I agree with what you are saying. I will make the comment, Bevel’s HRV reading and all match Garmin 99.9% of the time. I wear an Epix Pro and AWU2 and stats are identical. Great video and keep them coming.
@@youcantseeme63 yes bevel is by far the most superior application in existence for the Apple Watch. By far, in my opinion. Nobody even touches them. If you're gonna have an Apple Watch you definitely and absolutely need to be using that app!
I respect your opinion, but here’s the inconvenient truth for Garmin, and one that I’ve heard echoed by other reviewers online: Apple has plenty of room to grow and improve with their endless reach and deep pockets. Battery, training, and sensors could all easily improve. Garmin, however, are restricted from many of the “wants” of users, like true LTE, while companies like Apple monopolize the smartphone market and restrict the use of their iMessage service. Garmin has sort of reached their peak. Where else can the Fenix go? I see Apple continuing to take away Garmin share as their “adventure” watches continue to improve. Just my take, but would like to hear your opinion, Hunter. Thanks! ***side note, but let’s be frank: the price of the new Fenix watches is also off-putting, and getting a little out of hand. The difference between the 7 Pro and the Fenix 8 doesn’t warrant the price hike.
@@ZeRo-22- totally see your points all around! I do feel like this recent pricing feels one step too far, but like I shared in my final F8 review I actually feel like it offers more value, to me, than the Epix pro did at a similar price point when it was released. And I totally see what you're saying on the rest but the only thing that I really have a problem with with Apple is that it's the same damn watch two years later! Like the Apple Watch Ultra original to today with the series 10 and Apple Watch Ultra 2 black offers no significantly new features in a felt way. At least that's how I feel, that the new features are just so shockingly and disappointingly minimal and it's been two years! That's why I don't think they're gonna continue to develop or offer anything that competes, because for the last two years they had the platform the money the capability and here we are looking at the same damn watches! Totally 100% my opinion and feelings, and obviously subjective to my needs, but I'm just so frustrated because I feel like they could do so much better and could be so much more!
@@fitgearhunter thanks for the response, as you said these are all our subjective opinions, and varied use cases. Both companies have areas to improve upon, and neither is perfect!
I wear reading glasses (2.5 I think) you tested a lot of watches and I think you are wearing glasses too... could you recommend me one with the clearest display? :) What is easier to read, mip or amoled? I was thinking of Suunto Race S, Garmin MIP Fenix 7 or AW 10 maybe? Any idea on that topic? :) I can not be the only one with this "problem"... maybe it is. worth a video... ;)
Heyy i got a quistion for you that i cant find nobody else. Is there any different for running with the instinxt 2 and forerunner 965. Are all the running/triathlon function the same?
@@hoogvlietfinest hey! That's a great question and honestly to give you the most detailed answer you would want to go to the Garmin website and click "compare" and select the instinct two and 965 and then look at the list of feature differences in that format. That would tell you the most!
Good morning. Couldn’t agree more regarding Apple’s lack of innovation. I recently picked up an AW10 and I’ll be returning it and going back to my Venu 3. This ongoing lack of innovation, particularly around health metrics and analysis is just disgusting IMHO. Keep up the great work.
@@billkimura4512 yes yes yes - and thanks so much. I'm shocked honestly. And hopefully Garmin will release an updated 965 with the speaker and microphone so you can jump to that instead. The training analytics that are absent on the V series are pretty great
new subscriber - You tube has pushed you my way finally and glad it did. I use garmin 24/7. just couldnt even think of using my apple watch for serious training at all. What i do use it for though - is taking along with me (on the other wrist or in a pocket) as a tiny phone for emergencies and stream apple music from on long runs. As a 1 inch phone its perfect :) as a serious training tool.... no couldnt use it :)
I absolutely love the AWU 2 but the reason I don’t have one anymore is because of battery life and basic training recovery scores. Fenix 8 tracks everything I want in a watch.
@@richardsweeney6317 yes 100%. I feel the same way across the board. I always felt like the AWU was a beautiful watch, just not functional for the guts of what I needed, and I've just recently been so utterly disappointed that they have not advanced!It's the same basic functions the last two years!
Garmin hardware is terrific. However it’s operating system (too many bugs) and apps are lousy. The WHOOP app is fabulous, but for weight training, the heart rate accuracy of the WHOOP device is lacking somewhat. The AWU is good, but the battery life is still abysmal. My take. (I wear the Fenix 7X, AWU, WHOOP 4.0 continuously.) Great video, Fit!
@@Zane_Zaminsky thanks so much for commenting! Appreciate the words. I totally get what you were saying! I'm just so honestly disappointed in Apple because they could be so good but they just plainly aren't!
@@JJCA82 yes it's there if you dig into Health, but Apple doesn't stand behind the calculations nor do they take it at any regular interval that would be needed for analysis sake, which is why they don't put it in the vitals
@@JJCA82 and also, if you like Athlytic you really should be using Bevel. A far superior application that takes the HRV information, the little that Apple pulls in, and makes better use of it
@@cjrobo yes almost certainly so! That's why they don't really track it, and it's just so disappointing how weak they're offering seems in the world today, because we all know they could do so much better!
if you've not seen it I'd recommend reading Marco Altini's work on why morning sitting measurements of HRV are superior to any wearable collection. I specifically moved away from Garmin because I have no idea if I can trust it's data & I've seen it be completely wrong when measured by working scientists (e.g. Bruce Rogers)
Pathetic is what everyone thinks but doesn't dare saying, especially when it comes to a market leader like Apple. And it's exactly what needed to be said. Apple is in for the long haul, taking all the data measured and entered into all the devices and then intelligently making conclusions from that. When will that be available? Supposedly when the Apple watch lasts a week without charging. Until then, ignoring it is the most sensible thing to do. That doesn't mean Garmin is going in the right direction by trying to compete on smart watch features without the corresponding eco system. I would wish that they focus back on providing better tracking (especially sleep stages) and stop cramming microphones and speakers into watches. Just my two cents.
@@matrhein absolutely agree. It's so frustrating bc they are awesome in certain areas (HR accuracy for workouts, and sleep stages in general) - but dead with development. So frustrating
@@dadandvideogames so sorry for the delay! I don't know how I missed this, but I really really really appreciate the feedback! I have enjoyed transitioning to that since the start of the year, but it helps to hear it is not too distracting
@@Thechosenitalianone I know I feel the same way! Like never have I felt like abandoning the ecosystem like I have the last six months. It's really surprising to see them under developed so significantly, in my opinion.
Yep. I don’t even consider Apple watches. I can do better training analytics with data from verity sense and polar apps with chatGPT 4o. 965, Enduro 3 or F8 and Polar v3 are better than s10 or awu2.
Wow, I like this video, but the assumption here is that everyone wants a smart watch primarily for athletic training. As a person heading into my 70s, what is far more important is independent cellular function to make a phone call, fall detection, all my steps counted and added to my iPhone, a siren, texting, weather, a variety of watch faces, ability to make voice memos that will transcribe and be available on my iMac, get my email, have a calculator, maps, basics of sleep, alarms, and stopwatch, have all my contacts for making calls and texts, find my wife with the FindMy app, and make tap payments for anything I buy that are more secure than hauling out my credit card. Different strokes for different folks. I love the appearance of the satin black and I love their new titanium light weight watch band the "Milanese". And most importantly it plays my music playlists through my Air Pods when I'm walking my dog, or podcasts. If I was a competitive athlete, I'd choose a Garmin Fenix 8, which is a beautiful smart watch.
@@GarryBurgess can totally see what you are saying! the Garmin watches have the same contactless payment system built-in, steps, whether, etc., and you can listen to music off the watch, just in downloaded format, but I see what you were saying on the rest! Technically I think the iPhone is far more functional at all of those same tasks, but the fall detection is good!
I can’t remember who someone once commented “all Apple watches & AWU that’s the watch you take to Starbucks or show off the shiny apple logo” 😅👆 In terms garmin it’s taken the lead from the cheapest to the expensive models different sizes and options so much features the best thing battery life 👀✅take that apple with your 2/3 days and 18 hrs 😅sad thing apple the billionaire company don’t listen to consumers which is sad
@@bigmaxcc totally agree! I'm so disappointed with them all around because it could be so great, but for me just continues to fall short on so many levels. Beyond frustrated with them on the iPhone as well!
No continuous HR and no HRV?? That's what it takes to immediately skip Apple Watches. That is so basic, its stupid for those to missing from a "ultra" "sport" watch.
@@motivationmore7025 yes I agree! That's one thing I don't understand why Garmin doesn't put more time and attention to making improvements. It's not a fundamental item, for sure, because the accuracy will never be very accurate, but they could definitely be getting a lot closer to the mark and have at least some value out of stages tracking
True, it is really not correct, much worse than Apple, and Apple is much worse than a tiny little app called "AutoSleep". AutoSleep interprets the data from the Apple Watch so much better and is on spot which its sleep analysis.
@@user-ij8no5zw6u- Sleep is an important metric. Garmin puts a lot of weight on it in the Readiness Score. You can argue poor sleep is reflected in poor HRV, but this is not always true.
@@user-ij8no5zw6u- yes both are wrong, but Garmin is still much better. I tested whoop, oura, biostrap and garmin. In general garmin is the best, just the sleep tracking will hopefully get better soon.
I've long time wondered how apple watch is "so good" if only way to get good measurements is to buy specific 3rd party apps, some free, some monthly pay. That means that the watch is not good, but the apps are.
@@arilaine6113 completely agree! It's 100% third-party dependent to have any real value out of it as well, which is just so truly frustrating. That it leaves it to the consumer to try to research all these different third parties to try to make it at least minimally useful relative to what you get out of the box from 100 other different watch manufacturers!
You did it, I was requesting this video last time. Thank you for your input! I value yours especially since I train in the gym myself 🎉.
@@quinnchau7166 so sorry for the delay and thank you so much for prompting the idea as well!
This man looks like James Bond (Daniel Craig) is giving me tech advices 😂
But honestly, super interesting video! Good job man :)
@@Siddhant-l6n bahahaha far from but thank you!
I agree with what you are saying. I will make the comment, Bevel’s HRV reading and all match Garmin 99.9% of the time. I wear an Epix Pro and AWU2 and stats are identical. Great video and keep them coming.
@@youcantseeme63 yes bevel is by far the most superior application in existence for the Apple Watch. By far, in my opinion. Nobody even touches them. If you're gonna have an Apple Watch you definitely and absolutely need to be using that app!
Agree, Garmin as a performance fitness device all the way
@@maccaattack101 yep! Thanks for commenting
I respect your opinion, but here’s the inconvenient truth for Garmin, and one that I’ve heard echoed by other reviewers online:
Apple has plenty of room to grow and improve with their endless reach and deep pockets. Battery, training, and sensors could all easily improve. Garmin, however, are restricted from many of the “wants” of users, like true LTE, while companies like Apple monopolize the smartphone market and restrict the use of their iMessage service. Garmin has sort of reached their peak. Where else can the Fenix go? I see Apple continuing to take away Garmin share as their “adventure” watches continue to improve.
Just my take, but would like to hear your opinion, Hunter. Thanks!
***side note, but let’s be frank: the price of the new Fenix watches is also off-putting, and getting a little out of hand. The difference between the 7 Pro and the Fenix 8 doesn’t warrant the price hike.
@@ZeRo-22- totally see your points all around! I do feel like this recent pricing feels one step too far, but like I shared in my final F8 review I actually feel like it offers more value, to me, than the Epix pro did at a similar price point when it was released.
And I totally see what you're saying on the rest but the only thing that I really have a problem with with Apple is that it's the same damn watch two years later! Like the Apple Watch Ultra original to today with the series 10 and Apple Watch Ultra 2 black offers no significantly new features in a felt way. At least that's how I feel, that the new features are just so shockingly and disappointingly minimal and it's been two years! That's why I don't think they're gonna continue to develop or offer anything that competes, because for the last two years they had the platform the money the capability and here we are looking at the same damn watches! Totally 100% my opinion and feelings, and obviously subjective to my needs, but I'm just so frustrated because I feel like they could do so much better and could be so much more!
@@ZeRo-22- and so sorry for the delay personal life and work life has just been overwhelming recently!
They've had 10 years time to improve battery and it's still basically 2-3 days (with low power mode) battery. If it's so easy, why it's not done?
@@arilaine6113 the trickle method of updates, unfortunately. Keeps buyers around longer.
@@fitgearhunter thanks for the response, as you said these are all our subjective opinions, and varied use cases. Both companies have areas to improve upon, and neither is perfect!
I wear reading glasses (2.5 I think) you tested a lot of watches and I think you are wearing glasses too... could you recommend me one with the clearest display? :) What is easier to read, mip or amoled? I was thinking of Suunto Race S, Garmin MIP Fenix 7 or AW 10 maybe? Any idea on that topic? :) I can not be the only one with this "problem"... maybe it is. worth a video... ;)
Heyy i got a quistion for you that i cant find nobody else. Is there any different for running with the instinxt 2 and forerunner 965.
Are all the running/triathlon function the same?
@@hoogvlietfinest hey! That's a great question and honestly to give you the most detailed answer you would want to go to the Garmin website and click "compare" and select the instinct two and 965 and then look at the list of feature differences in that format. That would tell you the most!
Good morning. Couldn’t agree more regarding Apple’s lack of innovation. I recently picked up an AW10 and I’ll be returning it and going back to my Venu 3. This ongoing lack of innovation, particularly around health metrics and analysis is just disgusting IMHO. Keep up the great work.
@@billkimura4512 yes yes yes - and thanks so much. I'm shocked honestly. And hopefully Garmin will release an updated 965 with the speaker and microphone so you can jump to that instead. The training analytics that are absent on the V series are pretty great
new subscriber - You tube has pushed you my way finally and glad it did. I use garmin 24/7. just couldnt even think of using my apple watch for serious training at all. What i do use it for though - is taking along with me (on the other wrist or in a pocket) as a tiny phone for emergencies and stream apple music from on long runs. As a 1 inch phone its perfect :) as a serious training tool.... no couldnt use it :)
@@2312dean yes my feelings exactly! Totally appreciate the follow - thank you!
I absolutely love the AWU 2 but the reason I don’t have one anymore is because of battery life and basic training recovery scores. Fenix 8 tracks everything I want in a watch.
@@richardsweeney6317 yes 100%. I feel the same way across the board. I always felt like the AWU was a beautiful watch, just not functional for the guts of what I needed, and I've just recently been so utterly disappointed that they have not advanced!It's the same basic functions the last two years!
Garmin hardware is terrific. However it’s operating system (too many bugs) and apps are lousy. The WHOOP app is fabulous, but for weight training, the heart rate accuracy of the WHOOP device is lacking somewhat.
The AWU is good, but the battery life is still abysmal.
My take. (I wear the Fenix 7X, AWU, WHOOP 4.0 continuously.)
Great video, Fit!
@@Zane_Zaminsky thanks so much for commenting! Appreciate the words. I totally get what you were saying! I'm just so honestly disappointed in Apple because they could be so good but they just plainly aren't!
Apple Watch does asses HRV but it doesn't use it on their app vitals which is weird. Athlytic do use them.
@@JJCA82 yes it's there if you dig into Health, but Apple doesn't stand behind the calculations nor do they take it at any regular interval that would be needed for analysis sake, which is why they don't put it in the vitals
@@JJCA82 and also, if you like Athlytic you really should be using Bevel. A far superior application that takes the HRV information, the little that Apple pulls in, and makes better use of it
@@fitgearhunter I understand the calculations are spot on. Now why doesn’t Apple use it that I don’t understand it’s crazy.
I wonder if the sporadic hrv readings on the apple watch is to save battery 🔋 life.
My cheapo pixel watch 1 has hrv but Tim Apple's doesn't
@@cjrobo yes almost certainly so! That's why they don't really track it, and it's just so disappointing how weak they're offering seems in the world today, because we all know they could do so much better!
if you've not seen it I'd recommend reading Marco Altini's work on why morning sitting measurements of HRV are superior to any wearable collection. I specifically moved away from Garmin because I have no idea if I can trust it's data & I've seen it be completely wrong when measured by working scientists (e.g. Bruce Rogers)
Pathetic is what everyone thinks but doesn't dare saying, especially when it comes to a market leader like Apple. And it's exactly what needed to be said. Apple is in for the long haul, taking all the data measured and entered into all the devices and then intelligently making conclusions from that. When will that be available? Supposedly when the Apple watch lasts a week without charging. Until then, ignoring it is the most sensible thing to do.
That doesn't mean Garmin is going in the right direction by trying to compete on smart watch features without the corresponding eco system. I would wish that they focus back on providing better tracking (especially sleep stages) and stop cramming microphones and speakers into watches. Just my two cents.
@@matrhein absolutely agree. It's so frustrating bc they are awesome in certain areas (HR accuracy for workouts, and sleep stages in general) - but dead with development. So frustrating
Just popping in to say that I really love the "Walk in the Woods" format. Very unique and calming.
@@dadandvideogames so sorry for the delay! I don't know how I missed this, but I really really really appreciate the feedback! I have enjoyed transitioning to that since the start of the year, but it helps to hear it is not too distracting
I’m definitely considering dumping iPhone for either a Pixel 9 or S24 to pair with my Garmin.
@@Thechosenitalianone I know I feel the same way! Like never have I felt like abandoning the ecosystem like I have the last six months. It's really surprising to see them under developed so significantly, in my opinion.
Yep. I don’t even consider Apple watches. I can do better training analytics with data from verity sense and polar apps with chatGPT 4o.
965, Enduro 3 or F8 and Polar v3 are better than s10 or awu2.
@@LouisStephans yes yes yes - 1,000% agree!
Wow, I like this video, but the assumption here is that everyone wants a smart watch primarily for athletic training. As a person heading into my 70s, what is far more important is independent cellular function to make a phone call, fall detection, all my steps counted and added to my iPhone, a siren, texting, weather, a variety of watch faces, ability to make voice memos that will transcribe and be available on my iMac, get my email, have a calculator, maps, basics of sleep, alarms, and stopwatch, have all my contacts for making calls and texts, find my wife with the FindMy app, and make tap payments for anything I buy that are more secure than hauling out my credit card. Different strokes for different folks. I love the appearance of the satin black and I love their new titanium light weight watch band the "Milanese".
And most importantly it plays my music playlists through my Air Pods when I'm walking my dog, or podcasts. If I was a competitive athlete, I'd choose a Garmin Fenix 8, which is a beautiful smart watch.
@@GarryBurgess can totally see what you are saying! the Garmin watches have the same contactless payment system built-in, steps, whether, etc., and you can listen to music off the watch, just in downloaded format, but I see what you were saying on the rest! Technically I think the iPhone is far more functional at all of those same tasks, but the fall detection is good!
I can’t remember who someone once commented “all Apple watches & AWU that’s the watch you take to Starbucks or show off the shiny apple logo”
😅👆
In terms garmin it’s taken the lead from the cheapest to the expensive models different sizes and options so much features the best thing battery life 👀✅take that apple with your 2/3 days and 18 hrs
😅sad thing apple the billionaire company don’t listen to consumers which is sad
@@bigmaxcc totally agree! I'm so disappointed with them all around because it could be so great, but for me just continues to fall short on so many levels. Beyond frustrated with them on the iPhone as well!
No continuous HR and no HRV?? That's what it takes to immediately skip Apple Watches. That is so basic, its stupid for those to missing from a "ultra" "sport" watch.
@@user-ij8no5zw6u- yes absolutely - it's really shocking to me at this point that they haven't evolved more
I agree 100%. But when it comes to sleep tracking, Garmin really sucks and cannot be compared to Apple's sleep stage tracking.
Both are wrong so...? HR and HRV are WAY more important and correct metrics.
@@motivationmore7025 yes I agree! That's one thing I don't understand why Garmin doesn't put more time and attention to making improvements. It's not a fundamental item, for sure, because the accuracy will never be very accurate, but they could definitely be getting a lot closer to the mark and have at least some value out of stages tracking
True, it is really not correct, much worse than Apple, and Apple is much worse than a tiny little app called "AutoSleep". AutoSleep interprets the data from the Apple Watch so much better and is on spot which its sleep analysis.
@@user-ij8no5zw6u- Sleep is an important metric. Garmin puts a lot of weight on it in the Readiness Score. You can argue poor sleep is reflected in poor HRV, but this is not always true.
@@user-ij8no5zw6u- yes both are wrong, but Garmin is still much better. I tested whoop, oura, biostrap and garmin. In general garmin is the best, just the sleep tracking will hopefully get better soon.
I've long time wondered how apple watch is "so good" if only way to get good measurements is to buy specific 3rd party apps, some free, some monthly pay. That means that the watch is not good, but the apps are.
@@arilaine6113 completely agree! It's 100% third-party dependent to have any real value out of it as well, which is just so truly frustrating. That it leaves it to the consumer to try to research all these different third parties to try to make it at least minimally useful relative to what you get out of the box from 100 other different watch manufacturers!
Buy a garmin