wow man.... the Metal kit sounds incredible. Being that I am buying my first GGD I was debating these two and the modern fusion. They all sound incredible, but I think the Metal suits the tone in my head! Thank you!!
Thank you for this video. I'm just getting started producing my own music after 20 years as just a guitarist. This has helped me immensely to get started.
Hey man I really appreciate this video. With the GGD sale going on this week I've been on the fence of OKW: Metal or just going Invasion + Smash and Grab. I've had Modern and Massive for a long time but I don't have the full time to sit around and mix it and fully study into it because of work. This video really is helping me see how much work OKW could help me moderate so I don't sit on songs for months and release more consistently. Thanks so much for this upload! Cheers!
Hey man, glad you dig the video, thanks for watching! Can't go wrong with any of the GGD products. But I gotta say, since getting OKW Metal I don't use Invasion nearly as much (I still do...but OKW Metal is my go to right now). Cheers!
The thing I've noticed with less processed samples, like Superior Drummer and GGD Invasion, is that you really have to know what you're doing in order to get the best out of them. Otherwise, it's better to just stick with more processed sounds like EZ Drummer and One Kit Wonder. I've been recording and mixing my own music for about 10 years and still don't really know what I'm doing, so I stick with processed drum samples.
I think this is the best video comparison I ever saw, I wish all videos comparison were like this… Haha, thank you for this masterpiece. Actually I don’t know why but I don’t like too much the Invasion sound, even if it comes with loads of stuffs, but I prefer the Modern and Massive kit… Im between modern&massive and one kit wonder metal. Cheers!
Great demo and comparison! Both sound great in their own rights but are still pretty different. For getting a great sound right out of the box, Metal does it better. Invasion on the other hand has much more customizability and room to experiment with. Invasion also works much better if you want to go for a more dry or "raw" sounding mix/tone (think Monuments/old Periphery sound). Metal on the other hand would fit much better in a more modern and tight sounding mix (basically most major metalcore/djent/prog albums in the past few few years).
Fully agree. If you like the okw sound then you’re gold. If you don’t or your tastes change, then you’re sorta stuck with it. Thanks for watching, cheers!
Thanks for the comparison Scott. I'm a beginner to all this, and I'm wondering if it's possible to EQ the OKW snare to reduce some of the body and increase the "crack" so that it sounds more like your Invasion snare. Given that the Vinnie Paul is a 8" wood snare, maybe it is difficult to do that.
You could try, but I find when you overuse EQ to get something to sound like it's not you end up getting something that sounds over-processed (not just drums but anything really). I find the best EQ is subtle. With that said perhaps a bit of EQ and compression could get you where you want to go. I opted not to use the VP snare in my Invasion demo as I am not a huge fan of how it sounds in Invasion, but I think it sounds great the way it's processed in OKW. Thanks for watching!
I wish they had released OKW:Metal a year ago, I bought invasion last Jan, and with no production knowledge at all I had to learn everything from scratch and I finally got the kit to sound really good after many months, I just bought OKW and after a few tweeks had the kit sounding really good in 15 minutes. I think both kits are great, but why would you want to buy something that takes a ridiculous amount of time to sound good when you can buy somthing that sounds good almost immediately? The only thing that would make sense for GGD to do from now on would be to release kits that have more interchangeable instruments that are already pre processed.
I think the pre-processed kits are great don’t get me wrong but if that’s not the sound you want you can’t really undo what’s already baked in. So OKW libraries are great and have their place, but they aren’t for everyone. Something like Invasion is awesome if you want a good foundational starting point and have the time/knowledge to do your own processing to build a unique drum tone. But I do agree some version of OKW where you could swap out snares or other drums would be pretty great. Thanks for watching!
I much prefer the sound of invasion with all the processing you did, but I don't know if I know enough about drum processing to warrant getting invasion and smash and grab over OKW Metal, thoughts?
OKW Metal is really great and absolutely worth it! However, in the long run, the Invasion would probably do you more justice since Invasion is a lot more customizable and has a lot of variety in genres other than metal. It actually isn’t that hard to process it since it sounds pretty good without processing.
OKW Metal is totally worth it in my opinion if you want to just get started with some great sounding drums. But Invasion is pretty awesome and not that hard to wrap your head around once you give it a chance. It's a great foundational sound, and with Turbo on it takes some of the guesswork out of it. But if you learn a bit about compression and EQ you can really make it shine and customize it to your liking. I will probably start using both of these kits regularly and likely blend them. The kick and especially the snare in OKW Metal is amazing. And I love the toms and cymbals in Invasion.
Cool videos man. I own invasion. I noticed that the okw metal use one of the same snare trigger like in invasion. Probably a different shells with the snare isn't as high tune as invasion and the cpu usage with turbo in invasion is just insane lol
Ya the snare in OKW Metal is the Vinnie Paul sig, which is also one of the snares in Invasion but they definitely sound different between the two libraries. And yes invasion full turbo is crazy on CPU but to be honest I find OKW is really heavy on my cpu as well.
@@firmans12 That I'm not too sure about since I don't own those. But, if you check the Facebook group for GGD I've seen a handful of people comment about the CPU usage of OKW Metal as well. Not to mention, the china sounds a bit weird...
I agree, the cymbals on Invasion are done really well. As good as OKW is, the cymbals (especially the china) are not as good. With a bit of extra EQ and Compression on the cymbal channel though I can bring them up in the mix a little nicer with OKW, but for this demo I wanted to just showcase the out of the box sounds with OKW. Thanks for watching!
Invasion has more round robins (8 for kicks, 9 for snares, 7 for hats and 6 for rides) but fewer velocity layers (9 for kicks, 11 for snares, 6 for hats and rides), OKW metal has far more velocity layers (12 for kick, 18 for snare, 11 for cymbals) but only 5 round robins for each piece. On top of that, the softest velocity layer in Invasion still hits pretty hard (for soft hits), which limits the dynamics of ghost notes and rolls in Invasion, OKW metal, due to its limited round robins, will sound like a machine gun if you program tons of ghost notes/16th notes on one piece at fast tempos - for example, try groove 8 of song 1 in the Progressive Fusion groove pack and listen to the hats, big yikes. Conclusion is neither is good for formal releases and productions because they simply don't sound realistic and dynamic enough, however, given how lightweight they are (especially OKW, takes less than 500MB RAM with one instance), they are fantastic tools for songwriting, demo sketching and capturing quick ideas. I use GGD for writing and demos, also triggers, but for productions, Superior Drummer 3 is still the big gun. Good to have both in our arsenals though, different jobs, different tools.
For sure. For the price GGD is great. And for the most part (especially OKW) it’s pushed as a tool for demoing songs and helping quickly with songwriting. SP on the other hand is incredible, no question it’s the big gun, but it’s also like 10 times the cost of OKW.
I agree and disagree. I have Superior Drummer 3 and Death and Darkness. I reach for P4 more than superior drummer now. Actually thinking about selling my Death and Darkness license. It’s a matter of opinion
Totally. I think depending on what you are using it for and how you use it there are many who prefer GGD. I’ve heard from some SP3 users that stopped using it once they went to GGD.
@@ScottBynoe I know I’ll be crucified for this but Death and Darkness just isn’t for me. Mark Lewis cymbals are too bright and Tuas kits are cool but don’t fit my vibe. GGD is very usable with minimal processing
Lots of scenarios and stuff going on in this video, so feel free to jump ahead to a spot you're interested in:
► 1. Intro - 0:00
► 2. Pro Tools Session & Shootout Overview - 1:04
► 3. Interface & features of OKW Metal vs GGD Invasion - 2:18
► 4. Demo: Invasion Default - 3:40
► 5. Demo: Invasion Turbo - 4:15
► 6. Demo: OKW Metal Default/Startup - 4:54
► 7. Demo: Invasion Scott's Kit/Processed - 5:15
► 8. Demo: OKW Metal Mix Ready Kit - 6:29
► 9. Demo (in a mix): Invasion Scott's Kit/Processed - 6:57
► 10. Demo (in a mix): OKW Metal Mix Ready Kit - 7:39
► 11. A/B Comparison: OKW Metal Startup vs Invasion Turbo - 8:13
► 12. A/B Comparison: OKW Metal Mix Ready vs Invasion Scott's Kit/Processed - 8:53
► 13. A/B Comparison (in a mix): OKW Metal Mix Ready vs Invasion Scott's Kit/Processed - 9:30
► 14. Outro - 10:21
Great demo and comparison. This was exactly what i was looking for. The OKW is such a great deal. Great channel and keep it up!
Ya for the money it’s hard to beat the quality that comes out of this plugin. Thanks for watching, as always I appreciate it man!
wow man.... the Metal kit sounds incredible. Being that I am buying my first GGD I was debating these two and the modern fusion. They all sound incredible, but I think the Metal suits the tone in my head! Thank you!!
Can’t go wrong with OKW Metal!
Thank you for this video. I'm just getting started producing my own music after 20 years as just a guitarist. This has helped me immensely to get started.
That's great to hear! Best of luck with the production, thanks for watching!
Great video Scott. I really like the straight up comparisons that you did.
Thanks man!
Hey man I really appreciate this video. With the GGD sale going on this week I've been on the fence of OKW: Metal or just going Invasion + Smash and Grab. I've had Modern and Massive for a long time but I don't have the full time to sit around and mix it and fully study into it because of work. This video really is helping me see how much work OKW could help me moderate so I don't sit on songs for months and release more consistently.
Thanks so much for this upload! Cheers!
Hey man, glad you dig the video, thanks for watching! Can't go wrong with any of the GGD products. But I gotta say, since getting OKW Metal I don't use Invasion nearly as much (I still do...but OKW Metal is my go to right now). Cheers!
Thanks, was having trouble deciding which to buy but imma go with the OKW. Great video!
They are both great. But you really can’t go wrong with OKW. It’s been my go to since I downloaded it. Thanks for watching. Cheers!
I have both these kits! Based off of this comparison I seriously prefer one kit wonder
Ya one kit wonder is amazing. It’s zero effort and it sounds really good.
I love the snare on invasion, but I actually wish the bass wasn’t as punchy
The thing I've noticed with less processed samples, like Superior Drummer and GGD Invasion, is that you really have to know what you're doing in order to get the best out of them. Otherwise, it's better to just stick with more processed sounds like EZ Drummer and One Kit Wonder. I've been recording and mixing my own music for about 10 years and still don't really know what I'm doing, so I stick with processed drum samples.
Very true!
the guitars are tight man, and the comparison is sick, now i know what i have to go for, great man
Thanks for watching man, cheers! Glad you dig it!
@@ScottBynoe btw would u like to share some .wav samples of kick and snare, if u are comfortable.
On point comparison bro! Great job.
Thank you sir, I appreciate that. Thanks for watching!
I think this is the best video comparison I ever saw, I wish all videos comparison were like this…
Haha, thank you for this masterpiece.
Actually I don’t know why but I don’t like too much the Invasion sound, even if it comes with loads of stuffs, but I prefer the Modern and Massive kit…
Im between modern&massive and one kit wonder metal.
Cheers!
Hey thanks for saying that! I really appreciate it. OKW Metal has been my ‘go to’ lately, for the money it’s really a great kit. Cheers!
Great demo and comparison! Both sound great in their own rights but are still pretty different.
For getting a great sound right out of the box, Metal does it better. Invasion on the other hand has much more customizability and room to experiment with. Invasion also works much better if you want to go for a more dry or "raw" sounding mix/tone (think Monuments/old Periphery sound). Metal on the other hand would fit much better in a more modern and tight sounding mix (basically most major metalcore/djent/prog albums in the past few few years).
Fully agree. If you like the okw sound then you’re gold. If you don’t or your tastes change, then you’re sorta stuck with it. Thanks for watching, cheers!
Thanks for the comparison Scott. I'm a beginner to all this, and I'm wondering if it's possible to EQ the OKW snare to reduce some of the body and increase the "crack" so that it sounds more like your Invasion snare. Given that the Vinnie Paul is a 8" wood snare, maybe it is difficult to do that.
You could try, but I find when you overuse EQ to get something to sound like it's not you end up getting something that sounds over-processed (not just drums but anything really). I find the best EQ is subtle. With that said perhaps a bit of EQ and compression could get you where you want to go. I opted not to use the VP snare in my Invasion demo as I am not a huge fan of how it sounds in Invasion, but I think it sounds great the way it's processed in OKW. Thanks for watching!
Thanks for the great video! It's so helpful!
Cheers! Thanks for watching!
I wish they had released OKW:Metal a year ago, I bought invasion last Jan, and with no production knowledge at all I had to learn everything from scratch and I finally got the kit to sound really good after many months, I just bought OKW and after a few tweeks had the kit sounding really good in 15 minutes. I think both kits are great, but why would you want to buy something that takes a ridiculous amount of time to sound good when you can buy somthing that sounds good almost immediately? The only thing that would make sense for GGD to do from now on would be to release kits that have more interchangeable instruments that are already pre processed.
I think the pre-processed kits are great don’t get me wrong but if that’s not the sound you want you can’t really undo what’s already baked in. So OKW libraries are great and have their place, but they aren’t for everyone. Something like Invasion is awesome if you want a good foundational starting point and have the time/knowledge to do your own processing to build a unique drum tone. But I do agree some version of OKW where you could swap out snares or other drums would be pretty great. Thanks for watching!
I use the one kit wonder metal and I love it. I just wish I could adjust the amount of parallel compression lmao
Helpful video, thank you
Cheers. Glad it helped!
I much prefer the sound of invasion with all the processing you did, but I don't know if I know enough about drum processing to warrant getting invasion and smash and grab over OKW Metal, thoughts?
I'm currently using the OKW Modern fusion kit, but am looking for something a bit heavier for heavier songs that I'm writing
OKW Metal is really great and absolutely worth it! However, in the long run, the Invasion would probably do you more justice since Invasion is a lot more customizable and has a lot of variety in genres other than metal. It actually isn’t that hard to process it since it sounds pretty good without processing.
OKW Metal is totally worth it in my opinion if you want to just get started with some great sounding drums. But Invasion is pretty awesome and not that hard to wrap your head around once you give it a chance. It's a great foundational sound, and with Turbo on it takes some of the guesswork out of it. But if you learn a bit about compression and EQ you can really make it shine and customize it to your liking. I will probably start using both of these kits regularly and likely blend them. The kick and especially the snare in OKW Metal is amazing. And I love the toms and cymbals in Invasion.
Great demo Scott
Thank you sir, I appreciate that! Cheers!
@@ScottBynoe You're welcome
Cool videos man. I own invasion.
I noticed that the okw metal use one of the same snare trigger like in invasion. Probably a different shells with the snare isn't as high tune as invasion and the cpu usage with turbo in invasion is just insane lol
Ya the snare in OKW Metal is the Vinnie Paul sig, which is also one of the snares in Invasion but they definitely sound different between the two libraries. And yes invasion full turbo is crazy on CPU but to be honest I find OKW is really heavy on my cpu as well.
@@ScottBynoe damn really man? I should be thinking of buying it. Is it heavier on the cpu compared to modern fusion and aggressive rock?
@@firmans12 That I'm not too sure about since I don't own those. But, if you check the Facebook group for GGD I've seen a handful of people comment about the CPU usage of OKW Metal as well. Not to mention, the china sounds a bit weird...
Great comparison. Yeah, both are good but once processed Invasion is still winner for me, specially regarding cymbals.
I agree, the cymbals on Invasion are done really well. As good as OKW is, the cymbals (especially the china) are not as good. With a bit of extra EQ and Compression on the cymbal channel though I can bring them up in the mix a little nicer with OKW, but for this demo I wanted to just showcase the out of the box sounds with OKW. Thanks for watching!
Awesome work!!! KEEP UP!!!
I appreciate you saying that, thanks for dropping in and checking out the video, cheers!
I think you just sold me a One Kit Wonder!
For the the money and how it sounds, it’s hard to go wrong. It s great kit!
Is Smash and Grab a separate plug in?
Yes
OKW is pretty slick but that snare on your invasion preset is to die for
Thanks! Invasion is pretty powerful.
7:11 gave me hella SOAD vibes it was kinda cool
Invasion has more round robins (8 for kicks, 9 for snares, 7 for hats and 6 for rides) but fewer velocity layers (9 for kicks, 11 for snares, 6 for hats and rides), OKW metal has far more velocity layers (12 for kick, 18 for snare, 11 for cymbals) but only 5 round robins for each piece. On top of that, the softest velocity layer in Invasion still hits pretty hard (for soft hits), which limits the dynamics of ghost notes and rolls in Invasion, OKW metal, due to its limited round robins, will sound like a machine gun if you program tons of ghost notes/16th notes on one piece at fast tempos - for example, try groove 8 of song 1 in the Progressive Fusion groove pack and listen to the hats, big yikes.
Conclusion is neither is good for formal releases and productions because they simply don't sound realistic and dynamic enough, however, given how lightweight they are (especially OKW, takes less than 500MB RAM with one instance), they are fantastic tools for songwriting, demo sketching and capturing quick ideas. I use GGD for writing and demos, also triggers, but for productions, Superior Drummer 3 is still the big gun. Good to have both in our arsenals though, different jobs, different tools.
For sure. For the price GGD is great. And for the most part (especially OKW) it’s pushed as a tool for demoing songs and helping quickly with songwriting. SP on the other hand is incredible, no question it’s the big gun, but it’s also like 10 times the cost of OKW.
@@ScottBynoe Not to mention SD3 is exponentially heavier too lol, I had to get another SSD for Death and Darkness, that library in itself is 180GB.
I agree and disagree. I have Superior Drummer 3 and Death and Darkness. I reach for P4 more than superior drummer now. Actually thinking about selling my Death and Darkness license. It’s a matter of opinion
Totally. I think depending on what you are using it for and how you use it there are many who prefer GGD. I’ve heard from some SP3 users that stopped using it once they went to GGD.
@@ScottBynoe I know I’ll be crucified for this but Death and Darkness just isn’t for me. Mark Lewis cymbals are too bright and Tuas kits are cool but don’t fit my vibe. GGD is very usable with minimal processing
Just wish one kit wonder wasn't so ugly on the eyes 🤣
Lol I never really thought about it that way.