He's displayed zero ego, willingness to learn, humility, respect for his partners and their safety, good attitude. It's easy to forgive someone like that for the occasional hard hit.
this^^^, fighting is a sport where people get hurt. It was obviously an accident, they happen. Consider it a bit of conditioning for yourself and all is good. Maybe talk to him about his spinning out of the leg grabs as its dangerous in a training environment, fine in a fight though, looks pretty effective if executed well.
Plus, since he only was there for a weekend, and since a spinning elbow is a good ass fucking hit to land, it's probably in the coaches interest NOT to discourage that kind of behaviour, as he said, in fear of Chan becoming gunshy.
As a martial arts instructor myself.. i understand why he is so impressed with the guy… it IS rare to get these kind of students.. 😁😁 probably because the way icy mike teaches is very realistic based… and thats a huge factor..
Mike: "I'm an asshole" Also Mike: "imma get this dude in my gym train with him, boost his skill and confidence and promote his channel should he choose to make one."
"good is not nice" tv tropes has a whole page on it..but yes, he also seems like a great guy. but people who say they are great guys usually turn out to be jerks. so its better to be a good guy and say you may be a jerk...its kind of biblical in a sense.
As a martial arts instructor myself.. i understand why he is so impressed with the guy… it IS rare to get these kind of students.. 😁😁 probably because the way icy mike teaches is very realistic based… and thats a huge factor..
@@chefxhyrule242 if you needed a high IQ to be good at fighting every pro MMA fighter would be in Mensa 😆 but having a high IQ will increase the rate at which you learn.
Its a breath of fresh air watching a "noobie" who doesnt try to kill you in the first sparring lol, all i can remember from sparring new guys is they try to take your head off much more than pro fighters really.... he seems like a nice sob to hang out with
Truth. I've been that newbie and thrown the wildest of punches for weeks. Or even months. I didn't even have a defense. People were so afraid of me, that my guard was always down without consequences. Took me sparring with really skilled people to actually realize how much I had to improve. To be honest, I was so hard headed that a regular coach would probably have kicked me out a long time ago.
@@oneoranota if the two people are equal skill or equally less skilled ive noticed that aggression and just being a wildanimal will win very often...not against highly skilled individuals of course.
A good coach can end that fast. The first gym I trained in the coaches would wreck anyone who started to lose it. End the match, pull the aggressive fighter out, and drill them until they can’t stand. It amazes me that more coaches don’t do stuff like that to keep their fighters safe.
@@azraeljudahbenisrael that would work, given that there are many anime characters like that. They are so smart, that they learned how to fight by purely watching other do it a few times
In watching the previous, identical evasive spin moves when he got his leg tied up I would deduce this was not a spinning elbow but an accidental contact that rung your bell. It happens, and your response, or lack thereof, was spot on.
Dudes naturally gifted. Soccer has made him nimble on his feet and he knows how to move his weight around. He flows very well and what he did was perfect... why punish that if you are training him to take full advantage of the situation.
I had a patient from Mexico who was a soccer player. As a runner, I asked him how fast he could run a mile? He said, he never tried. Next time I saw him he said a little less than 5 minutes. That's pretty fast!
@@joey_ricciardi117 his brother probably is a good teacher mixed within ability and endurance. He mimicks very well. Once he has experience behind it he will be much more efficient.
IT guys tend to be good at teaching themselves new skills. At least the good ones. Only way to thrive in that industry. Blackie Chan taking that to martial arts is super badass.
He truly is a very humble fighter and person. My first interaction with him ever, I went to streetbeefs to watch a friend who goes by “showtime”. As soon as I step out of the car he sees me and immediately approaches and ask “are you looking for a fight?” I’m kind of confused so I ask him “what do you mean?” He then in a laughing light tone says “I don’t have a fight lined up and we’re around the same size, if you don’t have a fight lined up, we’d be perfect” I felt it was such a compliment that I for half a second I almost said “let’s do it” but then reality settles in and I told him I was there to watch I can’t fight today I’m straight off of the couch lol. I sat and talked with him and his friends for a good 5-10 minutes. He’s a really nice dude, just overall good vibes! I’m the first 30 Seconds I was thanking god I didn’t get ahead of myself, because that day I witnessed the most brutal leg and body kicks I’ve ever seen in my life. Shout out to “blackie Chan” I’m in your corner always bro!
It's absolutely insane to see someone this good with such minimal irl training. I had went to spar with friends like after 6 months of boxing and looked absolutely nowhere close to this. This is some like Max Holloway learning from the UFC Xbox games shit
My boyfriend has hardly ever sparred growing up, but he takes his kung fu forms training and stuff pretty seriously. Without sparring I always expect him to not do too well, but he surprises me with his ability to keep up every time we go at it. I'm gonna stop knocking the possibility that people have a natural knack for fighting or the ability to train themselves to some level of effectiveness even without a structured environment.
@@kovenmaitreya7184 This is a great point. On the whole, nothing beats sparring. But there are folks who are just naturally much more self and environmentally aware and they can learn and counter quickly on their feet.
@@chaosapiant yeah, i've heard of people that imagine themselves sparring (yes, this sounds stupid) against some strong opponent, and actually learn things. Basically one of the points of shadowboxing
It's simple really. All men are not made equal, and some people are just born fighters. This guy has some talent both as an athlete and as a learner which are two of the most important aspects in becoming a good martial artist, with hard work and smart training the sky is the limit for people like him, providing he has the heart and desire when the going gets tough. He looks like he could've been the goods if he started early enough.
It was an incidental elbow. His natural instinct to spin comes with flared elbows to stabilize himself. I do not believe that he meant to hit you. That said, once he perfects the spinning elbow, he's got a legit fight ender in it. Great video. Loved it.
Seems to be a very level headed emotionally mature dude who has a genuine interest in learning and improving. I'm glad you guys connected and he's training with you. :)
He's a natural, he moves great for his level of proper training. Great, controlled sparring in this video, too. Sparring always turned into fighting fast in every gym I've ever trained, sadly.
No way he never gone to another gym or anything tho. NO WAY. The way he pivits the foot when he kicks, the guard, spinning kicks (there are some flaws in the spinning back kick but) is proof that he has had some type of training more than just sparring with his brother.
@hard2hurt VERY good job with your coaching, i can see BlackieChan has the natural ability to absorb coaching into his style. Cliff did a great job with his control and allowing Jackie to find himself.
Some people just naturally have the affinity for fighting and learning how to fight, just like some people can be natural and learn quick on an instrument
@@dannnmerkle7930 he's DEFINITELY better than most. I honestly don't believe he has had no training. But that's me. I just have to take their word unless proven otherwise. Also, it's not unheard of for someone to have great photogenic memory and analyze and fine tune by watching training vids. If thats his case, he's a beautiful learner. In which I'm jealous of because I could have used that many years ago and avoid so many issues lmfao
@@ItsWillYumm Just a note but "photogenic" means that you take good pictures. I think you meant "photographic" but that's a misnomer; it's called "eidetic memory". Some people have a knack for seeing and replicating movements and I honestly think we need a new term for that heh
He seems to be an incredible novice fighter. Super athletic and seemed to pick up things that you even didn’t tell him about just from watching. Also that spinning elbow was for sure an accident. If you watch the other spins he does he lifts his elbow every time I assume to block anything his opponent might throw in the spin
I will be absolutely honest with you. I think his talent is being wasted on street beefs. Not only is his coordination, timing and composure on point he adapts very quickly. Several times he pin pointed openings, set traps and capitalized on the openings once a movement was repeated. He is a rear breed indeed. That spinning Elbow wasn't an elbow that's how he resets. I think he should turn it into a spinning Elbow or spinning back fist since a spin like that leaves you blind for a bit and can set up a head strike but he is indeed talented. Great job with him. I will follow him and I hope he makes good out of the opportunity to work with you.
It's actually scary how good he looks with so little practice.... You could put this sparring footage in front of anyone and they would think he's been training for years.
The difference between talent and no talent is the time and effort required to attain the required skill level. No talent is not 'no way', just 'way' with a whole lot more effort and commitment. "Talent" just gives one a head start.
@@burnerjack01 That's not *entirely* true. Some people just have better motor control than the average person. Most people just call them "athletes" and the ones that are at the peak of human physique are basically demigods lol
@@FaithRox Not trying to be argumentative at all. Just posting what I have witnessed first hand. Maybe you misunderstood or maybe I just failed to properly annunciate my thoughts. I have seen techs who were just straight up, "whizz-bang" good at picking up new techniques and technologies where others, more experienced, but (albeit) less talented struggle on and on, but they get 'there' eventually. That's pretty much all I meant.
I’m glad you pointed out him being analytical, as to why he might have picked up on details so quickly. Of course that’s probably going to be his “weakness” the deeper he gets into the game and the more he puts pressure on himself…..not to say that he couldn’t hone that still….just a guess.
As a martial arts instructor myself.. i understand why he is so impressed with the guy… it IS rare to get these kind of students.. 😁😁 probably because the way icy mike teaches is very realistic based… and thats a huge factor..
Icy Mike, you are an amazing instructor. Very knowledgeable and an expert at observing what your student is or isn't doing. My favorite part of your approach is that you compliment a skill set and enhance it by adding to it with your knowledge and masterful approach. There are too many instructors out there, albeit also experienced, but have that borderline belligerent, "THIS IS HOW YOU DO IT" approach.
DAMN am I having a great time living vicarious and watching y'all spar. This is beautiful. Love the respect and the skills consistently demonstrated on this channel. Big ups to Mike and Blackie Chan.
You are an amazing instructor. You do everything right for the benefit of those you coach. If you were Kimbo Slice's coach, he would have been successful in MMA. The reason Kimbo failed at MMA was because his coaches tried to change the way he fought instead of nurturing his attributes and strengths. Kimbo was great in his first few fights and then he started to decline. The way you coached Blackie Chan was the exact way Kimbo should have been coached. Great video!
I don’t think his spin was aggressive, you could see that he pulled up at the end but maybe didn’t expect you to still be in position. He’s definitely a unique talent and a quick study.
@@hard2hurt heck yes it is Coach! I just realized that I wasn't subbed on this account (I am on another) had to sub on this one too. Your channel is a legit cornerstone in the community in my opinion. If anyone disagrees then I really don't care.
Wow this was awesome. Major props to you guys for supporting Blackie Chan, and encouraging others to get into a gym. Truth is your channel was part of the reason I joined a boxing gym recently. I'm still getting my butt kicked but I'm sticking with it :)
I just love thinking about how he's watching this taking even more notes, I'd love to see his TH-cam channels for sure - especially on his idealism on learning.
There was a guy who came to my jujitsu school. I had started a few months before him and when we rolled I submitted him. He went and got his friends and watched tapes and practiced in his garage. A couple months later he surpassed me and a few others that were all beginners. He begin rolling well against the higher belts as well. So yes some people can take videos and practice with their friends and be at a better level than we would expect when the start to practice. Plus like you said he did practice with his brother. That is always cool. My brother wasn’t into any martial arts so no fun for us.
Proud of him tbh. One thing i learned from getting "hurt" when i train somebody is that its me almost always who let it happen. Now intentions is another thing but considering a nice guy who is 110% in there to learn from you and try to surpass himself while being also overwhelmed to an extend from who u are vs him is totally understandable to lose control momentarily on his side. You on the other hand teaching, you are not just trying to be there for the fight (its not really your fight at that point) you are not even analysing for yourself. During the "fight" you are not only trying to find his weaknesses, at the same time you are trying to make him unfold his skill/control/technique/tactics/emotions while thinking about how to help him improve on each of those..because thats you do as someone trying to help. Proud of both of you tbh. congrats lads, you make this such a nice journey for everyone. Now a nice challenge for me would be to go back and analyse my mistakes (e.g when i accidentally was about to get k.oed for example) and try to improve on that while being distracted by something. "handicap" myself so i learn how to overcome that. Much love fighters!
I'm loving that you guys are working together! You can literally see his brain ticking over the whole time, taking in the information and studying the movements of the person he's sparring with! I would absolutely sub to his channel!
I think BlackieChan’s elbow was instinct. He was NOT trying to hurt you, and it was a honest mistake…a mix between evading, regaining his balance, and his body telling him to attack. Very good instincts!
As a coach, teacher and yet student and admirer of the 'art', you are still humble. I appreciate your heart and skill, good sir. I just subbed. Cheers mate
After fully watching this, I can say this guy moves well for no training. I can see that he's quickly utilizing the things you've taught. His lateral movement, head movement along with his striking is in place. He has good Bob and weaves too. He could definately go pro in like 2 years I feel if he wanted. He just needs to learn how to read and block kicks better when they're coming up top. Seems like he checks low kicks rather well
That guy reminds me of a friend I had in high school. We were 18 and he came to my kickboxing gym. Same as this guy. Never formally trained. Everything was from watching martial arts movies and magazines back in the day. He was literally a better fighter than 70% of the guys in the gym. Crazy stuff. In saying that. He was also a quick learner. Very analytical and of course you still do need the physical attributes of a good fighter. Great video 👌
Bro i remember like a year ago me and my flatmate wanted to start training, but we never had any meaningfull coaching. We got some pads, pulled up youtube, and started learning, since covid closed up all of the gyms. I never forget looking at this small bald dude shouting around on how to lead hook. But damn my lead hook is spicy now thanks to you (on top of other things) I sparred with my female boxer friend that have around 3 years of experience, training in same gym as Blachowicz. Didnt land on me once and i am a fat c*nt, so thats not my athletic abilities speaking. You guys with Seth, Wonderboy and Kwonkicker through sharing your knowledge, changed my life. Slimmer, more confident and happy. What i noticed from learning on youtube is that knowledge of anatomy is very important to see all the nuances in the techniques, if you want to replicate them based on just seeing it (nobody directly teaching and correcting your form). Recording yourself/mirror is a must if you wanna learn that way.
When you see stuff like this for Mike it just goes to show some of his own stories about saying guys went too far in sparring before makes you wonder just how rough of sparring they were doing to make Mike think that way, when you see stuff like elbows like that and completely just writes it off.
It's always really cool to see people who are just naturally gifted at something, or are just on a whole other level with adapting and skill absorption. It's incredible to see this dude move and apply such precision to his hits.
Yeah, I've been training since I was a kid, both in traditional arts and now in combat sports, and watching him on streetbeefs, I would have thought he'd been training in a legit gym including sparring for at least 2 or 3 years with that level of skill.
Excellent commentary thanks for taking the time to help one of our upcoming stars in the ring. He’s already off to a good start but often got too wild. Great potential and amazing skills. Tanks for taking the time to make and post this.
Awesome work Mike, the dude is incredible! Looking forward to seeing more of what he does! Keep up the good work Mike, this goes to prove the impact of this channel and good work you and the team are doing
Damn that's insane, you can see him change. The second you made his boxing crisper he was boxing so well, when he learned to be more defensive through sparring, it happened so quickly and he looked so different instantly. This is mad. He looks like he has been training a good few years consistently.
That's what's up!,🥊💯 Great to see you help him and teach him along with his UNLIMITED POTENTIAL! Really looking forward to see more of this PROSPECT! You're an amazing coach with an amazing team! Wish I could train with you guys!🔥 Thank you sharing your expertise, along with educated content!🙏🥊💯
It has probably been said but I think what impresses me the most is his ability to listen to and perform the instructions given by the coach (Mike or Cliff) while sparring. He isn't tunnel visioned and only focussing on what he wants to get out of sparring but is always open to instruction and learning.
I think there are a lot more people like him than we think. Most of my friends are really smart, analytical people. We're mostly all scientists and engineers, that's kind of necessary. It's just that the intelligence has to come together with the interest to fight and the athleticism to do it.
The other times he spun out his partner kept distance. He made contact with you because you crashed in off the catch. He's talented and it's awesome that you brought him in. That memory will stick with him forever.
Dude is brilliant and this video is a testament to what great coaching is. The fact that u didn't want to alter him too much but add to how he does things. Also how u analyzed the spinning move he does to get out of being caught. Which made you understand his intention wasn't to hurt u in sparring but probably a move which can't be unlearned. Question tho: if his street beef opponents watch this and his other videos, is there a way they could set him up with that spinning move he does to get out those positions. How would one accomplish that?
I really love this story, because this is how *I* learned to fight, and I've NEVER heard of anyone else doing it and being good! I even tried to get into Streetbeefs (they don't have any branches up here in Oregon, sadly) but it makes me so happy that even if it's just the two of us in the whole world that have taken this approach and made it work, that he's doing his thing and kicking ass. Wholesome guy, super cool to see.
Yeah this kid's got to get some backing and training. I'd love to see him do some kickboxing for a while then move on to MMA. It has to all be fast because of his age but with his ability to absorb he can do it. Reminds me of Francis Ngannou.
Really enjoy your breakdowns of fights and sparring. Helps me understand what is going on. Also appreciate your encouragement and support of this guy as a fighter, as a person and as a potential content creator.
If he is very analytical there’s a reason why he learned from you. The one thing I enjoy about you is your focus on strategy. Simple put there’s a reason Sun Tzu was so successful.
@@hard2hurt one of my favorite strategies you talked about was Nate Daiz shit talking opponents into trading blows with him. It’s simple but it some how works.
Icey mike, i luv u dude. Ty for ur service as a cop. I feel better knowing there are dudes like u on the force. Also thank you so much for running a gym and having this youtube channel as a window for me to see into a world i know very little about. (Health issues) thankyou sir. We need mire men in our society like you.
I think the elbow was a slip. He got caught, threw it harder/faster because he wanted to practice it, and just messed up a little. If you watch his reaction, it looks like he knew he caught you, but you played it off so he didn't apologize or necessarily realize how hard it was. Fits with his personality as you describe it too, I think.
i see a fighter willing to learn and with a natural talent .. but more so i see an instructor willing to teach regardless ... seeing the mutual respect and composure displayed by both is a joy ... keep inspiring IcyMike :D
Difference between street fights and inside ring sparring, really smooth, that's cool that you brought him in and show him a couple of things. Pretty cool video.
Does anyone know how tall Mike is because Blackie chan is allegedly 5"6 and it might be the camera angle but he consistently appears to be 2-3 inches taller than Mike!
Blackie Chan is so natural and fluid. He did a phenomenal job. A warrior and a gentle man. He is humble and learns so well. Keep it up Chan. Always he humble and be willing to learn. Well done Mate
Icy, you think in sparring there needs to be an understanding to not be a volume fighter because you aren't really learning? Because you can't really stave off their volume unless you teep them hard or pop them in the face. If that makes sense. Enjoy your analysis so much as well.
I pretty much also learned everything I know from TH-cam. Every day I'm down in my basment hittting the bags, and a couple times a week my friends come over and we spar, and im getting better every day. All thanks to guys like you, Ramsey dewey, fight tips, and every other fight channel on youtube; I can't express my gratitude enough, for sharing your wisdom with everyone
Based on the other clips you showed of the way he spins when he gets stuck, I agree that was an accident. He wasn't trying to elbow you. And yes, I'd love seeing more of Blackie Chan. Does he have a TH-cam page yet?
He’s very active with his punches. That helps to throw a higher volume of punches. Out working your opponent definitely can overwhelm them. He mixes both his punches and kicks together very effectively.
Thank you so much for supporting others like Blackie Chan. And yes, I can't wait for him to start his own channel (don't be bashful: you have a LOT to offer already!). Hard2hurt rocks!
Your an amazing coach, I was exactly like that brother in my younger years of fighting, only learned from movies and vhs tapes along with sparring with cousins. Then I joined the gym and displayed my skills, but I really didn't have good one on one coaching like I should have had. I really regret that and I know I could have gone far if I had someone who cared as much as you show. I now do a little coaching myself, and I train like I should have been trained, just like you train, and I really admire that. Love your videos.
He's displayed zero ego, willingness to learn, humility, respect for his partners and their safety, good attitude. It's easy to forgive someone like that for the occasional hard hit.
I agree
this^^^, fighting is a sport where people get hurt. It was obviously an accident, they happen. Consider it a bit of conditioning for yourself and all is good. Maybe talk to him about his spinning out of the leg grabs as its dangerous in a training environment, fine in a fight though, looks pretty effective if executed well.
Plus, since he only was there for a weekend, and since a spinning elbow is a good ass fucking hit to land, it's probably in the coaches interest NOT to discourage that kind of behaviour, as he said, in fear of Chan becoming gunshy.
As a martial arts instructor myself.. i understand why he is so impressed with the guy… it IS rare to get these kind of students.. 😁😁 probably because the way icy mike teaches is very realistic based… and thats a huge factor..
I don't think he was throwing, he was just spinning out and caught him accidentally.
I learned all my fighting from a VHS tape. Beat that
I learned all my fighting from making it up myself.
@@hard2hurt I made my own VHS tape that I learned from…
@@hard2hurt Hard2Iceyfu
I learned all my fighting by fighting
I learned my fighting from a Street Fighter Porn parody.
Mike: "I'm an asshole"
Also Mike: "imma get this dude in my gym train with him, boost his skill and confidence and promote his channel should he choose to make one."
Sssshhhhh
A real dude!
An irresponsible clout chaser. Trained fighters vs average Joe homebody. Come on dude.
"In evil, there is good"
"good is not nice" tv tropes has a whole page on it..but yes, he also seems like a great guy. but people who say they are great guys usually turn out to be jerks. so its better to be a good guy and say you may be a jerk...its kind of biblical in a sense.
Having a high IQ combined with natural athleticism to apply it to fighting(or any sport) is so cool to see.
As a martial arts instructor myself.. i understand why he is so impressed with the guy… it IS rare to get these kind of students.. 😁😁 probably because the way icy mike teaches is very realistic based… and thats a huge factor..
You don't need high IQ for fighting.
@@trawsoza2926 but you do need a high iq to be good at fighting
@@chefxhyrule242 you do need to know the ins and outs of fighting but you don't need a high IQ some people call it "fight IQ" but it's not real
@@chefxhyrule242 if you needed a high IQ to be good at fighting every pro MMA fighter would be in Mensa 😆 but having a high IQ will increase the rate at which you learn.
Hes a dream student. A humble sponge with natural talent, I can't wait to see him develop.
"Humble Sponge" is one of the best descriptors I've ever seen.
@@chaosapiant there’s a nice ring to it
Its a breath of fresh air watching a "noobie" who doesnt try to kill you in the first sparring lol, all i can remember from sparring new guys is they try to take your head off much more than pro fighters really.... he seems like a nice sob to hang out with
Very true! I hated it when I had to spar new guys at the gym. I'm here to have fun, not get injured.
Hmm. Charlie Z comes to mind...(LOL)
Truth. I've been that newbie and thrown the wildest of punches for weeks. Or even months.
I didn't even have a defense. People were so afraid of me, that my guard was always down without consequences.
Took me sparring with really skilled people to actually realize how much I had to improve.
To be honest, I was so hard headed that a regular coach would probably have kicked me out a long time ago.
@@oneoranota if the two people are equal skill or equally less skilled ive noticed that aggression and just being a wildanimal will win very often...not against highly skilled individuals of course.
A good coach can end that fast. The first gym I trained in the coaches would wreck anyone who started to lose it. End the match, pull the aggressive fighter out, and drill them until they can’t stand. It amazes me that more coaches don’t do stuff like that to keep their fighters safe.
Blackie Chan confirmed for anime protagonist
Fighting genius
@@azraeljudahbenisrael that would work, given that there are many anime characters like that. They are so smart, that they learned how to fight by purely watching other do it a few times
YEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSS
Grappler Blackie
Burn anime with napalm.
In watching the previous, identical evasive spin moves when he got his leg tied up I would deduce this was not a spinning elbow but an accidental contact that rung your bell. It happens, and your response, or lack thereof, was spot on.
Yeah I think he was just too close when he spun
I agree 100% it's an out that has worked and continues to.
Seeing how he used it reminded me of Muay thai when they wiff a kick some of them go for a whole spin to reset.
Good evasive counter though , spinning elbow or spinning back hand fist
Dudes naturally gifted. Soccer has made him nimble on his feet and he knows how to move his weight around. He flows very well and what he did was perfect... why punish that if you are training him to take full advantage of the situation.
Agreed. I did many years of soccer as a youth and when I was taught the Muai Thai kick it was a great transition.
I had a patient from Mexico who was a soccer player. As a runner, I asked him how fast he could run a mile? He said, he never tried. Next time I saw him he said a little less than 5 minutes. That's pretty fast!
Bro he actually looks legit looks like he's been training for some time.
@@joey_ricciardi117 his brother probably is a good teacher mixed within ability and endurance. He mimicks very well. Once he has experience behind it he will be much more efficient.
*football*
imagine saying "I almost got knocked out by an IT guy named "Blackie Chan" haha
... That learned how to fight from watching TH-cam videos
"IT guy"? You mean Italian or what? Sorry I'm asking without sarcasm
@@mae4712 "information technology" so programmers, software engineers, etc
IT guys tend to be good at teaching themselves new skills. At least the good ones. Only way to thrive in that industry. Blackie Chan taking that to martial arts is super badass.
He truly is a very humble fighter and person. My first interaction with him ever, I went to streetbeefs to watch a friend who goes by “showtime”. As soon as I step out of the car he sees me and immediately approaches and ask “are you looking for a fight?” I’m kind of confused so I ask him “what do you mean?” He then in a laughing light tone says “I don’t have a fight lined up and we’re around the same size, if you don’t have a fight lined up, we’d be perfect” I felt it was such a compliment that I for half a second I almost said “let’s do it” but then reality settles in and I told him I was there to watch I can’t fight today I’m straight off of the couch lol. I sat and talked with him and his friends for a good 5-10 minutes. He’s a really nice dude, just overall good vibes! I’m the first 30
Seconds I was thanking god I didn’t get ahead of myself, because that day I witnessed the most brutal leg and body kicks I’ve ever seen in my life. Shout out to “blackie Chan” I’m in your corner always bro!
It's absolutely insane to see someone this good with such minimal irl training. I had went to spar with friends like after 6 months of boxing and looked absolutely nowhere close to this. This is some like Max Holloway learning from the UFC Xbox games shit
My boyfriend has hardly ever sparred growing up, but he takes his kung fu forms training and stuff pretty seriously. Without sparring I always expect him to not do too well, but he surprises me with his ability to keep up every time we go at it. I'm gonna stop knocking the possibility that people have a natural knack for fighting or the ability to train themselves to some level of effectiveness even without a structured environment.
@@kovenmaitreya7184 This is a great point. On the whole, nothing beats sparring. But there are folks who are just naturally much more self and environmentally aware and they can learn and counter quickly on their feet.
@@chaosapiant yeah, i've heard of people that imagine themselves sparring (yes, this sounds stupid) against some strong opponent, and actually learn things.
Basically one of the points of shadowboxing
@@jestfullgremblim8002 Baki??
It's simple really. All men are not made equal, and some people are just born fighters. This guy has some talent both as an athlete and as a learner which are two of the most important aspects in becoming a good martial artist, with hard work and smart training the sky is the limit for people like him, providing he has the heart and desire when the going gets tough. He looks like he could've been the goods if he started early enough.
Dude, I love the pride in your voice when you're talking about Blackie Chan, like he's your own kid, it literally made made me smile.
Haha dude, I have always been a fan of when someone recognized the talent and potential. That's so cool. The new prodigy is an evolving human.
what a true instructer that cares sounds like
You know who was very analytical? GSP. Also, it's really fun that he made you so curious and engaged.
Interesting catch... I am going to explore that more.
It was an incidental elbow. His natural instinct to spin comes with flared elbows to stabilize himself. I do not believe that he meant to hit you.
That said, once he perfects the spinning elbow, he's got a legit fight ender in it.
Great video. Loved it.
Seems to be a very level headed emotionally mature dude who has a genuine interest in learning and improving. I'm glad you guys connected and he's training with you. :)
His boxing got astronomically better. That's crazy
He's a natural, he moves great for his level of proper training. Great, controlled sparring in this video, too. Sparring always turned into fighting fast in every gym I've ever trained, sadly.
No way he never gone to another gym or anything tho.
NO WAY. The way he pivits the foot when he kicks, the guard, spinning kicks (there are some flaws in the spinning back kick but) is proof that he has had some type of training more than just sparring with his brother.
@hard2hurt VERY good job with your coaching, i can see BlackieChan has the natural ability to absorb coaching into his style. Cliff did a great job with his control and allowing Jackie to find himself.
Some people just naturally have the affinity for fighting and learning how to fight, just like some people can be natural and learn quick on an instrument
Can we just appreciate how good cliff was with him there at the start, Letting him know whats up without being a jerk what a dude.
The fact that you made this entire video about another person shows how much enjoy being a coach and that's so refreshing to see. 🙌
Get Blackie chan into the ufc!
He would get smoked. Stop overhyping because he's being pumped up on this channel.
@@ItsWillYumm In his current state yeah. Give him a few years of conditioning and training and who knows?
@@dannnmerkle7930 he's DEFINITELY better than most. I honestly don't believe he has had no training. But that's me. I just have to take their word unless proven otherwise. Also, it's not unheard of for someone to have great photogenic memory and analyze and fine tune by watching training vids. If thats his case, he's a beautiful learner. In which I'm jealous of because I could have used that many years ago and avoid so many issues lmfao
@Joske Vermeulen there’s been a couple ufc fighters who didn’t start until 30+
@@ItsWillYumm Just a note but "photogenic" means that you take good pictures. I think you meant "photographic" but that's a misnomer; it's called "eidetic memory". Some people have a knack for seeing and replicating movements and I honestly think we need a new term for that heh
He seems to be an incredible novice fighter. Super athletic and seemed to pick up things that you even didn’t tell him about just from watching. Also that spinning elbow was for sure an accident. If you watch the other spins he does he lifts his elbow every time I assume to block anything his opponent might throw in the spin
I will be absolutely honest with you. I think his talent is being wasted on street beefs. Not only is his coordination, timing and composure on point he adapts very quickly. Several times he pin pointed openings, set traps and capitalized on the openings once a movement was repeated. He is a rear breed indeed. That spinning Elbow wasn't an elbow that's how he resets. I think he should turn it into a spinning Elbow or spinning back fist since a spin like that leaves you blind for a bit and can set up a head strike but he is indeed talented. Great job with him. I will follow him and I hope he makes good out of the opportunity to work with you.
It's actually scary how good he looks with so little practice.... You could put this sparring footage in front of anyone and they would think he's been training for years.
"Whoever needs to sit out, sit out. I can go again, whoever wants to go with me."
*Internally: Please, no one go with me.*
Talent is rare, hope he refines it into skills.
The difference between talent and no talent is the time and effort required to attain the required skill level. No talent is not 'no way', just 'way' with a whole lot more effort and commitment. "Talent" just gives one a head start.
@@burnerjack01 You've completely contradicted yourself in an effort to be argumentative. Weak.
@@burnerjack01 That's not *entirely* true. Some people just have better motor control than the average person. Most people just call them "athletes" and the ones that are at the peak of human physique are basically demigods lol
@@FaithRox Not trying to be argumentative at all. Just posting what I have witnessed first hand. Maybe you misunderstood or maybe I just failed to properly annunciate my thoughts. I have seen techs who were just straight up, "whizz-bang" good at picking up new techniques and technologies where others, more experienced, but (albeit) less talented struggle on and on, but they get 'there' eventually. That's pretty much all I meant.
@@burnerjack01 talent is not just a head start. Talent also determines how large their long term potential is.
I’m impressed. I want him down here at Lionheart MMA. Mike bring him for the seminar. If possible :)
I’m glad you pointed out him being analytical, as to why he might have picked up on details so quickly. Of course that’s probably going to be his “weakness” the deeper he gets into the game and the more he puts pressure on himself…..not to say that he couldn’t hone that still….just a guess.
As a martial arts instructor myself.. i understand why he is so impressed with the guy… it IS rare to get these kind of students.. 😁😁 probably because the way icy mike teaches is very realistic based… and thats a huge factor..
Icy Mike, you are an amazing instructor. Very knowledgeable and an expert at observing what your student is or isn't doing. My favorite part of your approach is that you compliment a skill set and enhance it by adding to it with your knowledge and masterful approach. There are too many instructors out there, albeit also experienced, but have that borderline belligerent, "THIS IS HOW YOU DO IT" approach.
This is dope. You can feel his intentions when sparring with Mike. Good shit
DAMN am I having a great time living vicarious and watching y'all spar.
This is beautiful.
Love the respect and the skills consistently demonstrated on this channel. Big ups to Mike and Blackie Chan.
A big part of his progress was due to his humbleness and willingness to learn
You are an amazing instructor. You do everything right for the benefit of those you coach. If you were Kimbo Slice's coach, he would have been successful in MMA. The reason Kimbo failed at MMA was because his coaches tried to change the way he fought instead of nurturing his attributes and strengths. Kimbo was great in his first few fights and then he started to decline. The way you coached Blackie Chan was the exact way Kimbo should have been coached. Great video!
@@theodorospalikrushevopoulo1898 Not true.
@@theodorospalikrushevopoulo1898 wasn't the point of the spar to learn?
Not to get his ass kicked by a pro
@@theodorospalikrushevopoulo1898 technical sparring is incredibly important lol.
@@theodorospalikrushevopoulo1898 How should you remember your training if you get knocked out every session? ;)
I don’t think his spin was aggressive, you could see that he pulled up at the end but maybe didn’t expect you to still be in position. He’s definitely a unique talent and a quick study.
I'm proud of him. I'm proud of you. Man, I'm just proud to witness this.
A lot of good things happening all at once in this video.
@@hard2hurt heck yes it is Coach! I just realized that I wasn't subbed on this account (I am on another) had to sub on this one too. Your channel is a legit cornerstone in the community in my opinion. If anyone disagrees then I really don't care.
Wow this was awesome. Major props to you guys for supporting Blackie Chan, and encouraging others to get into a gym. Truth is your channel was part of the reason I joined a boxing gym recently. I'm still getting my butt kicked but I'm sticking with it :)
This is supercool to watch! Gentlemen showing their love for the art and big heart. Looking forward to subscribing to his channel whenever it pops up!
I just love thinking about how he's watching this taking even more notes, I'd love to see his TH-cam channels for sure - especially on his idealism on learning.
There was a guy who came to my jujitsu school. I had started a few months before him and when we rolled I submitted him. He went and got his friends and watched tapes and practiced in his garage. A couple months later he surpassed me and a few others that were all beginners. He begin rolling well against the higher belts as well. So yes some people can take videos and practice with their friends and be at a better level than we would expect when the start to practice. Plus like you said he did practice with his brother. That is always cool. My brother wasn’t into any martial arts so no fun for us.
Proud of him tbh. One thing i learned from getting "hurt" when i train somebody is that its me almost always who let it happen. Now intentions is another thing but considering a nice guy who is 110% in there to learn from you and try to surpass himself while being also overwhelmed to an extend from who u are vs him is totally understandable to lose control momentarily on his side. You on the other hand teaching, you are not just trying to be there for the fight (its not really your fight at that point) you are not even analysing for yourself. During the "fight" you are not only trying to find his weaknesses, at the same time you are trying to make him unfold his skill/control/technique/tactics/emotions while thinking about how to help him improve on each of those..because thats you do as someone trying to help. Proud of both of you tbh. congrats lads, you make this such a nice journey for everyone. Now a nice challenge for me would be to go back and analyse my mistakes (e.g when i accidentally was about to get k.oed for example) and try to improve on that while being distracted by something. "handicap" myself so i learn how to overcome that. Much love fighters!
Cliff has some incredible skills and a great temperament. 👍
I'm loving that you guys are working together! You can literally see his brain ticking over the whole time, taking in the information and studying the movements of the person he's sparring with! I would absolutely sub to his channel!
I think BlackieChan’s elbow was instinct. He was NOT trying to hurt you, and it was a honest mistake…a mix between evading, regaining his balance, and his body telling him to attack. Very good instincts!
As a coach, teacher and yet student and admirer of the 'art', you are still humble. I appreciate your heart and skill, good sir. I just subbed. Cheers mate
After fully watching this, I can say this guy moves well for no training. I can see that he's quickly utilizing the things you've taught. His lateral movement, head movement along with his striking is in place. He has good Bob and weaves too. He could definately go pro in like 2 years I feel if he wanted. He just needs to learn how to read and block kicks better when they're coming up top. Seems like he checks low kicks rather well
That guy reminds me of a friend I had in high school. We were 18 and he came to my kickboxing gym. Same as this guy. Never formally trained. Everything was from watching martial arts movies and magazines back in the day. He was literally a better fighter than 70% of the guys in the gym. Crazy stuff. In saying that. He was also a quick learner. Very analytical and of course you still do need the physical attributes of a good fighter. Great video 👌
Training with Icy Mike and his group sounds so fun and is honestly one of my dreams
It's awesome to see such kindness and generosity in training and Life!
💖🙏💕
cant wait to see him fight again!! he’s such an inspiration
Bro i remember like a year ago me and my flatmate wanted to start training, but we never had any meaningfull coaching. We got some pads, pulled up youtube, and started learning, since covid closed up all of the gyms. I never forget looking at this small bald dude shouting around on how to lead hook. But damn my lead hook is spicy now thanks to you (on top of other things)
I sparred with my female boxer friend that have around 3 years of experience, training in same gym as Blachowicz.
Didnt land on me once and i am a fat c*nt, so thats not my athletic abilities speaking.
You guys with Seth, Wonderboy and Kwonkicker through sharing your knowledge, changed my life.
Slimmer, more confident and happy.
What i noticed from learning on youtube is that knowledge of anatomy is very important to see all the nuances in the techniques, if you want to replicate them based on just seeing it (nobody directly teaching and correcting your form).
Recording yourself/mirror is a must if you wanna learn that way.
When you see stuff like this for Mike it just goes to show some of his own stories about saying guys went too far in sparring before makes you wonder just how rough of sparring they were doing to make Mike think that way, when you see stuff like elbows like that and completely just writes it off.
It's always really cool to see people who are just naturally gifted at something, or are just on a whole other level with adapting and skill absorption. It's incredible to see this dude move and apply such precision to his hits.
Yeah, I've been training since I was a kid, both in traditional arts and now in combat sports, and watching him on streetbeefs, I would have thought he'd been training in a legit gym including sparring for at least 2 or 3 years with that level of skill.
The fact that he is like a sponge and doesn’t let his ego rule him is what makes him a great student and fast learner. Keep going bro.🙏
He should use "I want trouble" as a catchphrase.
Lmao! I see what ya did there!
@@AztecUnshaven And i don't...what does this mean?
@@buttox It's a parody of Jackie Chan's famous phrase in his American action films, "I don't wan't no trouble!"
@@AztecUnshaven Ohh okay thanks
Excellent commentary thanks for taking the time to help one of our upcoming stars in the ring. He’s already off to a good start but often got too wild. Great potential and amazing skills. Tanks for taking the time to make and post this.
Awesome work Mike, the dude is incredible! Looking forward to seeing more of what he does! Keep up the good work Mike, this goes to prove the impact of this channel and good work you and the team are doing
Man what you do brings me joy, I know it brings you so much joy.
That is so cool how you kept your composure and I love how you are about bringing people up. I hope to be a coach like that one day.
Damn that's insane, you can see him change.
The second you made his boxing crisper he was boxing so well, when he learned to be more defensive through sparring, it happened so quickly and he looked so different instantly. This is mad.
He looks like he has been training a good few years consistently.
That's what's up!,🥊💯
Great to see you help him and teach him along with his UNLIMITED POTENTIAL! Really looking forward to see more of this PROSPECT!
You're an amazing coach with an amazing team! Wish I could train with you guys!🔥
Thank you sharing your expertise, along with educated content!🙏🥊💯
It has probably been said but I think what impresses me the most is his ability to listen to and perform the instructions given by the coach (Mike or Cliff) while sparring. He isn't tunnel visioned and only focussing on what he wants to get out of sparring but is always open to instruction and learning.
I think there are a lot more people like him than we think. Most of my friends are really smart, analytical people. We're mostly all scientists and engineers, that's kind of necessary. It's just that the intelligence has to come together with the interest to fight and the athleticism to do it.
hard to find smart guys that want to fight
The other times he spun out his partner kept distance. He made contact with you because you crashed in off the catch. He's talented and it's awesome that you brought him in. That memory will stick with him forever.
Dude is brilliant and this video is a testament to what great coaching is. The fact that u didn't want to alter him too much but add to how he does things.
Also how u analyzed the spinning move he does to get out of being caught. Which made you understand his intention wasn't to hurt u in sparring but probably a move which can't be unlearned.
Question tho: if his street beef opponents watch this and his other videos, is there a way they could set him up with that spinning move he does to get out those positions. How would one accomplish that?
I love how he shouted you out and you brought him in to train big props to both of you shits the bomb
Now you’re gonna end up in the ufc corner as his coach
Beers for you
@hard2hurt…i am also very impressed with your composure and ego control. Very good video, proud of all you guys!
Hard 2 Hurt. Easy 2 Meet fans
I really love this story, because this is how *I* learned to fight, and I've NEVER heard of anyone else doing it and being good! I even tried to get into Streetbeefs (they don't have any branches up here in Oregon, sadly) but it makes me so happy that even if it's just the two of us in the whole world that have taken this approach and made it work, that he's doing his thing and kicking ass. Wholesome guy, super cool to see.
Yeah this kid's got to get some backing and training. I'd love to see him do some kickboxing for a while then move on to MMA. It has to all be fast because of his age but with his ability to absorb he can do it. Reminds me of Francis Ngannou.
Really enjoy your breakdowns of fights and sparring. Helps me understand what is going on. Also appreciate your encouragement and support of this guy as a fighter, as a person and as a potential content creator.
If he is very analytical there’s a reason why he learned from you. The one thing I enjoy about you is your focus on strategy. Simple put there’s a reason Sun Tzu was so successful.
Strategy is underappreciated in martial arts.
@@hard2hurt one of my favorite strategies you talked about was Nate Daiz shit talking opponents into trading blows with him. It’s simple but it some how works.
Icey mike, i luv u dude. Ty for ur service as a cop. I feel better knowing there are dudes like u on the force. Also thank you so much for running a gym and having this youtube channel as a window for me to see into a world i know very little about. (Health issues) thankyou sir. We need mire men in our society like you.
I think the elbow was a slip. He got caught, threw it harder/faster because he wanted to practice it, and just messed up a little. If you watch his reaction, it looks like he knew he caught you, but you played it off so he didn't apologize or necessarily realize how hard it was. Fits with his personality as you describe it too, I think.
Agreed, that was a strike, but he pulled it on contact, which itself shows uncommon awareness and skill for a noob.
i see a fighter willing to learn and with a natural talent .. but more so i see an instructor willing to teach regardless ... seeing the mutual respect and composure displayed by both is a joy ... keep inspiring IcyMike :D
11:30 this is why people need to start making more elbow pads so you can practice your elbows and sparring
I always liked your channel. Now I love it. Much respect to you for being an honest guy, and props for helping another guy get on.
See if you can take him professional and see how far he can go.
Difference between street fights and inside ring sparring, really smooth, that's cool that you brought him in and show him a couple of things. Pretty cool video.
Does anyone know how tall Mike is because Blackie chan is allegedly 5"6 and it might be the camera angle but he consistently appears to be 2-3 inches taller than Mike!
Blackie Chan is so natural and fluid. He did a phenomenal job. A warrior and a gentle man. He is humble and learns so well. Keep it up Chan. Always he humble and be willing to learn. Well done Mate
the video we've been expecting.
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So cool that you brought Blackie Chan out. Thats one thing I love about fighting is that it brings people together. Respect my friend❤
Icy, you think in sparring there needs to be an understanding to not be a volume fighter because you aren't really learning? Because you can't really stave off their volume unless you teep them hard or pop them in the face. If that makes sense. Enjoy your analysis so much as well.
Maybe you’re just not very good at handling volume yet
I think sparring is the perfect time to practice being a volume fighter because you can't get popped hard lol.
I pretty much also learned everything I know from TH-cam. Every day I'm down in my basment hittting the bags, and a couple times a week my friends come over and we spar, and im getting better every day. All thanks to guys like you, Ramsey dewey, fight tips, and every other fight channel on youtube; I can't express my gratitude enough, for sharing your wisdom with everyone
talk about natural talent
great humility and learning coach ,you did very well
Blackie Chan should do UFC and film
Stop
Stop it. You will get him murdered. He's not even close to making it to Karate Combat lol
Love seeing sparring done right and seeing that acknowledgement of "you got me there" from all sides. Hate it when sparring turns into fighting.
First, i think
nah
This right here... is what makes America great. Great teacher, great student.
first
Based on the other clips you showed of the way he spins when he gets stuck, I agree that was an accident. He wasn't trying to elbow you.
And yes, I'd love seeing more of Blackie Chan. Does he have a TH-cam page yet?
He’s very active with his punches. That helps to throw a higher volume of punches. Out working your opponent definitely can overwhelm them. He mixes both his punches and kicks together very effectively.
Thank you so much for supporting others like Blackie Chan. And yes, I can't wait for him to start his own channel (don't be bashful: you have a LOT to offer already!).
Hard2hurt rocks!
Your an amazing coach, I was exactly like that brother in my younger years of fighting, only learned from movies and vhs tapes along with sparring with cousins. Then I joined the gym and displayed my skills, but I really didn't have good one on one coaching like I should have had. I really regret that and I know I could have gone far if I had someone who cared as much as you show. I now do a little coaching myself, and I train like I should have been trained, just like you train, and I really admire that. Love your videos.
Hell yeah everyone’s been waiting for another Blackie Chan video 💪