I've just discovered your channel. I never heard of Yishun, but I'm impressed by geo of this frame ;) personally, i have same issue with bike fit. I'm 5,5" but around 6,1" in reach and i have to run practically longest stems available :D
Thanks for watching! Sadly I’m not sure if Yishun is currently selling this frame directly to customers anymore. But shoot them an email if interested.
@@PatrickLino Asking them cost nothing 😉 I'm not a huge fan of the design of that bike in regards to the fork and downtube, but that geo is interesting.
Great piece. Love the Scottie Pippen drop in, classic. You are sucking me into the deep rabbit hole. I am still kicking around the idea of getting a faster bike to use along with my extremely comfortable not light Trek Domane Endurance bike. Question - if I am super busy with work / like is it worth going this route or is your Giant Propel for example a better overall value? I live very close near a Trek factory store and I can get Giant from a store closer that does my maintenance work. I am holding off a purchase until the Spring.
I'm of the mindset of spending as much you can (or want) on a frame, if it's going to be your primary road bike. The best value for bikes are not from any major brands. However, by and large major brands will perform better. And no affordable Chinese bike can replace the desire for something like a Giant Propel. Especially if that's what you "really" want.
@@PatrickLinomassive appreciation. I do think there is a good niche opportunity perhaps for a local bike shop to support the non major brands. I do not have the energy or the skills these days for the DIY. Perhaps I will see you on the roads in Chicago in the spring to pick your brain if cool, I do some of the group rides.
Got pretty much the same bike thanks to you. And it's really fast and good! I can tell that I am really excited to ride this bike everyday compared to my former bike. A couple of upgrades here and there would make this bike my go to for everything (endurance rides, cafe rides, races, climbing). Just a question tho, what would you suggest, SRAM Rival AXS or Shimano 105 Di2? I currently have LTwoo eR9. Tho the groupset is really good, I think LTWoo is not there yet compared to Shimano and SRAM. Force/Ultegra is out of the question atm because of budget
@@PatrickLino thanks Patrick! 105 di2 is now on the way from AliExpress. Got the upgrade kit for friggin' $700 lol (cranks, chain and cassette excluded since I already have them installed on my bike)
Honestly it’s no different than any of the other bike brands that jacked pricing up waaaaay high during Covid. Hence all of the ultegra and mid level bikes being 8500+ now when they use to be in the 6k range. My last bike was a Winspace for that reason.
Regarding the gap between the downtube and the wheel…. Looks at the gap on a canyon aeroad, that bike tests faster than lots of other bikes with closer gaps.
Yeah I feel you with the monkey arms. I'm 5'9 with a 6'2 wingspan, and a 89cm inseam 😂. Also, just got my Propel Advanced Pro too (55cm), about a month ago. Best bike I've owned so far 💪🏾. Is it still your #1?
@@cornelhughes6763 I haven't used shallow carbon spoked wheels with this frameset since it's an aero frame. The wheels I've used are mentioned in the video.
@@HeRoLdinHo haha! In all honesty, I think Yishun/Light Carbon are the best buys under $1000. And for $1500 Winspace T1500 is still the best. Now if you truly can only afford $500 then VeloBuild 177 would be my vote.
How do you go about finding a price or purchasing their wheelsets? It looks like they make some decent lightweight mountain bike wheels with DT Swiss 350 compatible hubs.
You have to contact them via email on their website. Include the wheels/specs you want and they will quote you a price plus shipping. They should be pretty fast to reply. Mention my name if you would like.
After going through the size chart, it is very unusual would be my take. This seems as if it is either going to be a sizing nightmare or the perfect frame for someone with unusual measurements. Due to this, I don't know if this would be the right frame for just anyone. Nice frame, but like you said, that gap between the downtube and the front tire is really a shame. Thanks.
USA, WA @@PatrickLino , I checked just last week. Only Size remaining at time was 50. and basicaly no way to get size 54 or 56 in near futur as they only take order for minimum 10 frame... maybe group buy option might be the only way going forward .
@@tonbost Man that is a bummer. While Yishun and Light Carbon are no longer "partners", I do believe the quality is the same and they offer paint. LC should have some comparable frames on their website.
Thats crazy. Other brands try to increase demand by giving you a discount code that you can forward to your viewers. These guys completely misunderstood how to make use of in this case free marketing. Sad to see that as i also had them on my shopping list.
Light Carbon is is more or less the same brand. And they offer paint options. I may check out a frame from them next season. But I 100% agree with you.
The problem with the R21 is even if I got my hands on one, Yoeleo discontinued it. So reviewing the frame wouldn’t make sense since viewers/customers wouldn’t be able to buy one themselves.
@@PatrickLino A little bit of correction. Frame is $740 + $100 shipping so it's still $840.. Tho i have no idea if they have updated the prices right now.
"stealth" matte black does not suit frames like this at all, they need some contrast to break things up a bit and make the tubes look less square and chunky even a name on the DT and a head badge or some gloss accents is enough sometimes. I saw a matte black Pinarello Dogma a few years back halfway through a custom paint job and sweet Jesus it was horrible.
@@chris1275cc I never owned a carbon bike I have used Italian classic road bike Faggin, with the frame that outclasses any carbon fiber bike out there,and a fixed gear/single speed bike, with very slender aluminum tubes,and literally invisible welds... really, the frame looks like it's made out of carbon fiber 😅 Nothing fancy, nothing expensive... The steel bike accelerates better than any alu frame that I ever owned... unfortunately, decommissioned now, because I damaged the freaking Italian threaded bb 😑 Riding my single speed only,atm... Greetings from Kris from Croatia 😎
The CCP is financing their attainable goal of global conquest with our addiction to bargains. We can always buy used. We need the resolve to determine destiny and avoid our default inevitable downfall.
Raising the price when customer demand increases, is terrible brand optics.
Econ 101 😂
@@Crossfire044 STOP THIS 🤣
Considering it’s a rip off of the Scott foil, their brand optics isn’t really anything to speak of to begin with.
@@87togabito Explain yourself.
@@87togabito i dont see scott foil on this bike. Maybe Canyon Aeroad specially the rear tail
Don’t get greedy, Yishun. Bump that price back down!
We the people will make it happen 💪🏾
I've just discovered your channel.
I never heard of Yishun, but I'm impressed by geo of this frame ;) personally, i have same issue with bike fit. I'm 5,5" but around 6,1" in reach and i have to run practically longest stems available :D
Thanks for watching! Sadly I’m not sure if Yishun is currently selling this frame directly to customers anymore. But shoot them an email if interested.
@@PatrickLino Asking them cost nothing 😉
I'm not a huge fan of the design of that bike in regards to the fork and downtube, but that geo is interesting.
Great video presentation!! Very informative and easy listening!
Thank you for watching!
Hopefully they will consider your comments and implement positive changes ✊🏾
Great piece. Love the Scottie Pippen drop in, classic. You are sucking me into the deep rabbit hole. I am still kicking around the idea of getting a faster bike to use along with my extremely comfortable not light Trek Domane Endurance bike. Question - if I am super busy with work / like is it worth going this route or is your Giant Propel for example a better overall value? I live very close near a Trek factory store and I can get Giant from a store closer that does my maintenance work. I am holding off a purchase until the Spring.
I'm of the mindset of spending as much you can (or want) on a frame, if it's going to be your primary road bike. The best value for bikes are not from any major brands. However, by and large major brands will perform better. And no affordable Chinese bike can replace the desire for something like a Giant Propel. Especially if that's what you "really" want.
@@PatrickLinomassive appreciation. I do think there is a good niche opportunity perhaps for a local bike shop to support the non major brands. I do not have the energy or the skills these days for the DIY. Perhaps I will see you on the roads in Chicago in the spring to pick your brain if cool, I do some of the group rides.
Pat great review and informative well done btw when’s the review of your giant project coming?
Tough to say. It’s basically a winter here in Chicago. End of the year 👍🏾
finally the full review
Finally…
Got pretty much the same bike thanks to you. And it's really fast and good! I can tell that I am really excited to ride this bike everyday compared to my former bike. A couple of upgrades here and there would make this bike my go to for everything (endurance rides, cafe rides, races, climbing).
Just a question tho, what would you suggest, SRAM Rival AXS or Shimano 105 Di2? I currently have LTwoo eR9. Tho the groupset is really good, I think LTWoo is not there yet compared to Shimano and SRAM. Force/Ultegra is out of the question atm because of budget
105 Di2 no question. Longer batter life and slightly crisper shift performance. Full groupset can be had for around $1000 now.
@@PatrickLino thanks Patrick! 105 di2 is now on the way from AliExpress. Got the upgrade kit for friggin' $700 lol (cranks, chain and cassette excluded since I already have them installed on my bike)
@@lupitlupitan Which AliX seller did you use? Maybe I can find an Ultegra upgrade kit myself!
@@PatrickLino Anrancee! I saw Ultegra di2 upgrade kit (no cranks, cassette etc.) for $1.1k. Add in some coupon codes and you'll get it much cheaper!
Frame looks sick❤️🔥
The look isn't for everyone, but I like it too!
Hey Patrick any thoughts doing a roll down test with these bikes ?? I think you mentioned not a lot of hills there thanks the reviews great work
There are no sustain hills or descents here to even conduct such a test 😭. Thanks for the watching!
It has a soul! Don’t know if it’s true, but great way to put it ✅
Haha you fully understood the point I was making.
Honestly it’s no different than any of the other bike brands that jacked pricing up waaaaay high during Covid. Hence all of the ultegra and mid level bikes being 8500+ now when they use to be in the 6k range. My last bike was a Winspace for that reason.
Crazy because now you can find Ultegra Di2 12 speed groupsets for $1400-$1500.
My Specialized Tarmac SL6 with full mechanical Ultegra was $4k when I bought it new. Now the Tarmac SL7 with 105 di2 is "on sale" for $5k. Lol
@@Silidons91 What a time to be alive 🤣
Great review, thank you.
Regarding the gap between the downtube and the wheel…. Looks at the gap on a canyon aeroad, that bike tests faster than lots of other bikes with closer gaps.
Hmmm this is an interesting take. I need to research the point further. Thanks Simon!
Google search ‘tour aero test’
Some complain about the protocols they use but they are consistent and no one else tests bikes the way they do
Yeah I feel you with the monkey arms. I'm 5'9 with a 6'2 wingspan, and a 89cm inseam 😂. Also, just got my Propel Advanced Pro too (55cm), about a month ago. Best bike I've owned so far 💪🏾. Is it still your #1?
At 6'1" with 6'11" wingspan I feel you both! I got a bike fit and the fitter checked 3 times. He thought he messed up the measurements.
not gonna lie you got really good genes and bro i'm jealous😆
@@Kittyjesus503 BRUH did you say 6'11"???
@@PatrickLino yes. Marfan syndrome. Knock on wood I didn’t get the heart problems. Lol
This is actually the frame made for Tifosi.
It’s the Tifosi Auriga frame set, by OEM Yishun.
I will be adding that this is also Prorace Randa DSQ
How does the frame cost?
@@PatrickLino It cost $1800.
@@1971lemond OUCH
@@PatrickLino It was voted as one of the best aero bikes to buy in 2023, by Bike Radar.
Patrick how did you find {ride feel)this frameset with your elite drive 45 or a shallow wheelset with carbon spokes?
LoL did you just post this same question on the forums?
@@PatrickLino yes, research
@@cornelhughes6763 I haven't used shallow carbon spoked wheels with this frameset since it's an aero frame. The wheels I've used are mentioned in the video.
What do you think is the best value for money Chinese frame set quality right now? Yishun, Velobuild, Yoeleo, Light Carbon, Seka or …?
......watch.the.video.
@@PatrickLinosorry, the link does not work 😢
@@HeRoLdinHo watch the video dude
I did… you go with the Yishun brand 😅 I love your videos sorry bro 😎
@@HeRoLdinHo haha! In all honesty, I think Yishun/Light Carbon are the best buys under $1000. And for $1500 Winspace T1500 is still the best. Now if you truly can only afford $500 then VeloBuild 177 would be my vote.
How do you go about finding a price or purchasing their wheelsets? It looks like they make some decent lightweight mountain bike wheels with DT Swiss 350 compatible hubs.
You have to contact them via email on their website. Include the wheels/specs you want and they will quote you a price plus shipping. They should be pretty fast to reply. Mention my name if you would like.
Yishun is like a land area of what they called in Singapore.
Thanks for watching!
After going through the size chart, it is very unusual would be my take. This seems as if it is either going to be a sizing nightmare or the perfect frame for someone with unusual measurements. Due to this, I don't know if this would be the right frame for just anyone. Nice frame, but like you said, that gap between the downtube and the front tire is really a shame. Thanks.
Thanks for watching 👍🏾
Hi! I was wondering what kind of a watch you're wearing.( I'm a diving watch enthusiast!)
Submariner homage ❤️
@@PatrickLino Oh nice! I just got the new San Martin subby homage in 41mm.
What is your preferred saddle choice at the moment?
Can’t go wrong with Specialized Power saddle.
@8:56 Isn't Lightcarbon and Yishun "the same", same group of companies and same frames - just different go to market (B2B vs. B2C)?
They were once partners but they are now separated. BUT if you check the address, they are pretty much on the same industrial complex in Xiamen
@@lupitlupitan Correct. Yishun and Light Carbon are no longer interchangeable brands. Yishun informed me of this after my first video.
They dont sell it anymore, at least for the moment, unless you take 10 of them... maybe it will come back or not ...
Is that what they told you? Which country are you located?
USA, WA @@PatrickLino , I checked just last week. Only Size remaining at time was 50. and basicaly no way to get size 54 or 56 in near futur as they only take order for minimum 10 frame... maybe group buy option might be the only way going forward .
@@tonbost Man that is a bummer. While Yishun and Light Carbon are no longer "partners", I do believe the quality is the same and they offer paint. LC should have some comparable frames on their website.
Thats crazy. Other brands try to increase demand by giving you a discount code that you can forward to your viewers. These guys completely misunderstood how to make use of in this case free marketing. Sad to see that as i also had them on my shopping list.
Light Carbon is is more or less the same brand. And they offer paint options. I may check out a frame from them next season. But I 100% agree with you.
I think it's because they are more on the business side of things rather than the consumer ones.
Mans out here looking like a secks symbol now!
I really hate you couldn't get a Yoeleo R21. It is better than the R12.
The problem with the R21 is even if I got my hands on one, Yoeleo discontinued it. So reviewing the frame wouldn’t make sense since viewers/customers wouldn’t be able to buy one themselves.
@@PatrickLino I'm aware. I'm speaking more so from the standpoint of them not discontinuing it.
So its 850$ now? 😢
It's around $740. Shipping would be around $100
Hurray they dropped the price back down again.
@@PatrickLinothats a great news 🤩
@@PatrickLino A little bit of correction. Frame is $740 + $100 shipping so it's still $840.. Tho i have no idea if they have updated the prices right now.
How much was it all in total?
Frame 750, Wheels 550, plus whatever you would pay locally for the groupset and various accessories.
I really wanna buy this frameset but now they require MOQ 20 set 😢
20 MOQ? Who did you speak with?
@@PatrickLinoi spoke with Melinda on skype
when i talked to kitty in november she said 10 moq and when i talked to melinda in december she said 20 moq
@@jibe0918 OMG
Thanks for watching!
This frame looks like the Twitter brand. Twitter Cyclone to be exact.
Kind of similar but not the same. Yishun is an OEM supplier.
No offense,but that is not a good looking bike 😢
Is it just me,or are the bikes getting more and more uglier?
Greetings from Croatia from Kris 😎
I didn’t say it was a good looking bike haha 😭
@@PatrickLino
I know
But I couldn't resist not to comment about what I think about the bike! 😅
Greetings from Kris 😎
@@kris8165 👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾
"stealth" matte black does not suit frames like this at all, they need some contrast to break things up a bit and make the tubes look less square and chunky even a name on the DT and a head badge or some gloss accents is enough sometimes. I saw a matte black Pinarello Dogma a few years back halfway through a custom paint job and sweet Jesus it was horrible.
@@chris1275cc I never owned a carbon bike
I have used Italian classic road bike Faggin, with the frame that outclasses any carbon fiber bike out there,and a fixed gear/single speed bike, with very slender aluminum tubes,and literally invisible welds... really, the frame looks like it's made out of carbon fiber 😅
Nothing fancy, nothing expensive...
The steel bike accelerates better than any alu frame that I ever owned... unfortunately, decommissioned now, because I damaged the freaking Italian threaded bb 😑
Riding my single speed only,atm...
Greetings from Kris from Croatia 😎
The CCP is financing their attainable goal of global conquest with our addiction to bargains. We can always buy used. We need the resolve to determine destiny and avoid our default inevitable downfall.
Fantastic
When are you doing a review on E-bike road or gravel bike.
Baby Boomers want E-bike to stay riding.
Several gravel bike video on my channel. 💪🏾
If this is the bike you had me try at WNR, it had a kick, very responsive and smooth...🫡
Team Negus discount coming soon