?
@@cenunix mike's training appoaches should be criticized. he's above the criticisim to most brain dead idiots in fitness industry which is a slippery slope when dealing with a narcissist like Mike
@@cenunix Greg never insulted or attacked mikes character in any way shape or form. For someone with a PHD he should know that you automatically lose an argument once you start insulting someone. Not a single one of Greg’s videos does he say “mikes training is dumb and mine is better.” I haven’t even seen him say a single thing about his training, Greg spoke about mikes PED abuse and his Diet since Mike thinks he didn’t get his pro card due to poor training and A bad tan while eating like 3000Cal on a “cut”.
I think Mike has been hiding a lot of self esteem issues and unresolved inner demons.. They come out in his comments a lot... He jokes about himself but it's a coping mechanism...a lot of shit really bothers him and it's probably what motivated him to be whatever he's become. The next milestone was the bodybuilding pro card and he FAILED, maybe it's the first time in a while he felt the sting of defeat. He absolutely went balls out and it wasn't good enough. He knows he can't do it and I think it crushed him. I really think he's fucked up over it.
Mike's issue is that he's allowed pride to limit his ability to take criticism.
That’s apart of the human condition brother.
Greg has allowed money to limit his ability to create quality content and instead made him focus only on drama about other youtubers to get cheap clicks.
@MrMap-z3e u mean people that use alot of PEDs that influence them to become more insecure and aggressive
You’re correct. He’s so high on his phd he’s become an intellectual authoritarian. He truly is a petty-insecure man.
How I see him is he always listens to reply not to take on criticism.
meathead doing a mock greg voice to his face for several sentences was the biggest clue as to who has sociopathic tendencies
When I saw that real time I was really taken back. Like damn, you are doing this offensive impersonation to the man's face. Meeting someone for the first time and doing that is really disrespectful no matter who you or they are.
Not to mention he was the one who didn’t like Greg but he still puts a camera to his face for the views instead of having a normal conversation, but when Greg criticizes him constructively on YT he’s “talking shit”
Mike's jokes are the clearest example of his disturbed (AAS affected) mind. He also craves constant validation. That's why he's so pretentious on camera.
A dude that makes fun of another man's voice is not okay with himself, that kind of man is VERY small. Says A LOT.
That was cringy to watch.
That really bothered me I get that he was trying to be funny but it came off as trying to embarrass Greg that’s not cool 🤦♂️
@@Ronin-kk4btsame
It was low key bullying. If anything it was evidence that Mike is the one with psychological problems. I got plenty of issues with Greg but I’d be kind to him one on one and never do anything like that.
He did it in such a mean bullying way. Really painful to watch.
What I like about your channel is that you’re not a hater Greg. I think we can see real honesty in your video. You’re successful and people are jealous, that’s part of the game 👍
I honestly think there’s no point reasoning with Mike because his already built up this image of him being right and Greg being the villain so he won’t listen regardless
Mike is absolutely in a dark place right now. I don't think it's right that he's talking all this crap, but he is definitely not in his right state of mind.
let him cook, it's good for people to be honest, especially in this fake content creator world.
"Dr." Mike isn't even talking the truth.
On the other hand Greg is.
@@yahoo642 I enjoy both of them and have learned a great deal from their channels, but I think the problem is that when influencers get caught in that weird bubble of fame, they just magnify the worst things about each other.
An adult
"Mike... there is no 'method.' I haven't studied psychological warfare"
The clips of Mike ranting spliced in with Greg eating and responding between bites unbothered. Lmfao this Greg guy is good
The fact that Greg considers asking people questions about their beliefs "psychological warfare" just says everything
He's so unbothered that he has to make 20 callout videos about everyone he ever meets and all his friends leave him because of this behaviour
@@LikeArsonobvious exaggeration
@@LikeArson I think you are misunderstanding his statement of "not having studied psychological warfare". He is referring to Mikes believe that Greg did resort to "psychological tricks" in order to come across in better light than Mike. Greg calling it "psychological warfare" is just a funny and exaggerated way to roast the belief Mike holds.
@@Kenny-yl9pcit’s called a strawman
Dang, that's kinda sad, I thought that in-person interaction was just mike having fun, and was in good fun. Didn't realize how aggro he's been toward you.
Mike hates Greg? Hmm there’s a lot of people mike doesn’t like, with all the gear he’s still running- along with his sensitivity to negative emotion, he’s not exactly going to see the silver lining in a situation
Mike being compared to The Thing😂 I can't unsee it!
I can't unsee it too, I started laughing when I heard it
The steroids have destroyed mikes brain. Even he admits that.
It wasn't much to begin with. Being a doctor in his field is a joke and probably the easiest doctorate to get.
both are middle aged dudes yapping online
And for what ?!
He doesn't have what it takes to be an IFBB pro , even with all the things he's taking .
It's just not worth it , nothing is more important than ones health .
You've clearly never studied that field if you think that@@MrSinister718
Pretty sure he mentally got lost the subject of Coach Greg after he digressed on the 1st question and the interviewer had to go back and remind him several minutes later. Hence the 2 sections of the video on Coach Greg.
I used to watch Mike but got really creeped out by his constant sexual comments and self deprecating humor.
Same. It's why I unsubbed from RP. He's pandering to a young audience, definitely, but also just creepy AF. Making comments like that in his Brad Schoenfeld videos was super awkward.
NGL I love his humour 😂 but I've been watching him for years, I get newer viewers might find his humour a bit distasteful.
I love mikes humor.
There’s nothing wrong with being comfortable knowing you’re straight and making silly jokes about the boys. If it makes you uncomfortable you either have an extremely vanilla sense of humor or are having some of these thoughts for real and don’t like it. Live a little and realize they are JUST JOKES.
I second that
the funny thing is that so many people dislike Greg at this point, that people online and even influencers got accustomed to bashing him just to get quick praise and admiration. it’s not fair. and that single real life interaction between Mike and Greg was blood boiling to watch
Greg brought it on himself when he kept talking shit and inserting his nose in other people's business like Stephanie Buttermore ... Look at how he approached her situation and how Paul Reveilla did.
Calling people obese and being mean about it, why does he do that? I don't know
Maybe because Greg is a con man who used steroids in natural competitions and sells placebo sugar pills for a living
I watched Mikes video at the Olympia where he was going around and interviewing people and it was a total cringe fest
@@mohamadsorya6718 I'd rather watch Greg and say it as it is. He's analyzing from a fitness and medically classified point of view and there is nothing wrong with that to inform the masses of potential health issues. Mean is subjective, I had no problem on how he presented the information and yes there is some entertainment value in his videos. TH-cam has a fair use policy which means yes, other people can critique your videos.
@@mohamadsorya6718 if he didn't poke his nose, you'd have people constantly glazing people like Togi. When you don't call out bs then you get stuff like the Fat Acceptance movement that believe they are obese because of genetics and it has almost nothing to do with food.
Mike is one of those "doctors" that needs to make sure everyone knows he's a "doctor"
I love how he always calls Jared a doctor also, because Jared also has a phd, but jared never says it himself, Mike does and jared just stays silent and awkward every time lol.
he's also a competitive bjj athlete, you know. well, if you listen to him. personally, don't think of him neither as competitive, nor as an athlete
Well, I once bragged about breathing. 🤔
He has to or else how would anyone know he's a better person than they are?
because he knows people wont check what his actual phd dissertation was about
Greg Admitting defeat in terms of overall success really puts Mike into a weird limelight. In the end who cares about IFBB pro if you are already at the top 1% of fitness influencers. Why keep putting your body through so much stress, in the process of destroying your brain, just so you can say I told you so.
Its cause he really wants that ifbp pro card and Greg has one and Greg is just better at getting lean also has a better physique despite just being on TRT
If Mike has the best way to train based on science why are literally none of the top 10 open bodybuilders doing it?
yeah, I definitely think him not being able to prove his "science based" system actually produces the results that "dumb Greg" gets is destroying his ego.
@@dash4800 I mean that's not evidence to the contrary. Much of Mike's information is not saying what works or doesn't work but what is more optimal. You'd be foolish to say that much of the advice that Mike gives isn't taken into account by both Greg and top bodybuilders it just goes over the head of most people who are new to lifting.
@@dash4800Tell me you don't know what science is without telling me.
Dr Mike is a really insecure dude. Feels like he’s going thru an episode of some kind tho. Tbh hope he’s okay
Love how mike talks about a scientific debate and 2 seconds later says that he wants to embarrass greg and f* him. Last time i had a debate unsulting and embarrassing other people wasnt part of it. But who knows what a PHD in SPORT teaches you...
I agree
It's personal at this point. What I've noticed is the fitness industry, many influencers appear to have a fragile ego.
@@dragonsieu76i mean most of them literally base all their self worth on how big their muscles are lmao. Take the “if you’re under 200lbs youre victim weight” trend for example.
yeah because greg was the one already making videos before the debate talking shit? if you're gonna leave a comment listen to the actual video, even greg mentions that. wtf are you talking about?
@@cenunix Greg was not one mentioning scientific debate, Mike was
I think Mike Israetel is having a low self confidence episode. It seems like all the bravado is a way of trying to convince himself he’s tough. He has it all but he seems very uncomfortable in his own skin.
@@paragon1017 mentally
@@paragon1017 Definitely meant mentally. Nobody is impressed with tough guys. At a certain point of physical toughness it's not impressive.
Oh wow someone is capable of physical violence, that's the least impressive brag you could make. Good job juicehead nobody wants to be in your vicinity. I'm more impressed if someone is strong and doesn't act like a tough guy. If you're jacked as f and super kind to almost everyone then you're the man.
Yup! Like all academics (especially when you come from a line of genetics where your government crushes you if you disagree with them… Russia)
@@paragon1017 cant believe this question was asked
He has super low self esteem and is really insecure. You can tell by the little self deprecating jokes he makes about himself. Also some of his philosophies like always assuming hes wrong in a social interaction.
Greg’s advice is advice a personal trainer would know but intentionally not frame it the same way because you’d realize you can actually train yourself after a while.
Mikes advice is framed in a way personal trainer would frame it to make you feel like you can’t workout without them lol
And the funny thing is that Greg has the better results
I find it hilarious that Mike assumes things like "pump being a proxy for hypertrophy" even though the data doesn't support it. Hypertrophy isn't rocket science and Mike is a hypocrite for making shit up and going against what he preaches. Mike's the typical case of deluding himself to think he's smarter than he actually is.
THANK YOU.
For making his phd his main branding, he is putting out so much information that is not science based at all.
"pump being a proxy for hypertrophy" Do you mean Mike has said that getting a pump is equal to hypertrophy? I've seen alot of his videos about what causes hypertrophy but I've never heard him explicitly say "if you get a pump you will grow". However I do remember him saying something along the lines of "getting a pump is a good indicator that your targeted muscle is actually getting a good stimulus, thus causing hypertrophy". I doubt that mike has said "yeah bro just grab the 10lbs dumbbells and do 100reps until you feel a pump".. I haven't watched the video yet. does Greg bring that up with a quote from mike or are you just making stuff up?
In other words; for example if you only feel your biceps burning from doing a lat pulldown. maybe you should either switch exercise or see about your form.and yes i know that feeling no tension in your muscle does not automatically mean you're not working said muscle, but once again it would be a good indicator.
😂 If pump were a proxy for hypertrophy, then those of us who play tennis & do ballet would have calves the size of basketballs
It's called Dunning-Kruger effect and he has it in regards to his physique in bodybuilding. His perception of himself is vastly overestimated. Greg was right about the drugs screwing his mind up.
@@polypom8453his app uses pump as a metric to suggest a progression. What does that tell you?
Coach Greg is a master of psychology. He knows how to get under peoples skin, all while being honest, transparent and chock full of receipts!
Yeah I was thinking the same exact thing. He's definitely learned over time that a calm reaction to others will usually piss them off even more lol. Especially in this case where Mike has been talking about his aggressive thinking. Greg taking advantage of Mikes emotions harder than last time. 😂
Exactly.. it PISSES people off. hahahhaa! it's so funny to watch
i read the receipts ss recipes at first glance lol a classic cookbook moment
I watch both channels, but would rather hang out with Coach Greg.
Definitely Greg for sure
Ew
mike has always come across arrogant and with a chip on his shoulder.. very hard to sit through his videos..not to mention his cringy not so funny "jokes".. very put offish imo..🤷🏿♂️
Sometimes it feels weird when you're just being honest, decent and authentic and someone hates your guts. I understand that feeling. Sometimes it stems from jealousy or insecurity, maybe mike is jealous that you have a pro card and he doesn't. Ignore the hate and keep doing and what you're doing.
@@SkibidiLeakz yea so weird, especially given the video Greg made imitating and making fun of Mike
Cynicism too, and projecting that cynicism unto others. The mindset that no one can be trusted with what they say.
You know why America necessarily do not lie about their strategies in war? They are banking on the cynicism of their opponent to think they are making the opposite move. And I just made this up, cause I'm not a cynicism.. I'm a sicmisimcismmininism
It doesn’t matter, the Rock knows “It Doesn’t Matter” , priceless. Great video.
if ya smell
Let’s be real here.. both Greg and Mike are in this together, to get more clicks, views, etc. for money. Anyone who thinks these ‘debates’ are legitimate do not understand the true motivation and purpose behind their channels. It’s all a facade and a way to stay relevant.
@@ot_decathlete398 well this is partially true. But they didn't make a video call agreeing on this, they just know that's what it's for in the back of their minds. However Gregg maintains a more genuine image in the process.
I've heard Mike talk about his jiu jitsu training in the past and how his motivation was to beat up his childhood/high school bullies. It would seem that he sees Greg as one of the bullies in his life and his child-like, roided up rage is getting the best of him. Every time Greg gives valid criticism, as in the case of his IFBB tryout, all he hears in his head is "take THAT you short J*w" and he can't help it but seethe with rage. Guy seriously needs some help.
I didn’t know Mike was Jewish lol
@@SirSnipingtoni think his surname should have given somewhat of an inkling, i didn't know for sure either until looking it up though
Imagine a round table with all the gurus out there, discussing fitness and bodybuilding... You would need a lot of popcorn for that, but it would make a hell of an episode!
Ima keep it a stack. Your kind of a drama queen Greg. But it's entertaining so it's okay for me.
The thumbnails literally just make this worse. It's very clear he's a drama queen.
i don’t think anyone disagrees
@@andrewable2634he designs the thumbnails specifically to get engagement
hes totally a drama queen. but its great
@LoneWolf14740 doesn't matter if it's engagement or not, he willingly put this thumbnail out to stir people's emotions and cause drama.
Mike Israetel is the same guy who tells you he “sees red in a fight”. He’s a paper cowboy. True tough guys let it be unsaid, they don’t try to create an image like he does. He thinks if you throw some scientific words together dumb people will think you’re smart. He is very insecure. Needs the world to know how tough and smart he is. Frankly he is neither.
Say what you want about Mike Israetel but he knows his stuff.. “throw some scientific words together” lol those scientific words have meaning. I agree he’s silly and probably insecure but that doesn’t make him dumb, he has a PhD for a reason he didn’t get it from a cereal box lmao
Now youre the one spewing shit, he's a brown belt in jiu-jitsu
Very well said, I appreciate this comment.
Greg the type of guy to write a 2000 word report on someone just because they said his cookbook is overpriced
@@lukasp5892 Nah the original comment is actually perfectly spot on it describes Mike both accurately and fairly.
I don’t know Greg, but a friend of mine does, and I know Greg is generous with his time and energy. Mike calls himself Doctor and reads a weekly cia script on his other “Mike knows best” channel or whatever he calls it. My two cents haha
Although this is true of most bodybuilders, Mike looks like he has a very hard time with his inferiority complex. Constantly trying to prove himself, which is a good thing and a bad thing.
@jaleesa00so do I and I don’t call myself Dr. Maybe it’s a cultural/US thing?
@jaleesa00 I don't think it's a marketing thing, or shall I say it's not exclusively, its more about his ego, a very fragile one at that, hence the strong insecurities and extreme reactions towards anything and anybody who he perceives as "disrespectful". He is a classical narcissist in my humble opinion...
@jaleesa00 yeah but isn't it lame if you arent a Md? never heard anyone outside US calling themselves doctors when they are phds
@@ezforsaken Most people in the US don't do it either. That's how you know if someone is a douche or their parents paid for their PHD. What a lot of people don't understand is that the difference between a PHD and a masters isn't really the learning, it's the research. The research Mike did to get his PHD was not exactly the best. Not to mention the college he got his degree from was also not even close to the best. Mike is one of those people who is good at stringing words together, and he does know what he's talking about, and he is very passionate. You could even call him an expert, but the problem is that he is not right as much as most people think, he is certainly not right as much as he thinks. But he always says things confidently, even if he shouldn't. Greg only says things confidently if they're from experience (or it makes him money).
Mike comes across as an inauthentic manbaby Jocko Willink wannabe. Except Jocko's a fucking badass
Mike seems like one of those guys who thinks he’s right about everything because he has the degree. I’ve seen a video where he says posture has nothing to do with your muscles being too tight in one area. Really hard to take him seriously after hearing that. You would think a doctor would know about things like pinched nerves just to name one.
Hes a sports science phd not a damn MD. Hes no smarter than an undergrad with a load of cash.
uhmm yeah? he said "tight muscles" but you're going off-topic here and starts talking about pinched nerves. tight muscles are not the same as a pinched nerve so why do you try to shit talk him when you're literally wrong with your comparison?
@@polypom8453 🤦♂️ first of all “tight muscles” is not an exact quote. What he actually said was even dumber. Go checkout his mark whalberg video. Second, I’m not sure what you thinks holds muscles in place…. But it’s your nerves
There a few evidence based PhD in fitness who display the same delude behavior mike displays.
What about eating bowls of Cheerios for his nutrition 😔
You don’t deserve the hate man
Kinda does tho. Makes multiple videos prodding him, name calling, and then expects everyone to like him? Gregg should grow up
Why do all his friends ditch him then?
@@bigmanbarry4085you can't even pinpoint an instance where greg calls him names
@@sleeper9638like who?
@@bigmanbarry4085 prodding and name calling yeah no sorry that’s not true. If you said he’s criticized him then yes that’s definitely true.
Coach Greg is a true gem. The most pure hearted person I have seen in my life. It's important to notice the fact that Greg never sugarcoated, he says what needs to be said. He could have easily destroyed Mike's ego and his psychological state by saying just one thing " I'm an IFBB pro and you're not Mike". This would be enough to destroy Mike's ego, but he didn't put him down, he didn't lowball, never poked him saying that I'm a pro and you're not. He's truly a gem. End of debate.
Sad how this isn’t the norm. Ridiculous how many grown men resort to personal attacks. Respect to Greg for being humble
"Coach Greg is a true gem. The most pure hearted person I have seen in my life. "
Greg : "Buy me Turkesterone!" Also here is yet another drama video about some youtuber!
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@@Ricky-oc4xclooks like we found dr mikes burner
Have you seen the video where he called his viewers all “morons”? Please tell me if you are a supporter of Greg so I know if you like being called a “moron”!
I enjoy watching Coach Greg and Dr Mike. Both have something that we can learn from.
I’ve watched Greg for a long time now and I think he is genuinely a good person. I’ve watched mike and you can tell there is an underlying tone of “I’m better than all of you” in his vids
mike's whole twist on this conversation was, 'who cares if the guy is nice if he is wrong'; well it does, because we are here to learn and to entertain ourselves on youtube and I'd rather invest my time watching some high pitched former bodybuilder who gets most things but doesn't know the science, than a very angry and narcissistic bald dude with a phd.
The worst part is Greg is correct. If Mike wants to throw out titles for authority sake. Who has an IFBB pro card and coached multiple people to one and who doesn't? Literally just the fact that Greg has one shows he knows more than Mike.
He swears so much for no reason, so off putting
The camera angle he uses is very telling. He wants you to know you're below him while he talks down to you like a child.
@@philosophysique5419 I used to think he was my height, over 6 foot, I couldn’t believe it when it turned out he was what, like 5’5
Ppl who want to embarrass others intellectually are truly insufferable, and usually not nearly as intellectual as they feign to be
Yeah, smartest person in the room syndrome, borderline narcissistic behavior. Most intelligent people want to converse with others, listen and learn more to expand their knowledge, not brow beat somebody else with their own knowledge.
@@TeKnoVKNG23 bingo. I, too, have a PhD, and if i ever start thinking or acting this way, my wife would slap me back into reality (and I’d deserve it)
Couldn’t have said it better my man
"I wanted to embarrass him intellectually."
Yeah, because it's the only way he can feel superior, the truth is he'd swap his Phd for Gregs achievements in bodybuilding in a heartbeat.
Hes not even that brilliant intellectually. He just mixes with a crowd that seem to be too impressed by a Phd. I find him to come off as really insecure. And that fake Greg voice he was doing, for way too long?? That was excruciating and all the awkwardness I felt was for him. He should be embarrasssed he did that.
@littleboots9800 Do we even know what his phd in exercise science is
Its in sports physiology.
This is why whenever he is talking about training, giving examples or comparisons to validity of certain training types he talks a lot about prioritisation specificity and athletes.
His dissertation was looking at correlations for certain performance metrics and success. Its quite interesting and had some fairly obvious conclusions, but there was a limit on data for it before so its good for the clarification.
I am in sports science and the last time I heard him speak it was about rate of force development, conjugate programming and cross sectional muscle variability.
Dr Mike was one of the smartest guys on TH-cam in terms of YT Fitness back in 2015. He was just "undiscovered". He created the volume landmarks and was one of the biggest proponents of explaining effective sets, RIR and giving people realistic examples of how many sets per muscle group they should be doing. Revolutionary at the time when there wasn't any information out there backed by science supported by guys who actually lifted & lifted hard. If you've only discovered Mike a year or two ago then you don't know the half of what he's done for people & how he's changed the industry, people nowadays literally parrot things he's said for years and it's such common knowledge now people never knew a lot of it started with him.
@blairmonkman7507 yeah the mike slander is out of control bunch of Greg idiots in these comments
Uneducated opinion from a Greg simp.
Fan of RP and Mike’s content, but I’m glad I watched this. You do seem authentic Greg. Cheers mate and keep up the good work.
Is Mike still laughing at bullying Greg by impersonating him in a bullying manner to his face? Still funny, Mike?
Funny how PHD Mike is always talking about how lost in the sauce he is, but also he is always right……. he definitely suffers from narcissistic personality disorder.
He could just be lost in the sauce, I've seen a few guys develop several narcissistic traits and extreme paranoia on gear.
@@megyskermikenah, mike has always seem to be covertly narcissistic.
Thanks for the diagnosis Doc, 👀
@@wafercrackerjack880he has said he is neurodivergent possibly with the tism, this makes the most sense to me with his high ability to focus and how black and white he views the world. This absolutism definitely is difficult to get along with socially other people unless you surround yourself with only those that agree or are superior to. Social and emotional can be very challenging for those with high intelligence and tism because they have difficulty recognizing the need for improving their social skills 😢 think of Sheldon from the sitcom.
@@carriepickett2687 is he diagnosed as neurodivergent, or is it only his opinion? Because he doesn't look like one.
Mike has this skill to make his opinion sound like facts, and people not well verse in differentiating this are easily fooled by his verbosity.
Mike needs help. For real. It seems like the steroids are making him really angry
He needs rehab and therapy
@@Ronin-kk4bt 🤡
@@Ronin-kk4bt honestly nobody likes to admit i but shrinks are largely a scam and a waste of money
@@Ronin-kk4bt at least to talk to someone
As someone who’s watched you for several years now. I find it kind of badass that you have remained so transparent and if anything have gotten more transparent.
These others youtubers are so flabbergasted when someone doesn’t want to play the phone game. Or when someone doesn’t have a shadow they’re trying to hide behind.
Mike seems to only be smart in connection with training. You can think of Greg whatever but to talk about him like mike does is very weird and concerning...Everyone who saw more than one video from greg knows that he is a reasonable guy; he makes some blunt advertisement and does a certain amount of clickbait for sure but its kinda funny at this point.
Coach Greg being calmer than last time
Greg funnier than last time 😂😂
Team greg
If you have no sense of humour
Wow, I used to rate Dr Mike, but I just lost all respect for him after seeing that clip from the Olympia. WTF was he thinking? It was such a petty, mean spirited, childish thing to do. Meanwhile, coach Greg’s taking the high road was such a classy move. It perfectly highlighted how mean and just plain weird Mike was acting.
How obsessed does someone have to be to chase a stranger to a competition, corner them, grab and continuously clutch their hand while aggressively mocking them in a childish way - while filming them, so you can show it off to the world? Mike actually looked unhinged there, as if he’d been possessed by the ghost of a terminally insecure 9-year-old. Seriously, who other than a child would think that type of schoolyard bullying is anything but a total loser move? I felt embarrassed for Mike just watching it.
Maybe the steroids cooked his brain that cycle, and it was a twisted roid-rage moment. I can’t think why else a grown man would have a tantrum like that in public, over a stranger saying words - especially words that were largely constructive criticism.
In any case, Greg’s critique of Mike clearly hit home. That’s what makes it so funny. Mike exposed himself. He clearly thought what Greg said was the truth - otherwise he’d have just debunked it or laughed it off, instead of having this bizarre meltdown.
Finally, I’m tired of Mike claiming he’s intellectually superior to everyone. According to him, anyone who doesn’t take his side is just too stupid to ‘understand the science’. It can’t be that Mike’s actually in the wrong, or that other people might have well-thought out, well informed opinions that just aren’t the same as his. His whole intellectual superiority routine just seems like a massive cope, and makes him look like an insecure, over-sensitive child who lacks perspective.
Yes. But you didn’t have to write a book about it lol
Honestly Greg sounds very reasonable whereas Mike just seems very unreasonable
You are not genetically blessed when it comes to intelligence. Greg has been a liar his whole career. He failed drug tests and now sells placebo sugar pills for a living.
Exactly
Greg and his team are masters of the rebuttal and people don't seem to understand how smart Greg is.
@@andrewzach1921 Sure, they are just masters of rebuttals. It is not that Mike is unreasonable at all.
that's a persuasive debate tactic.
The fact that Mike really wants to prove he won the debate, insulted Greg a lot in person like a bully, now called him a bunch of names... Plus, Greg is in way better shape
@@wofmanpt18 lol have you not been paying attention to what a childish prick Greg has been with the 50 vids he’s done on Mike?
I have never seen that debate but the clips played really make Mike seem like the /r/iamverysmart of the fitness world. Like, sure, scientifically he probably won, but to improve the fitness of the average joe, Greg probably won.
Dear Greg, please ignore Mike. It is very obvious that he is jealous of you. He also tries to appear to be really intelligent when he isn’t. Don’t like him! He is just a bully!
He is intelligent, just has roid rage and is really jealous.
You can be highly educated yet you can be stupid
That's why Greg keeps making videos on Mike when Mike wasn't even responding to it until recently
For sure. As a PhD that doesn’t bragg about it, i can see “fake intelligence” very easily, and Mike is a sad example of that.
I like both of you when you stick to what you are good at.
The thing that has always put me off, is that a guy that went to Temple University feels the need to mention he has a PhD, and adresses himself by "Dr. Mike" every chance he has, whereas Ivy league PhDs and Oxbridge ones, just like to introduce themselves by their first and last name.
Mike, it isn't very that hard to get into a Sports Science PhD program, especially at a shitty college. Even the 7th best guy on my high school class got into a PhD program...
Correct. You call yourself ‘first name last name PhD’ you don’t call yourself ‘dr first name last name’ unless you’re a medical doctor. Very strange cat.
@@Scott-bh2qb nope, they are also called Dr.
@@Scott-bh2qb medical doctors are called doctors out of respect when in reality people with phD's are the ones who are supposed to be called doctors
@@Naruto166666 Officially you get your doctorate, but you don't call yourself that. Source: me who has a doctorate.
Just because you have a phd doesn’t mean you are intelligent. It just means that you had the time and money to dedicate to school to get the phd. Education and intelligence are not synonymous.
My respecr for coach Greg just increased so much. Thanks for pointing out Mike's hypocrisy!
It’s the cocktails of enhancement mixture talking..he said it himself, he’s angry and wanting to rip people apart. He made fun of Greg straight out the gate the first time he met him. Now he’s the victim! Come on Mike!
You both have such great information and influence- and I think it’s a shame Ego has to get in the way of your real goals on TH-cam. (Helping People With Their Health)
Mike has cornered himself on this.
Greg makes a good point about people not knowing their bodies during exercise. As a trainer I know full well some people don’t have that mind/muscle relationship to know anything that’s going on or even how to engage the muscles being worked in an efficient way. Isrratel’s advice was good, but mainly if you have that mind/muscle connection developed already
There are people who can go on an isolation style machine and they still have a hard time finding the engagement on that muscle .
Experienced lifters can attain that same muscle engagement while doing nothing @ all in a chair.
Good luck telling the inexperienced person to go off the advice istratel gave
yep, bodybuilders been saying it all these decades, its about "the feel", what works best for you. However, nerds are convinced that regional hypertrophy doesnt exist, and that shape is just all about genetics. Fallacious, they simply do not mindfully sculp their bodies.
Dr Mike has lost the plot... He's away with the fairies.
I like Greg now, not at first, but he's definately grown on me.