I've observed a trend in gaming where companies gradually raise prices until they encounter public pushback, using that reaction to identify their optimal price point.
Thats large scale business my friend, constantly judging the reaction of your customers. Keeping your finger on the pulse of the consumers is the best way to keep a business running.
It's wild the amount of players that think they own anything in a live service game, literally anything can be removed at a moments notice. Everything is just rented and a player owns nothing.
90% of anything we ever purchase outside of games will be replaced, essentially the same thing as cosmetics disappearing when game shuts down, you won't have the same car 10 years later, you won't have the same clothes 10 years later, you won't have the same shoes, curtains, vehicle, food, desk, computer, tires, tv, couch, chairs, desk, table, literally everything is designed to be replaced including games and things within a game. everything is a waste of money, find what you enjoy and waste it on that, cause most things you purchase are far more expensive and far less enjoyable.
@@brianpancotto8829not even close to being the same thing. A vehicle is an asset. You Need food to live. Purchasing a bed is good for your health and comfort. Videogame skins is purely cosmetic.
We don't own it but they can't just remove anything they please at will... without consequence. For example, if they were to remove an heirloom and it vanishes for everyone that has it, the backlash would be huge to the point where gamers leave even faster than they already are.
@@swiftrealmdoesnt that game have a massive shady gambling issue due to the exploitatable values added to their cosmetics? (gen question btw not trying to sound dickish)
I spent close if not over $1000 on Apex before I stopped buying any and all cosmetics in every game... its just not worth it nowadays. Coming to terms with that I'll lose everything I ever spent money on has woke me up
The Finals does their cosmetics well, can buy individual items of a bundle instead of the whole thing. Also having pretty quality skins for cheap instead of $150 is quite nice. Will it last? Maybe not but I’m glad to give some money to Embark.
I love these types of videos. merchant has such a good way of putting all these topics that are hard for a lot of people to stomach. who else wants to see a gaming merchant podcast?
A few years ago I bought a skin I loved in MW Warzone. I don’t regret the purchase, but I remember realizing quickly that “I won’t have this skin if they ever make another Warzone or COD” And I have not bought another skin since. I think the majority of people will have this realization and hopefully people start saving their money for stuff they can actually own
Yep exactly why I don’t wanna buy no more skins in bo6. Right now the only game worth buying skins from is Fortnite . Epic games actually care about the fan base and actually care about their game.
This is the equivalent to giving your coins towards Arcade Machines in the 90s. They take your money for your entertainment. There's no physical value in spending more money, more like emotional value.
Already happened to my brother. His account was merged from PSN to PC on Apex. He randomly got bloodhound's heirloom in an apex pack a couple years ago, but when the merge happened, it deleted his heirloom and when he tried to talk to customer support, they told him it showed on their end that he never had an heirloom. This was when he stopped playing for a bit and wanted to come back to try out the new season.
We are on the verge of a new "fortnite" apex is just keeping us busy til it comes. Marvel Rivals shows that the gaming community is just waiting for something new to take their time.
And this is why in 4,000 hours of Apex I'm yet to spend any money on it 😂 If the cosmetics in Apex were cheaper and they upgraded the servers from 20 tick, I'd actually support them with a little bit of money
Same. I did buy one battle pass just to support them, but no skins or cosmetics. Skins have no value to me. I did buy some actual physical merchandise from their store. But EA could go bankrupt, and I'd still be able to wear that t-shirt and sip coffee from that mug whilst remembering the "good old days".
@@cubbian i thought that at first but then maturity took over and i realized that it's a childish and pointless thing to say. It's a free game and you're not forced to buy anything. Like i said in my previous comment not everyone cares about cosmetics and can find enjoyment in gameplay alone, so knocking someone for it is very immature.
@@shalindelta7 flexing that you haven't spent a dime on something you spent thousands of hours on is just cheap. Maybe if you're a kid with no job, but as an adult, that's a sad thing to flex.
We can only blame ourselves. If we didn't buy the skin and cosmetics, they wouldn't waste time putting them out. We can't blame devs or anyone else. They don't take the money out of our wallets by force. We willingly give it to them, and in turn, they keep pumping out content. Again, our fault gaming has come to this.
I grew up when DLCs first started popping up in games. I remember when people were fighting the idea of paying more after buying a game. It's the sad truth that microtransactions won that war and that the new generation of gamers don't even care about them and just take it as a given in games nowadays. The majority of people that really care are the ones that played games before microtransaction practices. If it's not damaging to your financial situation, I personally don't really see how it's any different than buying an IRL item that holds no value other than your interest in it. I don't need to physically hold something to get enjoyment out of it and when the game EOSs in the end, I've probably already moved on anyway
This is the exact reason I quit spending money on apex legends, the game is dieing and as the player base drops out the closer and closer it comes to EA sunsetting the game just like what happen to mobile. It's not worth anything sinking anymore money in to cosmetics just to lose them and EA not caring and/or laughing to the bank, I show the exact same apathy when it come to spending on the game.
I had a similar belief when it came to their "Black Friday/ Christmas" sales (which really aren't sales). I couldn't justify spending money within a game that is practically driving itself into the ground.
My mentality is that, if I've had a good time and the investment was worth it to me, if I ultimately don't get to utilize those cosmetics until the end of time, that's fine. Because the investment was more than just skins to me, it was time with people enjoying the same game. I see it this way because I used to play League of Legends with friends, and of course eventually I quit as the game is struggling to keep interesting content and the game is overall a toxic bore. And yet I spent money on that game, should I see it as a waste because I don't play anymore? I don't think so.
@@douchopotamus3755 Of course. But that won't stop me from at least spending some money if I truly enjoy a game. And I'll have no regrets doing so. That is my point.
For me I like to buy the cosmetics when I reasonably have the money to spend if I feel like doing so, my mentality on it is that I obviously don't NEED to have the skin but I could if I wanted to. I mainly by skins when there's a huge sale so even then I'm still saving more then the game itself is asking for.
IM one of the few amongst my friends that hardly ever purchase skins or items for the in game stores, no matter tha game. My freinds think im the odd one because im so frugal. I used to chain BPs back to back, but eventually stopped playing some games as often and now i get what i can get for free
In Marvel Rivals you can at least justify it since it's a third person shooter, and they also give you a bunch of extra stuff. Apex has no excuse though.
You can justify it in fortnite cause either you have stw so you get free vindertech bucks every day, or get the normal bp once. Theirs also the crew for the more well off peeps
Are we surprised? It's a good game, but essentially the publisher is there to make money and this will always happen in every single live service game.
Never buy online only games' cosmetics. If you HAVE TO due to poor impulse control, set a hard limit of $60. NEVER buy skins for your character in a first person title. You can rarely if ever see the skin.
The whole point of buying skins in an FPS is so *other* people see the skin, namely the people you kill. If you do a finisher in Apex, it's win-win because you grief your opponent, they see your skin and you see it too.
I think the only solution to free to play life service is making it subscription base service instead of that dumb battle pass on free to play make it so that it’s a subscription if the service closes down well you lose the subcription an access to the content you still loose but at least it makes sense and every one would get access to every thing
It's why I stopped spending really and stopped buying games digitally. If the account gets banned you lose all the games. Servers go down you lose all that as well. I want my money/ investment to be protected now
i have played a few years ago a game called "Brickforce" its was a Shooter which was like Mincecraft and Counterstrike in one, With the option to Build your own maps. It was very easy to understand and you coud build destrucibale maps to change the map while playing it. But it had his flaws. Equipment and weaposn coud be bought via ingame currency and you coud rent items for time if you hadnt enough money. Some weapons coud be bought forever but some not. If you wanted them too you needed to spend money. And there where event weapons which where super strong but if you wanted them you needed to spend money or hope for luck in the gambling part to get these for free for a few days. I think i spend arround 1200 bucks on this game but then it was shut down in 2016. all gone now but i still have some screenshots on my harddrive :3
I believe that a Supercell game shut down at one time and credit was transferred to another title. Micro transactions are evil in the first place but we should OWN these items and NOT be rented them.
Do Not Buy anything From the Apex Merch Shop!!! No Refunds are accepted! I recently got a sweater from the store as a gift for Xmas . When I realized I had received the same sweater for Xmas the yr before. So the person who purchased tried to get a refund. They were denied. So I thought ok maybe I can exchange it for another item on there site . Was also denied. Apex is so down bad they won’t even allow refunds on merchandise. So know I’m stuck with two of the same item. At this point I’m truly done with Apex or anything they have to offer 🤬
this has happened to me with hyperscape. now im still deciding on not buying skins for games any more its not worth it, games die they dont even last 8 years they just die
dude, ive been playing some mmorpg games in the past, i spent A LOT to get skins and costum for my character. after the game closed their service, there also my money gone
I spent $10 on season 1 battle pass and got all the items from season 1-10 plus some extras here and there. It baffles me when people will drop $100 after $100 of dollars on these games. I’m willing to lose $10.
As someone who's been part of the mobile gaming community for over 7 years, I noticed something many overlook: the mobile community has different expectations compared to the console crowd. When EA mishandled things back then, it left a bad taste in our mouths. For many of us, including myself, it was enough to swear off their games entirely. I haven't touched an EA title since, and I don't plan to in the future.
I never take mobile gaming seriously enough to buy cosmetics, but even in PC games I almost never spend money on skins, battle passes etc, it's just the way I am. I only care about my performance
Merchant, regurgitating lines about “it supports developers” when we’ve literally seen time and time again, that no, with these big AAA live services especially, it doesn’t, and primarily these microtransactions funds go to the executive class. Stop giving these companies excuses man. Same honestly with essentially saying it’s the “players fault and their responsibility” and not the executives for making psychologically manipulative monetization tactics. That’s something people rarely discuss when talking about how “devs are forced to do mtx in these games”, no one’s forcing them to make the mtx so goddamn predatory, and purposely designed to target certain demographics more than others. We have years of evidence that shows these mtx are often a result of executive class greed more than actual developers “needing” them to support their games, to the point they’ll straight up fight legal action and lie about them in court (which EA did btw) It’s nice to see you acknowledge the reality that these cosmetics are things that will go away eventually and lose their worth/value, but this need to try and absolve corporations of accountability for the state of the industry with regards to the excessive monetization issue really undermines your point imo
It does support the developers. This is just a fact. More sales means more money means execs will likely keep the game running. If no one/not enough people buy microtransactions, the game shuts down and the employees most likely get laid off.
@@swiftrealmwe literally have had devs blatantly admit that a large majority of the sales from microtransactions gets pocketed by the executive class, as well as have had Ted talk like presentations from these people telling other developers that they can lie about how their in app purchases can “support developers” in orders to sucker gamers into feeling like they’re doing a good thing by buying them On top of that, developers get laid off regardless of if the game is making money or not, again, primarily because executive greed. Hell, successful games have still gotten killed off regardless of their sales or reception. It’s not a guarantee your game will keep living because it makes money. It’s a lie that it “supports the developers” more times than none. And if you gotta make psychologically manipulative and predatory monetization strategies in order to “support” yourselves, to the point you’ll go to court and lie about them to try and keep them around, then you probably aren’t developers people should be supporting to begin with
Everyone knows that stuff we buy online wont be forever, especially now. The reason we buy things in games is to enjoy the time we have now, we wont have them in 20y, but we would have probably moved on from those games by then
I just wanna say that I got banned for no reason in Apex. Well, I thought only 16 year old who cheated would say this and they lie, until it happend to me 😂 Thats why I am really happy to not have spend so much money (I got unbanned after 3 emails, but still.. feeling banned 1 week long and not knowing if you get ur acc back sucks) Just imagine it would happen to someome with skins.
I like to compare online cosmetics to skateboarding irl, I can buy a skateboard deck for 50-60$ with a cool design on it, it’s gonna look great, ride great for the next few months, but at any time it could snap and I’d have to buy a new one, but simply because it snaps doesn’t mean I’ll be afraid to buy a new one with a cool design. Unfortunately skating and gaming is money I invest into because I love the hobby.
easy rule of thumb. never spend tons of money on a game that just came out, or has a declining playerbase. And honestly for most games, there's a higher chance you'll quit and move on before the game shuts down anyway, so consider that as well.
1:12 I don't think the lack of success alone was the root cause, but this is being co-owned by Tencent means it's a problem. It will always be treated as a separate platform too since it's only licensed so one can't move without the other. This is a problem too for Star Wars games as devs find the restrictions placed upon them too limiting. Also, the only thing that could bring down Fortnite is the collapse of Unreal engine. Fortnite at the end of the day is a tech demo that evolved to its own game. They can beat COD, Apex Legends, and Battlefield because they virtually have no overhead for their game engine, since royalties completely fund the development of their engine while they have to develop and maintain their own. This is why Frostbite's a mess after their core devs left to make The Finals, the reported overspending on developing MW2019 and Cold War, and why Apex still has poor anticheat, audio glitches, and sometimes can't even get into a game after a major patch because of their geriatric source engine core. Epic does not have to deal with all this because their engine teams and fortnite work very close together and their content release cycle would not have been possible if their budget has been limited because of the lack of money coming in in the post-recession economy.
I think I'm gonna do something different next season. Instead of buying the BP and other items I'm going to put that money in a jar on my desk and buy physical merchandise instead. I could probably buy a 3-d printed replica of an Apex gun for what I spend on a single split. I spent around $100-$150 on the last milestone event and was still like 15-20 packs away from getting the heirloom. I refuse to spend $500 on an event just to get an heirloom. I absolutely HATE those events!!!!
I've never understood cosmetic purchases in live service games. The idea that any game will survive your lifetime is beyond me. I even fear for the digital games I own as undoubtedly subscriptions and streaming games will be the future. Even Fortnite might not be around in 20 years!
This makes me think of when Clash Mini (Supercell mobile game) was shut down, although for that, I remember players who had payed money on the game getting the chance to get the value of everything they payed in another Supercell game of THEIR CHOICE. So I guess this just shows EA's greed more than anything...
Yeah, if you ever get FOMO from event skins, paid skins, badges, etc. just know that everything will go up in smoke someday. Play for fun, spend what you want, but don't obsess over having to collect things.
Have them displayed in or on your EA account and if Apex was to shut down then your cosmetics would be shown on your EA account and maybe devs on Battlefield maybe try fit in your cosmetics and heirlooms from Apex to Battlefield
They could've just done what behavior did with dbd mobile shutting down, but EA, of course, is the most anti consumer company of all time and didn't do it because they weren't obligated to
I never understood why people spend hundreds of dollars for nothing. Who will care that you have a 1 in 500 skin in your workplace? in you college? in the very forums that the community engages in? they dont give you any different experience from a f2p player, aside from telling everyone you have no discipline offline.
Why would you care about what random people at your workplace think unless they also play Apex? Buy the skins for your own enjoyment, not other people's approval.
Man, I really miss Apex Mobile. It was way better that Warzone Mobile. Regarding cosmetics, I agree with the other people that is better to set a certain price as the maximum to spend, on First person games, you rarely see your skin, and weapon skins, while cool, you can steal them from the enemy loot lol
Wait a second, I might be going off topic, but is it the same as the games I bought in steam or playstore do I not owned the games I bought on this platform?.
wat they need to do is leave the games alone an wat ever money they make from the game they use that money to keep the servers up, when the game reaches an amount where it cant be refunded then pull the plug
This is what happened to dead by daylight mobile. If you spent money on it, you could get about half that value in the real game if you log in before March 10. I’m glad I only spent $10
Not just skins that are not yours even the game itself if u bought in steam or others digitally u dont own anything.They could shut it down and poof its all gone.Kinda miss disc days where u own actual products and only the online service is unavailable if u don't pay or subscribe.
Content creators are not your friends, they are a business. They will jump ship to whichever game is hyped because that's how they attract viewers who will hopefully become long term. Once you realize this it makes consuming their content like any other form of entertainment. Once MR loses its shine they will go to the next hype game, and so on and so forth. We've seen this countless times.
I think an alternative is the amount of money for a skin, like why does apex have anything less than the epic skills, the rest are garbage, I think 10 bucks a skin which could slash the heirloom prices as well, get more people buying skins keeping a better flow of revenue coming in without price gouging
if this were to happen in apex legends, I wouldn't feel bad I didn't spend that much and just grinded for fun, what I'll miss is the fun memories with my gf
I hate this new sense of being scared to purchase a game not knowing if its servers will be shut down and possibly (even for single player games) shutdown indefinitely. Multiplayer games are worse, knowing that there were people that paid for cosmetics and battle pass in Xdefiant for it to shut down a few months back. I wanted to buy a game (NMRIH2) as its premise, gameplay, and graphics appealed to me, but even after seeing the negative comments I still wanted to give it a go - but stopped when I realized that the game might just in almost a year get its multiplayer functions and the game shutdown with my money for the game also going down the drain. Why is it that they so badly want to game (even AAA) games to be a quick cash-in and to dip out when it doesn't become the next PUBG, Fortnite or any other successful practice. Or in worse case going OW2 route. I miss the era of games when you could play the game without fearing it would one day disappear from your library of other games. Truly sad days we live in, considering we're in the era of the ''remakes-remasters''.
This is definitely an EA thing. DBD Mobile also just shut down and anyone who connected their mobile account to their Steam/Console account got a refund of sorts and many things transferred over based on time and money spent on the mobile version. EA is just greedy.
Regulations are only in place after capitalism becomes greed and it is a fine line between them. But after a few billion dollars I cant care enough to care about profit for already rich people.
Grinding gear games and path of exile is live service done right. After 12 years of poe1, you get to port all your cosmetics and stashtabs to poe2. That.s what i call being on the side of the players and actually caring about the actual game....
I've observed a trend in gaming where companies gradually raise prices until they encounter public pushback, using that reaction to identify their optimal price point.
Thats most things tbh, greed
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Thats the stock market
Thats large scale business my friend, constantly judging the reaction of your customers. Keeping your finger on the pulse of the consumers is the best way to keep a business running.
It's wild the amount of players that think they own anything in a live service game, literally anything can be removed at a moments notice. Everything is just rented and a player owns nothing.
90% of anything we ever purchase outside of games will be replaced, essentially the same thing as cosmetics disappearing when game shuts down, you won't have the same car 10 years later, you won't have the same clothes 10 years later, you won't have the same shoes, curtains, vehicle, food, desk, computer, tires, tv, couch, chairs, desk, table, literally everything is designed to be replaced including games and things within a game. everything is a waste of money, find what you enjoy and waste it on that, cause most things you purchase are far more expensive and far less enjoyable.
@@brianpancotto8829not even close to being the same thing. A vehicle is an asset. You Need food to live. Purchasing a bed is good for your health and comfort. Videogame skins is purely cosmetic.
Sounds familiar🤔
We don't own it but they can't just remove anything they please at will... without consequence. For example, if they were to remove an heirloom and it vanishes for everyone that has it, the backlash would be huge to the point where gamers leave even faster than they already are.
Yep, pretty much unless you want to support the game there's no point to buying cosmetics ever.
Paying for first person skins is dead. Paying all that for a skin your opponent sees more than you
Buying it for people to see how cool you look is a very popular reason bruh.
CSGO proves everything you're saying is wrong.
That’s true irl too. You buy clothes to look good and feel good, and for others to see.
@@swiftrealmdoesnt that game have a massive shady gambling issue due to the exploitatable values added to their cosmetics? (gen question btw not trying to sound dickish)
@@swiftrealmI mean the only skins you get are stuff you can see I.e. knives/Gloves/Weapon skins..
I spent close if not over $1000 on Apex before I stopped buying any and all cosmetics in every game... its just not worth it nowadays. Coming to terms with that I'll lose everything I ever spent money on has woke me up
Right. Or buying skins on a game just to do it all over again in the new one next year and not be able to use the ones you already bought (COD)
The Finals does their cosmetics well, can buy individual items of a bundle instead of the whole thing. Also having pretty quality skins for cheap instead of $150 is quite nice. Will it last? Maybe not but I’m glad to give some money to Embark.
I haven't had the time to touch The Finals since release, but it definitely "feels" less intentionally exploitative than a number of other games
Am I the only one here who loves that you can obtain different reload/inspect animations?! All for a cheap price...
counter strike
I love these types of videos. merchant has such a good way of putting all these topics that are hard for a lot of people to stomach. who else wants to see a gaming merchant podcast?
A few years ago I bought a skin I loved in MW Warzone. I don’t regret the purchase, but I remember realizing quickly that “I won’t have this skin if they ever make another Warzone or COD”
And I have not bought another skin since. I think the majority of people will have this realization and hopefully people start saving their money for stuff they can actually own
Yep exactly why I don’t wanna buy no more skins in bo6. Right now the only game worth buying skins from is Fortnite . Epic games actually care about the fan base and actually care about their game.
This is the equivalent to giving your coins towards Arcade Machines in the 90s. They take your money for your entertainment. There's no physical value in spending more money, more like emotional value.
Hey!
I got like 20 pixie sticks and a little key chain and some fun dip and fun! In exchange for $40 😀
I like how he's playing marvel instead of apex, no need to explain why
yes because we all knew when Apex Legends started dying.
It's brand new and apex came out before you hit puberty
Already happened to my brother. His account was merged from PSN to PC on Apex. He randomly got bloodhound's heirloom in an apex pack a couple years ago, but when the merge happened, it deleted his heirloom and when he tried to talk to customer support, they told him it showed on their end that he never had an heirloom.
This was when he stopped playing for a bit and wanted to come back to try out the new season.
We are on the verge of a new "fortnite" apex is just keeping us busy til it comes. Marvel Rivals shows that the gaming community is just waiting for something new to take their time.
And this is why in 4,000 hours of Apex I'm yet to spend any money on it 😂
If the cosmetics in Apex were cheaper and they upgraded the servers from 20 tick, I'd actually support them with a little bit of money
Same. I did buy one battle pass just to support them, but no skins or cosmetics. Skins have no value to me.
I did buy some actual physical merchandise from their store. But EA could go bankrupt, and I'd still be able to wear that t-shirt and sip coffee from that mug whilst remembering the "good old days".
I buy something coz i want it. I know some people can go without a good banner or skins but I'd rather look good as a play.
Y'all just sound cheap tbh
@@cubbian i thought that at first but then maturity took over and i realized that it's a childish and pointless thing to say.
It's a free game and you're not forced to buy anything. Like i said in my previous comment not everyone cares about cosmetics and can find enjoyment in gameplay alone, so knocking someone for it is very immature.
@@shalindelta7 flexing that you haven't spent a dime on something you spent thousands of hours on is just cheap. Maybe if you're a kid with no job, but as an adult, that's a sad thing to flex.
We can only blame ourselves. If we didn't buy the skin and cosmetics, they wouldn't waste time putting them out. We can't blame devs or anyone else. They don't take the money out of our wallets by force. We willingly give it to them, and in turn, they keep pumping out content. Again, our fault gaming has come to this.
I grew up when DLCs first started popping up in games. I remember when people were fighting the idea of paying more after buying a game. It's the sad truth that microtransactions won that war and that the new generation of gamers don't even care about them and just take it as a given in games nowadays. The majority of people that really care are the ones that played games before microtransaction practices. If it's not damaging to your financial situation, I personally don't really see how it's any different than buying an IRL item that holds no value other than your interest in it. I don't need to physically hold something to get enjoyment out of it and when the game EOSs in the end, I've probably already moved on anyway
For me it depends if i can earn those in-game currency's by playing it
DLC used to be expanded content on games and not cosmetics
@ I’m more of just talking about the concept of paying more after buying the game and not the actual paid content itself
This is the exact reason I quit spending money on apex legends, the game is dieing and as the player base drops out the closer and closer it comes to EA sunsetting the game just like what happen to mobile. It's not worth anything sinking anymore money in to cosmetics just to lose them and EA not caring and/or laughing to the bank, I show the exact same apathy when it come to spending on the game.
I had a similar belief when it came to their "Black Friday/ Christmas" sales (which really aren't sales). I couldn't justify spending money within a game that is practically driving itself into the ground.
My mentality is that, if I've had a good time and the investment was worth it to me, if I ultimately don't get to utilize those cosmetics until the end of time, that's fine. Because the investment was more than just skins to me, it was time with people enjoying the same game. I see it this way because I used to play League of Legends with friends, and of course eventually I quit as the game is struggling to keep interesting content and the game is overall a toxic bore. And yet I spent money on that game, should I see it as a waste because I don't play anymore? I don't think so.
You can spend the time without spending the money though.
@@douchopotamus3755 Of course. But that won't stop me from at least spending some money if I truly enjoy a game. And I'll have no regrets doing so. That is my point.
For me I like to buy the cosmetics when I reasonably have the money to spend if I feel like doing so, my mentality on it is that I obviously don't NEED to have the skin but I could if I wanted to. I mainly by skins when there's a huge sale so even then I'm still saving more then the game itself is asking for.
IM one of the few amongst my friends that hardly ever purchase skins or items for the in game stores, no matter tha game. My freinds think im the odd one because im so frugal. I used to chain BPs back to back, but eventually stopped playing some games as often and now i get what i can get for free
Btw has anyone noticed how much the skins cost in Marvel rivals? Cosmetics in video games period are overrated not just Apex.
In Marvel Rivals you can at least justify it since it's a third person shooter, and they also give you a bunch of extra stuff. Apex has no excuse though.
You can justify it in fortnite cause either you have stw so you get free vindertech bucks every day, or get the normal bp once.
Theirs also the crew for the more well off peeps
Are we surprised? It's a good game, but essentially the publisher is there to make money and this will always happen in every single live service game.
The “ blue lagoon” skin for the flatline is also gone, at least on my game. It’s nothing fancy, it’s in the blue section of the skins😢
The day my purchases are taken away without any form of reimbursement is the day I save every single $ from micro transactions in video games
Great video man. Let's make more of these so more players, from all ages, are aware of how this works and what can be achieved with it.
Never buy online only games' cosmetics. If you HAVE TO due to poor impulse control, set a hard limit of $60.
NEVER buy skins for your character in a first person title. You can rarely if ever see the skin.
The whole point of buying skins in an FPS is so *other* people see the skin, namely the people you kill.
If you do a finisher in Apex, it's win-win because you grief your opponent, they see your skin and you see it too.
@swiftrealm yeah that's not a reason to blow cash, me boy.
Only buy skins/cosmetics if the game is actually good and worth it and the skin is good and the price is right!
@@swiftrealmI buy skins cuz they look cool cuz I like them not because other people will see it.
@@RizzyGyatt its not a *good* reason to spend money but people still do it.
Always thought that games should have an offline mode to still be able use the skins
I think the only solution to free to play life service is making it subscription base service instead of that dumb battle pass on free to play make it so that it’s a subscription if the service closes down well you lose the subcription an access to the content you still loose but at least it makes sense and every one would get access to every thing
These would also get rid of payed to win to a degree
Love these kinds of videos and I appreciate the Marvel Rivals gameplay on main
It's why I stopped spending really and stopped buying games digitally. If the account gets banned you lose all the games. Servers go down you lose all that as well. I want my money/ investment to be protected now
Seeing only the outlines I thought you have to defend Jabba, the hutt.
i have played a few years ago a game called "Brickforce" its was a Shooter which was like Mincecraft and Counterstrike in one, With the option to Build your own maps.
It was very easy to understand and you coud build destrucibale maps to change the map while playing it.
But it had his flaws.
Equipment and weaposn coud be bought via ingame currency and you coud rent items for time if you hadnt enough money.
Some weapons coud be bought forever but some not.
If you wanted them too you needed to spend money.
And there where event weapons which where super strong but if you wanted them you needed to spend money or hope for luck in the gambling part to get these for free for a few days.
I think i spend arround 1200 bucks on this game but then it was shut down in 2016.
all gone now but i still have some screenshots on my harddrive :3
1st time I actually had to read the patch notes instead of watching merchant's vid
Apex is cooked fr...
I like that first time no spoilers was actually hyped when I saw the vid then went to the patch
Apex mobile was underrated. I miss it. :(
I believe that a Supercell game shut down at one time and credit was transferred to another title. Micro transactions are evil in the first place but we should OWN these items and NOT be rented them.
The thing is that money comes and goes I could get the money I spent on games back in about 3 weeks.
Even talking about other games, we watch ppl playing Marvel Rivals. They are the king atm
TLDW: Its all up to gamers to fix this issue, and therefore we're all screwed.
Do Not Buy anything From the Apex Merch Shop!!! No Refunds are accepted! I recently got a sweater from the store as a gift for Xmas . When I realized I had received the same sweater for Xmas the yr before. So the person who purchased tried to get a refund. They were denied. So I thought ok maybe I can exchange it for another item on there site . Was also denied. Apex is so down bad they won’t even allow refunds on merchandise. So know I’m stuck with two of the same item. At this point I’m truly done with Apex or anything they have to offer 🤬
this has happened to me with hyperscape. now im still deciding on not buying skins for games any more its not worth it, games die they dont even last 8 years they just die
I think I’d be fair if they just gave a 6 month warning for all purchases before a shutdown.
C'est la vie, nothing you buy is eternal, clothes get worn out, phones get outdated, cars malfunction. Apply that to literally anything else
dude, ive been playing some mmorpg games in the past, i spent A LOT to get skins and costum for my character. after the game closed their service, there also my money gone
When epic shut Paragon down they refunded everyone's cosmetic purchases. How can epic be so much better than EA?
I spent $10 on season 1 battle pass and got all the items from season 1-10 plus some extras here and there. It baffles me when people will drop $100 after $100 of dollars on these games. I’m willing to lose $10.
And that game is apex legends… 0:52 bro had me bamboozled
As someone who's been part of the mobile gaming community for over 7 years, I noticed something many overlook: the mobile community has different expectations compared to the console crowd. When EA mishandled things back then, it left a bad taste in our mouths. For many of us, including myself, it was enough to swear off their games entirely. I haven't touched an EA title since, and I don't plan to in the future.
No video game skin should be worth more than a few days salary of the artist that made that skin divided by the expected sales figures.
except counter strike skins ofcourse
I like the battle pass of Marvel rivals. it doesn't go away when it expires, as long as it was purchased before the next season lol.
Never spend money in games where you cant sell the skins.
I never take mobile gaming seriously enough to buy cosmetics, but even in PC games I almost never spend money on skins, battle passes etc, it's just the way I am. I only care about my performance
Merchant, regurgitating lines about “it supports developers” when we’ve literally seen time and time again, that no, with these big AAA live services especially, it doesn’t, and primarily these microtransactions funds go to the executive class. Stop giving these companies excuses man.
Same honestly with essentially saying it’s the “players fault and their responsibility” and not the executives for making psychologically manipulative monetization tactics. That’s something people rarely discuss when talking about how “devs are forced to do mtx in these games”, no one’s forcing them to make the mtx so goddamn predatory, and purposely designed to target certain demographics more than others. We have years of evidence that shows these mtx are often a result of executive class greed more than actual developers “needing” them to support their games, to the point they’ll straight up fight legal action and lie about them in court (which EA did btw)
It’s nice to see you acknowledge the reality that these cosmetics are things that will go away eventually and lose their worth/value, but this need to try and absolve corporations of accountability for the state of the industry with regards to the excessive monetization issue really undermines your point imo
It does support the developers. This is just a fact. More sales means more money means execs will likely keep the game running. If no one/not enough people buy microtransactions, the game shuts down and the employees most likely get laid off.
@@swiftrealmwe literally have had devs blatantly admit that a large majority of the sales from microtransactions gets pocketed by the executive class, as well as have had Ted talk like presentations from these people telling other developers that they can lie about how their in app purchases can “support developers” in orders to sucker gamers into feeling like they’re doing a good thing by buying them
On top of that, developers get laid off regardless of if the game is making money or not, again, primarily because executive greed. Hell, successful games have still gotten killed off regardless of their sales or reception. It’s not a guarantee your game will keep living because it makes money. It’s a lie that it “supports the developers” more times than none. And if you gotta make psychologically manipulative and predatory monetization strategies in order to “support” yourselves, to the point you’ll go to court and lie about them to try and keep them around, then you probably aren’t developers people should be supporting to begin with
Where was this a year ago? Lol
How did i know TGM would be a starlord main 😂
Important to note that buying skins is not supporting devs. It’s supporting the bottom line for EA’s stakeholders and nobody else.
Allowing open source to host our own servers is the way. Halo master chief collection should have done this.
This is why i dont buy skins/limited items for exclusively online games with real money
Everyone knows that stuff we buy online wont be forever, especially now. The reason we buy things in games is to enjoy the time we have now, we wont have them in 20y, but we would have probably moved on from those games by then
I have almost always had the opinion that we only buy the right to use the skins but what ea did with Apex mobile is plain evil
A couple hundred isn't a big deal is insane.
Unless a game shuts down super shortly after launch (concord) don't have any expectation that you might get a refund, its not gonna happen
Wow wishing you hadn't moved on to rivals dude respawn showed u love😂
honestly i think if your games doesnt last a year you should be able to get money back or something back
I just wanna say that I got banned for no reason in Apex. Well, I thought only 16 year old who cheated would say this and they lie, until it happend to me 😂
Thats why I am really happy to not have spend so much money (I got unbanned after 3 emails, but still.. feeling banned 1 week long and not knowing if you get ur acc back sucks)
Just imagine it would happen to someome with skins.
They need a nft for it. New game comes out, it saves it
I would rather pay for a GAME than pay to keep the lights on for a game.
I like to compare online cosmetics to skateboarding irl, I can buy a skateboard deck for 50-60$ with a cool design on it, it’s gonna look great, ride great for the next few months, but at any time it could snap and I’d have to buy a new one, but simply because it snaps doesn’t mean I’ll be afraid to buy a new one with a cool design. Unfortunately skating and gaming is money I invest into because I love the hobby.
easy rule of thumb. never spend tons of money on a game that just came out, or has a declining playerbase. And honestly for most games, there's a higher chance you'll quit and move on before the game shuts down anyway, so consider that as well.
1:12 I don't think the lack of success alone was the root cause, but this is being co-owned by Tencent means it's a problem. It will always be treated as a separate platform too since it's only licensed so one can't move without the other. This is a problem too for Star Wars games as devs find the restrictions placed upon them too limiting.
Also, the only thing that could bring down Fortnite is the collapse of Unreal engine. Fortnite at the end of the day is a tech demo that evolved to its own game. They can beat COD, Apex Legends, and Battlefield because they virtually have no overhead for their game engine, since royalties completely fund the development of their engine while they have to develop and maintain their own. This is why Frostbite's a mess after their core devs left to make The Finals, the reported overspending on developing MW2019 and Cold War, and why Apex still has poor anticheat, audio glitches, and sometimes can't even get into a game after a major patch because of their geriatric source engine core. Epic does not have to deal with all this because their engine teams and fortnite work very close together and their content release cycle would not have been possible if their budget has been limited because of the lack of money coming in in the post-recession economy.
They’ve already deleted my favorite rare wraith and caustic skins from my acc a long time ago after that I stopped spending money on this game.
I never understood the people who spend hundreds on heirlooms. Like they look nice, but hundreds of dollars on a spinning knife..? To each their own
Listen you might be right but those bunny fits I just couldn’t pass them this year
I think I'm gonna do something different next season. Instead of buying the BP and other items I'm going to put that money in a jar on my desk and buy physical merchandise instead. I could probably buy a 3-d printed replica of an Apex gun for what I spend on a single split.
I spent around $100-$150 on the last milestone event and was still like 15-20 packs away from getting the heirloom. I refuse to spend $500 on an event just to get an heirloom. I absolutely HATE those events!!!!
I've never understood cosmetic purchases in live service games. The idea that any game will survive your lifetime is beyond me. I even fear for the digital games I own as undoubtedly subscriptions and streaming games will be the future. Even Fortnite might not be around in 20 years!
This makes me think of when Clash Mini (Supercell mobile game) was shut down, although for that, I remember players who had payed money on the game getting the chance to get the value of everything they payed in another Supercell game of THEIR CHOICE. So I guess this just shows EA's greed more than anything...
Iv never spent a cent on apex & I have every pay to win skin and an heirloom, never waste money on pixels
Yeah, if you ever get FOMO from event skins, paid skins, badges, etc. just know that everything will go up in smoke someday. Play for fun, spend what you want, but don't obsess over having to collect things.
You own access to the assets you purchased, thats it. Access only.
Premium online games are that way, you buy game that one day will stop existing.
Have them displayed in or on your EA account and if Apex was to shut down then your cosmetics would be shown on your EA account and maybe devs on Battlefield maybe try fit in your cosmetics and heirlooms from Apex to Battlefield
They could've just done what behavior did with dbd mobile shutting down, but EA, of course, is the most anti consumer company of all time and didn't do it because they weren't obligated to
This already happened to my apex account after I did the account merge it deleted my Xbox save
I never understood why people spend hundreds of dollars for nothing. Who will care that you have a 1 in 500 skin in your workplace? in you college? in the very forums that the community engages in? they dont give you any different experience from a f2p player, aside from telling everyone you have no discipline offline.
Why would you care about what random people at your workplace think unless they also play Apex? Buy the skins for your own enjoyment, not other people's approval.
Man, I really miss Apex Mobile. It was way better that Warzone Mobile.
Regarding cosmetics, I agree with the other people that is better to set a certain price as the maximum to spend, on First person games, you rarely see your skin, and weapon skins, while cool, you can steal them from the enemy loot lol
I was just thinking to myself about this topic. Makes me wanna only spend in long term games like CSGO or something
Stick with Valve for their skins as there's an actual economy, and they make money as well so they won't shut it down.
@@XC11301991 Ah yes, stick with Valve that has the most predatory gambling system in gaming, facing lawsuits left and right. Great idea
Wait a second, I might be going off topic, but is it the same as the games I bought in steam or playstore do I not owned the games I bought on this platform?.
I uninstalled apex 2 min ago...and I don't plan to install it...Cheaters won
Rust will never disappear
wat they need to do is leave the games alone an wat ever money they make from the game they use that money to keep the servers up, when the game reaches an amount where it cant be refunded then pull the plug
This is what happened to dead by daylight mobile. If you spent money on it, you could get about half that value in the real game if you log in before March 10. I’m glad I only spent $10
Not just skins that are not yours even the game itself if u bought in steam or others digitally u dont own anything.They could shut it down and poof its all gone.Kinda miss disc days where u own actual products and only the online service is unavailable if u don't pay or subscribe.
Got over 30 heirlooms in apex and dont play it anymore after 11k hours but i guess it was worth it in those 11k hours?
The cope in this comment section is mad 😂. You cannot compare a car with an in game apex skin lol
now you only address this? this is nothing new. no more EA sponsorship?
someone do a video on the "sinister truth" of how content creators operate
Content creators are not your friends, they are a business. They will jump ship to whichever game is hyped because that's how they attract viewers who will hopefully become long term. Once you realize this it makes consuming their content like any other form of entertainment.
Once MR loses its shine they will go to the next hype game, and so on and so forth. We've seen this countless times.
someone need to buy respawn
I think an alternative is the amount of money for a skin, like why does apex have anything less than the epic skills, the rest are garbage, I think 10 bucks a skin which could slash the heirloom prices as well, get more people buying skins keeping a better flow of revenue coming in without price gouging
if this were to happen in apex legends, I wouldn't feel bad I didn't spend that much and just grinded for fun, what I'll miss is the fun memories with my gf
I hate this new sense of being scared to purchase a game not knowing if its servers will be shut down and possibly (even for single player games) shutdown indefinitely. Multiplayer games are worse, knowing that there were people that paid for cosmetics and battle pass in Xdefiant for it to shut down a few months back.
I wanted to buy a game (NMRIH2) as its premise, gameplay, and graphics appealed to me, but even after seeing the negative comments I still wanted to give it a go - but stopped when I realized that the game might just in almost a year get its multiplayer functions and the game shutdown with my money for the game also going down the drain.
Why is it that they so badly want to game (even AAA) games to be a quick cash-in and to dip out when it doesn't become the next PUBG, Fortnite or any other successful practice. Or in worse case going OW2 route. I miss the era of games when you could play the game without fearing it would one day disappear from your library of other games. Truly sad days we live in, considering we're in the era of the ''remakes-remasters''.
This is definitely an EA thing. DBD Mobile also just shut down and anyone who connected their mobile account to their Steam/Console account got a refund of sorts and many things transferred over based on time and money spent on the mobile version. EA is just greedy.
Regulations are only in place after capitalism becomes greed and it is a fine line between them. But after a few billion dollars I cant care enough to care about profit for already rich people.
Grinding gear games and path of exile is live service done right. After 12 years of poe1, you get to port all your cosmetics and stashtabs to poe2. That.s what i call being on the side of the players and actually caring about the actual game....
Geez dude don't remind me of that wraith skin I bought for apex mobile
Warzone 1 everyone spend so much and poof they deleted the game