@@skymanifest8339 That's completely untrue. The only demographic that are a net drain on the treasury is British born people lol. A nation of benefit scroungers.
11 million migrants in the UK 256K work for the NHS 190K in construction 75k in farming and agriculture. What are the other 10.5 million doing? THEY ARE NOT ALL FILLING VITAL ROLES.
A deranged conversation. You have clearly not understood that people on working visas bring dependents, both young AND old. We are currently getting thousands of care workers arrive. These care workers are by and large women. The most children I have personally witnessed is 9, all school age along with a male partner who spoke no English and was from India. Also from India were 2 exceedingly elderly people (80+) who were also dependents of another care worker. So 2 people on minimum wage who have contributed nothing to the economy brought 9 school places and 2 NHS users. They will also need housing as the care homes only offer 3 months accommodation then it is to the local authority to get housed by them as a priority There is a reason councils are going bankrupt Have you noticed any new hospitals being built or surgeries being opened? Me neither
This country is already unrecognisable if we let everyone one in and got a feeling not all who come here are lovey people who just want work pay tax and help others oneday we will all look around and wish we was stricter on immigration Australia got it right that why Australians love there country and all British people do is talk about how bad things have gotten 😢
So he drove thro Kent and saw no one! I come from Kent- there is a severe housing shortage! Especially social housing! A family member works in social services & trying to get vulnerable families or single people even housed is a Nightmare. She worked in the social services childrens migrant service for 'unaccompanied children' who often obs are NOT children and left dissolutioned because Kent hv no more Foster homes, etc and kent espcially Dover cant cope with the influx of migrants! He shouldn't talk rubbish becuse he has his agenda!
Even if what he said were true, what he is actually suggesting is that we tear a hole right through the Garden of England, right through "England's Green and Pleasant Land" to build housing to accommodate more ethnic immigrants!!! And where does this end??? It ends when the ethnic minorities become the ethnic majority. It's all ready happened in both the nation's capital and it's 2nd City. It won't be long before it happens everywhere!!! Take to the streets of your town centre and you will witness that this change it already happening!!! And, so it is not enough to just tacitly sit back and let this come to pass!!! This is an election year, so take action, stand up and actively campaign in support of your local right-wing politician. As Kitchener said, "You're Country Needs You!!!" United we stand, divided, as a nation, we fall!!! #johnbull
Working on the land used to provide a living for a family, now you get low wages, obliged to live on site and pay for accommodation, which makes it impossible for locals to work in the industry. Our farming is also insufficiently mechanised. Not long ago, kids and students did summer jobs, families would go from the cities to the farms for a 'working holiday' for seasonal work, and farms did a 'pick your own'. Not now.
Everyone looks at empty land but that's land needed to feed the people that live on this small island if we keep building on that supposed empty land then we can't supply enough produce for them lol
Concreting over Britain because of ever increasing population levels is detrimental to Britain and will lead to more flooding. New homes are being built - in 2022 there were over 200,00 new dwellings in the UK. For Marvyn to claim he drove through Kent and saw “nothingness” so therefore we can accommodate millions more immigrants reveals he shouldn’t be on this show debating serious political issues. Most of the UK mainland consists of woodlands, forest and farmland. There are also areas you can’t build on or wouldn’t want to build on such as national parks. More land lost to houses also means more roads, shops, schools, medical facilities, car parks, offices etc. Also increased traffic and pollution levels, more sewage in rivers and the sea because the sewage systems can’t cope. And what about greater water shortages and lack of food? Currently 69% of land in England is used for agriculture (in 2000 it was 75%) so we end up needing less farm labourers not more. Higher population levels will mean more food needs to be imported. This will only serve to diminish the British way of life in terms of culture and the quality of life.
Very good topic this morning. Thank you for reminding everyone this is strictly LEGAL IMMIGRATION. Clearly, some viewers do not understand or comprehend the topic.
We do need to put control over immigration as many of the problems we have are from having too many people. But I hope we would never turn our backs on those immigrants in genuine need. There has to be strict limits but one problem is we have too many of our own who do not want to work & at a time when there is employment available. Sadly some of those who do come legally do work well. But there does have to be limits.
These presenters are talking about a subject they know nothing about. They have no concept that it's not possible or wanted to turn the country into a concrete jungle just to build houses. Ridiculous.
We're a wealthy nation, and we have very low unemployment I have to wonder. If there's jobs available, and the country is wealthy, why isn't there money for hospitals and houses?
The tories have paid an extra 40% increase into the NHS since 2010 trouble is the population has gone up in 1990 population was 57 million it's now nearer 70 million some say it a lot more. Labour are for uncontrolled immigration and open boarders.
@@markwelch3564 The NHS gets billions the people at the top are milking it by the looks of it and it's not being used for what it's should be used for. Since 2010 the tories have uped spending on the NHS by 40%.
@@snowyowel7961 it's not the people at the top (at least not at the top of the NHS) It's all the private subcontracts, which we were promised would be efficient and competitive, but actually cost way more than it used to cost in-house!
The country needs laborers for jobs people simply do not want to perform. Ask any able bodied young person to wake up at 04:00 AM to pick fruit and veg... or to be a janitor, a transport driver, a caregiver, sanitation, or food production worker. It's easier to sit home and let the government support them.
You say this,but over the last five years roughly 2 million people have arrived and are in this society and they could already be doing the jobs you suggested,but where are they?? They don't want to do it either 🙄
You do realise that Jobcentres' across the land are littered with both immigrants and their homegrown kin, don't you??? In fact, the number of immigrants, either 1st, 2nd or 3rd generation, who are already in the country and are NOT actively working is countless... so why do you imagine that bringing in more will fix the problem, instead of adding to it further??? Surely, if immigrants have the work ethic that you imagine them to have, and as you've outlined, the work exists for them to do, they'd take the work at once, without hesitation. And, of course, the same would be true of their family members, who hold the same intrinsic values you espouse. In this way, the only people to be found occupying the Jobcentres, claiming state benefits, should be the lackless White British, who don't have the work ethic of which you speak. This is simply not the case and I apologise, but you're delusional if you think that it is!!! Oh, to be sure, immigrants may settle in society with every intention of working. But the evidence tells us that a large proportion, once they have settled, will consume state benefits, such as unemployment benefits. And under such circumstances, you'll need to introduce more immigrants into the country to fill the void that has been left by those who are now claiming state benefits. Only, by this point, the drain on societies resources will be such that the need will exist to bring in even more immigrant workers to fill the void. You do understand, don't you, that under the current system, it's a vicious circle without end!!! And so, the answer to the problem that you have identified is not to bring in ever more immigrants to fill employment gaps in the UK market, but to address the manner in which state benefits are awarded. Perhaps, this may mean withdrawing state funded support all together and forcing the vast majority of people into employment that they are capable of doing. You speak of the nation's need for fruit pickers. But tell me, why should the government look overseas for such workers when there are many unemployed citizens in the country who can do this work? Wouldn't it make sense for the government to instruct people to attend their local Jobcentre at 8.00 AM, where they will board a coach that will take them to whatever farm needs its fruit picking? Their lunches will be supplied, and then, at the end of the end of the working day, they'll be coached back to the Jobcentre from which they departed? And in return, they will receive their state benefits. Those who fail to attend will have their benefits sanctioned. Tough actions such as these will force people to labour for a living, thus eliminating the need to recruit from overseas. The answer to the problem that you raise is not to bring in more immigrants, instead, it's time the UK toughened up the way that state benefits are handed out and in that respect, I believe that you would eliminate the need for overseas labour thus altogether, fixing the problem of which you speak. Of course, I firmly believe that if the government toughened up the way in which it awards state benefits, the level of immigration would drop accordingly.
If we still have labour shortages after 30 years of mass immigration then it's pretty obvious that the people we've been bringing here to do these jobs also aren't doing these jobs. Further, 1st and 2nd generation immigrants are more likely to be unemployed than natives.
When you ask two foreigners if we need to limit immigration to the country they’re in you’ve probably already answered the question.
So, 100 people come in to the country 10% are going to work in the NHS, but eventually 100% of them are going to use it. Is that viable ?
Exactly,they will get old and have health issues/ need appts etc..homes, infrastructure,never ending list of clogging it up🙄
The part were he states that they have all come to work, how does he know this, does he know every single one of them?
@@DavidSmith-fs5qj Indeed some may work, but how many of those will be topping up their wages with various state benefits ?
@@DavidSmith-fs5qjLook at the unemployment stats. The people we've been importing for the last 60 years are more likely to be economically inactive.
@@skymanifest8339 That's completely untrue. The only demographic that are a net drain on the treasury is British born people lol. A nation of benefit scroungers.
How strange you asked two black people their opinion on this subject.🥵🥵🥵
No we don't , we need to stop it altogether.
Why do you have two guests who are both foreigners speaking on immigration 🤡🤡
You took the words out of my mouth.
I'd rather hear from them, than a racist like you.
Really they are foreign because they are black?
😂 I think they maybe uk born parents will be immigrants
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They are second generation immigrants maybe British not English.
I've never heard so much bollocks in my life we are full end of
Illegal immigrants work cash in hand
Raj doesnt want a cap on migration....😅
Obviously he wouldnt want a cap
11 million migrants in the UK 256K work for the NHS 190K in construction 75k in farming and agriculture. What are the other 10.5 million doing? THEY ARE NOT ALL FILLING VITAL ROLES.
A deranged conversation. You have clearly not understood that people on working visas bring dependents, both young AND old.
We are currently getting thousands of care workers arrive. These care workers are by and large women. The most children I have personally witnessed is 9, all school age along with a male partner who spoke no English and was from India. Also from India were 2 exceedingly elderly people (80+) who were also dependents of another care worker.
So 2 people on minimum wage who have contributed nothing to the economy brought 9 school places and 2 NHS users. They will also need housing as the care homes only offer 3 months accommodation then it is to the local authority to get housed by them as a priority
There is a reason councils are going bankrupt
Have you noticed any new hospitals being built or surgeries being opened? Me neither
This country is already unrecognisable if we let everyone one in and got a feeling not all who come here are lovey people who just want work pay tax and help others oneday we will all look around and wish we was stricter on immigration Australia got it right that why Australians love there country and all British people do is talk about how bad things have gotten 😢
Well said..
So he drove thro Kent and saw no one! I come from Kent- there is a severe housing shortage! Especially social housing! A family member works in social services & trying to get vulnerable families or single people even housed is a Nightmare. She worked in the social services childrens migrant service for 'unaccompanied children' who often obs are NOT children and left dissolutioned because Kent hv no more Foster homes, etc and kent espcially Dover cant cope with the influx of migrants! He shouldn't talk rubbish becuse he has his agenda!
Even if what he said were true, what he is actually suggesting is that we tear a hole right through the Garden of England, right through "England's Green and Pleasant Land" to build housing to accommodate more ethnic immigrants!!!
And where does this end??? It ends when the ethnic minorities become the ethnic majority. It's all ready happened in both the nation's capital and it's 2nd City. It won't be long before it happens everywhere!!! Take to the streets of your town centre and you will witness that this change it already happening!!!
And, so it is not enough to just tacitly sit back and let this come to pass!!! This is an election year, so take action, stand up and actively campaign in support of your local right-wing politician. As Kitchener said, "You're Country Needs You!!!" United we stand, divided, as a nation, we fall!!!
#johnbull
He thinks food falls from the skies or just magically appears in the supermarket.
Working on the land used to provide a living for a family, now you get low wages, obliged to live on site and pay for accommodation, which makes it impossible for locals to work in the industry. Our farming is also insufficiently mechanised.
Not long ago, kids and students did summer jobs, families would go from the cities to the farms for a 'working holiday' for seasonal work, and farms did a 'pick your own'. Not now.
20 years have gone passed and we still saying do we need a limit on migration
When someone says no limit on migration I find it absolutely stupid
you all need to look at the current visas system it will give you all the answers
And none of them will be living anywhere near Jeremy Vine, will they🤣🤣
Not by a long shot
Everyone looks at empty land but that's land needed to feed the people that live on this small island if we keep building on that supposed empty land then we can't supply enough produce for them lol
Concreting over Britain because of ever increasing population levels is detrimental to Britain and will lead to more flooding. New homes are being built - in 2022 there were over 200,00 new dwellings in the UK. For Marvyn to claim he drove through Kent and saw “nothingness” so therefore we can accommodate millions more immigrants reveals he shouldn’t be on this show debating serious political issues. Most of the UK mainland consists of woodlands, forest and farmland. There are also areas you can’t build on or wouldn’t want to build on such as national parks. More land lost to houses also means more roads, shops, schools, medical facilities, car parks, offices etc. Also increased traffic and pollution levels, more sewage in rivers and the sea because the sewage systems can’t cope. And what about greater water shortages and lack of food? Currently 69% of land in England is used for agriculture (in 2000 it was 75%) so we end up needing less farm labourers not more. Higher population levels will mean more food needs to be imported. This will only serve to diminish the British way of life in terms of culture and the quality of life.
Wev got plenty of space.....yeah but we dont hv plenty of services.
Yes we do.
Very good topic this morning.
Thank you for reminding everyone this is strictly LEGAL IMMIGRATION.
Clearly, some viewers do not understand or comprehend the topic.
I'm sick of paying for all this
Terry definitely talking out his back side
We can’t keep relying on foreign workers
We will wake up as long as we get the right wage
WOULD THAT BE LIN OF CHINESE ORIGIN?? SHE WOULDNT BE HERE IF BRITS BEHAVED LIKE THIS WOMAN
We do need to put control over immigration as many of the problems we have are from having too many people. But I hope we would never turn our backs on those immigrants in genuine need. There has to be strict limits but one problem is we have too many of our own who do not want to work & at a time when there is employment available. Sadly some of those who do come legally do work well. But there does have to be limits.
This is such a comically bad programme. Where do these people think food comes from?
We have to get our own British people to do the jobs
Raj doesn’t know what he’s talking about
Clearly UK is a small country therefore it definitely needs a CAP on migration
Yes, most definitely.
About 80 to 100 million sounds realistic.
Every immigrant works? Walk down central drive in Blackpool and you will see the truth
"Drove through Kent"
Muppet
🤣 why is he a muppet?
I love Roy
So no one gets in. Without a job .
These presenters are talking about a subject they know nothing about. They have no concept that it's not possible or wanted to turn the country into a concrete jungle just to build houses. Ridiculous.
To much talk about migration and not enough about saving our NHS
Too late.
We're a wealthy nation, and we have very low unemployment
I have to wonder. If there's jobs available, and the country is wealthy, why isn't there money for hospitals and houses?
The tories have paid an extra 40% increase into the NHS since 2010 trouble is the population has gone up in 1990 population was 57 million it's now nearer 70 million some say it a lot more. Labour are for uncontrolled immigration and open boarders.
@@snowyowel7961 that doesn't answer the question though, if we're a wealthy country, where has it gone? Why don't we feel the wealth?
@@markwelch3564 looks like my reply is not showing again.
@@markwelch3564
The NHS gets billions the people at the top are milking it by the looks of it and it's not being used for what it's should be used for. Since 2010 the tories have uped spending on the NHS by 40%.
@@snowyowel7961 it's not the people at the top (at least not at the top of the NHS)
It's all the private subcontracts, which we were promised would be efficient and competitive, but actually cost way more than it used to cost in-house!
I work for money ! not so privileged as that person !
The country needs laborers for jobs people simply do not want to perform. Ask any able bodied young person to wake up at 04:00 AM to pick fruit and veg... or to be a janitor, a transport driver, a caregiver, sanitation, or food production worker. It's easier to sit home and let the government support them.
You say this,but over the last five years roughly 2 million people have arrived and are in this society and they could already be doing the jobs you suggested,but where are they?? They don't want to do it either 🙄
You do realise that Jobcentres' across the land are littered with both immigrants and their homegrown kin, don't you???
In fact, the number of immigrants, either 1st, 2nd or 3rd generation, who are already in the country and are NOT actively working is countless... so why do you imagine that bringing in more will fix the problem, instead of adding to it further???
Surely, if immigrants have the work ethic that you imagine them to have, and as you've outlined, the work exists for them to do, they'd take the work at once, without hesitation. And, of course, the same would be true of their family members, who hold the same intrinsic values you espouse. In this way, the only people to be found occupying the Jobcentres, claiming state benefits, should be the lackless White British, who don't have the work ethic of which you speak. This is simply not the case and I apologise, but you're delusional if you think that it is!!!
Oh, to be sure, immigrants may settle in society with every intention of working. But the evidence tells us that a large proportion, once they have settled, will consume state benefits, such as unemployment benefits. And under such circumstances, you'll need to introduce more immigrants into the country to fill the void that has been left by those who are now claiming state benefits. Only, by this point, the drain on societies resources will be such that the need will exist to bring in even more immigrant workers to fill the void. You do understand, don't you, that under the current system, it's a vicious circle without end!!!
And so, the answer to the problem that you have identified is not to bring in ever more immigrants to fill employment gaps in the UK market, but to address the manner in which state benefits are awarded. Perhaps, this may mean withdrawing state funded support all together and forcing the vast majority of people into employment that they are capable of doing.
You speak of the nation's need for fruit pickers. But tell me, why should the government look overseas for such workers when there are many unemployed citizens in the country who can do this work? Wouldn't it make sense for the government to instruct people to attend their local Jobcentre at 8.00 AM, where they will board a coach that will take them to whatever farm needs its fruit picking? Their lunches will be supplied, and then, at the end of the end of the working day, they'll be coached back to the Jobcentre from which they departed? And in return, they will receive their state benefits. Those who fail to attend will have their benefits sanctioned. Tough actions such as these will force people to labour for a living, thus eliminating the need to recruit from overseas.
The answer to the problem that you raise is not to bring in more immigrants, instead, it's time the UK toughened up the way that state benefits are handed out and in that respect, I believe that you would eliminate the need for overseas labour thus altogether, fixing the problem of which you speak.
Of course, I firmly believe that if the government toughened up the way in which it awards state benefits, the level of immigration would drop accordingly.
If we still have labour shortages after 30 years of mass immigration then it's pretty obvious that the people we've been bringing here to do these jobs also aren't doing these jobs. Further, 1st and 2nd generation immigrants are more likely to be unemployed than natives.
If we still have labour shortages then it's obvious the people we've been importing for the last 30 years are also not doing these jobs.
Further, look at the unemployment stats among certain demographics. The people we've imported are more likely to be economically inactive than Brits.
Raj doesn’t know what he’s talking about
Clearly UK is a small country therefore it definitely needs a CAP on migration