I am a bit old school, still use a map and write a prompt sheet to go in my tank bag, but I looked at buying a conventional bike sat nav, they are very expensive and too large, and would intrude on my machine, plus they get nicked, same reason I dont want a phone on view, but the beeline is perfect for me, its small and can be fitted unobtrusively by the speedo, when touring Europe, its nice at the end of the day not to have to keep looking down at my written prompts, and you really only need the arrows to guide you , the addition of the small road section really made up my mind, great review, and evn an oldie like me could understand how it works
The original Beeline frustrated me as i often missed junctions. Took the plunge and signed up for the audio service connected to my Bluetooth helmet and this is a game changer. No more missed turns - works great. Now waiting for the Moto II. I often plan routes using calimoto on my pc and then upload GPX file to the Beeline - the combination works really well for me - especially with audio
Yes, the original is brilliant for the motorway navigation but could be confusing in towns. Just about to buy the Moto 2 which looks like it has significant improvements. The Moto 1 is still a useful bit of kit tho
it's a shame audio navigation is locked behind a subscription. I'm completely fine with some features being behind a paywall, but audio navigation is like one of the most basic features offered by every other navigation solution for free.
It’s odd how opinions differ - I specifically chose the Beeline after trying audio navigation from my phone and finding it hugely distracting. I liked the minimalistic approach. As I say, each to their own.
How's your experience with the moto 2? My old moto drained 10% after driving 3 days for 8 hours. My new one drained to 18% after the first 5 hours of driving (fully charged before). And I can't see the new screen if the sun is reflecting on it. Also the LED and audio notifications are way to weak to see in daylight and hear over the motorcycle/wind noise. Pretty disappointed honestly. The map view is awesome though, no discussion.
I bought my Beeline Moto II this week, and did 117 miles with it today, town and country. Very easy to use. Very clear to read: even though I normally need reading glasses, I can read the Beeline screen without them. Today, it found me a most excellent back lanes route that I would never have thought of, even though I was in an area I know well. Only slight disappointment: I have not found a way to get the app on my PC so I can plan routes on a bigger screen than my phone. All round: an excellent piece of kit.
I've had a Moto for a couple of years, it's been super handy. Most of my rides are on roads I know, there are sometimes when I need the help of a device and it has served my well for those. I have ordered a Moto II, it seemed like a good enough step up.
Great review! I bought the v1 some years ago and absolutely love it. Use it all the time if going somewhere new or unfamiliar. Never worry about missing a turn as a) it will reroute you and b) that’s all part of the adventure! The v2 looks even better - and at a great price. Seriously tempted!!
I just ordered one after watching your review. I like the speed limit option and it is actualy what I need. Small,simple to use and with basic info it will fit well on my California 1400 handlebar.
Great review. I love my Gen 1 version (especially the ridiculously long battery life (20 hours in and still at 66%). I may have to upgrade to this at some point, but I am still loving the original.
Question: with the Gen 1 Moto device, when you come to an interjection with several lanes towards the right direction, does it show you which lane to take and how? I know it shows the exit in roundabout, but what about multiple lanes? Thanks a lot
Beeline has partnered with both Triumph and a small company in Indiana called Janus to add a branded choice to the model line. I have one on my Scrambler 400X and really like it. I sold a Zumo XT since it just seemed out of place on the 400. I feel that this is a really good piece of kit.
Great video. I complained about the treatment of waypoints, especially when you cannot get a mobile connection to adjust your route in the App. I suggested they differentiate between Waypoints and Stops. Waypoints can be bypassed, stops can’t unless deleted with a simple in app option (not needing a mobile connection). Stephen
Great Review Tony, I've had the V1 for a while and found it good except for complex junctions or for a turn very soon after an initial turn. Just upgraded to the V2 and much prefer it. Screen size and brightness is also much improved.
Super informative video Tony - thanks for that - as a fan of the original device I look forward to upgrading to this version soon! All the best and will I be seeing you at the ABR festival??
The option to skip a waypoint via the device itself for app-planned routes is good, but I would prefer it if they facilitated auto-route to work with imported GPX routes, and highlighted when a waypoint hard stop had arrived on the route.
I think they have added the ability to skip a waypoint. I just watched a review on it by Sports Bike Shop and it looked like that option was in the menu.
Had mine for 3 weeks, one trip to Scotland and heavy rain and the device is now not working, the screen is blurred, lines all over the screen and an extremely diminished display. Not sure if this is water ingress or a defective part. Still waiting for Beeline to respond as they have no phone contact. Back to Moto 1 at present.😢
Very nice video. I've just ordered the Gunmetal version of the Moto II. Currently, I use my iPhone for navigation, but I feel like it takes something away from the experience of riding a motorcycle. I avoided the original version as I could imagine the frustration of trying to follow that pointer. It looks like the Moto II solves this problem with a kind of hybrid between a full-blown sat nav app and the original pointer style system. Also great to see such a long battery life, as it will negate the need for a USB cable flapping around on my bars. Like others, I'm disappointed to see certain features behind a paywall. It's not just spoken voice. It's also loop mode. The material cost to Beeline will be absolutely TINY (maybe a few pence per month per customer). I bet this model could be supported by charging non-device owners a fee to use the app.
Don't forget, whilst Beeline may say that the battery life is X hours, the device has to be connected to the app running on your phone. So if your phone dies on you, you're left with a dead Beeline.
Following the arrow on the original Moto isn’t difficult, except in situations where you have back to back turns. The Beeline Plus subscription which adds audio prompts released late last year mostly resolves that. I do have the Moto 2 on order as the visual display helps clarify it even more. My favorite thing about the original Moto was the insane battery life. I did a Backcountry Discovery Route last year with it, camping each night. I’d recharge the Moto every few days. While some have pointed out you use your phone for the brains of the GPS, unlike when you mount the phone on your handlebar, the screen isn’t on. Battery life on your phone isn’t significantly impacted. I keep my phone either in a pocket or in a tankbag or frame bag where I have a USB charger anyway. I do also have a Zumo XT, which is great for off-road riding and certain bikes where it doesn’t look out of place. But, of rides where I’m using a GPS, the Beeline Moto is my go-to >90% of the time. I’m very much looking forward to the new one.
Some may find the audio guidance requiring payment a negative but I’d argue that people attracted to the beeline are less likely to have an audio system in their helmet anyway. After all a phone mount is going to be better still if that’s all you care about. What I like is a little help on my route without needing to have my phone out or ruining the look of my bike. Happy with the first gen at the moment especially how long the battery lasts
in some places like SP, it is very dangerous to look at the screen, in 1 second, a lot happens here. Heavy traffic and crazy people doing crazy things, especially at motorcycles
I have used the moto II for about 1200 miles and can conclude it’s a significant improvement over the original. Whilst the older version was simple and easy to use, the larger screen with the map image makes navigating complex junctions much easier.
Nice review. I also gave feedback to the Beeline team and they were very receptive. I even got some swag from them. And the waypoint issue is one I reported with the old version too. However, as you say, if you know about it, you know what to do to get a better user experience. The trick to making waypoints not "fail" (and really piss you off) is to zoom in on the way point as much as possible while planning the route and move it right on top of the route line in the map. Usually if you are zoomed out and set a waypoint, it might be many meters off from the actual route. And, Beeline unfortunately isn't smart enough to know you wanted to just "drive by" it. It keeps on trying to get you to it, even if the waypoint is in a field or on some side street in a town (that's the worst one to have, especially if you have no idea about how to get around the town). I like the cancel routing to last waypoint feature, but I'd also suggest the following. Have two types of waypoints in the planning portion of the app. Destination waypoints and normal waypoints. If a waypoint is a destination, that would mean you intend to stop there and that is when you should get the cancel destination screen while driving. If a waypoints isn't a destination, you can pass it and the routing will take you to the next waypoint automatically. This way, you won't have to cancel all waypoints, only those you wanted to actually stop at and decided at the spur of the moment you wanted to continue on.
Think we need to distinguish the difference between waypoints and shaping points. I am a user of My Route App for planning routes. A waypoint is somewhere you absolutely want to go through, a shaping point is a point to shape the route and if you miss it, the device should recalculate and take you to the next waypoint or shaping point. The ability to skip a waypoint is a must have IMHO.
That is exactly the problem I had when touring Ireland with the Moto 1. I would tap on my phone to force it to take a route through a different town. But I didn't want to go to the exact spot I tapped on my small phone screen, just some way through that town. I had to stop, end the route and start a new one to my real destination.
@@DavidNewmanDr Yup. Zoom in as far as you can and make sure the way point is on the route. If you don‘t do that, Beeline will forever want you to go back to the way point and worse case,you can never get to it.
Great video as usual my friend, thank you! What do you think about the battery when not in use? I leave my Beeline 1 on standby all the time and the battery never ends. I use it a lot and barely ever need to charge it. What about the Beeline 2?
Informative video, def will think about getting one. I had to laugh @ 1:19 regarding weight. How is this in the slightest but relevant to choosing between the rwo, when drinking a cuppa on route is much more than the difference in weights?
A great video Tony, on what looks like a very good device for the money. I think it looks like it works very well, and could be a great back up to your regular sat nav. Thank you
Was quite fond of my moto when I first got it and very supportive, however apart from the complex junction issue mentioned in the video, I really fell out of love with it when they changed a subscription for audio, the device after all is only a screen using your phones GPS. I finally wised up to using an old phone (we all have one) and using google maps, with FREE audio! Then there is carpuride of course. for a lot less than the MOTO if you travel enough to want to hardwire.
Thanks for the info. Was there ever an option for audio on the first model? Even using an old phone, you'd still need a mount, waterproofing and power option so theres not such a great difference. I thought the Carpuride was around £200, and if you're going to use one of those, then you may as well go down the dedicated GPS route. The Beeline for Moto is for people who want a smaller solution.
@@mancavemoto There was Audio but you had to subscribe as I said £3.99 a month. My old Samsung IS waterproof yes you have to mount it, not a huge deal. I think also your forgetting this is NOT a GPS so using a moto or moto2 you have to charge BOTH the phone and the Moto. As I said it displays your phones GPS and needs to use your phone anyway. Sorry to seem argumentative but people should know the facts and Beeline did so piss me off charging for extra features..
Fair Enough, but thats only been around since November 2023. No not forgetting about the phone element, but a phone being used for maps doesnt last long at all, whereas the Moto or Moto II will last all day. I can charge both before riding and still have plenty of battery left, thats not the case with a phone, thats the point i was making. I dont think you're being argumentative, the comment section is for people to share opinions.
Thank you for that, I had a 1st. generation Beeline but I had to send it back because I couldn’t read the screen. But this new one is bigger so this time I might. Just an observation.
I had already liked the proposal of the gen 1 device, but didnt get it because its not for sale (nationally) here in Brazil, and the importing fees might be pretty expensive. But, I do have a friend over the UK and might be able to get the Gen 2 pretty soon, looking forward to it. Awesome review, very useful!
On the missing a waypoint and the Beeline seemingly having to go through rach one, i found on the Beeline one that a touch on the button on the side skipped to the next waypoint. Does the Beeline 2 do this also?
Great review - many thanks👍 Question: does the Beeline app use Google or proprietary maps? If latter: (1) can I download the maps in the app pre-ride (so I can then put my phone in airplane mode and save phone battery? (2) Is there a cost to keeping the maps up to date? (3) What foreign country mapping is supported - and again is there a cost implication? Much obliged!👍
I'm pretty sure its google maps data thats driving it. once the route it plotted and the trip started the only connection needed to the phone is for gps location, so there is very little drain on the battery. No cost for maps updates and they are worldwide
Thanks for the review! Could you use it also for Offrad Riding for example the TET offroad trails in Europe? The old beeline just supported onroad maps. Cheers
Hi, great Video mate. I have two additional qestions: is the map are easy to use and work just fine? When using it, will it soak your phones charge quickly? Than you for testing
Cheers, yes the app is really easy to use, and you can import gpx files too. Because you don't need the screen on the phone (as you would with a phone nav app) it has minimal impact on your battery
OK, so just for clarity... You use an app on your phone to plan your route? The route is sent to the Beeline? The battery on the Beeline is long lasting.. does it need to maintain communication with your phone to work? The phone needs to stay on.. draining it's battery? Or does the Beeline retain the directions once they are downloaded?
Correct the beeline only needs a gps signal from the phone once the route is planned. The phone stays in standby, with the screen off (the screen being the biggest battery drain) so very little demand on the phones battery.
Anyone know what the voltage is at the charging pins of the charging adapter plate (12v or is it dropped to 5v?), and also the positive negative orientation?
Thanks a lot for this informative video. I have two questions; is it possible to switch between mile/km and second what happens if your phone dies or does not get any signal during a trip? Thanks in advance for your kind response.
No problem, yes you can switch beween units. The beeline relies on your phones GPS signal when folowing a route. If your phone dies then thats the end of the route. if you lose a dtat signal, as long as you have a gps signal it still works
I’ve got a v1 and would echo what you said about complex junctions. It was fine for days out on country roads but navigating through towns was always a bit stressful. That said, compared to the crazy money of something like a Garmin unit, it’s a compromise I can live with. Glad they’ve ditched the charging puck. Very likely I’ll be buying a v2
Bonjour, I just received my moto II and I love it but I only have one question to be sure… Is there any free mode ? Let’s say I start riding and it’s just recording my ride without any real destination ? Sorry for my English (I’m french) thanks for your reply. Regards vincent
Bonsoir! There is indeed. If you open the app once the beeline is connected and just hit the ‘record’ button. The app will then record your route and you can save it to ride again if you want to.
Expecting mine sometime next month (July) Got the first one and absolutely loved it but as described in the video, they can be a little confusing at some junctions.
Great video. Very informative and well done. Thank you. I do have a question. Will it function without my iPhone? What if I lose it, or the battery dies?
thanks for the detailed review which ensured me again, not needing a moto II because of the removed features. sorry, "improved" features. reducing the battery life in total by adding features energy-consuming features (which any smartphone-based navi has,), and replacing the minimalistic approach, is just no positive game changer. the "best" part is still only the usb charger :(
Question regarding connection, do you need to have the data running on your phone the whole time? And also if you’re riding (let’s say through wales) and you hit a black spot where you have no phone signal does the route just stop and cut out ? Been looking at them for a while but always end up swaying towards gps system like a regular sat nav , is the beeline that replacement?
I do Enduro and greenlaning in the Uk, I plan my routes ( mostly on OS Maps ) on roads and byways, I save them as GPX file and export them to my phone, someone has told me that the Moto 2 only navigates on roads ( not byways or dirt lanes ) is this true.
I have a v1 and love it. Only gripe i have is that i cannot change from cpmpass mode to navigation on the fly. I have to stop get phone out and set to nav. Is this now the same??
Yes it’s the same, that’s because in compass mode it doesn’t plot a route. So if you want to switch, the phone needs to plan a route and therefore you’ll need to stop and access it 👍
I was keeping my eyes on the Beeline and was waiting for a sale. Now that the 2 is out, Louis has the 1 on sale for 120€. Got myself the nice gun metal version. Used it now for two trips...I can say that I had the common issues with missing turns, but I think I just need to get used to it. The bigger problem was that thing with the waypoint. It happend in both trips and it really annoyed me. In my mind, if I want to hold at one point, I would plan a route A to B. A nice bike ride on the other hand should be easily planned with those waypoints, that you can ride through! I would suggest to have the option in the app to use waypoint through or waitpoint hold. Else I will try to use the function Skip. Must admit I didnt discover and learned all the functions yet. But if they in general plan to update that, then even better.
funny thing is that I was about to do the exact same as you did. you got the extra mounts too normally for that price with the special Louis version ;) I still hesitate to get that one or wait for a sale on the v2.
@@quasars6365 if the weather is nice and you want to go for a tour, just buy it and try it out. Louis has quite a long return policy. If it goes too much on my nerves I will return it and upgrade ;)
if you are in "speed" mode, navigating to a certain location, before making a conversion the display switches to map mode and then returns to speed mode?
The Beeline only needs a data signal to plan the route, once that’s done on the app and the ride is started it only uses the phone connection for gps. So in theory a loss of data signal should make no difference. I’ve not experienced any problems with that, admittedly the most remote I’ve been with the Moto II is the middle of the Fens!
Re: having to pay for voice navigation, surely you could plot the same route in Google maps as in the beeline app, Bluetooth your phone, stick it in your pocket and save yourself a few quid?
I guess, if you really need the voice commands? But it seems a complex way to do it. As I mentioned I’m more than happy using the device as a purely visual guide
@@mancavemoto Thanks for the reply. Usually I'd be with you 100%, it's a long story but a family member has a medical condition so when I'm out on a longer ride with my phone in my pocket, it’d be good to just have some simple heads up notification of texts etc. Hopefully that makes sense? Thanks 👌
I have the original beeline and am thinking about upgrading to the Beeline 2. I am lucky enough to have 3 bikes and want to use both the beelines off the same app on my phone(not at the same time obviously). Can I use the same original phone app for both beelines, or do I have to download a new app for the beeline 2? TIA.
Very good video. I am undecided whether I should buy the 1st generation or the 2nd. If you should decide what would you choose? I want it simple but easy to read.
If your using it for GPX routes for trail riding will it follow the trails or try and navigate round them to the roads? I’ll need it to follow my route.
It will follow the gpx route assuming there are sufficient way points. I'm not sure though that planning a route on the app would stray away from roads.
@@mancavemoto I plan routes on other software and save the GPX files. I have the Beeline Moto V1 and planned and rode a route yesterday. It completely missed my first lane. It also did multiple head spins trying to re-route. I would love if the V2 were able to replace a phone on my handlebars. For me getting away from the tech is a significant draw to trail riding, but any tool has to actually work, especially if you are leading rides.
I have a Samsung. Pairing was a little fiddly but worked after a few minutes. And the very first time I tried to start a ride, it wouldn't work. After restarting that ride I haven't had an issue since.
The BEELINE MOTO is a great navigation device especially if you own an old fashioned/retro style bike and keeps the aesthetics of the bike clean whilst still having a navigation device. However, the majority of us will just use their Android/iPhone and use the appropriate app for free. I'd be interested to know how many MOTO 2 owners will actually take up the subscriptions package just for the voice navigation.
The missing a way point issue is a bit of a pain. I had this last year when I encountered road works so couldn't actually travel down the road I wanted to yet it kept trying to route me back. I also had this issue with Google maps though using voice instructions...had to stop and get my phone out to rectify it.
I think they have added the ability to skip a waypoint. I just watched a review on it by Sports Bike Shop and it looked like that option was in the menu.
Considering this for my Vespa after Tom Tom bricked my Vio. The subs fee for audio is holding me back. Are you able to tell it to avoid motorways in route planner? Thanks
I'm pretty certain the app does. I used Beeline to plan the route for this year's London DGR and it was picking up road closures in what appeared to be real time. It certainly knows about the time limited bus gates around Liverpool Street Station, changing the route to go through them at dead on 7pm when they open for all traffic.
@mancavemoto Thank you so much for the video! I kickstarted for 3 of the metal editions because I was so excited and wanted everyone in the family to have one.
Is there a significant difference between the standard black plastic and metal versions? I didn't realize this was the case until you said something here
The only difference is the material in the casing, everything else is the same. One thing I didn’t point out in the video is that the metal one is heavier than the plastic version.
Thanks, no I haven’t used it off-road yet, it’ll be interesting to see what routing is available but in terms of vibrations I can’t see it being a problem at all
I’m very interested in this device but also quite conflicted. I’d love a simple small and effective display to replace my phone which can be intrusive and I do constantly get messages which I can’t get rid of with gloves on so sounds great. But what about functionality with other apps. I assume it’s fine with google maps. Does it work with calimoto or myroute without having to perform techy type faffing. What happens if mid ride I decide to take a slightly different route, does it re-route me or is it the app and in which case does it do this in real time or do I have to stop. I need to do some research to figure out if I need this or it’ll just end up being another piece of tech in the drawer that I should’ve thought about before buying.
The beeline app offers you route planning, but of course you can plan routes in other apps and export the gpx file. Yes it auto reroutes whilst still riding
Hi enjoyed the video and I thought it was v informative. I a Have been using the original since it first came out and was won over by kits size and convenience. However the device had some big problems. The waypoint issue was infuriating and I wish they were open about the problem as it took me ages to work out what was happening. I used the original on a 150 mile trip to Holy Island recentland there were at least 2 sections of about 10 miles when it just spun around giving me nonsense instructions. I gave up using way points recently so I new that was not the problem. Had I just lost mobile connection.? or should I have somehow saved the route before starting. I love the device and will definitely buy the new one, however I have to k ow all the foibles so I can manage them as they arise. Thanks Paul L
One issue I have with the app. It doesn't distinguish between waypoints (stops) and vias (shaping points). For Beeline, everything is a waypoint. So, you are navigated to all waypoints, even when they are laid in to just shape the route. It would be better if Beeline allowed for vias and an option to not display info about them while navigating. For example, I don't need distance/time to go information for a via. I want the unit to instead display distance/time to go for the next turn/stop, even when a via is between my current position and that turn/stop. Other nits... You can't label/name waypoints on imported routes. It would be nice if the device actually told you that the next navigation event was an actual stop. Even better, would be if the device displayed the label/name of the stop so you know exactly what you are looking for when you get to it (i.e. a gas station's name).
Thank you for this. Yes, the people at Beeline are great. I wrote them about a function. Let's see if that will be a thing of the future. What it was? Well, if we are a bunch of people going the same way and we all have Beelines. Then all the others are pinged to the first one and eliminating the risk of loosing eachother. They loved the idea. I had the old Beeline and it didn't work with my phone I had at the time. So they gave me a refund. But this new one looks like it tick all the boxes, and I have a new phone!
Hi Tony, great review, thanks. One question- can I use Google maps on my phone in my pocket for audio directions in my headset while simultaneously using the Beeline on the bike for visuals Can you use both simultaneously?
Yes, although they won't always agree on routes, so depending on which one you follow you'll either have Google nagging you to perform a U-turn or Beeline trying to get you back to a waypoint.
I just would have liked them to make some way to lock it in place. I have to take it off everytime I get petrol or leave the bike because it is so easy to steal.
Not all of them, many phone based apps do require a subscription just to use the navigation, whilst others require it for extras. Scenic for example requires a paid account to get spoken directions
I and many others always turn voice prompts off. If you want them you can pay up or use another device. I dont want to pay for features I dont need nor want to have. Fully acceptable.
Small companies often purchase services from others to offer features. It's not uncommon, and while it seems useless to me, they have the choice of not offering it at all, or offering it at a small cost. It's your choice not to purchase, I personally won't, but sometimes you have to pay for features. It's the way it works.
Very little, it essentially only takes a gps signal once you’ve planned the the route. The biggest drain on a phone battery is the screen and of course you can switch it off and lock the phone with a Beeline
Looks good but as I cannot get a reply from them about my current order not sure if I would buy one of these. Only just found your channel and seen some very informative videos and now subscribed.
The waypoint rerouting is a real pain when you have voice enabled… the app continually talks to you at nearly every junction telling you to turn around. The voice commands get so bad that you eventually end up with a load of noise that means you have to either turn off your comms or stop to reroute on the app…
I think they have added the ability to skip a waypoint. I just watched a review on it by Sports Bike Shop and it looked like that option was in the menu.
The arrow in the original never appealed to me, there's too many UK road junctions where I just didn't feel it was enough of a direction. The Moto 2 looks a much better device, I've pre ordered one, hopefully they can keep up with demand and I'll get one soon, I think it will be really popular.
Yep, it could be a problem, but the arrow in conjunction with road signs meant it was rarely a problem. I prefer the Moto II however. I think they were caught out by the popularity of the kickstarter campaign, but having asked them, production is being ramped up
Interesting vid, I too like the ability to skip waypoints easily, without having to do multiple clicks… However, the requirement for a mobile begs the question of whether this device is needed…. I bought my Samsung s20 refurb for 149 and use calimoto with a Quadlock…. Why have two devices at twice the price….? (Although, I admit I find skipping a waypoint in calimoto particularly difficult, probably user error).
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I am a bit old school, still use a map and write a prompt sheet to go in my tank bag, but I looked at buying a conventional bike sat nav, they are very expensive and too large, and would intrude on my machine, plus they get nicked, same reason I dont want a phone on view, but the beeline is perfect for me, its small and can be fitted unobtrusively by the speedo, when touring Europe, its nice at the end of the day not to have to keep looking down at my written prompts, and you really only need the arrows to guide you , the addition of the small road section really made up my mind, great review, and evn an oldie like me could understand how it works
The original Beeline frustrated me as i often missed junctions. Took the plunge and signed up for the audio service connected to my Bluetooth helmet and this is a game changer. No more missed turns - works great. Now waiting for the Moto II. I often plan routes using calimoto on my pc and then upload GPX file to the Beeline - the combination works really well for me - especially with audio
Yes, the original is brilliant for the motorway navigation but could be confusing in towns. Just about to buy the Moto 2 which looks like it has significant improvements.
The Moto 1 is still a useful bit of kit tho
it's a shame audio navigation is locked behind a subscription. I'm completely fine with some features being behind a paywall, but audio navigation is like one of the most basic features offered by every other navigation solution for free.
It’s odd how opinions differ - I specifically chose the Beeline after trying audio navigation from my phone and finding it hugely distracting. I liked the minimalistic approach.
As I say, each to their own.
How's your experience with the moto 2? My old moto drained 10% after driving 3 days for 8 hours.
My new one drained to 18% after the first 5 hours of driving (fully charged before).
And I can't see the new screen if the sun is reflecting on it. Also the LED and audio notifications are way to weak to see in daylight and hear over the motorcycle/wind noise. Pretty disappointed honestly.
The map view is awesome though, no discussion.
I bought my Beeline Moto II this week, and did 117 miles with it today, town and country. Very easy to use. Very clear to read: even though I normally need reading glasses, I can read the Beeline screen without them. Today, it found me a most excellent back lanes route that I would never have thought of, even though I was in an area I know well. Only slight disappointment: I have not found a way to get the app on my PC so I can plan routes on a bigger screen than my phone. All round: an excellent piece of kit.
I've had a Moto for a couple of years, it's been super handy. Most of my rides are on roads I know, there are sometimes when I need the help of a device and it has served my well for those. I have ordered a Moto II, it seemed like a good enough step up.
Great review! I bought the v1 some years ago and absolutely love it. Use it all the time if going somewhere new or unfamiliar. Never worry about missing a turn as a) it will reroute you and b) that’s all part of the adventure!
The v2 looks even better - and at a great price. Seriously tempted!!
Thanks, yes they have definitely improved the user experience. It’s such a handy little device to have
Clear, concise and very helpful in product details and relevance! Thanks for the vid!
I just ordered one after watching your review.
I like the speed limit option and it is actualy what I need.
Small,simple to use and with basic info it will fit well on my California 1400 handlebar.
Great review. I love my Gen 1 version (especially the ridiculously long battery life (20 hours in and still at 66%). I may have to upgrade to this at some point, but I am still loving the original.
Question: with the Gen 1 Moto device, when you come to an interjection with several lanes towards the right direction, does it show you which lane to take and how? I know it shows the exit in roundabout, but what about multiple lanes? Thanks a lot
@@shesaidyesnoyes It doesn't I'm afraid. Just the number of the exit you need to take.
My old moto drained 10% after driving 3 days for 8 hours.
My new one drained to 18% after the first 5 hours of driving (fully charged before). 😭
@@dietervdw Ouch! Must be the bigger screen and backlight. I've had mine for four months and I've only charged it twice.
@@BulletBeenaYeah regretting selling my old Moto right now. I don't need more devices to charge all the time ...
Beeline has partnered with both Triumph and a small company in Indiana called Janus to add a branded choice to the model line. I have one on my Scrambler 400X and really like it. I sold a Zumo XT since it just seemed out of place on the 400. I feel that this is a really good piece of kit.
Great video. I complained about the treatment of waypoints, especially when you cannot get a mobile connection to adjust your route in the App. I suggested they differentiate between Waypoints and Stops. Waypoints can be bypassed, stops can’t unless deleted with a simple in app option (not needing a mobile connection). Stephen
Great Review Tony,
I've had the V1 for a while and found it good except for complex junctions or for a turn very soon after an initial turn.
Just upgraded to the V2 and much prefer it. Screen size and brightness is also much improved.
Super informative video Tony - thanks for that - as a fan of the original device I look forward to upgrading to this version soon! All the best and will I be seeing you at the ABR festival??
Cheers Andy, yes I’ll be there this year, must catch up for a beer and a chinwag
@@mancavemoto Sure thing - look forward to it!
The option to skip a waypoint via the device itself for app-planned routes is good, but I would prefer it if they facilitated auto-route to work with imported GPX routes, and highlighted when a waypoint hard stop had arrived on the route.
I think they have added the ability to skip a waypoint. I just watched a review on it by Sports Bike Shop and it looked like that option was in the menu.
And I just watched the review on Urban Rider and there was Skip Waypoint on the menu.
@@BulletBeena I should have said "is"
Thank you so much , I’m waiting for my MOTO 11 to arrive
You really cleared up many questions and also stuff I didn’t know about.
Liked 👍
Subscribed 👍
Thanks!
Had mine for 3 weeks, one trip to Scotland and heavy rain and the device is now not working, the screen is blurred, lines all over the screen and an extremely diminished display. Not sure if this is water ingress or a defective part. Still waiting for Beeline to respond as they have no phone contact. Back to Moto 1 at present.😢
Very nice video. I've just ordered the Gunmetal version of the Moto II. Currently, I use my iPhone for navigation, but I feel like it takes something away from the experience of riding a motorcycle. I avoided the original version as I could imagine the frustration of trying to follow that pointer. It looks like the Moto II solves this problem with a kind of hybrid between a full-blown sat nav app and the original pointer style system. Also great to see such a long battery life, as it will negate the need for a USB cable flapping around on my bars. Like others, I'm disappointed to see certain features behind a paywall. It's not just spoken voice. It's also loop mode. The material cost to Beeline will be absolutely TINY (maybe a few pence per month per customer). I bet this model could be supported by charging non-device owners a fee to use the app.
Don't forget, whilst Beeline may say that the battery life is X hours, the device has to be connected to the app running on your phone.
So if your phone dies on you, you're left with a dead Beeline.
@@AlexOnABoat Good point
Following the arrow on the original Moto isn’t difficult, except in situations where you have back to back turns. The Beeline Plus subscription which adds audio prompts released late last year mostly resolves that. I do have the Moto 2 on order as the visual display helps clarify it even more. My favorite thing about the original Moto was the insane battery life. I did a Backcountry Discovery Route last year with it, camping each night. I’d recharge the Moto every few days.
While some have pointed out you use your phone for the brains of the GPS, unlike when you mount the phone on your handlebar, the screen isn’t on. Battery life on your phone isn’t significantly impacted. I keep my phone either in a pocket or in a tankbag or frame bag where I have a USB charger anyway. I do also have a Zumo XT, which is great for off-road riding and certain bikes where it doesn’t look out of place. But, of rides where I’m using a GPS, the Beeline Moto is my go-to >90% of the time. I’m very much looking forward to the new one.
Some may find the audio guidance requiring payment a negative but I’d argue that people attracted to the beeline are less likely to have an audio system in their helmet anyway. After all a phone mount is going to be better still if that’s all you care about. What I like is a little help on my route without needing to have my phone out or ruining the look of my bike. Happy with the first gen at the moment especially how long the battery lasts
Exactly my thoughts about the voice commands.
in some places like SP, it is very dangerous to look at the screen, in 1 second, a lot happens here. Heavy traffic and crazy people doing crazy things, especially at motorcycles
I have used the moto II for about 1200 miles and can conclude it’s a significant improvement over the original. Whilst the older version was simple and easy to use, the larger screen with the map image makes navigating complex junctions much easier.
Nice review. I also gave feedback to the Beeline team and they were very receptive. I even got some swag from them. And the waypoint issue is one I reported with the old version too. However, as you say, if you know about it, you know what to do to get a better user experience. The trick to making waypoints not "fail" (and really piss you off) is to zoom in on the way point as much as possible while planning the route and move it right on top of the route line in the map. Usually if you are zoomed out and set a waypoint, it might be many meters off from the actual route. And, Beeline unfortunately isn't smart enough to know you wanted to just "drive by" it. It keeps on trying to get you to it, even if the waypoint is in a field or on some side street in a town (that's the worst one to have, especially if you have no idea about how to get around the town).
I like the cancel routing to last waypoint feature, but I'd also suggest the following. Have two types of waypoints in the planning portion of the app. Destination waypoints and normal waypoints. If a waypoint is a destination, that would mean you intend to stop there and that is when you should get the cancel destination screen while driving. If a waypoints isn't a destination, you can pass it and the routing will take you to the next waypoint automatically. This way, you won't have to cancel all waypoints, only those you wanted to actually stop at and decided at the spur of the moment you wanted to continue on.
Think we need to distinguish the difference between waypoints and shaping points. I am a user of My Route App for planning routes. A waypoint is somewhere you absolutely want to go through, a shaping point is a point to shape the route and if you miss it, the device should recalculate and take you to the next waypoint or shaping point. The ability to skip a waypoint is a must have IMHO.
That is exactly the problem I had when touring Ireland with the Moto 1. I would tap on my phone to force it to take a route through a different town. But I didn't want to go to the exact spot I tapped on my small phone screen, just some way through that town. I had to stop, end the route and start a new one to my real destination.
@@DavidNewmanDr Yup. Zoom in as far as you can and make sure the way point is on the route. If you don‘t do that, Beeline will forever want you to go back to the way point and worse case,you can never get to it.
Great video as usual my friend, thank you! What do you think about the battery when not in use?
I leave my Beeline 1 on standby all the time and the battery never ends. I use it a lot and barely ever need to charge it. What about the Beeline 2?
Thanks, yes its much the same, the screen means a littel more battery consumption, but only a little
Informative video, def will think about getting one. I had to laugh @ 1:19 regarding weight. How is this in the slightest but relevant to choosing between the rwo, when drinking a cuppa on route is much more than the difference in weights?
One of the best things about this new iteration is that the price hasn't increased much in comparison to the previous
Indeed, I think it makes it good value
A great video Tony, on what looks like a very good device for the money. I think it looks like it works very well, and could be a great back up to your regular sat nav. Thank you
Thanks 👍
Was quite fond of my moto when I first got it and very supportive, however apart from the complex junction issue mentioned in the video, I really fell out of love with it when they changed a subscription for audio, the device after all is only a screen using your phones GPS. I finally wised up to using an old phone (we all have one) and using google maps, with FREE audio! Then there is carpuride of course. for a lot less than the MOTO if you travel enough to want to hardwire.
Thanks for the info. Was there ever an option for audio on the first model? Even using an old phone, you'd still need a mount, waterproofing and power option so theres not such a great difference. I thought the Carpuride was around £200, and if you're going to use one of those, then you may as well go down the dedicated GPS route. The Beeline for Moto is for people who want a smaller solution.
@@mancavemoto There was Audio but you had to subscribe as I said £3.99 a month. My old Samsung IS waterproof yes you have to mount it, not a huge deal. I think also your forgetting this is NOT a GPS so using a moto or moto2 you have to charge BOTH the phone and the Moto. As I said it displays your phones GPS and needs to use your phone anyway. Sorry to seem argumentative but people should know the facts and Beeline did so piss me off charging for extra features..
Fair Enough, but thats only been around since November 2023. No not forgetting about the phone element, but a phone being used for maps doesnt last long at all, whereas the Moto or Moto II will last all day. I can charge both before riding and still have plenty of battery left, thats not the case with a phone, thats the point i was making. I dont think you're being argumentative, the comment section is for people to share opinions.
Thank you for that,
I had a 1st. generation Beeline but I had to send it back because I couldn’t read the screen. But this new one is bigger so this time I might. Just an observation.
Yep, it’s much clearer too, the previous one was a prone to reflections
Thanks great Video I will definitely get one for my speed 400
Have ordered one for my Speed Twin…….looks great not ugly.
I had already liked the proposal of the gen 1 device, but didnt get it because its not for sale (nationally) here in Brazil, and the importing fees might be pretty expensive.
But, I do have a friend over the UK and might be able to get the Gen 2 pretty soon, looking forward to it.
Awesome review, very useful!
On the missing a waypoint and the Beeline seemingly having to go through rach one, i found on the Beeline one that a touch on the button on the side skipped to the next waypoint. Does the Beeline 2 do this also?
It does appear to now yes
Great review - many thanks👍 Question: does the Beeline app use Google or proprietary maps? If latter: (1) can I download the maps in the app pre-ride (so I can then put my phone in airplane mode and save phone battery? (2) Is there a cost to keeping the maps up to date? (3) What foreign country mapping is supported - and again is there a cost implication? Much obliged!👍
I'm pretty sure its google maps data thats driving it. once the route it plotted and the trip started the only connection needed to the phone is for gps location, so there is very little drain on the battery. No cost for maps updates and they are worldwide
@@mancavemotoThanks for taking the time to reply. Sounds good 👍
Not getting the speed limit icon on mine for aome reason and cannot see any setting on the app for it.
Thanks for the review! Could you use it also for Offrad Riding for example the TET offroad trails in Europe? The old beeline just supported onroad maps.
Cheers
Same with this one
@@mancavemoto thanks a lot!
Thanks good review, will be upgrading too gen 2 👍
Hi, great Video mate. I have two additional qestions: is the map are easy to use and work just fine? When using it, will it soak your phones charge quickly? Than you for testing
Cheers, yes the app is really easy to use, and you can import gpx files too. Because you don't need the screen on the phone (as you would with a phone nav app) it has minimal impact on your battery
Very nice video and explanation. Going to look into this going forward.
OK, so just for clarity... You use an app on your phone to plan your route? The route is sent to the Beeline? The battery on the Beeline is long lasting.. does it need to maintain communication with your phone to work? The phone needs to stay on.. draining it's battery? Or does the Beeline retain the directions once they are downloaded?
Correct the beeline only needs a gps signal from the phone once the route is planned. The phone stays in standby, with the screen off (the screen being the biggest battery drain) so very little demand on the phones battery.
@@mancavemoto thank you
Anyone know what the voltage is at the charging pins of the charging adapter plate (12v or is it dropped to 5v?), and also the positive negative orientation?
Just checked, its 5v. can be either way around
Thanks a lot for this informative video. I have two questions; is it possible to switch between mile/km and second what happens if your phone dies or does not get any signal during a trip? Thanks in advance for your kind response.
No problem, yes you can switch beween units. The beeline relies on your phones GPS signal when folowing a route. If your phone dies then thats the end of the route. if you lose a dtat signal, as long as you have a gps signal it still works
I’ve got a v1 and would echo what you said about complex junctions. It was fine for days out on country roads but navigating through towns was always a bit stressful. That said, compared to the crazy money of something like a Garmin unit, it’s a compromise I can live with. Glad they’ve ditched the charging puck. Very likely I’ll be buying a v2
Hi Matt, yes it’s definitely an improvement in that respect.
Bonjour, I just received my moto II and I love it but I only have one question to be sure… Is there any free mode ? Let’s say I start riding and it’s just recording my ride without any real destination ? Sorry for my English (I’m french) thanks for your reply. Regards vincent
Bonsoir! There is indeed. If you open the app once the beeline is connected and just hit the ‘record’ button. The app will then record your route and you can save it to ride again if you want to.
@@mancavemoto Merci beaucoup ! I was founded it just after my message. ;-)
Expecting mine sometime next month (July) Got the first one and absolutely loved it but as described in the video, they can be a little confusing at some junctions.
Great video. Very informative and well done. Thank you. I do have a question. Will it function without my iPhone? What if I lose it, or the battery dies?
Thanks, no it’s not a stand alone unit, it does need the phone for planning the route and a gps signal once the route is started.
thanks for the detailed review which ensured me again, not needing a moto II because of the removed features. sorry, "improved" features.
reducing the battery life in total by adding features energy-consuming features (which any smartphone-based navi has,), and replacing the minimalistic approach, is just no positive game changer.
the "best" part is still only the usb charger :(
I have Moto 1. This allows both motorcycle and bicycle navigation. Does the new Moto2 have same features. Regards
Yes
Question regarding connection, do you need to have the data running on your phone the whole time? And also if you’re riding (let’s say through wales) and you hit a black spot where you have no phone signal does the route just stop and cut out ? Been looking at them for a while but always end up swaying towards gps system like a regular sat nav , is the beeline that replacement?
No, once the route is planned and commenced all you need from the phone is the gps signal
I do Enduro and greenlaning in the Uk, I plan my routes ( mostly on OS Maps )
on roads and byways, I save them as GPX file and export them to my phone, someone has told me that the Moto 2 only navigates on roads ( not byways or dirt lanes ) is this true.
They are correct, it’s roads only at the moment
I have a v1 and love it. Only gripe i have is that i cannot change from cpmpass mode to navigation on the fly. I have to stop get phone out and set to nav. Is this now the same??
Yes it’s the same, that’s because in compass mode it doesn’t plot a route. So if you want to switch, the phone needs to plan a route and therefore you’ll need to stop and access it 👍
A great review. What a fab piece if kit
Great video, good option for classic or custom bikes so the look is not ruined.
Thanks, and yes absolutely
I was keeping my eyes on the Beeline and was waiting for a sale. Now that the 2 is out, Louis has the 1 on sale for 120€. Got myself the nice gun metal version.
Used it now for two trips...I can say that I had the common issues with missing turns, but I think I just need to get used to it.
The bigger problem was that thing with the waypoint. It happend in both trips and it really annoyed me. In my mind, if I want to hold at one point, I would plan a route A to B. A nice bike ride on the other hand should be easily planned with those waypoints, that you can ride through!
I would suggest to have the option in the app to use waypoint through or waitpoint hold.
Else I will try to use the function Skip. Must admit I didnt discover and learned all the functions yet. But if they in general plan to update that, then even better.
funny thing is that I was about to do the exact same as you did. you got the extra mounts too normally for that price with the special Louis version ;) I still hesitate to get that one or wait for a sale on the v2.
@@quasars6365 if the weather is nice and you want to go for a tour, just buy it and try it out. Louis has quite a long return policy. If it goes too much on my nerves I will return it and upgrade ;)
Forgive my ignorance, possibly I missed something, but do you need to bring along a smartphone to use this thingy?
yes, it uses the smartphone for a gps signal when in use
if you are in "speed" mode, navigating to a certain location, before making a conversion the display switches to map mode and then returns to speed mode?
Good question, I haven't tried that, let me do a test and i'll come back to you.
@@mancavemoto there is a setting (when beeline is conected) called “turns reminder”. Now it works!!!
What happens when your phone is out of data range? On the original, it seemed to switch to compass mode which was a problem.
The Beeline only needs a data signal to plan the route, once that’s done on the app and the ride is started it only uses the phone connection for gps. So in theory a loss of data signal should make no difference. I’ve not experienced any problems with that, admittedly the most remote I’ve been with the Moto II is the middle of the Fens!
Great review and comprehensive. My Gen I stopped charging due the charging base contacts. Any talk of integrating google maps?
Thanks, that’s a shame. Beeline seem to be constructing this one in a more modular fashion, making repairs or replacement parts easier to fit.
Re: having to pay for voice navigation, surely you could plot the same route in Google maps as in the beeline app, Bluetooth your phone, stick it in your pocket and save yourself a few quid?
I guess, if you really need the voice commands? But it seems a complex way to do it. As I mentioned I’m more than happy using the device as a purely visual guide
What maps you can use with it , and can you use sena headset with it?
It works in conjunction with the Beeline App, and yes you can connect any bluetooth comms unit to it
@@mancavemoto Thank you, I also don't like my Iphone to be outside to get stolen or damaged..
I have the original ball mount. Does the moto2 adapter fit
The adapter replaces the centre piece of the mount, so yes it will fit
Great review, thanks. I’d like to know if it displays phone notifications though in any way? Thanks 👍
Thanks, no it doesn’t, which is one reason I like it. Less distractions 👍
@@mancavemoto Thanks for the reply. Usually I'd be with you 100%, it's a long story but a family member has a medical condition so when I'm out on a longer ride with my phone in my pocket, it’d be good to just have some simple heads up notification of texts etc. Hopefully that makes sense? Thanks 👌
I have the original beeline and am thinking about upgrading to the Beeline 2. I am lucky enough to have 3 bikes and want to use both the beelines off the same app on my phone(not at the same time obviously). Can I use the same original phone app for both beelines, or do I have to download a new app for the beeline 2?
TIA.
As far as i'm aware the app works for both, but currenylt you have to log out and in again to connect a different beeline?
Very good video. I am undecided whether I should buy the 1st generation or the 2nd. If you should decide what would you choose? I want it simple but easy to read.
If I was choosing now, I’d go with the II
Nice review, thanks. Dumb question maybe but can you use it as a speedo ? (even as a kind of workaround?)
Yes, he says in the video
If your using it for GPX routes for trail riding will it follow the trails or try and navigate round them to the roads? I’ll need it to follow my route.
It will follow the gpx route assuming there are sufficient way points. I'm not sure though that planning a route on the app would stray away from roads.
@@mancavemoto I plan routes on other software and save the GPX files. I have the Beeline Moto V1 and planned and rode a route yesterday. It completely missed my first lane. It also did multiple head spins trying to re-route. I would love if the V2 were able to replace a phone on my handlebars. For me getting away from the tech is a significant draw to trail riding, but any tool has to actually work, especially if you are leading rides.
Thx for the clear facts and usage.
In not getting used to my Garmin's. It looks the business but they are not as easy to use as an app.
What phone model do you find it works with. I've had terrible functionality issues with a Samsung, that Beeline have been unable to resolve.
I use an iPhone 12 and it’s been working perfectly
I have a Samsung. Pairing was a little fiddly but worked after a few minutes. And the very first time I tried to start a ride, it wouldn't work. After restarting that ride I haven't had an issue since.
The BEELINE MOTO is a great navigation device especially if you own an old fashioned/retro style bike and keeps the aesthetics of the bike clean whilst still having a navigation device. However, the majority of us will just use their Android/iPhone and use the appropriate app for free. I'd be interested to know how many MOTO 2 owners will actually take up the subscriptions package just for the voice navigation.
Know what you mean on aesthetics Adam , I've just bought a Yamaha XSR 125 Legacy and the Moto II in metal matches the bikes dashboard , nice !
I will likely order this when it's released. Much better than the original one
Great explanatory video looks a good piece of kit I expect the only thing to do is to put £200 down and try it let’s see
The missing a way point issue is a bit of a pain. I had this last year when I encountered road works so couldn't actually travel down the road I wanted to yet it kept trying to route me back. I also had this issue with Google maps though using voice instructions...had to stop and get my phone out to rectify it.
I think they have added the ability to skip a waypoint. I just watched a review on it by Sports Bike Shop and it looked like that option was in the menu.
Considering this for my Vespa after Tom Tom bricked my Vio. The subs fee for audio is holding me back. Are you able to tell it to avoid motorways in route planner? Thanks
Yes there are the usual options to avoid motorways, tolls and ferries etc
Brilliant vid as always top bloke tony
Thanks 👍
Does it include traffic info? I.e. road closures, road works, diversions etc
I'm pretty certain the app does. I used Beeline to plan the route for this year's London DGR and it was picking up road closures in what appeared to be real time.
It certainly knows about the time limited bus gates around Liverpool Street Station, changing the route to go through them at dead on 7pm when they open for all traffic.
If you miss a turn (not talking way point), does it U-turn or re-calculate the route?
If you miss a turning it just automatically reroutes 👍
Quick question the old beeline on standby last ages, does the same apply to the new model ? Subscribed by the way 😊
On standby yes, but in use the battery like is less as the new screen draws more power. Thanks for the sub
@mancavemoto Thank you so much for the video! I kickstarted for 3 of the metal editions because I was so excited and wanted everyone in the family to have one.
I would imagine traffic alerts will be something offered in a future firmware update?
@@mancavemoto
Is there a significant difference between the standard black plastic and metal versions? I didn't realize this was the case until you said something here
The only difference is the material in the casing, everything else is the same. One thing I didn’t point out in the video is that the metal one is heavier than the plastic version.
@@mancavemoto Thank you!
Very helpfull video. Thx. 🙏 did you test it off-road. Cause of routing and vibrations. Greetings from austria 🇦🇹
Thanks, no I haven’t used it off-road yet, it’ll be interesting to see what routing is available but in terms of vibrations I can’t see it being a problem at all
Does the original one offer in miles the direction or is everything in kilometers?
You can switch between units of measurement
I’m very interested in this device but also quite conflicted. I’d love a simple small and effective display to replace my phone which can be intrusive and I do constantly get messages which I can’t get rid of with gloves on so sounds great. But what about functionality with other apps. I assume it’s fine with google maps. Does it work with calimoto or myroute without having to perform techy type faffing. What happens if mid ride I decide to take a slightly different route, does it re-route me or is it the app and in which case does it do this in real time or do I have to stop. I need to do some research to figure out if I need this or it’ll just end up being another piece of tech in the drawer that I should’ve thought about before buying.
The beeline app offers you route planning, but of course you can plan routes in other apps and export the gpx file. Yes it auto reroutes whilst still riding
Hi enjoyed the video and I thought it was v informative. I a
Have been using the original since it first came out and was won over by kits size and convenience. However the device had some big problems. The waypoint issue was infuriating and I wish they were open about the problem as it took me ages to work out what was happening. I used the original on a 150 mile trip to Holy Island recentland there were at least 2 sections of about 10 miles when it just spun around giving me nonsense instructions. I gave up using way points recently so I new that was not the problem. Had I just lost mobile connection.? or should I have somehow saved the route before starting. I love the device and will definitely buy the new one, however I have to k ow all the foibles so I can manage them as they arise. Thanks Paul L
One issue I have with the app. It doesn't distinguish between waypoints (stops) and vias (shaping points). For Beeline, everything is a waypoint. So, you are navigated to all waypoints, even when they are laid in to just shape the route. It would be better if Beeline allowed for vias and an option to not display info about them while navigating. For example, I don't need distance/time to go information for a via. I want the unit to instead display distance/time to go for the next turn/stop, even when a via is between my current position and that turn/stop. Other nits... You can't label/name waypoints on imported routes. It would be nice if the device actually told you that the next navigation event was an actual stop. Even better, would be if the device displayed the label/name of the stop so you know exactly what you are looking for when you get to it (i.e. a gas station's name).
Thank you for this. Yes, the people at Beeline are great. I wrote them about a function. Let's see if that will be a thing of the future. What it was?
Well, if we are a bunch of people going the same way and we all have Beelines. Then all the others are pinged to the first one and eliminating the risk of loosing eachother. They loved the idea.
I had the old Beeline and it didn't work with my phone I had at the time. So they gave me a refund. But this new one looks like it tick all the boxes, and I have a new phone!
That sounds like an interesting idea!
Hi Tony, great review, thanks. One question- can I use Google maps on my phone in my pocket for audio directions in my headset while simultaneously using the Beeline on the bike for visuals
Can you use both simultaneously?
Great question !!
Yes, although they won't always agree on routes, so depending on which one you follow you'll either have Google nagging you to perform a U-turn or Beeline trying to get you back to a waypoint.
Fair point, sounds like a definite possibility. 😮@@AlexOnABoat
I just would have liked them to make some way to lock it in place. I have to take it off everytime I get petrol or leave the bike because it is so easy to steal.
It’s just as easy to twist it off and stick it in your pocket 👍
BTW navigation audio instructions only available with an extra subscription :(
Yes, and I talk about that at 06:25 in the video
Can you use it as a speedo without having to put a route in?
yes
@mancavemoto thanks for coming back. That's great. Do you know if the speed limit indicator can be shown on the speedo page too?
A good Question, i'd have to check that. I suspect it can, but only when using it on a planned route, not for what you have in mind
You called it. Subscriptions are unacceptable. Every GPS out there offers voice prompts for FREE. This is an obscene cash grab.
Not all of them, many phone based apps do require a subscription just to use the navigation, whilst others require it for extras. Scenic for example requires a paid account to get spoken directions
Maybe it's just made for specific target group,some half classic riders that don't want it to be to fancy.
You allwasy have other options.
I and many others always turn voice prompts off. If you want them you can pay up or use another device. I dont want to pay for features I dont need nor want to have. Fully acceptable.
Small companies often purchase services from others to offer features. It's not uncommon, and while it seems useless to me, they have the choice of not offering it at all, or offering it at a small cost. It's your choice not to purchase, I personally won't, but sometimes you have to pay for features. It's the way it works.
Enjoyed the review.
Thanks!
What about if you go off course using gpx file?
It will show a dotted 'as the crow flies' line heading back towards the nearest point of the gpx route
What's the battery drain on your phone while using it?
Very little, it essentially only takes a gps signal once you’ve planned the the route. The biggest drain on a phone battery is the screen and of course you can switch it off and lock the phone with a Beeline
Looks good but as I cannot get a reply from them about my current order not sure if I would buy one of these. Only just found your channel and seen some very informative videos and now subscribed.
Oh, that’s not good. Hopefully it’s all OK, and thanks for the Sub, much appreciated
Still waiting for mine. They say middle of just for shipping.
the only thing miss for me is the ability to have autovelox, even on a pay subsciption, will be a must have.
That may come at a later stage perhaps?
Does ist consider traffic jams and closed roads to the route? 🤔 Like goggle maps for example...
No currently but it is possibly a firmware upgrade to come
The waypoint rerouting is a real pain when you have voice enabled… the app continually talks to you at nearly every junction telling you to turn around. The voice commands get so bad that you eventually end up with a load of noise that means you have to either turn off your comms or stop to reroute on the app…
I think they have added the ability to skip a waypoint. I just watched a review on it by Sports Bike Shop and it looked like that option was in the menu.
The arrow in the original never appealed to me, there's too many UK road junctions where I just didn't feel it was enough of a direction. The Moto 2 looks a much better device, I've pre ordered one, hopefully they can keep up with demand and I'll get one soon, I think it will be really popular.
Yep, it could be a problem, but the arrow in conjunction with road signs meant it was rarely a problem. I prefer the Moto II however. I think they were caught out by the popularity of the kickstarter campaign, but having asked them, production is being ramped up
Will work in Indian map?
Worldwide maps
Interesting vid, I too like the ability to skip waypoints easily, without having to do multiple clicks… However, the requirement for a mobile begs the question of whether this device is needed…. I bought my Samsung s20 refurb for 149 and use calimoto with a Quadlock…. Why have two devices at twice the price….? (Although, I admit I find skipping a waypoint in calimoto particularly difficult, probably user error).
Does this need a constant connection to a mobile phone?
Yes, for the gps signal
@@mancavemoto do you find it drains the phone’s battery?
Not very much, it’s the screen that really eats up a phones battery, and of course once you’ve set your route the screen is switched off
Does it work with Google Maps?
I think it uses Google maps data as a base in the app, but you can’t ’log in’ to Google maps and use that on the beeline.
Can I import GPX files to the app?
Yes, I import GPX files on the V1 version and this will allow you to download them
Yes
Well, ackshually, tft screens are lcd screens.
Technically yes, a tft is a form of lcd screen. But there’s actually quite a big difference. Which is why they referred to separately.