The root cause of this incident was the tire outer diameter grew once at speed and contacted the swingarm. It was found that other bikes in the field including Yamaha's were doing the same thing but the issue was remedied before another disaster occurred.
One would think that this would have a "braking effect" on the rear tyre, slowing it down, this would stop the growing effect of the tyre diameter. Just a thought.
@@TheHalloweenmasks I'd have to assume it was just enough growth to eventually and gradually destroy the tire. Between momentum and the HP/torque of the mighty 750 2-strokes, the scrub apparently went un- noticed by the rider(s).
Hard to believd they didn't test tire growth on a dyno/test rig for those very high speeds. Then again those days weren't as tedious about safety as now.
I think the motor locked personally , I don’t buy the tyre story, it may have even made the motor blow if the tyre was frictioning the swing arm hard possibly - just a thought - nasty nasty accident though - must have hastened Barry,s life
i saw this guy at cadwell park 6 weeks after this crash, what an absolute fucking hero. he may have only done a few laps but my lord what a hard bastard. i shall never forget him!!!
i was also there., watched from alongside the grid Barrys leg looked very thin from the operation. I remember how squeemish I felt watching Barry launch the front wheel off the line. No armour in those leathers in them days.
God I love the sound of two stroke engines with open expansion chambers. Brings me back to the early 70’s. Daytona back then was an endurance race. The tires had to last the whole race. The riders couldn’t get too racy or the tires would go off and their race would be over. That’s why the Yamaha 350’s did so well there. Not too fast but still able to get around quick enough and handled good enough because they were light.
Those RG500,s were insane.Either nothing or everything.There was a good documentary on /if modern GP racers now could handle the powerbands.They had disc valves of sorts on the ports that maximised power.2 strokers are mad engines at that size anyway.
What is shocking is the leathers worn back then - more like a fashion statement than a protection against friction burns. How Barry described that split second feeling when it happened...
Remember seeing Barry at Donnington around 1980. That was when Randy Mamola pulled the wheelie going over finishing line, think he got disqualified for it! Barry was also on This Is Your Life with Eamon Andrews and they had the doc who 'Rebuilt' Barry as one of the many guests
When I was a little kid I pestered Barry for stickers in the pits at Silverstone when he was sitting in his garden chair in his AKAI leathers. I was a little bastard but I loved Barry. Always numbered my bicycles with a 7. "Cam back later, I told ya ...cam back later, I ain't got 'em 'ere!" I did and he had them for me. Bless 'im. It's fucking shit that he could survive what he did and...
@ Anson Critchlow • Better yet could you imagine Barry's inventiveness? One of his helmets he had drilled a hole so he could stick a cigarette through it and smoke it without having to remove said helmet ?
miss the 2 smokes and legends like Barry. Wish Daytona was still an International race. They have completely trashed it for motorcycles. Some due to riders safety concerns the remainder falls on promoters, changes and owners. only few can run there without fear!
What he said about fear is bang on I've had a tz 250 seize on me in a fast corner right as I shut the throttle,I wasn't going as fast as Barry but it's frigging scary having the rear break loose and come around like that ,he was a top rider big ups Bazza # 7
@@boycottjews cool! They should record em' so after everything is electric, they can play it through a speaker to keep the spectators from falling asleep! ✌️🏁😂
@@chucklaneChuckylane i actually just learned that yesterday or so on a GP tech talk. Hopefully they never go e. I like the idea of keeping engines and tanks or water to convert to hydrogen. That way we keep the manual alive and the soul of riding.
@@boycottjews I don't see how people are going to get to enjoy racing as we know it in the years to come, sure, it'll go on even with electric powered machines, but for younger kids who grow up around it, they might get a charge out of it, but nothing like we know of the sounds and the smell that racing once was. I can't even imagine what a Speedway race will be like without it, or the sound of a multi cylinder two stroke coming at you from down a long straight section, then downshifting as it gets into a turn and back on again WFO! Chills!
1.54 "one of the disks is a little bit warped" modern disc brake systems have " float" either in the disc or the caliper, without float a warped solid mounted disc hits the pads in the solid mounted calliper, the resulting heat causes the brake fluid to expand filling the reservoir, once full the expanding fluid pushes the pistons out,further increasing heat, what we are seeing here is the development of the modern braking system curtsey of Sheene,s broken bones
The medical help was appalling if he had broken his neck or back no chance!! How far we have come thankfully RIP Bazza the only true goat and a true entertainer
It's hard to beleive it's nearly 10 years since Barry died,I had thevprivelidge of meeting him a few times, & a freind of mine told Barry that he wanted to race bikes & that was it we spoke to him for at least 30 mins
interesting to see how differently things were done back then. chucking the bike onto the back of a truck. the way they loaded Sheene into the ambulance!! Compare it to nowadays!
Was he going that fast that the back tyre expanded and starting rubbing on the swinging arm, burst and spat him off? Or did the back end lock up, chain snap?
+MOLMENTUSS those big 2 strokers at high speeds were none to sieze up when pullin in clutch to shift had to keep throttle open so rpms didn't drop so low so ive been told
wait a minute. how did the ambulance get there so fast? There is no way that vehicle could have gotten on the track right next to Barry at the moment this was videotaped. hell, the cycle and barry would have crashed brickwall into it, if it had been there. the daytona safety crew are pretty damn good, but for practice? Motorcycle practice? Still, they got the chap to hospital and he did not die. Kinda' rare for a 165 mph get-off.
+heliopolis29: he did ride at the TT but always thought it too dangerous so refused to go, he copped a lot of flak at the time because it was still part of the world championship back then.
Barry was a true warrior, a legend in the realm of motorcycle road racing in the same league with Micheal Hailwood.
And an exceptional commentator as well.
not seen this for 35 years!!! Thank you!
We miss you Barry. Wish you were still here with us.
The root cause of this incident was the tire outer diameter grew once at speed and contacted the swingarm. It was found that other bikes in the field including Yamaha's were doing the same thing but the issue was remedied before another disaster occurred.
One would think that this would have a "braking effect" on the rear tyre, slowing it down, this would stop the growing effect of the tyre diameter. Just a thought.
@@TheHalloweenmasks
I'd have to assume it was just enough growth to eventually and gradually destroy the tire.
Between momentum and the HP/torque of the mighty 750 2-strokes, the scrub apparently went un- noticed by the rider(s).
Hard to believd they didn't test tire growth on a dyno/test rig for those very high speeds. Then again those days weren't as tedious about safety as now.
Did you hear the mechanic warning Sheen of the damp patch coming off the turn?
I think the motor locked personally , I don’t buy the tyre story, it may have even made the motor blow if the tyre was frictioning the swing arm hard possibly - just a thought - nasty nasty accident though - must have hastened Barry,s life
RIP Barry you were and are a legend.
Two Legends together!! Berry and Gary! 😪
Nice friendly guy. Met him in Sweden many times. 5 times winner in Anderstorp.
i saw this guy at cadwell park 6 weeks after this crash, what an absolute fucking hero. he may have only done a few laps but my lord what a hard bastard. i shall never forget him!!!
Was there as well at Cadwell and see sheen that day
Couldn't agree more. I went to Cadwell and if I remember rightly Barry Ditchburn won and it was Phil Read's last outing on the MV.
i was also there., watched from alongside the grid Barrys leg looked very thin from the operation. I remember how squeemish I felt watching Barry launch the front wheel off the line. No armour in those leathers in them days.
The guy had balls of steel.
God I love the sound of two stroke engines with open expansion chambers. Brings me back to the early 70’s. Daytona back then was an endurance race. The tires had to last the whole race. The riders couldn’t get too racy or the tires would go off and their race would be over. That’s why the Yamaha 350’s did so well there. Not too fast but still able to get around quick enough and handled good enough because they were light.
Those RG500,s were insane.Either nothing or everything.There was a good documentary on /if modern GP racers now could handle the powerbands.They had disc valves of sorts on the ports that maximised power.2 strokers are mad engines at that size anyway.
God rest him -the most famous bike racer and what a hard bloke.....
Just something about the whole look of it, those epic stands in the background against the polaroid blue sky, love it
What is shocking is the leathers worn back then - more like a fashion statement than a protection against friction burns. How Barry described that split second feeling when it happened...
1.5 mm think Leather with a Lining, and then Skin and Bone!! 😱😱
He survived high speed crashes but died from cancer from cigarettes 😢
Si ,le maledette sigarette.
Remember seeing Barry at Donnington around 1980. That was when Randy Mamola pulled the wheelie going over finishing line, think he got disqualified for it! Barry was also on This Is Your Life with Eamon Andrews and they had the doc who 'Rebuilt' Barry as one of the many guests
When I was a little kid I pestered Barry for stickers in the pits at Silverstone when he was sitting in his garden chair in his AKAI leathers. I was a little bastard but I loved Barry. Always numbered my bicycles with a 7. "Cam back later, I told ya ...cam back later, I ain't got 'em 'ere!" I did and he had them for me.
Bless 'im. It's fucking shit that he could survive what he did and...
I cant imagine Valentino Rossi having a cigarette during practice days lol
@ Anson Critchlow • Better yet could you imagine Barry's inventiveness? One of his helmets he had drilled a hole so he could stick a cigarette through it and smoke it without having to remove said helmet ?
wow, you witnessed the cadwell race, awesome, wat a great memory to have, wish I was there.
miss the 2 smokes and legends like Barry. Wish Daytona was still an International race. They have completely trashed it for motorcycles. Some due to riders safety concerns the remainder falls on promoters, changes and owners. only few can run there without fear!
Sarai sempre leggenda Barry!
Sheeny is, along with Falklands hero Simon Weston, one of my heroes.
Tough dude. Hard as a coffin nail. RIP
Hitting the pavement at 170mph is no bueno!!
Takes you back! I remember when he was just starting out ,him and his dad at Olivers Mount UK
Was that Kel Caruthers in the Yamaha shirt helping Barry onto the stretcher?..
Can remember this when I was young sheene was tough as nails to come back from this accident
what vhs was this from?
Like that lol "Didn't sound like an expensive noise "
What he said about fear is bang on I've had a tz 250 seize on me in a fast corner right as I shut the throttle,I wasn't going as fast as Barry but it's frigging scary having the rear break loose and come around like that ,he was a top rider big ups Bazza # 7
I loved it when there were no silencers!
currently they're gone again because the DB reading is at 5k rpm and they dont need them to pass it.
@@boycottjews cool! They should record em' so after everything is electric, they can play it through a speaker to keep the spectators from falling asleep! ✌️🏁😂
@@chucklaneChuckylane i actually just learned that yesterday or so on a GP tech talk.
Hopefully they never go e.
I like the idea of keeping engines and tanks or water to convert to hydrogen. That way we keep the manual alive and the soul of riding.
@@boycottjews I don't see how people are going to get to enjoy racing as we know it in the years to come, sure, it'll go on even with electric powered machines, but for younger kids who grow up around it, they might get a charge out of it, but nothing like we know of the sounds and the smell that racing once was. I can't even imagine what a Speedway race will be like without it, or the sound of a multi cylinder two stroke coming at you from down a long straight section, then downshifting as it gets into a turn and back on again WFO! Chills!
@@chucklaneChuckylane I just really hope and think gas isn't going anywhere. Espasically for bikes
1.54 "one of the disks is a little bit warped" modern disc brake systems have " float" either in the disc or the caliper, without float a warped solid mounted disc hits the pads in the solid mounted calliper, the resulting heat causes the brake fluid to expand filling the reservoir, once full the expanding fluid pushes the pistons out,further increasing heat, what we are seeing here is the development of the modern braking system curtsey of Sheene,s broken bones
Bike is 3 cylinder 2 times?
True Grit. Miss u Bazza.
The medical help was appalling if he had broken his neck or back no chance!! How far we have come thankfully
RIP Bazza the only true goat and a true entertainer
It's hard to beleive it's nearly 10 years since Barry died,I had thevprivelidge of meeting him a few times, & a freind of mine told Barry that he wanted to race bikes & that was it we spoke to him for at least 30 mins
Great geezer sadly missed
Pretty cool leathers.
interesting to see how differently things were done back then. chucking the bike onto the back of a truck. the way they loaded Sheene into the ambulance!! Compare it to nowadays!
Chez Kr
Was a 'man's world back then for sure!'...
Tuff guys. No rider aids etc. Proper good old school racing.
The Dunlop engineer states to Barry, we've had to stiffen the tyres up! Clearly not enough!
Was he going that fast that the back tyre expanded and starting rubbing on the swinging arm, burst and spat him off? Or did the back end lock up, chain snap?
'Twas a lock up
+MOLMENTUSS those big 2 strokers at high speeds were none to sieze up when pullin in clutch to shift had to keep throttle open so rpms didn't drop so low so ive been told
Tyre delimitation caused the back wheel to seize...
oh thought she seized up
only Bazza could come back so quickly from that. Farkkk!
Dearly missed.
6:54 no stretcher spoon...with broken collarbone...that's horrific
Fantástico pueden pasar siglos y este va ser el mejor derrape del mundo 😉 alto rider
Legend
Yes 😭✌🏼
Barry at his best against Guy Martin and Foggy...?
That's a crazy way for a ambulance crew to lift a RTA victim off the road.
Totally agree 👍
Thats how they did it in them days
There is a line you can see as soon as he hits it the back came round
Unless it was the film
But its too uncanny
Why these 2strokes sports bikes are not build now
I think it's because of emmissions(global warming), but China can build coal power plants into the future......lol.
Barry el número 1!!!!!!✊✊✊👏👏🏍
salute
How crap was the first aid back them.
wait a minute. how did the ambulance get there so fast? There is no way that vehicle could have gotten on the track right next to Barry at the moment this was videotaped. hell, the cycle and barry would have crashed brickwall into it, if it had been there. the daytona safety crew are pretty damn good, but for practice? Motorcycle practice?
Still, they got the chap to hospital and he did not die. Kinda' rare for a 165 mph get-off.
Michael Towle you can see the tape froze and or cut
Everything was going good…until it wasn’t….
This is fantastic except for quality, a shame this would've been a keeper ,but thanks anyway 👍
My boyhood hero RIP Bazza
I fell of my moped at 32MPH.I broke my mirrors and scratched my tank.Fuck,I was lucky. 😂😂😂😂
I bet the hospital sawed the helmet off.
what a great loss to the sport
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これでは、ハイサイドなのかスリップダウンなのか分からないがヨーロピアンだからハイサイドだと思う
After all he went through, to lose his life to a sneaky bastard of a disease 😔
He was a hero, yes. I always wondered how well he would have done had he entered the IOM TT. One can only speculate in hindsight..
+heliopolis29: he did ride at the TT but always thought it too dangerous so refused to go, he copped a lot of flak at the time because it was still part of the world championship back then.
SmokinJoe347
My dad claims he saw Barry Sheene race at New Brighton and that was a road circuit... Not the south coast either - Birkinhead peninsula!.
4 stroke=gay
2 stroke=not gay
Its That Simple!
Bring back 2 stroke !!
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