Oh maaaaaaaan. I’ve been wanting to tweak this deck for a while, love these suggestions! One of my favorite interactions since we’re running Yedora, slotting in Proteus Machine can go infinite with a sac outlet (namely altar of Dementia).
Nice! Yedora is definitely a strong card, which is why I made a deck just for it. However, I didn't want to lean too heavily into winning via combo. That being said, amazing suggestion! Let me know if you manage to pull it off! :P
Great video and thank you for the deck list! Have you made any changes since Jump Scare came out? If so would you happen to have an updated deck list?? Thanks ahead of time
Thanks! Glad you liked it! 100%!! Duskmourn brought *a ton* of goodies to my Kadena deck. Here's the list for the deck I own in real life. This is the most up-to-date version of Kadena that I have. Hope it helps! www.moxfield.com/decks/qQUTPkJlf0KqOzjB0F4vNg
I have been looking to update my Kadena list, haven’t played her in awhile. Took my Kadena playmat to the MKM draft I went to a couple of weeks ago in honour of ward morph
Yeah, I was always on the fence on whether to build Kadena or not but between all of the new cards printed recently (Commander Masters, Doctor Who, and MKM), it really made the deck much more solid.
Loved this video dude didnt think of illusionary mask or Volo! some thoughts on forsaken monument are talismans and paradoxical outcome for some sweet value. your not getting into 7 lands for the shrine of the forsaken gods. But i do recommend the pain lands, filter lands and tainted lands for late game sol lands that can power out facedown creatures and gain some life.
Liberator urzabattlethopter and skittering cicada really add to the paradoxical outcome fast artifact mana plan. Seedborn plus cryptic coat are slamdunks if you dont mind being that guy ofcourse 😁
Zimone 100% went into my Kadena deck. It gets absolutely insane with Yedora. I lost my absolute mind when I saw Zimone previewed precisely because of it. That interaction is busted as hell.
Yedora works with morph, megamorph, and disguise because those abilities are on face-down creatures. Here, taken straight from Gatherer, WotC's official card database: gatherer.wizards.com/pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=518466#:~:text=If%20the%20face%2Ddown%20card,to%20turn%20it%20face%20up.&text=If%20one%20of%20these%20Forests,%2C%20abilities%2C%20and%20so%20on.
Activating a morph cost is a "special action". The 11 different special actions do not use the stack and each has its own set of unique rules support. Each individual morph creature is a 2/2 with no abilities. Removing the abilities of a creature with no abilities doesn't do anything.
@@TheCommanderTavern Really cool video; Learned a few neat tricks (namely illusionary mask); But, have to disagree here; Vesuvian lets you get the morph pay off of any face up card (or) just be the best creature on the board for 2 mana! I can definitely see brine elemental not being for everyone tho! Also, some really cool deck tech with Kadena is split second; If you play a split second card, people can't interact with your morphs so, I find sudden sub and legolasas's quick reflexes work really great! Overall, really great video tho, i learned a few cool interactions! Would love to face off against your Kadena sometime!
@@harshagurram8301 Thank you so much! I'm so glad you found it helpful! Ooh! I like the reasoning on split second. That's definitely something to consider. I also hope we can get a game in some time! Kadena is my latest deck so I'd love even more opportunities to play it 💪
I have both in my Kadena deck, but I told my table that I refuse to abuse it unless it will win me the game within 1-2 turns. Just makes the game less fun honestly
I highly doubt this list functions reliably. Not enough ramp. Not enough card draw. Not enough morphs. Tons of convoluted extras and morph pay offs in a deck that again doesn't have morphs. The strongest thing Kadena does is cast a free morph per turn. Only running one card in the entire deck to take advantage of this your opponents turns is a mistake. There is no way that you have any mana to pay morph costs when you have no ramp and when you have this many sorcery speed spells that you are paying for on your turn to attempt to build a board state. I'm questioning if you actually have this deck in paper or if you just ripped cards from EDHrec to make a video.
I literally play this deck in real life (link at end of comment to my actual deck with the actual cards) and have won multiple times with it. I made this video precisely because I have the deck. Granted, I mostly update all my decks with new sets so the deck does have a couple of cards different than the video, for obvious reasons. You don't need every single card printed with morph just because it's a morph deck. Most morph effects are trash, with the best ones being interaction. There're multiple ways of playing face-down creatures without it being via morph, megamorph, or disguise. You can also manifest or have them enter face-down via other methods. www.moxfield.com/decks/qQUTPkJlf0KqOzjB0F4vNg
You don't have to do anything in commander. But the point of a guide channel is to point people towards making good decisions and make functional decks. 17 morphs is way too few unless you're playing a bunch of tutor effects and powerful draw engines that don't revolve around having morphs. You have zero tutors and you aren't playing Rhystic Study, Sylvan Library, or the One Ring (which is fine, I respect decisions to not play these cards, that isn't the point). Your deck lacks win conditions only having printlifter and a beastmaster's ascension. The deck has multiple payoffs for turning things face up, but 49 of the cards in your deck do not get discounted by your commander, so the majority of your mana is going into playing those cards, not turning thing face up. You especially can't afford to turn things up because you are light on ramp and the morphs that you do have in the deck cost on average 4 mana to turn face up. Additionally, you've got a ton of cloak and manifest support in the deck, but only 28 creatures and only 3 non-creatures with a morph cost. Two thirds of the manifests and cloaks are just 2/2 creatures that you can't do anything with even if you did have mana. So you're only real win condition is the beastmaster's ascension.
I agree, having win-cons is crucial in this deck. I run beastmaster, Hoof, the infect trample card, and a few ways to mass bounce on morph entry to clear the entire board.
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Been waiting to update my kadena deck. This is perfect
Thanks! Glad it was helpful!
Oh maaaaaaaan. I’ve been wanting to tweak this deck for a while, love these suggestions! One of my favorite interactions since we’re running Yedora, slotting in Proteus Machine can go infinite with a sac outlet (namely altar of Dementia).
Nice! Yedora is definitely a strong card, which is why I made a deck just for it. However, I didn't want to lean too heavily into winning via combo. That being said, amazing suggestion! Let me know if you manage to pull it off! :P
Great video and thank you for the deck list! Have you made any changes since Jump Scare came out? If so would you happen to have an updated deck list?? Thanks ahead of time
Thanks! Glad you liked it!
100%!! Duskmourn brought *a ton* of goodies to my Kadena deck. Here's the list for the deck I own in real life. This is the most up-to-date version of Kadena that I have. Hope it helps!
www.moxfield.com/decks/qQUTPkJlf0KqOzjB0F4vNg
I have been looking to update my Kadena list, haven’t played her in awhile. Took my Kadena playmat to the MKM draft I went to a couple of weeks ago in honour of ward morph
Yeah, I was always on the fence on whether to build Kadena or not but between all of the new cards printed recently (Commander Masters, Doctor Who, and MKM), it really made the deck much more solid.
Loved this video dude didnt think of illusionary mask or Volo! some thoughts on forsaken monument are talismans and paradoxical outcome for some sweet value. your not getting into 7 lands for the shrine of the forsaken gods.
But i do recommend the pain lands, filter lands and tainted lands for late game sol lands that can power out facedown creatures and gain some life.
Liberator urzabattlethopter and skittering cicada really add to the paradoxical outcome fast artifact mana plan. Seedborn plus cryptic coat are slamdunks if you dont mind being that guy ofcourse 😁
Thanks! Glad you enjoyed my spicy mask and Volo ideas :P
Yeah, I wanted the deck to be resilient but not too mean, so I did steer clear of some strategies XD
Liberator is also a great way to cast those Morphs at instant speed ^.^ They're colorless after all
Very true! It's a shame that it's not put onto the battlefield for free if it starts in your opening hand.
I need a video combining zimone and kadena
Zimone 100% went into my Kadena deck. It gets absolutely insane with Yedora. I lost my absolute mind when I saw Zimone previewed precisely because of it. That interaction is busted as hell.
A well made kadeena deck has crazy draw economy
100%
nice!
Isnt morph an ability making it so that yedora grave Gardener removal of abilities impossible to morph a card face up?
Yedora works with morph, megamorph, and disguise because those abilities are on face-down creatures. Here, taken straight from Gatherer, WotC's official card database:
gatherer.wizards.com/pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=518466#:~:text=If%20the%20face%2Ddown%20card,to%20turn%20it%20face%20up.&text=If%20one%20of%20these%20Forests,%2C%20abilities%2C%20and%20so%20on.
Activating a morph cost is a "special action". The 11 different special actions do not use the stack and each has its own set of unique rules support. Each individual morph creature is a 2/2 with no abilities. Removing the abilities of a creature with no abilities doesn't do anything.
Brine elemental and vesuvan shapeshifter
They're not as good as they seem. Those slots were better suited for more impactful cards.
@@TheCommanderTavern Really cool video; Learned a few neat tricks (namely illusionary mask); But, have to disagree here; Vesuvian lets you get the morph pay off of any face up card (or) just be the best creature on the board for 2 mana! I can definitely see brine elemental not being for everyone tho! Also, some really cool deck tech with Kadena is split second;
If you play a split second card, people can't interact with your morphs so, I find sudden sub and legolasas's quick reflexes work really great! Overall, really great video tho, i learned a few cool interactions! Would love to face off against your Kadena sometime!
@@harshagurram8301 Thank you so much! I'm so glad you found it helpful!
Ooh! I like the reasoning on split second. That's definitely something to consider.
I also hope we can get a game in some time! Kadena is my latest deck so I'd love even more opportunities to play it 💪
I have both in my Kadena deck, but I told my table that I refuse to abuse it unless it will win me the game within 1-2 turns. Just makes the game less fun honestly
Brine elemental and vsuvan shapeshifter are two of the best morphs. The two in combination is one of morph's few reliable win conditions.
I highly doubt this list functions reliably. Not enough ramp. Not enough card draw. Not enough morphs. Tons of convoluted extras and morph pay offs in a deck that again doesn't have morphs. The strongest thing Kadena does is cast a free morph per turn. Only running one card in the entire deck to take advantage of this your opponents turns is a mistake. There is no way that you have any mana to pay morph costs when you have no ramp and when you have this many sorcery speed spells that you are paying for on your turn to attempt to build a board state. I'm questioning if you actually have this deck in paper or if you just ripped cards from EDHrec to make a video.
I literally play this deck in real life (link at end of comment to my actual deck with the actual cards) and have won multiple times with it. I made this video precisely because I have the deck. Granted, I mostly update all my decks with new sets so the deck does have a couple of cards different than the video, for obvious reasons.
You don't need every single card printed with morph just because it's a morph deck. Most morph effects are trash, with the best ones being interaction. There're multiple ways of playing face-down creatures without it being via morph, megamorph, or disguise. You can also manifest or have them enter face-down via other methods.
www.moxfield.com/decks/qQUTPkJlf0KqOzjB0F4vNg
You don't have to do anything in commander. But the point of a guide channel is to point people towards making good decisions and make functional decks. 17 morphs is way too few unless you're playing a bunch of tutor effects and powerful draw engines that don't revolve around having morphs. You have zero tutors and you aren't playing Rhystic Study, Sylvan Library, or the One Ring (which is fine, I respect decisions to not play these cards, that isn't the point). Your deck lacks win conditions only having printlifter and a beastmaster's ascension. The deck has multiple payoffs for turning things face up, but 49 of the cards in your deck do not get discounted by your commander, so the majority of your mana is going into playing those cards, not turning thing face up. You especially can't afford to turn things up because you are light on ramp and the morphs that you do have in the deck cost on average 4 mana to turn face up. Additionally, you've got a ton of cloak and manifest support in the deck, but only 28 creatures and only 3 non-creatures with a morph cost. Two thirds of the manifests and cloaks are just 2/2 creatures that you can't do anything with even if you did have mana. So you're only real win condition is the beastmaster's ascension.
I agree, having win-cons is crucial in this deck. I run beastmaster, Hoof, the infect trample card, and a few ways to mass bounce on morph entry to clear the entire board.