7 years in constant use without a starbase at hand, and those 7 years often rough on the ship, I think Voyager was well worn out when it arrived back home.
The Intrepid class was specifically designed for long range missions and self maintenance, that's why it can land on planets. It probably wasn't too heavily worn. We even see them replacing the warp coils with the entire nacelle open in one episode. Still, I really wish they'd leaned into the lack of resources and proper facilities, Year of Hell showed us that we could have had a far more interesting series then just monster of the week in a different part of space.
Yet we saw none of that during the series. If the entire show would have been like "Year of Hell" then we could say the ship is in a bad condition by the time it reaches Earth.
There's a great little scene in DS9 that alludes to this, when Quark and Garack talk about rootbeer. The Federation has an insidious way of turning foes into friends.
They can’t anymore, as voyager traversed the transwarp network to return to earth in endgame: part 2, they used transphasic torpedoes to destroy the insterspatial manifolds after future janeway sacrificed herself to infect the borg queen with a deadly virus. These actions created a chain reaction that destroyed not just that one transwarp hub, but the entire borg transwarp network. Going forward the borg are limited to traditional warp drive, albeit at extremely high sustained warp factors
@Harley That only destroyed that transwarp hub. Not the whole network. And that is the Borg network of established conduits utilised to send ships at speed what don't have teanswarp ability themselves. It is nit the gate way to transwarp. Anyone with transwarp ability csn travel at transwarp.
Interesting how the biggest focus with the Borg is on technology when they mention seeking to assimilate "biological and technological distinctiveness" and having other cultures service theirs, but we don't see the biological or cultural adaptations. They're still set in their Giger-esque aesthetic, but I guess they deemed other designs or style irrelevant.
They actually do use the biological distinctiveness. If a particular species is physically better at something the Borg will sometimes use that species for a dedicated role.
I vaguely recall a non canon mention that their ability to survive vacuum comes from an assimilated species, explaining the blotchy grayish skin color. Apparently it is a simple genetic mod that can be applied to pretty much any humanoid. That's likely the main limiting factor on which uniquenesses they can assimilate across the whole Collective, what uniqueness in a new species is and what isn't genetically compatible with the existing assimilated drone population.
Reminds me of the Voyager episode Endgame when the crew are examining the advanced blueprints Admiral Janeway travelled back in time with. I think it was Seven who stated that the Transphasic torpedoes, stealth systems and the advanced armour appeared to have been developed to combat the Borg. In hindsight giving the Borg a sneak peak of technologies designed to defeat them might not have been a great idea, then again if it would have had long lasting repercussions I'm sure the 'Temporal Police' in the 29th century would have stepped in.
The Borg have magical time travelling communication devices, yet don't contact themselves to provide new technology and genetic information. Gotta love time travel in Star Trek.
The important point was probably whether the Borg could adopt and transmit that data before the massive wave of destruction hit them. We know they weren't completely eliminated, but we also don't know how much exactly was destroyed. And how fast the hive creates redundancy.
Assuming anything survived, Starfleet may also have learned something from the wreckage of the cube that self-destructed over Earth, e.g. the Prometheus' regenerative shielding.
My great theory is that Q wasn't making the Federation aware of the Borg, they were well aware of them and have been for centuries, even before Guinan people came. There are things even above Picard pay grade. Q was simply showing Picard of the Borg threat, not the Federation. I also don't see Star fleet as a organisation that would just hand around waiting to be attack.. They would have took every opportunity possible to analyse the Borg an their technology. An you can't tell me that Federation and Starfleet didn't keep incontact and monitor Hugh people an studied that transwarp corridor Enterprise stumbled up.
@@DavidKnowles0 Still, it didn't look like they made much progress given the Borg had established a transwarp conduit that dumped out a mere 1 lightyear from Earth by the end of Voyager. Which is consistent with my view that the Borg play with their food. They wander around getting tastes of the local flavor like we saw in their introduction. If something hits their tastebuds just right, they send a Cube. If it assimilates the target, great, it was something interesting. But WAY more important for the Borg is when that Cube somehow fails. Then their target frantically researches things like ablative armor, bioneural gel packs, and quantum torpedoes...which the Borg will eventually assimilate when the next Cube rolls around. Given the Borg do not innovate on their own, this is critical. This is also why they leave folks like the Kazon alone, giving them time to develop to the point they CAN invent interesting things. And if their target ACTUALLY invents something dangerous? Like say quantum slipstream which negates the ability of the Borg to decide when the fights happen (and suddenly brings the Borg's real advantage, impossible to strike logistics/production into danger)...they'll send dozens of Cubes all at once, maybe using those Transwarp conduits they lay right on the doorstep of their target homeworld.
My opinion is part of the reason Starfleet developed so many "anti-Borg" types of ships by the time of the events of First Contact could be due at least in part to the knowledge Starfleet received from Voyager once regular contact was achieved. Captain Janeway and Seven of Nine would have shared EVERYTHING they'd learned about the Borg, including Seven's first-hand knowledge, as well as how much more efficiently Voyager operated due to the few Borg "enhancements" that Janeway left installed on Voyager. Just my own personal opinion anyway.
I like how the start of the Enterprise episode pays homage to H. P. Lovecraft's "At the Mountains of Madness" with the Borg waking up like the Elder Things from ice like in the novella.
Never thought about that but it is quite derivative of it isn't it? I love it when star trek gets lovecraftian with certain space entities and alien races. For instance the 10c were very lovecraftian, which is why I thought the last season of discovery was the best by far. Nagilum almost seemed like an outer god level entity, and all the type 2 or greater races have that feel to them. It might be a natural consequence of advancing to such a level.
@@DeathBYDesign666 yeah season 4 of Discovery really found itself. There was an overall plot but each episode had a clear arc and didn’t feel too crowded.
Nothing more Lovecraftian than the Borg affinity for "technology farming", combined with their ability to play the long game. You sleep well last night, reader? Because I can guarantee you, tonight you won't.
This is why the Borg were cautious with their expansion. Sending only 1 cube instead of an Armada, in case the power they were trying to assimilate had technology superior to theirs that could bring down an entire collective. It was better to risk a single ship and detonate on failure, than to have more ships increasing the odds that one of them would be compromised.
I think their behavior is more likely described as ruthless efficiency. Space is a big place even for the Borg. To find promising candidates, they travel around in deep space assimilating colonies and random ships. But they clearly don't locust swarm and wipe out entire areas of space, otherwise the Delta Quadrant would have been a lot more emptier and deadlier place for Voyager plot shields or no. They wait to go eating only when a target is sufficiently advanced to provide them with what they are really after, perfection. IE new tech. Hence why the relatively backwards Kazon don't draw attention, but the Federation did. And so they sent a Cube, it got destroyed, and you'd think that would be a loss for the Borg. But the surviving Federation then was compelled to research things like ablative armor, quantum torpedoes, and bioneural gel packs. All new techs the Borg are confident they will one day assimilate. And they have every reason to be confident because they have a transwarp conduit that leads to 1 lightyear from Earth if they ever REALLY needed to kill the Federation. And we've seen what the Borg do to threatening species. We saw it in the quantum slipstream episode of Voyager they send dozens of Cubes because that species had finally invented a tech that would threaten the Borg, or rather would threaten their main power, their completely untouchable logistics and production capacity, which means blowing up Cubes is meaningless, they can always make more so long as no one else has transwarp tech.
@@rubaiyat300 Another comment said the Borg were farming the Federation for technology. Hence why they send such few ships. Also the transwarp hub may have been a more recent installation.
And I can understand why they send one cube for the first direct push on Earth and the Federation (Wolf 359, after they had contact with the Enterprise-D) Or even smaller ships for less sized civilizations. Why they didn't send more later on is pretty much a problem. If they are so extremely focused on efficiency, they would either put the Federation on hold until they assimilate necessary tech elsewhere (and give the Federation time to develop more worthwhile tech in the meantime), or would send out a bigger force to get the planet in one go. But instead they send yet another single cube and then do some time travel asspull. That doesn't sound like efficiency. If they can time travel, they could do that before going into combat (and loosing drones and a ship, aka wasting resources). Or would not time travel at all, because going back means hitting the Federation at a time when they aren't worthwhile assimilating. So while First Contact is a great Trek movie, the entire plan of the Borg is plain stupid.
Only on Easy, wich is NOT how this game was developed in the first place NOR should be played on. So nope. ONLY a team of ships and even then it takes quiet some time you can take on a cube, let alone a tac cube. The shit we can pull in sto is ours alone, when you go with the NORMAL EQUIP those ships would have you will learn what REAL PAIN is
@@christianresel8051 I was sucessfully able to take on a Borg cube on Normal difficulty, you'd be amazed how stupid they are. Just drop couple of fighters that deal juuust enough dps to negate its healing per minute. Never get further than 20 km away but most of the time stay 10km away. This way Cube focuses on you and doesnt shoot the fighters, but it cant hit you neither. Make a bombing run, deal as much as damage you can, get out as soon as your shields are gone. Rinse and repeat. Took me 20 minutes but I killed it, with a broadside build nontheless, and as a non-dps focused engineer.
@@christianresel8051that last even with the Borg I could take solo (5max) mission on the hardest setting and still win , and I wasn’t even near max on upgrades.
You know, with the Admiral Hansen, it makes me wonder if he was related to Seven there. I'd never really thought about that, but it would explain his own interest there Also, with regard to the NX-01's encounter with the Borg, there is a lot of potential technology that they might have gotten upgrades out of with the drones upgrading ships somewhat, which might have been more easy to understand.
Although they of course could be completely unrelated, it’s very possible that Seven’s father could be his younger brother, or perhaps even a son. Might explain how their mission got approved and they got such a relatively powerful ship. Of course the out of universe reason is almost every name in Voyager was used incidentally in TNG or DS9. There was mention of an Admiral Chakotay/Chekote, there was an Ensign Janeway, a B’Elanna Nebula… and indeed Admiral Hansen. Though I always call him Admiral Handsome, partly ironically but who knows how he would’ve looked when he was younger!
Interesting. However, his name is spelled Hanson. Seven of Nine's family name is Hansen. Admiral Hanson was good friends with Tom Paris's family. Mostly likely, he was friends with Tom's father, Admiral Paris. This is mentioned in a Star Trek comic during when Voyager was still in the Delta Quadrant and encountered a temporal anomoly that shows them the Battle of Wolf 359. Some of the escape pods from the damaged and destroyed ships pass through, and Voyager retrieves them and help the survivors. Members of the Voyager crew recognize the survivors and get along and choose to stay on Voyager, but the temporal anomaly has tethered itself to Voyager. They find out it has tethered itself to Voyager because of the Battle of Wolf 359 survivors, and they try to find a way to disconnect the survivors from the anomaly but fail. The survivors then decide to go back into the anomaly to the past to prevent Voyager from being brought into the Battle of Wolf 359 since it was slowly being drawn in. One Voyager crew member followed the survivors into the anomaly because he was reunited with a family member, a cousin, I believe. He chose to join them because he wanted to be a family member even if it meant being killed or assimilated by the Borg. Voyager tries to beam him back to the ship but he had already gone through and the anomaly disappeared. When Voyager is about to leave, they are attacked by a ship called Leviathan.
Let's not forget that that one timeship captain was stuck in the 20th century and some industrial CEO, who had his ship, basically created the microchip revolution by slowly introducing 29th century tech.
I like the idea that the Borg and star fleet are just Yin and Yang, in that, the Borg force assimilate everyone they come across. The Federation on the other hand offers assimilation freely to everyone until you're surrounded and there is no choice but to join.
@@kuhljager2429 That and it depends what and how much code they integrated. If it goes to hell they can always recover from hard copy. Takes a while and no fun but is possible. I bet they sandbox the code properly as well.
Hi Ric, thanks for all the great videos over the years, always a pleasure to watch. I find your own personal insights into your topics as interesting as the raw facts themselves. Would there be any chance of you doing a video sometime on the DEVORE IMPERIUM from Voyager? I appreciate there may not be much material to work with, but I always thought they had great potential as an antagonist and am disappointed they've never been revisited. All the best.
I believe that once the Department of temporal investigations was created they realise there was a time loop involve and hid all knowledge of the Borg to allow the time loop to be completed.
I think one source of tech you neglected to mention was all the modifications the Borg made to the Enterprise-E during the events of First Contact. The Enterprise did survive the encounter even though the Borg had almost overrun the ship completely. This would have been a treasure trove. Dozens of dead Borg, one nearly assimilated Star Fleet ship, and even the corpse of a dead queen.
You left out that the Drone created from The Doctor's mobile emitter (which is future tech) on board Voyager also enhanced USS Voyager's systems with 29th Century Borg tech.
If the Borg considered species 8472 as perfect biologically, what are the chances they did experiments to change their basic humanoid lifeforms to that of the tri-pedal race?
I seem to remember reading that the Borg don't do much in the way of innovation by themselves, just adaptation and assimilation. Besides, the tripedal body layout is probably the least of what is considered to make them perfect. Probably their triple helix DNA (in comparison to double helix DNA on earth) is a much bigger factor, along with their bioengineering
@@theborg5981 the only times we actually see the borg following the scientific method is when a queen is involved it honestly seems like they only use the scientific method and the queen in special situations
@@theborg5981 it's one of the reasons why I love them they are literally the equivalent of a virus unable to change without a host to infect most of the time
The borg left behind the wreckage of an entire ship above earth. Who knows what Starfleet learned from it. Data had been connected to the collective and he may have learned something about borg technology. The defiant, sovereign, and akira were all designed to fight the Borg so who knows what sources Starfleet used to develope those?
The Raven was a civilian ship and *not* a Starfleet vessel. And thus did *not* have the USS designation. I think the episode says it had an NAR designation similar to real world SS designations often used fir civilian vesseks and possibly the USNS designation the US Navy uses for its non-combatant hospital ships.
The boy who mimicked Data in one TNG episode was in a NAR-registered vessel as well, could even be specifically science vessels rather than all civilian ships
Something I’d love to see is an analysis of how the Borg Cooperative led by Jurati avoided creating causal paradoxes with the Collective before emerging as the dominant faction of the Borg at the beginning/end of Picard Season 2.
They butchered the borg in st picard. The first contact -voy era had cool borg tech. Seems to have been expanded on in st online. Adding borg tech to ships was similar to using shadow tech in babylon 5. Asking for trouble.
Borg in Picard was somewhat redeemable... Until season 2 lmao that was garbage. They seriously got nerfed in that show though even season 1. Seven reactivating all the Borg drones on the Artifact should've worked way more effectively even after they got ejected into space. They're shown to be able to survive for some time in the vacuum of space, so that pissed me off a lot. Romulans would've been overwhelmed and assimilated way faster if they didn't have plot armor.
We know Starfleet has a Temporal police force in the future. They even tried to stop Voyager directly in the past. Yet they did nothing when Janeway went back in time and gave herself future technology and knowledge.
Sisko also got a visit of some agency when he went back and played with tribbles. I have the feeling that the temporal police keeps a blind eye if it's in their benefit. They also didn't prevent the introduction of microchips in the 20th century from one of their stranded shuttles. From their point of view Janeway goes back and introduces early 25th century tech into the mid 24th century giving the Federation a little push.
Janeway getting Voyager home early was “supposed to happen”. Apply Marvel’s TVA in Loki, saying the Temporal heist in Endgame was supposed to happen. Same logic
@@johnnycomboplayer7548 That was explicitely not supposed to happen, as the series logic told us again and again. The time shenanigens we see, that change an existing timeline are always seen as not normal and the timecops explicitely called Voy out for it.
I really enjoy, and look forward to your videos. I am quite knowledgeable about the Star Trek universe, but I still learn something every time I watch your videos. Keep up the great work.
Don't forget that when the Borg Cube was destroyed by the Enterprise D above Earth, there would be salvage. We don't know how much, but it is conceivable that Section 31 would get as much as possible and that this would inform the design of ships like the Akira, Steamrunner, Prometheus (yuck), and Sovereign.
@merafirewing6591 If that were the case how did sulu not understand what an advanced warp field looked like if ships were equipped with transwarp coils and drives?
I still have a theory that The Borg started with the intention of complete assimilation of The Federation, but following the multiple failed attempts to completely assimilate Earth, and the spike in technological breakthroughs Starfleet has made following each run in they have had with The Borg, The collective have begun farming Starfleet for said technologies (they can't learn from anything they have not assimilated) and they will continue to do so until Starfleet show no further signs of development technologically. Sending one cube to, in a sense, test the fleets resistance would make sense in this case. Not everyone makes it through a battle with them and it takes seconds for nano-probes to connect someone to the collective and share information fully. Even if the cube is destroyed the learned information lives on transmitted throughout the entire collective in mere moments. We have seen other worlds overrun by fleets of cubes and these civilisations are no more as a result, which begs the question why they do not send a fleet of cubes to Earth. These other species may have been farmed also and upon reaching the peak of their ability to adapt and develop technologies to resist The Borg, the collective deemed them ready for complete assimilation (having outlived their usefulness in developing further). It's just a theory, but it does explain why they have sent only one cube over and over again and again.
I would be concerned, especially during the opening of Star Trek Picard Season 2 when Starfleet Navy has Borg Technology integrated within their ships, which are a boom indeed but I fear it'll cause a Battlestar Galactica incident.
Borg don't run for the Delta quadrant, they assimilate. Plot armor to prevent an all out assimilation of Earth went too far here. But to be fair, Enterprise did minimal damage to the Borg...Voyager nearly destroyed the entire idea. It wasn't until Annie Wersching (RIP) played the queen that the Borg felt creepy and menacing again.
This is why PICARD is the most dangerous and reckless time traveler. Janeway may have had her issues in Endgame, but Picard being lazy almost cost the ENTIRE Earth, he only lucked out that the Borg didn't slowly assimilate earth it self and decided to go AWAY from Billions of possible drones in waiting.
@m movie (I actually liked it but even when I saw it in theaters I was like "but that borg ship some of it probably survived that crash landing and they are borg, who regenerate from minor forms of death...!" lol
@@plasmaburndeath We have reckless time traveller Picards vs stupid time traveller Borg. Picard leaves all the stuff there, but the Borg had the genius idea to assimilate Earth at a point in time when it had nothing worthwhile. And they ignored the Kazon, who at least had (stolen) warp drive, something pre-contact Earth didn't have.
@HappyBeezerStudios - by Lord_Mogul good point, I also never liked the plot hole that the borg at anytime in their own space even, could use any planet to time travel hundreds and hundreds of years to either assimilate earth, or just give themselves better tech over and over again. had they opened a vortex thousands of ly away no one would know to stop them heh.
Rick: "Good thing there's no prime directive in reverse that says the Federation cannot acquire better stuff if it falls into their laps." Me: Yet. I mean, we all know how they basically threw away the advantage of cloaking devices...
@@SiXiam I want to see that meeting. "Okay Federation, now that we are one, might as well give you the cloaking tech" - "We already have that. Or rather, we have something better already that can go through solid matter"
@@HappyBeezerStudios The Romulans experimented with phasing tech in that Scout ship in TNG. The one where Ro and Geordi were invisible to the crew. It didn't work very well. Just like the USS Pegasus. Together though maybe they can get it to work.
I'm gonna try to make it around to watching Picard one of these days now that I have the service it's on lol. Thanks for another interesting video! God be with you out there everybody! ✝️ :)
Interesting last point, it would have been good for seven to challenge janeway... Seven: Are you not assimilating technology you do not have from other species? Janeway: Perhaps, but we don't assimilate people. Seven: To the Borg the biological is a technology. Besides, did you not capture and assimilate me?
There is also the idea of the drone "One" made with 29th century tech who was an individual, could be any Borg by that time are very different and no longer a threat? Could be a good idea for a video.
They did discuss them once, they mentioned that the transwarp network was full of debris and dangerous to navigate. But then they navigated it anyway at the end of season three. Implying the Federation did have access to it before the Burn.
Well I sure am glad that Starfleet learned their lesson from how easily the Jurati-Borg took over the USS Stargazer and *never* incorporated Borg networking functionality into any of their ships ever again, certainly never rolling it out for fleetwide use just a few months later!
I see Starfleet of _STP_ the same way I do the RSE in _STO_ : what fool places tech that can be easily hacked / controlled by an enemy force in control of _any_ vital systems, including sensors and communications? And yet, that they both did. In _STP_ this results in the Borg easily hijacking the entire fleet assembled at that time. In _STO_ , the Tal Shi'ar meddling with Borg tech at the Vault sent out signals to the Borg, basically inviting them back to the Beta and Alpha Quadrants. And while the Borg weren't major threats for the rest of the Iconian War, they are revealed to be one of the Iconians' possible choices of shock troops, together with the Undine and the Vaadwuar. I like that _STO_ turns the Borg from their thoroughly defanged status in _Voyager_ to a credible threat, able to assimilate not only crews and ships, but entire planets, and even making further attempts to assimilate Undine. Some parts of the Borg had that affect of being the leaderless Legion from encounters before 'Best of Both Worlds' and _First Contact_ , while other parts were led by Queens, but still made her a threat. The only case that made me raise an eyebrow was in the 'Measure of Morality' mission, when the impossible test makes the opponent mix Borg and Iconian, which should not have been possible. And then when they used the Excalbian power to summon a fleet of all the worst bad guys to that point: Borg, it has been proven to this point, lack imagination. They cannot create, only assimilating what others have made, and usually putting any trace of individuality or culture behind a mass of metal. But still, they're treated as a threat. It's also kind of cool that your PC can be assimilated, at least partially, and you'll either be fighting for control, or losing control until a teammate can put you down, and you can revive. Although I haven't actually seen that in awhile.
I prefer the "Enterprise and JJ movies took place in the new timeline created by the Borg time travel" head cannon. Requires ignoring the series finale of Enterprise, but that's a price Im willing to pay.
The Federation is only scratching the surface or the sheer ecosystem and technology of the BORG. But that fact will never been known or understood, as long as the BORG are so nerfed as to be almost a non-threat issue.
"We are the Borg, lower 👇 your shields, 🛡 and surrender your ships, 🛳 we will ad your technological and biological distinctiveness to our own." "Resistance is futile!" The Borg.
How can the Borg defeat physical damage? I understand if they can modulate sheilds to overcome phasers but there are many instances where Borg drones are affected by physical objects. Surely if the Federation can accelerate something the size of the Enterprise many hundreds of times faster than light they can fire a massive object at 100x light speed at a Borg cube for example. How can you modulate a defense to absorb such a mind blowing amount of kinetic energy?
As you'very mentioned, repulsive shields and side magnetic shielding are usually to protect ships throughout the space. Physical damage including plasma weapons would be shift to other places when defence system works, and Federation ships always own the same energy and defence devices in case of physical damage occurs in space. FTL and variant light speeds are basic mode in Federation ships, especially these ships with long-duration engines.
Love these vids Rick. What do you think about the theory of the Mirror Universe being created by the events of First Contact? The first mention I'd heard of this was in one of Shatner's novels. But honestly, for me anyways, it works.
If we consider the Enterprise opening canon, then the divergence must've happened earlier. In the normal opening we see scenes of exploration from wprld maps, ships, baloons, space shutles, the wright brothers, Apollo missions, Mars rovers, the ISS, into future stuff culminating in the Enterprise. In the mirror universe episode openings it starts similar, but then goes into the world wars, tanks, fighter jets, the terran empire flag on the moon (instead of the US one) and a couple space battles. So at least as early as the 1960s the mirror universe had a more violent and aggressive path. Not only that, on their first contact, they shot the vulcans and take their ship. (Seen in S4E18 "In a Mirror, Darkly I")
Funny the title of this in the preview while scrolling through TH-cam, was Starfleet Assimilated... seeing the last episode of Picard that's aired was exactly that haha
I think an idea for a Star Trek spinoff would be about the Borg. It would have the free Borg trying to free and stop the main Borg. Perhaps a movie about how the Borg came about and how they were expelled into deep space.
Sucks they killed off Hugh tho but maybe Just maybe he regenerates over long period of time or maybe they temp froze him to fix him backup later , come on crews we really need Hugh
In the books, the borg retaliated ( surviving borg ) some years after voyagers return. ( s few years after nemesis) and starfleet did investigate or assess the borg treat after voyager. ( with slipstream ships and tranwarp contuits. )
@m We made that virus thiugh. And we poke around in a system not networked... We don't put it into a system that also carries enough fire-power to level a planet.
Thats not how that all works. Your talking about the nanites that are set rewrite/take over systems. The core technologies are devices themselves. If you build it minus the nanite issue your good.
You should do a video on how the Borg were hobbled by the neural lytic virus that Janeway introduced and how badly the collective is in the 25th century as a whole play are there split fiefdom in the collective
You forgot about the Borg tech that merge with The Dr. EMH 29th century emitter & created a 29th century Borg. What a story line if they expanded on that😮.
makes me think of the origins of the Borg. For some strange reason I began to think about human development in the distant future & as such they have become so advanced they decide to go back into the past & try assimilating their own ancestors. I know its weird to think like this but it seems this relationship between Borg & humans seems to be developing to an almost beneficial cooperative & makes me then rethink this as a prelude to a new scheme the borg have at assimilation of all Humans kind of like a counter resistance thing & the borg eventually win by friendly but hostile takeover.
Now that the Borg have a provisional membership in the Federation, can't wait to see in Picard season 3 how much Starfleet acquired Borg technology. And I do hoped in Discovery season 5 that the Borg would make a cameo.
Can you be assimilated while running a Borg combat simulation on the holodeck with safety protocols disabled? If so, are you still assimilated after the holodeck program ends?
How accurate can the holodeck simulate borg nanites? After all, people got wet in there and stayed wet when they went out. It is never really established what the precise limits are. The Doctor can't leave, so perhaps complex stuff has to be actively worked on to keep functioning, but simple raw matter is stable. So maybe the simulated nanites will dissappear, but everything created from the person will stay stable. But are those borg nanites able to run borg software...
@@HappyBeezerStudios The holodeck uses the replicator when needed (like water, and other solid objects), and 7 of 9 was able to use the replicator to make Borg nanoprobes. The Moriarti episode shows us that, even though difficult, it is possible for the holodeck systems to effects the rest of the ship. I think a properly written holoprogram could be used to assimilate a ship, or maybe even a station.
Is there a novel or online storyline that tells of what happened with the group of individualized Borg led by Hugh and corrupted by Lore after Lore was defeated by the TNG crew?
I can certainly see the appeal of using such advanced tech being integrated into your own. Now they just need to also add technology from some of those ancient, in some cases, extinct species like the Iconians and Nacene (not actually extinct) and to their ships and whatnot.
One thing I notice with both Federation & Borg technology is that they are incredulously easy to hack. I'd think they would have some sort of anti-virus defense, but all the Borg can do is just cut off their ship from the rest of the collective, to prevent a virus from spreading.
They also send plasma all over the ship without thinking twice about having some sort of safety between it and the bridge consoles. Like some sort of device that prevents the surge from blowing up the station. Some kind of fuse...
The Borg leave shattered cubes behind to be found & influence design. Then the Borg effortless come along and take control over those ship computers. The entire cube works as a nanoprobe in macro
the big problem with borg technology is that if you are not VERY careful your basically planting a virus in your own system. i would love to see a horror episode when some random ship (not starfleet) pics up some Borg tech without realizing what it is and then we get to watch as it starts slowly invading the ship's systems eventually assimilating the crew.and starting to add the newest ship to the collective. That could be VERY SCARY if done right.
I love it, though it reads much more like an audiobook than an episode of television. Like all of those inner thoughts would have to be delivered in voiceover or as officer's logs. This would be very slow for television... Again, perfect for a book, not critiquing the story at all, just the framing of it as a new season
Plus voyager brought back the design for ablative armor and trans-physic torpedos, though I imagine that would be extremely classified and not from the Borg itself. Funny how the the people who monitor the timeline for the temporal prime directive just let admiral janeway do that.
The Star Trek Producers are leaving so much on the table when it comes to Voyager. The ship was a massive treasure chest of knowledge and technology. Just focusing on the technology part... They came back to Star Fleet with Borg tech and enhancements. They came back with Slipstream technology. Which is essentially a hyper-drive. The technology they traded when trapped in the void space helped make their shields stronger and replicators 10x more energy efficient. Then there's future Janeway's modifications. And the 29th century holo-emmitter. etc... (I think we can all agree to pretend the Warp 10 episode never happened) I would love to see a series, say, 100 years into the future, where Star Fleet is expanding deeper into the Beta Quadrant. They discover a more advanced imperialistic civilization invading through a wormhole or artificial gateway (like in SG1 from a neighboring galaxy). The new enemy is out for violent conquest and colonization of our galaxy. The new Star Fleet has to tap into the most advanced engineering the galaxy has to offer to just hold ground against them. Cutting deals with the Founders for stealth and armor technology. The Borg for weapons development. Maybe seeing the threat, some of the more advanced races in the Alpha quadrant, like the Sheliak, come out of reclusiveness. Or some of the long lived species from TNG go back to the Tkon outpost seeking knowledge. Captain Sisko could emerge from the Prophets wormhole as a demi-god like existence with his own goals in the conflict. It would make sense if the invaders where a galactic level threat. There's no end to potential from the franchise to go forward with new explorations and advancements. They could easily use the old show's content as a springboard to new and amazing things.
@@HappyBeezerStudios Yes. At least on the galaxy map everything south of Borg space and east of the Romulans and Klingon's, to the outer rim, is more or less unexplored. An undiscovered or artificial wormhole opening in that space would likely be unknown for quite some time. Allowing an invading force plenty of time to gain a foothold in the galaxy. Plus it could add the twist of the two war based empires being unable to handle the situation and begrudgingly asking the Federation for aide. (Revival of Dominion war alliances.) Maybe at the end of the conflict, (or tv series) this time they recognize there are greater threats out there, and the gains to be had by joining the Federation.
![30 ชั่วโมงคนเดียว บนรถไฟชั้น 3 โซเวียต [Around The World Ep. 2]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/MlE9boAVqDA/mqdefault.jpg)
7 years in constant use without a starbase at hand, and those 7 years often rough on the ship, I think Voyager was well worn out when it arrived back home.
Just imagine if Admiral Janeway didn't go back to get Captain Janeway. They would've been out 30 years.
The Intrepid class was specifically designed for long range missions and self maintenance, that's why it can land on planets. It probably wasn't too heavily worn. We even see them replacing the warp coils with the entire nacelle open in one episode.
Still, I really wish they'd leaned into the lack of resources and proper facilities, Year of Hell showed us that we could have had a far more interesting series then just monster of the week in a different part of space.
@@codec862 that would have been interesting but I'm personally still happy with what we got
Yet we saw none of that during the series. If the entire show would have been like "Year of Hell" then we could say the ship is in a bad condition by the time it reaches Earth.
Next show should be about 2 people stuck on a shuttle craft stranded in the M31 galaxy. Shuttlecraft has 1 phaser.
I love how starfleet assimilated the assimilators/assimilaters
It's kind of what they do
*Assimilated the assimilators assimilations.
That's a lot of asses....😏
@@ARCCommanderOrar To the winner goes the spoils
There's a great little scene in DS9 that alludes to this, when Quark and Garack talk about rootbeer.
The Federation has an insidious way of turning foes into friends.
@@augustday9483 I think Quark said something like "At least the Borg give you a warning, before they assimilate you."^^
Last time i was this early Garak was just a simple tailor lol
You were never this early
🙄
Lovely thing the block feature lol 😎
What do you mean? He’s always been a plain, simple tailor.
@@slavsquatsuperstar but what about the lies? 😎
If Starfleet could find a way to safely use the Borg's transwarp conduit network, that would be a *major* boon to exploration.
Prior to the burn they seemed to have had a similar network. But after said event it ended up very dangerous to use.
"If we knew then what we know now"
*Janeway ,endgame, talking about transwarp conduits, so they learnt eventually.......
They can’t anymore, as voyager traversed the transwarp network to return to earth in endgame: part 2, they used transphasic torpedoes to destroy the insterspatial manifolds after future janeway sacrificed herself to infect the borg queen with a deadly virus. These actions created a chain reaction that destroyed not just that one transwarp hub, but the entire borg transwarp network. Going forward the borg are limited to traditional warp drive, albeit at extremely high sustained warp factors
@Harley
That only destroyed that transwarp hub. Not the whole network.
And that is the Borg network of established conduits utilised to send ships at speed what don't have teanswarp ability themselves.
It is nit the gate way to transwarp. Anyone with transwarp ability csn travel at transwarp.
@@damenwhelan3236 yea I agree, they built it so they can rebuild it and also its not necessary for transwarp, just convenient....
Interesting how the biggest focus with the Borg is on technology when they mention seeking to assimilate "biological and technological distinctiveness" and having other cultures service theirs, but we don't see the biological or cultural adaptations. They're still set in their Giger-esque aesthetic, but I guess they deemed other designs or style irrelevant.
This is why they’re such a grim reflection of the Federation…
They actually do use the biological distinctiveness. If a particular species is physically better at something the Borg will sometimes use that species for a dedicated role.
I vaguely recall a non canon mention that their ability to survive vacuum comes from an assimilated species, explaining the blotchy grayish skin color. Apparently it is a simple genetic mod that can be applied to pretty much any humanoid. That's likely the main limiting factor on which uniquenesses they can assimilate across the whole Collective, what uniqueness in a new species is and what isn't genetically compatible with the existing assimilated drone population.
@@alistairgrey5089 That's exactly what I mean, but I don't think I've seen it. Do you know what episodes we see that?
@@Vidiocity92 I don't know what episode but I do know Seven mentions how certain species are better for certain tasks.
Borg: Your energy weapons will not damage the Collective.
Picard: Have fun with these bullets.
*Mag dumps Tommy gun*
Reminds me of the Voyager episode Endgame when the crew are examining the advanced blueprints Admiral Janeway travelled back in time with. I think it was Seven who stated that the Transphasic torpedoes, stealth systems and the advanced armour appeared to have been developed to combat the Borg. In hindsight giving the Borg a sneak peak of technologies designed to defeat them might not have been a great idea, then again if it would have had long lasting repercussions I'm sure the 'Temporal Police' in the 29th century would have stepped in.
The Borg have magical time travelling communication devices, yet don't contact themselves to provide new technology and genetic information.
Gotta love time travel in Star Trek.
The important point was probably whether the Borg could adopt and transmit that data before the massive wave of destruction hit them.
We know they weren't completely eliminated, but we also don't know how much exactly was destroyed. And how fast the hive creates redundancy.
Assuming anything survived, Starfleet may also have learned something from the wreckage of the cube that self-destructed over Earth, e.g. the Prometheus' regenerative shielding.
My great theory is that Q wasn't making the Federation aware of the Borg, they were well aware of them and have been for centuries, even before Guinan people came. There are things even above Picard pay grade. Q was simply showing Picard of the Borg threat, not the Federation.
I also don't see Star fleet as a organisation that would just hand around waiting to be attack.. They would have took every opportunity possible to analyse the Borg an their technology.
An you can't tell me that Federation and Starfleet didn't keep incontact and monitor Hugh people an studied that transwarp corridor Enterprise stumbled up.
@@DavidKnowles0 Still, it didn't look like they made much progress given the Borg had established a transwarp conduit that dumped out a mere 1 lightyear from Earth by the end of Voyager. Which is consistent with my view that the Borg play with their food. They wander around getting tastes of the local flavor like we saw in their introduction. If something hits their tastebuds just right, they send a Cube. If it assimilates the target, great, it was something interesting. But WAY more important for the Borg is when that Cube somehow fails. Then their target frantically researches things like ablative armor, bioneural gel packs, and quantum torpedoes...which the Borg will eventually assimilate when the next Cube rolls around. Given the Borg do not innovate on their own, this is critical. This is also why they leave folks like the Kazon alone, giving them time to develop to the point they CAN invent interesting things. And if their target ACTUALLY invents something dangerous? Like say quantum slipstream which negates the ability of the Borg to decide when the fights happen (and suddenly brings the Borg's real advantage, impossible to strike logistics/production into danger)...they'll send dozens of Cubes all at once, maybe using those Transwarp conduits they lay right on the doorstep of their target homeworld.
My opinion is part of the reason Starfleet developed so many "anti-Borg" types of ships by the time of the events of First Contact could be due at least in part to the knowledge Starfleet received from Voyager once regular contact was achieved. Captain Janeway and Seven of Nine would have shared EVERYTHING they'd learned about the Borg, including Seven's first-hand knowledge, as well as how much more efficiently Voyager operated due to the few Borg "enhancements" that Janeway left installed on Voyager.
Just my own personal opinion anyway.
I like how the start of the Enterprise episode pays homage to H. P. Lovecraft's "At the Mountains of Madness" with the Borg waking up like the Elder Things from ice like in the novella.
Never thought about that but it is quite derivative of it isn't it? I love it when star trek gets lovecraftian with certain space entities and alien races. For instance the 10c were very lovecraftian, which is why I thought the last season of discovery was the best by far. Nagilum almost seemed like an outer god level entity, and all the type 2 or greater races have that feel to them. It might be a natural consequence of advancing to such a level.
Close to _The Thing_ too. Alien craft frozen in ice with its occupants thawing out and assimilating the folks who found it.
@@DeathBYDesign666 yeah season 4 of Discovery really found itself. There was an overall plot but each episode had a clear arc and didn’t feel too crowded.
@@joshuahadams Yeah that ice lab scene made me really nostalgic when I saw that lol. Love The Thing
Nothing more Lovecraftian than the Borg affinity for "technology farming", combined with their ability to play the long game.
You sleep well last night, reader? Because I can guarantee you, tonight you won't.
This is why the Borg were cautious with their expansion. Sending only 1 cube instead of an Armada, in case the power they were trying to assimilate had technology superior to theirs that could bring down an entire collective. It was better to risk a single ship and detonate on failure, than to have more ships increasing the odds that one of them would be compromised.
I don’t think they cared that much
I think their behavior is more likely described as ruthless efficiency. Space is a big place even for the Borg. To find promising candidates, they travel around in deep space assimilating colonies and random ships. But they clearly don't locust swarm and wipe out entire areas of space, otherwise the Delta Quadrant would have been a lot more emptier and deadlier place for Voyager plot shields or no. They wait to go eating only when a target is sufficiently advanced to provide them with what they are really after, perfection. IE new tech. Hence why the relatively backwards Kazon don't draw attention, but the Federation did. And so they sent a Cube, it got destroyed, and you'd think that would be a loss for the Borg. But the surviving Federation then was compelled to research things like ablative armor, quantum torpedoes, and bioneural gel packs. All new techs the Borg are confident they will one day assimilate. And they have every reason to be confident because they have a transwarp conduit that leads to 1 lightyear from Earth if they ever REALLY needed to kill the Federation. And we've seen what the Borg do to threatening species. We saw it in the quantum slipstream episode of Voyager they send dozens of Cubes because that species had finally invented a tech that would threaten the Borg, or rather would threaten their main power, their completely untouchable logistics and production capacity, which means blowing up Cubes is meaningless, they can always make more so long as no one else has transwarp tech.
@@rubaiyat300 Another comment said the Borg were farming the Federation for technology. Hence why they send such few ships. Also the transwarp hub may have been a more recent installation.
And I can understand why they send one cube for the first direct push on Earth and the Federation (Wolf 359, after they had contact with the Enterprise-D) Or even smaller ships for less sized civilizations.
Why they didn't send more later on is pretty much a problem.
If they are so extremely focused on efficiency, they would either put the Federation on hold until they assimilate necessary tech elsewhere (and give the Federation time to develop more worthwhile tech in the meantime), or would send out a bigger force to get the planet in one go.
But instead they send yet another single cube and then do some time travel asspull.
That doesn't sound like efficiency. If they can time travel, they could do that before going into combat (and loosing drones and a ship, aka wasting resources). Or would not time travel at all, because going back means hitting the Federation at a time when they aren't worthwhile assimilating.
So while First Contact is a great Trek movie, the entire plan of the Borg is plain stupid.
And by 2409 virtually every ship in Starfleet can reliably take on Tactical Cubes one on one and stand a good chance of winning!
Ooooooooor be counter-assimilated.
Spoke too soon?
@@amp8295''We are the Federation. We will add your biological and cultural distinctiveness to our own. Let us assist.''
Only on Easy, wich is NOT how this game was developed in the first place NOR should be played on. So nope. ONLY a team of ships and even then it takes quiet some time you can take on a cube, let alone a tac cube. The shit we can pull in sto is ours alone, when you go with the NORMAL EQUIP those ships would have you will learn what REAL PAIN is
@@christianresel8051 I was sucessfully able to take on a Borg cube on Normal difficulty, you'd be amazed how stupid they are.
Just drop couple of fighters that deal juuust enough dps to negate its healing per minute. Never get further than 20 km away but most of the time stay 10km away. This way Cube focuses on you and doesnt shoot the fighters, but it cant hit you neither.
Make a bombing run, deal as much as damage you can, get out as soon as your shields are gone.
Rinse and repeat.
Took me 20 minutes but I killed it, with a broadside build nontheless, and as a non-dps focused engineer.
@@christianresel8051that last even with the Borg I could take solo (5max) mission on the hardest setting and still win , and I wasn’t even near max on upgrades.
You know, with the Admiral Hansen, it makes me wonder if he was related to Seven there. I'd never really thought about that, but it would explain his own interest there
Also, with regard to the NX-01's encounter with the Borg, there is a lot of potential technology that they might have gotten upgrades out of with the drones upgrading ships somewhat, which might have been more easy to understand.
Although they of course could be completely unrelated, it’s very possible that Seven’s father could be his younger brother, or perhaps even a son. Might explain how their mission got approved and they got such a relatively powerful ship.
Of course the out of universe reason is almost every name in Voyager was used incidentally in TNG or DS9. There was mention of an Admiral Chakotay/Chekote, there was an Ensign Janeway, a B’Elanna Nebula… and indeed Admiral Hansen.
Though I always call him Admiral Handsome, partly ironically but who knows how he would’ve looked when he was younger!
Interesting. However, his name is spelled Hanson. Seven of Nine's family name is Hansen. Admiral Hanson was good friends with Tom Paris's family. Mostly likely, he was friends with Tom's father, Admiral Paris.
This is mentioned in a Star Trek comic during when Voyager was still in the Delta Quadrant and encountered a temporal anomoly that shows them the Battle of Wolf 359. Some of the escape pods from the damaged and destroyed ships pass through, and Voyager retrieves them and help the survivors. Members of the Voyager crew recognize the survivors and get along and choose to stay on Voyager, but the temporal anomaly has tethered itself to Voyager. They find out it has tethered itself to Voyager because of the Battle of Wolf 359 survivors, and they try to find a way to disconnect the survivors from the anomaly but fail. The survivors then decide to go back into the anomaly to the past to prevent Voyager from being brought into the Battle of Wolf 359 since it was slowly being drawn in. One Voyager crew member followed the survivors into the anomaly because he was reunited with a family member, a cousin, I believe. He chose to join them because he wanted to be a family member even if it meant being killed or assimilated by the Borg. Voyager tries to beam him back to the ship but he had already gone through and the anomaly disappeared. When Voyager is about to leave, they are attacked by a ship called Leviathan.
Let's not forget that that one timeship captain was stuck in the 20th century and some industrial CEO, who had his ship, basically created the microchip revolution by slowly introducing 29th century tech.
I like the idea that the Borg and star fleet are just Yin and Yang, in that, the Borg force assimilate everyone they come across. The Federation on the other hand offers assimilation freely to everyone until you're surrounded and there is no choice but to join.
the ying yong on startreck are klingon and starfleet borg iis and option
@@devilhell69 WRONG
@@nepntzerZer your the one wrong
As Quark and Garak said it, they are insidious.
That's not yin and yang.
That's called being two sides of the same coin.
They integrated _CODE_ from Borg tech?! The advancements in stupid-pills over the centuries are really breathtaking.
So did Voyager an not once did the Borg take advantage of it.
@@DavidKnowles0 Voyager also had so much bad writing, that i wouldnt hold that up as a generalizable example.
Voyager also had a friendy drone on standby that could help fix any hacking problems.
@@kuhljager2429 That and it depends what and how much code they integrated.
If it goes to hell they can always recover from hard copy. Takes a while and no fun but is possible.
I bet they sandbox the code properly as well.
Borg DEVISED code
Hi Ric, thanks for all the great videos over the years, always a pleasure to watch. I find your own personal insights into your topics as interesting as the raw facts themselves. Would there be any chance of you doing a video sometime on the DEVORE IMPERIUM from Voyager? I appreciate there may not be much material to work with, but I always thought they had great potential as an antagonist and am disappointed they've never been revisited. All the best.
Dont forget to mention the 'Future' mission in STO where the liberated borg joined forces with the Federation and others to maintain the timelines.
I believe that once the Department of temporal investigations was created they realise there was a time loop involve and hid all knowledge of the Borg to allow the time loop to be completed.
I think one source of tech you neglected to mention was all the modifications the Borg made to the Enterprise-E during the events of First Contact. The Enterprise did survive the encounter even though the Borg had almost overrun the ship completely. This would have been a treasure trove. Dozens of dead Borg, one nearly assimilated Star Fleet ship, and even the corpse of a dead queen.
You left out that the Drone created from The Doctor's mobile emitter (which is future tech) on board Voyager also enhanced USS Voyager's systems with 29th Century Borg tech.
Idk why but it seems TH-cam is no longer notifying me of your uploaded videos…glad I searched it out ❤
Great video, to the point no filler. I love it. Very informative 😊😊
Awsome! Big fan of the borg and really enjoyed this video.
One of the most informative videos yet. Awesome
If the Borg considered species 8472 as perfect biologically, what are the chances they did experiments to change their basic humanoid lifeforms to that of the tri-pedal race?
I seem to remember reading that the Borg don't do much in the way of innovation by themselves, just adaptation and assimilation. Besides, the tripedal body layout is probably the least of what is considered to make them perfect. Probably their triple helix DNA (in comparison to double helix DNA on earth) is a much bigger factor, along with their bioengineering
@@theborg5981 Yup, the Borg aren't scientists, they don't do experiments; they're engineers, they glue together.
@@theborg5981 the only times we actually see the borg following the scientific method is when a queen is involved it honestly seems like they only use the scientific method and the queen in special situations
@@oreolaw9911 exactly. Nearly nothing of theirs was actually invented by them. Even their nanoprobes were assimilated from species 149.
@@theborg5981 it's one of the reasons why I love them they are literally the equivalent of a virus unable to change without a host to infect most of the time
The borg left behind the wreckage of an entire ship above earth. Who knows what Starfleet learned from it. Data had been connected to the collective and he may have learned something about borg technology. The defiant, sovereign, and akira were all designed to fight the Borg so who knows what sources Starfleet used to develope those?
The Raven was a civilian ship and *not* a Starfleet vessel. And thus did *not* have the USS designation. I think the episode says it had an NAR designation similar to real world SS designations often used fir civilian vesseks and possibly the USNS designation the US Navy uses for its non-combatant hospital ships.
"The USS Raven (NAR-32450) was a 24th century Federation Raven-type exploration vessel" - memory alpha
@@yodaslovetoy Checked Memory Alpha, can confirm.
The boy who mimicked Data in one TNG episode was in a NAR-registered vessel as well, could even be specifically science vessels rather than all civilian ships
I am so grateful for your hard work, you've helped me escape when needed. I hope I can give back at some point -R
Something I’d love to see is an analysis of how the Borg Cooperative led by Jurati avoided creating causal paradoxes with the Collective before emerging as the dominant faction of the Borg at the beginning/end of Picard Season 2.
They butchered the borg in st picard. The first contact -voy era had cool borg tech. Seems to have been expanded on in st online. Adding borg tech to ships was similar to using shadow tech in babylon 5. Asking for trouble.
An yet Voyager did it without any great consequence.
@@DavidKnowles0 keep it out of the main computer core
Borg in Picard was somewhat redeemable... Until season 2 lmao that was garbage. They seriously got nerfed in that show though even season 1. Seven reactivating all the Borg drones on the Artifact should've worked way more effectively even after they got ejected into space. They're shown to be able to survive for some time in the vacuum of space, so that pissed me off a lot. Romulans would've been overwhelmed and assimilated way faster if they didn't have plot armor.
We know Starfleet has a Temporal police force in the future. They even tried to stop Voyager directly in the past. Yet they did nothing when Janeway went back in time and gave herself future technology and knowledge.
What? Voyager having bad writing, that contradicts its own material?
*shocked pickachu*
Sisko also got a visit of some agency when he went back and played with tribbles.
I have the feeling that the temporal police keeps a blind eye if it's in their benefit. They also didn't prevent the introduction of microchips in the 20th century from one of their stranded shuttles.
From their point of view Janeway goes back and introduces early 25th century tech into the mid 24th century giving the Federation a little push.
Janeway getting Voyager home early was “supposed to happen”. Apply Marvel’s TVA in Loki, saying the Temporal heist in Endgame was supposed to happen. Same logic
@@johnnycomboplayer7548 That was explicitely not supposed to happen, as the series logic told us again and again. The time shenanigens we see, that change an existing timeline are always seen as not normal and the timecops explicitely called Voy out for it.
I really enjoy, and look forward to your videos. I am quite knowledgeable about the Star Trek universe, but I still learn something every time I watch your videos.
Keep up the great work.
Thanks! I usually draw from the books and expanded universe or add speculation but try to define just when I am doing that.
me too.
Ric usually connects certain events or topics that I hadn’t thought to connect to each other before.
6:00 that looks like an external aquarium filter being installed. Voyager just got a new aquarium upgrade.
Don't forget that when the Borg Cube was destroyed by the Enterprise D above Earth, there would be salvage. We don't know how much, but it is conceivable that Section 31 would get as much as possible and that this would inform the design of ships like the Akira, Steamrunner, Prometheus (yuck), and Sovereign.
Let's not forget that the Nerada and ships from the Kelvin timeline also had reverse engineered Borg technology in them.
No, they didnt.
@@purestrain3099 they actually did, even including a working transwarp drive.
@merafirewing6591 If that were the case how did sulu not understand what an advanced warp field looked like if ships were equipped with transwarp coils and drives?
I still have a theory that The Borg started with the intention of complete assimilation of The Federation, but following the multiple failed attempts to completely assimilate Earth, and the spike in technological breakthroughs Starfleet has made following each run in they have had with The Borg, The collective have begun farming Starfleet for said technologies (they can't learn from anything they have not assimilated) and they will continue to do so until Starfleet show no further signs of development technologically.
Sending one cube to, in a sense, test the fleets resistance would make sense in this case. Not everyone makes it through a battle with them and it takes seconds for nano-probes to connect someone to the collective and share information fully. Even if the cube is destroyed the learned information lives on transmitted throughout the entire collective in mere moments.
We have seen other worlds overrun by fleets of cubes and these civilisations are no more as a result, which begs the question why they do not send a fleet of cubes to Earth. These other species may have been farmed also and upon reaching the peak of their ability to adapt and develop technologies to resist The Borg, the collective deemed them ready for complete assimilation (having outlived their usefulness in developing further).
It's just a theory, but it does explain why they have sent only one cube over and over again and again.
Imagine it from the Borg perspective. For the first cube: sleep! Why did they go to sleep? Second cube: what the hell is a quantum torpedo?
The tech farm is pretty much the best explanation for why First Contact happened.
Great channel, great voice, great vibe. Sometimes I find myself just watching video after video.
I would be concerned, especially during the opening of Star Trek Picard Season 2 when Starfleet Navy has Borg Technology integrated within their ships, which are a boom indeed but I fear it'll cause a Battlestar Galactica incident.
It's also a boon.
Borg don't run for the Delta quadrant, they assimilate. Plot armor to prevent an all out assimilation of Earth went too far here. But to be fair, Enterprise did minimal damage to the Borg...Voyager nearly destroyed the entire idea. It wasn't until Annie Wersching (RIP) played the queen that the Borg felt creepy and menacing again.
That was an incredible intorduction!
This is why PICARD is the most dangerous and reckless time traveler. Janeway may have had her issues in Endgame, but Picard being lazy almost cost the ENTIRE Earth, he only lucked out that the Borg didn't slowly assimilate earth it self and decided to go AWAY from Billions of possible drones in waiting.
I assume you're talking about the show, not the movie. "Real" fans don't consider CBS Trek to be canon because it's all just sooo awful.
@m movie (I actually liked it but even when I saw it in theaters I was like "but that borg ship some of it probably survived that crash landing and they are borg, who regenerate from minor forms of death...!" lol
@@plasmaburndeath We have reckless time traveller Picards vs stupid time traveller Borg.
Picard leaves all the stuff there, but the Borg had the genius idea to assimilate Earth at a point in time when it had nothing worthwhile. And they ignored the Kazon, who at least had (stolen) warp drive, something pre-contact Earth didn't have.
@HappyBeezerStudios - by Lord_Mogul good point, I also never liked the plot hole that the borg at anytime in their own space even, could use any planet to time travel hundreds and hundreds of years to either assimilate earth, or just give themselves better tech over and over again. had they opened a vortex thousands of ly away no one would know to stop them heh.
Rick: "Good thing there's no prime directive in reverse that says the Federation cannot acquire better stuff if it falls into their laps."
Me: Yet. I mean, we all know how they basically threw away the advantage of cloaking devices...
Well the Romulans do eventually join the Federation so the treaty was worth it. At that point every ship could have the cool phasing cloaks.
@@SiXiam I want to see that meeting.
"Okay Federation, now that we are one, might as well give you the cloaking tech" - "We already have that. Or rather, we have something better already that can go through solid matter"
@@HappyBeezerStudios The Romulans experimented with phasing tech in that Scout ship in TNG. The one where Ro and Geordi were invisible to the crew. It didn't work very well. Just like the USS Pegasus. Together though maybe they can get it to work.
Great title, very on point👍.
I feel like this video needs to be revisited since Picard episode 9 had aired lol. Sneaky Sneaky
I'm gonna try to make it around to watching Picard one of these days now that I have the service it's on lol. Thanks for another interesting video!
God be with you out there everybody! ✝️ :)
Interesting last point, it would have been good for seven to challenge janeway...
Seven: Are you not assimilating technology you do not have from other species?
Janeway: Perhaps, but we don't assimilate people.
Seven: To the Borg the biological is a technology. Besides, did you not capture and assimilate me?
Who wouldn't be interested in Borg tech, as advanced and powerful as they are.
Note that the Borg Aren't talked about in Discovery. Not even when talking about The Burn.
There is also the idea of the drone "One" made with 29th century tech who was an individual, could be any Borg by that time are very different and no longer a threat? Could be a good idea for a video.
They did discuss them once, they mentioned that the transwarp network was full of debris and dangerous to navigate. But then they navigated it anyway at the end of season three. Implying the Federation did have access to it before the Burn.
Was the ability in Star Trek Armada II canon where eight cubes could combine into one massive cube?
Where is the intro clip with the spheres from? I don't remember seeing that in the star trek online playthrough on this channel?
Well I sure am glad that Starfleet learned their lesson from how easily the Jurati-Borg took over the USS Stargazer and *never* incorporated Borg networking functionality into any of their ships ever again, certainly never rolling it out for fleetwide use just a few months later!
The Borg was hit with multiple nerf sticks for plot reason. Same with Romulan and the supernova plot
Same with the Wraith; Shepard barely managed to take out a single one in the pilot but by the end of the season, they were dropping them like flies.
I see Starfleet of _STP_ the same way I do the RSE in _STO_ : what fool places tech that can be easily hacked / controlled by an enemy force in control of _any_ vital systems, including sensors and communications? And yet, that they both did. In _STP_ this results in the Borg easily hijacking the entire fleet assembled at that time. In _STO_ , the Tal Shi'ar meddling with Borg tech at the Vault sent out signals to the Borg, basically inviting them back to the Beta and Alpha Quadrants. And while the Borg weren't major threats for the rest of the Iconian War, they are revealed to be one of the Iconians' possible choices of shock troops, together with the Undine and the Vaadwuar.
I like that _STO_ turns the Borg from their thoroughly defanged status in _Voyager_ to a credible threat, able to assimilate not only crews and ships, but entire planets, and even making further attempts to assimilate Undine. Some parts of the Borg had that affect of being the leaderless Legion from encounters before 'Best of Both Worlds' and _First Contact_ , while other parts were led by Queens, but still made her a threat. The only case that made me raise an eyebrow was in the 'Measure of Morality' mission, when the impossible test makes the opponent mix Borg and Iconian, which should not have been possible. And then when they used the Excalbian power to summon a fleet of all the worst bad guys to that point: Borg, it has been proven to this point, lack imagination. They cannot create, only assimilating what others have made, and usually putting any trace of individuality or culture behind a mass of metal. But still, they're treated as a threat. It's also kind of cool that your PC can be assimilated, at least partially, and you'll either be fighting for control, or losing control until a teammate can put you down, and you can revive. Although I haven't actually seen that in awhile.
These aren't the nightmares of Wolf 359.
That is the same question as to why put the generator for the force field or shield bubble outside said shield.
@@HappyBeezerStudios Larger power source is the only good reason.
"You may have assimilated us, but we assimilated your assimilating!"
I love this kind of stuff! Fascinating!
I prefer the "Enterprise and JJ movies took place in the new timeline created by the Borg time travel" head cannon.
Requires ignoring the series finale of Enterprise, but that's a price Im willing to pay.
The Federation is only scratching the surface or the sheer ecosystem and technology of the BORG. But that fact will never been known or understood, as long as the BORG are so nerfed as to be almost a non-threat issue.
borg: we have your technology, you have our technology, You are assimilated, We are assimilated?, We are one
What was the first segment of footage from the beginning / intro of the video from? A certain mission in Star Trek online?
It was the early borg missions.
"We are the Borg, lower 👇 your shields, 🛡 and surrender your ships, 🛳 we will ad your technological and biological distinctiveness to our own." "Resistance is futile!"
The Borg.
"Resistance is futile!"
The Borg.
"You will be assimilated, resistance is futile!"
The Borg.
"Finances are irrelevant, resistance is futile!"
The Borg.
"Comply!"
The Borg.
I love this channel
How can the Borg defeat physical damage? I understand if they can modulate sheilds to overcome phasers but there are many instances where Borg drones are affected by physical objects. Surely if the Federation can accelerate something the size of the Enterprise many hundreds of times faster than light they can fire a massive object at 100x light speed at a Borg cube for example. How can you modulate a defense to absorb such a mind blowing amount of kinetic energy?
As you'very mentioned, repulsive shields and side magnetic shielding are usually to protect ships throughout the space. Physical damage including plasma weapons would be shift to other places when defence system works, and Federation ships always own the same energy and defence devices in case of physical damage occurs in space. FTL and variant light speeds are basic mode in Federation ships, especially these ships with long-duration engines.
it's nice to know that there is still ice in the arctic circle in 2153
Love these vids Rick. What do you think about the theory of the Mirror Universe being created by the events of First Contact? The first mention I'd heard of this was in one of Shatner's novels. But honestly, for me anyways, it works.
If we consider the Enterprise opening canon, then the divergence must've happened earlier.
In the normal opening we see scenes of exploration from wprld maps, ships, baloons, space shutles, the wright brothers, Apollo missions, Mars rovers, the ISS, into future stuff culminating in the Enterprise.
In the mirror universe episode openings it starts similar, but then goes into the world wars, tanks, fighter jets, the terran empire flag on the moon (instead of the US one) and a couple space battles.
So at least as early as the 1960s the mirror universe had a more violent and aggressive path. Not only that, on their first contact, they shot the vulcans and take their ship. (Seen in S4E18 "In a Mirror, Darkly I")
Well done thanks
Funny the title of this in the preview while scrolling through TH-cam, was Starfleet Assimilated... seeing the last episode of Picard that's aired was exactly that haha
I think an idea for a Star Trek spinoff would be about the Borg. It would have the free Borg trying to free and stop the main Borg. Perhaps a movie about how the Borg came about and how they were expelled into deep space.
I've always wondered how the Hansons learnt about the Borg, since they dispersed befor q who.
Sucks they killed off Hugh tho but maybe Just maybe he regenerates over long period of time or maybe they temp froze him to fix him backup later , come on crews we really need Hugh
i would add that after voyagers return they thought that the borg where all destroyed.
In the books, the borg retaliated ( surviving borg ) some years after voyagers return. ( s few years after nemesis) and starfleet did investigate or assess the borg treat after voyager. ( with slipstream ships and tranwarp contuits. )
Thank you for being Rick.
I would love to see a Borg cube with an upgraded version of the Vidiian boarding claw!
Merging Borg tech sounds great. But then you have to ignore the part where the tech wants to consume you.
Hey, it's hard to resist poking around. Look at how people poke and prod computer viruses today. 🤷
@m
We made that virus thiugh.
And we poke around in a system not networked...
We don't put it into a system that also carries enough fire-power to level a planet.
2020 tech already consumes us
Thats not how that all works. Your talking about the nanites that are set rewrite/take over systems. The core technologies are devices themselves. If you build it minus the nanite issue your good.
I always wondered why the _Intrepid_ felt a little underwhelming, now I know why: Voyager was absolutely *not* your usual _Intrepid._
You should do a video on how the Borg were hobbled by the neural lytic virus that Janeway introduced and how badly the collective is in the 25th century as a whole play are there split fiefdom in the collective
You forgot about the Borg tech that merge with The Dr. EMH 29th century emitter & created a 29th century Borg. What a story line if they expanded on that😮.
When Are You Getting Back To Star Trek Online ?
makes me think of the origins of the Borg. For some strange reason I began to think about human development in the distant future & as such they have become so advanced they decide to go back into the past & try assimilating their own ancestors. I know its weird to think like this but it seems this relationship between Borg & humans seems to be developing to an almost beneficial cooperative & makes me then rethink this as a prelude to a new scheme the borg have at assimilation of all Humans kind of like a counter resistance thing & the borg eventually win by friendly but hostile takeover.
what no mention of hue, or the puzzle they designed to take out the borg, or the effect hue had on the collective?
Now that the Borg have a provisional membership in the Federation, can't wait to see in Picard season 3 how much Starfleet acquired Borg technology.
And I do hoped in Discovery season 5 that the Borg would make a cameo.
I think the Borg are gone in Discovery timeline.
"Desire is irrelevant, resistance is futile!"
The Borg.
Do you think they served hamborgers in the chow hall during the borg attacks? It's a hamburger with nanomachine chips?
Can you be assimilated while running a Borg combat simulation on the holodeck with safety protocols disabled? If so, are you still assimilated after the holodeck program ends?
How accurate can the holodeck simulate borg nanites? After all, people got wet in there and stayed wet when they went out. It is never really established what the precise limits are. The Doctor can't leave, so perhaps complex stuff has to be actively worked on to keep functioning, but simple raw matter is stable. So maybe the simulated nanites will dissappear, but everything created from the person will stay stable. But are those borg nanites able to run borg software...
@@HappyBeezerStudios The holodeck uses the replicator when needed (like water, and other solid objects), and 7 of 9 was able to use the replicator to make Borg nanoprobes. The Moriarti episode shows us that, even though difficult, it is possible for the holodeck systems to effects the rest of the ship. I think a properly written holoprogram could be used to assimilate a ship, or maybe even a station.
Is there a novel or online storyline that tells of what happened with the group of individualized Borg led by Hugh and corrupted by Lore after Lore was defeated by the TNG crew?
What game was this footage from?
I can certainly see the appeal of using such advanced tech being integrated into your own. Now they just need to also add technology from some of those ancient, in some cases, extinct species like the Iconians and Nacene (not actually extinct) and to their ships and whatnot.
One thing I notice with both Federation & Borg technology is that they are incredulously easy to hack. I'd think they would have some sort of anti-virus defense, but all the Borg can do is just cut off their ship from the rest of the collective, to prevent a virus from spreading.
They also send plasma all over the ship without thinking twice about having some sort of safety between it and the bridge consoles. Like some sort of device that prevents the surge from blowing up the station. Some kind of fuse...
I love these videos but I have a scrutiny
If your narration gets any quieter not even a Bluetooth speaker set too high will save it
The Borg leave shattered cubes behind to be found & influence design. Then the Borg effortless come along and take control over those ship computers. The entire cube works as a nanoprobe in macro
What STO mission is that??
Installing Borg tech would be like using Chinese security software.
Thank you 😊
What about the influence of the borg on the Kelvin timeline?
the big problem with borg technology is that if you are not VERY careful your basically planting a virus in your own system. i would love to see a horror episode when some random ship (not starfleet) pics up some Borg tech without realizing what it is and then we get to watch as it starts slowly invading the ship's systems eventually assimilating the crew.and starting to add the newest ship to the collective. That could be VERY SCARY if done right.
Good video, but increase your volume
Admiral Hansen??
Wonder if he is related to Anika (7 of 9)'s family at all?
The battle of sector 001 how well did the millennium falcon do against the borg?
It was damaged by a Cylon Raider.
I love it, though it reads much more like an audiobook than an episode of television. Like all of those inner thoughts would have to be delivered in voiceover or as officer's logs. This would be very slow for television... Again, perfect for a book, not critiquing the story at all, just the framing of it as a new season
Plus voyager brought back the design for ablative armor and trans-physic torpedos, though I imagine that would be extremely classified and not from the Borg itself. Funny how the the people who monitor the timeline for the temporal prime directive just let admiral janeway do that.
We're just skipping right past the cube blowing up in Earth orbit? Lottsa tech there for salvage.
The Star Trek Producers are leaving so much on the table when it comes to Voyager. The ship was a massive treasure chest of knowledge and technology. Just focusing on the technology part...
They came back to Star Fleet with Borg tech and enhancements.
They came back with Slipstream technology. Which is essentially a hyper-drive.
The technology they traded when trapped in the void space helped make their shields stronger and replicators 10x more energy efficient.
Then there's future Janeway's modifications. And the 29th century holo-emmitter. etc...
(I think we can all agree to pretend the Warp 10 episode never happened)
I would love to see a series, say, 100 years into the future, where Star Fleet is expanding deeper into the Beta Quadrant.
They discover a more advanced imperialistic civilization invading through a wormhole or artificial gateway (like in SG1 from a neighboring galaxy). The new enemy is out for violent conquest and colonization of our galaxy.
The new Star Fleet has to tap into the most advanced engineering the galaxy has to offer to just hold ground against them. Cutting deals with the Founders for stealth and armor technology. The Borg for weapons development.
Maybe seeing the threat, some of the more advanced races in the Alpha quadrant, like the Sheliak, come out of reclusiveness. Or some of the long lived species from TNG go back to the Tkon outpost seeking knowledge.
Captain Sisko could emerge from the Prophets wormhole as a demi-god like existence with his own goals in the conflict. It would make sense if the invaders where a galactic level threat.
There's no end to potential from the franchise to go forward with new explorations and advancements. They could easily use the old show's content as a springboard to new and amazing things.
Beta quadrant? Behind the klingons and romulans?
@@HappyBeezerStudios
Yes. At least on the galaxy map everything south of Borg space and east of the Romulans and Klingon's, to the outer rim, is more or less unexplored.
An undiscovered or artificial wormhole opening in that space would likely be unknown for quite some time. Allowing an invading force plenty of time to gain a foothold in the galaxy.
Plus it could add the twist of the two war based empires being unable to handle the situation and begrudgingly asking the Federation for aide. (Revival of Dominion war alliances.)
Maybe at the end of the conflict, (or tv series) this time they recognize there are greater threats out there, and the gains to be had by joining the Federation.