MORPHS! Upgrading Commander 2019 | Kadena Deck Tech
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"I know Heroic Intervention is getting up there in price, but have you thought about Blightsteel Colossus?"
Unless you have plenty of protection to give it, don't. I've seen many commander players tap out to play Blightsteel Colossus, and I inwardly think, "BAD MOVE!!", because it will almost always get removed before it can do anything. That's also the main reason why I think that card sucks!
My friend runs it in his Selvala deck. It's not normally a game- ending play, but he loves the threat of it. Plus, it's great against other big creatures due to the -1/-1 counters it puts on them.
Golgari charm and simic charm are nice.
And whisperwood elemental is a “sort of” boardwipe insurance.
Important to note, ugin does not make a manifest. He creates 2/2 token with text that simply instructs you to put the card in your hand. The 2/2 doesn’t count as a face down creature
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DJ, I love your videos! You’ve even inspired me to make my own commander based channel. All your videos have been amazing, enjoyable, and usually super helpful. Keep up the great work!
How constructive and insightful!
@@bradcallahan3546 Which guy?
Yes!! I’ve been so excited to see this one!!
I'm super pumped for your take on volrath.
I'm so excited to have people play around my Willbender only to later realize it was a Scornful Egotist :D
You sir are a gentleman and a scholar, one internet point to you.
what is that card?!?!? Does it combo? lol I dont get it.
@@raymhuang reading the card explains the card.
@@raymhuang CMC matters was a theme in onslaught block so scornful egotist was meant to combo with cards like erratic explosion.
Mystic snake is one of my fave and most played cards in commander!
I think Kadena as a commander is EXTREMELY underrated.
My gameplan for her is to use reduced card cost+ flash enablers (Vedalken orrery, leyline etc). Casting a free morph on every opponents turn. Throw in seedborn muse (and similar cards) to go absolutely wild.
All this while, while drawing cards.
Protect your board with all the blue low cost counter morphs (there's like 5-6 of them.)
Throw in the cloud curio and/or words of wind, and constantly counter+ replay your morphs facedown.
Locks like the pickle lock (vesuvian shapeshifter+ brine elemental) will pretty much lock the game.
Add some graveyard returns (like elixr of immortality type cards, idk) to refill your deck if you need it.
Finally, throw in some sneaky wincons. Blight steel Colossus, phage etc. Use scroll of fate or something similar to put em there and then flip em up.
For those who like this deck, the mana base is seriously jacked up. So is it's ramp package. I've left the deck as it is, except when it comes to mana. As it does not need 37 lands, with a properly constructed fast mana base, I've added 4 ramp artifacts that should be in here. Credit to Jumbo Commander on the initial upgrade of the C19 Sultai deck. tappedout.net/mtg-decks/mighty-morphin-sultai-2/?cb=1565830384
Thanks man
Can't wait too see the video of volrath, the shapestealer. He was my choice of commander out of the pre-con. He seems like a great commander for a infect style commander.
My morph commander of choice would still be Animar, due to the possibility of many morphs for free.
But Kadena's draw ability seems interesting in a manifest oriented deck... I'll try to build it.
For people who want to try a go tall rather than go wide there's Sagu Mauler, Krosan Cloudscraper, and Krosan Colossus. Just pack a way to give them evasion or trample. And a few flicker/blink effects.
While I see the point made early on about mana cost, that instant speed interaction really gives an edge for wincons that can be enabled at instant speed. I had an ainok survivalist face down while a 4colour omnath had a retreat to coralhelm scute swarm combo on board (would keep flickering a land). The moment he started the combo I responded by destroying retreat to coralhelm and immediately stopped the combo.
4:25. Of course you can DJ. Laboratory Maniac is a thing! XD
I got another redo morph trigger synergy creature
It’s called weaver of lies it’s said you can turn any number of other of face-up creatures face-down with morph when he’s turned face up
Grim Haruspex seems better than Midnight Reaper. It doesn't do 1 damage when you draw a card (and it has better art!).
It's already in the precon
@@lars2225 Well, yes, but they were saying to replace it with Midnight Reaper.
It is better if you disregard morph. I think he meant that if you cast grim as a morph it is worse than hard casting it or playing midnight reaper.
@@moxavenger In this deck you wont because you gain alot with the commander. Yes Grim Haruspex is worse but with the commander you playing a 2/2 for nothing and get card draw. The next thing is that you can play morphs face up everytime you want. That means you have more flexibility with activating abilities. I only watched the first 7 min for now but i think he will present some cards that resets your mana and that gives you the ability to cast creatures as they have flash. So for each opponent you can play a 2/2 face down that gives you card draw and the opportunity to cast a morph if you didnt spent your mana.
Please please please make a Ghired C19 upgrade and what to remove on the precon. What to add and what alternative budget card that can be added.
Thanks Jumbo Commander. Love your videos. Liked.
I'd argue that Den Protector is better than eternal witness, even if the cost is higher. Never underestimate the power of instant speed graveyard grabbing.
Ugin does NOT manifest cards, and he does NOT trigger Kadena, he exiles them face down and creates 2/2 Spirit tokens. That being said his cost reduction is wonderful for the deck.
You touched on how important Kadena was, but you never talked about redundancy for her! Zendikar Resurgent, Beast Whisperer, and sort of cards like Garruk's Packleader or Vizier of the Menagerie all let you draw by casting creatures ( the latter two the "draw" is casting from your library).
Mystic Forge is a good option, because you can cast artifacts as well as morphs, or Ugin I suppose!
Redundancy on her cost reduction brings us cards like Ugin, Heartless Summoning, and maybe Dream Chisel?
I think Kadena is super interesting, and with the right cards can create a pretty ridiculous engine for non-cEDH play, and the levels of redundancy you can pack in the deck with multiple draw outlets, cost reducers, flash enablers, etc, is awesome!
The deck looks pretty good from the box. Other than Grismold that is
You also forgot cost reducers like heartless summoning and semblace anvil. Make morph get ridiculous
What do you think? I have one slot for 2 cards. Wilderness Reclimation (don't own, but cheap enough to obtain) or Awakening (own it, not in use, but not sure if giving opponents extra mana for instants is too big of a down side for being able to untap on every turn).
15:40 Unfortunately, Ugin doesn't create manifests. He exiles the card and then creates a colorless 2/2. Still good card advantage, but you won't draw cards from Kadena.
Morphing down a guy is colorless, correct?
@@justryangeorge Ugin's effect exiles the top card while creating a token, it never truly morph or manifest a face down creature, so Kadena cannot draw card via Ugin.
@@justryangeorge Yeah, Ugin is still worth it because your morphs will cost 1, and his abilities are just good value even without synergies.
I think the cost reduction is the most synergistic part but ugin is a good value card also. Even if he doesn’t make face down creatures.
@@jakeapplegate6642 Don't forget about it's -3 which often reads "Destroy target Commander"
The unmentioned benefit to Morph is that Morph creatures can be control spells with the creature keyword. If you stack the deck with stuff like Bane of the Living, and Voidmage Prodigy, it means you can use things like Phyrexian Reclaimation and Commune with Nature for effectively control spells.
The vesuvan shapeshifter only works once per table rotation with brine elemental because it only goes face down on your turn.
it only needs to work once a rotation
Grinning demon would be alright for this deck.
If you manage to get Pathbreaker Ibex facedown, you have to flip it face up before you declare it as an attacker, right? Morphing after will cause it's ability to not trigger?
Honestly, I just want Volrath and Sudden Substitution for my clone/steal deck.
Chris yup. I built it. And I love it. But I also want to make this deck cause it’s a relatively cheap and fun deck to build
Is Rayami limited to only those keywords? Or can it get Infect, Exalted, Mentor, Extort, etc?
Just the ones listed
I'm going to use Phage and Blightsteel Colossus in this deck. Manifest them, hit an opponent and the unmorph them with Ixidor! Dead!
MrRayRockstar sounds like a fun idea.
@@DemonOfMyMind but as soon as my playgroup hates it, I'm taking them out.
Just to clarify, i cant unmorph phage/blightsteel based on their mana cost right?
@@TMGTCG yeah you can.
@@MrRayRockstar oo..these creatures dont have morph cost printed in the card though..thats y i confused 🤔
Hey jumbo you forgot the artifact that makes face down creature's cost less from odyssy
Dream Chisel
There's definitely an Aphetto Runecaster missing.
Or possibly Riptide Survivor.
How would prime speaker zannifar work in a morph deck like this? Can I sac a premorph for the creatures converted mana cost or would it be for the 3 morph cost plus 1?
A face down creature has no mana cost, its cmc is essentially zero. Think the same way as you would for tokens. Source: Rule 707 and Rule 702.36a
worth noting that the creatures like pathbreaker ibex need to be flipped before declared as attackers
And for anybody that reads this and doesn't know, flipping doesn't cause a creature to leave the battlefield, so it won't give a creature summoning sickness!
I don’t need to wait for ixidor I got him when I built a animar deck a couple of years ago
I was given an ixidor morph deck last Christmas as a part of a secret santa gift exchange. The guy bought a foil ixidor at the time it was like a dollar. :D I didnt cheap out on his at least, built sram equipment and bought a promo stoneforge mystic for it.
I’m running this deck currently and adding to it but morphing is hard for my little brain
I’m kinda new to magic and all of the mechanics and interactions, but could Volrath become a copy of a creature with a blood counter on it in exile?
No. He can only copy creatures that exist on the battlefield
Rayami gets so much hate, but historically incidental graveyard hate is very strong, could go just as a good stuff at that point and have a SOLID deck. Just look at anafenza, trading in white for black is great
What if you normal draw into Phage the untouchable? You're stuck with her in your hand after that?
Scroll of Fate
skipt to 5:00 folks
Just wondering if flipping face up effects of morphs allow Yarok to trigger on them to double it? If so then Yarok could be a strong option in the 99 with Kadena as Commander. Makes more sense than Rayami tbh.
No, they don't. They're already on the battlefield.
Can someone explain the phage the untouchable angle? Having it enter face down circumvents the first text on it?
It dose not circumvent the effect
You can't play phage the untouchable as a morph creature but you can manifest it. When its manifested then it *does* circumvent the first text because you "put" phage the untouchable onto the battlefield as a "2/2 face down creature card with no text". Which means; until you pay the cards mana cost or reduced cost using Ixidor, Reality Sculptor to flip it over, there is no text and thus no enter the battlefield triggers to worry about.
Source - Rule
701.33a: To manifest a card, turn it face down. It becomes a 2/2 face-down creature card with no text, no name, no subtypes, and no mana cost. Put that card onto the battlefield face down
Tech Sway And then flipping the manifest does not count as phage entering the battlefield so it doesn't care that if wasn't cast from the hand
Does Kadena have a lower ceiling than the other decks face commander?
I'd say so, but not by much.
I'm much more excited for Volrath the Shapestealer. this guy just begs to play Infect, you play some unblockable creatures, turn Volrath ino them and before damage, turn him into an infect creature and you hit for 7 infect (or 10 if you pump him). Or you know, just turn him into blighted agent right away which has evasion and infect.
Can someone explain why exiling the manifested 2/2 creature allows me to play the face down creature card without paying for its mana cost ?
Exiling in general does not, however cards that exile and then return, like Teferi's Time Twist or Ghostly Flicker, will exile the face down creature, but when they return it to the battlefield it will be in its "base state", as a face up object.
Is it bad that I'm more excited to build a deck around the Golgari legendary included in the deck, Grismold? I've already got a really interesting brew around him.
Grismold certainly has a more unique strategy and a less linear build than what Kadena offers
I want Grismold in my Thantis Politokens deck, where politics and tokens meet.
@@crovax1375 I plan on making it with a handful of cards that either specifically nerf tokens (Illness in the Ranks: All token creatures get -1/-1) or Engineered Plague naming Plants, to have all the tokens that enter the field die on the spot, instantly growing Grismold into a big beefy monster. Then just slap on some hexproof/indestructible and unblockable cards on him and win with commander damage. Definitely including other, synergistic ways to win as well. The new Gift of Doom morph aura will be really good with this deck.
@@PhoenixXZY you might also want to consider Poisonbelly Ogre, Rank and File, and Night of Soul's Betrayal
@@crovax1375 Ooh thats another spin I can take, draining opponents for getting creatures. Right now I'm playing Heartless Summoning over Night of Betrayel, mostly because I don't want to kill ALL of my 1 toughness creatures. I want cards that have a restriction to tokens dying mostly.
Why not replace Farseek with Nissa Vastwood Seer? Similar effect, more versatile card.
I think farseek is better. Farseek helps us get out our commander on turn 3 and lets us search for a non basic. In a 3 color deck searching for a dual land for mana fixing is amazing.
would have been nice to mention that morph doesn't use the stack
And mention that it can be used when a Spit Second spell is on the stack. Flipping a Willbender in response to a Krosan Grip never gets old.
@snakeman830 1000 IQ play when that happens lol
mmm how about master biomancer just to get your 2/2s in 4/4s?
I put it in mine and its nuts especially when you copy him with volrath I was making 10/10s for free
@@lowelo8319 yes is special with volrath
Love Rayami as a card, hate the art. Maybe I'll get one altered.
I didnt know other joe from angry joe show played magic.
where is Unblinking Bleb -_-
Show US how your dechbuilding theory holds up on MTGO!
How would you build volrath I am building him infect
I really don't like Kadena, because she's a very linear commander. I doubt that any of her deck builds vary by very much
Her strategy is unique though. I like her
@@YourPalRowan she is certainly unique in the ability she supports. It's just that I doubt that their is going to be much variance between different decks
I mean, she's obviously a morph/manifest commander. There's not much else to it. The other commanders are also pretty linear but we all have our cup of tea.
of all the deck upgrade videos ive seen why is NO ONE mentioning conjurers closet???
Why would you want it in this deck?
I mean it works well with manifest but that's about it. It's just not really what you want in the deck tbh. You'd rather have instant speed blink to protect your board from targeted removal.
1vs 1 commander ???
16:35 I thought the illusionary mask created 2/2 tokens, as in the oracle text in scryfall and gatherer
edit: Passive aggressive asshole in the comments edited to add "maybe you should have peeked at gatherer"... I was just referring to the incorrect text in the card in the video.
LegendaryMotorist gatherer says the mask lets you cast creatures face down. Nothing about tokens in the oracle text. Maybe you should have peeked at gatherer before commenting.
@@jakeapplegate6642 right, face down cards aren't tokens. Still, they are 2/2.
LegendaryMotorist all face down cards on the battlefield are 2/2 nontoken creatures.
@@jakeapplegate6642 I didn't know that. Thanks.
Ugin isn't manifest
Wow the TH-cam comments actually working on time huh
Phage won't work.. you'll lose the game.. iirc, the rules states turning a morphed creature phase up is not equivalent to you casting it..
Of the 4 shitty commanders that are coming, this is the shittiest. Not even the magic of this channel can save it, for you cannot turn shit into a pie.
Ugin does not manifest you goon. 2/10.
I like almost every deck you make. I'm a big fan of the channel, so don't take it personally when I say; this deck is ass. Objectively not good, poor synergies and multiple dead cards.