Should You Go To the Memorial?
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- (Cedars vlog no. 267) Last year, 20 million people attended the "memorial" of the Lord's Evening Meal (or "Last Supper") as observed by Jehovah's Witnesses. But what happens at the "memorial?" And what motivates people to attend? I lift the lid on what goes on, and why.
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i think its top quality whisky instead of wine this year
Ellie Larkin HAHAHA
Buahahahaha 🤣🤣🤣
Lol, I commented something like that in the bottle gate video, lol
fernando caceres I love reading the funny comments on videos
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After 32 years this will be the first Memorial I miss. I already bought my bottle of Whiskey to drink in honor of Tony that day, though.
me too
Me too, after 33 years.
Will you be waiting until after sunset to take that drink? Ha ha
@@sofiamorgan6644 - Hmmm... maybe I should, LOL!
@Efrain Rivera Junior it will be my first time not attending the memorial also. My husband will attend without me. I can only imagine that chattering among the friends " I cant BELIEVE she did not have enough love for Jehovah to at least attend the memorial" lol. I will be at home having a toast to my freedom. After sundown that is. It will be cheap wine, cause I cant afford the Top Shelf wine. Lol
Lloyd remember ‘apostate’ from the Greek means “run away slave”....you are not a slave anymore, you are free👍
Thank you,I will tell that to any witness!
Truth Seeker
Free it all the bullshit religions and fairytales
Jo Griffin, That is how I feel! Ps. You are gorgeous.
I love this
I'm a born in first time not attending, it's almost a month since I've faded I don't want to get panic attacks and that weird, awkward culty atmosphere in my life again. I won't go but I guess my family will start to shun me when they see I'm serious about leaving.
Nothando Zulugirl sending you a big hug!
Nothando Zulugirl yes I’ve been worried that if I go the Armageddon nightmares I’ve had since childhood will start again.
@@michellecollins290 Wow, I'm sorry. Almost all my dreams are nightmares but I never had one about Armageddon. I always thought well, if I don't make it to paradise at least there's no hell, so I'm fine either way. Now I know none of it is real
Born in and DFed for two years now. First time not going as well. Nothando are you in SA? Your face looks familiar. I think I've seen you at a convention.
@@michellecollins290 dint be scared I'm not I'm in contact with a true annointed man, he stepped as an elder when Jehovahs spirit showed him how bad the organization is and how the governing body sold the souls to Satan he told me jehovah is furious and is going to crush the organization for good all his people will get out. Jehovah has a new plan for us he is a good God and knows we are victims of this organization yiu won't be killed. It took time for me to wake up but speaking to annointed assured me that Jehovah has a new plan for all of us the governing body has broken his will. Let's just wait for God and not stop praying 💖
Not forgetting the speaker who does the awkward back and forth handling of the "emblems". The ritual was executed like a military operation in our cong, with absolute fear of dropping them.
Rod Hucker yes I think the fear of dropping anything is probably thought more about than the spiritual side!! 😮
When I was a kid a red wine was spilled all over the stage, he hit the bottom of the glass on the edge of the table, his father stood at the podium glaring at him everyone was like 😲😱
Ive been out almost a year. Spouse is still in and has been pressuring me to go. Am I attending? A big @#$& NO!
Selerie Sticks we probably left around the same time. I will have a glass of wine that evening and a toast to our freedom.
Lol
I was actually going to ask about what happens if you leave but your spouse doesn’t, does the church push the other spouse to get divorced or is that forbidden?
@@WorldOfMellie you cant divorce . If you do though you cant remarry unless the spouse cheated on you..close to what is Catholics believe but we are a bit more stern as we still only consider a real marriage if you marry in a Catholic Church..
@@Sullivancohen the memorial and sunday meeting after (last year) was the last time I set foot in a kh.
I received zero invitations, no telephone calls from loving elders. And I'm not disfellowshipped, just inactive
olabaskerville same here. But they’re constantly going to my house and harassing my non-jw family. I recently moved out.
I'm inviting you personally as my spiritual family to please be there tonight,? Please read my post I shared with the group! I know how you feel! Been there after plenty unkindness........ Please remember we not serving the GB or the elders..... We serving the GOD OF THE ORGANIZATION.... PLEASE BELOVED JUST FOR ME, RESPECT JESUS RANSOM AND PROVE IT BY ATTENDING! WE SURELY DONT NEEDS HUMANS HUGS, KISSES, OR HANDSHAKES TO BE LOYAL TO OUR GOD AND also to Jesus! Big agape hugs!
olabaskerville : the same is hier in Austria...
LOL @@johanviviers4brightupyourd999
I got one phone call from the "coordinator". If there was no memorial I know he wouldn't be calling me though... I'm also just inactive and it's feeling the same as if I was DF'ed none of these people I've known my whole life give a shit about me anymore just because I stopped going to the meetings. Not going to any further meetings memorials etc. Cult.
I attended the Memorial once about 3 years ago. I was asked to attend in order to learn more about JW's. They read verses from the bible as if they were just trying to get through it so they could go home. I was expecting a time at the end for questions or comments, but it didn't happen. When it was over, there was no social part, no refreshments or hospitality. The message I remember was an encouragement to members to attend Bible studies. It sounded like there were many members who weren't showing up regularly. I just learned that this Kingdom Hall has been sold and members now have to travel about 20 miles in order to meet in a "consolidated" community. My experience of the Memorial was that it was boring.
Yes it is extremely boring and uninspirational
That will be my first not-to-go Memorial this time after 18 years of regular attending..... It's a strange feeling. But its not my first step overcoming the exit from the swamp, so I will stand it.
Harley Davidson corp - it feels cleansing after it’s over. The next day you feel awesome.
@@loriswitala3628 yes, dear! Thank you! I do.
My mom came by my house and dropped off to memorial invitations one for me and my wife and 1 separate for my 8 year old daughter. She did not even knock on the door and I sat inside watching her. What a disgrace
Disrespectful.
yeah and probably counted her drive as well.
How sad!
little update i just got home from work and i saw another invitation sitting on the counter and i asked my wife where it came from and she said her uncle sent it to us in the mail from florida with the correct congergation to attend. thats crazy
You are to honor your mother and your father , Jesus Christ said , but your not denying your mom your denying Jesus Christ ,
Great video Lloyd! I think you explained it very well so that people who are not familiar with JW's can understand the Memorial. Thanks for this!
OMG I just had a memory of taking my ‘worldly’ Catholic girlfriend to the memorial, and whispering “do not take anything” and she’s like “this is nuts! Why not? This is what we do!”
The memorial is a recruitment tool. In fact, after funeral services, it's Watchtower's no. 1 tool.
They would have more credibility if they gave no focus to recruitment and majored on remembrance.
At 1 Corinthians 11:26, Paul clearly indicates that, by eating the bread and drinking the wine, Christians declare Jesus sacrifice, until His coming. The question is, if WT teaches that Jesus came in 1914( although invisibly) why do they still have the Memorial?
I literally just realized that last night!
Louis Cassar good point!
Because there are still about 4000 of the 144k alive on earth according to the Scotchtower!
Good point!
Exactly!!!!!
Years ago I had my now ex-girlfriend go with me in 2006. She was Lutheran, and horrified at what she beheld, the emblems being passed without consumption. I begged her not to partake. She said she wasn't sure if she could do that, as it would be denying the Lord. As the bread was passed, she held it, passed it, and crossed herself. Did the same with the wine. I shouldn't have put her through that, God forgive me.
Thanks Loyd Definitely food for thought and right on point as always!
This is going to be the first year that I will have the pleasure of not going to the memorial, me and my family.
Sifting time.....angels gathering the weed to destroy! Please attend?
@@johanviviers4brightupyourd999 can we all gather weed?
@21:09 I always dreaded passing the wine, because I was afraid if I dropped it, would the ground swallow me up 🤭😂
😂😂😂😂
“Keep doing this in remembrance of me” but wait not you.
Linda Thomas 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤓😎
I always say that partakers are just people beginning to wake up. Depending on each person's circumstances, they could stay asleep indefinitely but it appears the opposite is happening. People are leaving in droves and waking up.
Candice Lambert sending you a big hug!
This is the first year I won’t attend fully awoken. Years past I went out of respect even though I wasn’t physically in, other years I didn’t go as I didn’t want to be a hypocrite and attend one meeting only and felt that was more respectful. I was baptised in 1979 and this year I choose not to attend not only being physically out but mentally out. But I admit I still felt slightly guilty throwing the invite into the bin. Go figure, the indoctrination runs deep and I felt sorry for the ones who had put it into my letter box remembering my years past doing the same. To all of us not attending I lift my glass 🍷
Shona Ford Cheers! 👍🍷
Incidentally the memorial takes place on the same day has Passover. Although I have noticed in the past the memorial may be different from Passover by a day or two. Why they are apparently better qualified to determine Nisan 14 better than Jewish Scholars I don't know.
Absolutely no. We don't believe in such a thing anymore. Besides, We lost our baby on April 19 last year and that is who I want to commemorate on that date
Sandy Mommy I’m very sorry for your loss
My daughter died 10 years ago and I used to go hoping she will come back in the new system.
Sorry for your loss. Both of you. I am sorry for the false hope of the resurrection of your loved ones. 🥀
Zoe F thank you
I'm so sorry Sandy. Sending love to you.
It's the JW equivalent to the Oscars! Everyone is invited and they are all very judgy about what you wear, your make up and hair.
Oh wow! That’s a good one! I had forgotten that part! The “memorial” is the “red carpet” of the JWs... even men care about buying the best suit they can afford.
And, the award for best female elder goes to........ Oh, we don't have any.
Never been invited back EVER in 34 years shit I must be bad 😂😂😂
It's a poor man's Easter without the candy.
Good timing, the video apered just a minute after i got a text invetasion from my mother with that page linked. Even 15 years after i steped out she still tryes.
T sending you a big hug!
Me too! Out 20 years and my mother texted me. They also gave my phone # to a JW. She gave them my address some time back! I had a prodigal son DVD left at my door. It was absolutely ridiculous!
You have a caring mother praying for you! How will you feel if she die and you never CAN hear from her again?
T , low blow. Of course she loves her mother. She just doesn't want her address given to a third party without her permission. Hee mom should respect her privacy.
Cherie Ormsby 😂a prodigal son DVD? Thats taking it too far!
Nope never going back !!
That doesn't mean you don't have to go in repast for Jesus Christ , you can go anywhere were for his day, by not going is like saying you don't care what he went through , and your denying him , 😢
liand pg - nope, not for me. I’ve been at, or studied with, almost every other ‘christian’ religion. Seeking. I left JW because they were majorly wrong and ended up finding all those other Christian religions also majorly wrong. There isn’t one out there that lacks the grip of satan. Why would I want to go just anywhere else under that grip? So you didn’t go one year? You think Jesus is gonna be mad at you for making sure of all things? Study first! Don’t just go anywhere. You have no idea what you’d be walking in on.
@@loriswitala3628 you also could have done it in your house , just to honor Jesus Christ , I did in my own house , I understand you it's not religion that save you , it was Jesus Christ , God bless you ,
Was so close to going last night, but just followed my gut instinct and stayed home, drank some wine tho 🍷
I did receive one of those in my doorway. Luckily I wasn't home. LOL I've been df'd for 11 years now.
Jael Landrie Sending you a big hug!
They never stop stalking ex JW's.
They are always stalking ex JW's.
You deny Jesus Christ not them , lady
JESUS CHRIST TOLD HIS DISCIPLES IF YOU GO TO SOME ONE,S HOUSE AND THEY REFUSE TO BELIEVE , TURN AROUND DUST YOUR FEET AND WALK AWAY , , WHAT WOULD YOU DO , IF WHEN HE COME,S AND TELL ALL THOSE WHAT DID I DO against YOU TO DE NY ME,
Can't go. Give a family member a foot in the door and they will never let up.
I always remember how awkward it was to sit there and go through this whole ritual of "don't you dare touch the bread or wine" and passing it on like it was a bomb ticking away ready to go off any second. Every one was clearly uncomfortable, it was never a happy occasion. Most of us probably knew about what Christ said to do, yet we were not allowed to actually do, what he said he wanted us to do. Sooooooo weird!!
Clearly the main reason for this ritual put on by the Borg, for the Borg is to recruit new members (hopefully they are going through really hard times and are vulnerable)!! Face it......it's the easiest way to get unsuspecting people into the hall and start the brainwashing.
Sad But True You've articulated it all accurately! 👍
I went through this a few years ago !!
Passed the bread, even when ld taken it in my church before!!!
Had to take alot of pictures with whoever, had taken me there ,for there records !!!
Had a lot of questions about everything that did not make sense !!!
Was referred to a shifty looking elder ,who spent his time avoiding me ,who was really illiterate and rich !!
I'd felt really privellaged for this invite !! But at the end of avery wet stuff night , I never thought of going through that bizzare spectacle again !!!
I always found that memorial ritual ridiculous, specially the last bit when the speaker and servants pass the emblems to each other
Great video Loyd😁
Mums going tomorrow...in spite of things I showed her.. she's not baptized as yet.....it does worry me but it's her choice..🙂
is she still in?
I am 14 and the day of memorial (4/19/19) is when I told my family I dont wont to do this anymore. I have officially woken up
Wow you are very brave
Better now then later. Good choice!
Yay! I did it! I have attended and survived The Lord's Evening Supper 2019!
Background: I'm not a Jehovah's Witness, never have been, never will be. Nor do I have any Witnesses in my family. But here in secular Scandinavia, wacky fundamentalists are pretty rare, yet they are obviously far more interesting and amusing than bland lame-duck mainstream 'Christianity'. So from a distinctly skeptical perspective, I've been paying attention to the Watchtower movement for decades.
I was at the memorial ONCE before, at some point in the nineties. As I remember the speech, it was mainly about Everything Christendom Does Wrong as regards communion. I wondered if they had updated the program after so many years.
All right, I have no invitation, when do they start? Since I have actually read tons of Watchtower books and magazines (as a kind of half-entertaining fantasy literature), I know they are supposed to be celebrating the Lord's Evening Supper on Nisan 14 according to the Jewish calendar. And the Jewish day begins at SUNSET, not at midnight. Okay, I find that in my area (near Bergen on the western coast of Norway) the sun sets at 9.32 this particular evening. They'll probably start their meeting around 9.30, then.
Shortly before 9: I put on some reasonably nice clothing not to stand out too much. No tie, though. We draw the line at ties.
9.15: I arrive at Kingdom Hall. Whaaat, they seem to be well into the program already! IT'S STILL ONLY NISAN 13, FOLKS! You are cheating!
I sneak in and find a seat at the absolute back. Probably for the best that I'm running late. They barely noticed that I came. I probably avoided much embarrassing love bombing that way.
I've brought pen and paper to make notes about the unfolding ritual.
From the outline Lloyd describes in the video, I can tell that the speaker is done with the first two points, and we reach 'Who benefits?' at 9.21. Now he is supposed to spend ten minutes talking about this. If he keeps to the schedule, sunset and Nisan 14 will be one minute away when he is done. Then, after the briefest of pauses, it will be the correct Jewish date and they can start not eating bread and decline to drink wine.
9.31: We are at the verge of Nisan 14, and the ten minutes of the outline have passed, but the speaker is still prattling on about 'Who benefits?' A guy not far from my seat pops a chewing-gum into his mouth. Can he really be a Witness? He has a BEARD, goddammit, and I wonder if Tony Morris wouldn't find his pants overly tight.
Somewhere a baby is crying, but apparently outside; Mom has wisely brought junior out of the Hall.
There are also several toddlers present, none of whom seems to give a damn about what the speaker is saying, understandably enough. But young though they are, they have already learnt to only whisper when in the Hall.
9.34: Nisan 14 is two minutes old and the speaker reaches the point 'Who partakes of the bread and wine?' The people attending are duly reminded that if they are even the slightest bit uncertain about whether they have a heavenly calling, FORGET ABOUT IT, and don't you even think about touching that bread and wine! He managed to put it more nicely, of course.
9.38: Prayer before the bread is passed around. Everybody, actually including Bearded Guy, bows their head and closes their eyes. I have the feeling that the entire room, except me, has gone temporarily blind.
The rather unappetizing bread is passed around. Luckily nobody has to actually eat it.
9.44: Prayer before the wine. Everybody goes blind again.
Some glasses of wine are passed around. The speaker editorializes about how the red wine is only symbolic of blood; ACTUAL blood is strictly forbidden for Christians. Yeah, we know.
'No, I'm driving,' I whisper as the glass passes me.
9.50: The main ceremony is over. The speaker announces that we'll be singing Song #14. 'Don't you mean 18?' another elder corrects him from the back of the Hall. Yes, it turns out that 18 was the right one. Sorry about that.
Kingdom karaoke! The lyrics are shown on a big screen, prerecorded music is played, and the people of the congregation stand up to (very feebly) sing. I remain seated. The lyrics must surely be a bold attempt to recreate some English original in Norwegian, and still make it rhyme. All in all, the results are ... not entirely disastrous.
The speaker, who has been talking about all the wonderful stuff that lies in the future (at least if you are a Witness), points out: 'Maybe you think it is difficult to believe that this is real.' Yeah, such a sentiment admittedly did occur to me.
10.01: Rambling final prayer, nice example of stream of consciousness. The meeting is ended and shortly afterwards many of the people present discover me. Attempted love-bombing ensues. Time to pull out.
And that, ladies and gentlemen, was my impression of the Lord's Evening Supper 2019!
Along with the printed invitation they show a short video basically showing everyone refusing the emblems as they are being passed around.
Really? Wouldn't be surprised if they televise the governing body partaking eventually. Then everyone claps at how wonderful they are.
@Bradley Lauzon me too. Things were a lot different in the 80s. I was naive, gullible and nobody ever told me about the 1975 thing. Never knew who the governing body was. I thought it all sounded so wonderful, Paradise Earth, no more troubles! All lies! Been out for 15 years
Stay awake, stand firm, fade alrighty Ugh! Perish the thought!
Who Said What - LOL,
Stay awake, stand firm, fade alrighty - yes, show us the GB partaking!! We can all watch them start to glow with that heavenly aura! I watched enough ppl from my past congregation literally worship those GB members along with the so called anointed. I even called them out on their behavior.
Video preliked :) I my wife and daughter have faded over this last year, even tho there is Immense pressure and threats from family. Unfortunately I think not attending Is going to cause a lot of problems. But oh well time to get shunned I guess :)
Congrats!🎉🍾🎈 Enjoy your freedom!
I am going to have a big problem with my family too. But to be honest I don’t care anymore
Joshua Mcclelland I attended last year because I was fading and just wanted to appease my spouse. I felt so depressed afterwards. I vowed never to do that again. I expect to start getting shunned after the memorial too.
Joshua Mcclelland Sending you a big hug. If you did go it gives them an excuse to keep hounding you. It puts you on their radar. I've been out for decades. They forget after awhile and treat you "as one of the nations".
You're damned if you do or don't. If we go everyone gets to think we are still mentally in and just "weak". If we don't people will think we've really lost our way and are bad association.
Never crossed my mind to attend.
Memorial is another info-merial for W.T.Corp.
So very true!
They spend more time talking about their version of paradise than Jesus Christ!
I would never go to a horrible event like that.
Yes! Like every funeral is, too. Which I find to be a terrible faux pas.
Hi!here from argentina.it's so difficult to deal with family.I woke up today with a messege from my mother.sending me the invitation with an audio saying taht it 's her right to invite me to the memorial and she was almost crying...yeah...she was applying guilt on me...she has always done that with me.I dont care that anymore....I appreciate your videos!see you!
One memorial, a high ranking elders' daughter was sitting behind us. We all heard her say,"pass me them cookies!". We all couldn't help but laugh. We couldn't stop laughing. That elder was humiliated because he was used to everyone being afraid to upset him. It was the most fun my family ever had at the khall. We were the family excluded from after memorial get togethers.
Meryl Barnes pass me them cookies. Hilarious! I bet the daughter got an earful when they got home.
@@sofiamorgan6644 I wish I could have heard that conversation.
Went to my AA meeting this evening, in stead...I'm sad to report I missed brother Morris there again.. Thank you for a video reminding me that I made the healthiest choice Loyd! Lol Had my first shepherding call in 10 years last sat., and being disfellow shipped... I think they were here to invite my new family to the memoriaI. I felt confident to share Deuteronomy 18:20-22 and Jeramiah 17:5 when asked if I put my trust in the faithful discreet slave twice.. Thanks for your inlighting videos from the Fancher Family 💙
I wanted them to come to my house! I have questions. I remember field service as a teen. I’d work with my friend and go to doors, pretend to press the doorbell. Then leave. We had a lot of not at homes.
Gary H same here!🤭
Same!
Im going because my husband is going and bringing my son and i go where he goes, but im super anxious about going because i know the truth about Jesus. I love my husband and want to support my husband no matter what he decides. He goes to church with me and supports me. Jesus knows how I feel about him. I have done communion already.
April Sealy be careful. Don’t loose who you are in all of this. 🙂
April, there's nothing wrong of being super anxious about attending it, go and find out the truth yourself.
If you don't mind me saying April, don't be drawn in when witnesses tell you that if you attend meeting you still see your dead loved ones again.
Jesus alone is my mediator and truth. Not men in New York. He is always in my field of vision now and no one can take that love from me. Jesus didn't give up on me. He doesn't give up on people. That isn't truth to say you have fallen from God's grace if you are no longer a part of the organization. I never was baptized because I didn't have the heart to lose my family over an interpretation. I questioned the teachings and did more research. I could never shun my own child.
@@aprilsealy357
Awesome that you have a mind of your own and strength of spirit. Inspirational for sure.
I received that invitation on my door yesterday! I feel so special.
Missing my 13th memorial! I feel sorry for those who are duped into going.
I am happy to say at the age of 15 i am not going to any more with my mum being a strict jw. This channel at exjwanalizer has helped me get a grip and leave!
How are you going to do it if you're young?
@@asielmilian38 i am currently having issues with my mum and so far i have missed around 6 months straight of meetings.
@@asielmilian38 refuse and act super sick refuse. Even when it's time to go to the kingdom hall just sleep I'm telling you they will leave you they can't force you I mean you're not baptized and God in the Bible says you can choose for yourself
@@Osindileyo I hope things go well.
@@lindelwanothandongcobo8863 that's true.
So if I'm not suppose to partake the bread and/wine then what's the point of
1) Me being there?
2) Bringing the stuff to me anyways?
Lol super good point. Wow.
Hahahahaha. Good point!
You know, I have been thinking that probably they do not process what really is going on.
There’s a lot of thinking done by others, not by the regular JWs.
I guess it’s hard to think by yourself ... 😞
Jacob Hernandez great point! Everyone Jesus was talking to was anointed so why bug everyone else?! So many loopholes
Exactly. That's been my reasoning pretty much for the last six JW memorials.
I must admit it feels strange not going.But I now know it's all FALSE no I'm not going .
k Hilpembry I’ve been out for 11 months now! Lots of firsts for me! First missed Memorial in 33 years! No pain there, now that I know the truth about the truth! 😌
Thank you, Lloyd!
I did get that invitation, in Spanish. When the JWs said I spoke really great Spanish, and asked how I learned it, I said, “I used to do missionary work.”
They were deeply surprised!
I didn’t mention with WHOM I did missionary work. 😂
Too bad I couldn’t think of ONE THING TO SAY, after that, to give testimony to them. I know they won’t hear me anyway. But I’m frustrated that I FROZE UP!
@@CarolineJoyAmico Thats a tough situation to be in. Dont be frustrated
JESUS CHRIST MORAL DAY IS NOT FALSE , YOUR PEOPLE HAVE NO RESPECT FOR JESUS CHRIST AT ALL , KEEP YOUR CRITICIZING OUT FOR HIS DAY ,
If you choose not to believe in Jesus Christ memorial day , that.s you mistake , your denying him , how sad , for all who don't care what pain Jesus Christ went through ,
Had woman & her teenage daughter stop by with invite but told her I could not attend as they do not partake so are not following a Jesus’s command to keep doing this but she said that was only for his apostles, which I said no that is not what the Bible states that is just the JW trying to put a few men as means of salvation rather than Christ. Told her she needs to read the Bible without the Watchtower, to which she again extended invitation...apparently not listening to anything I had just said. I looked at her and said why would I come and not partake so no I would not consider coming as it is not according to scripture and please read your bible as she turned to leave she said that she does read the Bible to which I replied if you did you would follow his commandments to partake. Don’t think she will be back as they have not come in my neighborhood since moving her last November
Well said. Because when Jesus commanded the great commission. All new converts are disciples. Said as much when he said continue making disciples. So yes, all Christians should be partaking.
I've nothing against Americans but God is not partial and it seems to me 139,000 will taken from America. 1 from Bangladesh 0 from Saudi Arabia 3 from Brunei. Doesn't seem like a diverse heavenly government.
Like the GB all white apart from...can’t remember his name....plus not one woman in 144000...yeah makes perfect sense
Mike Spilligan ✅
Annette Haas ✅
In the literature, all the 144000 and all the angels are white males.
God hate diversity.
There is a lot of homosexuality in heaven as well. Lots of white angels dudes getting it on in heaven.
Zoe F Yet JWs are homophobes.
Oh shit. Lloyd has the memorial talk outline.
LOL
It’s very brave what you do and I appreciate your videos. I’m not attending the memorial this year even though my family is pushing me to go. I’m in the middle. I’ve been inactive for two years but haven’t committed to leaving because I don’t want to be completely shunned from my family. I won’t ever go back but it’s very hard to renounce so that’s why I felt the need to comment.
I invite everyone to make their own MEME with a glass of Whiskey in honor of Tony and post it on social media tomorrow.
Not to honour Tony, but to commemorate his favoured alcoholic drink ;)
sounds funny and epic:)
Great idea!
Efrain Rivera Junior - oops! I forgot. Well, I had one shot, but I forgot to toast Tony with it.
And I am telling you, I'm not going.
Classic song
I'm always singing that!! 😂😂😂😂🤗🤗🤗
Yeah, i remember that song and the title is the appropriate answer to this video's title. Memorial here is over and we did not attend.
I sang that in my head,lol!
@@joshdaley3019 like Drive by The Cars.. who's gonna drive you home?
Once again I’ve heard they’re spouting that this WILL be the LAST memorial. I though last year was supposed to be!! Haha!!
If there realy was a guy named Jesus who instituted a memorial celebration, he kept it small and limited to intimate associates and it certainly wasn't a "come one come all" event. Even the later Bible writer such as the supposed apostle paul didnt write anything about inviting spectators to such an event. It sure is funny when you bring this to their attention!
Bret Powers Did you have an experience with this argument? At the door?
simplechicful yes I have had this discussion with many ever since I left the organization in 2014. I simply point out that in matthew 26 and Luke 22 he picked a private place alone with his disciples and it was intimate, unlike the celebration the JW's do where people are invited to observe! I point out that there is no scriptual basis for such a observance and that it should be an intimate situation and not an event for a head count. I used to ask brothers and sisters questions around the memorial season when I was still a JW elder, why we included people in this observance when Jesus didnt and neither did his disciples after him for centuries and most would say "I never really thought of it like that but I see your point", this really never sank in for any past an aha moment.
Bret Powers Well you have a great point and I'll remember this one for future reference. Thank you for sharing this
Excellent point. Should really be closed and intimate not a public spectacle. I do recall that's how it was done at the church I was raised in before I joined the JWs. Only baptised and "in-fellowship" ones went to this special service they called "the breaking of bread" or "Communion" or "the Lord's Supper"
I'll never forget how one of my non-JW friends said that JWs nod at the bread and wine.
Also, in the rural US, an elder's wife would make the bread instead of buying store-bought matzah.
I got my invitation but is a big NO
I am sad I didn't get an invitation this year. I was looking forward in de witnessing.
You dont have to be invited inorder to attend, you just have to turn up to any JW Kingdom hall near you for this Memorial event.
I don’t attend black masses or sales pitches for high control groups which want to suppress free thought. Jesus said if the son sets you free you are free indeed. As a Christian I’ll be partaking of the body and blood of my savior on the blessed resurrection day of Easter. Thanks be to God!
Thanks Lloyd.
"keep doing this in remembrance of me" Do the JW's never ask: "do what?" Sit around and watch a loaf of bread and a wine goblet get passed around? Is this what Jesus taught?
Didn't He say: "Drink of it, ALL of you."?
I went to the Memorial here in Denmark (for my wife) but this year there were empty seats, I didn't see any visitors. I think attending will be down this year, well I hope.
Someone in the comments claim that memorial attendance this year will be up by 2 million. Last year was 20 million
I met a friend this year after a terrible life event- I was vulnerable and she was kind to me. Walked right into Bible Study, she then pulled me in rather quickly into meeting other members, and going to meetings- even had me meet the CO's wife. Who she, even pressured to pressure me to attend both the Tuesday meetings, not just Sunday.
It then came near the time of the memorial- three days before- a family member died. I told her I wouldn't be able to go because I had to be there for my family.
I was pressured that "This is the MOST important day of the year. THEE DAY. You *can't* miss it." I insisted, I couldn't.
The day of the memorial- she was texting me hours before trying to get me to go.
Afterwards, I was guilted very openly about not going,
I live in a apt complex, this is the first year no one came around leaving invitations in the door. in fact hardly see jws going door to door . Used to see them on Saturday morning, but no more.
Weird.
Me too, I received no invitation in my mailbox in the apt complex I live and I didn't see any witnesses preaching in my street for a long time. Hallelujah!
@@frikandelthaisaus I'm guessing they don't do it in apt complex.
True no door to door preaching where I am either. Though carts in the town centre. 🤔
It is. I live in a major city and haven't had a JW at my door for years. Barely see any carts also.🤔
Well, I'm still currently going later tonight in PH, since I'm PIMO. This will be my last memorial.
Good luck
JW s are nice people,Ex JW s are even nicer. There's some great comments on here and this is the greatest channel
Exjws are by far nicer. Even a lot of "worldly" ppl are nicer than the nicest JW. From what I've seen and experienced.
Reading that in an Adam Sandler voice makes this comment dubious, but genuine.
It's also interesting that if people (ex-JW's) will attend the Memorial and partake of the emblems, that their attendance will be counted but their partaking not. Only JW's in good standing who partake of the emblems are counted as partakers and end up in the statistics.
I am not going, will be the first time in 30 years I don't attend. I don't feel anything for not going, for me it's just another day.
Thank you Lloyd, you really helped me out on this one.
My boyfriend for 16 yrs (+11y/o son) are a family and my bf's mom is a jw.
She invited us for many years to the memorial and we never joined her for my bf left and was therefore at the time treated like a piece of **** by his own family.
It seems like it's not the time.
Alltough his mom faces multiple issues which my bf and 2 more ex jw, of former 5 jw children of hers take care of any of these.
Financial support as well as mental, we look after her and make regular calls etc.
She feels she's annointed and therefore only drinks water and denies new age medication, which is hard to take for she suffers arthrosis and is in pain a lot.
I once made her celery salt supplement from my garden and she rejected it for she thinks I am a witch.
It is very difficult to get along. I always felt the need to join her invite to the memorial but false hope is worse than honest compassion even if she cannot view it as such.
I will stick to my honest intention towards her, maybe some day she will accept my help.
My husband went to memorial tonight to keep the peace with family. He said at the end of the talk, the elder said: "the end is here". He was so angry he actually started shaking. So good news folks. Seems the end has finally turned and came around that corner. SMH.
I do think it is interesting that part of the talk is very specific instructions on who are to partake and who are not. No doubt to bring back down the number of partakers that has increased each year.
We have a friend who left long before us and she still attended the memorial and the conventions. Once we left and explained why, she stopped. Now her mom is guilty tripping her to go to the Memorial and to keep the peace, she’s going. I understand, but I think, in this case, it’s a bad idea. She’s giving her mom false hope and now that she’s going to the Memorial, she’ll ask her to go to the special talk. It won’t end. This is an almost 5o year old woman. It’s time to move on. Her mom expects her to give, but in true JW fashion, they won’t give back. She’s giving herself 50 birthday party on Saturday and her mom will certainly not go. But as for me and my household, we’re going to party. Great video as always!!!
GuillermoVilla, JW parents have issues with trying to control their adult “children.”
Sarah M. Very true!
Last year I sat there debunking in my mind (with scriptures) so many points the speaker said. The main irk I had was when the speaker said the bible tells us there are two hopes while providing no scriptural backing for the statement. And I immediately thought of this one:
Eph 4:4 "One body there is, and one spirit, just as you were called to the one hope of your calling; 5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism; 6 one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all." Ie there is ONE HOPE.
I'm not going to sit through that again. As sad and confronting it will be for my family that are in, I just can't put myself through that again.
Watched this video to refresh my memory. Tomorrow I’m going to the memorial at my parents home through Zoom.
My plan is when the recruit talk starts, I’m going to 🚽.
Haven’t been to the memorial at 22 years. I’m only going to make my old sick father happy.
And he knows that. Then he said to me, after the memorial we will drink up the wine, haha
Thank you again for the video;)
I have a dissociative disorder. The last witness related event I ever went to was a memorial. Due to a bunch of things, I had an episode. Luckily, most everyone thought it was just a panick attack. I would not want to repeat the experience
26:33 - 27:35 I can definitely relate. It’s the very reason I went along for this year’s memorial.
Great it's on Good Friday
Ephesians 2 v11 to 19
Open my eyes
No more religion no more organization a relationship with jesus it's all I need I will have my memorial at home with my family
Lloyd I just emailed you regarding JW’s and the hiring of Law Enforcement for their Memorial Celebration. Very telling info.
Good video, also for never in’s who might be interested in going. Also the camera audio reveals how spoiled we are with your usual audio quality 😉
Come watch us pass around crackers and wine. What is the point in doing that? I'm just learning what JWs believe and it leaves me scratching my head. It is so different from what the Bible says. Thank you for this explanation.
Spectator sport! Lol.
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Mom wants me to go very very difficult decision 🙁
Don't go
Its a very easy decision to make, two points;
1 - Be honest to yourself and
2 - Go with you guts instinct.
Fun to see Mike in Croatia.
I haven’t been to a meeting in almost half a year but tonight I promised my dad I’d go to the memorial, I told my boss I’d have to get off 30 min early and because of it I missed out an a shit ton of tips from the tables I was waiting when someone else took them over, I got my revenge tho by holding my middle finger high in the air during each prayer for the bread and the wine when everyone’s eyes were shut
and after the meeting went and stole some of the unleavened bread and ate it in the car,
Thug life
Wow you must of read my mind
Be repared to be assimilated we are the borg !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.
Resistance is futile!!!
I'm not going...I have had several emails. They are just thinking that they are saving me. BUT I'm already saved
It's my first time not going in 32 years just like another person commented. I bought my matzos and grape juice and apologized to Jesus for rejecting him, and read John chapter 6...he clearly said to partake. I feel so good partaking! Best "Memorial" ever!
Actually the main reason I'm not honouring the many invites is that I don't want to add to the no.
That no. , to me, is representative of those who are interested in the org.
If it's high it reinforces their ideas
I'm one less person going 🙌🏿
Wow, just scrolling through the comments and I'm relieved at how many jws are leaving the organization.
It seems like there's more leaving today than ever before.
My answer: definitely not going
Saw the title of this video and immediately screamed nooooo. It’s a reflex. But seriously any time I’ve gone to a meeting for my mom, it’s just made her angrier.
Can one ask for a second glass of wine?
Jusy reminded me of an elderly man who partook when i was young. And i remember asking how he knew? He was anointed and the story was an angel came and told him.
The Memorial was always so boring‼️ The only thing I liked about it was going out to dinner afterwards‼️😆 😋
Aka PerezAnd the new outfits! It was our Easter. Lol
@@sofiamorgan6644 : Unfortunately, for a while, I was one of the JW'S that lost my flair for fashion after my baptism. Only Christian approved clothing for me‼️ 😆👍I did draw the line though when I was encouraged to wear Dr.
Scholl's shoes‼️🤣...LOL
Amen!
Hey Lloyd another great video. Just wanted to point out that at 19:35 you said "heavenly" when the text says "earthly." Might I suggest reading The Sacred Mushroom and the Cross by John Allegro? I think you will find it of great interest as I did.
Lloyd somehow I knew you would have gotten your grubby little hands on the Memorial Talk Outline before the event. May God help your soul LOL 😂😂😂
Decades ago when my Mom studied with JWs, we attended a Memorial. It was weird to us that no one in the Hall drank the wine or ate the bread.
12:07 - Thank You!!! You know how many Witnesses argue with me saying that this is not true. They themselves don't even know what is it that they are supposed to believe.
I never knew this