It was honestly so good. That push is exactly the flinch response taught to in a lot of military/cop classes, I think it's called the flinch spear? You like train your flinch into a quick push with a step back and hands up
I don't think it is too advanced! If you learn how from day 1, it becomes second nature just like everything else. Great video! Want to send me that clip from that seminar?
Agreed - you're basically taking a sloppy big overhand that everyone instinctively throws under stress and just refining it and making it safer. It shouldn't be too difficult to pick up, even for newbies.
As a former bouncer I was generally in tight quarters a lot and the in close chin height elbow was a reliable fight stopper. I;m concerned that the long swooping lead cross -low kick combo would be really vulnerable to almost any kind of wrestling takedown.
@@charliejade8959 to put it blunty, no. upwards elbows can work great in the clinch to discourage taller guys from leaning their weight on you, but it's not a fight stopper; otherwise, your only opportunity for elbows is if they bring their head down to you when punching\wrestling and you land either a counter or clinch elbow - but that's not any particular technique, that's just being good at elbows, counters and clinching.
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I have a case for the front kick from personal experience. I was once paired up in a Pencak Silat class to spar with a very intense guy who felt he had something to prove, and we're both heavyweights. I think it was his first sparring and he radiated aggression, despite me and the coach telling him to take it easy. I knew he was going to go full force and I was scared to get into that fight because I wasn't super experienced either. Still somehow, noone called it off, including me. The moment the coach said "go" I sent out a non-telegraphed front kick full force, no setup, no steps, and lo and behold, on go he had leapt forward to throw a straight right and just ran into my foot. He did not go down, but he folded and stopped to take a breather. I apologized and explained why I had gone so hard, he admitted he was going to do the same, coach told both of us to relax and a minute later, we had a good spar. But ever since then, I think the front kick is one of the best first moves to use. It's very quick and straightforward, almost anybody can do it, it covers and/or creates some good distance, it's easy to follow up with combinations and mix-ups, it usually does a reliable job to get the other person to drop their hands and lean their head forward and a clean hit will at least stun even a committed attacker for a moment. What do you think?
I done the front kick before when a guy had a knife. I put up my fists but I thought it better to lengthen the distance between us, and the kick pushed him back more than anything, but it was enough to get him to back off and walk away.
In ALL Martial arts. The first step is go 'calm'. Unless you do that, you are driven by emotion, and that shit will get you killed. Fear is the biggest killer to logic. It freezes your mind and therefore your body. Why do you think Shaolin Monks spend so much time on quietening the mind? Zero emotion puts you into a logical space and therefore a perfect mind set for completion. Ruthless killers have no emotion for a reason.
I think it is greatly effective, but only if your opponent does not anticipate the kick and is ready to catch your leg, OR if he does have technical expertise, but your weight is far greater for him to atempt such maneuver. In sanda, which is chinese boxing, we punch, kick and throw to the ground. There, we learn that one of the best ways to deal with kicks is catching them and making the opponent go to the ground from athe akward grappling position.
@@Lokrio9 Catching kicks and throwing people works well, but your argument doesn't and here's why: We're talking about whether a front kick is a good first move in general, not specifically if your opponent is ready, capable and trained to catch your kick and throw you. Most people don't know martial arts, so that chance is slim. But even if someone is trained and capable, they must anticipate a kick outside a training scenario, which is a lot harder than during practice. And even if someone tries to catch your kick in such a situation, trained or not, they have to not miss, which is still possible even with a trained opponent. Now let's say someone sucessfully counters my front kick in a streetfight and I get my ass kicked, does that make the front kick a bad move? No! Everything can be countered. A straight right isn't a bad first move just because someone might dodge and counter it. Another case in point: Your argument that a front kick isn't effective if your opponent is good at catching it and throwing you afterwards is still correct, it just doesn't work in this argument.
It's an interesting setup, I think. He's talking something interesting, and for those with short attention spans, they might start to wonder what he's doing, which may keep them watching. It's a good TH-camr technique, I think. Men of many talents, here.
I get so much from Icy Mike’s and his friends. Something that I love is how he implies that he is always just scratching the surface regarding any topic and that there is always so much more that he knows (than you)(seriously). Talented people are obviously all the same: they know a lot because of their talent and they won’t tell you all of it until you go through the mill. Lol.
My father was a career Army NCO and hand to hand instructor. We moved a lot and my brother and I were in more than a few scuffs as the new kids. Dad taught us that when challenged to put up your left hand, palm out ,as if to say "I don't want to fight, " and when your opponant touched that hand with his body either a front kick with all you had to the nuts or a ridge hand to the side of the neck. The ridge hand worked twice for me over the years between 8th and 12th grades and dropped the other kid both times . End of fight.
I learned some Army Combative techniques from a guy named Charlie Nelson who ran a small dojo in NYC. He was old and walked like a frail person when I took his classes in the late 90s, so I think he distilled a lot down to the simplest ones that don't require you to be athletic to do. The ridge hand was a staple in his teaching.
“Being a big man really doesn’t matter, it has no significance in knocking out someone… the key to knocking someone out is to throw a punch that they really can’t see.” It’s amazing how many brilliant boxing tips and observations Mike Tyson has to offer
Mike is one if my favorite fighters but I think he is not really in the position to talk about that lmao. Sure he is short for the weightclass, but dude is still fuckin big though. Majority of his earlier fights had him outweigh his opponents by pure muscle lol. He is a natural heavyweight at 5'10, 220lbs. Holyfield is like 6'1 or 6'2 yet he is a natural cruiserweight. When they say big, its not just height, the mass plays a bigger factor.
Jeff Chan's right hand strike is just a variation of a blitz that is taught in karate for point fighting. Wonderboy has shared things similar on his channel for technique Tuesday many times. Him and his pops have do it multiple times during mitt sessions on their videos. It is a great technique. Thank you for sharing.
I've pushed alot in self defense. Why? 1. I train to push hard so they usually fall over 2. It gives you a second to assess who else is attacking around you (Never believe it's one on one, it rarely is) 3. You can assess if the person you pushed is aggressive and get great timing and position for a powerful strike as they rise. In most cases they've given up or given up to come back later, following a push (so if they're still around, try to relocate to somewhere safe).
He maintained his reactionary gap while politely telling The Axe Murderer that he didn’t want to fight. It was incredible…and it happened in Brazil. That’s worth mentioning.
Honestly, it's so cool to see things like Jeff's cross get broken down. The building blocks of our bodies and fighting always stay the same, but the situation and context changes what's important. I don't think Jeff realizes that he just taught a fencing lunge more effectively than I've ever had anyone else do so. Of course you'll attack with the lead (weapon) hand, but the footwork and the "darting or committed" parts are so analogous.
Jack Dempsey’s book Championship Fighting is the fundamentals of fighting. Everyone who wants to know how to defend themselves and/or fight should read it cover to cover
13:59 I think you can definitely teach Jeff’s darting cross-low kick system after people get some sparring experience. Cuz I think by that time, they’ll already have a fuller understanding of the timing that every strike takes, how their body moves specifically in sparring, how something “being off balance” in ONE moment of a fight ISN’T always a bad thing.
Years ago when I was hanging out with my buddy walking in his neighborhood. I didn’t know he had 4 bullies wanting to beat him up every day. I saw them on a picnic table, looked away, and then a kid tackled me and was ground and pounding. I put my hands up to say please stop I’m a nice person and God placed my pinky in and behind his eye and he screamed, grabbed his face, and ran away. They looked at me like a dim mak master of death and I had no training… we went back to the house and played Mario bros.
I’ve done the push away several times in self defense situations. However, I’ve been taught a scoop or “up and away” motion. Done properly, it kinda lifts opponents off the ground and disrupts balance. Has always worked for me. Great video!
@MR-backup the up and away works better for shorties. It is a leg based push instead of an arm push. A straight push or down push is definitely harder though.
I use the cross to low kick technique allot in sparring. Kudos to Jeff. It is a high probability combo. Most people cover high and get wide open down low.
Is there anything like how muay Thai or kung fu, below waist kicks could deceptively freeze or frame someone by opening any guard from taking them off balance or reaction to the trauma where hands might naturally protect that below waist areas legs etc, doing first before a hand strike? or does that open the odds for less effective punching if the kick isn't successful or they just assume defense? Maybe I'm missing the point too this is to communicate you don't want further confrontation or setting the time for that possibility, correct? I guess what they're doing is just just the reverse with better odds of hurting and executing the kick even if it's somewhat off balance and out of position. I guess that could be the strike that resets aggression just from the point that the leg kick is the strike they most likely won't expect following a cover up should they weather the cross and any other hand strikes? I guess also from a non threatening posture you've got both covering distance less telegraphing and potential for angles and a neutralizing blow?
@@svnbit8408 I wouldn't use a punch + kick like that for street defense. Too much risk of falling down on the kick. It is a great sparring combo though. High chance of landing the kick. Your opponent may get angry and start to make mistakes.
I've loved this channel for a long time, but Icy Mike giving Uncle Chael his props only reinforced my opinion that this is the best self-defense channel on the 'Tube.
Also, over committing with the right hand ( or rear hand) sets you up with power and closes range for the opposite hand to land, if you allow the weight to transfer into the opposite stance, if I'm explaining myself correctly. Keep up the great videos. 👊🏼
I love the way you brain works when it comes to self-defense. I teach self-defense for women I try my best to teach them the realism of combat fighting. a lot of women don't know how to fight but just swing and hope to hit something, versus training and know where to strike. your videos always give me an open idea of what to look for and train to be better for myself as well. awesome OSU!
OK...I haven't finished the video but the way you slid the ad into the video as well as your other videos is interesting and I don't think I have ever skipped one of them. Keep it up.
For self defence pre-exemptive strikes, you could also consider moving in by taking an actual step. this can set up a range of exists, either by stepping back or by forward offline / past.
Man, I love that you look at (and splice in) footage of real-world altercations when you're talking about self-defense situations. It's too easy just to pontificate and come to bad conclusions when it's not grounded in what people actually do.
I do work on a lot of what you spoke about. The main thing is to have a core few moves you work on(maybe as basics). I have a core 6 I work on. The key is to have some automatic moves.
This is pretty interesting as a discussion! I think what is or isn’t too close is always contextual, and you do cover that. An elbow over the top (or as a Bajiquan style battering ram) from established grips can be great at super close range. That front kick to sit them down is useful, of course, but like you said it’s still not the longest weapon someone has. [[ As a side note, since I mentioned Baji, I’d be interested to see what you think of body checks, hip bumps, shoulder strikes and the like in close quarters. They work kinda like ‘ramming’ headbutts without using your head, just on a different axis. I also think Seth’s sumo and American football training would be relevant for stabilising the spine, since ramming with the shoulder can jolt the head if you aren’t prepared. ]] From a pokey-sticks perspective, Jeff’s ‘overcommitted’ cross into double-step low kick (or that pivot) is kinda like the Olympic fencing flèche [the French word for ‘arrow’], just with an in-built exit strategy. In a sport like modern fencing, getting out safely isn’t part of what wins points (just what avoids giving up points), so they focus on running right past the opponent afterwards. What we see with Jeff’s system is a layer of versatility added when translating the same body mechanics to an unarmed context, and I find that really cool even if you were translate it back to weapons. Thanks again for the good video! Wanna know? I can’t let you get close!
I know you're not big on sword fighting but I've learned to do something very similar to that committed cross with an exit strategy as one of my main "first intention" actions. Very rare that someone actually catches me out on it.
So being a former soldier.. I was taught to always pay attention to detail and body language... act apon threat and bubble space.. it has always worked for me.. if course after I've tried to de escalation..
I think a general rule of thumb is if somebody approaches you with clear intent to harm you, use whatever you're most comfortable and confident with, for chael thats the good old double leg, but ofc if youre in a crowd as was demonstrated by that clip that can still go wrong, luckily he was in a semi controlled environment and had his team to back him up physically
Sound advice... When my Best friend, like a Brother,, retired from being a Trainer, he trained me for years,, When I Chimpanzee will throw a overhand right,, most dude's will Also.. block while ducking, aim for which ever you like, left to the Liver, or right body hook to the pancreas.. Pro's go down, so six pack Joe will too..
Me personally. I would teep as a first strike. It's a bit more aggressive than a 2-handed push and till knock most opponents off balance. Helps create the distance, which buys me time to make my next move.
I personally like the classic jab cross stepping in and out, especially if stepping out on an angle but I'm a tall guy. The cross showed in the video is awesome though
at elbow / knee range, I've been teaching to do a shin kick instead. it's harder to spot, especially if you have your hands up and drawing attention away. could be followed up by an elbow. the exit strategy? buy enough time through inflicting pain that you get enough of a head start to run away. the bonus is if you kick hard enough to fracture their shin (or if you go for an ankle or foot stomp instead), they can't run fast enough to chase you down.
Solid thought experiment. I appreciate the focus on gross motor techniques. Your last point is quality, if you have enough balance and skill to pull off Mr Chan's striking techniques, you probably don't need to. Another throw away but super important point you made was "sending" the technique without telegraphing. I could be wrong, but I suspect slap vs eye gouge decision may be based on what is open in the moment.
At my old gym the basic cross hook cross was our go to "self defense" combo, with the idea being that a jab is largely unnecessary when trying to end the fight as fast possible against an untrained person.
2:16 I would do a low side kick whilst taking a gallop back (preferably at a diagonal angle)-anywhere below the knee. This is to create distance just in case they go forward. Since this is a low kick the time needed for my foot to touch the ground again is quick and the low target which should be at least somewhat vulnerable should kind of hurt but not much. Just enough to let me run away. Or ya know. Use a flashlight I almost always have to blind them before running away.
Chuck Liddell used to advocate for a similar combo. He also did a leg kick to right hook combo. Both make up for awkward positioning of the second strike by leveraging your inertia and elastic recoil.
And I'm glad you showed that video of the eye stick. Did you ever break down the story for the channel? I always thought it was as classic a story of self-defense as anyone could wish.
If I have to go first against an attacker that is moving in on me, I like the Wing Chun low inner knee kick. Much of the time it'll trip the person, damage their leg, or draw attention downward. All of those are wonderful results for follow-up strikes. It doesn't require me to lower my guard, and for especially non-trained attackers they are expecting a hand strike first. It's also easy to throw the kick with no telegraphing from just about any stance and it does not off-balance you at all or take much recovery. I've used it in a few drunk assholes in bars situations and half the time in that kind of scenario, it gets them to trip, it doesn't draw much attention and in a less-lethal situation like that it often just straight-up ends the fight.
In a self defense situation I either want to disengage or really hurt them. If they want to make it an issue where I have to defend myself, oblique heel kick to the knee is my go to because I can hit it from different ranges and angles and I can defend myself at the same time. If I hit it right, it means that my ability to get away is heightened because having them screaming in agony on the ground unable to follow is something that can happen with that kind of kick. It's also not fancy and it's easy to execute with a little training.
Problem is you see that kick executed by professional fighters like 20 times on every fight card and it almost never stops fights. So if a pro fighter can stop someone with that kick what on earth makes you think you can? Id love to know
I was thinking oblique kick as well. Can be done without telegraphing with hands up in the classic I don't want to fight pose. One can also move said hands slightly to keep their attention on the high line rather than low. As to the fellow asking if people think it's a fight ender, it's not. Very few things single strikes are. What it is, is a great opener. Worst case scenario if it connects is it only hurts and draws their attention down at which point you follow up (always follow u), best case you've either disrupted or destroyed their mobility making exiting much easier.
@@joshuaemig9988 very few things are? That just isn't true. Punches to the face ends fights. Kicks end fights. Literally a standard chopping leg kick does more damage than an oblique kick. Its not even a good opener because i bet you don't practice it. I've been training almost 10 years and practice that kick all the time and i don't even think i could pull it off in any type of way that will benefit me in a self defense situation. Jon Jones, a 230+ pound 6'4 monster of a fighter doesn't even do meaningful damage with that kick. Why do you think you could? You throwing that kick instead of a 1-2 combo or a lead hook is just absolutely stupid
@@johnriley4425 oblique kick is a very safe option compared to a 1-2 combo or a lead hook because it has more range than most punches and kicks, even the chopping leg kick. Also, if people don't expect it, because it can be relatively non-telegraphed, it can deal a lot more damage than when it's against pro fighters expecting all kinds of strikes in the ring. even at the very least, having your foot on their thigh/knee means you're not open to get hit in that moment because they can't advance or kick properly.
@@johnriley4425Jon jones has definitely done massive damage to people with those kicks. Guys don’t listen to John he’s definitely yapping. I will say tho I think there are a lot better techniques Than oblique kicks, they could still work tho for sure
I like Jeff's move the most because it has an exit but for people who don't train often or at all the eye jab seems most practical. It requires the least amount of practice to do effectively, and on top of that most people can put their hand or fingers out even under stress.
Be interesting to see how this changes if you're primarily a grappler. So whatever strike you're throwing is to give him something to think about so you can come to grips.
Peter Consterdine, the British Combat Association guy and ex bouncer, teaches a sliding/overcommitted straight right, similar to Jeff's, to intercept an incoming opponent, immediately followed up by hooks, slaps, or crosses, using the momentum and alternating left and right strikes. Martial Arts Journey has an episode with him, you should check it out, he's excellent, especially when he explains the double-hip mechanic for short-range strikes and how to flow through for a subsequent combination. The greatest gem from him, though, is the use of a trigger word with your strike so that you condition yourself to say something and immediately throw, helping break that freeze response or overthinking under adrenaline.
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I remember seeing a video on Lyoto Machida where he closed distance between a jab and a cross by jabbing left, stepping fully forward with his right as he crossed, then taking another big step with his left as he jabbed again. Definitely karate footwork since it broke the boxing principle of not crossing your feet. But, it worked - he crossed most of the cage in 2 steps and landed all 3 hits with quick forward pressure. I wonder if that footwork could make Jeff’s very committal technique a bit safer, since his feet would be under him and his head not jutted so far forward.
Jeff's technique sorta reminds me of the blitzes I was taught for point karate. That sort of lean and rush in. Especially that second one behind the jab. We used to do a back fist and then fall into a cross and kick. Cool to see a more practical self defense / live combat form!
My comment (having watched up to 2:30) where you ask on the options. I think it depends a lot on the situation. Where am I -- maybe I'm on a train when it happens (I live in a city with public transit), maybe I'm on the streets. Is my goal to escape or to take them down (ie are they also a danger to others)? Are they about to start fighting immediately or am I striking slightly pre-emptively? What size are they and what guesses can I make about them? Default I would strike face or throat, either try and take them out quick or overwhelm, or, get a good hit in, then RUN. In some situations I might move for a grapple. In occasional situations I might go for a front kick if they aren't already in striking range to create space. Though I also wonder if Mike is just making us comment to then argue with each other and drive more engagement...
IDK if you already made a video on countering but I think its important to know and understand how youre vulnerable after you throw a particular punch or kick. People should understand what kind of counters are available for each particular punch, or strike. If you dont already have a video on that that would be awesome.
I love how Jeff makes it look like he's leading with a left jab if you aren't paying the right amount of attention. So not only is the follow up low kick a surprise, the right cross can also come out of nowhere. And by the time you realize you've been hit twice, he's 6+ feet away with his hands up (or halfway down the block if he simply decided to bail). Very successful move.
This is what Lee may have suggested- If your opponent is standing square- groin kick from your lead leg to close into an eye jab. Or opponent is more side stance, knee kick to eye jab. Follow each with a cross. Bounce out to assess
For good examples of pre-emptive strikes from long distance take a look at old school Shotokan. (not the new bouncy bouncy stuff). High power, high speed, long range sniping.
That was a lot of fun. Thanks. I've always liked the push, just from a legal/justification point of view, but you gave me a lot to think about. I must also give you props for the way you slotted in the sponsor. Very well done (maybe you could show their logo, though).
I agree the straight right if the guy is closer or a check hook. No long punches like he's demonstrating. The kick can trip and throw off your balance. Otherwise it can miss high and they can dive in to your legs and take you down.
That darted cross is a standard straight punch in Krav Maga. Driving off the planted foot is called a burst and it is designed to end the fight as soon as possible.
Hey Mike. The late kickboxing champion Joe Lewis, not to be confused with the late boxing champion Joe Louis, made a whole series of videos on kickboxing and sport karate but somewhere in the middle of that series can't remember the video number he made a video entitled the ten best self defense techniques. That video is posted on TH-cam. Shows what he considered the fastest strike, the fastest kick etc. Anyway in my opinion it shows a lot of good first strike options. Oddly enough to me it doesn't talk about the set point control principle which he considers the most important strategy in all fighting. I believe that principle applies to all forms of combat. A lot of people say you should hit first in a fight but I am sure you have seen people attack first and get countered and lose the fight. That principle shows is so important in preventing that if you choose to strike first and may help keep you safe if you don't. Maybe. I am definitely going to check out this Craig Ferguson and how he approaches eye gouges. I believe that people tend to either overrate or underrate eye gouges. Lastly the last technique Lewis teaches is the best finishing hold. He shows a move that he has used five times in real life for real to end fights. Starts from standing position facing his opponent goes for a rear naked choke and explains his four out of five of his opponents dropped to the ground unconscious because of the way his arm struck their neck on his way to applying the choke.
I'm imagining a long (non-telegraphed) left hook and pivot. If someone's already in my face I'm probably backing away with my hands up so that should work well. Not a very powerful technique but it changes the direction of movement so I can get past them and away, or it's a strong opening for the cross/kicks.
I have already done a right cross-right foot front kick combo on one guy (bigger) and a collar grab and choke/push on the other one (smaller). I was bigger and stronger than them, it worked although we were on ice so were sliding all around😀
So as someone with painful joints...i faced getting old when all my old injuries started bothering my sleep... I will never close my fist on the first strike. Naturally it's open hand and a pensador type stance. low kicks and open hand to strike...hmm I'm going teep/front push kick as my option. To push means space to run or follow up with takedowns or seeing if they on shakey ground/off balanced. Jeff chan is amazing!!
I teach BJJ I use a collar tie club pull underhook to the clinch, or the crash to the clinch. I like that darting and committed cross. That looks awesome! I’m not that great at striking so I probably couldn’t pull that off. Haha
for close combat definitely: eye poke👀 -> front kick🦵 -> run🏃 eye poke lets them probably move back a little bit, maybe they even tilt back their upper body.. then you should have good range for a front kick and because they are probably already tilted back a little, there's a big chance that they are gonna fall backwards. then you have a huge time advantage when darting to run🏃♂️
Depends on the actions of the attacker. Are they charging at you or slowly inching closer? What are their hands doing (weapons?)? How much space do you have? How are they responding to verbal de-escalation ?
As a bigger guy, I think my go-to opener would be a telegraphed forward step into a full force, uncontrolled outwards swing with the leading arm. Not because of it being practical, but because it communicates that "I'm angry, I don't want to fight you but will do my best to hurt you if you don't stay back", as well as pumping myself up, since I'm usually quite aloof and I need to get some adrenaline going if things escalate. It's not a strike I want to actually land, it's mainly to scare people off. IF they try to go in afterwards I'm a judo guy so I'd mainly rely on grappling. But I've noticed that when pressured this seems to be my most primal "Get off me" response so I think I can sell it better than any other potential strike.
Eye jab! Definitely an effective JKD technique. Jeet Tek is another: side kick/stop kick, to the nearest leg/knee or midsection. Would definitely stop an aggression or even incapacitate.
I like the last point you made about how the footwork and concept of what Jeff does Could work, but probably isn't as viable to people who don't train or compete. Like I can't imagine teaching my gf to do that in a self-defense situation, so that was a good catch at the end. This topic is definitely tricky, because there are so many variables, but its cool that you gave lots of options throughout the video, even if none of them were the definitive "right" answer... which makes sense because the best answer is whichever one fits the situation someone is in
Definitely something that can be taught to anyone and if you create layer drills that stress, pressure and adaptability test the technique or at least simulate training the technique in numerous scenarios (different sizes opponents with different styles of combat as their base) like Jeff has. So drills that simulate a person responding with grappling attempts, or a person counter striking. Starting of course with some simple rhythm and timing drills to get the techniques basics first with pads and then graduate to sparring drills where you trade off with a partner like a call and respond with the same techniques (for example one person does the cross low kick entry-exit combo and the other person aims to throw them off a bit with a jab) this type of training can build up the natural flow of a persons timing in the motions of the technique. Then after getting comfortable with multiple different structured rhythms they can graduate to doing a more free flow version of call and respond (the call is the cross low kick and the response is more free flow) where they do whatever comes naturally in response or do some focus on a specific type of response like gripping, striking, pushing, or blocking in some way that simulates a more instinctual untrained reaction or ways that simulate specific types of trained responses. It would also be good to do drills of the footwork in isolation but with stress, pressure and adaptability testing as well like an all footwork and just slight hand and foot movement for the strikes back and forth in a little flow drill style exchange where one person does the technique and then the other. You could even have both people padded up and gloved up to up the intensity. All of the above would be good to teach a person to do that technique well enough to be somewhat confident that they could at least do the technique to someone if the circumstances called for it. They also would probably be confident to do a lot of other things in response as well if they did drills like those off and on every few weeks or every other month for 1+ years. Especially if you evolve the drills and allow for them to evolve the drills. That is a high level combat training tip. Let your teaching evolve and LET your STUDENTS EVOLVE it. With guidance of course... But you already know that Icy Mike. Also thanks for this one and all your awesome content again Mike. I have thanked you before and will likely again. I do appreciate what you do a great deal. Also thank you for doing your thing Jeff you are both pioneers in the martial teaching world in my opinion. For that I appreciate you and your work greatly. Thank you 😌🙏🏾 Oh also one of my favorite techniques for the same range, that has a smooth follow that is quite dynamic and still gives good exit options and is also something that can be taught to most people. The technique is just the bicycle motion or double leg or the karate kid front kick. I know it is cliche .. I know it is a jumping kick with a telling flourish...but I am telling you now that a person which knows that kick very well can travel a gap and kick with that technique smoother and with greater effectiveness for the effort a huge percentage of the time and achieve phenomenal results. Though the same sort of drilling and acclimating to the technique is necessary. Once you are able to do this technique extremely well where you no longer really have to jump but can instead translate the vertical motion into horizontal motion, the kick is like a defended attack that can just get set on repeat in devastating fashion or can be a one off as a set up or as a combination to the same low kick exit after the cross but you can go to either side depending on what your opponents position. Which actually I think is the case with the cross as well it is just less common because the technique has less of a lean though you can put a lean to it by just angling your entry and doing a sort of Thai style front side teep thing (it is also the best for exiting because it sets you off line fully like Jeff's cross low kick combo) also the teep instead of a full front kick is also better for exiting and a full front kick is better as a lead. Also lowmid kick instead of high or mid or low kick with the front kick is perfect for self defense you just have to aim for the hip and let physics take over basically. 😂 It is also technically effective at any range once you get comfortable with the technique enough to start doing it as a fade away. Yes moving backwards 🤯 it's stopping power is second to none in my experience. It's versatility is down right unholy and it's capacity to throw an opponent off or catch them off guard is just utterly brutal in its efficacy when paired with the fact that it is just a loop that you can do over and over again shielding yourself and then striking making and breaking tempos and rhythms with very little effort and very little margins for errors or response in between. It also triggers some of the most hilariously ineffective reactions in even trained opponents when you can do it with the level of versatile adaptability that can be achieved when you treat it as a fundamental technique and drill it as such. It also comes so naturally once you get it down it is literally as easy as riding a bike and riding a bike does actually train all of the same muscles and more (so does walking) so it is just perfect on far too many levels to not have as a staple in a self defense curriculum. It is pure gold like the front kick in general but better because of all the reasons stated above and many many more... anyways hope that all made sense and is of some help to you or someone who watches your stuff Mike thanks again man you to Jeff ✌🏾😌
I started doing pretty much the same thing when I moved from TKD to kickboxing. I didn't know any tactics for getting in so I made the mistake of over committing. However, balance and leg dexterity was good enough that I could kick as I was exiting.
What I do like about it is dragging your leg along gets more momentum and when you hit you can use that as balance so you can commit even more but I don't know if it's something that just everybody can understand is one of the basic things to do as a means of self-defense. I'm sort of on the fence about it from that aspect but I like it overall...
I like that non-telegraphed right hand. I would prefer instead of throwing it straight to do a Tommy Hearns-style chopping right with the elbow flipped up at the end for more power and contact on the cheek
Wait for them to close distance and when they plant front foot to (usually ) punch teep to knee or step to the side and roundhouse to knee. Once you land that, you can just stare at their knee and they don't want to approach you any longer, or they will get it after you do the same thing a few more times.... and it's nice since you can lean away and use hands to block. Foot never goes very high so it's not at all easy to catch... ground conditions might make this difficult however. If incident starts at close range I usually clinch and throw left knee to liver
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I liked the Chael Sonnen reviews. Very good breakdowns. Thank you
Push = Muay Thai Long Guard.🫵😊
Chael sonnen while taking Wandy down "fucking amateur"
Getting one 😅
Take a look at Lee Morrison's Urban Combatives from the UK!
“ I can’t let you get close “ classic!
My dating strategy.
😂😂😂
also the "fucking amateur" mid take down
It was honestly so good. That push is exactly the flinch response taught to in a lot of military/cop classes, I think it's called the flinch spear? You like train your flinch into a quick push with a step back and hands up
Swoon
Important watch. Tnx.
Thanks Uncle Chael!
The GOAT.🎉
Undefeated, undisputed, unmistakeable, unshakeable, unbeatable, undeniable.
Training with Jeff was unlike anything else I had learned to that point. It opened my mind up to so many possibilities. I call it WING-CHAN
I don't think it is too advanced! If you learn how from day 1, it becomes second nature just like everything else. Great video! Want to send me that clip from that seminar?
Maybe... but remember the rest of us are human.
Agreed - you're basically taking a sloppy big overhand that everyone instinctively throws under stress and just refining it and making it safer. It shouldn't be too difficult to pick up, even for newbies.
Great video... It's always nice to see you making videos together.
ayy maybe week 1, or month 1 for me :p
Reminds me of JKD's straight lead or how I Like to call IT the fencing Punch.
As a former bouncer I was generally in tight quarters a lot and the in close chin height elbow was a reliable fight stopper. I;m concerned that the long swooping lead cross -low kick combo would be really vulnerable to almost any kind of wrestling takedown.
Exactly, self defense starts specially when preformed by novice is a sure way to get double leg slammed on to concrete.
Is there an elbow technique you use as a fight stopper against a much taller opponent?
@@charliejade8959Takedown
@@charliejade8959 to put it blunty, no. upwards elbows can work great in the clinch to discourage taller guys from leaning their weight on you, but it's not a fight stopper; otherwise, your only opportunity for elbows is if they bring their head down to you when punching\wrestling and you land either a counter or clinch elbow - but that's not any particular technique, that's just being good at elbows, counters and clinching.
Much respect,, " door man" no gaurd card etc, also manager,, as you well know, if when,, it's absolutely gonna happen,, Muay Thai Elbows, can also be used to stop strikes, aiming for cheat or shoulder, stops momentum,,
2020 New Year's,, Westminster CA, Police department requested 9min and 40seconds of fight footage,,
Now this was me getting in-between dude's fighting, blocking and shoving, tripping them up, ... When the training kicks in.. it's a blur.. stay safe..
I have a case for the front kick from personal experience. I was once paired up in a Pencak Silat class to spar with a very intense guy who felt he had something to prove, and we're both heavyweights.
I think it was his first sparring and he radiated aggression, despite me and the coach telling him to take it easy. I knew he was going to go full force and I was scared to get into that fight because I wasn't super experienced either. Still somehow, noone called it off, including me.
The moment the coach said "go" I sent out a non-telegraphed front kick full force, no setup, no steps, and lo and behold, on go he had leapt forward to throw a straight right and just ran into my foot. He did not go down, but he folded and stopped to take a breather. I apologized and explained why I had gone so hard, he admitted he was going to do the same, coach told both of us to relax and a minute later, we had a good spar.
But ever since then, I think the front kick is one of the best first moves to use. It's very quick and straightforward, almost anybody can do it, it covers and/or creates some good distance, it's easy to follow up with combinations and mix-ups, it usually does a reliable job to get the other person to drop their hands and lean their head forward and a clean hit will at least stun even a committed attacker for a moment. What do you think?
I done the front kick before when a guy had a knife. I put up my fists but I thought it better to lengthen the distance between us, and the kick pushed him back more than anything, but it was enough to get him to back off and walk away.
In ALL Martial arts. The first step is go 'calm'. Unless you do that, you are driven by emotion, and that shit will get you killed. Fear is the biggest killer to logic. It freezes your mind and therefore your body. Why do you think Shaolin Monks spend so much time on quietening the mind? Zero emotion puts you into a logical space and therefore a perfect mind set for completion. Ruthless killers have no emotion for a reason.
Yeah do a front kick 😂
I think it is greatly effective, but only if your opponent does not anticipate the kick and is ready to catch your leg, OR if he does have technical expertise, but your weight is far greater for him to atempt such maneuver.
In sanda, which is chinese boxing, we punch, kick and throw to the ground. There, we learn that one of the best ways to deal with kicks is catching them and making the opponent go to the ground from athe akward grappling position.
@@Lokrio9 Catching kicks and throwing people works well, but your argument doesn't and here's why:
We're talking about whether a front kick is a good first move in general, not specifically if your opponent is ready, capable and trained to catch your kick and throw you. Most people don't know martial arts, so that chance is slim. But even if someone is trained and capable, they must anticipate a kick outside a training scenario, which is a lot harder than during practice. And even if someone tries to catch your kick in such a situation, trained or not, they have to not miss, which is still possible even with a trained opponent. Now let's say someone sucessfully counters my front kick in a streetfight and I get my ass kicked, does that make the front kick a bad move? No! Everything can be countered. A straight right isn't a bad first move just because someone might dodge and counter it. Another case in point: Your argument that a front kick isn't effective if your opponent is good at catching it and throwing you afterwards is still correct, it just doesn't work in this argument.
These dudes are unique! Jeff is dangerous even in slides and Mike talks self defense while setting trip wires! LOL
It's an interesting setup, I think. He's talking something interesting, and for those with short attention spans, they might start to wonder what he's doing, which may keep them watching. It's a good TH-camr technique, I think. Men of many talents, here.
I bought some of the trip wire sirens the last time he promoted them. They are WAY louder in person! LOL
I get so much from Icy Mike’s and his friends. Something that I love is how he implies that he is always just scratching the surface regarding any topic and that there is always so much more that he knows (than you)(seriously). Talented people are obviously all the same: they know a lot because of their talent and they won’t tell you all of it until you go through the mill. Lol.
My father was a career Army NCO and hand to hand instructor.
We moved a lot and my brother and I were in more than a few scuffs as the new kids.
Dad taught us that when challenged to put up your left hand, palm out ,as if to say "I don't want to fight, " and when your opponant touched that hand with his body either a front kick with all you had to the nuts or a ridge hand to the side of the neck.
The ridge hand worked twice for me over the years between 8th and 12th grades and dropped the other kid both times .
End of fight.
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I learned some Army Combative techniques from a guy named Charlie Nelson who ran a small dojo in NYC. He was old and walked like a frail person when I took his classes in the late 90s, so I think he distilled a lot down to the simplest ones that don't require you to be athletic to do. The ridge hand was a staple in his teaching.
“Being a big man really doesn’t matter, it has no significance in knocking out someone… the key to knocking someone out is to throw a punch that they really can’t see.”
It’s amazing how many brilliant boxing tips and observations Mike Tyson has to offer
It's almost like he knows what he's doing
@@victorwagner2423 while teaching Ngannou how to snap his cross properly:
“it’s a twist, and snap. From the feet; Like puttin out a thigarette.”
dude was also 220 lbs of pure muscle since like 14yo 😅
Mike is one if my favorite fighters but I think he is not really in the position to talk about that lmao.
Sure he is short for the weightclass, but dude is still fuckin big though. Majority of his earlier fights had him outweigh his opponents by pure muscle lol.
He is a natural heavyweight at 5'10, 220lbs. Holyfield is like 6'1 or 6'2 yet he is a natural cruiserweight. When they say big, its not just height, the mass plays a bigger factor.
Jeff Chan's right hand strike is just a variation of a blitz that is taught in karate for point fighting. Wonderboy has shared things similar on his channel for technique Tuesday many times. Him and his pops have do it multiple times during mitt sessions on their videos. It is a great technique. Thank you for sharing.
I've pushed alot in self defense. Why? 1. I train to push hard so they usually fall over 2. It gives you a second to assess who else is attacking around you (Never believe it's one on one, it rarely is) 3. You can assess if the person you pushed is aggressive and get great timing and position for a powerful strike as they rise. In most cases they've given up or given up to come back later, following a push (so if they're still around, try to relocate to somewhere safe).
He maintained his reactionary gap while politely telling The Axe Murderer that he didn’t want to fight. It was incredible…and it happened in Brazil. That’s worth mentioning.
The low kick as a bail out is brilliant. Sweet, concept
Honestly, it's so cool to see things like Jeff's cross get broken down. The building blocks of our bodies and fighting always stay the same, but the situation and context changes what's important.
I don't think Jeff realizes that he just taught a fencing lunge more effectively than I've ever had anyone else do so. Of course you'll attack with the lead (weapon) hand, but the footwork and the "darting or committed" parts are so analogous.
That's not a fencing lunge. It's a fleche, but starting with the "wrong" foot forward.
You're both right. The darting cross is a lunge, the committed cross is a fleche.
Jack Dempsey’s book Championship Fighting is the fundamentals of fighting. Everyone who wants to know how to defend themselves and/or fight should read it cover to cover
What if I want to know how to read? Wait, I meant skdhkcbeksgsvldvabd?
13:59 I think you can definitely teach Jeff’s darting cross-low kick system after people get some sparring experience. Cuz I think by that time, they’ll already have a fuller understanding of the timing that every strike takes, how their body moves specifically in sparring, how something “being off balance” in ONE moment of a fight ISN’T always a bad thing.
Jeff's darting punch with the low kick is golden! I learned it from him in Sydney with my son and it was amazing
Years ago when I was hanging out with my buddy walking in his neighborhood. I didn’t know he had 4 bullies wanting to beat him up every day. I saw them on a picnic table, looked away, and then a kid tackled me and was ground and pounding. I put my hands up to say please stop I’m a nice person and God placed my pinky in and behind his eye and he screamed, grabbed his face, and ran away. They looked at me like a dim mak master of death and I had no training… we went back to the house and played Mario bros.
I’ve done the push away several times in self defense situations. However, I’ve been taught a scoop or “up and away” motion. Done properly, it kinda lifts opponents off the ground and disrupts balance. Has always worked for me. Great video!
Not gonna work for a small shorty.
@@MR-backup small shorty can do the push self away from opponent instead
@@varencilatorAnd that's all he can do with that move, lol.
@MR-backup the up and away works better for shorties. It is a leg based push instead of an arm push. A straight push or down push is definitely harder though.
Yes it's a good method. It's actually from Tai chi
love seeing you and Jeff breaking stuff down! he seems like a good dude
I use the cross to low kick technique allot in sparring. Kudos to Jeff. It is a high probability combo. Most people cover high and get wide open down low.
💯 I have never watched Jeff, but I would do this many moons ago in some of my kickboxing fights.
Is there anything like how muay Thai or kung fu, below waist kicks could deceptively freeze or frame someone by opening any guard from taking them off balance or reaction to the trauma where hands might naturally protect that below waist areas legs etc, doing first before a hand strike? or does that open the odds for less effective punching if the kick isn't successful or they just assume defense?
Maybe I'm missing the point too this is to communicate you don't want further confrontation or setting the time for that
possibility, correct?
I guess what they're doing is just just the reverse with better odds of hurting and executing the kick even if it's somewhat off balance and out of position. I guess that could be the strike that resets aggression just from the point that the leg kick is the strike they most likely won't expect following a cover up should they weather the cross and any other hand strikes?
I guess also from a non threatening posture you've got both covering distance less telegraphing and potential for angles and a neutralizing blow?
@@svnbit8408 I wouldn't use a punch + kick like that for street defense. Too much risk of falling down on the kick. It is a great sparring combo though. High chance of landing the kick. Your opponent may get angry and start to make mistakes.
I've loved this channel for a long time, but Icy Mike giving Uncle Chael his props only reinforced my opinion that this is the best self-defense channel on the 'Tube.
Also, over committing with the right hand ( or rear hand) sets you up with power and closes range for the opposite hand to land, if you allow the weight to transfer into the opposite stance, if I'm explaining myself correctly. Keep up the great videos. 👊🏼
I love the way you brain works when it comes to self-defense. I teach self-defense for women I try my best to teach them the realism of combat fighting. a lot of women don't know how to fight but just swing and hope to hit something, versus training and know where to strike. your videos always give me an open idea of what to look for and train to be better for myself as well. awesome OSU!
Dude is casually setting up a Trip Mine explosive in his video respect
OK...I haven't finished the video but the way you slid the ad into the video as well as your other videos is interesting and I don't think I have ever skipped one of them. Keep it up.
For self defence pre-exemptive strikes, you could also consider moving in by taking an actual step. this can set up a range of exists, either by stepping back or by forward offline / past.
Brilliant deceptive technique Jeff…Bravo!
Man, I love that you look at (and splice in) footage of real-world altercations when you're talking about self-defense situations. It's too easy just to pontificate and come to bad conclusions when it's not grounded in what people actually do.
I do work on a lot of what you spoke about. The main thing is to have a core few moves you work on(maybe as basics). I have a core 6 I work on. The key is to have some automatic moves.
Yes! The darting cross. Looks very "fencing" like. If I could teep better, I'd use that in closer quarters.
This is pretty interesting as a discussion!
I think what is or isn’t too close is always contextual, and you do cover that. An elbow over the top (or as a Bajiquan style battering ram) from established grips can be great at super close range. That front kick to sit them down is useful, of course, but like you said it’s still not the longest weapon someone has.
[[ As a side note, since I mentioned Baji, I’d be interested to see what you think of body checks, hip bumps, shoulder strikes and the like in close quarters. They work kinda like ‘ramming’ headbutts without using your head, just on a different axis. I also think Seth’s sumo and American football training would be relevant for stabilising the spine, since ramming with the shoulder can jolt the head if you aren’t prepared. ]]
From a pokey-sticks perspective, Jeff’s ‘overcommitted’ cross into double-step low kick (or that pivot) is kinda like the Olympic fencing flèche [the French word for ‘arrow’], just with an in-built exit strategy. In a sport like modern fencing, getting out safely isn’t part of what wins points (just what avoids giving up points), so they focus on running right past the opponent afterwards. What we see with Jeff’s system is a layer of versatility added when translating the same body mechanics to an unarmed context, and I find that really cool even if you were translate it back to weapons.
Thanks again for the good video!
Wanna know?
I can’t let you get close!
Brilliant video. As soon as I saw Mike start setting the tripwire up I knew what he was planning. Genius as always. 👍 (That tripwire is really cool).
I know you're not big on sword fighting but I've learned to do something very similar to that committed cross with an exit strategy as one of my main "first intention" actions. Very rare that someone actually catches me out on it.
So being a former soldier.. I was taught to always pay attention to detail and body language... act apon threat and bubble space.. it has always worked for me.. if course after I've tried to de escalation..
Power Push, Super Slap setup step ❤. Then there's that "obligate to parachute" "commit and repel" maneuver. WOW!
I think a general rule of thumb is if somebody approaches you with clear intent to harm you, use whatever you're most comfortable and confident with, for chael thats the good old double leg, but ofc if youre in a crowd as was demonstrated by that clip that can still go wrong, luckily he was in a semi controlled environment and had his team to back him up physically
Sound advice... When my Best friend, like a Brother,, retired from being a Trainer, he trained me for years,, When I Chimpanzee will throw a overhand right,, most dude's will Also.. block while ducking, aim for which ever you like, left to the Liver, or right body hook to the pancreas.. Pro's go down, so six pack Joe will too..
Me personally. I would teep as a first strike. It's a bit more aggressive than a 2-handed push and till knock most opponents off balance. Helps create the distance, which buys me time to make my next move.
I love the front kick.
I personally like the classic jab cross stepping in and out, especially if stepping out on an angle but I'm a tall guy. The cross showed in the video is awesome though
Jeff showed us this at the seminar in Sydney last month. It was so hard doing the "wrong" footwork.😂 But, of course, Jeff taught it so we got it. 🙂🖖🏻
at elbow / knee range, I've been teaching to do a shin kick instead. it's harder to spot, especially if you have your hands up and drawing attention away. could be followed up by an elbow. the exit strategy? buy enough time through inflicting pain that you get enough of a head start to run away. the bonus is if you kick hard enough to fracture their shin (or if you go for an ankle or foot stomp instead), they can't run fast enough to chase you down.
Solid thought experiment. I appreciate the focus on gross motor techniques. Your last point is quality, if you have enough balance and skill to pull off Mr Chan's striking techniques, you probably don't need to. Another throw away but super important point you made was "sending" the technique without telegraphing. I could be wrong, but I suspect slap vs eye gouge decision may be based on what is open in the moment.
At my old gym the basic cross hook cross was our go to "self defense" combo, with the idea being that a jab is largely unnecessary when trying to end the fight as fast possible against an untrained person.
2:16 I would do a low side kick whilst taking a gallop back (preferably at a diagonal angle)-anywhere below the knee. This is to create distance just in case they go forward. Since this is a low kick the time needed for my foot to touch the ground again is quick and the low target which should be at least somewhat vulnerable should kind of hurt but not much. Just enough to let me run away.
Or ya know. Use a flashlight I almost always have to blind them before running away.
Chuck Liddell used to advocate for a similar combo. He also did a leg kick to right hook combo. Both make up for awkward positioning of the second strike by leveraging your inertia and elastic recoil.
I was literally having this convo today, and I trained for that wtf, how did you know what I want to watch
And I'm glad you showed that video of the eye stick. Did you ever break down the story for the channel? I always thought it was as classic a story of self-defense as anyone could wish.
If I have to go first against an attacker that is moving in on me, I like the Wing Chun low inner knee kick. Much of the time it'll trip the person, damage their leg, or draw attention downward. All of those are wonderful results for follow-up strikes. It doesn't require me to lower my guard, and for especially non-trained attackers they are expecting a hand strike first. It's also easy to throw the kick with no telegraphing from just about any stance and it does not off-balance you at all or take much recovery. I've used it in a few drunk assholes in bars situations and half the time in that kind of scenario, it gets them to trip, it doesn't draw much attention and in a less-lethal situation like that it often just straight-up ends the fight.
In a self defense situation I either want to disengage or really hurt them. If they want to make it an issue where I have to defend myself, oblique heel kick to the knee is my go to because I can hit it from different ranges and angles and I can defend myself at the same time. If I hit it right, it means that my ability to get away is heightened because having them screaming in agony on the ground unable to follow is something that can happen with that kind of kick. It's also not fancy and it's easy to execute with a little training.
Problem is you see that kick executed by professional fighters like 20 times on every fight card and it almost never stops fights. So if a pro fighter can stop someone with that kick what on earth makes you think you can? Id love to know
I was thinking oblique kick as well. Can be done without telegraphing with hands up in the classic I don't want to fight pose. One can also move said hands slightly to keep their attention on the high line rather than low. As to the fellow asking if people think it's a fight ender, it's not. Very few things single strikes are. What it is, is a great opener. Worst case scenario if it connects is it only hurts and draws their attention down at which point you follow up (always follow u), best case you've either disrupted or destroyed their mobility making exiting much easier.
@@joshuaemig9988 very few things are? That just isn't true. Punches to the face ends fights. Kicks end fights. Literally a standard chopping leg kick does more damage than an oblique kick. Its not even a good opener because i bet you don't practice it. I've been training almost 10 years and practice that kick all the time and i don't even think i could pull it off in any type of way that will benefit me in a self defense situation. Jon Jones, a 230+ pound 6'4 monster of a fighter doesn't even do meaningful damage with that kick. Why do you think you could? You throwing that kick instead of a 1-2 combo or a lead hook is just absolutely stupid
@@johnriley4425 oblique kick is a very safe option compared to a 1-2 combo or a lead hook because it has more range than most punches and kicks, even the chopping leg kick. Also, if people don't expect it, because it can be relatively non-telegraphed, it can deal a lot more damage than when it's against pro fighters expecting all kinds of strikes in the ring. even at the very least, having your foot on their thigh/knee means you're not open to get hit in that moment because they can't advance or kick properly.
@@johnriley4425Jon jones has definitely done massive damage to people with those kicks. Guys don’t listen to John he’s definitely yapping. I will say tho I think there are a lot better techniques
Than oblique kicks, they could still work tho for sure
ayeee another reunion with Jeff, love to see it!
gotta get into the 2 courses you mentioned
I like Jeff's move the most because it has an exit but for people who don't train often or at all the eye jab seems most practical. It requires the least amount of practice to do effectively, and on top of that most people can put their hand or fingers out even under stress.
Be interesting to see how this changes if you're primarily a grappler. So whatever strike you're throwing is to give him something to think about so you can come to grips.
I loved watching your techniques in action in the self defence games.
Peter Consterdine, the British Combat Association guy and ex bouncer, teaches a sliding/overcommitted straight right, similar to Jeff's, to intercept an incoming opponent, immediately followed up by hooks, slaps, or crosses, using the momentum and alternating left and right strikes.
Martial Arts Journey has an episode with him, you should check it out, he's excellent, especially when he explains the double-hip mechanic for short-range strikes and how to flow through for a subsequent combination.
The greatest gem from him, though, is the use of a trigger word with your strike so that you condition yourself to say something and immediately throw, helping break that freeze response or overthinking under adrenaline.
Last sentence - Great takeaway...
FYI. I was having a number of problems on my property. I happened to talk to the sheriff one day and told him I was going to wire trip my property. He said if you do that and the predator gets wounded in any way he can sue you for damages. Considering my circumstances at the time I didnt care and wired anyway. My life was more important. 13:34
I remember seeing a video on Lyoto Machida where he closed distance between a jab and a cross by jabbing left, stepping fully forward with his right as he crossed, then taking another big step with his left as he jabbed again. Definitely karate footwork since it broke the boxing principle of not crossing your feet. But, it worked - he crossed most of the cage in 2 steps and landed all 3 hits with quick forward pressure. I wonder if that footwork could make Jeff’s very committal technique a bit safer, since his feet would be under him and his head not jutted so far forward.
Jeff's technique sorta reminds me of the blitzes I was taught for point karate. That sort of lean and rush in. Especially that second one behind the jab. We used to do a back fist and then fall into a cross and kick. Cool to see a more practical self defense / live combat form!
My comment (having watched up to 2:30) where you ask on the options.
I think it depends a lot on the situation. Where am I -- maybe I'm on a train when it happens (I live in a city with public transit), maybe I'm on the streets. Is my goal to escape or to take them down (ie are they also a danger to others)? Are they about to start fighting immediately or am I striking slightly pre-emptively? What size are they and what guesses can I make about them?
Default I would strike face or throat, either try and take them out quick or overwhelm, or, get a good hit in, then RUN. In some situations I might move for a grapple. In occasional situations I might go for a front kick if they aren't already in striking range to create space.
Though I also wonder if Mike is just making us comment to then argue with each other and drive more engagement...
IDK if you already made a video on countering but I think its important to know and understand how youre vulnerable after you throw a particular punch or kick. People should understand what kind of counters are available for each particular punch, or strike. If you dont already have a video on that that would be awesome.
I love how Jeff makes it look like he's leading with a left jab if you aren't paying the right amount of attention. So not only is the follow up low kick a surprise, the right cross can also come out of nowhere. And by the time you realize you've been hit twice, he's 6+ feet away with his hands up (or halfway down the block if he simply decided to bail).
Very successful move.
Could you do a more in depth video on the what, when, how and why of preemtively establishing grips?
Jeff is one of the OG GOATs! I learned so much from him over the last decade
This is what Lee may have suggested-
If your opponent is standing square- groin kick from your lead leg to close into an eye jab.
Or opponent is more side stance, knee kick to eye jab.
Follow each with a cross.
Bounce out to assess
For good examples of pre-emptive strikes from long distance take a look at old school Shotokan. (not the new bouncy bouncy stuff). High power, high speed, long range sniping.
Your right. That over committed swing and low kick thing is over my head. I gotta play with that some.
That was a lot of fun. Thanks. I've always liked the push, just from a legal/justification point of view, but you gave me a lot to think about.
I must also give you props for the way you slotted in the sponsor. Very well done (maybe you could show their logo, though).
I agree the straight right if the guy is closer or a check hook. No long punches like he's demonstrating. The kick can trip and throw off your balance.
Otherwise it can miss high and they can dive in to your legs and take you down.
1:02 what?! I feel like it's the exact opposite; usually the aggressive, willing-to-fight guys do pushes
Probably the two best teachers on the internet constantly sparring learning experimenting without ego against different scenarios
Strikin' Mike coming through with content.
I'm certainly have to train more striking, but I did learn how to do a powerslap from training Kali and oh it slaps. Really nice to have.
It's always entertaining and educational watching and learning from your videos. Thank you, IcyMike and Jeff!
You guys are TopG!
That darted cross is a standard straight punch in Krav Maga. Driving off the planted foot is called a burst and it is designed to end the fight as soon as possible.
Having hip arthritis, I am so filled with envy watching you get up and down in the first part of your video.
Some of the best SD stuff I’ve seen. Love Jeff Chan, too
Hey Mike. The late kickboxing champion Joe Lewis, not to be confused with the late boxing champion Joe Louis, made a whole series of videos on kickboxing and sport karate but somewhere in the middle of that series can't remember the video number he made a video entitled the ten best self defense techniques. That video is posted on TH-cam. Shows what he considered the fastest strike, the fastest kick etc. Anyway in my opinion it shows a lot of good first strike options. Oddly enough to me it doesn't talk about the set point control principle which he considers the most important strategy in all fighting. I believe that principle applies to all forms of combat. A lot of people say you should hit first in a fight but I am sure you have seen people attack first and get countered and lose the fight. That principle shows is so important in preventing that if you choose to strike first and may help keep you safe if you don't. Maybe.
I am definitely going to check out this Craig Ferguson and how he approaches eye gouges. I believe that people tend to either overrate or underrate eye gouges.
Lastly the last technique Lewis teaches is the best finishing hold. He shows a move that he has used five times in real life for real to end fights. Starts from standing position facing his opponent goes for a rear naked choke and explains his four out of five of his opponents dropped to the ground unconscious because of the way his arm struck their neck on his way to applying the choke.
I'm imagining a long (non-telegraphed) left hook and pivot. If someone's already in my face I'm probably backing away with my hands up so that should work well. Not a very powerful technique but it changes the direction of movement so I can get past them and away, or it's a strong opening for the cross/kicks.
I have already done a right cross-right foot front kick combo on one guy (bigger) and a collar grab and choke/push on the other one (smaller). I was bigger and stronger than them, it worked although we were on ice so were sliding all around😀
"Check the footwork, it looks wrong," - camera shows the feet in flip-flops, which is perfect for this video.
So as someone with painful joints...i faced getting old when all my old injuries started bothering my sleep... I will never close my fist on the first strike. Naturally it's open hand and a pensador type stance. low kicks and open hand to strike...hmm I'm going teep/front push kick as my option. To push means space to run or follow up with takedowns or seeing if they on shakey ground/off balanced. Jeff chan is amazing!!
I teach BJJ I use a collar tie club pull underhook to the clinch, or the crash to the clinch. I like that darting and committed cross. That looks awesome! I’m not that great at striking so I probably couldn’t pull that off. Haha
for close combat definitely: eye poke👀 -> front kick🦵 -> run🏃
eye poke lets them probably move back a little bit, maybe they even tilt back their upper body.. then you should have good range for a front kick and because they are probably already tilted back a little, there's a big chance that they are gonna fall backwards. then you have a huge time advantage when darting to run🏃♂️
Depends on the actions of the attacker. Are they charging at you or slowly inching closer? What are their hands doing (weapons?)? How much space do you have? How are they responding to verbal de-escalation ?
As a bigger guy, I think my go-to opener would be a telegraphed forward step into a full force, uncontrolled outwards swing with the leading arm. Not because of it being practical, but because it communicates that "I'm angry, I don't want to fight you but will do my best to hurt you if you don't stay back", as well as pumping myself up, since I'm usually quite aloof and I need to get some adrenaline going if things escalate. It's not a strike I want to actually land, it's mainly to scare people off. IF they try to go in afterwards I'm a judo guy so I'd mainly rely on grappling. But I've noticed that when pressured this seems to be my most primal "Get off me" response so I think I can sell it better than any other potential strike.
Great spot for the trip wire would be side of house on those small pockets between house and fence.
Eye jab! Definitely an effective JKD technique. Jeet Tek is another: side kick/stop kick, to the nearest leg/knee or midsection. Would definitely stop an aggression or even incapacitate.
I like the last point you made about how the footwork and concept of what Jeff does Could work, but probably isn't as viable to people who don't train or compete. Like I can't imagine teaching my gf to do that in a self-defense situation, so that was a good catch at the end. This topic is definitely tricky, because there are so many variables, but its cool that you gave lots of options throughout the video, even if none of them were the definitive "right" answer... which makes sense because the best answer is whichever one fits the situation someone is in
Definitely something that can be taught to anyone and if you create layer drills that stress, pressure and adaptability test the technique or at least simulate training the technique in numerous scenarios (different sizes opponents with different styles of combat as their base) like Jeff has.
So drills that simulate a person responding with grappling attempts, or a person counter striking. Starting of course with some simple rhythm and timing drills to get the techniques basics first with pads and then graduate to sparring drills where you trade off with a partner like a call and respond with the same techniques (for example one person does the cross low kick entry-exit combo and the other person aims to throw them off a bit with a jab) this type of training can build up the natural flow of a persons timing in the motions of the technique. Then after getting comfortable with multiple different structured rhythms they can graduate to doing a more free flow version of call and respond (the call is the cross low kick and the response is more free flow) where they do whatever comes naturally in response or do some focus on a specific type of response like gripping, striking, pushing, or blocking in some way that simulates a more instinctual untrained reaction or ways that simulate specific types of trained responses. It would also be good to do drills of the footwork in isolation but with stress, pressure and adaptability testing as well like an all footwork and just slight hand and foot movement for the strikes back and forth in a little flow drill style exchange where one person does the technique and then the other. You could even have both people padded up and gloved up to up the intensity. All of the above would be good to teach a person to do that technique well enough to be somewhat confident that they could at least do the technique to someone if the circumstances called for it. They also would probably be confident to do a lot of other things in response as well if they did drills like those off and on every few weeks or every other month for 1+ years. Especially if you evolve the drills and allow for them to evolve the drills. That is a high level combat training tip. Let your teaching evolve and LET your STUDENTS EVOLVE it. With guidance of course... But you already know that Icy Mike. Also thanks for this one and all your awesome content again Mike. I have thanked you before and will likely again. I do appreciate what you do a great deal. Also thank you for doing your thing Jeff you are both pioneers in the martial teaching world in my opinion. For that I appreciate you and your work greatly.
Thank you 😌🙏🏾
Oh also one of my favorite techniques for the same range, that has a smooth follow that is quite dynamic and still gives good exit options and is also something that can be taught to most people. The technique is just the bicycle motion or double leg or the karate kid front kick. I know it is cliche .. I know it is a jumping kick with a telling flourish...but I am telling you now that a person which knows that kick very well can travel a gap and kick with that technique smoother and with greater effectiveness for the effort a huge percentage of the time and achieve phenomenal results. Though the same sort of drilling and acclimating to the technique is necessary. Once you are able to do this technique extremely well where you no longer really have to jump but can instead translate the vertical motion into horizontal motion, the kick is like a defended attack that can just get set on repeat in devastating fashion or can be a one off as a set up or as a combination to the same low kick exit after the cross but you can go to either side depending on what your opponents position. Which actually I think is the case with the cross as well it is just less common because the technique has less of a lean though you can put a lean to it by just angling your entry and doing a sort of Thai style front side teep thing (it is also the best for exiting because it sets you off line fully like Jeff's cross low kick combo) also the teep instead of a full front kick is also better for exiting and a full front kick is better as a lead. Also lowmid kick instead of high or mid or low kick with the front kick is perfect for self defense you just have to aim for the hip and let physics take over basically. 😂 It is also technically effective at any range once you get comfortable with the technique enough to start doing it as a fade away. Yes moving backwards 🤯 it's stopping power is second to none in my experience. It's versatility is down right unholy and it's capacity to throw an opponent off or catch them off guard is just utterly brutal in its efficacy when paired with the fact that it is just a loop that you can do over and over again shielding yourself and then striking making and breaking tempos and rhythms with very little effort and very little margins for errors or response in between. It also triggers some of the most hilariously ineffective reactions in even trained opponents when you can do it with the level of versatile adaptability that can be achieved when you treat it as a fundamental technique and drill it as such. It also comes so naturally once you get it down it is literally as easy as riding a bike and riding a bike does actually train all of the same muscles and more (so does walking) so it is just perfect on far too many levels to not have as a staple in a self defense curriculum. It is pure gold like the front kick in general but better because of all the reasons stated above and many many more... anyways hope that all made sense and is of some help to you or someone who watches your stuff Mike thanks again man you to Jeff ✌🏾😌
I started doing pretty much the same thing when I moved from TKD to kickboxing. I didn't know any tactics for getting in so I made the mistake of over committing. However, balance and leg dexterity was good enough that I could kick as I was exiting.
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Watching Jeff Chan slickly demonstrate this movement in slides both dealt me psychic damage and inspired me to start shadowboxing in sandals.
At 6'5 230pds Ill use a left jab followed by a dbl punch right hook. Punch follow threw and then hit with the elbow, or a good jump knee to the chin.
Really enjoying your presentations. Thanks for your hard work.
Side-kick to the knee/right above it, will always be a personal favorite self defense technique
What I do like about it is dragging your leg along gets more momentum and when you hit you can use that as balance so you can commit even more but I don't know if it's something that just everybody can understand is one of the basic things to do as a means of self-defense. I'm sort of on the fence about it from that aspect but I like it overall...
You mentioned the low kick as a parachute, essentially as a planned balance point to change momentum and direction. Things to think about.
I like that non-telegraphed right hand. I would prefer instead of throwing it straight to do a Tommy Hearns-style chopping right with the elbow flipped up at the end for more power and contact on the cheek
Wait for them to close distance and when they plant front foot to (usually ) punch teep to knee or step to the side and roundhouse to knee. Once you land that, you can just stare at their knee and they don't want to approach you any longer, or they will get it after you do the same thing a few more times.... and it's nice since you can lean away and use hands to block. Foot never goes very high so it's not at all easy to catch... ground conditions might make this difficult however. If incident starts at close range I usually clinch and throw left knee to liver