LOL! love your videos, you crack me up man. This was a really good (and funny) breakdown, and DEAD ON. Yes I also agree Misha did take the high road in this one and I need to work on that!
I still stand by the knee starting it in your head. You were pulling punches back first then after the knee you start to stick them more still not hard but after that kick then you start going harder
I am sorry for saying that, Jeff, but you got mad on a partner. It happens sometimes because we all commit mistakes, but i guess it doesn’t worth it, because a friendship should be a lot bigger than our ego. Just saying, brother. I keep my eyes on your great work. You are a great fighter. Greetings from Brazil. Osu!
[TL;DR] Catching roundhouse kicks -- *specifically* around the *outside* of the leg, *after* it has stuck home -- and then *holding* the leg in the air really REALLY annoys some (most?) people. Was it even reasonable to claim the catch of that kick in the first place? Hmmm. If it really was a valid catch, immediately demonstrate your follow-up. Don't make people hop about: that just sh!ts people to tears. If you do make people hop, expect to get punched in the face. Why shouldn't they? You didn't finished the exchange, so it is still GAME ON. Explanation -- I realise you guys know the mechanics of sparring, so when I explain the bleeding obvious, it is for clarity. (I hope!) I'll try not to bore you or annoy you. No promises. ;-) Ok -- I am *not* against catching kicks (in sparring or in the wild): if you've specifically blocked or, say, cut the gap on the kick such that your body is now at their thigh, then you've every right to catch that leg and (immediately) illustrate that your next move would have been something that would hurt. ON THE OTHER HAND, if they have thrown a slow-arse kick (because we're doing light sparring) that has *still* made it through your defence and landed on you -- do you *really* think it is *reasonable* to catch that leg? [Note: Misha was throwing driving kicks -- not snapping his kicks. Thus, they have to be super slow to provide light contact.] If you think "YES, it is totally reasonable" ... then I guess you can hold that leg in the air. In some cases, I might agree with "yes". For a thigh kick ... that's usually a tough ask. So, I generally go "NOPE!!" If I've instinctively caught that kick that has landed (but pretty much only because it was so slow, etc.), I'll drop it straight away -- like I never caught it to begin with. I usually don't think catching a *landed* kick like that is at all reasonable -- I believe if you were to throw a kick where you have pivoted your supporting foot, rolled your hips, driven that kick through and dropped your body weight on it, then the chances that I (or anyone) will catch that kick after it lands home is super slim. Even less so if it is aimed below waist height (e.g., thigh) and is on a flat or downward trajectory. [Really STUPID (ineffectual) kicks deserve to be caught to teach people "STOP THAT" -- you know what I mean.] Anyway, as that is my perspective, it often annoys me when people catch my leg like that, hold it up and force me to hop about till *they* decide that they've shown me who won that exchange. Really? You sure, Chief? This can be a particular problem with significantly less skilled partners who don't recognise that they just had their head knocked off. Now, in your defence, Misha *often* doesn't pivot his rear foot well and (therefore) often doesn't roll his hips over well -- making his leg easier to catch. I'm still thinking "not reasonable" to catch most of those kicks, though. If you're willing to take random advice off the internet, perhaps suggest to Misha that he look at the pivot of his rear foot on those kicks. ;-) P.S. there were at least two (perhaps more) lunging hooks or supermans that you didn't moderate your contact well. Yes, it's difficult with those -- not trying to make you feel bad on that front. Still, contact was made. But, NO acknowledgement of the mistake was given. *Now*, I am trying to make you feel chastised. ;-)
U re a fighter jeff i guess, u just need to work on that switch button when u not in fight, but at the same time don t forget to switch it on from time to time. "take one to give a better one" this is not a ego thing, trully this is fighting. Maybe u need more opportunity to let ur iner fighter go out..
Yeah i do the same as you, i acknowledge and compliment thier hits on me as it shows i am not mad or too serious about it while boosting thier confidence and also giving them a break or allow them a chance after i land on them.
I remember boxing with my homeboy once and he caught me flush with the cleanest hook- split second of a pause where he was concerned and I congratulated him and we moved on.
Yeah I've seen partners break their arm or tear their retinal and makes me think that it isn't worth it to ego fight in the gym. Save it for a real fight or a life or death situation.
Just yesterday I was sparring with a brown belt (I'm black belt) who's younger than me, quite athletic, and quite aggressive . I was giving him some nice shots, quite controlling him, and then, he surprised me with a great hook kick to the head. He did it very good and controlled, so I grated him and said "very nice!" and continued sparring. I think that's the way to keep it in a good atmosphere
Honestly whenever Jeff gets into a sparring argument, I find one key thing he almost always does wrong, is he never stops the fight whenever he feels something is wrong and instead continues it, and eventually he himself getting angry, I feel this is especially true with the TKD guy he recently faced. Whenever I sparred, it was basically a unwritten rule in my gym, the moment you felt something was off u would just make the time out hand sign and talk about the sparring intensity real quick and then continue. A rule I would also do with partners is id ask them to punch or kick my hand (on the palm of course) and just bluntly say "hit it as hard as you want to get hit and we will go from there" Which gave me a solid indicator what type of sparring match my partner wanted. To this day I only had one incident with a sparring partner after near hundreds and that was frankly because the kid i was facing was being abit of a punk trying to prove he was more then what he was even though i told him to cool it. Other then that these two golden rules have kept me out of sparring issues. Personally, I feel if you are someone who is repetitively running into sparring partner issues, then perhaps you are the problem. Love Jeff but I feel his sparring communication could use some work. Edit; This comment is now 7 months old so if you join in on the discussion keep in mind its been almost a year and my criticism on jeff are out dated.
Yup thats what I noticed for awhile as well. I ask my trainees that when sparring, the more experienced one should always keep assessing and be the one to descalate should the heat gets too hot.
@@Khristos13 Glad to see i'm not the only one who noticed these things, was pretty scared to make a comment against Jeff, for i was thinking "shit, all the jeff fan boys are going to eat my ass for saying this" but honestly I see it happen in almost every video where he asks us to analyze what happened. Like if your partner hits to hard, just ask for a time out on the match and tell them to tone it down abit, takes literally four seconds dude.
The hand striking before sparring rounds is actually genius cuz it actually gives a barometer of how hard to hit instead of just saying “how hard do you wanna go?”
Bro im taking your lead here but i am a small fighter im 5ft 6 and weigh 155 walking around and cause if that i often piss off anybody slightly bigger then me when i land shots or out point them with light shots and also somehow men always feel threatened round me even when im being nice or respectful and thus i let guya try to go ham cause i can take a shot i can give it BUT i prefer to calm my mind in the heat of the moment and then out point but not hurt the guy im sparring now this was all good until i sparred a Heavyweight 230 pounds who trained muay thai and ways sparred with me but never pushed his luck good we start and its normal im tired and were not landing hard etc. Then suddenly bam he throws a full power left hook to right cross combo sending me flying and i was like Wtf so i said cool i will turn it up but by max 10% and i did and peppered him till he said timeout my other partners i tend to go much harder with so i knew the power was not enough to do damage but the volume was a bit much cool he never ever tried that again cause i wanted to teach him that there is levels and that sparring should be practice not a fight so i opted for upping skills not power if i wanted to hurt him i wouldve thrown full force body shots and high low combos and 1000% i would have slept him but again im there to learn not let my ego go wild.
So, I've never done MMA, but I fenced competitively and I have a story from that time that could be relevant to this situation. I had a friend who was in the same fencing club, but didn't compete so there was a skill disparity. One day after we had been sparring I find out in the car that when I'm being light and playful during sparring, he thinks I'm being an arrogant dick because I'm condescending to him because I'm not taking him seriously enough or something along those lines. We were young, so that was one of the first times I realized how completely differently people could be seeing things during sparring...
Thanks for sharing. This story really resonated with me. I think I've messed up with this kind of thing a few times. I have learned that some people, no matter their skill level, do not like to see their partner smile, or say stuff like "nice shot", because it seems like they aren't taking the session seriously. The more openly respectful you think you are being to your partner, the more disrespectful you can come across. I don't think this holds true for everyone, but it's certainly something to look out for with new partners (or if you find yourself in a new gym). I've also found that asking some beginners about what intensity of sparring they'd prefer can go down really poorly, as if you trying to dictate the terms of engagement (maybe?). I also totally agree with the final point made in the breakdown about feeling bad after a weird sparring moment. We put our safety in the hands (and feet!) of others during sparring. Maybe we feel so bad because we recognise that a very important bond of trust has been violated? I dunno.
Yeah same thing with me. When I spar I really don't try at all, because I know they're my teammates and if I really went for it, my style would be completely different. Then when I go somewhat harder, but still the same style, some of the guys think I'm trying to hurt them. Nah if I wanted to KO you I would need less than a minute and I would just hammer straight through your defense. Wouldn't even need to look for openings
I know that there's been some rare fencing injuries but I've always assumed that in fencing, where both people are completely armored up that it wouldn't matter if someone went hard or not. Is that not the case?
My coach used to tell me I was overly kind to most sparring partners. Regular sparring buddies became my best friends. I've only had a few bad experiences and they were always with new students who saw sparring as a fight.
You’re correct about that. One new student when asked why he going so hard in sparring said it was because he was afraid we were gonna hurt him. So he already put in his head that he’s gonna match His aggression against our experience and techniques.
@@roots808ndn8 Sparring is supposed to be fun. It was drilled in my head that sparring = practice, not a fight. I was taught to be careful of my partners safety.
Same, I've been told "You're too nice" many times. But if I see sparring is escalating I always tell the other person to chill or shoot lighter and usually they do, I prefer to do that than getting in a real fight.
There definitely is a skill discrepancy here. That already puts Jeff in the spot where he needs to be the adult. I mean, the footwork was off, his hands were low, he was closing his eyes. We wasn't really setting anything up either.
It is a lot like me. Most of the time my opponends out skill me,but my strength advantage typically allows me to get away with not as good technique. I am kind of like a short version of FRancis Nguaonno lol.
Great breakdown. I love Jeff's videos - he's posting that spicy sparring footage. I think you were spot on with this - that caught kick exchange is where it started.
none of that "spicy" footage is in a boxing gym cause last time he sparred a boxer who was going 5%. he got put on his ass while throwing those "dont hurt me punches".
@@Teddy-se8qb don't know why pillow hands fisty cuff fanboys try to gaslight some delusional superiority over MMA , I've owned many boxers in the ring but never been owned by a boxer in my cage. so when the rules and the pillows are off MMA dominates boxing. It's not a brag or a stretch it's just simply fact .
completely agree, when someone takes advantage of light/playful sparring it promotes going heavy, if someone catches your light kick and sweeps you on your ass, the next kick isnt going to be as light.
I interpreted Misha's looseness as him trying to make sure he pulls his strikes given he's the bigger guy with more potential mass behind his hits, but him being tired is also possible and would explain more. My view on this is that Jeff was trying to push the intensity up bit by bit, and Misha was coming up to meet him, but just under. I think you're right in that the punch when the kick got caught probably set it off, but I think that Misha may have misinterpreted Jeff's closing on him as him going for something based on that leg catch, so he reacted with the punch. If you look at the other catches, Jeff sort of stays where he is then drops it. This time, he moves forward before dropping it. Whether he was just regaining his balance, or just happened to move forward for no real reason I don't know, but I think that at this point Misha would have taken it as a moment to practice hitting someone who is trying to close to throw you over or something like that. After that I think a couple of Misha's hits might have hit a bit harder than intended (again drawing from the idea that he might have been tired) and Jeff took that as an excuse to escalate, having already felt slighted by the punch while holding the kick and it just sort of spiralled from there. I like the breakdown, would love to see more from you!
You are right about that last catch where Jeff acted a bit differently - probably Jeff was going to push Misha off balance and throw some followup strikes - I think it was a legit move for Misha to bop him with a cross so he stopped closing the distance and put his leg down.
Reminds me of when I went to try a different boxing club in my youth. They were quite intense during sparring. Even though I intended to hit back as lightly as I thought was right, my punches turned out about 1.5 times harder because of the adrenaline and because I felt threatened. When I noticed that I hit harder than usual I asked them if I was hitting too hard but they said it was OK. I was hitting harder than I *intended* because of the extra stress.
“Jeff shot first.” (IOW Jeff amped things up first, and then it escalated) Another dynamic at play here is speed vs power. Jeff is striking fast, but likely pulling his strikes so they don’t actually hit that hard. The big guy is interpreting “soft” sparring as “slow” sparring - slowing his strikes down so they don’t hit that hard. The problem is that if jeff misjudges even slightly, his fast strike is going to hit harder than he intended, especially if the other guy is moving in at the time of the strike. Bingo, instant escalation.
I don't think so, he let Misha take the pace for the first half of it, just letting kicks go and taking the punches. Misha continued being a bit tougher and more aggressive, and when Jeff came up to match him, Misha had enough.
I don't think it happened that suddenly. Jeff might be trying something new, but I think his very first leaping left hook was harder than anything else being thrown, and starting there is where Misha was annoyed. Because Jeff was sorta out of control from the beginning - look how often he stumbles around. I think Misha tried to play it cool for a long while after that, shaking off several strikes that he felt like weren't at the same intensity, but the dam broke for him finally and that's why he threw that cheeky punch while his kick was caught. I think Misha trying to be the adult is why he specifically didn't clean Jeff out with that right hand he pulled, it was a "Hey, look, I can be a dick too but I'm choosing not to be." I do agree though that getting hit while holding the leg is what sent Jeff over the edge, but I think he started the whole round out a couple notches more intense than Misha.
I sparred with Jeff at one of his seminars. He’s super fast and technical. He can touch up a lot of people repeatedly. It could get frustrating on the receiving end. I see a lot of people trying to make up for taking multiple hits by hitting back hard. And if you where wondering yes he pieced 🥊 me up 😂
@@hard2hurt Mike from what I understand about the brain, it has a very hard time perceiving objects moving straight forwards at our eyes. Hence why the jab and like you say front kick are so effective. Same with that bizzaro punch you demonstrate where you jump forwards after missing a jab but still holding your jabbing arm out. If it’s moving in a straight line directly at your eyes the brain is going to perceive it as very fast.
why would jeff go faster than the guy he is sparring; it's supposed to be a learning experience, not who can point fight better. Jeff should be slowing down to the speed of his partners. I always hate it when i go at 70% and my partner counters at 90%. it doesn't make sense.
Jeff sacrifices power and combinations by throwing awkward shots from very odd angles that leave him vulnerable to counters or getting clinched. He reaches too far to land just one shot which in a real fight just might be a knockout but in sparring you can't improve if you only rely on what already works
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I used to watch Jeff's videos a few years back. But it seems like he always had to go harder and faster than his sparring partner. Seems like a very polite, gentleman. But, his needing to win made the asshole come out of him.
@@PARCE93 I don't think that is the reason, because his performance at ONEFC spoke for itself. I do agree that he does go harder than expected sometimes, which was evident in the video where he went to the Korean gym, he ended up doing MMA during a KB sparring session.
@@PARCE93 I've been training in martial arts for almost 20 years. Jeff is much better than average at tempo control. In an ideal world increase in skill means in increase in control but i've almost never seen this as the case. Also those who spar easy fight easy so I really don't fault him for sparring too hard occasionally. It sounds barbaric but to gain the grit to fight in a ring or a cage you must be in some controlled battles or wars to have the experience to be confident. Cheers
I just had this last Sunday where I felt like a total asshole. I've always been avoiding those heavy-hitters who wants to go hard (avoided sparring for 1,5-2 years since I was so afraid of getting hit) and suddenly - last Sunday - I was one of those I, myself, had been avoiding. I told my partners I was *tremendously sorry* several times and that I felt that I had become (during that session) the thing I despised in sparring. Lot's of hugs and I felt embarrassed till this day. Sparring in 1,5 hour, and I'll give more hugs and punches today ❤
I am an ekrimador, along with studying many other martial arts over the last 30 years, and I have been watching your channel for years now brother, and I have only just consciously realised that one of the main things that appeal to me is the way you are always having fun and enjoying yourself, along with your deep seated love and appreciation for the martial arts, and informative points and insights... I just wanted to express my appreciation, and to let you know that I love your work. Max respect, Sensei Mike.🙏✌️
Good stuff and I agree with your detective work. I appreciate these videos as well. My Dad and I have always wanted to get into boxing and some light sparring together. That never happened and 20 years passed. When the pandemic hit, I purchased some boxing equipment, found your videos, subscribed, and got to work. I've been getting my Dad psyched about boxing again. We're always sharing little tips and such via text and all of your video types have been beneficial. I'll likely reference key concepts discussed here in the near future. As a viewer, it's important to learn something. I come to your channel to learn and/or help someone else learn, and you always deliver. I say keep doing these reviews, as long as there's something to learn in the end.
I watch mmashredded ALOT and i would say. Ive actually learned alot watching him and use things he does in my own local gym. I myself find him really informative considering I myself am a shorter guy (5 '8). Especially when I spar taller guys.. i also watch u brother. Keep up the great content..
Man, great video! I also subscribed to MMAShredded after watching your intro. Initially I thought the lunging punches from Jeff had a little more impact than other hits due to follow-through, but after watching your breakdown I think I agree with you. Awesome content
brilliant analysis and very fun to watch. As for Jeff supposedly escalating things and not communicating properly in sparring as some have suggested, I beg to differ. Jeff is a teacher. And the lesson these guy get is all about showing respect. Like they say, hit as hard as you wanna get hit or: do not mistake my kindness for weakness, even in sparring. Jeff was playing and the other guy broke his toy, go figure.
Without watching your take: Jeff's gazelle hook and straight right hand after the leg kick frustrated Misha. He kept getting tagged so Misha upped the intensity to keep Jeff at bay, but Jeff bumped it up in response and it kept going from there
The knee was the first level of Jeff’s patience. It was a gradual escalation after that because big guy doesn’t have good big man game! Especially considering the size difference
I think this is why sparring has the potential to make you a better person. You get to have these small pockets of conflict and practice to reel it back. Sparring is best when it's right on the line, where you're getting pressure but without getting emotional or physically hurt after all.
I’ve sparred with Jeff (he has a brief clip of it on his channel under ‘Sparring Bellator fighter’) He’s one of the most fun and respectful sparring partners I’ve ever had. In this vid. That guy ‘takes inventory’ a LOT during this and all the head nodding tells me he’s irritated and that leads to escalation and chippy shots when Jeff is otherwise relaxed.
Yes. I reacted to that little extra hold and push on the catch just as you did. In review, Misha had to hop so he was definitely being pushed over, and that led to an escalation. Kudos to Jeff Chan as usual. He has a lot of skills and insights (and excellent nutrition tips).
I literally have the vid you are talking about to the right of my suggestion vids right now. Dude is a skilled and smart fighter, Ive learned SOOO much about casually tripping opponents from him!!! 😈😎😇
Way to keep it 💯. It did start to tic up around that moment. I think that little superman punch kind of got Mesha to turn it up too. But high praise to Mesha for stopping it before it ruined a friendship.
I love your breakdowns. It's some of the most interesting content on your channel. The real benefit for me is that it gives me a reference for how to talk about this kind of stuff with my friends and teammates. Great stuff!
When I viewed the video of Jeff sparring, I responded pretty much the same way. It was Jeff that started it. In sparring it happens. Usually both people start off common collective and then when one shot gets in, The sparring gets turned up another level. Very common. It was a good video. Appreciate Jeff for sharing and you for breaking it down.
I think it was the exchange right before where you claim it started, where Jeff was leaning, baited the shot and then threw an uppercut and the overhand right, that's where it escalated for me, the overhand was way stronger than the punch Misha connected when Jeff catched his kick and it all went downhill from there.
I like the breakdown type of videos because it does show different interpretations of the fight not only from you but also from the comment section. My initial interpretation of the video is that around 7:49 (3:50 at the original video), the fight intensity shifted when Jeff landing that superman punch. With that, your interpretation made sense on how that particular scene developed. On a side note, you can use "," and "." keys in order to analyze videos frame by frame.
Like I said on the video, sometimes sparring gets heated. It just happens. It speaks volumes when you get heated and know when to stop. In this case, Misha (the taller gent), decided it was time to stop before things escalated too much. Honestly I saw both guys throwing potatoes after a while. It was a great video showing what one MUST do when things get heated.
Jeff is a fantastic martial artist and I learn something from each of his vids. He’s owned credit for the escalation of the arms race. But it’s human nature! It happens allll the time. All you can do is communicate, apologize, and RESPECT each other!
Love your videos Mike and always find myself nodding and agreeing on your insights. I´d like to note on psychological factor that plays a lot in sparring is that people tend to feel like the forces applied to them are grater than the forces they apply to others. So people usually feel like they´re being hit harder than they hit back, and so they escalate, and then their partner feels the same, and so they escalate, and so on and so on. More experienced people tend to accomodate for that, but i think is one of the reasons lower and mid levels usualy start a sparring season going light and end up harder and harder by the end.
Jeff is easily one of the nicest and humblest guys out there. It’s not easy to get the guy heated at all, but it’s fighting and this stuff happens. Good on Jeff for putting his stuff out there.
Your dead right bro 🤟 it is fighting and I think Jeff just put the pace up a little but how do U get better under pressure! It's by being pressured! I've lived and fought in Thailand and you won't cut it there unless you have been through great pressure ,and yes most of the time they make sparring a game but that's after there skill level is high but these guys have been through more pressure than most westerners from training since they were very young ,basically when we were in primary school living a soft life they were fighting!
I have quite a few of Jeff Chan’s sparring videos and he seems to enjoy sparring with less experienced folks. Not a problem normally except that he goes at a higher pace than they are comfortable with. He wouldn’t have these experiences if he was at a gym with more experienced fighters. Btw, no offense to the other guy but he is not either a pro or high level amateur.
Jeff goes hard based on the partners power applied i am the same and i feel its disrespect to try and take my head off without telling me beforehand that were going to War now understand thats when i say lets go and its all respect but dont be a punk and turn it up out of the blue and start swinging like an ape cause ill turn it up bit by bit not with power but with skill first then horsepower if needed but really thats the last thing even needed.
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@@jamesmiles1328 This is literally the same list as mine edit: I don't have sensei seth in my list; he has a good channel but I think fight tips has better technique contents
Great breakdown. Takes a very experienced fighter to recognise the subtlety and when things just start to get heated. We all do it some people are arseholes who escalate on purpose sometimes it just gets gradually more serious and as you say to pull back is what makes you the man
Great video. I'd be into more sparring commentary / breakdowns. I watched the video originally and missed a few points of interest within what went down and felt your commentary did give me me a good insight into psychology from the perspective of someone who has done a fair amount of sparring. Keep up the quality content 👌
I left my comment on Jeff's video. We touch on similar points of the video but the distinction is who I think initiated the escalation. Without question, Jeff ran away with it at the end. But since he was letting Misha get away with a lot at the beginning, I think Misha gradually got more vigorous, especially with how he just kept charging in and using his reach to push Jeff around. It was good for Misha to call it at the end, but I don't think it makes Jeff the one who started it.
My original take was that Jeff started ramping it up at that jumping left hook exchange. I didn’t really notice that knee at first but once you pointed it out it makes sense.
Haha hard2hurt you picked that up too! When I saw Jeff’s jaw snap around I knew that was where it started. Good eye that you picked up on how gentle Jeff was being with the other guys kicks though, and the other guy had thrown the right hand off of the kick that he caught.
The moment where Misha drops his hands and shakes them is the point where he was frustrated; we had seen him pull at least one right hand, and then after that he pulls a couple of other shots to the head, but Jeff connects with his lunging hook, jab and right. So Misha has been trying to be extremely diplomatic with landing blows to the head, but Jeff is not returning that courtesy. So Jeff gets upset when Misha finally decides that he's tired of being the only one taking straight rights to the head when he throws that one while his leg is in the air.
When i spar, i start throwing harder but sloppier punches because i get tired... So i kinda compensate pretending im not tired, and it starts looking like a brawl. They seem to get (too) tired by the end as well.
I think because the big guy started out tired and sluggish, when he reacted to the kick being caught with the quick strike, it made other guy speed up to match the intensity of that moment, causing a chain reaction of increasing intensity until the end of sparring.
Love the breakdown. To me a knee would always escalate something if it wasnt agreed. I don't Jeff was going all that hard. For the smaller fighter, I think you have to move a little faster and spring in more which might make you look aggressive and may be your shot landing a little heavier. Jeffs right on partners chin was pretty heavy but if knees werent agreed...well...fair exchange!
I feel like when it comes to knees and elbows in sparring, that’s where Jeff’s partner threw to hard. It’s one thing to throw 70% power punch vs. a 70% knee.
I came away with a different conclusion but I’ll admit your argument is convincing. I’d have been a bit annoyed if my good manners were disrespected like that in a light spar too.
Dead on. It was the cheeky check shot from the caught kick that ramped the energy up. And yes it was Jeff ramping it. I went off and watched the original video first. It's pretty easy to see if you spar a decent amount.
Nice breakdown....I watched the spar and couldn't quite work it out! I like the breakdown style videos by the way. They are mega helpful I find for seeing stuff in a faster pace more realistic situation.
I feel like Jeffs skill level is so much higher than so many of the guys he has a chance to spar with its hard not to seem like he is bullying when he's not... He could have been tagging the other guy up the whole time but reserved it for a spicy moment of seemingly mutual exchanges. I notice on higher level guys he can go entire rounds close to this intensity and no one gets hurt. When your power level is high and you love the sport its like the true self is triggered when the energy goes above a certain level. Good that hes nice enough guy to admit he likes the smoke and wants to chill for the sake of others. But hey play with tigers you really need to make sure your claws are sharp too or your skins very tough...
Watched the original, and I think with every clench it started escalating little by little; and they both were getting heated equally. But I believe Misha got heated faster than Jeff with every leg catch and hit that Jeff got in. So I'm calling it on Misha.
so much wisdom shared here and especially at the end of this video. lots of other fighting sports can take a lesson from this. Thanks for sharing. Great work as always from this channel.
loved this breakdown - knew that cross after the leg catch was annoying as hell and jeff's leg kick right after was the act of war. been there hahah BTW the wrong original vid link is in your description!
I noted that exact point too when I went to watch it. Jeff had been letting his kicks down and then out of no where, Misha hits him on one of those leg catches.
Totally agree , those non technical lowkicks dont do damage but can really bother , And the punch after catching the kick thats the first hint to feel it got escalated Great analysis 👍
Your analysis is spot on in my opinion. During a sparring session I had when I was around 17/18 a similar thing happened to me. We were specifically instructed to gently lower anyone’s foot to the ground if you caught a kick. I must have caught around a dozen kicks from this guy over the course of the round. On the final one I caught, as I lowered he decided to sucker punch me full force in the kidney. If the round hadn’t ended literally 2 seconds later I can promise you it wouldn’t have just been a sparring session anymore.
Perfect equation for consistent sparring: 20/50/100 rule 20-30%- Head strikes (precent CTE) 50-60%- Body strikes (precent cracked ribs) 80-100%- Leg strikes (legs are tough)
I think Icy Mike is spot on. There is also a telling nod by Misha in the original video at 3:57 after an exchange where Jeff's strikes and kicks had some added steam and Misha returned a kick with added steam in response and the nod seems to be saying, "Hey, I can add steam too, let's bring it down a notch."
I don't think that he was just letting the caught kicks go. It looks to me, and I might be wrong, that he's holding the kicks too long for light-spar etiquette. You either need to do something with the caught kick or let it go fairly quick, rather than letting him sit there and hop around until he gets his leg off your arm; after all, the kicks are not necessarily caught because of superior skill; rather, the kicks are caught because you take so much stank off of them that it makes them slow. Also, the dude is tired. I think that he got frustrated because dude kept holding his leg up too long when it's clearly slow and, therefore, catchable because he didn't want to hurt the dude.
Tall Guy was 100% for whatever reason, a lot more Tired than Jeff when this started. Bad Day, No sleep, Hard training who knows, but you can tell he was already more tired. I have seen and noticed in the past and seen others in the comments noticed as well Jeff will sometimes push it as the aggressor in kind of an immature way sometimes! You just have to be able to check your Ego at the Gym Door a little bit which is easier said than done but all in all this was not really bad at all thanks to Misha saying all right I see where this is going and it's pointless That right there tells you he has his Ego more in Check already. Great Video
Just because you’re overwhelming your sparring partner doesn’t mean you’re “escalating” the sparring. Part of sparring is learning how to deal with that, if you get emotional and start spazzing out cuz you can’t deal with it that’s on you.
Fun breakdown, I originally thought the spicescalation happened later in the round but tend to agree with this BD - getting your head turned is NEVER going to be ignored
switch flurry at 3:52 poured the gasoline, 3:56 set it off because that's two flush and solid strikes that landed in such a short span of time, which can understandably be frustrating. this resulted in drawing out the first hard counter he threw in the round, i.e. the low kick
LOL! love your videos, you crack me up man. This was a really good (and funny) breakdown, and DEAD ON. Yes I also agree Misha did take the high road in this one and I need to work on that!
I still stand by the knee starting it in your head. You were pulling punches back first then after the knee you start to stick them more still not hard but after that kick then you start going harder
I am sorry for saying that, Jeff, but you got mad on a partner. It happens sometimes because we all commit mistakes, but i guess it doesn’t worth it, because a friendship should be a lot bigger than our ego.
Just saying, brother. I keep my eyes on your great work. You are a great fighter. Greetings from Brazil. Osu!
Frankly I’m just waiting for a collab woth you guys when the borders open up
[TL;DR] Catching roundhouse kicks -- *specifically* around the *outside* of the leg, *after* it has stuck home -- and then *holding* the leg in the air really REALLY annoys some (most?) people. Was it even reasonable to claim the catch of that kick in the first place? Hmmm. If it really was a valid catch, immediately demonstrate your follow-up. Don't make people hop about: that just sh!ts people to tears. If you do make people hop, expect to get punched in the face. Why shouldn't they? You didn't finished the exchange, so it is still GAME ON.
Explanation -- I realise you guys know the mechanics of sparring, so when I explain the bleeding obvious, it is for clarity. (I hope!) I'll try not to bore you or annoy you. No promises. ;-)
Ok -- I am *not* against catching kicks (in sparring or in the wild): if you've specifically blocked or, say, cut the gap on the kick such that your body is now at their thigh, then you've every right to catch that leg and (immediately) illustrate that your next move would have been something that would hurt.
ON THE OTHER HAND, if they have thrown a slow-arse kick (because we're doing light sparring) that has *still* made it through your defence and landed on you -- do you *really* think it is *reasonable* to catch that leg? [Note: Misha was throwing driving kicks -- not snapping his kicks. Thus, they have to be super slow to provide light contact.]
If you think "YES, it is totally reasonable" ... then I guess you can hold that leg in the air. In some cases, I might agree with "yes". For a thigh kick ... that's usually a tough ask.
So, I generally go "NOPE!!" If I've instinctively caught that kick that has landed (but pretty much only because it was so slow, etc.), I'll drop it straight away -- like I never caught it to begin with. I usually don't think catching a *landed* kick like that is at all reasonable -- I believe if you were to throw a kick where you have pivoted your supporting foot, rolled your hips, driven that kick through and dropped your body weight on it, then the chances that I (or anyone) will catch that kick after it lands home is super slim. Even less so if it is aimed below waist height (e.g., thigh) and is on a flat or downward trajectory. [Really STUPID (ineffectual) kicks deserve to be caught to teach people "STOP THAT" -- you know what I mean.]
Anyway, as that is my perspective, it often annoys me when people catch my leg like that, hold it up and force me to hop about till *they* decide that they've shown me who won that exchange. Really? You sure, Chief?
This can be a particular problem with significantly less skilled partners who don't recognise that they just had their head knocked off.
Now, in your defence, Misha *often* doesn't pivot his rear foot well and (therefore) often doesn't roll his hips over well -- making his leg easier to catch. I'm still thinking "not reasonable" to catch most of those kicks, though. If you're willing to take random advice off the internet, perhaps suggest to Misha that he look at the pivot of his rear foot on those kicks. ;-)
P.S. there were at least two (perhaps more) lunging hooks or supermans that you didn't moderate your contact well. Yes, it's difficult with those -- not trying to make you feel bad on that front. Still, contact was made. But, NO acknowledgement of the mistake was given. *Now*, I am trying to make you feel chastised. ;-)
U re a fighter jeff i guess, u just need to work on that switch button when u not in fight, but at the same time don t forget to switch it on from time to time. "take one to give a better one" this is not a ego thing, trully this is fighting. Maybe u need more opportunity to let ur iner fighter go out..
My coach once said "Did you win because you won or because I wasn't trying to hurt you?"
Wise words
he should of hurt you. that would of been a better lesson.
Yup
Love that
😂😂😂😂 tell ya coach go run laps
@Praw-Too-Ehleem because I was/am a clueless beginner and we were doing basic footwork stuff
Usually I keep it chill I sparring by nodding or saying nice when someone catches me, and giving my partner a breather when I land a few clean shots
Yeah i do the same as you, i acknowledge and compliment thier hits on me as it shows i am not mad or too serious about it while boosting thier confidence and also giving them a break or allow them a chance after i land on them.
I remember boxing with my homeboy once and he caught me flush with the cleanest hook- split second of a pause where he was concerned and I congratulated him and we moved on.
Yeah you never wanna go hard in a gym
Beginners especially someone will answer you
Yeah I've seen partners break their arm or tear their retinal and makes me think that it isn't worth it to ego fight in the gym. Save it for a real fight or a life or death situation.
Just yesterday I was sparring with a brown belt (I'm black belt) who's younger than me, quite athletic, and quite aggressive . I was giving him some nice shots, quite controlling him, and then, he surprised me with a great hook kick to the head. He did it very good and controlled, so I grated him and said "very nice!" and continued sparring. I think that's the way to keep it in a good atmosphere
Hahaha love it. Great message at the end - everybody take note!
what are you doing here? jajja ; )
FIGHT TIPS!!! Miss you man, what you been up to?
Tips to fight like mcgregor ?
@@kadencaldwellhookers n blow, really invigorates the fighting spirit!
Hey shane, why haven't ever done a colab with Jeff ?
Honestly whenever Jeff gets into a sparring argument, I find one key thing he almost always does wrong, is he never stops the fight whenever he feels something is wrong and instead continues it, and eventually he himself getting angry, I feel this is especially true with the TKD guy he recently faced.
Whenever I sparred, it was basically a unwritten rule in my gym, the moment you felt something was off u would just make the time out hand sign and talk about the sparring intensity real quick and then continue.
A rule I would also do with partners is id ask them to punch or kick my hand (on the palm of course) and just bluntly say "hit it as hard as you want to get hit and we will go from there" Which gave me a solid indicator what type of sparring match my partner wanted. To this day I only had one incident with a sparring partner after near hundreds and that was frankly because the kid i was facing was being abit of a punk trying to prove he was more then what he was even though i told him to cool it. Other then that these two golden rules have kept me out of sparring issues.
Personally, I feel if you are someone who is repetitively running into sparring partner issues, then perhaps you are the problem.
Love Jeff but I feel his sparring communication could use some work.
Edit; This comment is now 7 months old so if you join in on the discussion keep in mind its been almost a year and my criticism on jeff are out dated.
Yup thats what I noticed for awhile as well.
I ask my trainees that when sparring, the more experienced one should always keep assessing and be the one to descalate should the heat gets too hot.
agree, Jeff often lets his hands and legs go too much
@@Khristos13 Glad to see i'm not the only one who noticed these things, was pretty scared to make a comment against Jeff, for i was thinking "shit, all the jeff fan boys are going to eat my ass for saying this" but honestly I see it happen in almost every video where he asks us to analyze what happened.
Like if your partner hits to hard, just ask for a time out on the match and tell them to tone it down abit, takes literally four seconds dude.
The hand striking before sparring rounds is actually genius cuz it actually gives a barometer of how hard to hit instead of just saying “how hard do you wanna go?”
Bro im taking your lead here but i am a small fighter im 5ft 6 and weigh 155 walking around and cause if that i often piss off anybody slightly bigger then me when i land shots or out point them with light shots and also somehow men always feel threatened round me even when im being nice or respectful and thus i let guya try to go ham cause i can take a shot i can give it BUT i prefer to calm my mind in the heat of the moment and then out point but not hurt the guy im sparring now this was all good until i sparred a Heavyweight 230 pounds who trained muay thai and ways sparred with me but never pushed his luck good we start and its normal im tired and were not landing hard etc. Then suddenly bam he throws a full power left hook to right cross combo sending me flying and i was like Wtf so i said cool i will turn it up but by max 10% and i did and peppered him till he said timeout my other partners i tend to go much harder with so i knew the power was not enough to do damage but the volume was a bit much cool he never ever tried that again cause i wanted to teach him that there is levels and that sparring should be practice not a fight so i opted for upping skills not power if i wanted to hurt him i wouldve thrown full force body shots and high low combos and 1000% i would have slept him but again im there to learn not let my ego go wild.
So, I've never done MMA, but I fenced competitively and I have a story from that time that could be relevant to this situation.
I had a friend who was in the same fencing club, but didn't compete so there was a skill disparity. One day after we had been sparring I find out in the car that when I'm being light and playful during sparring, he thinks I'm being an arrogant dick because I'm condescending to him because I'm not taking him seriously enough or something along those lines.
We were young, so that was one of the first times I realized how completely differently people could be seeing things during sparring...
Thanks for sharing. This story really resonated with me. I think I've messed up with this kind of thing a few times.
I have learned that some people, no matter their skill level, do not like to see their partner smile, or say stuff like "nice shot", because it seems like they aren't taking the session seriously. The more openly respectful you think you are being to your partner, the more disrespectful you can come across. I don't think this holds true for everyone, but it's certainly something to look out for with new partners (or if you find yourself in a new gym).
I've also found that asking some beginners about what intensity of sparring they'd prefer can go down really poorly, as if you trying to dictate the terms of engagement (maybe?).
I also totally agree with the final point made in the breakdown about feeling bad after a weird sparring moment. We put our safety in the hands (and feet!) of others during sparring. Maybe we feel so bad because we recognise that a very important bond of trust has been violated? I dunno.
How did you find out?
@@jcpbd1776
We carpooled and he told me in the car.
Yeah same thing with me. When I spar I really don't try at all, because I know they're my teammates and if I really went for it, my style would be completely different. Then when I go somewhat harder, but still the same style, some of the guys think I'm trying to hurt them.
Nah if I wanted to KO you I would need less than a minute and I would just hammer straight through your defense. Wouldn't even need to look for openings
I know that there's been some rare fencing injuries but I've always assumed that in fencing, where both people are completely armored up that it wouldn't matter if someone went hard or not. Is that not the case?
My coach used to tell me I was overly kind to most sparring partners. Regular sparring buddies became my best friends. I've only had a few bad experiences and they were always with new students who saw sparring as a fight.
I have the same problem. My coach wants me to blow the head off my sparring partners but I only hit them hard on leg kicks. Idk if I'm at fault or not
You’re correct about that. One new student when asked why he going so hard in sparring said it was because he was afraid we were gonna hurt him. So he already put in his head that he’s gonna match His aggression against our experience and techniques.
@@roots808ndn8 Sparring is supposed to be fun. It was drilled in my head that sparring = practice, not a fight. I was taught to be careful of my partners safety.
Same, I've been told "You're too nice" many times. But if I see sparring is escalating I always tell the other person to chill or shoot lighter and usually they do, I prefer to do that than getting in a real fight.
@@MingerHarrier I agree. Frankly, I loved sparring and saw it as a great way to make friends. Some guys take it far too seriously.
There definitely is a skill discrepancy here. That already puts Jeff in the spot where he needs to be the adult. I mean, the footwork was off, his hands were low, he was closing his eyes. We wasn't really setting anything up either.
It is a lot like me. Most of the time my opponends out skill me,but my strength advantage typically allows me to get away with not as good technique. I am kind of like a short version of FRancis Nguaonno lol.
@@JoeyCentral Ngannou is super skilled since his last two performances.
@@twigsagan3857 everyone is super skilled bro..:
Pretty sure he was just tired
@@dropsixteentvtv4149 how does that explain that weird walk towards Jeff? No this was a skill discrepancy. A big one at that.
Great breakdown. I love Jeff's videos - he's posting that spicy sparring footage.
I think you were spot on with this - that caught kick exchange is where it started.
none of that "spicy" footage is in a boxing gym cause last time he sparred a boxer who was going 5%. he got put on his ass while throwing those "dont hurt me punches".
@@Teddy-se8qb uh ok
@@Teddy-se8qb lmao he would fucking starch a boxer with even a single leg kick. Don't pretend like boxers are tough shit
@@Teddy-se8qb don't know why pillow hands fisty cuff fanboys try to gaslight some delusional superiority over MMA , I've owned many boxers in the ring but never been owned by a boxer in my cage. so when the rules and the pillows are off MMA dominates boxing. It's not a brag or a stretch it's just simply fact .
completely agree, when someone takes advantage of light/playful sparring it promotes going heavy, if someone catches your light kick and sweeps you on your ass, the next kick isnt going to be as light.
I interpreted Misha's looseness as him trying to make sure he pulls his strikes given he's the bigger guy with more potential mass behind his hits, but him being tired is also possible and would explain more. My view on this is that Jeff was trying to push the intensity up bit by bit, and Misha was coming up to meet him, but just under. I think you're right in that the punch when the kick got caught probably set it off, but I think that Misha may have misinterpreted Jeff's closing on him as him going for something based on that leg catch, so he reacted with the punch.
If you look at the other catches, Jeff sort of stays where he is then drops it. This time, he moves forward before dropping it. Whether he was just regaining his balance, or just happened to move forward for no real reason I don't know, but I think that at this point Misha would have taken it as a moment to practice hitting someone who is trying to close to throw you over or something like that.
After that I think a couple of Misha's hits might have hit a bit harder than intended (again drawing from the idea that he might have been tired) and Jeff took that as an excuse to escalate, having already felt slighted by the punch while holding the kick and it just sort of spiralled from there.
I like the breakdown, would love to see more from you!
You are right about that last catch where Jeff acted a bit differently - probably Jeff was going to push Misha off balance and throw some followup strikes - I think it was a legit move for Misha to bop him with a cross so he stopped closing the distance and put his leg down.
Reminds me of when I went to try a different boxing club in my youth. They were quite intense during sparring. Even though I intended to hit back as lightly as I thought was right, my punches turned out about 1.5 times harder because of the adrenaline and because I felt threatened. When I noticed that I hit harder than usual I asked them if I was hitting too hard but they said it was OK. I was hitting harder than I *intended* because of the extra stress.
I think everyone (myself included) needs to catch WAY less kicks in this pace of sparring. It is not realistic for either person.
Man, you hit the nail on the head. The counter punch to the caught kick is when it all started to go south. Great breakdown.
“Jeff shot first.”
(IOW Jeff amped things up first, and then it escalated)
Another dynamic at play here is speed vs power. Jeff is striking fast, but likely pulling his strikes so they don’t actually hit that hard. The big guy is interpreting “soft” sparring as “slow” sparring - slowing his strikes down so they don’t hit that hard.
The problem is that if jeff misjudges even slightly, his fast strike is going to hit harder than he intended, especially if the other guy is moving in at the time of the strike. Bingo, instant escalation.
I don't think so, he let Misha take the pace for the first half of it, just letting kicks go and taking the punches. Misha continued being a bit tougher and more aggressive, and when Jeff came up to match him, Misha had enough.
I don't think it happened that suddenly. Jeff might be trying something new, but I think his very first leaping left hook was harder than anything else being thrown, and starting there is where Misha was annoyed. Because Jeff was sorta out of control from the beginning - look how often he stumbles around. I think Misha tried to play it cool for a long while after that, shaking off several strikes that he felt like weren't at the same intensity, but the dam broke for him finally and that's why he threw that cheeky punch while his kick was caught. I think Misha trying to be the adult is why he specifically didn't clean Jeff out with that right hand he pulled, it was a "Hey, look, I can be a dick too but I'm choosing not to be." I do agree though that getting hit while holding the leg is what sent Jeff over the edge, but I think he started the whole round out a couple notches more intense than Misha.
Yep, good eye you have
One of my favorites too. Jeff’s breakdowns have been extremely valuable to me and my training partners. “Spicy left hook” - I love it. Stealing it
It's called gazelle hook as well. If you want to look up vids on it.
I sparred with Jeff at one of his seminars. He’s super fast and technical. He can touch up a lot of people repeatedly. It could get frustrating on the receiving end. I see a lot of people trying to make up for taking multiple hits by hitting back hard.
And if you where wondering yes he pieced 🥊 me up 😂
in my experience people are faster than they appear on camera, and he already looks fast
@@hard2hurt Mike from what I understand about the brain, it has a very hard time perceiving objects moving straight forwards at our eyes. Hence why the jab and like you say front kick are so effective. Same with that bizzaro punch you demonstrate where you jump forwards after missing a jab but still holding your jabbing arm out. If it’s moving in a straight line directly at your eyes the brain is going to perceive it as very fast.
why would jeff go faster than the guy he is sparring; it's supposed to be a learning experience, not who can point fight better. Jeff should be slowing down to the speed of his partners. I always hate it when i go at 70% and my partner counters at 90%. it doesn't make sense.
Jeff sacrifices power and combinations by throwing awkward shots from very odd angles that leave him vulnerable to counters or getting clinched. He reaches too far to land just one shot which in a real fight just might be a knockout but in sparring you can't improve if you only rely on what already works
icy mike : yeah, this is a brilliant video idea.
also icy mike : Nate doesn't know yet, but i'm about to escalate the sparring a little bit
icy after a short hiatus : yeah i'm still wearing the neck brace and here are some of the advantages of wearing one in a self defense situation
Fun fact: at the same time as the Lincoln assassination, someone also repeatedly stabbed the Secretary of State William Seward while he was lying in a bed recovering from a broke jaw and other injuries. Most likely, the brace Seward was wearing saved his life by redirecting the knife away from vital areas.
I used to watch Jeff's videos a few years back. But it seems like he always had to go harder and faster than his sparring partner. Seems like a very polite, gentleman. But, his needing to win made the asshole come out of him.
Because he has something to prove to his viewers
@@PARCE93 I don't think that is the reason, because his performance at ONEFC spoke for itself. I do agree that he does go harder than expected sometimes, which was evident in the video where he went to the Korean gym, he ended up doing MMA during a KB sparring session.
@@GhilenPeek Wasn't it the other way around?
I remember Jeff's sparring partner did the MMA thing.
@@PARCE93 I've been training in martial arts for almost 20 years. Jeff is much better than average at tempo control. In an ideal world increase in skill means in increase in control but i've almost never seen this as the case. Also those who spar easy fight easy so I really don't fault him for sparring too hard occasionally. It sounds barbaric but to gain the grit to fight in a ring or a cage you must be in some controlled battles or wars to have the experience to be confident. Cheers
Uh nah, you’re imagining things. It’s always good solid sparring. Don’t see him having an ego problem at all compared to other guys out there.
I just had this last Sunday where I felt like a total asshole.
I've always been avoiding those heavy-hitters who wants to go hard (avoided sparring for 1,5-2 years since I was so afraid of getting hit) and suddenly - last Sunday - I was one of those I, myself, had been avoiding.
I told my partners I was *tremendously sorry* several times and that I felt that I had become (during that session) the thing I despised in sparring.
Lot's of hugs and I felt embarrassed till this day. Sparring in 1,5 hour, and I'll give more hugs and punches today ❤
I am an ekrimador, along with studying many other martial arts over the last 30 years, and I have been watching your channel for years now brother, and I have only just consciously realised that one of the main things that appeal to me is the way you are always having fun and enjoying yourself, along with your deep seated love and appreciation for the martial arts, and informative points and insights...
I just wanted to express my appreciation, and to let you know that I love your work.
Max respect, Sensei Mike.🙏✌️
This was cool. Thank you for reacting and thank Jeff for posting the original video.
Been waiting for this man!!
Good stuff and I agree with your detective work. I appreciate these videos as well. My Dad and I have always wanted to get into boxing and some light sparring together. That never happened and 20 years passed. When the pandemic hit, I purchased some boxing equipment, found your videos, subscribed, and got to work. I've been getting my Dad psyched about boxing again. We're always sharing little tips and such via text and all of your video types have been beneficial. I'll likely reference key concepts discussed here in the near future. As a viewer, it's important to learn something. I come to your channel to learn and/or help someone else learn, and you always deliver. I say keep doing these reviews, as long as there's something to learn in the end.
I watch mmashredded ALOT and i would say. Ive actually learned alot watching him and use things he does in my own local gym. I myself find him really informative considering I myself am a shorter guy (5 '8). Especially when I spar taller guys.. i also watch u brother. Keep up the great content..
Man, great video! I also subscribed to MMAShredded after watching your intro. Initially I thought the lunging punches from Jeff had a little more impact than other hits due to follow-through, but after watching your breakdown I think I agree with you. Awesome content
brilliant analysis and very fun to watch. As for Jeff supposedly escalating things and not communicating properly in sparring as some have suggested, I beg to differ. Jeff is a teacher. And the lesson these guy get is all about showing respect. Like they say, hit as hard as you wanna get hit or: do not mistake my kindness for weakness, even in sparring. Jeff was playing and the other guy broke his toy, go figure.
Great video and love Jeff Chan and his channel. He's in my top 3 for his honesty and value in his frame of reference in his videos
Without watching your take: Jeff's gazelle hook and straight right hand after the leg kick frustrated Misha. He kept getting tagged so Misha upped the intensity to keep Jeff at bay, but Jeff bumped it up in response and it kept going from there
i love your stuff when its straight mma , no weapons no fooling around , all mma or fighting ! thanks for your work mike ! ♥
The knee was the first level of Jeff’s patience. It was a gradual escalation after that because big guy doesn’t have good big man game! Especially considering the size difference
Love to see you look at some of Jeff's content. Keep it up, Mike!
I think this is why sparring has the potential to make you a better person. You get to have these small pockets of conflict and practice to reel it back. Sparring is best when it's right on the line, where you're getting pressure but without getting emotional or physically hurt after all.
I’ve sparred with Jeff (he has a brief clip of it on his channel under ‘Sparring Bellator fighter’)
He’s one of the most fun and respectful sparring partners I’ve ever had.
In this vid. That guy ‘takes inventory’ a LOT during this and all the head nodding tells me he’s irritated and that leads to escalation and chippy shots when Jeff is otherwise relaxed.
Yes. I reacted to that little extra hold and push on the catch just as you did. In review, Misha had to hop so he was definitely being pushed over, and that led to an escalation. Kudos to Jeff Chan as usual. He has a lot of skills and insights (and excellent nutrition tips).
Great video! Just goes to tell you how brilliant Jeff’s new segment is
I literally have the vid you are talking about to the right of my suggestion vids right now. Dude is a skilled and smart fighter, Ive learned SOOO much about casually tripping opponents from him!!! 😈😎😇
Way to keep it 💯. It did start to tic up around that moment. I think that little superman punch kind of got Mesha to turn it up too. But high praise to Mesha for stopping it before it ruined a friendship.
Really like the design of your breakdown format. Layout is 👍
I love your breakdowns. It's some of the most interesting content on your channel. The real benefit for me is that it gives me a reference for how to talk about this kind of stuff with my friends and teammates. Great stuff!
When I viewed the video of Jeff sparring, I responded pretty much the same way. It was Jeff that started it. In sparring it happens. Usually both people start off common collective and then when one shot gets in, The sparring gets turned up another level. Very common. It was a good video. Appreciate Jeff for sharing and you for breaking it down.
I think it was the exchange right before where you claim it started, where Jeff was leaning, baited the shot and then threw an uppercut and the overhand right, that's where it escalated for me, the overhand was way stronger than the punch Misha connected when Jeff catched his kick and it all went downhill from there.
I thought the same thing
I like the breakdown type of videos because it does show different interpretations of the fight not only from you but also from the comment section. My initial interpretation of the video is that around 7:49 (3:50 at the original video), the fight intensity shifted when Jeff landing that superman punch. With that, your interpretation made sense on how that particular scene developed.
On a side note, you can use "," and "." keys in order to analyze videos frame by frame.
Your breakdowns are awesome, keep em coming
Love your channel man. Great stuff
Like I said on the video, sometimes sparring gets heated. It just happens. It speaks volumes when you get heated and know when to stop. In this case, Misha (the taller gent), decided it was time to stop before things escalated too much. Honestly I saw both guys throwing potatoes after a while.
It was a great video showing what one MUST do when things get heated.
Awesome. I was hoping you would review it
Jeff is a fantastic martial artist and I learn something from each of his vids. He’s owned credit for the escalation of the arms race. But it’s human nature! It happens allll the time. All you can do is communicate, apologize, and RESPECT each other!
Love your videos Mike and always find myself nodding and agreeing on your insights. I´d like to note on psychological factor that plays a lot in sparring is that people tend to feel like the forces applied to them are grater than the forces they apply to others. So people usually feel like they´re being hit harder than they hit back, and so they escalate, and then their partner feels the same, and so they escalate, and so on and so on. More experienced people tend to accomodate for that, but i think is one of the reasons lower and mid levels usualy start a sparring season going light and end up harder and harder by the end.
Jeff is easily one of the nicest and humblest guys out there. It’s not easy to get the guy heated at all, but it’s fighting and this stuff happens. Good on Jeff for putting his stuff out there.
Your dead right bro 🤟 it is fighting and I think Jeff just put the pace up a little but how do U get better under pressure! It's by being pressured! I've lived and fought in Thailand and you won't cut it there unless you have been through great pressure ,and yes most of the time they make sparring a game but that's after there skill level is high but these guys have been through more pressure than most westerners from training since they were very young ,basically when we were in primary school living a soft life they were fighting!
nope, he is borderline bully.. or at least not good at controlling himself
@@batmanonholiday4477 Nah, clown comment.
Nah he is not
I have quite a few of Jeff Chan’s sparring videos and he seems to enjoy sparring with less experienced folks. Not a problem normally except that he goes at a higher pace than they are comfortable with. He wouldn’t have these experiences if he was at a gym with more experienced fighters. Btw, no offense to the other guy but he is not either a pro or high level amateur.
jeff spars with experienced fighters as well
Jeff goes hard based on the partners power applied i am the same and i feel its disrespect to try and take my head off without telling me beforehand that were going to War now understand thats when i say lets go and its all respect but dont be a punk and turn it up out of the blue and start swinging like an ape cause ill turn it up bit by bit not with power but with skill first then horsepower if needed but really thats the last thing even needed.
Hey Mike!
You mentioned MMAShredded might be one of your top 5 martial arts channels. I was wondering who else might be on that list?
Thanks!
might be a good video idea
@@hard2hurt 👀
Easy bazooka joe number one by a mile,Mma shredded,wonderboy channel,Seth in there,and gab completes it,can’t forget master wong incredible martial arts skills to 😝
@@jamesmiles1328
This is literally the same list as mine
edit: I don't have sensei seth in my list; he has a good channel but I think fight tips has better technique contents
@@hard2hurt Definitely not Sensei Seth
Great breakdown. Takes a very experienced fighter to recognise the subtlety and when things just start to get heated. We all do it some people are arseholes who escalate on purpose sometimes it just gets gradually more serious and as you say to pull back is what makes you the man
Great video. I'd be into more sparring commentary / breakdowns. I watched the video originally and missed a few points of interest within what went down and felt your commentary did give me me a good insight into psychology from the perspective of someone who has done a fair amount of sparring. Keep up the quality content 👌
I left my comment on Jeff's video. We touch on similar points of the video but the distinction is who I think initiated the escalation. Without question, Jeff ran away with it at the end. But since he was letting Misha get away with a lot at the beginning, I think Misha gradually got more vigorous, especially with how he just kept charging in and using his reach to push Jeff around.
It was good for Misha to call it at the end, but I don't think it makes Jeff the one who started it.
My original take was that Jeff started ramping it up at that jumping left hook exchange. I didn’t really notice that knee at first but once you pointed it out it makes sense.
Haha hard2hurt you picked that up too! When I saw Jeff’s jaw snap around I knew that was where it started. Good eye that you picked up on how gentle Jeff was being with the other guys kicks though, and the other guy had thrown the right hand off of the kick that he caught.
The moment where Misha drops his hands and shakes them is the point where he was frustrated; we had seen him pull at least one right hand, and then after that he pulls a couple of other shots to the head, but Jeff connects with his lunging hook, jab and right. So Misha has been trying to be extremely diplomatic with landing blows to the head, but Jeff is not returning that courtesy. So Jeff gets upset when Misha finally decides that he's tired of being the only one taking straight rights to the head when he throws that one while his leg is in the air.
When i spar, i start throwing harder but sloppier punches because i get tired... So i kinda compensate pretending im not tired, and it starts looking like a brawl. They seem to get (too) tired by the end as well.
Jeff's hard sparring is fine is just his cheap cloth shin guards that don't protect anyone that I'm concerned about when he spars
2 of my favorite Martial Arts channels!
I think because the big guy started out tired and sluggish, when he reacted to the kick being caught with the quick strike, it made other guy speed up to match the intensity of that moment, causing a chain reaction of increasing intensity until the end of sparring.
Nailed it.....there was definitely a lil Sriracha sauce on the punch when Jeff caught that kick LOL. LOVE IT! Great video.
Love the breakdown. To me a knee would always escalate something if it wasnt agreed. I don't Jeff was going all that hard. For the smaller fighter, I think you have to move a little faster and spring in more which might make you look aggressive and may be your shot landing a little heavier. Jeffs right on partners chin was pretty heavy but if knees werent agreed...well...fair exchange!
I feel like when it comes to knees and elbows in sparring, that’s where Jeff’s partner threw to hard. It’s one thing to throw 70% power punch vs. a 70% knee.
I came away with a different conclusion but I’ll admit your argument is convincing. I’d have been a bit annoyed if my good manners were disrespected like that in a light spar too.
Mission complete. Have to say I was impressed by the respectfulness of both guys in the comments and in the video.
Dead on. It was the cheeky check shot from the caught kick that ramped the energy up. And yes it was Jeff ramping it. I went off and watched
the original video first. It's pretty easy to see if you spar a decent amount.
Nice breakdown....I watched the spar and couldn't quite work it out!
I like the breakdown style videos by the way. They are mega helpful I find for seeing stuff in a faster pace more realistic situation.
I feel like Jeffs skill level is so much higher than so many of the guys he has a chance to spar with its hard not to seem like he is bullying when he's not... He could have been tagging the other guy up the whole time but reserved it for a spicy moment of seemingly mutual exchanges. I notice on higher level guys he can go entire rounds close to this intensity and no one gets hurt. When your power level is high and you love the sport its like the true self is triggered when the energy goes above a certain level. Good that hes nice enough guy to admit he likes the smoke and wants to chill for the sake of others. But hey play with tigers you really need to make sure your claws are sharp too or your skins very tough...
Watched the original, and I think with every clench it started escalating little by little; and they both were getting heated equally. But I believe Misha got heated faster than Jeff with every leg catch and hit that Jeff got in. So I'm calling it on Misha.
I've always felt like Jeff has hard sparring sessions and this might be the first time I've ever seen him spar light until it wasn't lol
so much wisdom shared here and especially at the end of this video. lots of other fighting sports can take a lesson from this. Thanks for sharing. Great work as always from this channel.
Great breakdown and spot on accurate about where it went wrong...
So nice, we watch this breakdown twice or tres! Thanks, Icy Mike.
loved this breakdown - knew that cross after the leg catch was annoying as hell and jeff's leg kick right after was the act of war. been there hahah
BTW the wrong original vid link is in your description!
Great insight. I could watch your breakdowns all day. And repeat views too
I noted that exact point too when I went to watch it. Jeff had been letting his kicks down and then out of no where, Misha hits him on one of those leg catches.
Love the breakdowns
Great read, man. Mmashredded is in my top 5, but so is your channel mane
Totally agree , those non technical lowkicks dont do damage but can really bother ,
And the punch after catching the kick thats the first hint to feel it got escalated
Great analysis 👍
Love MMAShredded. Still do some of his drill exercises for warmups before I lift!
Your analysis is spot on in my opinion.
During a sparring session I had when I was around 17/18 a similar thing happened to me.
We were specifically instructed to gently lower anyone’s foot to the ground if you caught a kick.
I must have caught around a dozen kicks from this guy over the course of the round.
On the final one I caught, as I lowered he decided to sucker punch me full force in the kidney. If the round hadn’t ended literally 2 seconds later I can promise you it wouldn’t have just been a sparring session anymore.
Hey Mike
Do you have any tips on balancing training along with college/school?
Great question! I'd love to know too. Seems like martial arts is a big time sink
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Bruh
@@carlosandres1835 ?
Figure out your priority...Like: Do you want to be a pro fighter ?
No: School First !
Yes: School First !
great analysis, i dig the breakdown videos.
Good eye Mike. I thought it was that first hard leg kick from Jeff that set things off but didn't see why he threw it. Great video!
Perfect equation for consistent sparring: 20/50/100 rule
20-30%- Head strikes (precent CTE)
50-60%- Body strikes (precent cracked ribs)
80-100%- Leg strikes (legs are tough)
I think Icy Mike is spot on. There is also a telling nod by Misha in the original video at 3:57 after an exchange where Jeff's strikes and kicks had some added steam and Misha returned a kick with added steam in response and the nod seems to be saying, "Hey, I can add steam too, let's bring it down a notch."
I don't think that he was just letting the caught kicks go. It looks to me, and I might be wrong, that he's holding the kicks too long for light-spar etiquette. You either need to do something with the caught kick or let it go fairly quick, rather than letting him sit there and hop around until he gets his leg off your arm; after all, the kicks are not necessarily caught because of superior skill; rather, the kicks are caught because you take so much stank off of them that it makes them slow. Also, the dude is tired. I think that he got frustrated because dude kept holding his leg up too long when it's clearly slow and, therefore, catchable because he didn't want to hurt the dude.
Agreed 100%
Yeah. And also on that leg catch he closed the distance as if he was going to sweep the leg so a counter to that would be the punch.
always good hearing your perspective, you're definitely helping increase mine.
Tall Guy was 100% for whatever reason, a lot more Tired than Jeff when this started. Bad Day, No sleep, Hard training who knows, but you can tell he was already more tired. I have seen and noticed in the past and seen others in the comments noticed as well Jeff will sometimes push it as the aggressor in kind of an immature way sometimes! You just have to be able to check your Ego at the Gym Door a little bit which is easier said than done but all in all this was not really bad at all thanks to Misha saying all right I see where this is going and it's pointless That right there tells you he has his Ego more in Check already. Great Video
Loved the video! I find that I learn the most about martial arts from these kinds of video's.
Nice breakdown my man. You should do more, you are good at it.
Just because you’re overwhelming your sparring partner doesn’t mean you’re “escalating” the sparring. Part of sparring is learning how to deal with that, if you get emotional and start spazzing out cuz you can’t deal with it that’s on you.
Fun breakdown, I originally thought the spicescalation happened later in the round but tend to agree with this BD - getting your head turned is NEVER going to be ignored
lol spicescalation
@@hard2hurt you can use that, big dog. Never know when shit might spiceculate
[I think you are spot on. My analysis was that the smaller guy suddenly amped up at one point but couldn't see why until I watched this video.]
jeff chan is 100% top 3 martial arts youtubers in my opinion that man is so smart in the way he moves
switch flurry at 3:52 poured the gasoline, 3:56 set it off because that's two flush and solid strikes that landed in such a short span of time, which can understandably be frustrating. this resulted in drawing out the first hard counter he threw in the round, i.e. the low kick
Head's up Mike, you have the wrong video linked in the description!
thanks fixed