@@richard77231 Honestly the Bajoran ability to project their power is so weak that I'd suspect "mouth of the Wormhole" would count as Deep Space to them, the term is relative after all not absolute. This is probably why they wouldn't object to the Deep Space 9 name either as they asked the Federation to handle the operation and thus would know it's far from Federation core worlds.
What did Bajor name the station? DS9 is Starfleet designation. Bajor letting Starfleet run their station is like Cyprus letting the Brits run their island.
@@leoperidot482 Well, it was a Cardassian station called Terok Nor. Starfleet took over the station to help the Bajorans prepare for entry into the Federation and designated it DS9, so it would be like Cyprus letting the Brits run their PORT because they wanted to join the British Empire eventually and wanted legitimate guidance on the path.
Deep Space 5 was mentioned in "Star Trek: First Contact" as having reported the destruction of the Federation colony at Ivor Prime. Somehow, Picard knew that the Borg had done so. That's the only Deep Space station I knew about other than 9.
Imagine being a respected Commander post Wolf-359, given your choice of Deep Space stations to captain. You pick at random, 7 has to be pretty lucky right? 6 months later, you're waking up at 0500 every morning for the daily logistics report and the guy two stations over is the 2nd coming of space Jesus, chilling with Worf and Wormhole people.
Can you imagine there are actually still fans out there who refuse to engage with DS9 as its supposedly not "real star trek" as its based on a space station? Imagine ignoring the greatest Trek for such a sad reason lol
@@swfcocs1 I'm pretty sure Ric only glossed over DS9 here because he will cover it separately, given that including it could more than double the runtime and he tends to keep these videos bite-sized.
@@SpaceGhost1701 Has he? I must be getting my Trek 'tubers confused (entirely possible, my memory can be very suggestible). Still, he's entitled to his opinions, they're valid even if we don't like or agree with them.
The 'K' series space stations were named so, because they were built along the galactic border with the Klingons and acted as a multi-purpose space station, to resupply both civilian and Starfleet ships alike. They were also listening posts keeping an eye on the movement of ships in Klingon space. However once the Klingon fleet started utilizing the cloaking device, these stations were not that useful anymore, hence the later Epsilon listening posts built to replace them ( As seen in The Motionpicture). You are partially correct that the K series stations were later sold to private interests, or scrapped though. Otherwise it was an interesting video.
What never made sense was for a 23rd 24th 25th century there’s only one Spacedock at Earth , where’s all the orbital platforms and orbital defences, as well as the power station seen in DS9
There were more than one space dock and were mentioned in the books. But the space dock at Earth was one of the few that had dry docks where major repairs could be made and were close to production facilities where ships were built and therefore where required repair parts could be produced and sent to the dry docks.
The fact that there's one facility called Earth Spacedock doesn't mean there are no other orbital facilities. We've seen several others, e.g. McKinley Station.
I’ve just finished DMing a very similar game! DS4 is a fab setting, close to unexplored space but also on the boarder of the Romulan neutral zone so plenty of opportunity for skulduggery
My head canon is that DS1 was taken in the Romulan war from the Star Empire and was relatively isolated, especially in the post-war effort to rebuild. It was also a crucial piece of infrastructure for maintaining the newly established neutral zone.
I was waiting and hoping for a final mention of the deepest deep space station Babylon5 - just entirely due to the DS9/B5 controversy back in the day. Even so, enjoyed the video :)
While it is true space is traversable in three dimensions, due to angular momentum the vast majority of star systems, and the planets within those systems, exist on more or less a single plane.
@@martinjrgensen8234 Simple to read, but for example you can hardly show the common border of Cardassians, Romulans and Breens what they have and we know that thanks to DS9. Then you can't imagine Dominion ships cutting through Romulan territory, or why the Klingons are at war with the Cardassians, it doesn't make any sense on a 2D map.
There was a sister station to DS9 (Empok Nor) actually in an episode of the series, but it was abandoned, where they had to go to this station to salvage parts for DS9 as being a identical design and hard to obtain parts.
it was never under the Starfleet or even federation control anyway. It was only ever under the control of the Kardashians or under the control of the pah wraith cult, led by a Kardashian.
It's pretty interesting how many variants on the "saucer/dome with central spine" type designs there have been. Even back to the very first on-screen UFP station, K7, they were clearly modular designs built-around a central spine. Then the Orbital Office Complex/Regula 1 model, Earth Spacedock, Jupiter Station, etc models continued it. But you're showing some unique designs from STO or some of the books which I really like! We have smaller mushrooms than ESD, we have larger sprawls like K13, and even clear transition-points between the 23rd century Starbase One design and its 24th century versions. Lastly I'll point-out that the Klingon station Ty'Gokor also has a pretty similar backbone-first design, it's just the bits they have jutting-off it are blocks instead of saucers. I really like this design aspect in Trek, because it builds-on the very realistic uninhabited-central-truss design for space stations. Some of the windows feel a little superfluous for what you imagine are connecting-corridors and elevator shafts, but maybe there's actually a number of crew quarters inside them like you said with K7.
Deep Space Relay Stations an entire group of subspace relay stations placed at different points to help with long range communications. Interior stations are Relay station xxx while those on the edge of space are DSRS xxx Theres also deep space monitoring arrays, deep space listening arrays :)
@@poolhall9632 I have been a Trekkie since TNG “The Best Of Both World’s” and I have never heard of Deep Space 8 in any TV series or movie that is canon. First Contact mentioned DS5. But that’s it. But if you play it back starting at 6:00, he starts talking about DS8 construction being halted at the beginning of the Dominion War. I know he said the names would be reused but I really don’t think Starfleet would take any existing space station and renaming it DS9 when DS8 doesn’t even exist yet.
I'm the guessing the combination of how big and fancy it is combined with it being a relatively low priority means it construction was slow so it was named and started before DS9. That or maybe 8 is unlucky in Bajor and they just skipped to the next number.
@@ThomasstevenSlater yes. The first part you said is possible if DS8 was started before DS9 series started. But that would mean that space station construction is very time consuming. But it is plausible that 8 is a very unlucky number on Bajor like we have 13 or 666 but highly unlikely. Luck was never mentioned on the show and they just had faith that the prophets would guide them.
my theory would be that Deep Space Stations inside the UFP Territory make sense since not every sun has planets or even colonies and some are systems are shurely off limits because of the Prime Directive and they fit perfectly in Roddenberrys pitch of Star Trek since they would act like an Oasis, coaling station or refueling point from the 20/30s that are deep in a nation buuut also inside a desert. the Writers may never found distance, star dencity or population important for their story they wanted to tell which is all good and fine, worked for decades BUT, since when does such things let us nerds stop and try to find meaning and sense in throwaway lines
Excellent video. I had not heard any lore about the other stations, so this video was very informative and entertaining. Looking at the star map you provided, you can see that most of Deep Space stations surrounded the other major powers, ostensibly to spy on them, like the Romulans, the Klingons, the Gorn, the Cardassians, and even the Ferengi. There were 6 stations surrounding the Romulans: DS1, DS4, DS5, DS7, DS8, and DS12. It’s amazing that the Federation wasn’t able to contain them better than they had. They should’ve launching points for an invasion. Fortunately for them, the Federation is not an aggressive power although it should be. There was something admirable and authentic about the Terran Empire.
4:48 can you imagine how weird that debrief must have been? I feel desynced from time whenever i wake up. At least they have access to excellent counseling cause they would need it
I like the Starfleet battles usage of the border stations, K-7 was on the Klingon border , there was a R series as well along Romulan border, I think there was a G for Gorn and Z used for the Kzinti. I like the idea that Deep Space series was for area's far outside of the normal lines or use to be outside of Federation space.
My head canon sees starbases with numbers as Starfleet operated bases. Starbases with proper names are mission specific or honorific names operated by Starfleet or civilian contractors. DS stations are bases operated by Starfleet in the edge of federation space or in non-federation space with strategic or humanitarian reasons. DS stations usually tell federation personal to be on alert when approaching and to double check the local rules as it might not follow standard Starfleet regulations. This is especially the case if it’s based on non-federation space.
An interesting fact is that only two-thirds of DS9's fusion generators worked by the time Sisko and crew took over. The others were surveyed by Federation engineers and found to be too dangerous to run with cracked liners and broken control machinery. Since most of the station's power had been used to smelt Bajoran ore however they were not missed when Terek Nor changed roles (and names!) There was also a tacked-on external fuel tank down in the reactor ring as well that may or may not have been sabotaged by either Bajoran terrorists or potentially by Section 31. A lot of really nice design went into Terek Nor/DS9. However I must say that I always thought the spinning drum photon torpedo launchers that were installed after The Founders began to make their presence felt were flawed. I don't think that can possibly be the most efficient way to launch swarms of missiles.
"but I was going into Tosche Station to pick up some power converters" -Luke S But on topic the stations like Epsilon 9 must have been deep space scientific near the Klingon areas before V'Ger gobbled it up. About K-7 I wonder if Cyrano Jones was able to stop roaming around the station collecting tribbles before the new owners took possession of the station. If I were the Duras House I would have just fumigated the station with poison and opened the airlocks before boarding.
I always understood deep space to a distinction from starbase. 2 dimensions, one that they were up slower standards often. Because we're more tenuous and two that they were outside federation territory. That would make a deep space space station. Substandard starbase that doubles as a colony, for outside of at least the fully integrated federation economy and system.
🖖😎👍 Very totally very cool and very nicely greatly well done and wonderfully informatively explained and executed in every detail way shape and format provided on "What About The Other Deep Space Stations!". A job very fabulously nicely well done indeed Sir!👌.
I've wanted to know for 34 years why Station Salem 1 was, with Pearl Harbor, remembered as: "A bloody preamble to war". As Picard said in: 'The Defector"...😉
The DS9 crew cannibalized much of the important systems that were still somewhat working back before/during the Dominion War so I'd imagine it wouldn't have been occupied again
I always assumed that the Deep Space naming scheme was for bases outside Federation territorial jurisdiction. Otherwise I can’t help but think the people who have lived near them might feel quite insulted that their area of space might be considered sort of parochial or on the periphery, where presumably they might consider themselves to live in the center of their own understanding of the universe
My thinking was always keep it simple. If it's built inside Federation territory it's a Starbase. If it's outside of Federation Territory it's a Deep Space.
We've seen DS5 and DS9, and others have been mentioned, so we can assume there's other DS stations into the double digits even though they've never been depicted on a show or movie.
Starfleet likely wouldn't name DS9 number 9 if there were more of them. After all, the series starts with the moment of passing it to starfleet. So they would have picked the latest "free" number, right?
Deep Space 9, on the frontier edge of Federation space, while also conviently close enough to Earth for regular visits, and even to Q'onos, which technically lies half a quadrant away.
If my memory serves me well i belive that DS-4 was space station from where parents and little Annika departed to explore Borgs , than Annika was captured and assimilated into 7of9
From a fleet management point of view, repurposing vehicle number is the main source of chaos. Nobody does it really. There must be data in the system about the decomissioned platforms, for research and development purposes. But if you start repurposing old fleet numbers, the whole dataset just gets mixed up. Especially bad if they are on a different location. All you need is a supply freighter missed the last data update, and ending up at the wrong end of the galaxy. The same with combat support, manpower transfer, etc.
making ds9 an old cardassian mining satellite, and thus one of the more unique starbases, makes it feel like some UN building in some post soviet country.
Be kind of interesting to see you do a vid of the populations of the UFP over the years, how it grew. Trying to get the feel of the real size of an interstellar government.
Where did you get that notion? There were tons of windows along the promenade. There was many a scene where the characters would be looking out of the windows and talking or staring at the wormhole.
The space station that was destroyed by the passage of V'ger -- I think that was XE (Chi-Epsilon). It was a very strange looking structure. Is there a canon back-story to it?
I have a curious what if itch, seeing how wolverine has indestructible metal bonded to his bones, would his bones and metal be left behind on the teleportation pad if he decided to get teleported? Seeing how it is indestructible how would the teleporter be able to break it down to move it elsewhere? Also what other indestructible metals aka unobtanium could be passed through a teleporter and make it to ithe location they are trying to send it?
If you look at the star map, you can see why the Romulans are so paranoid. They are nearly surrounded by the Federation and they share a small border with the Klingon Empire. There is no room for expansion. Do not forget the 45th rile of Acquisition, Expand Or Die!
If you have ever experienced what it is like to go through a name change of the road you live on, you would understand why nobody wants to change the name of a station.
OMG. I know this all too well. I just moved to where I currently live in June although the closing was complete in May, but as of June 4 the city changed my street name, although I've had to use the new name for some things in the old name for others because somethings take longer to proliferate their systems and don't update properly so it's been very messy.
DS 253 is not necessary the 253rd station. If Starfleets numbering is similar to earth tradition it might as well be the 3rd subsubunit of the 5th subunit of the 2nd whatever. Or it could be a reference code to a function that it has.
What I always found fascinating and both beautiful is the number of windows, it just shows the colossal size of those structures, but somehow I think that people from the future are gona laugh at our perception of future, cuz the necessity to have windows is probably gona fade with screens being better and better. Why needing a window when you can have a screen on the bulkhead with same resolution as if you were watching outside for real. But I would always prefer a good ol’ fashioned window in my quarters
Legend has it Deep Space 1-3 were sabatoged, and Deep Space 4 was stolen.... borrowed by Sinclair to fight the Shadows 1,000..... wrong show.
🤣
I blame the Shadows
@@bigfootwalker5399 I blame Zathras.
@@goldenknight578 i think you mean Zathras or Zathras...hm
Of course we will have to blame Zathras. Maybe not Zathras, but FOR SURE Zathras.
Starfleet: We'll call the station "Deep Space 9."
Bajor: We'll call the station "As Local As It Gets... 9"
Brilliant.
Nope, once they moved it away from Bajor orbit and to the mouth of the wormhole, it was "Nearly as Local As It Gets...9"
Imagine the Klingons built a station within Sol, and called it “Deep Space Ka’Pla” or something.
“Huh, so that’s what it feels like. 🤔”
@@UGNAvalonDeep Space Success is a Little presumptuous, even for our friendly forehead-ridged neighbours
@@richard77231 Honestly the Bajoran ability to project their power is so weak that I'd suspect "mouth of the Wormhole" would count as Deep Space to them, the term is relative after all not absolute. This is probably why they wouldn't object to the Deep Space 9 name either as they asked the Federation to handle the operation and thus would know it's far from Federation core worlds.
Another thing is Deep Space stations seem to be set up to function autonomously if they are cut off from the normal federation logistics.
What did Bajor name the station? DS9 is Starfleet designation. Bajor letting Starfleet run their station is like Cyprus letting the Brits run their island.
@@leoperidot482 You mean it would be like Cyprus letting the Turks run their island.
@@leoperidot482 Well, it was a Cardassian station called Terok Nor. Starfleet took over the station to help the Bajorans prepare for entry into the Federation and designated it DS9, so it would be like Cyprus letting the Brits run their PORT because they wanted to join the British Empire eventually and wanted legitimate guidance on the path.
@@liteney Either way.
@@leoperidot482 No, the Brits did not colonize Cyprus, the Turks did. IN this case the Turks are the Cadassians, and the Brits are the Federation.
Deep Space 5 was mentioned in "Star Trek: First Contact" as having reported the destruction of the Federation colony at Ivor Prime. Somehow, Picard knew that the Borg had done so. That's the only Deep Space station I knew about other than 9.
that's the one out by Kzinti space....
I always figured deep space stations were put where there were no UFP planet near to deal with the basics of what the station covered
this is actually very smart
Imagine being a respected Commander post Wolf-359, given your choice of Deep Space stations to captain. You pick at random, 7 has to be pretty lucky right? 6 months later, you're waking up at 0500 every morning for the daily logistics report and the guy two stations over is the 2nd coming of space Jesus, chilling with Worf and Wormhole people.
Then I say I got lucky. I don't want any of his problems.
Yeah, but he also has to deal with Kai Winn. So all in all a wash.
I always found it weird that Deep Space 9 was Deep space since its so close to Bajor but this vid explained why. Mystery solved lol.
"I've never heard of DS9 so moving on." 🤣🤣🤣
Can you imagine there are actually still fans out there who refuse to engage with DS9 as its supposedly not "real star trek" as its based on a space station? Imagine ignoring the greatest Trek for such a sad reason lol
@@swfcocs1 I'm pretty sure Ric only glossed over DS9 here because he will cover it separately, given that including it could more than double the runtime and he tends to keep these videos bite-sized.
@@WhitzWolf92 Nah, Ric has made it clear he doesn't like DS9. Many such "Trekkies" on youtube.
@@SpaceGhost1701 Has he? I must be getting my Trek 'tubers confused (entirely possible, my memory can be very suggestible). Still, he's entitled to his opinions, they're valid even if we don't like or agree with them.
Hahahahahaha😂😂😂
The 'K' series space stations were named so, because they were built along the galactic border with the Klingons and acted as a multi-purpose space station, to resupply both civilian and Starfleet ships alike. They were also listening posts keeping an eye on the movement of ships in Klingon space. However once the Klingon fleet started utilizing the cloaking device, these stations were not that useful anymore, hence the later Epsilon listening posts built to replace them ( As seen in The Motionpicture).
You are partially correct that the K series stations were later sold to private interests, or scrapped though. Otherwise it was an interesting video.
What never made sense was for a 23rd 24th 25th century there’s only one Spacedock at Earth , where’s all the orbital platforms and orbital defences, as well as the power station seen in DS9
Budget restrictions and time restrictions for effects
There were more than one space dock and were mentioned in the books. But the space dock at Earth was one of the few that had dry docks where major repairs could be made and were close to production facilities where ships were built and therefore where required repair parts could be produced and sent to the dry docks.
Unless your ship is actively being resupplied or repaired, it’s perfectly fine staying in orbit using shuttles and transporters when needed.
space is huuuuuuuuge. so is the earth. You going to see an office building 1000 miles away?
The fact that there's one facility called Earth Spacedock doesn't mean there are no other orbital facilities. We've seen several others, e.g. McKinley Station.
I'm running a Star Trek table-top RPG for a group of friends...and they're based out of Deep Space 4. :)
Cool! That sounds like so much fun
I’ve just finished DMing a very similar game! DS4 is a fab setting, close to unexplored space but also on the boarder of the Romulan neutral zone so plenty of opportunity for skulduggery
@@paulgibson193 I had no idea there was such a thing! How does one get into something like that?
My head canon is that DS1 was taken in the Romulan war from the Star Empire and was relatively isolated, especially in the post-war effort to rebuild. It was also a crucial piece of infrastructure for maintaining the newly established neutral zone.
Man, that sucks that Rick doesn't have any info on DS9. Someone should make a show!
I was waiting and hoping for a final mention of the deepest deep space station Babylon5 - just entirely due to the DS9/B5 controversy back in the day. Even so, enjoyed the video :)
And Deep Space 69 was ... nice.
That's just Risa.
They really like rule 34 there.
"Deep Space 11..."
**long pause**
"Existed" 😂😂😂😂
Would you mind elaborating on that? This is the first I have heard of Deep Space 11. Thanks!
@@calcubite9298it was mentioned once in Star Trek: Picard
And never again
There is no significance to this name
@@calcubite9298 It replaced Deep Space 4, I believe.
UFP maps always fail to address the 3d nature of space
It is to make it easy to read. A 3d map of the galaxy would e very confusing to look at
Borders only work with civilisations the UFP has treaties with, xenophobic species like the Tholians probably don’t have or respect borders.
While it is true space is traversable in three dimensions, due to angular momentum the vast majority of star systems, and the planets within those systems, exist on more or less a single plane.
@@martinjrgensen8234 Simple to read, but for example you can hardly show the common border of Cardassians, Romulans and Breens what they have and we know that thanks to DS9. Then you can't imagine Dominion ships cutting through Romulan territory, or why the Klingons are at war with the Cardassians, it doesn't make any sense on a 2D map.
There was a sister station to DS9 (Empok Nor) actually in an episode of the series, but it was abandoned, where they had to go to this station to salvage parts for DS9 as being a identical design and hard to obtain parts.
It was in two episodes. The other one was when Dukat had his little Pah Wraith cult and kidnapped Kira.
it was never under the Starfleet or even federation control anyway. It was only ever under the control of the Kardashians or under the control of the pah wraith cult, led by a Kardashian.
@@Rorschachqp 3, it was also the site of the Ferengi exchange with the Dominion
@@Doney898 Yes you’re right.
Thanks for discussing the other Deep Space stations
Nice....Can you do something on The Nyberrite Alliance.....Really hard to find anything on them
Well nobody knows much, it's a really long way...
@@positronundervolt4799almost as far away as cestus 3
It's pretty interesting how many variants on the "saucer/dome with central spine" type designs there have been.
Even back to the very first on-screen UFP station, K7, they were clearly modular designs built-around a central spine. Then the Orbital Office Complex/Regula 1 model, Earth Spacedock, Jupiter Station, etc models continued it. But you're showing some unique designs from STO or some of the books which I really like! We have smaller mushrooms than ESD, we have larger sprawls like K13, and even clear transition-points between the 23rd century Starbase One design and its 24th century versions.
Lastly I'll point-out that the Klingon station Ty'Gokor also has a pretty similar backbone-first design, it's just the bits they have jutting-off it are blocks instead of saucers.
I really like this design aspect in Trek, because it builds-on the very realistic uninhabited-central-truss design for space stations. Some of the windows feel a little superfluous for what you imagine are connecting-corridors and elevator shafts, but maybe there's actually a number of crew quarters inside them like you said with K7.
Deep Space Relay Stations an entire group of subspace relay stations placed at different points to help with long range communications. Interior stations are Relay station xxx while those on the edge of space are DSRS xxx
Theres also deep space monitoring arrays, deep space listening arrays :)
Did anyone else catch that DS8 construction was halted during the Dominion war? That suggests that DS9 came before 8 by about 3-4 years.
Do you mean the existing Cardassian station TerokNor that became DS9?
How is everyone forgetting this....
@@poolhall9632 I have been a Trekkie since TNG “The Best Of Both World’s” and I have never heard of Deep Space 8 in any TV series or movie that is canon. First Contact mentioned DS5. But that’s it.
But if you play it back starting at 6:00, he starts talking about DS8 construction being halted at the beginning of the Dominion War.
I know he said the names would be reused but I really don’t think Starfleet would take any existing space station and renaming it DS9 when DS8 doesn’t even exist yet.
I'm the guessing the combination of how big and fancy it is combined with it being a relatively low priority means it construction was slow so it was named and started before DS9. That or maybe 8 is unlucky in Bajor and they just skipped to the next number.
@@ThomasstevenSlater yes. The first part you said is possible if DS8 was started before DS9 series started. But that would mean that space station construction is very time consuming.
But it is plausible that 8 is a very unlucky number on Bajor like we have 13 or 666 but highly unlikely. Luck was never mentioned on the show and they just had faith that the prophets would guide them.
my theory would be that Deep Space Stations inside the UFP Territory make sense since not every sun has planets or even colonies and some are systems are shurely off limits because of the Prime Directive and they fit perfectly in Roddenberrys pitch of Star Trek since they would act like an Oasis, coaling station or refueling point from the 20/30s that are deep in a nation buuut also inside a desert.
the Writers may never found distance, star dencity or population important for their story they wanted to tell which is all good and fine, worked for decades BUT, since when does such things let us nerds stop and try to find meaning and sense in throwaway lines
Nobody talks about the shallow space stations.
I do believe that Shallow Station 411 is near Voth space.
Excellent video. I had not heard any lore about the other stations, so this video was very informative and entertaining.
Looking at the star map you provided, you can see that most of Deep Space stations surrounded the other major powers, ostensibly to spy on them, like the Romulans, the Klingons, the Gorn, the Cardassians, and even the Ferengi. There were 6 stations surrounding the Romulans: DS1, DS4, DS5, DS7, DS8, and DS12. It’s amazing that the Federation wasn’t able to contain them better than they had. They should’ve launching points for an invasion. Fortunately for them, the Federation is not an aggressive power although it should be. There was something admirable and authentic about the Terran Empire.
I could never figure out why DS9's docking pylons pointed inward. Makes no scenes.
There were several scenes at those docking pylons.
I always thought it was so smaller ships with weaker shields, or no shields, could be better protected inside DS9s.
@@killnotic Exactly.
@@jonsnowight9510To protect ships with DS9s shield bubble
i think its meanly a scaling problem....there are som sceens a Galxay-class ist bearthed with pleanty of space
4:48 can you imagine how weird that debrief must have been? I feel desynced from time whenever i wake up. At least they have access to excellent counseling cause they would need it
I like the Starfleet battles usage of the border stations, K-7 was on the Klingon border , there was a R series as well along Romulan border, I think there was a G for Gorn and Z used for the Kzinti. I like the idea that Deep Space series was for area's far outside of the normal lines or use to be outside of Federation space.
I was looking for something like this after your K7 video. Bravo! Thanks!
My head canon sees starbases with numbers as Starfleet operated bases. Starbases with proper names are mission specific or honorific names operated by Starfleet or civilian contractors. DS stations are bases operated by Starfleet in the edge of federation space or in non-federation space with strategic or humanitarian reasons. DS stations usually tell federation personal to be on alert when approaching and to double check the local rules as it might not follow standard Starfleet regulations. This is especially the case if it’s based on non-federation space.
That’s interesting! There’s that old joke about “What happened to all the other 8 space stations?” This answers that! 🖖🏼
An interesting fact is that only two-thirds of DS9's fusion generators worked by the time Sisko and crew took over. The others were surveyed by Federation engineers and found to be too dangerous to run with cracked liners and broken control machinery. Since most of the station's power had been used to smelt Bajoran ore however they were not missed when Terek Nor changed roles (and names!) There was also a tacked-on external fuel tank down in the reactor ring as well that may or may not have been sabotaged by either Bajoran terrorists or potentially by Section 31.
A lot of really nice design went into Terek Nor/DS9. However I must say that I always thought the spinning drum photon torpedo launchers that were installed after The Founders began to make their presence felt were flawed. I don't think that can possibly be the most efficient way to launch swarms of missiles.
Really awesome job on this. Been subbed for a while and I have enjoyed your videos alot. Keep up the great work.
6:19 "...I've never heard of Deep Space Nine, so moving on."
Interesting video I've always wondered about this.
Really detailed and researched information - thank you for your insights
I do so enjoy these lore videos, many thanks!
"but I was going into Tosche Station to pick up some power converters" -Luke S But on topic the stations like Epsilon 9 must have been deep space scientific near the Klingon areas before V'Ger gobbled it up. About K-7 I wonder if Cyrano Jones was able to stop roaming around the station collecting tribbles before the new owners took possession of the station. If I were the Duras House I would have just fumigated the station with poison and opened the airlocks before boarding.
Wow, there's more info out there than I thought there would be.
Will always think earth Space dock to be one of the most beautiful scifi structures ever designed. I want one for my Christmas tree lol
You didn't mention Vanguard.
There's an incredible book series on the station that took place during the original series.
Vanguard wasn't a Deep Space station, it was officially named "Starbase 47"
I always understood deep space to a distinction from starbase. 2 dimensions, one that they were up slower standards often. Because we're more tenuous and two that they were outside federation territory. That would make a deep space space station.
Substandard starbase that doubles as a colony, for outside of at least the fully integrated federation economy and system.
Maybe in the distant future, humanity will have far flung deep space stations across the Milky Way. Thanks for another awesome video! 🍻
🖖😎👍 Very totally very cool and very nicely greatly well done and wonderfully informatively explained and executed in every detail way shape and format provided on "What About The Other Deep Space Stations!". A job very fabulously nicely well done indeed Sir!👌.
I've wanted to know for 34 years why Station Salem 1 was, with Pearl Harbor, remembered as: "A bloody preamble to war". As Picard said in: 'The Defector"...😉
Love the graphics in your videos fascinating 🎉🎉🎉
What became of Empok Nor after the dominion war?
The DS9 crew cannibalized much of the important systems that were still somewhat working back before/during the Dominion War so I'd imagine it wouldn't have been occupied again
I always assumed that the Deep Space naming scheme was for bases outside Federation territorial jurisdiction. Otherwise I can’t help but think the people who have lived near them might feel quite insulted that their area of space might be considered sort of parochial or on the periphery, where presumably they might consider themselves to live in the center of their own understanding of the universe
Some Northeast Asians don't like being called the "Far East".
Yes, it's like hearing Bashir's attitude when he was first assigned as DS9's resident doctor.
My thinking was always keep it simple. If it's built inside Federation territory it's a Starbase. If it's outside of Federation Territory it's a Deep Space.
1 through 7 sank into the wormhole, number eight fell over, exploded, then sank into the wormhole.... But! Number 9 held its position!
Straight away, the Iconic DS9 lit from a far off star 🌟
Thanks for the great video Rick
We've seen DS5 and DS9, and others have been mentioned, so we can assume there's other DS stations into the double digits even though they've never been depicted on a show or movie.
Starfleet likely wouldn't name DS9 number 9 if there were more of them. After all, the series starts with the moment of passing it to starfleet. So they would have picked the latest "free" number, right?
He did say old numbers get recycled if a station is destroyed or retired. So it could have been one of those numbers that was "freed" up.
K-13 looks like an attempt to update/modernize the K station design. Pretty good attempt.
Right off the bat, a montage of void-born super structures.
Deep Space 9, on the frontier edge of Federation space, while also conviently close enough to Earth for regular visits, and even to Q'onos, which technically lies half a quadrant away.
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If my memory serves me well i belive that DS-4 was space station from where parents and little Annika departed to explore Borgs , than Annika was captured and assimilated into 7of9
There is a fan audio drama set on DS3, it's a really good bit of fun fun
That was really interesting
Man there is footage of so many amazing awesome stations with no credit to the sources
From a fleet management point of view, repurposing vehicle number is the main source of chaos. Nobody does it really. There must be data in the system about the decomissioned platforms, for research and development purposes. But if you start repurposing old fleet numbers, the whole dataset just gets mixed up. Especially bad if they are on a different location. All you need is a supply freighter missed the last data update, and ending up at the wrong end of the galaxy. The same with combat support, manpower transfer, etc.
I really wish there was some type of lore about Deep Space 9.
My favorite DSS is DS K-7 of the TOS era.
"I've never heard of DS9; moving on." LOL.
I can't say I'm totally up to date on all the material but, do we ever find out more about the repair station the NX-01 ran into?
Would've been nice to see actual pictures of these stations.
I thought only DS5 and DS9 are shown on screen?
@@rakaydosdraj8405 From memory, I'm sure you're right.
NPCs in the animation always seem like they sudden remember something they forgot and abruptly change direction.
Deep Space Wet - keeping an eye out for species 8472 in fluidic space.
making ds9 an old cardassian mining satellite, and thus one of the more unique starbases, makes it feel like some UN building in some post soviet country.
neato thanks for the video.
I always thought an ESD could be the space part of a of a Starbase😀
Thank you!
I'd love to get a spare station just to mess around with, play on and learn. xD
"We made a cool name for our new show, now we need to decide what _technically_ a deep space station is..."
Be kind of interesting to see you do a vid of the populations of the UFP over the years, how it grew. Trying to get the feel of the real size of an interstellar government.
Why does DS9 have so few windows/viewing ports?
i mean, it's basicly a Space Amazon Warehouse
Where did you get that notion? There were tons of windows along the promenade. There was many a scene where the characters would be looking out of the windows and talking or staring at the wormhole.
@@stingyblue8189 yes, but the Outer Ring and Pylons don't have that many Windows
@@enisra_bowman no one lives in them, the habitat ring's in the middle. The pylons are almost entirely ore-processing equipment and cargo bays.
@@kaitlyn__L as i said: a space amazon warehouse and normal warehouses don't have that many windows. the amazon part are the worker conditions
Don't forget about Deep Space Ja! and Deep Space Scheibe!
Good stuff.
Deep Space 13 is ironically the one where nothing bad or dangerous ever happens.
What about DSV?😂
Or non-federation stations? Like the ones we see in Voyager?
Nice video
The space station that was destroyed by the passage of V'ger -- I think that was XE (Chi-Epsilon). It was a very strange looking structure. Is there a canon back-story to it?
Oh, not renaming old stations. That's silly talk. *glancing at Sears...er...Willis Tower in Chicago, Illinois.*
If you have been Rick, does that mean you are now no longer Rick?
Wonderful
Have you done a video about the new UFP Deep Space 9?
Have you done an in-depth video on her earth Spacedock?
I have a curious what if itch, seeing how wolverine has indestructible metal bonded to his bones, would his bones and metal be left behind on the teleportation pad if he decided to get teleported? Seeing how it is indestructible how would the teleporter be able to break it down to move it elsewhere? Also what other indestructible metals aka unobtanium could be passed through a teleporter and make it to ithe location they are trying to send it?
If you look at the star map, you can see why the Romulans are so paranoid. They are nearly surrounded by the Federation and they share a small border with the Klingon Empire. There is no room for expansion. Do not forget the 45th rile of Acquisition, Expand Or Die!
If you have ever experienced what it is like to go through a name change of the road you live on, you would understand why nobody wants to change the name of a station.
OMG. I know this all too well. I just moved to where I currently live in June although the closing was complete in May, but as of June 4 the city changed my street name, although I've had to use the new name for some things in the old name for others because somethings take longer to proliferate their systems and don't update properly so it's been very messy.
I would assume Deep Space Stations were allocated in interstellar space outside any solar systems.
Where is "K9" space station, maybe located; near the Caitians home world? ;-)
Surmise is different from summarize (what you meant). Summize (what you said) isn't actually a word.
I wonder if the K Stations were called K because they were mainly near the Klingon border?
DS 253 is not necessary the 253rd station. If Starfleets numbering is similar to earth tradition it might as well be the 3rd subsubunit of the 5th subunit of the 2nd whatever. Or it could be a reference code to a function that it has.
What I always found fascinating and both beautiful is the number of windows, it just shows the colossal size of those structures, but somehow I think that people from the future are gona laugh at our perception of future, cuz the necessity to have windows is probably gona fade with screens being better and better. Why needing a window when you can have a screen on the bulkhead with same resolution as if you were watching outside for real. But I would always prefer a good ol’ fashioned window in my quarters
It would be a great loss to dads everywhere if station K-9 we’re not placed in orbit around the dog star, Sirius.