My daughter was sexually abused by a fellow witness in 2001. We went right to the authorities , not to the elders. He admitted what he had done and spent 7 years in jail. Also disfellowshiped. As a parent Im not sure why you wouldn't call the authorities right away. We were never shamed for calling them first.
It varies in different locations and congregations. Local elders dictate peoples lives in many cases, with their individual personalities. It can be a complete roll of the dice, based on where you live at the time or which elders you get "involved with"
Becky Rose what about children who are molested by their own fathers whom are elders. I can tell you for a fact that watchtower did NOTHING and whom do you think the child would report it to? A young Wittnesses gurl is not going to talk to 3 men. That’s what happens and even at age 50 it was difficult to tell 3 men. As a witness we were always told not to talk to the police because they are from the world. We are told to talk to the elders.
JW-PARENTS ARE COMMANDED TO PUT THEIR KIDS IN LAST PLACE ! If you are a JW-parent, you must blindly accept the doctrines of the corrupt, inept, alcoholic, and evil governing body ― any criticism of the WT by current and former JWs is WRONG. JW-rapists and JW-pedophiles must be protect, at all cost, including the cost of hapless JW-children. Furthermore, if you are a JW-parent, you are commanded to accept that ... The courts are wrong. The Australian commission is wrong. They are all wrong. They are all liars. There are absolutely no rapes, no child pedophilia, no violence, and no abuses. Everything is perfect in all Halls. And if you are a JW-parent, and raise these issues in the congregation, you will be condemned, shunned, ostracized, and excommunicated. And your family will be turned against you. If you go to the authorities, you will be destroyed. In other words ... shut up and put up, and put your kids in last place, because the outside world is lying, and we will destroy your life. Shut up, or you will be made to suffer personal Armageddon, forever. WILLIAM H GATHERCOLE AND NORAH G
2 years ago I committed a sin i told the elders I attended a judicial committee I had to go into the embarrassing details. I was baptised 35 years I wasn't an elder? The outcome I was disfellowsipped! I'm now a POMI physically out mentally in? Since the lockdown there's no way back even if I wanted to?
I was a Jehovah's Witness for 15 yrs. I never felt less appreciated or more useless or never good enough in my whole life. My children from babies onwards never had birthdays or Christmas and I never explained properly to them why not, because I couldn't. I destroyed their childhood and fun as well as my own. My five sons now go overboard on Christmas and birthdays with their own children. I am embarrassed and guilty about what my family went through. I prevented them from playing with children who weren't witnesses and yet other witness children never wanted to associate with my children because my husband was a worldly person who didn't believe. The gain was nothing. The stress was huge and the baggage carried forward is enormous. I'm glad I'm out of it. 21 yrs now and life is easier, but my children are disappointed in me.
Birthdays and holidays are indeed pagan though, JW(though false) are not wrong about everything but overall the truth of the bible is that the Most High chose a people then renewed his covenant with that people , simple as fhag.
You did the best you knew how with what you were programmed to think. Express that to your children so they will give you a break and not persecute you as you are already doing. Your heart was good, but you were brainwashed.
If your children looked up about Christmas they wouldn't have wanted their children to participate in it. My children went overboard on it also.I am not a JW anymore also. I'm more worried about how they taught that there is no literate he'll. Now, as I see prophecy being forfilled right in my face, I'm starting to believe that he'll could possibly be a real place. I had never feared it before. But on a positive note, I have enjoyed praying to and recognizing the importance of the sacrifice of my lord and savior Jesus Christ.
What I always always appreciate so much is your careful research on each topic. You always encourage the viewers to research for themselves, and to me that just shows your true motive, which is to educate people and keep them from needlessly suffering at the hands of this cult. Thank you for everything you do. This is an absolutely brilliant video that I will save and share with friends. If anyone is studying with the witnesses I urge you to please, please take these issues seriously into consideration and research it for yourself. Everything presented here is 100% accurate.
1. I know an elder, decades ago, who committed adultery with another sister in the congregation. She had confessed but he never did. He kept his elder privileges, gave public talks in other Kingdom Halls, for decades. There were some elders though, who never invited that adulterous brother to give a talk in their K Halls. 2. When I left my ex husband on our wedding anniversary, in 2003, I had an elder's meeting with 2 elders, and they showed me a volume, I said I've read it, showed me another volume article, I said I've read it. So that is all that they had to say. I waited another 3 years to have another elders meeting with my ex husband, after I had got a legal divorce and had it sent to him. I was livid about my ex having a part on a circuit assembly, when he should not have had any privilege at all!! He has never been disciplined like he should have been. He had admitted to reviling me and the kids for over 22 years and yet he only got a slap on the hand. Every time I had wanted to get results, I ran into a brick wall. The elders are just a boys' club that relish being the leaders over the congregation of sheep and women. I'm so disgusted with them. I had got the no-fault divorce after 3 years of separation, because my ex had fraudulently borrowed money from numerous people in the congregation and outside of it, and used it as an "investment" meaning that he lived on the money and never paid the people back. I had done research in the publications of JWs, and thus got my legal divorce because I had not wanted to owe anyone money that he had got. The elders had told me that I must be faithful to Jehovah and stay single and no sex. I did for 8 years and then had an affair. The elders said that I had to tell my ex about it. I said, "You gotta be kidding!" So I told the ex via emails to mainland China, and he of course, belittled me and said that I was a "fornicating adulteress", and would die at Armageddon. Whatever, I thought. I feel free now more than ever and I realize why my ex was never punished. The governing body and most of the men, can go to hell!
Sadly this is more common than many JWs think. My ex brother in law remained an elder after visiting prostitutes over a 10 year period. My sister divorced him and was reviled by the congregation who assumed it was her sin!!! All that time he was supposedly being blessed by Jehoover. You are so right that it is a woman hating organisation.
@@JillyC5 That is horrific!! It's sickening how some in a congregation will gossip, judge and play the judge on others. And yet they are all in "good standing." Not by Jah's standards. Give your sister a hug for me.
@@JillyC5 Oh my!! Give it time. It took me decades of mistreatment before I woke up. Red flags we see don't go away. They eat at us. Eventually you will have to comfort her when the organization goes down!
I've done a lot of my own research, Lloyd, and yet you still manage to find fascinating facts that continue to leave me dumbfounded. Very interesting. Thanks again for your diligence!
I'm currently a witness but these videos are great! I appreciate freedom of information which unfortunately isn't at the fore of the organisation keep going new sub
@@jdsthird lol... dont get caught?!?? .. hey you .. dont drag this person also to the hell..;;; and why do you even watch these videos if you are so faithful... just think by your own self what is right and what is the wrong.. god gave you a brain not to waste like this sister or brother.. you know so well the truth of this TRUTH you know it !! So why are you being a coward.....
@@erenjeager4369 he's warning him because of what they can do. They like to make people extremely codependent down to the point where they get them to work at the same companies and can easily get them fired... also you could be completely cut off from your family and you don't know the age of this person. There are reasons it could be difficult or dangerous.... but you also have a very good point living a lie is not good, but that doesn't mean everyone's at a point where they can be honest and if you don't think the Watchtower has people watching Jehovah's Witnesses online... Your very wrong... Cults do that
Regarding 1975, I was in my early twenties in the build up to that year. Not once did they write an article or make any announcements regarding the so called “fact” that it was only “some” over-zealous witnesses who got the wrong idea. Rather they praised the ones who sold their homes or quit their jobs to go and pioneer. There was a brother in my congregation who had a family, wife and three children. He sold his home to pioneer but later had to start all over again. He is now in his eighties, his wife is on hospice care waiting to die. He apparently is so depressed at the idea of losing his wife. The paradise definitely did not come in his lifetime. Very sad. It proves that the “slave” was neither faithful nor discreet.
@@phantomlegend6167 Oh man, go on line and research it. You will find a ton of information on it. Stay Alive Until 75. Yep, even the talks from the podium. It's all out there, all you need do, is look for it.
It’s definitely in writing. Can’t get it off their website anymore. But if it wasn’t true why applaud people who sold their homes and not take a clear stand against it.
Jimbo Baggans Fred Franz from the 1975 yearbook on 1975 said: “You have noticed the chart [on pages 31-35 in the book Life Everlasting-in Freedom of the Sons of God]. It shows that 6,000 years of human experience will end in 1975, about nine years from now. What does that mean? Does it mean that God's rest day began 4026 B.C.E.? It could have. The Life Everlasting book does not say it did not. The book merely presents the chronology. You can accept it or reject it. . . . What about the year 1975? What is it going to mean, dear friends?' Does it mean that Armageddon is going to be finished, with Satan bound, by 1975? It could! It could! All things are possible with God. Does it mean that Babylon the Great is going to go down by 1975? It could. Does it mean that the attack of Gog of Magog is going to be made on Jehovah's witnesses to wipe them out, then Gog himself will be put out of action? It could. But we are not saying. All things are possible with God. But we are not saying. And don't any of you be specific in saying anything that is going to happen between now and 1975.'"
@@NickHawaii - and in WT July 15th 2013 there's 2 articles "Tell Us, When..." admits that Armageddon comes AFTER the Great Tribulation and the GT has never happened - also shows a Chart and item #19 which reviews the 3 ERRORS WT made - 'Who Really Is the F&D Slave" demotes the Rank & File Anointed to Domestics so they can never again comment, discuss or Question WT and their errors again - biggest mistake WT ever made was telling the Anointed that they were the F+D Slave - then 20,000 Partakers wanted to scrutinize WT Doctrine and give advice on Truth most JWs don't realize you have to be ALIVE at Armageddon to be saved by your WT Membership - otherwise you're dead and Judged by your numerous sins without having Jesus as your Mediator = Toast - only 20,000 of 8,000,000 Publishers at the Memorial actually Partake [ or 2 in 800 ] 99% of JWs choose to Live and DIE outside the New Covenant Churches call that a Tragedy - - - Cults call that a Victory
Being open minded is nothing to be ashamed about. But let me give you a little bit of advice or whatever you want to call it. When doing your research on topics concerning Theology, leave your beliefs at the door, but only during the research phase, then when you have the information you want and choose to believe in, put that through the Bible like you would put things through a filter. Anything thats not cohesive with the Bible will be trapped by the filter and what will be left over "*distilled*" is just pure light and knowledge. I hope this makes sense 😅
If they are not leading you to Jesus to receive Him in your heart for the forgiveness of your sins that He died and rose again for, you are being led in the wrong direction. I came out of a life in the world fill with sin and my sin became a heavy weight and with every sin clink another 10lbs. They shame, guilt, remorse regret was to much for me to live with. For a last hope I read the bible and received Jesus into my heart in the N.Y. and He came into my heart and cleansed me of my sin and took and the hurt and pain away and in Him today I have eternal life that no one can take from me. I am a son of God my Father who loves me and I hope every exjw find their way to Him because even though the org are satans org, Jesus is still the way, the truth and the life for every soul who wants new life He made me a new creation in Him where old things have passed away and all things are made new. I also have the joy of having my sin forgiven and the weight of the sin with all other terrible feelings that come with a sinful life are gone forever. I know that I am saved and that I have eternal life because I went through the born again experience and have served Christ in love. I hope you will receive Him some time, because He is waiting for you to open the door of your heart and invite Him inside for the forgiveness of your sin. Your sin most likely was never as the deep sin I came out of, but your need for salvation is as great as mine was, because not even the stain of sin is allowed in His final eternity and Jesus is the only One who can forgive your sin.
Thank you. Thank you 1,000 times over. I've been struggling and expressing it to others wasn't working; no one understood the profundity of the belief system that I was raised with. They can't even sympathize with it. To hear someone (who I was honestly taught to avoid and to fear, I wince at how gullible I was) describe exactly how I was raised, exactly how I feel and- most importantly- how it continues to effect me today means so much to me. Closure is priceless. Thank you for also sharing your sources. I'll never accept something blindly ever again.
As a former JW i didn't understand alot of what i was forced to believe. I was born in and was just brought to meetings and told to accept what i was taught even though as a younger person it didn't make sense. I was beat for not commenting and treated very poorly for not reaching out. This is not a harmless religion it's a dangerous cult. Many born in JW's have no clue why they are there trust me.
I know the exact feeling. I was born in, 3rd generation jw. I was made to feel fear. Fear to question anything. Also to feel quilt for not wanting to do service ministry, talks, answering. I got beat on the memorial cause my mum though I was gonna drink the wine when I only raised the glass to smell it. This cult is fucking disgusting. I hate watchtower so much. They ruined my childhood.
As a Jehovah's witness i find this insulting our religion racist people in this world should be banished/vanished from this world in Armageddon. Thanks to Jehovah we have an amazing appearance and life and amazing people in our lives!
@@WorstEpisodeEverr Thats racist and plus Jehovah gave us life dont you thank him alot also he gave us amazing people in our lives! This teaching proves that Jehovah is real and he answers our prayers! You should thank Jehovah for his hard work aint you glad i bet not Jehovah haters be vanished and BANISHED FROM THIS WORLD
@@imsisay8228 you are so fucking doomed it is actually useless to try and talk reason to you. Enjoy wasting the opportunity of living life as an individual being , i hope in your next reincarnation you won't suffer the same unfortunate fate again.
Ignorance is bliss as they say. All I can do is shake my head at how obedient & loyal I was to this false cult for so many years, disguised as the most loving organisation.
You are not alone. We all feel foolish, but we just need to remember that we are victims of brainwashing, and our human brains are very susceptible to their aggressive tactics
There's no washing at all when you are born inside... You are formatted from birth, with the help of physical punishment, and have to be "humble" because you know nothing as a kid. Of course you are always guilty, never do something good (unless you play the role of a robot...).
I remember my mom telling me that she threw out all her bound volumes. She told me it was because new information had come to light and the old might cause a stumbling block. Its amazing you can actually get people to turn thier brain off.
Should have kept them. They are more accurate. Compare the two and do research with scripture. I gave mine away because of arthritis, too heavy. I regret..
@@liliabenavides4052 You know what cult means? Acts 5 34. Dont believe apostatesm pretrending to be angels of light. I challenged him, pls wait for my reply shld he agrees to my challenge
I lost my best friend to this cult. She had been out of it for 20 years then about 3 months ago she started going again. I'm not sure how she doesn't see the craziness of it. We've been best friends for 9 almost 10 years. During that time she was always a leader never a follower. Then being last year she started going through some rough times. I was by her side every day trying to help her through it. But because of these hard times she started searching for something to make her happy. She started going to Bible study with her grandmother and before I knew it she had jumped whole heartily back into it. Since I am not a witness it started putting a widget in between our friendship. I really hate that things have turned out the way it has. I wish nothing but happiness for her. If she finds happiness in the witness then great but I'm afraid that it's going to turn into a disaster. If it does I'll be here if she needs me. I love her like my sister and hope for nothing but the best for her.
You are a good friend. Sorry for your loss. Please don't follow her by becoming a JW. GO find another friend through community recreational activities.
Thank you all for your kind words and concern. Unfortunately we have not spoken to each other in the last year and a half. I hope she is doing well and can find her way back out of this cult one day. I'll be there if she does to help her through it.
@@RedheadPhoto I'm going through this right now. She started distancing herself from me. She said she knows JW are the truth. We've been friends for 27 years. SO SO SAD!
My ex husband was a disfellowshiped JW when we married. I figured that since he was disfellowshiped the religion would not play into our marriage, boy oh boy was I wrong. He may not have been practicing but he grew up in the church and had been brainwashed. His mother was still in the church and was a special kind of pain in my ass. I learned a valuable lesson. Next time I married I spent 4 year getting to know my husband's family and their religious beliefs. If they had been to far from what I believe I could not have committed to a lifetime with him and his family. We do take on the family when we marry and I got so incredibly lucky second time around!
I never knew I was starving till I found Lloyd Evans! 😄 I can't get enough of your videos. I listen while I clean the house, shower, drive or with headphones late at night! I use to feel so priviledged to belong to the worldwide brotherhood but since I've been shunned I now feel so lucky to belong with all the awaken...we share a bond that you can only understand if you grew up a JW. The Witness world is it's own realm...looking thru the jw bubble from the outside is like screaming at the top of your lungs but they don't hear you. It's only a matter of time before that bubble pops! 💥💦
So true, who else could possibly relate. On the very odd occasion I would mention something to someone at my work & all I got was an unbelieving blank stare.
@@lisajane4330 yes I've gotten the blank stare when I try to explain it to my "worldly" friends or they just shake their heads like wait, what?? I finally got brave enuf just a month ago to research outside the watctower or jw. org...I had no idea there was an entire culture of ex jws going thru my emotions. Feels so good to finally have an outlet and be understood!
@@terrestrialcelestial6516 Good on you. I went through the same thing getting brave/curious enough to research from April 2018, was all such an eye opener.
I am a current ministerial servant and regular pioneer. After seeing a fellow by the name of Chris Stuckmann on TH-cam for many years and only recently allowing myself to see his JW video it all just clicked. I had imagined that if I watched any apostate info that surely it nothing more than petty complaints about the Organization and that the authors would be greedy and egotistical. However to my surprise I have found it to be anything but that. Strangely, I do not feel anger...only a little sadness that the first 20 or so years of my life were unnecessarily difficult. I wish you well, I have much to consider and a friend I have to apologize to for abandoning him in a time where he needs friends now more than ever. I also have to decide whether or not to try to convince the rest of my family to leave. If not then to arrange my circumstances so as to not sleep in the streets. I wish you all well and especially to you Mr. Lloyd
Awesome informative video as always ...thank you for helping to open my eyes.... After being in this cult for over 45 yrs ...I've finally see the light ....
Wow, thanks Lloyd! Great video! Especially point 10 blew me of my feet! I am always amazed by your thoroughness and transparency! Being baptized for 15 years I am currently fading from the organization and your videos are a great help to counterbalance my jw conditioned mind/conscience. Keep up the good work!
@genie 712 Carn is a form of pressure to get you in, the way is supposed to be. Elders are policeman, and each JW, have to be according to the "rules" in order to be "spiritual". Don't allow that!
In my case i got shuned for things i don't even know. Than i processeded to fade from the meetings. I like the streamlined aspect of them now, but i just feel out of place with them.
@@Canalbiruta so did I, I tried hard to fit into the mould but it never happened for me, I was to much of a critical thinker, of all the years and witness's I met in the organisation I can count the "friends" I made on one hand and even then when I faded and then disassociated the so called " love" faded with it. I was soft shunned for many years and didn't realise it which meant elders had your cards marked. Even if you dont join the school or do 10 hours a month you are bad association. My advice to you is come away from that toxic environment. Live your life make real friends and have no regrets.
Thank you so much llyod,every time I watch one of your videos I am more and more convinced that I made the right decision to distance myself from watchtower bs religion. Thanks again and keep up the good work.
It is truly therapeutic to listen to the evidence of this cult I es raised in from birth. I was 18 when I broke apart. Thank you for what you do to make us apostates proud to be one!
@@dontliveinfear.7640 do it , starting your life , even alone if it comes to , is a great opportunity that you can gift to yourself. Maybe , if it's hard for you to abandon them, keep some connection to them but get away from that cult and the way of thinking, you can be distant from it with the mind while still being close to your family
@alison webster this annoys me so much - JW's label literally anyone with a different opinion as an apostate to make you seem like a bad person who other witnesses should be scared of and avoid at all costs.
I tried to talk to my husband about the pillowgate thing and he told me it's just made up and wouldn't watch. I am always shocked about how much he doesn't know about his own religion. It's crazy there are a lot of things in the religion he doesn't think are right. I'm like, if you don't think it's all the truth. Why do you think any of it is?
Can I ask how can you be married to someone who is still a jw? I thought if one spouse left the religion, the other one was urged to seek separation. I'm just a curious person with no JW background.
I am sorry to say I did not see any ads on this video. Seems like the YT bot patrol has demonetized this one. I never thought I would be unhappy to not see an ad, but here I am sorry that the work Lloyd put into this video won’t be ad supported. Regardless, good work, Lloyd!
Yes, it got demonetized anyway. It seems I can't talk about what Watchtower's been up to without being penalized. So be it. My patrons have my back! :)
Thank you for the fascinating video, kept my attention from beginning to end. I very much appreciate you summarizing all the proof available about the csa database.
Hi Lloyd....I did not know about: "The Deceleration of: Facts" article in the 1934 yearbook. Interesting information...to say the least... Keep up your good work.... larrywinfield N.S. Canada
I can feel your pain they did same things with me they are not trustworthy but keep trying to stay with your family members and do to not give up put your 100% effort to get close to family members!!
This was WONDERFUL Lloyd. For anyone planning to leave who has friends in congregation or family members who are Jehovah's Witnesses this would be GREAT to send before you exodus. Ask them for help in explaining this information. Great tool. Thanks so much Lloyd for such an excellent video and the other references for more information. I was a JW since 1969 and didn't even know some of the points you brought out. Thanks so much.
I was actually very young when I learned of many of these things. Long before the internet. Long before Franz wrote Crisis Of Conscious. I heard about many things from a congregation servent. He knew from way back then. Looking back now, I can't figure out why he would stay, knowing what he knew. He told me about Beth Sirim. How they all thought 1914 would usher in Armageddon. He never told me about the 1925 prediction. I found out about that one later. How they would go door to door with their portable phonagraphs. So many things he told me about the organization. But, I was young and a born in so it really didn't mean very much to me, at the time. Until years later, when I thought, those were false prophecies.
I forgot to mention that his brother was George Couch and that's where I think that he got all his information. George was close to the governing body at that time. The days of the Knorr and Franz era.
I love your videos they bring so much truth and comfort to me, just knowing that I have been woken up brings so much relief. scars will always remain from that cult but you have helped bring much healing with your videos of truth, thank you!
Please yesss.... but the sad thing is they JW taught even not to look at wikis......... they are all fooled by those 8 idiots... They covered up all those places pages of evidences to JW and shows it as GOD SAYS ! ....
@@erenjeager4369 no prohibition against looking at wikis. Prohibition is against looking at apostate material. Prohibition is also against looking at material critical of the organization. Lastly, strong prohibition against looking at material published by other religions that contradicts the teachings of the organization.
Your shirt is the best 😂🙏🏻 still watching your material after all this time. It makes me sad, furious, relieved, sickened, hopeful, included...makes me feel so many emotions and I’m thankful to you for all of them!! Thank you so much for all of your hard work! I appreciate it so much.
It pisses me off so much that witnesses can't get it through their head that Jesus said we're all equal. That was probably the most important scripture in waking me up
They have absolute authority over their members try to keep them in the dark about their doctrines and history to keep their power more absolute. You know those old sayings, "Those who don't learn their history are doomed to repeat it." "Life has a habit of going in a circle." "Power corrupts, but, absolute power corrupts absolutely."
I realized I have been a victim of PTSD....Post Tramatic SPIRITUAL Distress. I realized this past Sunday when I decided to attend a meeting at the Kingdom Hall. I faded since 2006 and this was my second meeting in 13 years. At the end of the meeting, which is a congregation I have never attended, and a 7 hour drive from my previous Kingdom Hall, a elder decided to approach me and started grilling me about me attending. The meeting and the friends in attendance was nice, but this brother tried to corner me. I never met this person before. I told him I was not disfellowshipped and I stop attending because of the wrong doing I seen within the congregation. I left and I felt as if there was an attempted spiritual assault on me. Why couldn’t they simply welcome me as a new visitor. PTSD!
I faded in 2005-2006 and went back fully in 2018. I left during the beginning of quarantine. I had lots of time to do research and it has led me to some eye opening information. I really believe after all this time this is a "Golden Calf" situation where the Organization is being worshipped and followed in place of Jehovah God. There are genuine worshippers I believe but they are being completely mislead by the Governing Body.
It seems like there's one set of rules for the elders and another for the rank and file, truly Cult behaviour. As someone who has never had much time for any religions, and had no childhood indoctrination, I find it hard to wrap my head round the fact that so many average people follow such nonsense without even knowing the history of the religion they pledge their lives too? Its all available if you look into it? Such a strange way to live imo??
I’ll never forget the day I learned about Beth Sarim. I couldn’t believe it I and I even went online and got a copy of the deed to prove it to myself. Wow, I’m so glad I escaped. I’m waiting for my family members who have shunned me now for 30 years, to follow.
I was raised in this a found the UN documents when I was 13. Then did more research. Thank you for this. Your truth and logic is the reality check many lost JW need. Please keep going.
Shawna Silva Please take time to read what I sent you. I just sent it 5 minutes ago and there is no way you could of taken time to read the full truth. Please do so. Thanks.
As a mino (mormon in name only), I support you, your research, and educational videos. I have too much on the line to escape my own religious cult-for now.
I was brought up as a jw and my dad has been an elder since I can remember and worked his way up to be one of the most respected elders there is, and I know he knows things he will never admit and will always keep secret.
Thank you for the time you are dedicating on research and doing this informative videos. Hope this reaches every witness! Will do my part to share this info with my family! ;-)
I told a young girl long time ago to go to college even though the elders told her not to and pioneer and she didnt go in service at all, now many years later she went to school and got her whatevers and she married and got kids and we are still here, just think if she didnt go to college, guarantee that most elders had higher education degrees.
My parents forbid my college books in their home when I visited. SO I would bring my kids over and leave my books in the car or go to school and not tell them. How foolish, They want you to donate but no one has a good enough job because they don't want you to go to college. I thought that was dumb so at age 18 I did go to college. I do have niece who went to college but works at dunkin donuts. so College degree does not guarantee a good job. She is a straight A brilliant person by the way.
If the world is going to end, signing of for college would not be for me, what would be the point in going to school for a degree you can not use because the world has ended?
I’m a 16 year old witness, born in a witness family. All I’ve known is this religion, it’s my whole life, literally. Just recently had I stated doubting everything i had learned my whole life. The people in this religion are truly good people thinking this is the way to eternal life, I’ve grown around them and they’re like a a second family to me. Really, they’re good people. However, as I grew up and listened to what they would say at the meetings, some things wouldn’t make sense, or seemed to extremist. Giving your life for you religion? I’ve heard of that. But getting blood transfusions to save your or another’s life is a sin? Stuff like that seemed iffy. when I started reading articles or videos like this, my heart broke, this is my life, feeling like everything I’ve grown up by my whole life might be wrong, felt so wrong.even know, I don’t want to admit that this might be the truth. If I start asking questions, I would be called an apostate and I would be disfellowshipped, this meaning my parents, siblings, and friends, would consider me dead. So no, I’m not gonna say anything, because even tho it might be wrong, even tho I would no longer feel like what I’m doing is right, I know the people I’ve grown around my whole life are good people and I’m not willing to loose them, selfish? I don’t know, but this is probably gonna be my life.
Jin, I'm very sorry for you. I was df'd in 2004 when I was 20. I had questioned things, but never had serious doubts. I got df'd because I confessed to a bunch of stuff I did trying to "get right with Jehovah." After 2 failed attempts at getting reinstated I finally started waking up. It was a years long process and I've had little to no relationship with my parents during all of it. I'm 35 now and I recently told them that they no longer have the option to shun me. I'm not coming back and I'm just not going to sit out anymore. Know what? It's working. I've been over for dinner. I was invited on the family cruise. Obviously, I'm not recommending this for you right now. I'm just letting you know that there is a place to be authentically you and still have your family. I'll also say this: It's better to find a chosen family outside of the organization than withering as a person with the one you were born into. They are nice people, until you aren't one of them anymore. That doesn't make them different than any other group. It's a fake love, Jin. They don't know it. It's not on purpose; but it's not real. Keep doing your research. Keep getting to know who you are apart from being a witness. Start seeing the good in people and in the world. Look up the word "apostate" in a dictionary and find out what it really means so you can stop fearing it. Make friends outside of the org. You have a long life ahead of you, spend it happy.
I’m coming across your message 2years after you wrote this…I’m so so sorry this organization made you feel this way 😞 And like you I once felt the same as you…after growing up in this organization and losing a father because I didn’t believe that same as he did I can tell you your perfectly normal to feel the way you do…I guess it came down to me when I was told as a single mother in a domestic violence marriage and was trying to get out my father said to me when I came to him for help “ I could help you if you were in the truth “ made me realize god would never turn is back on me … I hope you find or found the strength with in to separate from a organization that would separate family and friends because someone would not believe in what they believe in 💕💕💕💕💕💕
@@ctoooc don't get baptized! They tried to pressure me into it. Spend time researching and seeing what truly resonates with you. Don't make the decision to get baptized UNLESS you are 100% sure. If they try to pressure you, remind them Jesus was 30 when he was ready. If you decide to leave, there won't be any punishment, but if you get baptized... well... you already know how that goes. I left the religion when I was around your age. It wasn't right for me. I know how much fear my parents have about my choice but I always remind them, "God is a reader of hearts, and my heart is good." Sometimes you just have to speak to them in language they understand. Anyway, it's great you are questioning things and thinking for yourself. Keep doing that. If one day you decide you believe the JWs than you can dedicate yourself to that, but you should never feel forced or coerced into a path of worship without knowing if it's right for you. Hang in there.
I think being disassociating yourself would be the best why stay when at heart you feel this is not you! I questioned soo much when i was like around 7-8 yrs old had enough at 13 and stopped going felt like i had literal fucking shackles on my arms and feet released. What’s sad is they pressure you to baptize yourself young so if you grow up and wanna leave you’re fucked because your family will stop talking to you! But you will be free and happier than a depressed kid
.many people don't know that there are not honorable way to get out of the watchtower, never, even if simply fade away. great job Lloyd i loved when you showed your copy of the elders's "secret book". greetings from Mexico
Greetings Lloyd, I recently watched Leah Remini's episode on the JW organization! It was great to have seen you in the panel! I commend you on your informative videos!
I don't think I knew any of this when I was a witness, although come across most of it since. You've given me some ideas to mention to 'still-in' family, thank you!
I recently talked to an old friend that served as an elder for 20 years. I asked him... what did he know about Beth Sariam the house build in San Diego. Rutherford predictions of the 4 fathers. I could not believe he... an ex elder of 20 years had no clue that took place. He is still deeply into the organization and thinks that back then people made mistakes but strongly believe that he is in the truth. I told him that wasn’t a mistake... it was a prophecy. I followed by telling the Bible condemned false prophecy to death. He had a puzzle look on his face and I could see he became very uncomfortable and wanted to go. I feel we have to educate them even if they don’t like it.
I totally agree. Most of them are really good people. They've just been mind controlled and are afraid to have any thought "against" what they've been convinced is God's chosen organization. We have to whenever possible, gradually break down the wall of mind control. Even if it doesn't work, at least attempt a respectable approach
Omar Seneriz Information about Beth-Sarim was published during 1939 in a book entitled Salvation. It stated: “rew words Beth Sarim mean “House of the Princes”; and the purpose of acquiring that property and building the house was that there might be some tangible proof that there are those on earth today who fully believe God and Christ Jesus and in His kingdom, and who believe that the faithful men of old will soon be resurrected by the Lord, be back on earth, and take charge of the visible affairs of earth. The title to Beth-Sarim is vested in the WATCH TOWER BIBLE & TRACT SOCIETY in trust, to be used by the president of the Society and his assistants for the present, and thereafter to be for ever at the disposal of the aforementioned princes on the earth. To be sure, everything then on the earth will belong to the Lord, and neither the Lord nor the princes need others to build houses for them; but it was thought well and pleasing to God that the aforementioned house be built as a testimony to the name of Jehovah and showing faith in his announced purposes. The house has served as a testimony to many persons throughout the earth, and while the unbelievers have mocked concerning it and spoken contemptuously of it, yet it stands there as a testimony to Jehovah’s name; and if and when the princes do return and some of them occupy the property, such will be a confirmation of the faith and hope that induced the building of Beth-Sarim.” -Rutherford, Salvation, 311. If our critics will carefully note, the last sentence said “if and when” the princes do return. So again, all this information was conditional. But we think it is important to realize and to note the reason for building this residence. It was a testimony to the name of Jehovah God and to show faith in his purposes. Now what might be said here at this point is, after all, that Judge Rutherford only did what the apostles wished to do. Note what the apostle Matthew writes in this regard: After six days Jesus took with him Peter, James and John the brother of James, and led them up a high mountain by themselves. There he was transfigured before them. His face shone like the sun, and his clothes became as white as the light. Just then there appeared before them Moses and Elijah, talking with Jesus. Peter said to Jesus, “Lord, it is good for us to be here. If you wish, I will put up three shelters-one for you, one for Moses and one for Elijah.” This same event is also recorded by Mark: After six days Jesus took Peter, James and John with him and led them up a high mountain, where they were all alone. There he was transfigured before them. His clothes became dazzling white, whiter than anyone in the world could bleach them. And there appeared before them Elijah and Moses, who were talking with Jesus. Peter said to Jesus, “Rabbi, it is good for us to be here. Let us put up three shelters -one for you, one for Moses and one for Elijah.” (He did not know what to say, they were so frightened.) If someone wishes to criticize Judge Rutherford for wanting to have a place for those that are to be resurrected, then certainly he would have to condemn the apostles also because they had the same thought: to prepare a place for the prophets. Is it all right for Peter to talk about building shelters for Elijah, Moses, and Jesus but it is not all right for Witnesses to do something similar? Is this not another case of double standards?
@@NickHawaii Thank you for the information send. I basically believe in what Deuteronomy 18:20 saids about false prophesies.. What Judge Rutherford did wasn't a mistake.. He prophesied and the reality is that is not my place or anybodies place to prophecy or stumble anyone. That is what the Watchtower, Rutherford and the Governing body do and have been doing. I believe God it is putting a stop to them and we all see it already. The light is getting Brighter and Jehovah will put a stop to a group that has been miss representing his name for far too long. God and Jesus loves everyone... not just a specific group. Matthew 28:19 Make Disciples of people of all nations. That means to Help everyone, Love everyone and forgive everyone. Not too SHUNN and feel like you are better that the next person or form groups amount groups and give it a special name ( Pioneers ). That is only causing division.
Omar Seneriz There is a big difference between someone who is just trying to understand Bible prophecy and one who claims a direct communication with God or a miraculous foresight. For one example, Oral Roberts claimed to be told by a 900 foot Jesus that he was going to be used to find a cure for cancer and people should send him 8 million dollars or God was going to kill him. His cancer medical center was only open for a few years. This is a clear example of one who meets the requirements of a "false prophet," since he was not just interpreting Scriptural prophecies but he claimed a direct communication from God which proved untrue. (Deuteronomy 13:1) Jehovah’s Witnesses have misunderstood scripture and prophecies but it doesn’t make us what critics try to portray. And no there are no divisions among Jehovah’s Witnesses. Many have different gifts and roles in the congregation. Love for you to point me to a group who resembles true Christianity closer. Please show me. Thanks.
Nick Batchelor I am glad you found happiness with that group. As I indicated before Jesus wants people from all nations and group. I am currently part of a small group that study the Bible, we help each other and respect each other. Best of all we do not judge one another since we are all imperfect and no hour require just help everyone with love. Our small group has met a few other groups that are doing the same. I must tell you we could not be happier because is all with love. We help anyone and meet with anyone that needs help regardless or religion. We have to all do what feels good in our heart. I follow God and Jesus not an organization or a Governing body of imperfect man. If Jesus where to come today... is he going to ask you. Nick what have you done to help old people? Or is he going to ask.. how many hours have you put in this year? Think about that. Follow God and Jesus. They will show you the way.
Your channel is excellent, super informative and revealing. Thank you for supporting your words with evidence. I wish that the subtitle option had Spanish, it would be incredible to be able to see subtitles and not use my brain to translate and understand all the information you give. Greetings from Argentina.
I’m still in, been one almost 50 years, I found out all these things about a year ago, when I did research.i will try to bring up some of the things in “field service”
You will only get one shot at it Beauty Rest. From the moment you start to " bring up some of these things" in field service, your days will be numbered. Whoever you speak to will report your comments to the elders. If you need to stay for family reasons, don't say anything to anyone.
I was in 46years researched internet 6 months ago, have stopped meetings, field service, if you have family in (TRUTH)..Be very careful about what you say, you know the consequences of disfelloshiping...my wife of tears upset with me but things have settled down, my advice just start fading, If you are challenged in any way do as Jesus did he kept silent and if worked for him I'm sure it Will work for you...
Absolutely brilliant video! Clear, concise, factual. Most of which I never knew. What an absolute injustice I did to myself by going along with this awful religion for 30 years. Thank you.
I see in their elders secret book just how they throw the woman under the bus and say its her that 'isn't willing'....always the way they accuse, never the guy who is at fault. I know from personal exp...
Terrific work and thorough bullet points Lloyd! Just catching up on this one here a week before Christmas. Every single Jehovah's Witness should see this episode! And as you said you couldn't even fit in the Beth Sarim/Beth Shan/two 16-cylinder Cadillacs scam that RutherFraud had going from 1929 to 1942. Or even Charles Russell's "Miracle Wheat" nonsense. If origins of holidays and origins of religions are so important to Jehovah's Witnesses then they will watch this and do objective, independent research to draw their own conclusions. Merry Christmas!
wow, LABORIOUS!!! LOVE THAT WORD!! i do not remember last time I used this word, but I will make sure I use it several times this week!!!! word of the week! love the Brits with speech!!!!
Each of these issues could be viewed as misguided judgements, honest mistakes or even attributed to individual human imperfections. The problem for the Witnesses however is that they claim that god is directing them and that their, ‘fruits’ distinguish them from other religions. They are no different from any other religion insofar as they are just men using teleological arguments based on an ancient text to fumble from one outmoded doctrine to the next.
Jeffrey Bungle yes I couldn’t agree more! None of it is a problem unless you claim directly to be communicating with God. Maybe the early view of simply being bible students is more appropriate
if you reduce them to misguided judgments and other bla bla , then you really don't know what you are talking about, you don't even have a clue my dude. Crimes have been comitted , a lot of them , and the compulsive denial from everyone in that cult (that includes , sometimes , the parents of the molested child) is no FUCKING HONEST MISTAKE. Do you know jw people intimately to know their cult's secrets? no ? then connect your fucking brain before insulting victims of abuse talking about " misguided judgements, honest mistakes, human imperfections".
A prominent elder,(married ss well) that served in the local WT branch and also a CO, had an affair with a married sister (husband was MS) for at least 2 years. When this comes to light, the sister is disfellowshiped, the elder looses his privileges and in just 6 months gets reappointed to his previous status!!! This WT's concept of justice.....
I found it very interesting. I had been studying with the JW and got a sense that prejudice existed in the Governing Body. I am going to research more about the issues you pointed out in this video. Thank you for bringing light to those of us who are not brainwashed.
I'd say, the study is actually good to continue and all... Just don't get everything they say as rule, before actually looking at what the bible says... More than 10 years being a JW i saw many ppl come and go because at one time they really believed that the government body couldn't be wrong.
I am so glad they are so definite: "more than a few years ago" LOL! And let's not forget, the elders are in a perfect position to judge the "heart" condition, even though they themselves might be committing child abuse. smh
Ya I guess this convenient rule allowed my “well respected in the congregation” elder dad to be a child abuser... but hey, it was more than a few years ago, so no biggie. Disgusting
I am from South Africa and I remember our Presiding Overseer calling the black races "Kaffirkies" which means "little Kaffirs", a serious racial slur (worse than the "N" word in the USA). I also remember in the early 80's, during a meeting in the white areas, an old black man came into the hall and wanted to sit down to listen to the speaker. He was physically grabbed by 2 attendants and thrown out of the hall.
Yes, I remember being told by a South African elder friend (now shunning his awakened daughter) while I was still a JW that there was racism between JWs under apartheid.
JW-Black-Racism extends to the modern day in another form. JW-Sharia-Halls purposely EXCLUDE JEWS from the congregation, even though ALL other minorities are welcomed, particularly JW-Muslims, who have had a life-long indoctrination of hating and despising the Jewish people.
I was raised a JW. Regular Pioneer, Ministerial Servant, was asked to be an Elder just before I got out. You are making some good arguments and pointing out some things a normal critical thinking mind would want to really look into, would really question. This is the main reason the JWs discourage higher education. It develops a critical thinker. And a critical thinker is going to begin to question things. Those who didn't seek higher education may develop their critical thinking as a result of purely life experience over many years. But higher education fast tracks it. I finally decided to go to college in my 20s. I took a critical thinking class in college and after that class I started to analyze the "religion" I was raised in. After a bit of thinking and speaking with other critical thinkers I knew it operated more like a money and property grabbing cult than a religion.
Mannnn, the more research that I dig up, the more that it is convincing me to remove myself from the organization. I was doing the exact same research I also read the the elders book and there is a lot of things that I see wrong in it and other things that are just not adding up.
Thankyou John ,,as an ex JW I am surprised by nothing in your factual, provable video. I was once told ,,,by an elder, put yourself into the centre of the congratulation and I,,will make sure your made a ministerial servant very quickly. I left this very corrupt organisation a long time ago,, after 38 years as a Baptised witness. My wife of 50 years is still a JW ,we live together but lead separate lives , don't eat together, or ever ,ever speak to one another. JOSS Bedford.
Most JW's I know couldn't tell you who started their cult or even when it was started. They have zero idea of how the cult ran or what literature they put out for the past 100 years. What they do know for a fact is that if you zoom in on a dragonfly, its so complex that it must be proof of god therefore evolution didn't happen. Would you like to join in on a weekly bible study with me?
I never finished Bible studies or became a Jehovah Witness. I am being shunned. It is not surprising to me that even though I was told to stay in touch that this happened. Proves to me that Jehovah witnesses do not love their neighbors as themselves.
I'm a bit confused. I thought JW's were not allowed to marry or get involved with non JW's? I see a few commenters referring to their JW spouses, who are not JW's themselves.
There are different levels of "not allowed" in the JW religion. Marrying an unbeliever is heavily frowned upon, but not *yet* a disfellowshipping offense.
It was probably considered when they df’ed me. I’m going to marry a non witness and they were so shocked and kept going on about it but he’s my soulmate. We’ve waited years to get married so they’ve taken the joy out of that! I was df’ed not because I sinned but because of what it looked like. My witness friend of 20 years has shunned and unfriended me gosh that hurt more than anything. People you’ve loved as a friend just cutting you off even when I’ve done nothing wrong. So relieved my family aren’t witnesses or I’d be committing suicide.
Ciao Lloyd, ho apprezzato molto questo tuo video per gli argomenti e per il modo rispettoso con cui li hai trattati. Sono stato 45 anni Testimone e anche anziano per 10 anni. Anche io grande studioso delle pubblicazioni Watchtower, ma non con una biblioteca fantastica. Il tuo lavoro di ricerca è I tuoi video mi hanno aiutato molto ad aprire i miei occhi. Ti ringrazio molto di questo. Ciao
My daughter was sexually abused by a fellow witness in 2001. We went right to the authorities , not to the elders. He admitted what he had done and spent 7 years in jail. Also disfellowshiped. As a parent Im not sure why you wouldn't call the authorities right away. We were never shamed for calling them first.
It varies in different locations and congregations. Local elders dictate peoples lives in many cases, with their individual personalities. It can be a complete roll of the dice, based on where you live at the time or which elders you get "involved with"
I am proud of you and for your daughter
Becky Rose what about children who are molested by their own fathers whom are elders. I can tell you for a fact that watchtower did NOTHING and whom do you think the child would report it to? A young Wittnesses gurl is not going to talk to 3 men. That’s what happens and even at age 50 it was difficult to tell 3 men. As a witness we were always told not to talk to the police because they are from the world. We are told to talk to the elders.
Becky Rose cause some wittiness think the elders are gods
JW-PARENTS ARE COMMANDED TO PUT THEIR KIDS IN LAST PLACE !
If you are a JW-parent, you must blindly accept the doctrines of the corrupt, inept, alcoholic, and evil governing body ― any criticism of the WT by current and former JWs is WRONG. JW-rapists and JW-pedophiles must be protect, at all cost, including the cost of hapless JW-children.
Furthermore, if you are a JW-parent, you are commanded to accept that ... The courts are wrong. The Australian commission is wrong. They are all wrong. They are all liars. There are absolutely no rapes, no child pedophilia, no violence, and no abuses. Everything is perfect in all Halls.
And if you are a JW-parent, and raise these issues in the congregation, you will be condemned, shunned, ostracized, and excommunicated. And your family will be turned against you. If you go to the authorities, you will be destroyed.
In other words ... shut up and put up, and put your kids in last place, because the outside world is lying, and we will destroy your life. Shut up, or you will be made to suffer personal Armageddon, forever.
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You present facts and you make the references clear. There is never any “he says, she says.” I appreciate that!
Uhhem... you mean ‘he saays, she saays’ 🤣
So many scandals😥
@@victoriahebert3073 Yes. But JWs never knew anything about it unless they do research.
2 years ago I committed a sin i told the elders I attended a judicial committee I had to go into the embarrassing details. I was baptised 35 years I wasn't an elder? The outcome I was disfellowsipped! I'm now a POMI physically out mentally in? Since the lockdown there's no way back even if I wanted to?
@@stevienugnugent9986 you want back on?
I was a Jehovah's Witness for 15 yrs. I never felt less appreciated or more useless or never good enough in my whole life. My children from babies onwards never had birthdays or Christmas and I never explained properly to them why not, because I couldn't. I destroyed their childhood and fun as well as my own. My five sons now go overboard on Christmas and birthdays with their own children. I am embarrassed and guilty about what my family went through. I prevented them from playing with children who weren't witnesses and yet other witness children never wanted to associate with my children because my husband was a worldly person who didn't believe. The gain was nothing. The stress was huge and the baggage carried forward is enormous. I'm glad I'm out of it. 21 yrs now and life is easier, but my children are disappointed in me.
Don't beat yourself up over it. Your kids probably forgave you a long time ago and are thankful you're out.
Birthdays and holidays are indeed pagan though, JW(though false) are not wrong about everything but overall the truth of the bible is that the Most High chose a people then renewed his covenant with that people , simple as fhag.
You did the best you knew how with what you were programmed to think. Express that to your children so they will give you a break and not persecute you as you are already doing. Your heart was good, but you were brainwashed.
If your children looked up about Christmas they wouldn't have wanted their children to participate in it. My children went overboard on it also.I am not a JW anymore also. I'm more worried about how they taught that there is no literate he'll. Now, as I see prophecy being forfilled right in my face, I'm starting to believe that he'll could possibly be a real place. I had never feared it before. But on a positive note, I have enjoyed praying to and recognizing the importance of the sacrifice of my lord and savior Jesus Christ.
I was disfellowshiped after about 12 years of service, after which I came out of severe depression and now I realize it was a blessing.
Congratulations, Anthony. Keep going, mate!
Congratulations on your freedom!!
Are you familiar with Jordan Peterson?
What I always always appreciate so much is your careful research on each topic. You always encourage the viewers to research for themselves, and to me that just shows your true motive, which is to educate people and keep them from needlessly suffering at the hands of this cult. Thank you for everything you do. This is an absolutely brilliant video that I will save and share with friends. If anyone is studying with the witnesses I urge you to please, please take these issues seriously into consideration and research it for yourself. Everything presented here is 100% accurate.
1. I know an elder, decades ago, who committed adultery with another sister in the congregation. She had confessed but he never did. He kept his elder privileges, gave public talks in other Kingdom Halls, for decades. There were some elders though, who never invited that adulterous brother to give a talk in their K Halls.
2. When I left my ex husband on our wedding anniversary, in 2003, I had an elder's meeting with 2 elders, and they showed me a volume, I said I've read it, showed me another volume article, I said I've read it. So that is all that they had to say. I waited another 3 years to have another elders meeting with my ex husband, after I had got a legal divorce and had it sent to him. I was livid about my ex having a part on a circuit assembly, when he should not have had any privilege at all!! He has never been disciplined like he should have been. He had admitted to reviling me and the kids for over 22 years and yet he only got a slap on the hand. Every time I had wanted to get results, I ran into a brick wall. The elders are just a boys' club that relish being the leaders over the congregation of sheep and women. I'm so disgusted with them. I had got the no-fault divorce after 3 years of separation, because my ex had fraudulently borrowed money from numerous people in the congregation and outside of it, and used it as an "investment" meaning that he lived on the money and never paid the people back. I had done research in the publications of JWs, and thus got my legal divorce because I had not wanted to owe anyone money that he had got. The elders had told me that I must be faithful to Jehovah and stay single and no sex. I did for 8 years and then had an affair. The elders said that I had to tell my ex about it. I said, "You gotta be kidding!" So I told the ex via emails to mainland China, and he of course, belittled me and said that I was a "fornicating adulteress", and would die at Armageddon. Whatever, I thought.
I feel free now more than ever and I realize why my ex was never punished. The governing body and most of the men, can go to hell!
Really enjoyable watch! Excellent breakdown of the issues Lloyd.
Sadly this is more common than many JWs think. My ex brother in law remained an elder after visiting prostitutes over a 10 year period. My sister divorced him and was reviled by the congregation who assumed it was her sin!!! All that time he was supposedly being blessed by Jehoover. You are so right that it is a woman hating organisation.
@@JillyC5 That is horrific!! It's sickening how some in a congregation will gossip, judge and play the judge on others. And yet they are all in "good standing." Not by Jah's standards. Give your sister a hug for me.
@@MonaLisa-yb9bq I would, but she's shunning me because of course she stayed in after that treatment!
@@JillyC5 Oh my!! Give it time. It took me decades of mistreatment before I woke up. Red flags we see don't go away. They eat at us. Eventually you will have to comfort her when the organization goes down!
I've done a lot of my own research, Lloyd, and yet you still manage to find fascinating facts that continue to leave me dumbfounded. Very interesting. Thanks again for your diligence!
I'm currently a witness but these videos are great! I appreciate freedom of information which unfortunately isn't at the fore of the organisation keep going new sub
Are you still a member? Don't get caught watching these videos, it's a no no. PIMO?
@@jdsthird lol... dont get caught?!?? .. hey you .. dont drag this person also to the hell..;;; and why do you even watch these videos if you are so faithful... just think by your own self what is right and what is the wrong.. god gave you a brain not to waste like this sister or brother.. you know so well the truth of this TRUTH you know it !! So why are you being a coward.....
@@erenjeager4369 he's warning him because of what they can do. They like to make people extremely codependent down to the point where they get them to work at the same companies and can easily get them fired... also you could be completely cut off from your family and you don't know the age of this person. There are reasons it could be difficult or dangerous.... but you also have a very good point living a lie is not good, but that doesn't mean everyone's at a point where they can be honest and if you don't think the Watchtower has people watching Jehovah's Witnesses online... Your very wrong... Cults do that
Leave them. Trust me. The damage they do just accumulates
So what is the agenda here?
Witnesses, Scientologists and All the rest of them ought to be in camps.
Regarding 1975, I was in my early twenties in the build up to that year. Not once did they write an article or make any announcements regarding the so called “fact” that it was only “some” over-zealous witnesses who got the wrong idea. Rather they praised the ones who sold their homes or quit their jobs to go and pioneer. There was a brother in my congregation who had a family, wife and three children. He sold his home to pioneer but later had to start all over again. He is now in his eighties, his wife is on hospice care waiting to die. He apparently is so depressed at the idea of losing his wife. The paradise definitely did not come in his lifetime. Very sad. It proves that the “slave” was neither faithful nor discreet.
Do you have any literature of the 1975 thingy or where to get it?
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Oh man, go on line and research it. You will find a ton of information on it. Stay Alive Until 75. Yep, even the talks from the podium. It's all out there, all you need do, is look for it.
It’s definitely in writing. Can’t get it off their website anymore. But if it wasn’t true why applaud people who sold their homes and not take a clear stand against it.
Jimbo Baggans Fred Franz from the 1975 yearbook on 1975 said:
“You have noticed the chart [on pages 31-35 in the book Life Everlasting-in Freedom of the Sons of God]. It shows that 6,000 years of human experience will end in 1975, about nine years from now. What does that mean? Does it mean that God's rest day began 4026 B.C.E.? It could have. The Life Everlasting book does not say it did not. The book merely presents the chronology. You can accept it or reject it. . . . What about the year 1975? What is it going to mean, dear friends?' Does it mean that Armageddon is going to be finished, with Satan bound, by 1975? It could! It could! All things are possible with God. Does it mean that Babylon the Great is going to go down by 1975? It could. Does it mean that the attack of Gog of Magog is going to be made on Jehovah's witnesses to wipe them out, then Gog himself will be put out of action? It could. But we are not saying. All things are possible with God. But we are not saying. And don't any of you be specific in saying anything that is going to happen between now and 1975.'"
@@NickHawaii - and in WT July 15th 2013 there's 2 articles "Tell Us, When..." admits that Armageddon comes AFTER the Great Tribulation and the GT has never happened - also shows a Chart and item #19 which reviews the 3 ERRORS WT made - 'Who Really Is the F&D Slave" demotes the Rank & File Anointed to Domestics so they can never again comment, discuss or Question WT and their errors again
- biggest mistake WT ever made was telling the Anointed that they were the F+D Slave
- then 20,000 Partakers wanted to scrutinize WT Doctrine and give advice on Truth
most JWs don't realize you have to be ALIVE at Armageddon to be saved by your WT Membership - otherwise you're dead and Judged by your numerous sins without having Jesus as your Mediator = Toast
- only 20,000 of 8,000,000 Publishers at the Memorial actually Partake [ or 2 in 800 ]
99% of JWs choose to Live and DIE outside the New Covenant
Churches call that a Tragedy - - - Cults call that a Victory
Hello friendly Jehovah’s Witness here. Just saying hi and I like to think I’m open minded so I appreciate you teaching me something
Being open minded is nothing to be ashamed about.
But let me give you a little bit of advice or whatever you want to call it.
When doing your research on topics concerning Theology, leave your beliefs at the door, but only during the research phase, then when you have the information you want and choose to believe in, put that through the Bible like you would put things through a filter. Anything thats not cohesive with the Bible will be trapped by the filter and what will be left over "*distilled*" is just pure light and knowledge.
I hope this makes sense 😅
Thanks for being kind
If they are not leading you to Jesus to receive Him in your heart for the forgiveness of your sins that He died and rose again for, you are being led in the wrong direction. I came out of a life in the world fill with sin and my sin became a heavy weight and with every sin clink another 10lbs. They shame, guilt, remorse regret was to much for me to live with. For a last hope I read the bible and received Jesus into my heart in the N.Y. and He came into my heart and cleansed me of my sin and took and the hurt and pain away and in Him today I have eternal life that no one can take from me. I am a son of God my Father who loves me and I hope every exjw find their way to Him because even though the org are satans org, Jesus is still the way, the truth and the life for every soul who wants new life He made me a new creation in Him where old things have passed away and all things are made new. I also have the joy of having my sin forgiven and the weight of the sin with all other terrible feelings that come with a sinful life are gone forever. I know that I am saved and that I have eternal life because I went through the born again experience and have served Christ in love. I hope you will receive Him some time, because He is waiting for you to open the door of your heart and invite Him inside for the forgiveness of your sin. Your sin most likely was never as the deep sin I came out of, but your need for salvation is as great as mine was, because not even the stain of sin is allowed in His final eternity and Jesus is the only One who can forgive your sin.
Thank you. Thank you 1,000 times over. I've been struggling and expressing it to others wasn't working; no one understood the profundity of the belief system that I was raised with. They can't even sympathize with it. To hear someone (who I was honestly taught to avoid and to fear, I wince at how gullible I was) describe exactly how I was raised, exactly how I feel and- most importantly- how it continues to effect me today means so much to me. Closure is priceless. Thank you for also sharing your sources. I'll never accept something blindly ever again.
Thanks Nyanda, I'm so glad I was able to help! :)
happy for you omg!!!!!
Comments like these must really make it worth it for people like Lloyd
As a former JW i didn't understand alot of what i was forced to believe. I was born in and was just brought to meetings and told to accept what i was taught even though as a younger person it didn't make sense. I was beat for not commenting and treated very poorly for not reaching out. This is not a harmless religion it's a dangerous cult. Many born in JW's have no clue why they are there trust me.
Same here😾
I know the exact feeling. I was born in, 3rd generation jw. I was made to feel fear. Fear to question anything. Also to feel quilt for not wanting to do service ministry, talks, answering. I got beat on the memorial cause my mum though I was gonna drink the wine when I only raised the glass to smell it. This cult is fucking disgusting. I hate watchtower so much. They ruined my childhood.
As a Jehovah's witness i find this insulting our religion racist people in this world should be banished/vanished from this world in Armageddon. Thanks to Jehovah we have an amazing appearance and life and amazing people in our lives!
@@WorstEpisodeEverr Thats racist and plus Jehovah gave us life dont you thank him alot also he gave us amazing people in our lives! This teaching proves that Jehovah is real and he answers our prayers! You should thank Jehovah for his hard work aint you glad i bet not Jehovah haters be vanished and BANISHED FROM THIS WORLD
@@imsisay8228 you are so fucking doomed it is actually useless to try and talk reason to you. Enjoy wasting the opportunity of living life as an individual being , i hope in your next reincarnation you won't suffer the same unfortunate fate again.
Ignorance is bliss as they say.
All I can do is shake my head at how obedient & loyal I was to this false cult for so many years, disguised as the most loving organisation.
You are not alone. We all feel foolish, but we just need to remember that we are victims of brainwashing, and our human brains are very susceptible to their aggressive tactics
There's no washing at all when you are born inside...
You are formatted from birth, with the help of physical punishment, and have to be "humble" because you know nothing as a kid.
Of course you are always guilty, never do something good (unless you play the role of a robot...).
@@garryiglesias4074 yeah sad but true. Better to know better now than never though.
Ocean Girl we were all brainwashed
JWs don’t have any moral compass. They have a Watchtower compass and that’s why they are so far off from real truth!
I remember my mom telling me that she threw out all her bound volumes. She told me it was because new information had come to light and the old might cause a stumbling block. Its amazing you can actually get people to turn thier brain off.
Same feeling here! I thought I was an intelligent woman yet I got DUPED into this cult!! It still galls me!
Should have kept them. They are more accurate. Compare the two and do research with scripture. I gave mine away because of arthritis, too heavy. I regret..
@@liliabenavides4052 You know what cult means? Acts 5 34. Dont believe apostatesm pretrending to be angels of light. I challenged him, pls wait for my reply shld he agrees to my challenge
Wow… and to think people’s lives and choices hinge on every word they utter as absolute fact. Completely delusional
@@liliabenavides4052 me too along with the rest of my family. Now, half of them don’t even acknowledge I exist. Call themselves Christians… 😂
I lost my best friend to this cult. She had been out of it for 20 years then about 3 months ago she started going again. I'm not sure how she doesn't see the craziness of it. We've been best friends for 9 almost 10 years. During that time she was always a leader never a follower. Then being last year she started going through some rough times. I was by her side every day trying to help her through it. But because of these hard times she started searching for something to make her happy. She started going to Bible study with her grandmother and before I knew it she had jumped whole heartily back into it. Since I am not a witness it started putting a widget in between our friendship. I really hate that things have turned out the way it has. I wish nothing but happiness for her. If she finds happiness in the witness then great but I'm afraid that it's going to turn into a disaster. If it does I'll be here if she needs me. I love her like my sister and hope for nothing but the best for her.
this is so so sad crystal, my heart goes out to you.
How are things going? Are you ok?
You are a good friend. Sorry for your loss. Please don't follow her by becoming a JW. GO find another friend through community recreational activities.
Thank you all for your kind words and concern. Unfortunately we have not spoken to each other in the last year and a half. I hope she is doing well and can find her way back out of this cult one day. I'll be there if she does to help her through it.
@@RedheadPhoto I'm going through this right now. She started distancing herself from me. She said she knows JW are the truth. We've been friends for 27 years. SO SO SAD!
My ex husband was a disfellowshiped JW when we married. I figured that since he was disfellowshiped the religion would not play into our marriage, boy oh boy was I wrong. He may not have been practicing but he grew up in the church and had been brainwashed. His mother was still in the church and was a special kind of pain in my ass. I learned a valuable lesson. Next time I married I spent 4 year getting to know my husband's family and their religious beliefs. If they had been to far from what I believe I could not have committed to a lifetime with him and his family. We do take on the family when we marry and I got so incredibly lucky second time around!
I never knew I was starving till I found Lloyd Evans! 😄 I can't get enough of your videos. I listen while I clean the house, shower, drive or with headphones late at night! I use to feel so priviledged to belong to the worldwide brotherhood but since I've been shunned I now feel so lucky to belong with all the awaken...we share a bond that you can only understand if you grew up a JW. The Witness world is it's own realm...looking thru the jw bubble from the outside is like screaming at the top of your lungs but they don't hear you. It's only a matter of time before that bubble pops! 💥💦
So well put! Good for you
So true, who else could possibly relate. On the very odd occasion
I would mention something to someone at my work & all I got was an unbelieving blank stare.
@@lisajane4330 yes I've gotten the blank stare when I try to explain it to my "worldly" friends or they just shake their heads like wait, what?? I finally got brave enuf just a month ago to research outside the watctower or jw. org...I had no idea there was an entire culture of ex jws going thru my emotions. Feels so good to finally have an outlet and be understood!
@@terrestrialcelestial6516 Good on you. I went through the same thing getting brave/curious enough to research from April 2018, was all such an eye opener.
@@lisajane4330 wow...over a year for you, I have learned so much in a month I can only imagine how much your eyes have been opened 👀
I am a current ministerial servant and regular pioneer. After seeing a fellow by the name of Chris Stuckmann on TH-cam for many years and only recently allowing myself to see his JW video it all just clicked. I had imagined that if I watched any apostate info that surely it nothing more than petty complaints about the Organization and that the authors would be greedy and egotistical. However to my surprise I have found it to be anything but that. Strangely, I do not feel anger...only a little sadness that the first 20 or so years of my life were unnecessarily difficult. I wish you well, I have much to consider and a friend I have to apologize to for abandoning him in a time where he needs friends now more than ever. I also have to decide whether or not to try to convince the rest of my family to leave. If not then to arrange my circumstances so as to not sleep in the streets. I wish you all well and especially to you Mr. Lloyd
Awesome informative video as always ...thank you for helping to open my eyes.... After being in this cult for over 45 yrs ...I've finally see the light ....
That must have been a shock.
Wow, thanks Lloyd! Great video! Especially point 10 blew me of my feet! I am always amazed by your thoroughness and transparency! Being baptized for 15 years I am currently fading from the organization and your videos are a great help to counterbalance my jw conditioned mind/conscience. Keep up the good work!
Even if you fade and not attend meetings you get a form of soft shun. It's only when you attend meetings and associate with them, you get spoken to.
@genie 712 Carn is a form of pressure to get you in, the way is supposed to be. Elders are policeman, and each JW, have to be according to the "rules" in order to be "spiritual". Don't allow that!
In my case i got shuned for things i don't even know. Than i processeded to fade from the meetings. I like the streamlined aspect of them now, but i just feel out of place with them.
@@Canalbiruta so did I, I tried hard to fit into the mould but it never happened for me, I was to much of a critical thinker, of all the years and witness's I met in the organisation I can count the "friends" I made on one hand and even then when I faded and then disassociated the so called " love" faded with it. I was soft shunned for many years and didn't realise it which meant elders had your cards marked. Even if you dont join the school or do 10 hours a month you are bad association. My advice to you is come away from that toxic environment. Live your life make real friends and have no regrets.
Oh how much lower my stress levels would have been if I had known about #1 while I was still in and guilt-ridden about "sinning."
Thank you so much llyod,every time I watch one of your videos I am more and more convinced that I made the right decision to distance myself from watchtower bs religion. Thanks again and keep up the good work.
It is truly therapeutic to listen to the evidence of this cult I es raised in from birth. I was 18 when I broke apart. Thank you for what you do to make us apostates proud to be one!
I’m in the same position, but I’m scared to loose my family and friends 😭 I’m so conflicted
@@dontliveinfear.7640 do you have family and friends that are non jw?
@@dontliveinfear.7640 do it , starting your life , even alone if it comes to , is a great opportunity that you can gift to yourself. Maybe , if it's hard for you to abandon them, keep some connection to them but get away from that cult and the way of thinking, you can be distant from it with the mind while still being close to your family
I was 14 when I told my father to shove his JW up his ass. No regrets.
@alison webster this annoys me so much - JW's label literally anyone with a different opinion as an apostate to make you seem like a bad person who other witnesses should be scared of and avoid at all costs.
I tried to talk to my husband about the pillowgate thing and he told me it's just made up and wouldn't watch. I am always shocked about how much he doesn't know about his own religion. It's crazy there are a lot of things in the religion he doesn't think are right. I'm like, if you don't think it's all the truth. Why do you think any of it is?
My husband does not listen either.
It's made up? Like satan possessed them for awhile to film the video? CGI?Or maybe body doubles? Stunt doubles that's it! Just like in spaceballs 😁
Can I ask how can you be married to someone who is still a jw? I thought if one spouse left the religion, the other one was urged to seek separation. I'm just a curious person with no JW background.
@@theyoutubeanalyst3731 I have never been a JW. I haven't been baptized.
@@theyoutubeanalyst3731 divorce is only allowed if someone cheats.
When they say the truth will set you free-this is clearly what they mean. Thank you Lloyd for this profound information!
Really good job Lloyd! This video will have a huge impact on its viewers!
This channel is great! My parents used to be JW before I was born so it makes me feel lucky and appreciate that they got out.
I am sorry to say I did not see any ads on this video. Seems like the YT bot patrol has demonetized this one. I never thought I would be unhappy to not see an ad, but here I am sorry that the work Lloyd put into this video won’t be ad supported. Regardless, good work, Lloyd!
Yes, it got demonetized anyway. It seems I can't talk about what Watchtower's been up to without being penalized. So be it. My patrons have my back! :)
@@LloydEvans That's because they r masons!! Lol
10 things I didn't know are now 101 things I do now know thanks to you JC !!
Thank you for the fascinating video, kept my attention from beginning to end. I very much appreciate you summarizing all the proof available about the csa database.
Hi Lloyd....I did not know about: "The Deceleration of: Facts" article in the 1934 yearbook. Interesting information...to say the least... Keep up your good work.... larrywinfield N.S. Canada
This wicked cult has destroyed all my family,thanks God,im done with it,
Yes mine family too.
My immediate family has been destroyed too. Thank goodness I’m done with that cult and have created a unconditional loving of friends and family.
I can feel your pain they did same things with me they are not trustworthy but keep trying to stay with your family members and do to not give up put your 100% effort to get close to family members!!
No stone is left unturned with u my boy.
This was WONDERFUL Lloyd. For anyone planning to leave who has friends in congregation or family members who are Jehovah's Witnesses this would be GREAT to send before you exodus. Ask them for help in explaining this information. Great tool. Thanks so much Lloyd for such an excellent video and the other references for more information. I was a JW since 1969 and didn't even know some of the points you brought out. Thanks so much.
I was actually very young when I learned of many of these things. Long before the internet. Long before Franz wrote Crisis Of Conscious. I heard about many things from a congregation servent. He knew from way back then. Looking back now, I can't figure out why he would stay, knowing what he knew. He told me about Beth Sirim. How they all thought 1914 would usher in Armageddon. He never told me about the 1925 prediction. I found out about that one later. How they would go door to door with their portable phonagraphs. So many things he told me about the organization. But, I was young and a born in so it really didn't mean very much to me, at the time. Until years later, when I thought, those were false prophecies.
I forgot to mention that his brother was George Couch and that's where I think that he got all his information. George was close to the governing body at that time. The days of the Knorr and Franz era.
I love your videos they bring so much truth and comfort to me, just knowing that I have been woken up brings so much relief. scars will always remain from that cult but you have helped bring much healing with your videos of truth, thank you!
How come a group like Anonymous hasn’t gone in and snatched that database and published it through WikiLeaks?
They tried
I wish they would
Please yesss.... but the sad thing is they JW taught even not to look at wikis......... they are all fooled by those 8 idiots...
They covered up all those places pages of evidences to JW and shows it as GOD SAYS ! ....
@@thedailyhawker8726 and what happened?
@@erenjeager4369 no prohibition against looking at wikis. Prohibition is against looking at apostate material. Prohibition is also against looking at material critical of the organization. Lastly, strong prohibition against looking at material published by other religions that contradicts the teachings of the organization.
Your shirt is the best 😂🙏🏻 still watching your material after all this time. It makes me sad, furious, relieved, sickened, hopeful, included...makes me feel so many emotions and I’m thankful to you for all of them!! Thank you so much for all of your hard work! I appreciate it so much.
It pisses me off so much that witnesses can't get it through their head that Jesus said we're all equal. That was probably the most important scripture in waking me up
Did it really take Jesus to tell you that? Everyone should know that.
They have absolute authority over their members try to keep them in the dark about their doctrines and history to keep their power more absolute. You know those old sayings, "Those who don't learn their history are doomed to repeat it." "Life has a habit of going in a circle." "Power corrupts, but, absolute power corrupts absolutely."
Thanks Lloyd. Learned so much from this video.
Eye opening. Thank you for another great video. I will be sharing it, as always.
Great video Lloyd! Thank you for enlightening me.
I realized I have been a victim of PTSD....Post Tramatic SPIRITUAL Distress. I realized this past Sunday when I decided to attend a meeting at the Kingdom Hall. I faded since 2006 and this was my second meeting in 13 years. At the end of the meeting, which is a congregation I have never attended, and a 7 hour drive from my previous Kingdom Hall, a elder decided to approach me and started grilling me about me attending. The meeting and the friends in attendance was nice, but this brother tried to corner me. I never met this person before. I told him I was not disfellowshipped and I stop attending because of the wrong doing I seen within the congregation. I left and I felt as if there was an attempted spiritual assault on me. Why couldn’t they simply welcome me as a new visitor. PTSD!
I faded in 2005-2006 and went back fully in 2018. I left during the beginning of quarantine. I had lots of time to do research and it has led me to some eye opening information. I really believe after all this time this is a "Golden Calf" situation where the Organization is being worshipped and followed in place of Jehovah God. There are genuine worshippers I believe but they are being completely mislead by the Governing Body.
Because those men esp the young boys being groomed into shepherding lifestyles have delusions of grandeur and are inappropriate.
Surely if an elder kept quiet about his wrong doing BUT still chose to be an elder then he’s not showing repentance?
Exactly
It seems like there's one set of rules for the elders and another for the rank and file, truly Cult behaviour. As someone who has never had much time for any religions, and had no childhood indoctrination, I find it hard to wrap my head round the fact that so many average people follow such nonsense without even knowing the history of the religion they pledge their lives too? Its all available if you look into it? Such a strange way to live imo??
Thank you Lloyd for this video.
Your book collection looks great in the new set up!
I’ll never forget the day I learned about Beth Sarim. I couldn’t believe it I and I even went online and got a copy of the deed to prove it to myself. Wow, I’m so glad I escaped. I’m waiting for my family members who have shunned me now for 30 years, to follow.
I was raised in this a found the UN documents when I was 13. Then did more research. Thank you for this. Your truth and logic is the reality check many lost JW need. Please keep going.
Shawna Silva You should of did more research. A half truth is a full lie.
@@NickHawaii How is the UN documents half truth?
Shawna Silva Please take time to read what I sent you. I just sent it 5 minutes ago and there is no way you could of taken time to read the full truth. Please do so. Thanks.
As a mino (mormon in name only), I support you, your research, and educational videos. I have too much on the line to escape my own religious cult-for now.
I was brought up as a jw and my dad has been an elder since I can remember and worked his way up to be one of the most respected elders there is, and I know he knows things he will never admit and will always keep secret.
Thank you for the time you are dedicating on research and doing this informative videos. Hope this reaches every witness! Will do my part to share this info with my family! ;-)
I really want one of those cult life shirts but I never went to college because the world was gonna end. Now I can barely afford rent.
Dumb human
it was gonna be that anyway, whether or not u went to college 😂😂
I told a young girl long time ago to go to college even though the elders told her not to and pioneer and she didnt go in service at all, now many years later she went to school and got her whatevers and she married and got kids and we are still here, just think if she didnt go to college, guarantee that most elders had higher education degrees.
My parents forbid my college books in their home when I visited. SO I would bring my kids over and leave my books in the car or go to school and not tell them. How foolish, They want you to donate but no one has a good enough job because they don't want you to go to college. I thought that was dumb so at age 18 I did go to college.
I do have niece who went to college but works at dunkin donuts. so College degree does not guarantee a good job. She is a straight A brilliant person by the way.
If the world is going to end, signing of for college would not be for me, what would be the point in going to school for a degree you can not use because the world has ended?
I’m a 16 year old witness, born in a witness family. All I’ve known is this religion, it’s my whole life, literally. Just recently had I stated doubting everything i had learned my whole life. The people in this religion are truly good people thinking this is the way to eternal life, I’ve grown around them and they’re like a a second family to me. Really, they’re good people. However, as I grew up and listened to what they would say at the meetings, some things wouldn’t make sense, or seemed to extremist. Giving your life for you religion? I’ve heard of that. But getting blood transfusions to save your or another’s life is a sin? Stuff like that seemed iffy. when I started reading articles or videos like this, my heart broke, this is my life, feeling like everything I’ve grown up by my whole life might be wrong, felt so wrong.even know, I don’t want to admit that this might be the truth. If I start asking questions, I would be called an apostate and I would be disfellowshipped, this meaning my parents, siblings, and friends, would consider me dead. So no, I’m not gonna say anything, because even tho it might be wrong, even tho I would no longer feel like what I’m doing is right, I know the people I’ve grown around my whole life are good people and I’m not willing to loose them, selfish? I don’t know, but this is probably gonna be my life.
Jin, I'm very sorry for you. I was df'd in 2004 when I was 20. I had questioned things, but never had serious doubts. I got df'd because I confessed to a bunch of stuff I did trying to "get right with Jehovah." After 2 failed attempts at getting reinstated I finally started waking up. It was a years long process and I've had little to no relationship with my parents during all of it. I'm 35 now and I recently told them that they no longer have the option to shun me. I'm not coming back and I'm just not going to sit out anymore. Know what? It's working. I've been over for dinner. I was invited on the family cruise. Obviously, I'm not recommending this for you right now. I'm just letting you know that there is a place to be authentically you and still have your family. I'll also say this: It's better to find a chosen family outside of the organization than withering as a person with the one you were born into. They are nice people, until you aren't one of them anymore. That doesn't make them different than any other group. It's a fake love, Jin. They don't know it. It's not on purpose; but it's not real. Keep doing your research. Keep getting to know who you are apart from being a witness. Start seeing the good in people and in the world. Look up the word "apostate" in a dictionary and find out what it really means so you can stop fearing it. Make friends outside of the org. You have a long life ahead of you, spend it happy.
@@reggieb184 I'm 13 and I've got lots of suspicions but I cant do much because I'm young, so you have any advice for what I can do, I'm not baptized.
I’m coming across your message 2years after you wrote this…I’m so so sorry this organization made you feel this way 😞
And like you I once felt the same as you…after growing up in this organization and losing a father because I didn’t believe that same as he did I can tell you your perfectly normal to feel the way you do…I guess it came down to me when I was told as a single mother in a domestic violence marriage and was trying to get out my father said to me when I came to him for help “ I could help you if you were in the truth “ made me realize god would never turn is back on me …
I hope you find or found the strength with in to separate from a organization that would separate family and friends because someone would not believe in what they believe in
💕💕💕💕💕💕
@@ctoooc don't get baptized! They tried to pressure me into it. Spend time researching and seeing what truly resonates with you. Don't make the decision to get baptized UNLESS you are 100% sure. If they try to pressure you, remind them Jesus was 30 when he was ready. If you decide to leave, there won't be any punishment, but if you get baptized... well... you already know how that goes.
I left the religion when I was around your age. It wasn't right for me. I know how much fear my parents have about my choice but I always remind them, "God is a reader of hearts, and my heart is good." Sometimes you just have to speak to them in language they understand.
Anyway, it's great you are questioning things and thinking for yourself. Keep doing that. If one day you decide you believe the JWs than you can dedicate yourself to that, but you should never feel forced or coerced into a path of worship without knowing if it's right for you. Hang in there.
I think being disassociating yourself would be the best why stay when at heart you feel this is not you! I questioned soo much when i was like around 7-8 yrs old had enough at 13 and stopped going felt like i had literal fucking shackles on my arms and feet released. What’s sad is they pressure you to baptize yourself young so if you grow up and wanna leave you’re fucked because your family will stop talking to you! But you will be free and happier than a depressed kid
.many people don't know that there are not honorable way to get out of the watchtower, never, even if simply fade away. great job Lloyd i loved when you showed your copy of the elders's "secret book". greetings from Mexico
Greetings Lloyd,
I recently watched Leah Remini's episode on the JW organization! It was great to have seen you in the panel! I commend you on your informative videos!
Listening to Lloyd in the first minute: "I'm going to make this fairly brief"
Looks at timebar... 49 minutes....
🤣🤣🤣
And fortunately he did! I could listen to him 2 hours straight and love every minute!
Lol
Udstødt, en podcast om Jehovas Vidner same. 😌
@@elainebraindrain3174 Lloyd's logical reasoning is food for the mind. GBBS is repulsive to the mind, cuz it stinks.
This is one of the most valuable videos that you have produced that witnesses should see
I don't think I knew any of this when I was a witness, although come across most of it since. You've given me some ideas to mention to 'still-in' family, thank you!
That's the scary and disturbing part. I would venture that 99% of them, have no clue about any of these relevant facts
Excellent video information a must save and share, thank you.
I want that T-shirt!!!!! Every time I see it I LMAO. Especially the tag line "Answers that suck". I'm going to your shop and buying it.
I recently talked to an old friend that served as an elder for 20 years. I asked him... what did he know about Beth Sariam the house build in San Diego.
Rutherford predictions of the 4 fathers.
I could not believe he... an ex elder of 20 years had no clue that took place.
He is still deeply into the organization and thinks that back then people made mistakes but strongly believe that he is in the truth. I told him that wasn’t a mistake... it was a prophecy. I followed by telling the Bible condemned false prophecy to death. He had a puzzle look on his face and I could see he became very uncomfortable and wanted to go. I feel we have to educate them even if they don’t like it.
I totally agree. Most of them are really good people. They've just been mind controlled and are afraid to have any thought "against" what they've been convinced is God's chosen organization. We have to whenever possible, gradually break down the wall of mind control. Even if it doesn't work, at least attempt a respectable approach
Omar Seneriz Information about Beth-Sarim was published during 1939 in a book entitled Salvation. It stated: “rew words Beth Sarim mean “House of the Princes”; and the purpose of acquiring that property and building the house was that there might be some tangible proof that there are those on earth today who fully believe God and Christ Jesus and in His kingdom, and who believe that the faithful men of old will soon be resurrected by the Lord, be back on earth, and take charge of the visible affairs of earth. The title to Beth-Sarim is vested in the WATCH TOWER BIBLE & TRACT SOCIETY in trust, to be used by the president of the Society and his assistants for the present, and thereafter to be for ever at the disposal of the aforementioned princes on the earth. To be sure, everything then on the earth will belong to the Lord, and neither the Lord nor the princes need others to build houses for them; but it was thought well and pleasing to God that the aforementioned house be built as a testimony to the name of Jehovah and showing faith in his announced purposes. The house has served as a testimony to many persons throughout the earth, and while the unbelievers have mocked concerning it and spoken contemptuously of it, yet it stands there as a testimony to Jehovah’s name; and if and when the princes do return and some of them occupy the property, such will be a confirmation of the faith and hope that induced the building of Beth-Sarim.” -Rutherford, Salvation, 311.
If our critics will carefully note, the last sentence said “if and when” the princes do return. So again, all this information was conditional. But we think it is important to realize and to note the reason for building this residence. It was a testimony to the name of Jehovah God and to show faith in his purposes. Now what might be said here at this point is, after all, that Judge Rutherford only did what the apostles wished to do. Note what the apostle Matthew writes in this regard:
After six days Jesus took with him Peter, James and John the brother of James, and led them up a high mountain by themselves. There he was transfigured before them. His face shone like the sun, and his clothes became as white as the light. Just then there appeared before them Moses and Elijah, talking with Jesus.
Peter said to Jesus, “Lord, it is good for us to be here. If you wish, I will put up three shelters-one for you, one for Moses and one for Elijah.”
This same event is also recorded by Mark:
After six days Jesus took Peter, James and John with him and led them up a high mountain, where they were all alone. There he was transfigured before them. His clothes became dazzling white, whiter than anyone in the world could bleach them. And there appeared before them Elijah and Moses, who were talking with Jesus.
Peter said to Jesus, “Rabbi, it is good for us to be here.
Let us put up three shelters -one for you, one for Moses and one for Elijah.” (He did not know what to say, they were so frightened.)
If someone wishes to criticize Judge Rutherford for wanting to have a place for those that are to be resurrected, then certainly he would have to condemn the apostles also because they had the same thought: to prepare a place for the prophets. Is it all right for Peter to talk about building shelters for Elijah, Moses, and Jesus but it is not all right for Witnesses to do something similar? Is this not another case of double standards?
@@NickHawaii Thank you for the information send. I basically believe in what Deuteronomy 18:20 saids about false prophesies.. What Judge Rutherford did wasn't a mistake.. He prophesied and the reality is that is not my place or anybodies place to prophecy or stumble anyone. That is what the Watchtower, Rutherford and the Governing body do and have been doing. I believe God it is putting a stop to them and we all see it already. The light is getting Brighter and Jehovah will put a stop to a group that has been miss representing his name for far too long. God and Jesus loves everyone... not just a specific group. Matthew 28:19 Make Disciples of people of all nations. That means to Help everyone, Love everyone and forgive everyone. Not too SHUNN and feel like you are better that the next person or form groups amount groups and give it a special name ( Pioneers ). That is only causing division.
Omar Seneriz There is a big difference between someone who is just trying to understand Bible prophecy and one who claims a direct communication with God or a miraculous foresight.
For one example, Oral Roberts claimed to be told by a 900 foot Jesus that he was going to be used to find a cure for cancer and people should send him 8 million dollars or God was going to kill him. His cancer medical center was only open for a few years.
This is a clear example of one who meets the requirements of a "false prophet," since he was not just interpreting Scriptural prophecies but he claimed a direct communication from God which proved untrue. (Deuteronomy 13:1)
Jehovah’s Witnesses have misunderstood scripture and prophecies but it doesn’t make us what critics try to portray.
And no there are no divisions among Jehovah’s Witnesses. Many have different gifts and roles in the congregation. Love for you to point me to a group who resembles true Christianity closer. Please show me. Thanks.
Nick Batchelor I am glad you found happiness with that group. As I indicated before Jesus wants people from all nations and group. I am currently part of a small group that study the Bible, we help each other and respect each other. Best of all we do not judge one another since we are all imperfect and no hour require just help everyone with love. Our small group has met a few other groups that are doing the same. I must tell you we could not be happier because is all with love. We help anyone and meet with anyone that needs help regardless or religion. We have to all do what feels good in our heart. I follow God and Jesus not an organization or a Governing body of imperfect man. If Jesus where to come today... is he going to ask you. Nick what have you done to help old people? Or is he going to ask.. how many hours have you put in this year? Think about that. Follow God and Jesus. They will show you the way.
Your channel is excellent, super informative and revealing. Thank you for supporting your words with evidence. I wish that the subtitle option had Spanish, it would be incredible to be able to see subtitles and not use my brain to translate and understand all the information you give. Greetings from Argentina.
I’m still in, been one almost 50 years, I found out all these things about a year ago, when I did research.i will try to bring up some of the things in “field service”
Beauty Rest some of that life-saving unwitnessing work 😂
You have a lot of courage for even making a comment here. Real truth can stand up to close analysis of all the facts
You will only get one shot at it Beauty Rest. From the moment you start to " bring up some of these things" in field service, your days will be numbered. Whoever you speak to will report your comments to the elders. If you need to stay for family reasons, don't say anything to anyone.
Aunty Maggie I’m aware of this very very well, I’m careful to whom and what I say. Thanks!
I was in 46years researched internet 6 months ago, have stopped meetings, field service, if you have family in (TRUTH)..Be very careful about what you say, you know the consequences of disfelloshiping...my wife of tears upset with me but things have settled down, my advice just start fading, If you are challenged in any way do as Jesus did he kept silent and if worked for him I'm sure it Will work for you...
I keep seeing so many similarities between JW and Catholics it's crazy.
Absolutely brilliant video! Clear, concise, factual. Most of which I never knew. What an absolute injustice I did to myself by going along with this awful religion for 30 years. Thank you.
* gives thumbs up before the intro's up*... every blue intro, gets a thumbs up :)
I see in their elders secret book just how they throw the woman under the bus and say its her that 'isn't willing'....always the way they accuse, never the guy who is at fault. I know from personal exp...
They have the narrative that if a women gets raped that its her fault for the way she dresses.
@@MrDenzal27 What if an elder gets beaten up?
Terrific work and thorough bullet points Lloyd! Just catching up on this one here a week before Christmas. Every single Jehovah's Witness should see this episode! And as you said you couldn't even fit in the Beth Sarim/Beth Shan/two 16-cylinder Cadillacs scam that RutherFraud had going from 1929 to 1942. Or even Charles Russell's "Miracle Wheat" nonsense. If origins of holidays and origins of religions are so important to Jehovah's Witnesses then they will watch this and do objective, independent research to draw their own conclusions. Merry Christmas!
The declaration of facts was news to me
Me too. I was surprised too. This is especially the case in light of the purple triangle video.
wow, LABORIOUS!!! LOVE THAT WORD!! i do not remember last time I used this word, but I will make sure I use it several times this week!!!! word of the week! love the Brits with speech!!!!
I enjoyed being reminded of the madness of Watchtower
Each of these issues could be viewed as misguided judgements, honest mistakes or even attributed to individual human imperfections.
The problem for the Witnesses however is that they claim that god is directing them and that their, ‘fruits’ distinguish them from other religions. They are no different from any other religion insofar as they are just men using teleological arguments based on an ancient text to fumble from one outmoded doctrine to the next.
Jeffrey Bungle yes I couldn’t agree more! None of it is a problem unless you claim directly to be communicating with God. Maybe the early view of simply being bible students is more appropriate
Right on.
Well said. Also when you claim you are the only group of people who has the “Truth”.
If so, then why has there never been a renunciation of the JW-Hitler-Support-Doctrine and JW-Jew-Hatred-Doctrine ?!?!
if you reduce them to misguided judgments and other bla bla , then you really don't know what you are talking about, you don't even have a clue my dude. Crimes have been comitted , a lot of them , and the compulsive denial from everyone in that cult (that includes , sometimes , the parents of the molested child) is no FUCKING HONEST MISTAKE. Do you know jw people intimately to know their cult's secrets? no ? then connect your fucking brain before insulting victims of abuse talking about " misguided judgements, honest mistakes, human imperfections".
I learned a few more things from you today. I guess I’m still waking up. Thank you loyd
A prominent elder,(married ss well) that served in the local WT branch and also a CO, had an affair with a married sister (husband was MS) for at least 2 years. When this comes to light, the sister is disfellowshiped, the elder looses his privileges and in just 6 months gets reappointed to his previous status!!! This WT's concept of justice.....
Never mind the obelisks they love to smear the egyptians with, this is the new phallus worship sorry to say.... its so wrong...
Thank you for making me stronger
I found it very interesting. I had been studying with the JW and got a sense that prejudice existed in the Governing Body. I am going to research more about the issues you pointed out in this video. Thank you for bringing light to those of us who are not brainwashed.
I'd say, the study is actually good to continue and all... Just don't get everything they say as rule, before actually looking at what the bible says... More than 10 years being a JW i saw many ppl come and go because at one time they really believed that the government body couldn't be wrong.
I am so glad they are so definite: "more than a few years ago" LOL! And let's not forget, the elders are in a perfect position to judge the "heart" condition, even though they themselves might be committing child abuse. smh
Ya I guess this convenient rule allowed my “well respected in the congregation” elder dad to be a child abuser... but hey, it was more than a few years ago, so no biggie. Disgusting
thank you again for your videos.
I'm actually reading your book so I knew most of the facts. But I really love to listen you....
Accurate and honest as ever. 🤘🏻
Lloyd how can I download this book? My mother the only one in this cult. I need this to try and help her.
Hey, the studio (bunker ?) looks great !
Dear Lloyd - thanks for your excellent video. Finally there are German subtitles. Thank you from the bottom of my heart
I am from South Africa and I remember our Presiding Overseer calling the black races "Kaffirkies" which means "little Kaffirs", a serious racial slur (worse than the "N" word in the USA). I also remember in the early 80's, during a meeting in the white areas, an old black man came into the hall and wanted to sit down to listen to the speaker. He was physically grabbed by 2 attendants and thrown out of the hall.
@Circus Serpent. I'm also in S.A. and honestly to this day the organization still has a racism problem, especially in Afrikaans speaking regions.
Yes, I remember being told by a South African elder friend (now shunning his awakened daughter) while I was still a JW that there was racism between JWs under apartheid.
Circuit serpent.....I love that. We were from SA too (Fish Hoek) and my Dad was an elder. He used to say, 'the circuit serpent is coming'... :)
JW-Black-Racism extends to the modern day in another form. JW-Sharia-Halls purposely EXCLUDE JEWS from the congregation, even though ALL other minorities are welcomed, particularly JW-Muslims, who have had a life-long indoctrination of hating and despising the Jewish people.
@@humbles19 We where from Blaauwberg. Left a few years ago.
I was raised a JW. Regular Pioneer, Ministerial Servant, was asked to be an Elder just before I got out. You are making some good arguments and pointing out some things a normal critical thinking mind would want to really look into, would really question. This is the main reason the JWs discourage higher education. It develops a critical thinker. And a critical thinker is going to begin to question things. Those who didn't seek higher education may develop their critical thinking as a result of purely life experience over many years. But higher education fast tracks it. I finally decided to go to college in my 20s. I took a critical thinking class in college and after that class I started to analyze the "religion" I was raised in. After a bit of thinking and speaking with other critical thinkers I knew it operated more like a money and property grabbing cult than a religion.
thank you so much from a disfellowshipped person for over 25 years
Those that choose to not research are doomed to forever be ignorant
Mannnn, the more research that I dig up, the more that it is convincing me to remove myself from the organization. I was doing the exact same research I also read the the elders book and there is a lot of things that I see wrong in it and other things that are just not adding up.
Thankyou John ,,as an ex JW I am surprised by nothing in your factual, provable video. I was once told ,,,by an elder, put yourself into the centre of the congratulation and I,,will make sure your made a ministerial servant very quickly. I left this very corrupt organisation a long time ago,, after 38 years as a Baptised witness. My wife of 50 years is still a JW ,we live together but lead separate lives , don't eat together, or ever ,ever speak to one another.
JOSS Bedford.
Doesn't it say in Proverbs that "The one covering over his transgression will not succeed"? Well apparently you CAN cover it over AND succeed!
I work for an Elder. He keeps the “Shepherding the Flock” book on the coffee table! I pick it up and read it all the time 🤣😂
Most JW's I know couldn't tell you who started their cult or even when it was started. They have zero idea of how the cult ran or what literature they put out for the past 100 years. What they do know for a fact is that if you zoom in on a dragonfly, its so complex that it must be proof of god therefore evolution didn't happen. Would you like to join in on a weekly bible study with me?
I never finished Bible studies or became a Jehovah Witness. I am being shunned. It is not surprising to me that even though I was told to stay in touch that this happened. Proves to me that Jehovah witnesses do not love their neighbors as themselves.
All of those religions are made by MAN, not by God. Whoever God is talk to us individualy. We dont need Man to tell us what God wants from us.
That was truly enlightening. Thank you for that great video
I'm a bit confused. I thought JW's were not allowed to marry or get involved with non JW's? I see a few commenters referring to their JW spouses, who are not JW's themselves.
There are different levels of "not allowed" in the JW religion. Marrying an unbeliever is heavily frowned upon, but not *yet* a disfellowshipping offense.
@@LloydEvans Thank you for clarifying that.
It was probably considered when they df’ed me. I’m going to marry a non witness and they were so shocked and kept going on about it but he’s my soulmate. We’ve waited years to get married so they’ve taken the joy out of that! I was df’ed not because I sinned but because of what it looked like. My witness friend of 20 years has shunned and unfriended me gosh that hurt more than anything. People you’ve loved as a friend just cutting you off even when I’ve done nothing wrong. So relieved my family aren’t witnesses or I’d be committing suicide.
Ciao Lloyd, ho apprezzato molto questo tuo video per gli argomenti e per il modo rispettoso con cui li hai trattati. Sono stato 45 anni Testimone e anche anziano per 10 anni. Anche io grande studioso delle pubblicazioni Watchtower, ma non con una biblioteca fantastica. Il tuo lavoro di ricerca è I tuoi video mi hanno aiutato molto ad aprire i miei occhi. Ti ringrazio molto di questo. Ciao
See article: "Rutherford Exposed: The Story of Berta and Bonnie"
Lloyd: that could be a great topic for one of your future videos.
Great video Lloyd and keep up the good work. You are helping many people
I love how there is no definition to „several years” but they do define widely known words in each of the broadcasting episodes 🙄
You don't lie. And we appreciate all your fact-based research. And it's also very nice that we get the text in Danish!

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My dad was an elder for years, and I never knew about this secret book. But I have it now! 🤣