I was raised mormon, I'm 17 now so I have no clue what they teach adults, but I haven't ever really heard anything about polygamy or "endless celestial sex" from the church itself. They do have a weird obsession with raising kids and misogyny. My parents were devout mormon fanatics so I've absorbed quite a bit of information, and I'll use this chance to infodump So mormons still do believe that you can become a god in life after death. Generally it is taught that both Heavenly Father and Mother lived on their own earth, and did all the steps that mormons teach today to gain their godhood. This is the first time I'm hearing about heavenly polygamy, but I assume any mention of polygamy was dropped when "The Family: A Proclamation to the World" came out in 1995. In this, it was stated that a marriage must be between a man and a woman. Anyways, so Heavenly Father and Mother passed their trial, became gods, and built this universe. They live near Kolob, and there are actually tons of other "earths" with our heavenly siblings also having their mortal test. That's what they refer to this life as, a test. There's only one Jesus though, so none of the other earths got a Jesus. We're just special little snowflakes for that one. I don't believe it is taught that God is Adam? I think he's his own guy now. So we all pitched in to make earth, Lucifer became Satan, 1/3 of heaven's population will never get a body. I have never heard of the neutral sides being cursed with dark skin? There's a whole separate cursing for that later down the line though. So everything was made in 7 days blah blah blah, Adam and Eve sinned which is taught that it had to happen, and was part of God's plan. WHICH! This has always messed me up, God is omnipotent, knows past present and future, and yet, we still have agency? Like, the choices we make matter, but God said we were gonna do that anyways? Its set in stone but it's not its just weird and paradoxical. Anyways Adam and Eve got banned from the garden, and also because Eve sinned that's why pregnancy is painful. It was a punishment. Later on, Adam dies and is actually the angel Michael. Because we all have heavenly names that are different from our earthly ones. You gotta keep track of all those, its tough. The garden of Eden is believed to have been physically removed from the earth and will come back in the end times, in Missouri. Because that's where it is located, apparently. Right so the Book of Mormon begins around 600 BC, in Jerusalem. Nobody likes prophets at all, so God's gonna throw a temper tantrum and destroy it. An old guy named Lehi prays on behalf of Jerusalem, and sees a vision, and then becomes a prophet. Naturally, Jerusalem didn't like that, and bullied him for his fever dream so Lehi and his family left. They were pretty rich, but didn't take anything with them. So they go over generally by the red sea- The family consists of Lehi, his wife Sariah, and their four sons Laman, Lemuel, Sam, and Nephi, who liked to journal. Eventually they have to go back to get some Brass plates from another rich guy, and God tells Nephi who's more righteous than his brothers, that killing is okay sometimes. So Nephi stabs the rich guy who is drunk, steals the plates, and borderline kidnaps rich guy's servant. Then Ishmael and his family also joins them. Now Lehi has another vision, which is thrown around A TON in primary and sunday school (the church classes for the younger kids and teens), which is about the tree of life and the iron rod. Long story short, The Iron Rod is the Word of God, and you have to hold fast to get your fruit from the tree of life and people will be laughing at you all while you do so. After that Nephi has a second record we call the Book of Lehi, which had more of his visions and sacred things and all that, which Joseph Smith lost, and as punishment is now sealed and cannot be added to the Book of Mormon. They go on and on about prophecies and have a ton more kids in the wilderness and then one day they get a really funky looking compass which sits outside their tent, but it only works if everyone's being good. Nephi builds a boat, they go to the Americas, which mormons believe they landed in Chile, Lehi dies, and then they live in relative peace for about 40 years before the "Nephites" and "Lamanites" Split off from each other. Nephites were hard workers, and built cities, and lived righteously, and the Lamanites got cursed (here it is). The actual quote from the scriptures on the website: "And he had caused the cursing to come upon them, yea, even a sore cursing, because of their iniquity. For behold, they had hardened their hearts against him, that they had become like unto a flint; wherefore, as they were white, and exceedingly fair and delightsome, that they might not be enticing unto my people the Lord God did cause a skin of blackness to come upon them. And thus saith the Lord God: I will cause that they shall be loathsome unto thy people, save they shall repent of their iniquities. And cursed shall be the seed of him that mixeth with their seed; for they shall be cursed even with the same cursing. And the Lord spake it, and it was done." The mormons just collectively choose to ignore it, and pretend it isn't there. Later down the line they have a king after being explicitly told not to, but it's okay because he's a good king and also a prophet, and stood in a tower and spoke for multiple days. People gathered in tents and that was like the first General Conference or something. It's like constantly being compared to general conference in primary. Then you have Alma who was an important guy. Lots about him. Did normal prophet things. Preached here, preached there, gets thrown in prison, prison gets smited. There was also Ammon, who I remember vividly, because he cut off like 7 arms- and there was an activity lesson, where we re-enacted it sort of? there were like arm-shaped cutouots of paper but like???? I'm 12?? what are you teaching me? That is how you are reaching godhood? Cut off people's arms? Anyways Then the Nephites had to go fight so 2000 young men, which were assumed to be 12-15 years old, went to fight and none of them died. Yay! We are supposed to be like them. Whole song about it too. So Christ comes and visits the Americas, who had just had the worst three days of their lives, because after Christ died, there was like Earthquakes and just all sorts of bad stuff, tons of people died, mountains flattened and new ones made, basically the whole geography changed. Then he lets everyone touch his hands, and leaves. Then people get mad at each other, and nearly kill each other off, and Mormon takes all the different individual records and puts them together. Hence why its called the book of Mormon. He throws in one at the end, which talks about the tower of Babel, which was a huge tower people made to try to climb to heaven but God didn't like that so he made everyone speak a different language except for Jared and his family. They also built boats and sailed to America, but these ones had glowing rocks that God touched himself. The Brother of Jared, or Mahonri Moriancumer, but just brother of Jared to be easier, prayed for god to touch the rocks and because he was a good boy he saw god's hand. 1/2
So Book of Mormon is now all on the Golden plates, and his buried in Cumorah, in Palmyra New York. (Its basically a tourist attraction now, my family went there a few years ago) Joseph Smith finds the plates at 14, has to translate without letting anyone see the plates, gets bullied out of multiple states, and the Mormons journey to Utah. Fun fact, Mormon Youth ages 14-18 I believe, will every other year or so, have the opportunity to participate in 'Trek', in which youth spend a number of days hiking, and roleplaying as those mormons who went to Utah. They are assigned 'families' and push handcarts and the whole shebang. Its not actually really commonly taught all that goes down in Utah (Probably because they'd rather bury it, after the things I've discovered). But the church in Utah is now more of a culture than a religion. I spent two years growing up there, where there was ONE kid in my school who wasn't mormon because his Grandma wasn't. He was totally bullied. He was a great kid though, real nice. Anyways the mormons have a whole thing about the future, where they will get more scriptures, too many to physically carry to church, there will be "wars and rumors of wars" blah blah blah second coming, and afterwards all the righteous people live on earth for a bit. The Holy Ghost will be the last person born. Then, the earth will be translated, or basically made celestial, and shoot through space to take it's place next to Kolob. As for the afterlife, When you die, you well essentially be sent to a waiting room for judgement day. If you are righteous, you are resurrected. If not, you are sent to outer darkness, your punishment is regret for eternity. If you had not heard about the church, you are sent to spiritual prison, BUT, you have a chance to get saved, if your ordinances are done. This is, baptism, Endowment, all that. So, living relatives of these dead people carry out baptisms for the dead, if you are 12 or older. I'm not sure what the requirements for Endowment is. This is the only way to save them. If you were good, you are sorted out into three tiers. Telestial, Terrestrial, and Celestial. Celestial is the one everyone aims for, as that is where God lives, and that is where you can become a god. Terrestrial is where Jesus lives, and Telestial is the lowest of the good kingdoms. The stars, the moon, and the sun, which you can find engraved on the temple. Mormons do not believe in hell. The steps for getting to is first, having faith in Jesus Christ, a testimony. Then repentance. Then you are to get baptized, at the age of 8 generally. They ask you if you want to, but if you grew up in a highly concentrated mormon area, or a devout mormon household like I did, the choice feels like more of a rhetorical question than an actual choice. Like, of course I'm going to get baptized, everyone gets baptized when they turn 8. Its why I'm allowed to have such a big party this year, because I'm getting baptized. Its just expected that you say yes before you even get to the question part so you do. Right after you get baptized you get the Gift of the Holy Ghost. The Holy Ghost CAN talk to people, but the gift of the holy ghost means he is with you always. Essentially, it's the gut feeling, or also described as a whisper you have to truly listen to hear. When you turn 12, you graduate from primary and have the chance to hold a temple recommend. The requirements haven't changed from the ones in this video. Once you have your temple recommend, you can do baptisms for the dead. The youth regularly go out as a group to all do it. You use the church's record keeping website to find 10-20 names without a ordinance done, print it out, and bring it to the temple, where there is the person, who's body is essentially being used as that person's body. Only the men can baptize you, and only recently were women allowed to be witnesses for baptisms. I don't know anything about the marriage ceremony, but I didn't see one hidden camera footage and that looked culty as hell. Anyways, for mormon media, I can't recommend enough the "My turn on Earth" Musical. I grew up with that thing on my family's VHS player and it basically is an explanation of the mormon Plan of Salvation for kids. Songs are kinda bangers though, ignoring the religious aspect of it. I hope this explanation of mormon stuff can be found helpful, lol There's probably a lot of stuff I left out or forgot but this is a somewhat basic summary of it all
Have you ever seen somebody that was doing something that you felt was really bad. When you looked at them, did they appear delightful to you? That is the curse. A skin of blackness is a spiritual thing. You don't have to trust me but there's plenty of white people covered in a skin of blackness. A lot of this video is BS, in the way they try to portray Mormonism and their beliefs, is laughable, but this is what they're putting out for the rest of the world. And maybe they thought it was disrespectful but even in Isaiah seven women will want to have the name of one man. So don't act like polygamy isn't a thing in the Bible and these people just don't understand who God is and they mock him. They even laughed at something that is actually quite funny. I actually want to diss the person that made this video when they laughed. Because to me, that's just a weak man. That's not even a man IMO. The one that's scared to raise a kid even in this economy We need men to rise up and freaking raise their kids no matter what quit being a p**** like the guy in this video. And maybe some of them believe Jesus took wives but that was never in official church cannon. Just like this video claims that God has sex to create spirit children. . . because Joseph Smith said God never had the power to create the spirits of men, because they are eternal, so obviously this video is flawed. And so is the world's views on the actual gospel of Jesus Christ. And yes, satan gives this video a thumbs up. You know it, thanks for sharing and trying to clarify. Maybe you hope it isn't true, but God isn't done with you my friend.
@@lilknox2225 you don't have to? I was simply taking the opportunity to rant about what was thrown at me as a kid a hundred times over and get it out of my system ^-^
@@activelyperformingmitosis Celestial polygamy is effectively practiced by the current prophet Russell M Nelson. He remarried in the temple after his first wife died so he's sealed for time and eternity to two women.
@@robertlockwood3277 Times have improved since then, even Stalin's parents thought he would be better off as an Orthodox priest than the supreme leader of the USSR.
@@angelmartin7310Sure, viewed as a negative thing by ignorant racist and colorist people throughout history, yes. Viewed as a negative thing by normal sensible people throughout history, no.
@@OfficialDenzyyou must be mormen to think a comment like this could be anything but human created. Do you even know what bot means? Maybe he’s one of the gods laying infinite pipe up above.
All of it's magic. The catholic got magic wafers and wine. The Mormons just got sacred clothing that they wear, like Jewish, Muslim, Sikh, Buddhist people. Y'all act like theyre the weirdos when everyone just likes to wear or eat things that mean something important to them.
The Bible is but Christianity and Catholicism are not. The Bible states that there is one God in three manifestations, not persons. The Father left His throne in heaven and took on the form of a servant. The Father is the Son is the Spirit. The Christians fail to understand that God exists in all realms at all times, so they assume when it comes to explaining why Jesus prayed to the Father. God in the flesh was subservient to Himself in the Spirit, which is greater.
@@JayLee-bv3vw Catholicism basically says the nature of the Trinity is a divine Mystery, not to be understood by ordinary people. Like any Protestant (not Anglican or Episcopalian, maybe?), I could poke logical holes in the theory of the Trinity, so I think just saying it's a mystery is probably the best approach
You could make the argument that christianity in general is polytheistic, in the same way you could make the argument that hinduism is monotheistic. Not saying either is necessarily correct, but things like this are harder to determine than just stating one is and one isnt lmao
I love how they talk about Ancient America, saying there were horses and all kinds of other things that didn't exist until Columbus and others came to the new world 🤣
While this video was very comical, a simple google search will show you that the horse DOES originate in Ancient America and it’s descendant(s) were reintroduced
Sorry for getting off topic, but is "playa!" an actual expression? In spanish it simply means "beach". Does it have something to do with that? Genuinely curious.
@@mooniegoodiewell from what I remember a lot of the beliefs in this video are not in the Book of Mormon itself but I did find the passages that sound pretty racist and it’s pretty much an attempted explanation on where did the Native Americans came from (and some elements of this were pretty popular at the time through something called the Mound Builder myth, settlers were finding across old sites as they were moving west and they didn’t believe that the Natives that were around could build them), I’m Mexican so if my understanding of Mormon theology is correct then I’m basically a Lamanite since I have indigenous ancestry somewhere. Also in a section called Ether there’s wooden submarines mentioned. The Urantia Book is much closer to what this video talks about as it was created much later and it does talk about planets and galaxies with a Jesus twist (and eugenics from what I’ve read), they’re two different texts but they’re similar in that they’re basically additions to the Bible.
While it’s fun to poke fun at the religion, it’s genuinely disheartening growing up in a family where everyone believes the entire religion to be true. I’m the outlier for not devoting my life to this and it’s hard.
Chin up mate I fully know what you are going through as I went through it . I was raised in the Church in New Zealand and was in your shoes when I left the church about 23 years ago, I'm 46 now and live a very different life from what I did back then things will get easier . As I look over my life now I know I made the right choice and my life is so much better without the church in it.
There is an Near Death Experience about a drug addict who died and went to hell. He saw Joseph Smith there. It is here on youtube. The title is called "Man Goes to Hell and Sees This Famous False Prophet." A real horrible fate awaits those following the Mormon faith. God help them all, because the Mormon God will not as it is a demon.
No, Mormon’s are NOT Christians. They do not hold to the orthodox view of the Trinity, the prophets of the OT, Jesus’ teachings, etc. They “borrow” the name, but nothing about the cult is Christian.
It really doesn't matter if they follow Nicean Christianity or not. Historically, they are a product of the Second Great Awakening and therefore part of the history of Christianity. Sectarian debates about theology and who gets to be part of which club have very little value.
@@RobespierreThePoof I mean then the Unitarian Universalists and arguably Islam is also Christian then. you do need boundaries on what is inside a group and what is the line outside. or else everyone is actually just Jewish.
Before you have this claims, please explain what is your definition of “Christians” mean Next, please explain how we do not use Jesus’s teachings and how is that we “Mormons” don’t hold the same view as the prophets of old. Ill have to agree on you, that yes we dont hold the same view as the orthodox trinitarian view. But even after all, how are members of the Church of Jesus Christ (Mormons) are a cult? Please define what cult mean. Ill have to disagree with you with most of the claims you made. To simplify 1. We are christians, because we believe in Christ. We believe He is the great mediator of Man and God. We believe the wisdom He has taught in the New Testament and also through his prophets, including the ones revealed to Old Testament Prophets. We believe in the testimonies of Him that he is the Son of God. We believe in His atonement and His prophecy foretold in the Old and New Testament. The term Christians refer to people who are “believers of Christ”. 2. We believe in Prophets of old including from the time of Adam to the apostles. We believe theres modern day prophet’s that are living today aswell. Whether you disagree or not with our view of modern day prophets, it does not prove that we don’t follow counsel’s and teachings that the prophet of old as preached. 3. We are not a cult. Here’s a definition of a cult “ : a small religious group that is not part of a larger and more accepted religion and that has beliefs regarded by many people as extreme or dangerous.” - Our membership has it 17 million, not to brag but it is not a small religious organisation. Aside from Polygamy which was banned from late 1800s, how has our Church and doctrine been anyway extreme or dangerous? If we are cults back then, are we cults now?
@@AjayTamilarason-bh2cl Hi Ajay! I think I can take a stab at this. lets talk about the definition of Christian. you suppose that a Christian is someone who follows Christ. but Muslims say they follow Christ. but you and I agree they arent Christian. so we know its not just someone who claims to follow him. other groups such as some Buddhist will say he is a Bodhisattva or a Guru. heck Bahai faith has a closer view of Jesus to Orthodoxy than Mormonism because they view him as a manifestation of God and not a literal offspring. but they arent Christian. we could go with anyone who self describes as Christian is a Christian but that would just be ripe for abuse. like if an atheist group made the church of Christ and Satan where they blend the two together. what makes in my mind the clear cut difference is the Trinity. other religions dont have this, all Christian groups do up until your church and the JW came onto the scene.
My mom turned mormon after my parents split and she got custody of me. I think the only thing that keeps people in the LDS church is the fact that they actually rarely talked about the more insane beliefs and Ideologies and spent most sundays just giving testimonials about how god has impacted peoples lives and singing hymns. I honestly think that if most mormons actually learned about these teachings, they'd leave like my Mom eventually did. Even as a kid I could see Mormonism was BS and it made me lose interest in all religions. After 10 years of being an atheist I found faith in christ, however and I never turn away Mormons when they come knocking, because I do believe its a cult that people need saving from.
@tomoates8568 Well I became agnostic after realizing that life is irreducibly complex, but I just figured we were as animals and just stop existing when we die. (Which actually sounded quite nice at the time.) Two Thanksgivings ago I got talking to a relative who is an insanely smart and successful but was a Christian. He ended up laying down the historical evidence for christ, showing how Judaism and Christian was revealed to man and not written by man, he showed me how jesus claimed to be god and backed up his claim through the resurrection, he talked about the incredible lives of the saints, showed me how God's law has to come from God because it goes against the values of nature. And that last one was a big one for me, because if we just evolved through survival of the fittest then should think like chimps and be raping and stealing and killing. The idea of Sexual immortality has no place in nature, nor the idea of self sacrifice, nor the idea of mercy, nor forgiveness, ect. I used to say I dont need religion, and honestly the thought of death never frightened me until I saw all the evidence and couldn't deny that christ not only lived (and isn't a metaphor or a fairy tale), and that he died and was resurected on the third day. And if I am to trust all of that, then I need to trust him that our creator actually loves us and wants to be with us and that death isn't the end.
@tomoates8568 Also I'd like to mention, Christians aren't mislead sheep with low intelligence like I used to think. There are some very intelligent Christians out there who debate very intelligent atheist, that I highly suggest you look into if you want evidence and answers to the finer details of things.
@@StanTorrent Calling a cult heresy is "normal" religion's way of saying "This is nuts even for us!". Heretical cults tend to cut themselves off completely from the mainstream or ecumenical community of a religion, proclaiming that they are the "True Church", "True [insert religion here]" etc. Both Mormonism and Jehova's Witnesses are cults that were founded by single individuals in the 19th century who claimed to know better thant the Church Fathers and the Ecumenical Councils. They rejected the Ecumenical Councils' and Church Fathers' teachings like the Trinity, the dual nature of divinity and humanity in Christ etc. (Nizene mainstream). Nizene, trinitarian Christianity is the mainstream in the Christian faith, and if Orthodox, Catholic and Protestant Churches (with Baptists etc.) agree that what your group teaches is bonkers, then you are doing something wrong, because other than the Nizene Creed (without filioque!), there are few things the multiple branches of Nizene, trinitarian mainstream Christianity can agree on.
Do you think the all mighty Elohim would come let out a little smile at the prospect of sex with a fair maiden? .....lol , nah bro i grew up mormon, everytime i saw that video after i left that church that look made me laugh so much as well priceless
@@turbofan67 In my country to help keep the public safe we put out a yearly publication called the 'Sexual offender catalogue' that has photos of last years rapists, child molestors what they did etc .From 1976 - 79 prime sexual offender in all of New Zealand was the splitting image of that Eloheim in that cartoon with that same look , I wonder if they copied that cartoon Eloheim off of our national prime sex offender, or if our poster boy was actually the real mormon Eloheim in a human body impregnating the females of my land with gods seed and we accidently thought he was a serial rapist.....put him in jail for a few years..Some deep doctrine to think about next time you hie to Kolob in the twinkling of an eye.
The basic reason we don’t consider Mormons (or JWs) to be Christian is because the absolute minimum requirement to *be* Christian is to believe in the Trinity. You said it yourself, the Mormon god is fundamentally different from the Christian God.
That seems strange since the trinity is a post biblical belief dating to around 300 AD. No one in the New Testament writings preached the trinity, so none of the original Apostles were Christian by that standard.
@@brettmajeske3525 the Trinity was defined in the post-biblical period, but the belief is throughly biblical and apostolic-even if they didn’t have the same vocabulary.
@@dominikdurkovsky8318 That only speaks to the pre existence of deity, nothing what so ever to do with the specific doctrines of the trinity. If the Hebrew Bible talked about the trinity wouldn't Jews be Trinitarian?
My grandmother was a non-practicing Mormon when she died in 1997. She was buried in the town where she was raised and where all her family and friends lived. Then, 7 YEARS LATER the Mormon church finally found out that she died and they exhumed her body and reburried her in Utah. We live in Pennsylvania...
Former mormon here: I'm impressed! The research you did yourself was very well done, primarily using the mormon church's own sources it seems. You were also very intellectually honest to acknowledge several times how many of these teachings have been disavowed (or more likely, quietly avoided until members forget they used to be doctrine). Most nevermo videos I've seen either bug me with small errors mixed in, stuff from mispronunciations that just annoy me to small misconceptions or half-truths that usually come from fundie evangelical christians trying to discredit mormons. It always bugs me because like, there's obviously plenty of legitimate criticism!! I think they just can't criticize from the obvious channels very well because their faith has similar, if less extreme, problems. Anyway, as far as I can tell you nailed basically everything and weren't trying to misconstrue any of the weirdness, just took it as it was. I even learned something, which I don't very often from nevermos after a while deconstructing and going down rabbit holes, I didn't know that they used to teach Jesus was polygamist. Side note: I typed a super long response to the one mormon who tried to criticize the video in a comment but they deleted it and now I'm sad.
@@Decision_Justice @user-cjl3bjc0cms8 No idea. I have only recently begun to comment on TH-cam videos, so I am unaware of the procedures involved. Never went to check if it was deleted or if it became a standalone comment (did not know that may have been an option).
Well according to Robert Heinlein, he and Hubbard were talking about Joseph Smith and Book of Mormon. The conversation led to Heinlein writing "Stranger in a Strange Land" and Hubbard to create Scientology.
As an ex mormon who grew up in the Mormon hub (salt lake city), on the topic of how much of this is currently believed, the answer is super complicated. Most of the details like being judged by Joseph smith or heaven polygamy or castration aren’t believed by the large majority. They aren’t even known by most Mormons. Mormons have this weird problem where they believe both the Bible and the book of Mormon but don’t know how to account for the discrepancies so most of them really don’t even know what their own religion is supposed to believe. It wasn’t until I was a teenager that I learned about the whole “becoming a god and getting a planet” thing and when I asked Mormon adults in my life about it they seemed just as confused. About half said it was true and the other half said it was a metaphor (but like, a metaphor for what???? Wtf?). Also, to further prove how little most Mormons know about their own religion, I’ve started playing this lil trivia game with Mormon family members where I ask them what Gods name is (Elohim). I shit you not, not even 20% of the ADULT Mormons I’ve asked know the answer. And admittedly I myself only knew cause of an edit of this cartoon (“you can’t touch mormon Jesus” so funny and highly recommend) cause like we aren’t taught this at all in church? Out of my family of 6, my dad and I knew (the ex Mormons), and my little brother about to go on his mission knew vaguely but butchered the pronunciation. My mom, sister, and other brother had no clue. Even some of my extremely by the book Mormon relatives had absolutely no idea. Mormons are, at their very core, just egotistical Christians who think they’re better than everyone else just because they’re Mormon; while hardly even knowing what makes Mormons different from other Christians. They just know they’re special because god told Joseph smith that they are the only true Christian’s. Never mind the fact that half of what Joseph Smith said and believed in isn’t believed in by other Mormons anymore because it’s so batshit insane.
@@Sucullentbutter what do you mean by that? What work exactly? Also God is God, so any work that does need to be done I would expect him to do instantly (considering the fact that it’s no effort at all for him to do so) unless there was a good reason for him not to. So yes, I would expect god to do all the work unless there was a genuine reason for him to leave it to humans instead. Maybe he doesn’t do some things so that humans can grow themselves. That I can understand. Why he doesn’t do anything about genuine atrocities, that only cause major suffering and trauma through, I’ll never be able to understand. I don’t expect God to do everything, but I’ll never understand why he allows some things to happen; like little girls being r*p*d. Hence my obsession with the theological debate of “the problem of evil”. I’ve never found a valid explanation for it and as a result I’m unable to have full respect for God. Maybe one day I’ll understand and be able to respect his decision to allow such vial evil and cruelty into this world. Until I’m given a valid explanation for that cruelty though, and a reason as to why adult r*p*sts and k*llers free will is prioritized over innocent children’s lives and free will, I can never approve of what god is doing and allowing
@@Sucullentbutter oh shit 😭 sorry! I’m autistic and don’t play enough video games to have gotten the reference. Sorry to give you a whole ass (anti)religious ramble in response 😰😭😭
one of my best friends growing up was LDS..i was Southern Baptist. We used to have sleep overs at each other's houses,she was such a sweetheart,and we had some erm...spirited..debates,lol.
Growing up mormon, i always hated that their "heavenly mother" was off limits for prayer or worship. I have writings from female ancestors musing about her. It almost felt like the leadership was carefully avoiding her to fit in with evangelical types and avoid giving women their due. It felt very cynical and was one of many reasons i left.
Did these writings contain any info about worshipping her? I’m currently looking into paganism and Asherah was one of the goddesses I was interested in (besides Freyja)
@@ovp3606 not really, there is little to no official info from the church, Joseph Smith made heavenly mother up to manipulate women. Some of the writings I have are more questions than info about her. Others assert things about her through reading extra info out of other Mormon materials that do not mention her. Unfortunately searching for the Mormon mother goddess is pretty fruitless even when you have some proximity to church history. May I suggest if you are looking for a cool "mother goddess" figure, turn to the Atrahasis flood myth for "Nintu"/"Mami" who weeps for humanity on the steps of the sky god's palace during the flood, very moving story, was everything I would want from that kind of "mother goddess" character.
@@ovp3606 unfortunately I do not think Joseph Smith was aware of asherah, thus mormon heavenly mother could not be a syncretization of asherah. I believe his logic was "if we have sky daddy, why no sky mommy?" And then he failed to incorporate anything beyond "doctrine and covenants 132" to canonize her. So the writings I have are mostly poetry or speculation pulled out of scriptures that have nothing to do with a heavenly mother. I too am deeply interested in goddesses, one I would suggest that I am somewhat moved by is "Nintu"/"Mami" from the Mesopotamian "Atrahasis" flood myth. She weeps for humanity on the steps of the sky god's palace as the flood rages.
@@fordan_gamsy3521 Ashera is in the OT, so there's no way he could not have been aware. Ashera is made a false god in the OT, though, and the Caananite notions of her as the wife of the king of the gods (which is why her poles were put up next to the 'high places' of the israelite god) were not so widely known back then.
@@professorhaystacks6606 It's how Joseph Smith talks about her that tips me off that Joseph wasn't thinking of asherah. He never says her name, he incorporates "eternal polygamy" which would necessitate multiple (likely infinite) wives for God, there are musings from subsequent prophets that God "married" jesus' mother Mary to legitimize that interaction. Mormons look down on Canaanite culture as a symbol of depravity. I think if anything, joe may have heard the words "god had a wife" then he stopped listening and just ran with that idea.
Had a serpent, a 14ft Burmese python and he never uttered a word besides*blblblblblb* - I didn't need the snake to convince me I'm a god(dess), I know I am as is everyone who has provided mankind ANYTHING new; children, art, music, science - we're all gods and should act accordingly..
I was raised mormon, and as a child I used to fantasize about what my planet would look like. I hadn't quite figured out yet that as a woman, I was there to make babies, not planets. So glad I left.
Thanks so much for this! I am an ex-mo and I love that you are sharing our craziness with your followers. I feel like ex-jw are our cousins and I watch your channel religiously. (Pun intended). Keep up the good work!
I grew up in a strictly Mormon household and I didn't even know half of this stuff. But I can agree that reproduction is HUGE in Mormonism. Growing up my parents were constantly having kids, I was second oldest in a family of 10 (5 sisters 2 brothers) so I was constantly taught how to cook, clean, and care for my future children by half raising my siblings while my parents were busy making more. I was essentially raised to be a baby-making machine till the day I die and be a wonderful trad wife. When you reach 18 you go to a "young single adult" church for Mormons where you speedrun getting married so that you can start a family quicker, on my 19 birthday my parents where disappointed that I'm not married yet. As an asexual I have expressed my distaste for sex, but am constantly told that "I'll change my mind when I get married" or "I'll grow to want it" and people don't believe me when I say that and even go to say the most disgusting sex talk I've heard. My parents are still expecting blood-related grandchildren.
I don't think it's just limited to the Mormon church either tbh. My parents are Orthodox Presbyterian, and they still talk about me getting married and having kids even tho I have told them that it's not for me.
fellow asexual exmo I relate heavily to what you said here. For years I felt like my only purpose in life was what my mom had told me what was 'revealed to her' by god or the spirit or whatever, which was I would one day marry a man and have children. Great way to make a kid feel like they have failed at life if they don't want to a). marry a man, and b). have children 10/10 parenting there, mormons. /s
I'm a Mormon who only wants 3 kids, which is more than most people. I don't judge other Mormons who want lots of kids, and I don't find it immoral or selfish necessarily, but I do find it rather odd that some Mormons have so many kids. Who wants to have a boatload of kids to look after 24/7? I certainly don't lol.
Woah woah woah, wait a minute Martha and Mary Magdalene AND Mary? Are they trying to say Jesus married his mom!? Are they confusing Jesus with Oedipus!?
There where more than one Mary in the Bible. One was Martha's sister, then Mary Magdalene (or rather Mary from Magdalene/Magdala) and then of course Jesus Mother.
At least JWs attempt to use the Bible to justify their beliefs. Mormons are even flakier. I studied with two eighteen year old elders. The only proof they could offer me was to “pray on it.”
@@heathyenna5345hm idk, God is not eternal as the Bible teaches So many times? How there are other gods ignoring a Ton of the OT and God's word in doing so and also We becoming gods? Again ignoring a Ton of the OT and what God said.
It all boils down to money, money,money. Endless celestial sex sounds like something a teenager would dream up, which Joseph Smith was when he started this cult. Keep those tithes coming, folks.
Endless Carnal Sex can be attained with..... wait for it.... Money. The money you get from your congregation, where a select few are polygamous. Crazy huh 😂
I think with cult leaders like this Their cult of personality in the being the leader of god chosen group with themselves being looked up to by many as special and above others ends up becoming the motivating factor
I was raised Mormon and indoctrinated into its Teachings , I was a Missionary but half way through my mission I did the unthinkable and asked to come home early as as Mormons would say " I had lost my Testimony " - Long Story short When you are sent on your Mission you are told not to read into the 'Heavy Deep Mormon Doctrines " that are mentioned here But they had always fascinated me and in the Missionary Training centre my fellow Group of 10 other missionaries favourite unofficial hymn we would sing in our room ( Which would be heavily frowned upon if our leaders knew ) Was an old Hymn no longer sung in church meetings called ' If you could Hie to Kolob " Its tune is probably the best and most moving of all the Mormon Hymns - should look it up . Anyways on my mission it just did not feel right to me and despite me saying I was happy and putting on a fake facade deep down I was not happy so came home and left the church. When I left I started to see the church as outsiders did and more and more realised how I had been robbed of my youth raised in a cult created by a sex obsessed conman called Joseph Smith.
I love that Hymn! "If you could Hie to Kolob." I'm not surprised if it's not being sung in church anymore. Thank you for mentioning it. I was a True Believer in the Church and absolutely loved what I believed was the True Gospel. However, I saw far too much corruption in the Church and learned firsthand that the General Authorities DON'T CARE about those being abused, and will not even dismiss from a calling a man who is doing terrible things, even when they have tons of evidence. We were always taught "the Church is Perfect, but the members are not." Well, I saw firsthand how false that belief was; the church is far from perfect, and is actually very corrupt, and that corruption goes all the way to the top. In fact one could say it originates there. I had to stop going to church. I'm glad you also found your way out. It's too bad it couldn't have been the True Church after all. I actually like most of the doctrines; but the church is outright LYING, and that can never be overcome.
@@eclipse-sh1qmZ3mOtcua Hey I don't know if you got my reply 3 days ago or not because TH-cam had me on a commenting ban, but if you didn't, I thanked you for your comment it helps me feel a bit more connected to the world knowing there are others just like me, and I am not the only one. Your story is the same as mine and I saw first hand also the corruption with the prophet coming and praising corrupt mission leadership in the California Arcadia mission I was serving in, upon leaving Provo MTC while I was waiting for my visa to Japan to clear.. This killed my testimony and upon reaching Japan it led to a series of events that got me an interview with general authorities over the issue, As soon as the authorities realised they could not answer my concerns adequately or convince me that i must be under the influence of satan they went from warm and loving to seeing me as a threat, and they went cold and got up and walked out on me. The secretary at the front desk told me that The General authorities on walking out on me told her to tell me I had to find my own way back to where i was staying, as the church vehicle they picked me up in was only for those worthy enough for its use. I had no money, couldn't read Japanese and had to walk right across Tokyo city on foot which is massive city trying to find my apartment in the snow. I ended up on the first plane back to New Zealand after that they didn't want me contaminating the rest of the mission. I'm happy that i left the church. Anyways .... About ' If you called hie to Kolob ' if you didn't already know it's based on an old English tune called 'Kingsfold' and also 'Dives and Lazarus - Maddy prior ' is another name it gos by . if you search through some of the older English folk tunes ( I have branched off into Russian folk songs currently )you will come across some other little forgotten gems . These little finds are what I find spiritually uplift me these days. I wish you all the best with your future. The world is made better by good humans like yourself regardless of their religious affiliations. Ofa Atu to you and your family from me and the people of New Zealand.
Ok, but why does the Mormon Elohim story sound like Zeus from Greek mythology? I mean think about it: Zeus has multiple goddess-like wives and impregnates human women. Elohim has Heavenly Mother and other "divine wives" but also comes down to earth to impregnate Mary? I know there's probably no direct relation but the resemblance is uncanny.
"The crazy shit i believe in is true because it's what I was taught as a child. But the crazy shit others believe in are lies" Almost every human being
THIS! I've studied comparative religions and find the Catholic church to be the craziest. All the "miracles", visions, self-abuse in the name of God, and countless centuries of justified killing. **shakes head** most faiths are full of WTF.
That’s why i love that my parents raised us without religion and watched us form our own beliefs. My brother is a staunch atheist, I’m agnostic and my sister is Unitarian
Dude, I’m impressed. I used to be mormon and have come across so many videos like this that are full of mistakes that could be easily identified with a google search. You did a great job, as always.
@@robertashcraft2859 When the original of this video came out and when I was a missionary about 40 years ago, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints had approx. 5 to 6+ million members worldwide. It also had approx. 35,000 full-time missionaries. Today, in 2024, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has 17+ million members throughout the world and 100,000+ missionaries (Full-time, Senior (Older Adults), and Service). Approx half of the Church are people of color. In Fact, Africa is the fasting growing area of the Church today. All that this type of films and other ANTI LDS propaganda have done is pique the interest of those that are truly seeking for truth. The humble and the sincere seekers of truth will wonder why (which many have done) is this The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints the most persecuted Christian Church by other Christian Churches today. Why are so many films, movies, plays, news reports, TH-cam channels, and other social media platforms portraying The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in a mostly negative way. One has to think. Wait, I’ve worked or gone to school, or been associated with many active members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (aka Mormons). They (for the most part) were very nice, helpful, friendly, genuine people. They don’t drink (Alcohol), don’t smoke, don’t swear, etc. They are industrious, they work hard, they are (for the most part) happy people. They believe in Jesus Christ as their Savior. They believe in loving God and Jesus Christ by servicing others and striving to live their lives as a believer in Jesus Christ, keeping His commandments, serving others, and being doers of the word and not hearers only. Of course, in the Church there are a few (active) that do not live by what they are taught. My family has been in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints for 7 generations (this includes my grandchildren) in Hawaii since the 1870s. The Church 1st sent missionaries to the Hawaiian Islands in 1850, 3 years after they went to Utah having to flee into Indian/Mexican territory due to so much persecution (slander, bigotry, tarred and feathered, rape, killing, driven out at gun point, etc.). Many of my ancestors were darker then some of the Blacks today. The Church grew quickly in the Polynesian Islands (Hawaii, Tahiti, Tonga, Samoa, Fiji, etc.).
@@robertashcraft2859 The internet and secularism have definitely ruined many Christian Churches (Catholic, Orthodox, Mainline Protestant Churches). A new Gallup Poll came out yesterday that shows the overall religious service weekly attendance has gone down from 42% in the early 2000s to 30% today (2023). The Catholic church has seen the largest decline at -12%, followed by the Orthodox at -9%. The Protestants have seen a decline of -4%. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has seen a decline of -1%. Members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has the highest weekly attendance at 67%, followed by Protestants at 44%. Catholic weekly attendances stands at 33%. Source: Gallup WELLBEING MARCH 25, 2024 Church Attendance Has Declined in Most U.S. Religious Groups Three in 10 U.S. adults attend religious services regularly, led by Mormons at 67% BY JEFFREY M. JONES Other Surveys on LDS Show: - "Are Latter-day Saint Marriages More Stable?" Times and Seasons, October 19, 2021 9% of Latter-day Saints identified as divorced. Catholics (15%), Buddhists (16%), Evangelical Protestants (17%), Historically Black Protestants (30%), Jehovah’s Witnesses (15%), Jews (12%), Mainline Protestants (15%), Muslims (15%), Orthodox Christians (13%), and Unaffiliated (17%). - Most Churches are Losing Members Fast - But Not the Mormons. Here’s Why. In an era of declining faith, Mormon membership is holding steady. Daniel A. Cox March 6, 2019 While the structure of the LDS Church, which relies on volunteer leadership at the local level, requires an active membership, there is an upside to the obligations of religious community. In an era marked by unprecedented religious decline, Mormons appear to be holding their own. more than the rules, rituals, and rigorous theology, the success of the Mormon Church may have to do with their unrelenting focus on the family. A 2015 Pew Research report shows that Mormons are more likely to be married and to have larger families than other Christians. Roughly two-thirds (66%) of Mormons are married, compared to only about half (52 percent) of Christians overall. Mormons are more likely to marry within their faith than members of most other religious traditions: 82 percent of married Mormons report that their spouse is also Mormon. And Mormon families are large even compared to other Christian traditions, averaging 3.4 children compared to 2.2. children for all Christian households. Among the 350 families he studied, no religious group was more effective in passing on their religious identity and beliefs to their children than Mormons. - Survey: Latter-day Saints are everywhere in media, but Americans still know little about them Published: Nov 5, 2022, 9:00 p.m. MDT The quiz about church beliefs and practices included polygamy. Missing two or more answers was considered a failing score. Here is the quiz: Members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Mormons) ... Can live with more than one wife (false) Can’t eat chocolate (false) Can’t drink alcohol (true) Can’t have blood transfusions (false) Believe Christ is the Son of God (true) The survey found that those who said they like Latter-day Saints scored three times higher on the quiz than those who said they disliked church members. Those with a college degree scored 78% higher than those without a college degree.
@@robertashcraft2859 the LDS church has taken a more aggressive tactics in an attempt to plausibly deny "uncomfortable accusations". The Mormon Stories Podcast has discusses some of these from time to time. It's really crazy.
@@melorca1962 Mormon stories Podcast is very Anti-Mormon. a lot of the information they give is a misleading, twisted version of the truth, much like this video.
Joseph Smith got his ideas about starting a new religion after he heard Muhammad new religion and he said “ if Muhammad can start a new religion so can I “ So ideas like “ Books of Abraham “ and “ heavenly haram “ and more comes from Islamic teachings. 😮
I've never read or heard that. You know people in the Torah/Old Testament, which Christians believe is a holy text, also had many wives, and things like slavery and sex slavery that were specifically commanded and regulated by God.
They're called garments. Except to bathe, they are worn 24/7. Dad -never a devout Mormon -called them varmints and let then get torn and tattered -an ABSOLUTE NO_NO!!!!!
Exmo here. @19:30 Regarding "Castration". That doctrine is affectionately referred to as the TK smoothie. I.E. Telestial Kingdom (Bottom tier heaven), Smoothie (Barbie and Ken style genitalia). The Celestial Kingdom (Top tier Heaven) is for the polygamists and their servants (the monogamist Mormons) and uh... the Curse of Ham people who were also good Mormons.
@@bendyrland7213I think the tk smoothie as a concept is fairly old, at least as old as the 70s or 80s. I think that recent mention you may have heard was ol' creationist heart surgeon Russel Nelson (aka skeletor or mr burns) sometime last year gave a talk "think celestial" where he alludes to "telestial bodies" as a unsavory outcome for the afterlife. The whole point of the talk was more "don't look outside, don't think how you want, think how we want. Don't worry about this life, give it to us in hopes of heaven" Truly horrifying stuff if you pay enough attention to the doublespeak.
Yup… it’s true… if you don’t make it to the top kingdom, the celestial kingdom, you will not be allowed to procreate in the eternities and thus you lose your balls and get a nice tk smoothie. Here’s the quote from Joseph Fielding Smith "In both of these kingdoms there will be changes in the bodies and limitations. Some of the functions in the celestial body will not appear in the terrestrial body, neither in the telestial body, and the power of procreation will be removed. I take it that men and women will, in these kingdoms, be...neither man nor woman, merely immortal beings having received the resurrection." -Doctrines of salvation, vol 2.
@@kdaviper Can you form a coherent sentence? Most religions are ancient and the ancient terms and words they use, i.e. "Elohim" were used in their texts because that was the language of the day.... so it's hard for them to ignorantly use something like an old Hebrew word, i.e. the topic, and use it wrong because they didn't do their research on biblical Hebrew.. I usually criticize religion quite a bit, but that was some trash attempt to shit on it ngl
Former mormon here. I clicked on this video waiting to hear a lot of BS because this cartoon is full of twisted facts but I'm impressed with your research because you got almost everything right. i don't care to correct the few mistakes that you made, but the only thing I think is critical to correct is that they believe Jospeh Smith did more than any other men to the salvation of men EXCEPT Jesus, not including Jesus. And the other mistakes I don't think changes a lot on the overall view on the religion that you presented here. Good job!
Yes, it should say "except." The writer of this sentence was probably using Joseph Smith's famous boast he made in an 1844 Sunday Sermon: “I have more to boast of than ever any man had. I am the only man that has ever been able to keep a whole church together since the days of Adam. A large majority of the whole have stood by me. Neither Paul, John, Peter, NOR JESUS ever did it. I boast that no man ever did such a work as I. The followers of Jesus ran away from Him, but the Latter-day Saints never ran away from me yet.” (Proclaimed by Joseph Smith, Jr., History of the Church, Vol. 6, p. 408, 409
@@Decision_Justicethe irony of that statement: a few months after making it, Ol’ Joe was chased out of Kirtland, Ohio, by angry members after a banking scheme he cooked up went awry and they lost their shirts. The members then tried him, declared him a false prophet and excommunicated him. Now in Missouri, Joe retaliated and excommunicated them.
Not a Mormon or ex-Mormon here but I have DEEPLY studied their religion. To clarify one point, yes, the doctrine that you can't enter the priesthood if you're black has been rescinded, but the racist teaching behind that original teaching has not disappeared (descendants of Ham being black). Also, from what I can tell they still believe that "less good" spirit children enter the world as black people. I know this because I saw this short from the channel Mormon Stories where someone recounts an African Mormon dad getting mad at a Mormon teacher for saying he was dark skinned because he was "less virtuous in the Pre-existence" (pre-existence being the time you're a spirit child before you come to earth with a physical body).
While it would not surprise me that there are still Mormon who believe past theories, Bruce R McConkie formally rejected his previous speculation back in 1978 during an address at BYU. They were disavowed again multiple times since, including in a manual for Seminary and Institute teachers in 2004 and in the Gospel Topic Essays in 2013. Doing a search of past Mormon General Conferences and officially published manuals and handbooks does not find either of those common folk traditions. Mostly the belief can be traced by third party publications like the Journal of Discourses, Doctrines of Salvation, and Mormon Doctrine. The first was published by George Watts and originally printed by Lion Press, the last two were published by Bookcraft Press. Many people, including members, think those books were published by the LDS Church and are somehow reflective of official policies and doctrines.
Sorry Panda, they got to me a long time ago. Ever since the MC Hammer Mormon Jesus remix. My favorite cute thing Joseph Smith did was translate all of his texts in KJV English using a lot of stuff we know was mistranslated now
Exmo here. You should be aware that this is from a movie called The God Makers, which was shown at many Christian churches in the late eighties, as a warning about how EEEEEEVIL the Mormons were. It did have enough of an impact that the Mormon Church went and changed the temple ceremonies in the 1990s to remove some of the more odious aspects of it - and are still changing to this day. Be aware that the maker of this film, Ed Decker, is considered by many to be a charlatan - even exMormons have nothing good to say about him. He did a second movie, God Makers 2, in which he and the film makers made unfounded claims that the then President of the Church, Gordon Hinckley, was involved in gay drug orgies - for which they were sued by Hinckley. If you want to have a great chuckle, check out the three part interview Decker did on the Mormon Stories podcast - the guy comes across all big I and little you, makes all sorts of suspect claims (he claims that the Church sent agents to poison his diet Coke! He denies that he committed adultery, despite what his first wife and a court of law proved. He claims that B'Nai Brith putting out a statement condemning his film as being hateful, was rigged, claiming that their board was actually packed with Mormons! Uh Huh.)
Oh yes Ed Decker. I remember the interview he did with Bob Larson back in the day. I confronted a pair of Mormons who came to door one day with what Decker and Larson were saying. I am so embarrassed by that.
No man Ed Decker was right though. Notice how he also made a movie about the JWs and they still seem normal compared to your crazy people. The Mormon religion is nuts and disgusting.
My great grandfather many generations ago is Brigham young and yes he's a piece of poo. His nickname was the warlord of utah because he waged a war against the us government. the us government left him to be governor as long as he didn't go anywhere else. I'm very glad i wasn't raised in this faith, though the church has probably baptized myself and my daughter in it.
Regarding the castration thing: from what I can tell, that originated from Joseph Fielding Smith Jr (10th leader of the lds church, not to be confused with his father Joseph Fielding Smith Sr [6th leader] or his father's uncle Joseph Smith Jr [founder], or his father's cousin Joseph Smith III [founder of the second largest sect of mormonism which rivaled Brigham Young's], or his great grandfather Joseph Smith Sr, who I don't think ever lead any cults). He taught that those in the lower two kingdoms of heaven would have "the power of procreation [...] removed" and be "neither man nor woman". This was vaguely hinted at by the current leader awhile back, and "T.K. smoothies" has been a bit of a meme in exmormon circles since.
Yes, from a book JFS Jr wrote nearly 30 years before becoming president of the LDS Church, and not repeated afterwards. I suppose some Mormons may agree with him, but that hardly makes it official doctrine.
Things I did not expect when clicking on a video about mormon lore: - Heresy within 5 seconds of the episode shown - God is an alien??????? - RACISM IS A PART OF MORMON LORE????? - More HERESY???? - Native American and Palestine Mormon colonies???? (Also they talk about how the "dark skinned" Native American "isrealites" but then show them as just as light skinned as the lamanites they're fighting) I want to know what Joseph Smith was on when he came up with this
Much of what the cartoon portrays can not be legitimately attributed to Joseph Smith. The cartoon is from a 1982 movie produced by Jeremiah Films to discredit the Mormon church. Jeremiah Films specializes in evangelical propaganda and conspiracy theories. As far as I can tell, Joseph Smith never talked about "endless celestial sex" or any kind of celestial sex; Blacks being cursed or less valiant in the pre-mortal existence; infinite goddess wives; owning planets; starbase kolob; or Lucifer and Jesus being brothers. The visual representations are also the result of the film makers prejudices and not the Mormon church.
Hearing the phrase “ endless celestial sex” from a kids religious cartoon is pretty surreal. It’s said with such a matter- of- fact tone. WHY was it so important to use such an odd emphatic phrase ?
@@icu3869 Why do you think this was "a kids religious cartoon"? The cartoon comes from an Evangelical propaganda film called "The Godmakers" from 1982 produced by Jeremiah Films. It was intended to spread intentional disinformation and misrepresentations of what most Mormons actually believe. While some children may have seen it when it was released, the target audience was the adult members of the various Evangelical churches where it was shown. The movie never had a theatrical release, mostly being showed in the basements and parking lots of many churches.
"Heresy" against another mythology-based belief system is a bit ironic, don't you think? That's like saying Immortals Fenyx Rising is heresy against Greek mythology. What does it matter if it's just fan fiction of another fiction?
@@brettmajeske3525 - How is it disinformation and misrepresentation if it's textually accurate to what's in the books? Panda showed passages that backed up what the cartoon was saying. It's not propaganda and misrepresentation if it's true. You could try to argue, but I have a Book of Mormon of my own not 2m from me. Denial doesn't work when people have easy access to resources to fact check.
Regarding "being castrated", I think it is not an explicit teaching, but it is implicit; In the Doctrines and Covenants and several prophets teach that the members of the Church who were married in the Temple, and were faithful to the moral codes and covenants, will be sent after this life and the resurrection to the highest Kingdom, which is called the Heavenly Kingdom; they will be a marriage of gods and will have a celestial intercourse, to procreate spiritual children, who will be sent to a planet, to receive a phisical body. The members who did not marry in the Temple (sealed), but by their faithfulness to Mormonism deserve the Celestial Kingdom, will be like angels, for not having married (here it can be interpreted as that they will be castrated or become asexual beings). They will not be able to be gods or procreate spirit children, but they will serve those who were exalted as gods in the Celestial Kingdom. Those who were not faithful enough, will not be sent to the Celestial Kingdom, but to one of the other 2 kingdoms, depending on the life the person lived; in none of those other kingdoms will they be able to have spiritual children, and therefore intimate relationships. For them it can also be interpreted that they were castrated, or made asexual beings.
I've known one Mormon and a few ex-Mormons who referred to the implicit castration bit in the afterlife as getting the "TK Smoothie". "TK" being shorthand for "Telestial Kingdom" (what they believe is the lowest afterlife) and "smoothie" being Barbie/Ken doll anatomy.
There are multiple characters named Mary in the Gospel accounts, Mary the mother of Jesus, Mary the sister of Martha, Mary Magdeline, and the other Mary.
@@Idunnohowabout7364 Why would you think that? Mary the mother of Jesus lived in Nazareth, while Mary and Martha lived with their brother Lazareth in Bethany.
@@brettmajeske3525 I remember hearing a story about Mary the mother of God having a sister named Martha and she gave birth to a boy which is Jesus’ cousin I probably got confused there since both pairs have the same name
It’s always so odd to me seeing people who were never Mormon experience Mormon doctrine from an outside perspective. I grew up very Mormon and currently can’t leave (I want to though)
@@OperaGhost-5 why wouldn't I want to leave?? I'm going to assume you are LDS. I HIGHLY recommend reading the CES letter. You'll probably see it as "anti", but genuinely, it brings up real points and questions about doctrine and church history that no real loving god would ever allow. The Mormon church is a church that tells its members to ask questions, but discourages real answers. Not to mention the very clear sexist and raciest teachings. Women are not equal to men in the Mormon church. God's real church would not belittle and discriminate against any of his children. Not to mention that the LDS church is very anti LGBTQ+ and I cannot support an organization that instills guilt, shame and fears into its members for being who they are. It's like telling people that we let red heads into our church, but only if they dye their hair blond. It's discriminatory and gross. The LDS church likes to perpetuate the idea that it gives you freedom from guilt and remission for you sins, but in reality it fosters those feeling in the first place. You should not have to feel guilty about who you love, who you are, or what you look like. Not to mention that the Book of Mormon is provably false and a work of fiction made up by Joseph Smith. Genuinely, if you do even 10 minutes of research you can find PROOF that the BOM is not a literal work. That is more proof than we will ever have of it being true. I recommend looking into the origins of the book of Abraham in the pearl of great price and the actual literal translation of the original papyri (as was kind of mentioned in this video). That was not an inspired translation. And if Joseph Smith got it wrong that time whose to say he ever had it correct in the first place? I hope this inspires some self discovery and deep reflection in you. Deconstruction of Mormonism is difficult but will ultimately be for you're benefit. I was once a true believer like you... I genuinely wish you well.
@@OperaGhost-5 why would I want to stay in a church that is founded on homophobic, sexist, racist doctrines? if you literally do more than 10 minutes of research (beyond just LDS sources) it is pretty easy to prove the Book of Mormon to be a work of fiction. Jospeh smith was a con man and even 200 years later he continues to fool millions of people. If you are actually interested in learning more about the lies that the Mormon church continues to perpetuate, I recommend you read the CES letter, or at the very least look into the origin of the book of Abraham. If it's easy to prove that one of Joseph smith's translations was false, how are we supposed to believe in any of his others?
I remind all of you that Jesus said there was no marriage in heaven (Matthew 22:30), not anything about sex. We can all complain bitterly about this but this is fact. And do not accuse me of saying that there is sex in heaven. That is not what I said.
I’m a member and you are correct, there is no marriage in heaven in the sense you cant have the ceremony in heaven. If your marry on earth and are sealed to that person, then you are forever sealed to that person unless something happens where you choose to separate
@@NathanKnight-kc7yj Why can't you have the Ceremony in Heaven? Seems to me that if God wants us to be happy and we are in Heaven and fall in love with a dear person, we should be allowed to be married. Eternity is a long time, so why can't we have a Ceremony in Heaven?
The thing with having kids used to be normal among all religions. They all wanted to grow and be larger than the others. It's only recently that Catholics started having smaller families. Look at Catholic families up until maybe the 70's or 80's, huge broods of children were very common.
"If you believe a 19th century man found some golden tablets then translated them into 17th century english then conveniently lost them. Your barking mad"! Richard Dawkins
Never thought I would agree with Dr Dawkins on something, I don't even consider his Selfish Gene theory accurate since it requires genes to act in a way as though they have agency or at least imitates that with no real reason that is not better explained by ordinary biological, biochemical and mathematical factors. And just seems edgy honestly. But I do rather agree with his assessment of Joseph Smith's account even if I would be more charitable about it.
As someone who is growing up in a Mormon household, I can tell you just based off the title, this isn’t a joke. Also I love this dude’s content so I’m fun a become a member once I can get a job. I hope he keeps up the great work.
@@danielarejgar Christian Means "Follower of The Christ" Grammatically. So when you look at the Teachings of Jesus Christ and then Mormonism, it makes them non-Christian. They're like a cult more than anything. But I understand your view of this completely, just wanna inform another so I can see them in heaven
Former True Believer Mormon here. [Part ONE] I was raised in a believing Mormon home and we went to church, to every meeting, without fail. You have to attend regularly to all meetings, and do all the required readings to get the full indoctrination. Required reading includes: all the Mormon scriptures: Pearl of Great Price, Doctrine and Covenants, Book of Mormon, and the Bible. As a True Believer, you would also read the books by the Top church authorities, which tell you how to interpret the scriptures. And every teenager is encouraged to attend Seminary, which I did. I'll add to what commenter "JunoSpeaks says," since I continued being firm in my belief through getting married in the Mormon Temple and having kids. Yes, I was 18 when I got married in the Mormon Temple. There's one thing you need to keep in mind about Mormon Teachings. There is what is "Taught" and then there is what is BELIEVED. There's a difference between those 2. What is taught depends on what the current Prophet (President of the Church) wants to have taught. If things aren't being taught, it doesn't mean those beliefs aren't BELIEVED. Right now the Mormon Church wants very much to be accepted as a normal Christian Denomination, so they're doing everything they can to eliminate use of the word "Mormon," except when referring to the Book of Mormon. You'll notice the True Believers by their presence online when they correct people online and tell them "the official name of the Church is 'The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints'." If they take the time to correct you online, then you can be assured you're speaking to a True Believer. A True Believer will not tell you the truth about the Church's beliefs because they DO sound so crazy. The True Believer will generally use obfuscation, concealing, and pretending if you ask pointed questions about the TRUE beliefs. And right now, most of the True Beliefs are NOT BEING TAUGHT -- remember there's a difference between TRUE BELIEFS and between what is taught. The teachings in the cartoon are correct; those ARE real the real BELIEFS, but they generally are NOT in regular meetings. You only learn those things by doing deep reading into the scripture books of "The Pearl of Great Price" and "Doctrine and Covenants" along with reading books by church authorities who expand on what those scriptures mean. The racist teachings were taught from the beginning, but since 1981 the new scriptures have the words changed, so it doesn't sound so bad. You can get a copy of the 1920 Book of Mormon free online as a pdf, if you want to see what the original REALLY said. And I recommend downloading a FREE pdf copy of the 1878 edition of The Pearl of Great Price, if you want to get a True understanding of Mormon Doctrine. The scripture book known as "The Doctrine and Covenants" you can find an accurate pdf of the 1880 edition FREE online. However, the actual book used today starts at page 76. Again the Difference between what is "TAUGHT" and what is "BELIEVED." Polygamy is no longer "TAUGHT," but it certainly is BELIEVED. When a Mormon official is asked questions by the media they will usually respond "I don't know that we teach that." It's a carefully worded way of answering. For example, Young people in the church aren't TAUGHT polygamy anymore, but as they get older and do the devout studying they will learn that it is still BELIEVED, but just isn't practiced, and the Church forbids it's practice currently. If you want to read an enthralling book on what the practice of polygamy is really like, pick up the book "In Sacred Loneliness: the Plural Wives of Joseph Smith" by Todd Compton. My family goes back a long ways in the Mormon Church, and they practiced polygamy. Nowadays, the reality of what it was like is whitewashed, and the True Believer, as they study, will get a false belief that it was somehow God's way, otherwise his One True Church would not have practiced it. My grandmother told me of her experience with her grandmother, who lived polygamy. It was very bad. In a normal monogamous marriage the spouses are meant to be each other's confidants -- your spouse is the one person you can confide everything in. It's not that way with polygamy. In polygamy the relationship becomes one of Master: Slave. The women are the slaves, the man is the master, and the women with their children, must compete for their Master's attention. It's not a spousal relationship. And the man never really gets a spouse he can confide in. Nobody does. And the part in the cartoon about Elohim knocking on the door of Mary? Well, it IS a BELIEF of the Church that Mary was "made with child" by the same means as any other human being is born. Although it doesn't require knocking on a door. The Church *does not TEACH* that however, and it's representatives aren't going to answer that question if asked. You only learn that info by being extremely devout and reading all the deep books. In Mormon Doctrine the meaning of "Only Begotten Son" when referring to Jesus (John 3:16, KJV) means exactly that: "God's ONLY begotten son."
How does one know what is believed if no one actually teaches it? Is not unity of belief maintained by common teachings? If any group stops teaching what they actually believe, soon each subcommunity and subculture will develop their own version of those beliefs? It seems like you do not believe that beliefs can evolve or change over time. Sociologists claim every religion, political party, or other ideological identity always changes over time. It is not like modern Protestants would recognize the religions of Martin Luther or John Calvin.
Thanks for posting this info. I’ve always wondered why Mormons denied all the crazy stuff whenever I asked and why they always seemed upset when being referred to ask Mormons.
The Mormons also believed that the black man was inferior and bore the mark of Cain. Blacks were also not allowed in the priesthood for a long time. These beliefs were enforced and taught until the early 80s or so. So what happened to those beliefs? I guess all of a sudden their prophet told them that what their founder taught and said was the word of God was suddenly no longer true?
The good thing about all that racism is that it has saved black people a lot of tithing money. And there are a lot of angry exmos on TH-cam nowadays who are angry about all the gaslighting and outright lies from the church. Black folks were saved from all that as well
I was raised mormon, I'm 17 now so I have no clue what they teach adults, but I haven't ever really heard anything about polygamy or "endless celestial sex" from the church itself. They do have a weird obsession with raising kids and misogyny.
My parents were devout mormon fanatics so I've absorbed quite a bit of information, and I'll use this chance to infodump
So mormons still do believe that you can become a god in life after death. Generally it is taught that both Heavenly Father and Mother lived on their own earth, and did all the steps that mormons teach today to gain their godhood. This is the first time I'm hearing about heavenly polygamy, but I assume any mention of polygamy was dropped when "The Family: A Proclamation to the World" came out in 1995. In this, it was stated that a marriage must be between a man and a woman. Anyways, so Heavenly Father and Mother passed their trial, became gods, and built this universe. They live near Kolob, and there are actually tons of other "earths" with our heavenly siblings also having their mortal test. That's what they refer to this life as, a test. There's only one Jesus though, so none of the other earths got a Jesus. We're just special little snowflakes for that one. I don't believe it is taught that God is Adam? I think he's his own guy now. So we all pitched in to make earth, Lucifer became Satan, 1/3 of heaven's population will never get a body. I have never heard of the neutral sides being cursed with dark skin? There's a whole separate cursing for that later down the line though.
So everything was made in 7 days blah blah blah, Adam and Eve sinned which is taught that it had to happen, and was part of God's plan. WHICH! This has always messed me up, God is omnipotent, knows past present and future, and yet, we still have agency? Like, the choices we make matter, but God said we were gonna do that anyways? Its set in stone but it's not its just weird and paradoxical. Anyways Adam and Eve got banned from the garden, and also because Eve sinned that's why pregnancy is painful. It was a punishment. Later on, Adam dies and is actually the angel Michael. Because we all have heavenly names that are different from our earthly ones. You gotta keep track of all those, its tough. The garden of Eden is believed to have been physically removed from the earth and will come back in the end times, in Missouri. Because that's where it is located, apparently.
Right so the Book of Mormon begins around 600 BC, in Jerusalem. Nobody likes prophets at all, so God's gonna throw a temper tantrum and destroy it. An old guy named Lehi prays on behalf of Jerusalem, and sees a vision, and then becomes a prophet. Naturally, Jerusalem didn't like that, and bullied him for his fever dream so Lehi and his family left. They were pretty rich, but didn't take anything with them. So they go over generally by the red sea- The family consists of Lehi, his wife Sariah, and their four sons Laman, Lemuel, Sam, and Nephi, who liked to journal. Eventually they have to go back to get some Brass plates from another rich guy, and God tells Nephi who's more righteous than his brothers, that killing is okay sometimes. So Nephi stabs the rich guy who is drunk, steals the plates, and borderline kidnaps rich guy's servant. Then Ishmael and his family also joins them.
Now Lehi has another vision, which is thrown around A TON in primary and sunday school (the church classes for the younger kids and teens), which is about the tree of life and the iron rod. Long story short, The Iron Rod is the Word of God, and you have to hold fast to get your fruit from the tree of life and people will be laughing at you all while you do so. After that Nephi has a second record we call the Book of Lehi, which had more of his visions and sacred things and all that, which Joseph Smith lost, and as punishment is now sealed and cannot be added to the Book of Mormon. They go on and on about prophecies and have a ton more kids in the wilderness and then one day they get a really funky looking compass which sits outside their tent, but it only works if everyone's being good. Nephi builds a boat, they go to the Americas, which mormons believe they landed in Chile, Lehi dies, and then they live in relative peace for about 40 years before the "Nephites" and "Lamanites" Split off from each other. Nephites were hard workers, and built cities, and lived righteously, and the Lamanites got cursed (here it is).
The actual quote from the scriptures on the website:
"And he had caused the cursing to come upon them, yea, even a sore cursing, because of their iniquity. For behold, they had hardened their hearts against him, that they had become like unto a flint; wherefore, as they were white, and exceedingly fair and delightsome, that they might not be enticing unto my people the Lord God did cause a skin of blackness to come upon them.
And thus saith the Lord God: I will cause that they shall be loathsome unto thy people, save they shall repent of their iniquities.
And cursed shall be the seed of him that mixeth with their seed; for they shall be cursed even with the same cursing. And the Lord spake it, and it was done."
The mormons just collectively choose to ignore it, and pretend it isn't there.
Later down the line they have a king after being explicitly told not to, but it's okay because he's a good king and also a prophet, and stood in a tower and spoke for multiple days. People gathered in tents and that was like the first General Conference or something. It's like constantly being compared to general conference in primary.
Then you have Alma who was an important guy. Lots about him. Did normal prophet things. Preached here, preached there, gets thrown in prison, prison gets smited.
There was also Ammon, who I remember vividly, because he cut off like 7 arms- and there was an activity lesson, where we re-enacted it sort of? there were like arm-shaped cutouots of paper but like???? I'm 12?? what are you teaching me? That is how you are reaching godhood? Cut off people's arms?
Anyways
Then the Nephites had to go fight so 2000 young men, which were assumed to be 12-15 years old, went to fight and none of them died. Yay! We are supposed to be like them. Whole song about it too.
So Christ comes and visits the Americas, who had just had the worst three days of their lives, because after Christ died, there was like Earthquakes and just all sorts of bad stuff, tons of people died, mountains flattened and new ones made, basically the whole geography changed. Then he lets everyone touch his hands, and leaves.
Then people get mad at each other, and nearly kill each other off, and Mormon takes all the different individual records and puts them together. Hence why its called the book of Mormon. He throws in one at the end, which talks about the tower of Babel, which was a huge tower people made to try to climb to heaven but God didn't like that so he made everyone speak a different language except for Jared and his family. They also built boats and sailed to America, but these ones had glowing rocks that God touched himself. The Brother of Jared, or Mahonri Moriancumer, but just brother of Jared to be easier, prayed for god to touch the rocks and because he was a good boy he saw god's hand.
1/2
So Book of Mormon is now all on the Golden plates, and his buried in Cumorah, in Palmyra New York. (Its basically a tourist attraction now, my family went there a few years ago)
Joseph Smith finds the plates at 14, has to translate without letting anyone see the plates, gets bullied out of multiple states, and the Mormons journey to Utah. Fun fact, Mormon Youth ages 14-18 I believe, will every other year or so, have the opportunity to participate in 'Trek', in which youth spend a number of days hiking, and roleplaying as those mormons who went to Utah. They are assigned 'families' and push handcarts and the whole shebang.
Its not actually really commonly taught all that goes down in Utah (Probably because they'd rather bury it, after the things I've discovered). But the church in Utah is now more of a culture than a religion. I spent two years growing up there, where there was ONE kid in my school who wasn't mormon because his Grandma wasn't. He was totally bullied. He was a great kid though, real nice.
Anyways the mormons have a whole thing about the future, where they will get more scriptures, too many to physically carry to church, there will be "wars and rumors of wars" blah blah blah second coming, and afterwards all the righteous people live on earth for a bit. The Holy Ghost will be the last person born. Then, the earth will be translated, or basically made celestial, and shoot through space to take it's place next to Kolob.
As for the afterlife, When you die, you well essentially be sent to a waiting room for judgement day. If you are righteous, you are resurrected. If not, you are sent to outer darkness, your punishment is regret for eternity. If you had not heard about the church, you are sent to spiritual prison, BUT, you have a chance to get saved, if your ordinances are done. This is, baptism, Endowment, all that. So, living relatives of these dead people carry out baptisms for the dead, if you are 12 or older. I'm not sure what the requirements for Endowment is. This is the only way to save them. If you were good, you are sorted out into three tiers. Telestial, Terrestrial, and Celestial. Celestial is the one everyone aims for, as that is where God lives, and that is where you can become a god. Terrestrial is where Jesus lives, and Telestial is the lowest of the good kingdoms. The stars, the moon, and the sun, which you can find engraved on the temple. Mormons do not believe in hell.
The steps for getting to is first, having faith in Jesus Christ, a testimony. Then repentance. Then you are to get baptized, at the age of 8 generally. They ask you if you want to, but if you grew up in a highly concentrated mormon area, or a devout mormon household like I did, the choice feels like more of a rhetorical question than an actual choice. Like, of course I'm going to get baptized, everyone gets baptized when they turn 8. Its why I'm allowed to have such a big party this year, because I'm getting baptized. Its just expected that you say yes before you even get to the question part so you do. Right after you get baptized you get the Gift of the Holy Ghost. The Holy Ghost CAN talk to people, but the gift of the holy ghost means he is with you always. Essentially, it's the gut feeling, or also described as a whisper you have to truly listen to hear.
When you turn 12, you graduate from primary and have the chance to hold a temple recommend. The requirements haven't changed from the ones in this video. Once you have your temple recommend, you can do baptisms for the dead. The youth regularly go out as a group to all do it. You use the church's record keeping website to find 10-20 names without a ordinance done, print it out, and bring it to the temple, where there is the person, who's body is essentially being used as that person's body. Only the men can baptize you, and only recently were women allowed to be witnesses for baptisms. I don't know anything about the marriage ceremony, but I didn't see one hidden camera footage and that looked culty as hell.
Anyways, for mormon media, I can't recommend enough the "My turn on Earth" Musical. I grew up with that thing on my family's VHS player and it basically is an explanation of the mormon Plan of Salvation for kids. Songs are kinda bangers though, ignoring the religious aspect of it.
I hope this explanation of mormon stuff can be found helpful, lol
There's probably a lot of stuff I left out or forgot but this is a somewhat basic summary of it all
I AIN'T READING ALLAT. 🗣
Have you ever seen somebody that was doing something that you felt was really bad. When you looked at them, did they appear delightful to you?
That is the curse.
A skin of blackness is a spiritual thing.
You don't have to trust me but there's plenty of white people covered in a skin of blackness.
A lot of this video is BS, in the way they try to portray Mormonism and their beliefs, is laughable, but this is what they're putting out for the rest of the world.
And maybe they thought it was disrespectful but even in Isaiah seven women will want to have the name of one man.
So don't act like polygamy isn't a thing in the Bible and these people just don't understand who God is and they mock him.
They even laughed at something that is actually quite funny.
I actually want to diss the person that made this video when they laughed.
Because to me, that's just a weak man.
That's not even a man IMO. The one that's scared to raise a kid even in this economy We need men to rise up and freaking raise their kids no matter what quit being a p**** like the guy in this video.
And maybe some of them believe Jesus took wives but that was never in official church cannon.
Just like this video claims that God has sex to create spirit children. . . because Joseph Smith said God never had the power to create the spirits of men, because they are eternal, so obviously this video is flawed.
And so is the world's views on the actual gospel of Jesus Christ.
And yes, satan gives this video a thumbs up. You know it, thanks for sharing and trying to clarify. Maybe you hope it isn't true, but God isn't done with you my friend.
@@lilknox2225 you don't have to? I was simply taking the opportunity to rant about what was thrown at me as a kid a hundred times over and get it out of my system ^-^
@@activelyperformingmitosis Celestial polygamy is effectively practiced by the current prophet Russell M Nelson. He remarried in the temple after his first wife died so he's sealed for time and eternity to two women.
When you want to be a fiction writer but your 19th century father wants you to be a priest.
Seriously. The guy clearly had imagination and drive. If I was dad I’d just ask for a cut
@@robertlockwood3277 Times have improved since then, even Stalin's parents thought he would be better off as an Orthodox priest than the supreme leader of the USSR.
tell him if you be a prist than his family line dies off becuase priest = no wife = no kids = death?
@@NightmareRex6 Become an orthodox priest, they can marry.
Good thing he didn't want to be a painter.
"Endless celestial sex" sounds like it should be the name of a 70s smooth jazz album
"White and delightsome", better than "Donny and Marie"!
😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
More like a porn parody
That is an interesting observation. I was thinking a 70s disco band.
“I’m a little bit white, I’m a little bit delightsome, we’re gonna have endless celestial sex … “ = a _banger_
I love how the video specifies “mormon Jesus” every single time!
Like “There is normal Jesus, and then there’s MORMON Jesus”
They just don't want to disrespected Jesus by calling MORMON Jesus the same they would as regular Jesus.
@@Jakov-or7fppretty much
You absolutely have to watch the video “you can’t touch mormon Jesus” it’s an edit of the cartoon and just trust me it’s great
Idunno how to specifically point it out, but Mormon Jesus looks like an American white guy rather than a European white guy when he's painted.
Based. Jesus is king the Mormon rip-off is just some dude
Scientology wishes it got this level of writing.
For a cult founded by a science fiction writer, Scientology lore isn't really the grandest thing out there. Most people just know Xenu
Most scientologists didn't know the lore lol. They can't afford the knowledge😆@@xibalbalon8668
The actual writing is atrocious. Half of the damn book of Mormon is "and it came to pass"
Best comment. Actually made me laugh out loud😂
The Devil is quite Krafty... To trick that many people into following this trash.
Whoever came up with Mormon mythology could probably fix the MCU💀
LOL
If you look at it from a pure lore perspective it is prettt good 😂
I hate that I agree with you.
It isn’t Mythology. Mythology is if nobody alive believe in it anymore
Phree Mahsons and Lucy Fer
"were cursed to be born with black skin"
I'm sorry what🙋♀️
It has been viewed as a negative thing throughout all of the world and throughout history.
@@angelmartin7310 I don't know how you thought that was a good excuse for racism. Your own prophet was a racist
Racismo ¿donde?
@@angelmartin7310Sure, viewed as a negative thing by ignorant racist and colorist people throughout history, yes. Viewed as a negative thing by normal sensible people throughout history, no.
The crazy thing is that Mormons and JW's harass Black people to try to join their belief systems. They have so much audacity.
my favorite part was where he said "its mormon time" and mormed all over the place
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@@OfficialDenzyyou must be mormen to think a comment like this could be anything but human created. Do you even know what bot means? Maybe he’s one of the gods laying infinite pipe up above.
@@br4252 I called him a bot because of spamming comments like these in every video
I have to admit....you didn't even need to show the cartoon to convince me to convert.
You had me the moment you mentioned 'Magic Underwear ' 😇
☝🏼 The men’s is hot. Just sayin…
All of it's magic. The catholic got magic wafers and wine. The Mormons just got sacred clothing that they wear, like Jewish, Muslim, Sikh, Buddhist people. Y'all act like theyre the weirdos when everyone just likes to wear or eat things that mean something important to them.
You missed the part about how he would drop an egg shaped rock into a hat and put his face in it and that’s how he “translated” the texts
LMAO 🤣
Rocks, plural, iirc. Ummim and Thummim in some accounts. Generic seer stones in others.
It was a seer stone. A type of agate. They admitted to it.@@professorhaystacks6606
Yeah man, it was a seer stone, duh!!
Also a magical Salamander would appear in that hat and dictate to him what to write .
The FREAKING BLASPHEMY OMG, my jaw is on the floor and i can't pick it back up.
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Careful, your own religion contains many sexist and disproven claims, too.
My jaw was dropped throughout the whole video aswell. Like there is absolutely no way i just heard that 💀
They reject pentecost and the promise made in it
Also Galatians 1:8
Mormons are actual heretics
Mormen mythology is amazingly nutts. This is easily some of the best sci-fi writing we have gotten
I think only one other "religion" has weirder "sci-fi writing"
@@raakoneWould that happen to be hinduism?
LRH has nothing on Joseph Smith.
@@ColorlessQuarkyprobably was thinking of scientology.... But I disagree... This is way crazier than anything in scientology
@@ColorlessQuarky nope, something even more out there. A volcano is allegedly involved.
Joseph smith: exists
Rosetta stone: "imma bout to ruin this mans entire career"
LDS=LSD
Best comment 😂
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LDS is LSD for the people
The worst LSD trip ever would trump any LDS activity though😉
@@melorca1962 Not opium ?
I knew a girl who left the JW religion to then jump into he Mormon one. One crazy belief to another
A lot of Amish do this as well
Is mormonism any crazier than other religions? No really. At least you get to become a god instead of a slave for eternity like Christianity.
lord
out of the frying pan and in to the fire
@@ilikecheese4518out of the pot and into the pan
Mormonism is a polytheistic, yet the Bible is monotheistic.
The Bible is but Christianity and Catholicism are not. The Bible states that there is one God in three manifestations, not persons.
The Father left His throne in heaven and took on the form of a servant. The Father is the Son is the Spirit.
The Christians fail to understand that God exists in all realms at all times, so they assume when it comes to explaining why Jesus prayed to the Father. God in the flesh was subservient to Himself in the Spirit, which is greater.
@@JayLee-bv3vw Catholicism basically says the nature of the Trinity is a divine Mystery, not to be understood by ordinary people. Like any Protestant (not Anglican or Episcopalian, maybe?), I could poke logical holes in the theory of the Trinity, so I think just saying it's a mystery is probably the best approach
@@squirlmy It's not a mystery at all. The Scriptures tell us. It's actually quite simple.
its because mormons are heretics
You could make the argument that christianity in general is polytheistic, in the same way you could make the argument that hinduism is monotheistic. Not saying either is necessarily correct, but things like this are harder to determine than just stating one is and one isnt lmao
Sounds like Joseph Smith was basically L. Ron Hubbard, but 100 years earlier.
Or Muhammad but 1000 years
BINGO!!! He was scum.
At least Joe didn’t marry and deflower a child, as far as we know….
@@wesleyfilms Joe didnt only marry a child.... he married over 30 women
Joseph Smith forgot to add Xenu the alien, who arrives on Earth 75,000 years in the past.
I like the way that their hair becomes all badass and spikey when they become demons! 6:24
Evil is cooler, you get anime hair!
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It was this moment that I realized that Mormons are the truth
I love how they talk about Ancient America, saying there were horses and all kinds of other things that didn't exist until Columbus and others came to the new world 🤣
I tried to believe it when I was falling for a Mormon girl, then I realized that they were full of shit.
While this video was very comical, a simple google search will show you that the horse DOES originate in Ancient America and it’s descendant(s) were reintroduced
@@bigspeaqer6157 the Indians ate them so the current ones were reintroduced.
One time I read, I guess on the book of Mosiah, that, in a certainly event, the nephites brought an ELEPHANT
Horses and camels originated in the Americas and later migrated to Eurasia. Much later, they became extinct in the Americas. Scientific facts.
I loved the part where he said “it's mormin' time!” and mormed all over everybody.
Damn celestial booty call! She opens the door and all he did was give her that look. No dinner, No movie, no ride, no walk around the mall, playa!
Sorry for getting off topic, but is "playa!" an actual expression? In spanish it simply means "beach". Does it have something to do with that? Genuinely curious.
@@tarniabook3076 playa is another way of saying "player"
God mode on
This whole thing sounds like the lore of a fantasy/sci-fi story
Because it is
I’ve read parts of the Book of Mormon and recently got a copy of the Urantia Book and both have… Interesting ideas to say the least
I guess that explains why many Mormons like Sanderson are into the fantasy/sci-if genre
@@monus782 please elaborate
@@mooniegoodiewell from what I remember a lot of the beliefs in this video are not in the Book of Mormon itself but I did find the passages that sound pretty racist and it’s pretty much an attempted explanation on where did the Native Americans came from (and some elements of this were pretty popular at the time through something called the Mound Builder myth, settlers were finding across old sites as they were moving west and they didn’t believe that the Natives that were around could build them), I’m Mexican so if my understanding of Mormon theology is correct then I’m basically a Lamanite since I have indigenous ancestry somewhere. Also in a section called Ether there’s wooden submarines mentioned.
The Urantia Book is much closer to what this video talks about as it was created much later and it does talk about planets and galaxies with a Jesus twist (and eugenics from what I’ve read), they’re two different texts but they’re similar in that they’re basically additions to the Bible.
While it’s fun to poke fun at the religion, it’s genuinely disheartening growing up in a family where everyone believes the entire religion to be true. I’m the outlier for not devoting my life to this and it’s hard.
Chin up mate I fully know what you are going through as I went through it . I was raised in the Church in New Zealand and was in your shoes when I left the church about 23 years ago, I'm 46 now and live a very different life from what I did back then things will get easier . As I look over my life now I know I made the right choice and my life is so much better without the church in it.
Have comfort in knowing you are too smart to be manipulated
There is an Near Death Experience about a drug addict who died and went to hell. He saw Joseph Smith there. It is here on youtube. The title is called "Man Goes to Hell and Sees This Famous False Prophet." A real horrible fate awaits those following the Mormon faith. God help them all, because the Mormon God will not as it is a demon.
@@jwarrior9986 really and you find that compelling ?
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Don't you have to go to heaven first to get judged ?
No, Mormon’s are NOT Christians. They do not hold to the orthodox view of the Trinity, the prophets of the OT, Jesus’ teachings, etc. They “borrow” the name, but nothing about the cult is Christian.
Well said
It really doesn't matter if they follow Nicean Christianity or not. Historically, they are a product of the Second Great Awakening and therefore part of the history of Christianity.
Sectarian debates about theology and who gets to be part of which club have very little value.
@@RobespierreThePoof I mean then the Unitarian Universalists and arguably Islam is also Christian then. you do need boundaries on what is inside a group and what is the line outside. or else everyone is actually just Jewish.
Before you have this claims, please explain what is your definition of “Christians” mean
Next, please explain how we do not use Jesus’s teachings and how is that we “Mormons” don’t hold the same view as the prophets of old.
Ill have to agree on you, that yes we dont hold the same view as the orthodox trinitarian view.
But even after all, how are members of the Church of Jesus Christ (Mormons) are a cult? Please define what cult mean.
Ill have to disagree with you with most of the claims you made. To simplify
1. We are christians, because we believe in Christ. We believe He is the great mediator of Man and God. We believe the wisdom He has taught in the New Testament and also through his prophets, including the ones revealed to Old Testament Prophets. We believe in the testimonies of Him that he is the Son of God. We believe in His atonement and His prophecy foretold in the Old and New Testament. The term Christians refer to people who are “believers of Christ”.
2. We believe in Prophets of old including from the time of Adam to the apostles. We believe theres modern day prophet’s that are living today aswell. Whether you disagree or not with our view of modern day prophets, it does not prove that we don’t follow counsel’s and teachings that the prophet of old as preached.
3. We are not a cult. Here’s a definition of a cult “ : a small religious group that is not part of a larger and more accepted religion and that has beliefs regarded by many people as extreme or dangerous.”
- Our membership has it 17 million, not to brag but it is not a small religious organisation. Aside from Polygamy which was banned from late 1800s, how has our Church and doctrine been anyway extreme or dangerous? If we are cults back then, are we cults now?
@@AjayTamilarason-bh2cl Hi Ajay! I think I can take a stab at this.
lets talk about the definition of Christian. you suppose that a Christian is someone who follows Christ. but Muslims say they follow Christ. but you and I agree they arent Christian. so we know its not just someone who claims to follow him. other groups such as some Buddhist will say he is a Bodhisattva or a Guru. heck Bahai faith has a closer view of Jesus to Orthodoxy than Mormonism because they view him as a manifestation of God and not a literal offspring. but they arent Christian. we could go with anyone who self describes as Christian is a Christian but that would just be ripe for abuse. like if an atheist group made the church of Christ and Satan where they blend the two together.
what makes in my mind the clear cut difference is the Trinity. other religions dont have this, all Christian groups do up until your church and the JW came onto the scene.
Magic underwear was the sell point for me
Or the refund point to be exact
Orson Scott Card and writes excellent fiction in a boxed set! Great fiction writer.
My mom turned mormon after my parents split and she got custody of me. I think the only thing that keeps people in the LDS church is the fact that they actually rarely talked about the more insane beliefs and Ideologies and spent most sundays just giving testimonials about how god has impacted peoples lives and singing hymns. I honestly think that if most mormons actually learned about these teachings, they'd leave like my Mom eventually did. Even as a kid I could see Mormonism was BS and it made me lose interest in all religions. After 10 years of being an atheist I found faith in christ, however and I never turn away Mormons when they come knocking, because I do believe its a cult that people need saving from.
Just curious, what made you believe in religion again? I was raised mornon and I'm an atheist now myself
Aaron! What up?!
@@aaronmoore6275 lol
@tomoates8568 Well I became agnostic after realizing that life is irreducibly complex, but I just figured we were as animals and just stop existing when we die. (Which actually sounded quite nice at the time.) Two Thanksgivings ago I got talking to a relative who is an insanely smart and successful but was a Christian. He ended up laying down the historical evidence for christ, showing how Judaism and Christian was revealed to man and not written by man, he showed me how jesus claimed to be god and backed up his claim through the resurrection, he talked about the incredible lives of the saints, showed me how God's law has to come from God because it goes against the values of nature. And that last one was a big one for me, because if we just evolved through survival of the fittest then should think like chimps and be raping and stealing and killing. The idea of Sexual immortality has no place in nature, nor the idea of self sacrifice, nor the idea of mercy, nor forgiveness, ect.
I used to say I dont need religion, and honestly the thought of death never frightened me until I saw all the evidence and couldn't deny that christ not only lived (and isn't a metaphor or a fairy tale), and that he died and was resurected on the third day. And if I am to trust all of that, then I need to trust him that our creator actually loves us and wants to be with us and that death isn't the end.
@tomoates8568 Also I'd like to mention, Christians aren't mislead sheep with low intelligence like I used to think. There are some very intelligent Christians out there who debate very intelligent atheist, that I highly suggest you look into if you want evidence and answers to the finer details of things.
As a Catholic, I can see why ppl make fun of Christianity. Most of us are sane, I swear.
It will only get crazier
mormons aren't even Christian lmao, the amount of heresies is crazy in Mormonism and JW is crazy.
@@silasmoriarty539Calling a cult “heresy” is very stupid
Mormons aren’t Christian since they reject the trinity which is heresy in the Christian faith
@@StanTorrent Calling a cult heresy is "normal" religion's way of saying "This is nuts even for us!".
Heretical cults tend to cut themselves off completely from the mainstream or ecumenical community of a religion, proclaiming that they are the "True Church", "True [insert religion here]" etc.
Both Mormonism and Jehova's Witnesses are cults that were founded by single individuals in the 19th century who claimed to know better thant the Church Fathers and the Ecumenical Councils. They rejected the Ecumenical Councils' and Church Fathers' teachings like the Trinity, the dual nature of divinity and humanity in Christ etc. (Nizene mainstream). Nizene, trinitarian Christianity is the mainstream in the Christian faith, and if Orthodox, Catholic and Protestant Churches (with Baptists etc.) agree that what your group teaches is bonkers, then you are doing something wrong, because other than the Nizene Creed (without filioque!), there are few things the multiple branches of Nizene, trinitarian mainstream Christianity can agree on.
That look on Elohim's face when he comes knocking on Mary's door - priceless!
Do you think the all mighty Elohim would come let out a little smile at the prospect of sex with a fair maiden? .....lol , nah bro i grew up mormon, everytime i saw that video after i left that church that look made me laugh so much as well priceless
Yeah, he's saying "Hey baby" with his eyes.
@@turbofan67 In my country to help keep the public safe we put out a yearly publication called the 'Sexual offender catalogue' that has photos of last years rapists, child molestors what they did etc .From 1976 - 79 prime sexual offender in all of New Zealand was the splitting image of that Eloheim in that cartoon with that same look , I wonder if they copied that cartoon Eloheim off of our national prime sex offender, or if our poster boy was actually the real mormon Eloheim in a human body impregnating the females of my land with gods seed and we accidently thought he was a serial rapist.....put him in jail for a few years..Some deep doctrine to think about next time you hie to Kolob in the twinkling of an eye.
Booty call
"Hey bb. Want some fuc?"
I love how the beginning is the plot of Superman 💀
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I bet they were smoking that celestial zaza when they wrote the book.
no shit there are legit academic papers about joseph smith using psychedelic mushrooms as an entheogen so possibly yeah
that herb IS in American history! Along with folk ways that may have influenced him. Sounds like a big campfire story to me!
I was Mormon when I first watched this video years ago, so I guess you could say I started this challenge backwards
What did you think?
I have to ask, how much of this applies to current day Mormons? Just generally curious. Is space Jesus still a thing?
@@JasTheSass I don't think it was ever "a thing". The cartoon contains much misrepresentation and distortion.
@@brettmajeske3525 I assumed it would be that way, but I figured I’d ask anyways.
@@JasTheSass If you want "Space Jesus" then the Space Trilogy from CS Lewis is a better bet.
The basic reason we don’t consider Mormons (or JWs) to be Christian is because the absolute minimum requirement to *be* Christian is to believe in the Trinity. You said it yourself, the Mormon god is fundamentally different from the Christian God.
That seems strange since the trinity is a post biblical belief dating to around 300 AD. No one in the New Testament writings preached the trinity, so none of the original Apostles were Christian by that standard.
@@brettmajeske3525 the Trinity was defined in the post-biblical period, but the belief is throughly biblical and apostolic-even if they didn’t have the same vocabulary.
@@brettmajeske3525 Genesis 1:1," Before there was Abraham, I am" , ending of the gospel of Matthew,...
@@dominikdurkovsky8318 That only speaks to the pre existence of deity, nothing what so ever to do with the specific doctrines of the trinity.
If the Hebrew Bible talked about the trinity wouldn't Jews be Trinitarian?
John 1:1 (there was no pronoun after the word "was")
My grandmother was a non-practicing Mormon when she died in 1997. She was buried in the town where she was raised and where all her family and friends lived. Then, 7 YEARS LATER the Mormon church finally found out that she died and they exhumed her body and reburried her in Utah. We live in Pennsylvania...
No they didnt
lol this is such a lie
Naw, they don't are enough about their money bags to do that
Sounds illegal.
This definitely didn't happen
Former mormon here: I'm impressed! The research you did yourself was very well done, primarily using the mormon church's own sources it seems. You were also very intellectually honest to acknowledge several times how many of these teachings have been disavowed (or more likely, quietly avoided until members forget they used to be doctrine).
Most nevermo videos I've seen either bug me with small errors mixed in, stuff from mispronunciations that just annoy me to small misconceptions or half-truths that usually come from fundie evangelical christians trying to discredit mormons. It always bugs me because like, there's obviously plenty of legitimate criticism!! I think they just can't criticize from the obvious channels very well because their faith has similar, if less extreme, problems.
Anyway, as far as I can tell you nailed basically everything and weren't trying to misconstrue any of the weirdness, just took it as it was. I even learned something, which I don't very often from nevermos after a while deconstructing and going down rabbit holes, I didn't know that they used to teach Jesus was polygamist.
Side note: I typed a super long response to the one mormon who tried to criticize the video in a comment but they deleted it and now I'm sad.
He deleted it? Bummer, that must mean that my comment is gone now too! Sucks when somebody confronts you with factual information you don't like.
Turn to Christ ✝️
@@Morstorpod Don't responses to Main comments, after the Main comment is deleted, just end up as stand-alone comments?
@@Decision_Justice @user-cjl3bjc0cms8 No idea. I have only recently begun to comment on TH-cam videos, so I am unaware of the procedures involved. Never went to check if it was deleted or if it became a standalone comment (did not know that may have been an option).
L Ron Hubbard must have read this
Well according to Robert Heinlein, he and Hubbard were talking about Joseph Smith and Book of Mormon. The conversation led to Heinlein writing "Stranger in a Strange Land" and Hubbard to create Scientology.
Nation of Islam is something else too.
Saturated market he wouldn't have been able to profit
He may have. Orson Scott Card is a great novelist and he is also an LDS member, saw his box set yesterday at a bookstore!
As an ex mormon who grew up in the Mormon hub (salt lake city), on the topic of how much of this is currently believed, the answer is super complicated. Most of the details like being judged by Joseph smith or heaven polygamy or castration aren’t believed by the large majority. They aren’t even known by most Mormons. Mormons have this weird problem where they believe both the Bible and the book of Mormon but don’t know how to account for the discrepancies so most of them really don’t even know what their own religion is supposed to believe. It wasn’t until I was a teenager that I learned about the whole “becoming a god and getting a planet” thing and when I asked Mormon adults in my life about it they seemed just as confused. About half said it was true and the other half said it was a metaphor (but like, a metaphor for what???? Wtf?).
Also, to further prove how little most Mormons know about their own religion, I’ve started playing this lil trivia game with Mormon family members where I ask them what Gods name is (Elohim). I shit you not, not even 20% of the ADULT Mormons I’ve asked know the answer. And admittedly I myself only knew cause of an edit of this cartoon (“you can’t touch mormon Jesus” so funny and highly recommend) cause like we aren’t taught this at all in church?
Out of my family of 6, my dad and I knew (the ex Mormons), and my little brother about to go on his mission knew vaguely but butchered the pronunciation. My mom, sister, and other brother had no clue. Even some of my extremely by the book Mormon relatives had absolutely no idea.
Mormons are, at their very core, just egotistical Christians who think they’re better than everyone else just because they’re Mormon; while hardly even knowing what makes Mormons different from other Christians. They just know they’re special because god told Joseph smith that they are the only true Christian’s. Never mind the fact that half of what Joseph Smith said and believed in isn’t believed in by other Mormons anymore because it’s so batshit insane.
Ok but one question.
Can you expect god to do all of the work?
@@Sucullentbutteryou’re cooked bro.
@@Sucullentbutter what do you mean by that? What work exactly?
Also God is God, so any work that does need to be done I would expect him to do instantly (considering the fact that it’s no effort at all for him to do so) unless there was a good reason for him not to.
So yes, I would expect god to do all the work unless there was a genuine reason for him to leave it to humans instead. Maybe he doesn’t do some things so that humans can grow themselves. That I can understand. Why he doesn’t do anything about genuine atrocities, that only cause major suffering and trauma through, I’ll never be able to understand. I don’t expect God to do everything, but I’ll never understand why he allows some things to happen; like little girls being r*p*d.
Hence my obsession with the theological debate of “the problem of evil”. I’ve never found a valid explanation for it and as a result I’m unable to have full respect for God. Maybe one day I’ll understand and be able to respect his decision to allow such vial evil and cruelty into this world. Until I’m given a valid explanation for that cruelty though, and a reason as to why adult r*p*sts and k*llers free will is prioritized over innocent children’s lives and free will, I can never approve of what god is doing and allowing
@@jasperjudd It was Just a silly little game reference, i tought more ppl wolud know since new Vegas is like. 10 yes old.
@@Sucullentbutter oh shit 😭 sorry! I’m autistic and don’t play enough video games to have gotten the reference. Sorry to give you a whole ass (anti)religious ramble in response 😰😭😭
“Who was known for his tall tales”
That should have been our first clue😂
That the cartoon is just an Evangelical propaganda that doesn't actually reflect Mormon beliefs?
one of my best friends growing up was LDS..i was Southern Baptist. We used to have sleep overs at each other's houses,she was such a sweetheart,and we had some erm...spirited..debates,lol.
The members of the church are very good persons, the unique problem is they believe's:/
And now you're a pagan 🎉
Growing up mormon, i always hated that their "heavenly mother" was off limits for prayer or worship. I have writings from female ancestors musing about her. It almost felt like the leadership was carefully avoiding her to fit in with evangelical types and avoid giving women their due. It felt very cynical and was one of many reasons i left.
Did these writings contain any info about worshipping her? I’m currently looking into paganism and Asherah was one of the goddesses I was interested in (besides Freyja)
@@ovp3606 not really, there is little to no official info from the church, Joseph Smith made heavenly mother up to manipulate women. Some of the writings I have are more questions than info about her. Others assert things about her through reading extra info out of other Mormon materials that do not mention her. Unfortunately searching for the Mormon mother goddess is pretty fruitless even when you have some proximity to church history.
May I suggest if you are looking for a cool "mother goddess" figure, turn to the Atrahasis flood myth for "Nintu"/"Mami" who weeps for humanity on the steps of the sky god's palace during the flood, very moving story, was everything I would want from that kind of "mother goddess" character.
@@ovp3606 unfortunately I do not think Joseph Smith was aware of asherah, thus mormon heavenly mother could not be a syncretization of asherah. I believe his logic was "if we have sky daddy, why no sky mommy?" And then he failed to incorporate anything beyond "doctrine and covenants 132" to canonize her. So the writings I have are mostly poetry or speculation pulled out of scriptures that have nothing to do with a heavenly mother.
I too am deeply interested in goddesses, one I would suggest that I am somewhat moved by is "Nintu"/"Mami" from the Mesopotamian "Atrahasis" flood myth. She weeps for humanity on the steps of the sky god's palace as the flood rages.
@@fordan_gamsy3521 Ashera is in the OT, so there's no way he could not have been aware. Ashera is made a false god in the OT, though, and the Caananite notions of her as the wife of the king of the gods (which is why her poles were put up next to the 'high places' of the israelite god) were not so widely known back then.
@@professorhaystacks6606 It's how Joseph Smith talks about her that tips me off that Joseph wasn't thinking of asherah. He never says her name, he incorporates "eternal polygamy" which would necessitate multiple (likely infinite) wives for God, there are musings from subsequent prophets that God "married" jesus' mother Mary to legitimize that interaction. Mormons look down on Canaanite culture as a symbol of depravity. I think if anything, joe may have heard the words "god had a wife" then he stopped listening and just ran with that idea.
The ancient lie of the serpent: you become like God.
Had a serpent, a 14ft Burmese python and he never uttered a word besides*blblblblblb* - I didn't need the snake to convince me I'm a god(dess), I know I am as is everyone who has provided mankind ANYTHING new; children, art, music, science - we're all gods and should act accordingly..
“I have said, ye are gods..”
Psalm 82, and Gospel of John 10
The irony is that the serpent is painted as evil for exposing God's deception.
@@randybobandy4801Just read the chapter for context, God Bless❤
@@kdaviperWhat deception, the serpent is deception itself, Godbless❤
I was raised mormon, and as a child I used to fantasize about what my planet would look like. I hadn't quite figured out yet that as a woman, I was there to make babies, not planets. So glad I left.
Thanks so much for this! I am an ex-mo and I love that you are sharing our craziness with your followers. I feel like ex-jw are our cousins and I watch your channel religiously. (Pun intended). Keep up the good work!
I grew up in a strictly Mormon household and I didn't even know half of this stuff. But I can agree that reproduction is HUGE in Mormonism. Growing up my parents were constantly having kids, I was second oldest in a family of 10 (5 sisters 2 brothers) so I was constantly taught how to cook, clean, and care for my future children by half raising my siblings while my parents were busy making more. I was essentially raised to be a baby-making machine till the day I die and be a wonderful trad wife. When you reach 18 you go to a "young single adult" church for Mormons where you speedrun getting married so that you can start a family quicker, on my 19 birthday my parents where disappointed that I'm not married yet. As an asexual I have expressed my distaste for sex, but am constantly told that "I'll change my mind when I get married" or "I'll grow to want it" and people don't believe me when I say that and even go to say the most disgusting sex talk I've heard. My parents are still expecting blood-related grandchildren.
I don't think it's just limited to the Mormon church either tbh. My parents are Orthodox Presbyterian, and they still talk about me getting married and having kids even tho I have told them that it's not for me.
fellow asexual exmo
I relate heavily to what you said here. For years I felt like my only purpose in life was what my mom had told me what was 'revealed to her' by god or the spirit or whatever, which was I would one day marry a man and have children. Great way to make a kid feel like they have failed at life if they don't want to a). marry a man, and b). have children
10/10 parenting there, mormons. /s
And that's okay. They can't tell you you need to because you are your own person.
I'm a Mormon who only wants 3 kids, which is more than most people. I don't judge other Mormons who want lots of kids, and I don't find it immoral or selfish necessarily, but I do find it rather odd that some Mormons have so many kids. Who wants to have a boatload of kids to look after 24/7? I certainly don't lol.
You just have each kid in charge of watching another kid bam problems solved lol@@bradycall1889
So black skin is bad but brown skin is ok? They seem to somewhat admit that the Israelites would not have been white? I'm curious.
I am a Israelite myself (jewish man) I live in israel half of us a brown skin bro
@@yoythecoolyou are not no Israelite you don’t for not 1 _curse_ in Deuteronomy 28
@@yoythecoolI thought Israel sterilized the balax and browns 🤔
@@IyahshYasharahla144k trust me, my parents who does knows kept me away from these things. Thank god!
@@yoythecool you are Edomite your fate is in the book of Obadiah! Read It!
Mormonism is the best example of “dude, I made this shit up for fun and to make money. What the fuck were y’all doing?”
Woah woah woah, wait a minute Martha and Mary Magdalene AND Mary? Are they trying to say Jesus married his mom!? Are they confusing Jesus with Oedipus!?
Mary seems to have been a popular name backthen, there was another Mary apart from Jesus mom
Mary, the sister of Martha. Not the Virgin Mary.
Mormons never said that Jesus married his mom. I'm a Mormon myself.
There where more than one Mary in the Bible. One was Martha's sister, then Mary Magdalene (or rather Mary from Magdalene/Magdala) and then of course Jesus Mother.
Mary, the sister of Martha and Lazarus.
At least JWs attempt to use the Bible to justify their beliefs.
Mormons are even flakier. I studied with two eighteen year old elders. The only proof they could offer me was to “pray on it.”
Les TJ n'utilisent pas la bible mais la T M N rien a voir
What beliefs are so weird with the Bible as source material? As compared to other Christian sects, what is weird?
Yeah, and, before asking you to pray, they show you the book of Alma chapter 32
@@heathyenna5345hm idk, God is not eternal as the Bible teaches So many times? How there are other gods ignoring a Ton of the OT and God's word in doing so and also We becoming gods? Again ignoring a Ton of the OT and what God said.
18 year old elders? 👀
Magic underware...🤩
As a Harry Potter fan I'm in!😂
Ha 😂
I was raised Mormon and stopped going when I was 16. It’s a total cult and worse than underwear and tithing. Absolutely insane
same
Tell me what happens in the temples
It all boils down to money, money,money. Endless celestial sex sounds like something a teenager would dream up, which Joseph Smith was when he started this cult. Keep those tithes coming, folks.
Endless Carnal Sex can be attained with..... wait for it.... Money.
The money you get from your congregation, where a select few are polygamous. Crazy huh 😂
money, and honeys. In Joseph Smith's case especially. When you are The Prophet Of God, you can get any honey in your cult to obey you.
I think with cult leaders like this Their cult of personality in the being the leader of god chosen group with themselves being looked up to by many as special and above others ends up becoming the motivating factor
Joe had no less than 42 wives.
I was raised Mormon and indoctrinated into its Teachings , I was a Missionary but half way through my mission I did the unthinkable and asked to come home early as as Mormons would say " I had lost my Testimony " - Long Story short When you are sent on your Mission you are told not to read into the 'Heavy Deep Mormon Doctrines " that are mentioned here But they had always fascinated me and in the Missionary Training centre my fellow Group of 10 other missionaries favourite unofficial hymn we would sing in our room ( Which would be heavily frowned upon if our leaders knew ) Was an old Hymn no longer sung in church meetings called ' If you could Hie to Kolob " Its tune is probably the best and most moving of all the Mormon Hymns - should look it up . Anyways on my mission it just did not feel right to me and despite me saying I was happy and putting on a fake facade deep down I was not happy so came home and left the church. When I left I started to see the church as outsiders did and more and more realised how I had been robbed of my youth raised in a cult created by a sex obsessed conman called Joseph Smith.
I’m glad you left!!! Joseph Smith was a sicko
@@doubleedgedfist1535Thank you that comment actually means a lot to me despite me not knowing you.
"a cult created by a sex obsessed conman called Joseph Smith". That is exactly accurate.
I love that Hymn! "If you could Hie to Kolob." I'm not surprised if it's not being sung in church anymore. Thank you for mentioning it. I was a True Believer in the Church and absolutely loved what I believed was the True Gospel. However, I saw far too much corruption in the Church and learned firsthand that the General Authorities DON'T CARE about those being abused, and will not even dismiss from a calling a man who is doing terrible things, even when they have tons of evidence. We were always taught "the Church is Perfect, but the members are not." Well, I saw firsthand how false that belief was; the church is far from perfect, and is actually very corrupt, and that corruption goes all the way to the top. In fact one could say it originates there. I had to stop going to church.
I'm glad you also found your way out.
It's too bad it couldn't have been the True Church after all. I actually like most of the doctrines; but the church is outright LYING, and that can never be overcome.
@@eclipse-sh1qmZ3mOtcua Hey I don't know if you got my reply 3 days ago or not because TH-cam had me on a commenting ban, but if you didn't, I thanked you for your comment it helps me feel a bit more connected to the world knowing there are others just like me, and I am not the only one. Your story is the same as mine and I saw first hand also the corruption with the prophet coming and praising corrupt mission leadership in the California Arcadia mission I was serving in, upon leaving Provo MTC while I was waiting for my visa to Japan to clear.. This killed my testimony and upon reaching Japan it led to a series of events that got me an interview with general authorities over the issue, As soon as the authorities realised they could not answer my concerns adequately or convince me that i must be under the influence of satan they went from warm and loving to seeing me as a threat, and they went cold and got up and walked out on me. The secretary at the front desk told me that The General authorities on walking out on me told her to tell me I had to find my own way back to where i was staying, as the church vehicle they picked me up in was only for those worthy enough for its use. I had no money, couldn't read Japanese and had to walk right across Tokyo city on foot which is massive city trying to find my apartment in the snow. I ended up on the first plane back to New Zealand after that they didn't want me contaminating the rest of the mission. I'm happy that i left the church. Anyways .... About ' If you called hie to Kolob ' if you didn't already know it's based on an old English tune called 'Kingsfold' and also 'Dives and Lazarus - Maddy prior ' is another name it gos by . if you search through some of the older English folk tunes ( I have branched off into Russian folk songs currently )you will come across some other little forgotten gems . These little finds are what I find spiritually uplift me these days. I wish you all the best with your future. The world is made better by good humans like yourself regardless of their religious affiliations. Ofa Atu to you and your family from me and the people of New Zealand.
Ok, but why does the Mormon Elohim story sound like Zeus from Greek mythology? I mean think about it: Zeus has multiple goddess-like wives and impregnates human women. Elohim has Heavenly Mother and other "divine wives" but also comes down to earth to impregnate Mary? I know there's probably no direct relation but the resemblance is uncanny.
Greek mythology: I I
Greek mythology if zeus kept
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Should have been called 'Moron-ism'.
"The crazy shit i believe in is true because it's what I was taught as a child. But the crazy shit others believe in are lies" Almost every human being
I've seen so much evidence that shows Christianity is legit. Look into it on your own and draw your own conclusions
@@enigma9971 I've studying Christian Mythology for many years.
THIS! I've studied comparative religions and find the Catholic church to be the craziest. All the "miracles", visions, self-abuse in the name of God, and countless centuries of justified killing. **shakes head** most faiths are full of WTF.
@@BookAndLace Indeed 🙏
That’s why i love that my parents raised us without religion and watched us form our own beliefs. My brother is a staunch atheist, I’m agnostic and my sister is Unitarian
Dude, I’m impressed. I used to be mormon and have come across so many videos like this that are full of mistakes that could be easily identified with a google search. You did a great job, as always.
@@robertashcraft2859
When the original of this video came out and when I was a missionary about 40 years ago, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints had approx. 5 to 6+ million members worldwide. It also had approx. 35,000 full-time missionaries. Today, in 2024, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has 17+ million members throughout the world and 100,000+ missionaries (Full-time, Senior (Older Adults), and Service). Approx half of the Church are people of color. In Fact, Africa is the fasting growing area of the Church today.
All that this type of films and other ANTI LDS propaganda have done is pique the interest of those that are truly seeking for truth. The humble and the sincere seekers of truth will wonder why (which many have done) is this The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints the most persecuted Christian Church by other Christian Churches today. Why are so many films, movies, plays, news reports, TH-cam channels, and other social media platforms portraying The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in a mostly negative way.
One has to think. Wait, I’ve worked or gone to school, or been associated with many active members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (aka Mormons). They (for the most part) were very nice, helpful, friendly, genuine people. They don’t drink (Alcohol), don’t smoke, don’t swear, etc. They are industrious, they work hard, they are (for the most part) happy people. They believe in Jesus Christ as their Savior. They believe in loving God and Jesus Christ by servicing others and striving to live their lives as a believer in Jesus Christ, keeping His commandments, serving others, and being doers of the word and not hearers only. Of course, in the Church there are a few (active) that do not live by what they are taught.
My family has been in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints for 7 generations (this includes my grandchildren) in Hawaii since the 1870s. The Church 1st sent missionaries to the Hawaiian Islands in 1850, 3 years after they went to Utah having to flee into Indian/Mexican territory due to so much persecution (slander, bigotry, tarred and feathered, rape, killing, driven out at gun point, etc.). Many of my ancestors were darker then some of the Blacks today. The Church grew quickly in the Polynesian Islands (Hawaii, Tahiti, Tonga, Samoa, Fiji, etc.).
@@robertashcraft2859
The internet and secularism have definitely ruined many Christian Churches (Catholic, Orthodox, Mainline Protestant Churches).
A new Gallup Poll came out yesterday that shows the overall religious service weekly attendance has gone down from 42% in the early 2000s to 30% today (2023).
The Catholic church has seen the largest decline at -12%, followed by the Orthodox at -9%. The Protestants have seen a decline of -4%. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has seen a decline of -1%.
Members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has the highest weekly attendance at 67%, followed by Protestants at 44%. Catholic weekly attendances stands at 33%.
Source: Gallup
WELLBEING
MARCH 25, 2024
Church Attendance Has Declined in Most U.S. Religious Groups
Three in 10 U.S. adults attend religious services regularly, led by Mormons at 67%
BY JEFFREY M. JONES
Other Surveys on LDS Show:
- "Are Latter-day Saint Marriages More Stable?" Times and Seasons, October 19, 2021
9% of Latter-day Saints identified as divorced.
Catholics (15%), Buddhists (16%), Evangelical Protestants (17%), Historically Black Protestants (30%), Jehovah’s Witnesses (15%), Jews (12%), Mainline Protestants (15%), Muslims (15%), Orthodox Christians (13%), and Unaffiliated (17%).
- Most Churches are Losing Members Fast - But Not the Mormons. Here’s Why.
In an era of declining faith, Mormon membership is holding steady.
Daniel A. Cox March 6, 2019
While the structure of the LDS Church, which relies on volunteer leadership at the local level, requires an active membership, there is an upside to the obligations of religious community. In an era marked by unprecedented religious decline, Mormons appear to be holding their own.
more than the rules, rituals, and rigorous theology, the success of the Mormon Church may have to do with their unrelenting focus on the family.
A 2015 Pew Research report shows that Mormons are more likely to be married and to have larger families than other Christians. Roughly two-thirds (66%) of Mormons are married, compared to only about half (52 percent) of Christians overall.
Mormons are more likely to marry within their faith than members of most other religious traditions: 82 percent of married Mormons report that their spouse is also Mormon. And Mormon families are large even compared to other Christian traditions, averaging 3.4 children compared to 2.2. children for all Christian households.
Among the 350 families he studied, no religious group was more effective in passing on their religious identity and beliefs to their children than Mormons.
- Survey: Latter-day Saints are everywhere in media, but Americans still know little about them
Published: Nov 5, 2022, 9:00 p.m. MDT
The quiz about church beliefs and practices included polygamy. Missing two or more answers was considered a failing score. Here is the quiz:
Members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Mormons) ...
Can live with more than one wife (false)
Can’t eat chocolate (false)
Can’t drink alcohol (true)
Can’t have blood transfusions (false)
Believe Christ is the Son of God (true)
The survey found that those who said they like Latter-day Saints scored three times higher on the quiz than those who said they disliked church members. Those with a college degree scored 78% higher than those without a college degree.
@@robertashcraft2859 the LDS church has taken a more aggressive tactics in an attempt to plausibly deny "uncomfortable accusations". The Mormon Stories Podcast has discusses some of these from time to time. It's really crazy.
@@melorca1962 Mormon stories Podcast is very Anti-Mormon. a lot of the information they give is a misleading, twisted version of the truth, much like this video.
The series Joseph's Myth is a nice dissection of the book of Mormon and history of the LDS.
I don’t know, but I think Scientology will definitely give Mormonism a run for its money
So does Nation of Islam.
No shit those people are nuts
Scientology is more of a dishonest grift and ponzu scheme.
It’s incredibly lazy.
@@BroadwayRonMexico They're absolutely nuts
Muhammad (police be upon him): You're just a cheap knockoff
Joseph Smith: No, I'm the upgrade
Joseph Smith got his ideas about starting a new religion after he heard Muhammad new religion and he said “ if Muhammad can start a new religion so can I “
So ideas like “ Books of Abraham “ and “ heavenly haram “ and more comes from Islamic teachings. 😮
Really, Source
No the fuck it does not, Islam does not teach anything like this
explains why he was obsessed with harems of women and getting visions from angels
@@celtofcanaanesurix2245
Humans are creatures of habits !
Needs and wants .
Simple .
Pleasure seeking ….
I've never read or heard that.
You know people in the Torah/Old Testament, which Christians believe is a holy text, also had many wives, and things like slavery and sex slavery that were specifically commanded and regulated by God.
"Magic Mormon Underwear" 🤣🤣🤣
Yes it’s true. When they pass away, they’re buried with these stupid garments.
They're called garments. Except to bathe, they are worn 24/7. Dad -never a devout Mormon -called them varmints and let then get torn and tattered -an ABSOLUTE NO_NO!!!!!
18:47 I lost the challenge im mormon now
South park told it better lol
Ex Mormon here. Thank you for exposing these frauds.
Celestial Sex? This religion is a little strange.
I'm mormon and have never heard of it
@@BerryBoyXDMaybe that was for a reason.
Sounds alot like PIgslam
Islam*
@@BerryBoyXD same
Exmo here. @19:30 Regarding "Castration". That doctrine is affectionately referred to as the TK smoothie. I.E. Telestial Kingdom (Bottom tier heaven), Smoothie (Barbie and Ken style genitalia). The Celestial Kingdom (Top tier Heaven) is for the polygamists and their servants (the monogamist Mormons) and uh... the Curse of Ham people who were also good Mormons.
Didn't one of the more modern prophets coin this term? TK Smoothie.
Haha I was searching the comments for another ex-mo to mention the TK Smoothie ~ Yep! Another lovely addition by one of our geriatric prophets
@@bendyrland7213I think the tk smoothie as a concept is fairly old, at least as old as the 70s or 80s. I think that recent mention you may have heard was ol' creationist heart surgeon Russel Nelson (aka skeletor or mr burns) sometime last year gave a talk "think celestial" where he alludes to "telestial bodies" as a unsavory outcome for the afterlife. The whole point of the talk was more "don't look outside, don't think how you want, think how we want. Don't worry about this life, give it to us in hopes of heaven" Truly horrifying stuff if you pay enough attention to the doublespeak.
@@fordan_gamsy3521 "Mr. Burns"
Yup… it’s true… if you don’t make it to the top kingdom, the celestial kingdom, you will not be allowed to procreate in the eternities and thus you lose your balls and get a nice tk smoothie. Here’s the quote from Joseph Fielding Smith
"In both of these kingdoms there will be changes in the bodies and limitations.
Some of the functions in the celestial body will not appear in the terrestrial body, neither in the telestial body, and the power of procreation will be removed.
I take it that men and women will, in these kingdoms, be...neither man nor woman, merely immortal beings having received the resurrection." -Doctrines of salvation, vol 2.
Elohim is plural for “Gods” - further proof that Joseph Smith had no clue about anything he tossed into his jambalaya of a “religion”
Much like most religious
@@kdaviper Can you form a coherent sentence? Most religions are ancient and the ancient terms and words they use, i.e. "Elohim" were used in their texts because that was the language of the day.... so it's hard for them to ignorantly use something like an old Hebrew word, i.e. the topic, and use it wrong because they didn't do their research on biblical Hebrew..
I usually criticize religion quite a bit, but that was some trash attempt to shit on it ngl
@@SStupendous I think he moreso means most religions are an incoherent mix of borrowed ideas
@@Skyfoogle that, and the ignorant goat-herding savages who created these myths had no clue what they were talking about.
@@Skyfoogle source: your bias
cults do such a good job of making the most fire lore and then not telling their followers about it
Former mormon here. I clicked on this video waiting to hear a lot of BS because this cartoon is full of twisted facts but I'm impressed with your research because you got almost everything right. i don't care to correct the few mistakes that you made, but the only thing I think is critical to correct is that they believe Jospeh Smith did more than any other men to the salvation of men EXCEPT Jesus, not including Jesus. And the other mistakes I don't think changes a lot on the overall view on the religion that you presented here. Good job!
Yes, it should say "except." The writer of this sentence was probably using Joseph Smith's famous boast he made in an 1844 Sunday Sermon:
“I have more to boast of than ever any man had. I am the only man that has ever been able to keep a whole church together since the days of Adam. A large majority of the whole have stood by me. Neither Paul, John, Peter, NOR JESUS ever did it. I boast that no man ever did such a work as I. The followers of Jesus ran away from Him, but the Latter-day Saints never ran away from me yet.”
(Proclaimed by Joseph Smith, Jr., History of the Church, Vol. 6, p. 408, 409
@@Decision_Justicethe irony of that statement: a few months after making it, Ol’ Joe was chased out of Kirtland, Ohio, by angry members after a banking scheme he cooked up went awry and they lost their shirts. The members then tried him, declared him a false prophet and excommunicated him. Now in Missouri, Joe retaliated and excommunicated them.
Not a Mormon or ex-Mormon here but I have DEEPLY studied their religion. To clarify one point, yes, the doctrine that you can't enter the priesthood if you're black has been rescinded, but the racist teaching behind that original teaching has not disappeared (descendants of Ham being black).
Also, from what I can tell they still believe that "less good" spirit children enter the world as black people. I know this because I saw this short from the channel Mormon Stories where someone recounts an African Mormon dad getting mad at a Mormon teacher for saying he was dark skinned because he was "less virtuous in the Pre-existence" (pre-existence being the time you're a spirit child before you come to earth with a physical body).
While it would not surprise me that there are still Mormon who believe past theories, Bruce R McConkie formally rejected his previous speculation back in 1978 during an address at BYU. They were disavowed again multiple times since, including in a manual for Seminary and Institute teachers in 2004 and in the Gospel Topic Essays in 2013.
Doing a search of past Mormon General Conferences and officially published manuals and handbooks does not find either of those common folk traditions. Mostly the belief can be traced by third party publications like the Journal of Discourses, Doctrines of Salvation, and Mormon Doctrine. The first was published by George Watts and originally printed by Lion Press, the last two were published by Bookcraft Press. Many people, including members, think those books were published by the LDS Church and are somehow reflective of official policies and doctrines.
Sorry Panda, they got to me a long time ago. Ever since the MC Hammer Mormon Jesus remix.
My favorite cute thing Joseph Smith did was translate all of his texts in KJV English using a lot of stuff we know was mistranslated now
Ex mormon here. This had me on the floor laughing. All things in video I've heard taught lol
Holy crap, you have? So much of this was entirely new to me. I was never even taught about Elohem!
Exmo here. You should be aware that this is from a movie called The God Makers, which was shown at many Christian churches in the late eighties, as a warning about how EEEEEEVIL the Mormons were. It did have enough of an impact that the Mormon Church went and changed the temple ceremonies in the 1990s to remove some of the more odious aspects of it - and are still changing to this day.
Be aware that the maker of this film, Ed Decker, is considered by many to be a charlatan - even exMormons have nothing good to say about him. He did a second movie, God Makers 2, in which he and the film makers made unfounded claims that the then President of the Church, Gordon Hinckley, was involved in gay drug orgies - for which they were sued by Hinckley.
If you want to have a great chuckle, check out the three part interview Decker did on the Mormon Stories podcast - the guy comes across all big I and little you, makes all sorts of suspect claims (he claims that the Church sent agents to poison his diet Coke! He denies that he committed adultery, despite what his first wife and a court of law proved. He claims that B'Nai Brith putting out a statement condemning his film as being hateful, was rigged, claiming that their board was actually packed with Mormons! Uh Huh.)
Oh yes Ed Decker. I remember the interview he did with Bob Larson back in the day. I confronted a pair of Mormons who came to door one day with what Decker and Larson were saying. I am so embarrassed by that.
Isn't the entire Mormon religion a charlatan religion though?
No man Ed Decker was right though. Notice how he also made a movie about the JWs and they still seem normal compared to your crazy people. The Mormon religion is nuts and disgusting.
Yeah as a member of the LDS church all this is bullshit.
Thank you for clearing light on this
Orson Scott Card has a box set of his fiction, great writer. I think he is LDS. They had education for their members.
My great grandfather many generations ago is Brigham young and yes he's a piece of poo. His nickname was the warlord of utah because he waged a war against the us government. the us government left him to be governor as long as he didn't go anywhere else. I'm very glad i wasn't raised in this faith, though the church has probably baptized myself and my daughter in it.
They won’t baptize you until after you die.
@@MichaelFowler-bu3fd I get the feeling they can't wait to do so. Honestly it would be the only way I would be in the LDS, relatives or not.
Regarding the castration thing: from what I can tell, that originated from Joseph Fielding Smith Jr (10th leader of the lds church, not to be confused with his father Joseph Fielding Smith Sr [6th leader] or his father's uncle Joseph Smith Jr [founder], or his father's cousin Joseph Smith III [founder of the second largest sect of mormonism which rivaled Brigham Young's], or his great grandfather Joseph Smith Sr, who I don't think ever lead any cults). He taught that those in the lower two kingdoms of heaven would have "the power of procreation [...] removed" and be "neither man nor woman".
This was vaguely hinted at by the current leader awhile back, and "T.K. smoothies" has been a bit of a meme in exmormon circles since.
Yes, from a book JFS Jr wrote nearly 30 years before becoming president of the LDS Church, and not repeated afterwards. I suppose some Mormons may agree with him, but that hardly makes it official doctrine.
Things I did not expect when clicking on a video about mormon lore:
- Heresy within 5 seconds of the episode shown
- God is an alien???????
- RACISM IS A PART OF MORMON LORE?????
- More HERESY????
- Native American and Palestine Mormon colonies???? (Also they talk about how the "dark skinned" Native American "isrealites" but then show them as just as light skinned as the lamanites they're fighting)
I want to know what Joseph Smith was on when he came up with this
Much of what the cartoon portrays can not be legitimately attributed to Joseph Smith. The cartoon is from a 1982 movie produced by Jeremiah Films to discredit the Mormon church. Jeremiah Films specializes in evangelical propaganda and conspiracy theories. As far as I can tell, Joseph Smith never talked about "endless celestial sex" or any kind of celestial sex; Blacks being cursed or less valiant in the pre-mortal existence; infinite goddess wives; owning planets; starbase kolob; or Lucifer and Jesus being brothers.
The visual representations are also the result of the film makers prejudices and not the Mormon church.
Hearing the phrase “ endless celestial sex” from a kids religious cartoon is pretty surreal. It’s said with such a matter- of- fact tone. WHY was it so important to use such an odd emphatic phrase ?
@@icu3869 Why do you think this was "a kids religious cartoon"?
The cartoon comes from an Evangelical propaganda film called "The Godmakers" from 1982 produced by Jeremiah Films. It was intended to spread intentional disinformation and misrepresentations of what most Mormons actually believe.
While some children may have seen it when it was released, the target audience was the adult members of the various Evangelical churches where it was shown. The movie never had a theatrical release, mostly being showed in the basements and parking lots of many churches.
"Heresy" against another mythology-based belief system is a bit ironic, don't you think? That's like saying Immortals Fenyx Rising is heresy against Greek mythology. What does it matter if it's just fan fiction of another fiction?
@@brettmajeske3525 - How is it disinformation and misrepresentation if it's textually accurate to what's in the books? Panda showed passages that backed up what the cartoon was saying. It's not propaganda and misrepresentation if it's true. You could try to argue, but I have a Book of Mormon of my own not 2m from me. Denial doesn't work when people have easy access to resources to fact check.
Regarding "being castrated", I think it is not an explicit teaching, but it is implicit; In the Doctrines and Covenants and several prophets teach that the members of the Church who were married in the Temple, and were faithful to the moral codes and covenants, will be sent after this life and the resurrection to the highest Kingdom, which is called the Heavenly Kingdom; they will be a marriage of gods and will have a celestial intercourse, to procreate spiritual children, who will be sent to a planet, to receive a phisical body.
The members who did not marry in the Temple (sealed), but by their faithfulness to Mormonism deserve the Celestial Kingdom, will be like angels, for not having married (here it can be interpreted as that they will be castrated or become asexual beings). They will not be able to be gods or procreate spirit children, but they will serve those who were exalted as gods in the Celestial Kingdom.
Those who were not faithful enough, will not be sent to the Celestial Kingdom, but to one of the other 2 kingdoms, depending on the life the person lived; in none of those other kingdoms will they be able to have spiritual children, and therefore intimate relationships. For them it can also be interpreted that they were castrated, or made asexual beings.
I've known one Mormon and a few ex-Mormons who referred to the implicit castration bit in the afterlife as getting the "TK Smoothie". "TK" being shorthand for "Telestial Kingdom" (what they believe is the lowest afterlife) and "smoothie" being Barbie/Ken doll anatomy.
8:15 that knock on the door and seeing the rizz in Elohim's eyes converted me to Mormonism. How do i get the special underwear?
8:50 HE MARRIED HIS MOTHER!?
There are multiple characters named Mary in the Gospel accounts, Mary the mother of Jesus, Mary the sister of Martha, Mary Magdeline, and the other Mary.
@@brettmajeske3525 Oh ok but I thought Mary the mom of Jesus and Mary the sister of Martha was the same person
@@Idunnohowabout7364 Why would you think that? Mary the mother of Jesus lived in Nazareth, while Mary and Martha lived with their brother Lazareth in Bethany.
@@brettmajeske3525 I remember hearing a story about Mary the mother of God having a sister named Martha and she gave birth to a boy which is Jesus’ cousin I probably got confused there since both pairs have the same name
@@Idunnohowabout7364 Not a story from the Gospels, since Mary of Jesus has no named siblings in any of them.
my reaction throughout the video 9:23
Yes!
JOSEPH SMITH WAS CALLED A PROPHET DUM DUM DUM DUM DUM
South Park 😂
South Park all day
It’s always so odd to me seeing people who were never Mormon experience Mormon doctrine from an outside perspective. I grew up very Mormon and currently can’t leave (I want to though)
What makes you want to leave?
@@OperaGhost-5 why wouldn't I want to leave?? I'm going to assume you are LDS. I HIGHLY recommend reading the CES letter. You'll probably see it as "anti", but genuinely, it brings up real points and questions about doctrine and church history that no real loving god would ever allow. The Mormon church is a church that tells its members to ask questions, but discourages real answers. Not to mention the very clear sexist and raciest teachings. Women are not equal to men in the Mormon church. God's real church would not belittle and discriminate against any of his children.
Not to mention that the LDS church is very anti LGBTQ+ and I cannot support an organization that instills guilt, shame and fears into its members for being who they are. It's like telling people that we let red heads into our church, but only if they dye their hair blond. It's discriminatory and gross.
The LDS church likes to perpetuate the idea that it gives you freedom from guilt and remission for you sins, but in reality it fosters those feeling in the first place. You should not have to feel guilty about who you love, who you are, or what you look like.
Not to mention that the Book of Mormon is provably false and a work of fiction made up by Joseph Smith. Genuinely, if you do even 10 minutes of research you can find PROOF that the BOM is not a literal work. That is more proof than we will ever have of it being true. I recommend looking into the origins of the book of Abraham in the pearl of great price and the actual literal translation of the original papyri (as was kind of mentioned in this video). That was not an inspired translation. And if Joseph Smith got it wrong that time whose to say he ever had it correct in the first place?
I hope this inspires some self discovery and deep reflection in you. Deconstruction of Mormonism is difficult but will ultimately be for you're benefit. I was once a true believer like you... I genuinely wish you well.
@@OperaGhost-5 why would I want to stay in a church that is founded on homophobic, sexist, racist doctrines? if you literally do more than 10 minutes of research (beyond just LDS sources) it is pretty easy to prove the Book of Mormon to be a work of fiction. Jospeh smith was a con man and even 200 years later he continues to fool millions of people. If you are actually interested in learning more about the lies that the Mormon church continues to perpetuate, I recommend you read the CES letter, or at the very least look into the origin of the book of Abraham. If it's easy to prove that one of Joseph smith's translations was false, how are we supposed to believe in any of his others?
I hope you get the opportunity to move away from these animals.
Currently can’t leave. That’s when you know it’s an cult
I remind all of you that Jesus said there was no marriage in heaven (Matthew 22:30), not anything about sex. We can all complain bitterly about this but this is fact. And do not accuse me of saying that there is sex in heaven. That is not what I said.
This man has a point 👀
Mormons interpret that verse differently
I’m a member and you are correct, there is no marriage in heaven in the sense you cant have the ceremony in heaven. If your marry on earth and are sealed to that person, then you are forever sealed to that person unless something happens where you choose to separate
Mormon theology is pure junk as far as I am concerned.
@@NathanKnight-kc7yj Why can't you have the Ceremony in Heaven?
Seems to me that if God wants us to be happy and we are in Heaven and fall in love with a dear person, we should be allowed to be married. Eternity is a long time, so why can't we have a Ceremony in Heaven?
help i got converted at 0:39 even before the challenge got explained 💀💀💀
What's the explanation for the Asian race? Angels who did mathematics?
Q: How do we know that Mormonism is crazy?
A: It is a religion.
Reddit moment
real
Type of people who get to go in the temple, Lori Vallow, Ruby Franke, Chad Daybell, and Jodi Hindibrant.
preach
"Joseph Smith, who was known for his tall tales..." Shaquille O'Neil type ahh tales for sho
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12:53 You don't say.
The thing with having kids used to be normal among all religions. They all wanted to grow and be larger than the others. It's only recently that Catholics started having smaller families. Look at Catholic families up until maybe the 70's or 80's, huge broods of children were very common.
That was because birth control other than monthly timing was not allowed. It was not to gain more people.
"if a sperm is wasted, god gets quite irate"
Finally. Waited for this one. Wish I had a joint for this.
"If you believe a 19th century man found some golden tablets then translated them into 17th century english then conveniently lost them. Your barking mad"!
Richard Dawkins
Never thought I would agree with Dr Dawkins on something, I don't even consider his Selfish Gene theory accurate since it requires genes to act in a way as though they have agency or at least imitates that with no real reason that is not better explained by ordinary biological, biochemical and mathematical factors. And just seems edgy honestly.
But I do rather agree with his assessment of Joseph Smith's account even if I would be more charitable about it.
As someone who is growing up in a Mormon household, I can tell you just based off the title, this isn’t a joke. Also I love this dude’s content so I’m fun a become a member once I can get a job. I hope he keeps up the great work.
6:36;
I fell out of my chair!
I fell out of MY CHAIR!
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Truly the most insane flavor of Christianity. Especially the idea that Jesus had children and his descendants are among us.
It s not christianity
Look i am not by any means a Perfect Christian but this is heresy like fr heresy
Definitely Not Christianity 💀☦️
@@Unknown_Fool They believe that Jesus Christ was real and the som of god, so they're Christians.
@@danielarejgar Christian Means "Follower of The Christ" Grammatically. So when you look at the Teachings of Jesus Christ and then Mormonism, it makes them non-Christian. They're like a cult more than anything. But I understand your view of this completely, just wanna inform another so I can see them in heaven
So… people wouldn’t want to have Celestial intimacy at the highest potential levels with his Queen or her (if a woman) King?
Such a wacky belief
9:53 Crazy to believe this even with the native americans having obviously distinct religions like wtf 💀
lol was just about to say that.
0:49 if Jesus is gonna look at me like that I'll become anything 🥵
Gyatt
4:22 I mormoned at this part
Former True Believer Mormon here. [Part ONE] I was raised in a believing Mormon home and we went to church, to every meeting, without fail. You have to attend regularly to all meetings, and do all the required readings to get the full indoctrination. Required reading includes: all the Mormon scriptures: Pearl of Great Price, Doctrine and Covenants, Book of Mormon, and the Bible. As a True Believer, you would also read the books by the Top church authorities, which tell you how to interpret the scriptures. And every teenager is encouraged to attend Seminary, which I did.
I'll add to what commenter "JunoSpeaks says," since I continued being firm in my belief through getting married in the Mormon Temple and having kids. Yes, I was 18 when I got married in the Mormon Temple.
There's one thing you need to keep in mind about Mormon Teachings. There is what is "Taught" and then there is what is BELIEVED. There's a difference between those 2. What is taught depends on what the current Prophet (President of the Church) wants to have taught. If things aren't being taught, it doesn't mean those beliefs aren't BELIEVED.
Right now the Mormon Church wants very much to be accepted as a normal Christian Denomination, so they're doing everything they can to eliminate use of the word "Mormon," except when referring to the Book of Mormon. You'll notice the True Believers by their presence online when they correct people online and tell them "the official name of the Church is 'The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints'." If they take the time to correct you online, then you can be assured you're speaking to a True Believer.
A True Believer will not tell you the truth about the Church's beliefs because they DO sound so crazy. The True Believer will generally use obfuscation, concealing, and pretending if you ask pointed questions about the TRUE beliefs. And right now, most of the True Beliefs are NOT BEING TAUGHT -- remember there's a difference between TRUE BELIEFS and between what is taught.
The teachings in the cartoon are correct; those ARE real the real BELIEFS, but they generally are NOT in regular meetings. You only learn those things by doing deep reading into the scripture books of "The Pearl of Great Price" and "Doctrine and Covenants" along with reading books by church authorities who expand on what those scriptures mean.
The racist teachings were taught from the beginning, but since 1981 the new scriptures have the words changed, so it doesn't sound so bad. You can get a copy of the 1920 Book of Mormon free online as a pdf, if you want to see what the original REALLY said. And I recommend downloading a FREE pdf copy of the 1878 edition of The Pearl of Great Price, if you want to get a True understanding of Mormon Doctrine.
The scripture book known as "The Doctrine and Covenants" you can find an accurate pdf of the 1880 edition FREE online. However, the actual book used today starts at page 76.
Again the Difference between what is "TAUGHT" and what is "BELIEVED." Polygamy is no longer "TAUGHT," but it certainly is BELIEVED. When a Mormon official is asked questions by the media they will usually respond "I don't know that we teach that." It's a carefully worded way of answering. For example, Young people in the church aren't TAUGHT polygamy anymore, but as they get older and do the devout studying they will learn that it is still BELIEVED, but just isn't practiced, and the Church forbids it's practice currently. If you want to read an enthralling book on what the practice of polygamy is really like, pick up the book "In Sacred Loneliness: the Plural Wives of Joseph Smith" by Todd Compton.
My family goes back a long ways in the Mormon Church, and they practiced polygamy. Nowadays, the reality of what it was like is whitewashed, and the True Believer, as they study, will get a false belief that it was somehow God's way, otherwise his One True Church would not have practiced it. My grandmother told me of her experience with her grandmother, who lived polygamy. It was very bad. In a normal monogamous marriage the spouses are meant to be each other's confidants -- your spouse is the one person you can confide everything in. It's not that way with polygamy. In polygamy the relationship becomes one of Master: Slave. The women are the slaves, the man is the master, and the women with their children, must compete for their Master's attention. It's not a spousal relationship. And the man never really gets a spouse he can confide in. Nobody does.
And the part in the cartoon about Elohim knocking on the door of Mary? Well, it IS a BELIEF of the Church that Mary was "made with child" by the same means as any other human being is born. Although it doesn't require knocking on a door. The Church *does not TEACH* that however, and it's representatives aren't going to answer that question if asked. You only learn that info by being extremely devout and reading all the deep books. In Mormon Doctrine the meaning of "Only Begotten Son" when referring to Jesus (John 3:16, KJV) means exactly that: "God's ONLY begotten son."
How does one know what is believed if no one actually teaches it? Is not unity of belief maintained by common teachings? If any group stops teaching what they actually believe, soon each subcommunity and subculture will develop their own version of those beliefs?
It seems like you do not believe that beliefs can evolve or change over time. Sociologists claim every religion, political party, or other ideological identity always changes over time. It is not like modern Protestants would recognize the religions of Martin Luther or John Calvin.
Thanks for posting this info. I’ve always wondered why Mormons denied all the crazy stuff whenever I asked and why they always seemed upset when being referred to ask Mormons.
I was convinced to be... I already made that joke once. They just failed to make me Mormon
The missionaries just give up with me after the first time we talk
The Mormons also believed that the black man was inferior and bore the mark of Cain. Blacks were also not allowed in the priesthood for a long time. These beliefs were enforced and taught until the early 80s or so. So what happened to those beliefs? I guess all of a sudden their prophet told them that what their founder taught and said was the word of God was suddenly no longer true?
They did the same thing with polygamy: it was religious doctrine until it becomes politically inconvenient then it’s suddenly no longer gods will
Good, I ain't fighting for the job!
So Mormons are prejudice no wonder Mitt Romney treated black people crazy especially Obama who's half white.
The good thing about all that racism is that it has saved black people a lot of tithing money. And there are a lot of angry exmos on TH-cam nowadays who are angry about all the gaslighting and outright lies from the church. Black folks were saved from all that as well
Great video! Southpark made a really funny cartoon about Mormons. You should do it next.
Joseph Smith read from gold tablets, dumb dumb dumb.
And don't forget the musical "The Book of Mormon"! 😄 I saw it myself when they performed in Zurich and it is hilarious incl. great songs!
Dum dum dum dum dummmm