Unsolved Elden Ring Mysteries
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- The world of Elden Ring is full of mysteries. From the very beginning of the game (literally) to the very end (also literally), here are my top 10 unsolved mysteries from the Lands Between.
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What's your favorite FromSoftware title? Mine is Bloodborne, then Elden Ring by a verrrrry close second.
EDIT: I am truly sorry for saying “low” instead of “lew”
Eeeeeelden ring! And Dark Souls. Then Sekiro.
Awesome video
@@mayonnaise2396 STOLEN
Sekiro for gameplay, dark souls for lore
I read that as "What is your favorite FromSoftware title and why is it Bloodborne"
Having reread it and realizing my mistake. Bloodborne, is it even debatable? It has the Pizza Cutter and the Rekuyo which instantly makes it the best. Dont @ me
The one that killed your maiden is probably Varre, he stands outside waiting for you, immediately knows you are maidenless, has a quest about killing maidens
And his clothes are covered in blood!!
hes a distinctly untrustworthy presence from the offset, i regret killing him to early though, ill be more patient in ng+ 😅
Glad i killed him at the start then👍
@@samaeldrakul4191 slowly and surely. chef's kiss
@@samaeldrakul4191 exact same reason I kill an old friend on sight now in a late game area, especially after finishing his quest last play through.
I don’t know why Godwin specifically but I think the point of killing his soul was so that death accepted a body (Ranni) and a soul complete… ranni needed her soul to still be intact to continue her plan
This is stated to some degree in game - was going to say something similar
I also wondered that too. Was he just in the wrong place at the wrong time, or did it have to be him. Would he have been a stabilising force during the shattering war in the absence of Marika. Would the other demi gods not have warred if he was there to mediate. He was able to win the friendship of a dragon, maybe that says somthing about his diplomacy skills and how he deals with potential conflict.
@@Werumo I actually like that reasoning a lot. Not every motive has to be rooted in some prophecy or magic ritual, it's purely political strategy. Godwyn was beloved by everyone, and respected as the firstborn. So it makes sense that Ranni/Marika would choose him to be the one offed, since his murder would upset the most people and stir up the most chaos. If you go with Ranni as the mastermind it allows her to take out one of the biggest threats to her plans, and if you go with Marika then the death of her "beloved" son is the perfect cover excuse for shattering the Elden Ring, playing it off as an act of grief rather than the calculated scheme it was.
I mean she could just kill morgott or mohg, they are demigods and no one really cared about them
@@far_hunt2598 but that's exactly why she didn't kill them, she needed the shattering to happen
I was always under the impression that Varre had killed "our" maiden. Him waiting right outside where we came through, calling us maiden less immediately, plus the freshness of the kill I always thought that it was implying that he had done it and he was trying to influence us to join his "side"
The one who killed "our" maiden was definitely Seluvis, or someone working for him. He will even sell you her as a Puppet. Finger Maiden Therolina Puppet.
@@ltspyder2177 dont you see finger maiden therolina at the radahn festival and get the polite bow from her?
@@michaelwerkov3438 I don't think that was a Finger Maiden. She was wearing kinda generic "nun" garb, not the Finger Maiden set.
@@ltspyder2177 i wonder if fextra is wrong or has been fixed, because i'm pretty sure i checked fextra to see who she was. but now i'm wondering if she was a summon for this fight... but yeah, she is dressed more like the ds1 maiden than the finger maidens
@@michaelwerkov3438 I mean, I could be wrong. But it seems to me like the description of Therolina's puppet HEAVILY implies she was meant to be your Maiden. And it also says she never met the Tarnished she was meant to guide, so I figure she is the one from the beginning of the game.
So the association of Yellow=Madness in FromSoft games, all the way back to the Old Monk and the Xanthous Kings, has always come from the H. P. Lovecraft figure Hastur. The emblem of Hastur (called the Yellow Sign) is three tentacle-like talons, which bears a great resemblence to Elden Ring's Frenzy symbol. I definitely think the choice to make the Three Fingers, well, "three" is to associate it with this sign.
Nice!
With “Outer Gods” straight up being a thing in the Cthulhu Mythos, has anyone tried to link the other Outer Gods in Elden Ring to Lovecraft’s work?
That's my profile pic, I never made that connection lol.
Said the same thing in Madluigi's video about the Outher God.
Well the colour yellow (irl) has always been associated with sickness/illness as well, the most common example being yellow fever.
The deal with "The Two Fingers" and "The Three Fingers" is that they are complimentary concepts of creation, Order and Chaos respectively. Like Yin and Yang, a complete whole is made out of their combined contrary elements. 2 + 3 = 5 fingers, a whole hand.
it seems to me like the greater will part of the whole managed to separate the frenzy flame part of itself in some way. similarly to marika splitting a part of herself off as radagon
Also, I never see this anywhere, probably because it looks obvious, but if you were to superpose the Two Fingers and the Three Fingers, they would visually look like a full hand, the Two Fingers being the index and ring finger, while the Three Fingers are the thumb, middle finger and little finger.
There might have been some great schism that caused a primordial outer god (who was served by the hand) to split into the Greater Will and the Fell God, served by the two fingers and three fingers respectively.
@@RedSkyWhisper thats what people are getting at with the 2+2=5 thing
@@lewdwig the fell god is different to teh frenzy flame god. thats explicit
Radagon and marika might have conflicting motives. Remember Marika shattered the Elden Ring and then Radagon tried to repair it. That does imply that they can have not only different but completely different motivations. The whole reason you have to defeat Radagon might be that he is trying to prevent Marika’s plan. Perhaps he even learned whatever Gideon Ofnir did and sought to prevent it
I think you're right, I don't think that he and Marika want the same things at all. Radagon tried to repair the Elden Ring and preserve what was left of the Golden Order (He's "of the golden order", after all). He can't trust you knowing that you have your own motives and might serve Marika's aims of destruction. He doesn't want the Golden Order to be changed and probably figures the only way to make that happen is to keep everyone out. Remember that he is trapped in a tree, he may have no idea what's going outside. When you walk into the boss arena, you have already committed a cardinal sin by burning the Erdtree, why wouldn't he assume the player is there to further ruin things?
It also can indicate than Marika shattered Ring on emotions and then try to repair it.
I think you're right, and I believe Radagon couldn't repair the elden ring because the demigods claimed the shards to themselves. So the Great will ressurrected us to kill all demigods, retrieve the shards to radagon repair it finally.
@@sysbreaker this would be a good theory but you're not required to kill all of the demigods nor do we have all of the great runes when we kill them anyway
@launchbase , I mentioned all demigods because fingers ask us to do that when we reach the roundtable hold. Be it all or some demigods doesn't invalidate the theory at all, because the point is the divergence between Marika/Radagon and the Great Will plan to restore Golden Order.
Imo Radagon is the Great Will's tool to maintain golder order power, first marrying Rennalla, grating peace with the Carians and after Marika discovered the truth behind the GO and sent the Tarnished away, Radagon was brought back to keep Marika under control.
Godwyn was definitely the character that I'm most interested to learn more about only slightly beating miquella.
I was so excited about Fia's questline because of this. My hype was through the roof entering "Deathbed Dream" . I was and still am severely disappointed that you just fight a random ass dragon there and come back with no closure whatsoever. Fia also dies for an unknown reason which is another bummer.
Oh boy do I have a treat for you then. Get ready for a long, overly complicated theory that I'm going to try and summarize. Not my own theory, so I can't take credit - that goes to AngelOfThePast
Let's start with what is proven:
Miquella was cursed to never grow, while his twin sister Malenia was cursed with rot.
Miquella also had the super neat ability of having people just naturally like/trust him, as well as being incredibly intelligent.
Miquella and Malenia are both Empyrean and Miquella had his own two fingers, meaning he was chosen by the Greater Will as a potential successor to Marika.
Miquella created unalloyed gold, which helps combat the rot. We know this because we use an unalloyed gold needle to cure Millicent's rot when first meeting her.
When Miquella found out that the Golden Order (Greater Will) could/would not rid him and his sister of their curses, he chose a different path and created the Haligtree.
His intention (so we are told in-game) was to implant himself in the Haligtree, hoping to circumvent his curse.
Mohg stole his body from the tree, at which point Miquella was essentially comatose.
Now for the fun part, which I'm going to try and shorten...
Miquella hated his curse for obvious reasons, but didn't have a surefire way to go about getting rid of it.
Ranni had a similar goal of wanting to get rid of her Empyrean body, but keep her soul.
Miquella is known to have tried to give soulless flesh life, as evidence by a spirit at Castle Sol. It's commonly thought that he was looking for a way to put Godwyn's soul back into his body, but what if that's not the case?
Miquella needed a test subject for transferring a soul to a new body. Ranni was the perfect candidate, she didn't even need convincing - she already wanted to leave her Empyrean flesh.
Maybe the plan of assassinating Godwyn was laid out by Miquella, with his charisma dialed up to 11 to convince Ranni to do it - we know she's responsible, and remember, people just naturally liked and wanted to help Miquella. Even the item description for the Golden Epitaph weapon states "Infused with the humble prayer of a young boy; 'O brother, lord brother, please die a true death'". Godwyn is both Miquella's half-brother, as well as a potential Lord, as he could have easily been a consort for an Empyrean - his brother Mohg even tried to be Miquella's consort (gross). Miquella is cursed with the body of a child, translatable as "a young boy". He needed his brother to die a true death for his plan to work.
He thought it might be possible to keep the curse within his body, but transfer his soul to another body - one that could grow. Enter the Haligtree.
We can see Miquella's wood-like corpse attached to the Haligtree in Malenia's boss room, and it's much larger than the body that Mohg was shown kidnapping, so you would think Miquella's plan to merge his soul to the Haligtree worked, right? But the Haligtree stopped growing after a while, because Miquella's curse followed his soul. We also know that his original body was stolen by Mohg, and it clearly grew based on the size of the arm that we see dangling from the cocoon in Mohg's boss chamber.
But the Haligtree appears dead, as well as Miquella's tree-body. Both stopped growing at some point, so the curse followed his soul instead of his body. So what was his plan now?
Theory: your body is housing Miquella's soul. Miquella had already severed his soul from his body. But his curse was still attached to his soul, or rather his memories. He separated his soul from his memories, and placed his soul within the body of a tarnished.
Evidence: Malenia is said to have only recognized her brother Miquella as a true lord. As you defeat her, she says "Your strength, remarkable... the mark of a true Lord". She is recognizing the player as a true lord, someone on par with her brother in her own mind. There's also the fact that Melina says that Torrent "chose us" when giving us the steed whistle. Torrent took a liking to us, in fact it's referenced that all spirits are attracted to us. On top of that, Rogier says the following "Not only are you a superb fighter, but people want to trust you. I've seen it."
People naturally want to trust us, almost like we have some sort of gift...
Speculation again: Remember, Miquella was above genius level of smart, he could have planned all of this. And people naturally like/trust him. Ranni is known for causing the first death of a demigod, which lead to the shattering. It's safe to assume she's not liked and doesn't trust many people. Yet she instantly trusts us to help her bring about a new Age. Alexander, though he seems friendly in general, trusts us to smack him hard enough to free him from the ground without shattering him. Gideon's goal is to become Elden Lord, he tells you so. And yet he also tells you where to go and how to go about becoming Elden Lord yourself. Why would someone help a rival who they barely know? In fact most of the NPCs you meet trust you almost instantly.
Why do all of these people trust a stranger? Because you have an uncanny ability to make people trust you. Because you house Miquella's soul.
There's more speculation/evidence/tie-in's but that's the major points. Quite an interesting theory, and I had a lot of "oh my god, that makes so much sense" moments when hearing about it for the first time. I recommend you watch the full video
@@Crumbly_Muffins Just a random thought after reading your theory but what if Miquella wanted to take Godwyns body that why only his soul was killed but something went wrong.
@@isaiahstephens3630 I don't think he would have wanted Godwyn's body. Miquella has a resistance to Outer Gods, and didn't really want to be involved with them, and Godwyn was the first-birn son of Marika and presumably the closest to the Greater Will after her. Miquella's resistance to the incluence of Outer Gods is why Mohg's blood (blessed by the Formless Mother - another outer god) hasn't been able to awaken him (if his soul is even still in his cocoon body). It's assumed that Mohg's blood is what caused Miquella's comatose body to grow after being kidnapped, since we see Mohg carrying a very small, childlike Miquella during the initial kidnapping. But if this theory is correct, even only up to the point of Miquella's soul fusing with the Haligtree, then it's possible that his original body just grew on it's own since the curse is no longer in the body and Mohg's blood is doing absolutely nothing. Other beings influenced by his blood lose their tone, and grow Omen horns. While we can't see much of Miguella's cocoon body to check for horns, his skin doesn't appear to be too drained of color. Yes it's not exactly pristine, but he's also been underground, in a cocoon, with no sunlight, basically fermenting in blood. You would probably be a little discolored too.
It gets a little tricky. Like why would his curse follow his soul into the Haligtree, but his resiliency to Outer God influence stay with his flesh? He was the strongest of the Empyreans, so maybe that has something to do with it. I'm not a theory crafter, so I can only speculate a little bit
@@Crumbly_Muffins That is a very very cool theory actually. Maybe not that promiment with the other NPCs, but I always found it so odd that you basically stumble upon Ranni's rise and she immediately entrusts you in her plan to challenge gods, no questions asked.
She also opens up to you quite fast when you're carrying her as a doll, even herself gets weirded out by it right after.
I think having Empyrean flesh makes you susceptible to the Greater Wills influence, thus making it impossible to rebel against it (mirror helm). So Ranni had to kill her body to be rid of it and in so doing needed someone else to die.
But marika, who is an empyrean, clearly rebelled against the greater will by shattering the elden ring
@@El_zapiz A theory of mine is that Marika shed her body, which became Radagon, in order to turn herself into pure spirit. A bit like Ranni did. As shown in the video, she talks about Radagon being her "other self" and we can find Marika's and Radagon's seals in-game; one seal only buffs physical attributes (Radagon's) while the other only buffs mental attributes (Marika's). By shedding her body, only Radagon would be subjected to the Greater Will. As a bonus, I also believe she has parasited the Elden beast. She's the golden rays inside of it, that form some kind of skeleton, manipulating it from the inside. That would also explain why the Elden Beast fights with a sword, like a human.
@@elymnir4683 It’s an interesting theory but I can’t picture how pure spirit form Marika is able to have 2 kids (Malenia & Miquella) with Radagon who appears to have a male body.
@@plumbusc1379 Yeah, I don't know for sure and that's one of many points that go against my theory, it's just that I like it. But there are far-fetched ideas I could use, like, if Mohg thinks he can have babies with a boy that's eternally a child, why not a spirit?
We also see that Radagon and Marika can "swap" bodies, so maybe Radagon preserved some holy molly juice and Marika impregnated herself with it.
I don't think those are true, but the story is still so impossibly vague that you can come up with anything to justify a theory.
@@elymnir4683 Mohg did what now? Man this game is messed up…
To me, it seems like there was already an "elden ring" of sorts prior to the arrival of the elden beast in the lands between. Maliketh's battle arena shows how it looked (many more rings with tree roots backing it opposed to radagon's mesh). I think that version was altered - runes removed and hidden away possibly - to support the greater will's order. I think in future DLC's it wouldn't be strange if we learned someone had discovered one of them. ie godwyn? a theory that has little basis but is still fun to think about
I like this theory too, could also help understand why Placidusax is called an Elden Lord even if they (probably) didn't align with the greater will.
The Elden Ring was already here, but under the influence of a different god.
The Elden Ring, and the Elden Beast, is explicitly Greater Will stuff.
The way I understand it is that before the Erdtree there was the Crucible, which was likely something that came into being after the Elden Beast came down to earth. Placidusax reigned as Elden Lord of the age of the Crucible, and this age ended when the Greater Will decided to replace Placidusax's god (the current vessel of the Elden Ring) with Marika, beginning the age of the Erdtree as the Crucible evolved into it.
The mistake is assuming that the Elden Ring necessarily implies an Erdtree, but we know that before the Erdtree there was a Crucible, made of primordial gold, red in color, like the armour and weapons of the Crucible Knights.
@@cammyshill3099 I think perhaps this crucible of life was infact the Erdtree before the elden beast hurtled down and burrowed inside like a parasite twisting what was. Kind of similar to Yggdrasil with Nidhogg gnawing at the roots in Norse mythology. I think Marika may have glimpsed what was and what may come to pass, shattering her faith in the golden order. Now what that was? Idk- the golden order seems pushy and deliberately vague, and seemingly deceitful in pushing you through your quest. Spoilers!!!!!!
The way for you to become Elden lord is blocked and the two fingers know that. There's no way for you to become Elden lord without totally violating the golden order- it's like they just kind of use you as their personal hit man to kill the demigods they didn't like anymore.
i think you are wrong, the elden ring its the elden beast, no elden ring without the beast, because they are literally the same thing, the elden beast its the embodiment of order, not of the greater will order, no, all order, its literally a pattern, the definition of order
I agree that the Elden Ring was around before the Elden Beast, the Dragons's had their own Elden Lord long before Marika. The ER has the ability to shape natural laws, I think it's power is what enticed the Greater Will to intervene and attempt a takeover.
Nepheli is not ‘inexplicably’ summonable for the fight with Hora Loux - she states when you help her become the ruler of godrick’s castle that she will help you when the time comes.
( not in those words, but yeah )
And only a Rightful heir can become the ruler of Limgrave, confirming she is descended from Godefrey.
@@justaweirdtree9645 Unfortunately for her, I like her much better as a puppet. So, it's gonna have to be that other guy.
Godwyn was killed so that the effect of the Death Rune would split between he and Ranni so that she could rid herself of her Empyrean flesh without losing her soul
yes, but why godwyn specifically and not any other demigod?
@@Ziethian Of the demigods, I presume murdering Radahn or Malenia would be wholly out of the question at least. Mohg and Morgott weren't that well known due to them being shunned, so you could argue maybe they were forgotten. Miquella was probably being guarded by Malenia anyways so probably not the best one to try to kill. Rykard was in on the plan, so obviously they weren't going to kill him. So I guess the question is why not Godrick, maybe because his demigod status wasn't pure enough, having blood so diluted that he couldn't possibly counterbalance Ranni's death?
@@Ziethian opportunity most likely. Not much is known about Godwyn so there's really not a whole lot to speculate on. So until more is known i suspect that the black knife assassins had an opportunity to slay a demigod and that just happened to be Godwyn.
I would say it's because he's the most influential figure in the capital Leyndel and the golden order outside Radagon (Godwyn built a CULT that is actually accepted inside the capital). His death would most certainly cause the most chaos (which it was).
Rykard was trying to overthrow the order.
Radahn is not directly affiliated with the golden order.
Malenia and Miquella no longer had anything to do with the golden order.
Morgott and Mohg were omen children.
That leave Godwyn as the only demigod directly affiliated with the golden order.
I understand the possibilities but as the video said, we dont know for sure yet can only speculate
Definitely a finger maiden. You can soak the cloth for the second part of the mohg quest if you go through a portal and go back to fight the starter boss again.
Oh I’ve been wondering where to get the clothe. Thanks a lot👍🏽
I always naturally get the item but then forget how I get it
Marika seemed to want to go against the great will, to do so she would need to get rid of the Elden beast, but would also have to get rid of the Erdtree. For that to happen there would have to be a reason for the tarnished to light the tree on fire, she might have tricked Radagon into locking the Erdtree specifically so it would have to be burned to get into it, then breaking some of the control of the Elden beast (as well as pissing off Radagon) before killing off the Elden beast and freeing Marika from its control.
hm it would be very interesting if Marika wanted the Elden Beast dead since one of the last dialogues with Blacksmith Hewg is him saying to use his masterpiece to slay a god and that it was his promise to Queen Marika.
@@tommyliddell8794 marika does want the elden beast dead, that is very clear
@@nxvh9062 It isn`t; it's just another interpretation and can't be proven as a fact as far as I know.
It's pretty clear that Marika wants the Age of the Erdtree to end, and Radagon wants it to continue. He is loyal to the Greater Will and Marika wants to be freed from it. This is why she shattered the Ring and returned Grace to the Tarnished. Something happened that ruined Marika's vision of perfect order and she wanted to fix it but couldn't do anything about it herself because she was imprisoned by the influence of the Greater Will, so she called out to the Tarnished to burn the Erdtree, destroy the previous order and build something new.
Pretty much
so you were saying flaming frenzied is a good ending? i choosed duskborn but now on my 2nd playthrough, might be the flaming frenzied.
@@Noh1996 Not really. It's good in that it ends the era of the GW but it's basically just the extreme other end of chaos, which, ymmv if that's what you want. Kind of like, instead of kicking out the abusive landlord you just burn the house.
The best ending seems to be Ranni's, because hers is removing the influence of outer gods and not ruling the land as its new god. So basically she's like "Y'all figure it out" and banning outer gods so the people who actually LIVE in the Lands Between can decide for themselves.
i really want to know WHY marika wanted it to end
@@mrrd4444 Leaving the lands without fixing it and essentially setting it up for its own form of chaos (people fighting on who should rule, discrimination, and etc) isn't the better ending... You can kick out the abusive partner, but if they controlled everything and suddenly you're free from that, you don't know where to start new and may fall off. You'll need help and guidance.
Also, if I'm not mistaking, she does leave a new God. It's the dark moon God.
Funny enough, the half-carved "centipede symbol" in Godwyn is the other piece that Ranni has (she lost her body but kept her soul, where Godwyn lost his soul but kept his now mutated body that's been merged and "poisoned" in with the old tree).
Basically, for Ranni to stay alive and not be hounded by the fingers, she had to die, but because she and her step-brother Godwyn were killed at the same time, the centipede symbol was split, and she got the lucky end of the rune.
Imagine playing rock-paper-siccors with a demon who wants to take either your body or your soul: You win? You get to be a ghost and do whatever. You lose, your soul is stolen and your body is left to rot. Morbid as that sounds, Ranni won.
Which is why people suspect Ranni was behind the Night of Black Knives, right? That she use the Black Knives to kill Godwyn's soul the same time she had her own body killed specifically to free her soul from the Greater Will, transfer her soul to the doll body, and begin her plan.
@@friggasring In game she straight up tells us, if we progress her quest line, that she was the one that orchestrated the night of the black knives. Also I'm pretty sure, for the original commentor, that she knew which half of the curse mark would separate the soul and which would separate the body. She chose the mark for the body and sent the assassin's with the other half to kill Godwyn at a precise time because she knew it had to be done at the same time.
@@YDD_Luke17 Why leave her body at the top of the tower instead of a finger's? The mechanism of the towers is another mystery.
Thats true and all, but there is still the question as to why Ranni and the Black Knives would target Godwyn specifically. After all, why wouldnt murdering some nameless shmucks soul be easier? Someboy who hasnt a capital full of security around him and a cult that worships him?
That implies Ranni wanted to kill two birds with one stone and remove a key power player of the golden lineage from the game, or she wanted to get back at them for betraying ehr mother. But then this begs another question as to why she didnt target Radagon, the traitor himself, Marika, who made Radagon betray her mother, or Miquella or Malenia, their children, if she wanted to inflict hurt on the couple?
Also mysterious is the motive of the black knives. Were they just hired kilers, or did they have a motive? Also, why do they keep chilling in places related to the golden order (sainted heros grave, marikas bedchamber)? But most importantly why are they present in Ordina, a town dedicated to the worship of Miquella by the albinaurics, who was Godwyns best friend and adoring younger brother, who actively seeks to undo the effect the Night of the Black Knives had on Godwyn. They dont seem to be hostile to the town or its residents, and use similar silver based light armour to the first generation albinaurics.
@@SophiaLilithUwU Probably needed to be a demigod considering Ranni was. Of the living Demigods, Godwyn was probably the easiest to kill (or Melina, but I would guess Ranni has some opinion/care for Melina). I don't think Ranni was stupid enough to go after one of the twins or Radahn (the latter who cut off Malenia's arm). I actually get the feeling that Ranni and Miquella were at least friends considering how much of Ranni's plan feels inspired by Miquella's plan.
I'm pretty sure Godwin's body was buried at the bottom of he Erd Tree. I think it's mentioned that he had a hero's burial at the roots of ther erd tree.
Doesn't Fia outright tell you that... thing... is the Prince of Death aka Godwin the Golden's undead corpse?
Yup, Godwyn the Golden was buried at underneath to Erdtree at the foot of Great Tree. It was done to honor him in his... unfortunate circumstance. Seemingly, Miquella tried to help him in some way, but couldn't full help him. So Miquella seemingly, did some "dream Magic" on him (a la the Golden Epitaph). Granted, some of that makes more sense with cut content.
Fortissax also tried to help Godwyn in his death but the result was becoming corrupted by the Rune of Death, or the fragment which marks Godwyn. I do hope that this is expanded upon. Very interesting but such a tragic fate for the "golden boy" of the Demigods
can’t you find Godwyn’s body in stormveil castle though?
The Erdtree is like a parasite on the original Great Tree.
You can actually see Placidusax's Elden Ring in the game. It looks far more elaborate then the golden order's. Also Ranni had to have some involvement with Godwyn's death. The rune of death was used to kill Ranni's original body (seen on her great rune tower with Red hair), and kill Godwyn's spirit (not his body). Thats why Ranni is in the doll's body, she killed her original one to be free from the two finger's and greater will. She used Godwyn's spirit in place of hers, but Godwyns body is technically still "alive". That is why its growing and deformed when you see it with Fia, you can also see other forms of it around the roots of the Erdtree at certain locations (below Stormveil).
I've not made it to Crumbling Farum Azula yet, so where did you saw PLACIDUSAX's ELDEN RING?? Does it even exist??
@@arunpandian294 It's in a loading screen too, I believe its at the locations end boss
Even when Radagon was split and making babies they were clearly still the same otherwise Radahn, Rykard and Ranni wouldnt be considered offspring of Marika. Even though they are the same they are like Ying and Yang, Radagon's motives are not Marika's which makes for some interesting twists.
They are actually oppositional at this point, since Marika became disillusioned with the Greater Will and essentially decided to end the Golden Order, but Radagon did not.
Radahn, Rykard and Ranni aren't considered offspring of Marika. They are considered demi-gods, but I think even Godfrey has that title. there are even several item descriptions that mention explicitly that they became demi-gods after the union between. Ranni still might be, as we don't really know what that amber egg was.
@@hapmaplapflapgap that is said in game yes but its also stated a few times that all demi gods are offspring of Marika is some form. There are some conflicting quotes found in game so i guess it comes down to interpretation
@@hapmaplapflapgap Godfrey i believe is technically a Tarnished. We haven't seen any Tarnished gods so maybe he's the first. But the game makes it seem more like he was just an op human that got gud long ago. He's like us in a way.
I thought that the two fingers were confused by the erd trees rejection of you aswell thats why they had to talk to the greater will (which takes 100’s of years) so if the fingers had misinterpreted what the greater will wants it would make sense that maybe radagan and the greater will didnt want you in there?
Well Radagon’s seal is on the barbs of the tree and i’m pretty sure it’s said that he did it himself
Another thing to add about Nepheli Loux is that if you do the questline for Seluvis he reveals that he’s trying to make a potion to turn demigods into puppets, which is interesting because he ask you to give his experimental potion to Nepheli Loux who shares the Loux part of her name with Hoarah Loux who ends up being Godfrey, First Elden Lord.
Also, to add to the last mystery, why is Godwyn turning into a mermaid? His head is a clam. His hands and arms have webbing and fin-like growth. His lower body is a fish for God(wyn)'s sake!
He looks kind of like a giant basilisk mob
I don’t remember where it was in the game but I think a character talks about how his soul is dead but his body lives and since the soul is severed, his body keeps growing and distorting. I’m thinking some kind of weird Lovecraft connection again cuz Lovecraft had an obsession with the sea and his stories often talk about the sea being connected to rebirth and weird fish creatures which would connect it to Fia’s quest which would make sense
@@lexk928 Yeah, Godwyn died in soul but not in body. People are wondering why he turned into THAT, not why he mutated in general. Obviously, his death is a perverse and unholy one, so his body mutating and cursing other living things makes sense. But why exactly did this unholy death turn him into a mermaid is a mystery.
@@davidreljac1707 that’s why I brought up the Lovecraft connection knowing how much the creator loves his Lovecraftian horror
his festering flesh yearns to reunite with his soul that swims in the spiritual sea. OR "something" is calling his body to escape to a sea outside the lands between, and it's slowly in the process of getting ready
Any reason why Radagon couldn't just be the human form of the Elden Beast? As in Radagon never existed as an actual man to begin with, but upon its arrival to the Lands Between, Radagon was simply the identity and body the Elden Beast took to seduce Rennala and then Marika before ultimately merging itself with Marika?
Based as FUCK
Why wouldn't they use this as the twist instead then? If this ends up being true, it'd feel more like a sloppy rewrite than a twist that was hinted at throughout the game. I mean, what's the point of even having a twist like that if there's no previous evidence for it beyond speculation? Just because it sounds cool?
It wouldn't explain the red hair/giants connection that Radagon himself loathes. While it still could just be a coincidence that Radagon hates, to me it suggests heritage. Otherwise, why would hair color play such a prominent role in determining lineage in the game.
Interesting thought. But I still wanna believe that they are not the same since Elden Beast did not transform into but instead "came out" from the body. Elden Beast was simply residing inside Radagon/Marika's body. And as someone alr mentioned here, the hair colour plays a part too.
Yea or at least a part since he literally becomes the ancient relic sword the elden beast uses.
My theory on the finger maiden is that she was killed by Selivus in order to create the maiden puppet.
*Seluvis
Impossible. seluvis does not kill the target to make it a puppet. he mind controls it with his potions, which put you in a stasis and mind control you. than he puts the puppet in stasis in his secret room and summons it when needed. the puppet is still alive, just permanently ind controlled, and immobile when not used. it's not a clone of a corpse dropped somewhere.
That's the maiden from the Radahn festival
Maybe Melina or Ranni killed her so we can be more easily manipulated to burn the Erdtree? Where I'd guess their (including Marika) ultimate goal is to change the Golden Order.
Varre a guy known for killing finger maidens is standing right outside. Not hard to put 2 and 2 together. He even mocks us about being maidenless.
Here's more questions:
The Haligtree: how does it work? Did it work or has Miquella's removal doomed the experiment?
The Albinaurics: who created them? For what purpose? What does the birthing droplet do for them? Is Gideon an albinauric?
The Nox: what did they do to be banished? Was it Astel or the Greater Will (or both) that did it? How much influence do they still have on the world?
Farum Azula and the Ancient Dragons: what caused their downfall? Why are their descendants so weak? What happened with Placidusax missing heads?
Vyke: How did he get his Great runes?
We know he was the most successful tarnished before us, and that he had at least 2 runes... But what were their names and where are them now?
Deathbirds: They have a GOD!?
The Nox are people who live in The Eternal City and The Fingerslayer Blade description says that the blade is proof of the city's high treason due to the weapon being able to harm the Greater Will and its vessels and its why Astel leveled it according to his sorcery description. The Dragons suffered a fate similar to the Giants, nearly exterminated, their god was driven out according Placidusax remembrance and he himself is place at the end of time waiting for their god to return which might explain how weak the Dragons have become.
Where did you hear that Vyke got two great runes?
The crystal people waiting for their god to return and make more of them
@@adamsirin7249 You're not asking me but I think I can answer this or more accurately give you the theory. Vyke's armor state that he was the closest a Tarnished came to becoming Elden Lord until he went and embraced the Freenzy Flame. After the player character gains two great runes and speaks to finger reader Enia she says that this is the second time she seen two great runes at once. If you put that plus Vyke's statement of being the closest a Tarnished came to Elden Lordship then you can surmise he might of been the first one. This is theory of course but a fairly credible one I would say.
@@EPULLMUSIC Honestly there so much stuff they can explore in future DLC and other content. One of the under explore things that I can mention is the Blood Star that Brair's Punishment describes, The Eclipse Sun from Castle Sol and the Eclipse shotel tand the Moon of Nosktella talisman mention a Black Moon that guided the Eternal City to name a few. The good thing is I imagine Elden Ring is here to stay for a while and they have plenty of time to explore that and more.
I have some wild conjecture on Marika's intentions and why Godwyn was murdered the way he was. I believe that Marika's goal was the full and utter destruction of the greater will and the golden order. Marika is shown to have the ability to separate, she removed destined death from the Elden Ring, she shattered it into greater runes and I believe she removed the parts of her that has been influenced into believing in the golden order, which is what turned into Radagon. So why kill Godwyn? To rot the erdtree from within. We know that the greatest heroes at the end of their life are granted burial at the roots of the erdtree and there was no hero more deserved than Godwyn. He had to be killed the way he was, in soul only, his body still living in cursed death, so that when he was buried the curse would spread through the roots and eat away at the erdtree. We know through Ranni that being chosen by the greater will can be a curse, more than a blessing, as it forces its will onto the chosen one. So it's not much of a stretch that Marika either never wanted her godhood or grew to detest it over time. Anyways, that's just my theory on things.
Marika Probably grew to detest the Greater Will, because in one statement she said after all the wars in the Name of the greater will she was not Naiv anymore and theblind trust disappeard
Makes alot of sense
like it
We still dont know if Marika had something to do on that matter... I mean, why to murder your own son. Stil not answer. Sometimes I think It was more of a Ranni decition as she rebelled against the great Will.
Godwyn was meant to one day become elden Lord, and Ranni to become queen. Undoubtly he was someone dangerous to the plans.
Marika it's a big piece on the matter, as there Is a whole plan on doing such. But killing your son it's a big sacrifice... She could have rebelled as Ranni but didnt. Perhaps her name "Marika the fracture" means more than It seems. She wasnt sure... She wanted and wanted not. Living lingering in this toxic cycle until had enough.
I'm personally convinced that Melena is the Gloam Eyed Queen, with her memories somehow wiped.
Born into the body of Melena (potentially after the defeat of the gloam eyed queen). And given the task to burn the Erdtree after assisting a tarnished in the overall plan.
If you haven’t seen it already:
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Here’s a mystery. When you visit the isolated divine tower at the grace site you can see a great and massive waterfall that on the map stretches from the southern lands to the icy mountains in the north. And under this land we know of the deep root area and underground area that stretches under the land and under the sea. These are mostly devoid of water. My question is how and where is all this water coming from? It’s not coming out of the ground because if your under the tree there is actually not a lot of water and that water goes down not up in the the giant lagoon in the middle of the map where the tree is growing
hahaha, yeah the "Lands Between" don't follow physics or reason the way we know them to be. :p
Might be Godwyn's domain.
Precipitation cycle
Rain, dude
do the cup experiment where you put an empty cup upside down, then see the content or the lack of it inside the cup, also. Massive empty cavern inside an ocean is not impossible if that place can be supplied with constant air and is tight pressure. But don't think too much about it cuz it is a fantasy game after all.
It seems to be heavily implied that Godwyn's soul had to be killed and his body left alive, so Ranni could shed her Empyrean body but preserve her spirit. I also believe Ranni is the one who had our maiden killed as she needed us to be maidenless, and many other things in the game. I really believe she is the main driver of the plot to the whole story.
Snow with set. It tells you who renna is. Also explains that the doll was made to look like Renna. You also find the Snow Witch set in "Renna's tower"
I figured that for ranni to shed her flesh and keep her soul that another god had to do the opposite. I feel like that is mentioned somewhere. I also figured killing Goldwyn is the “fearsome rite” she mentions. He was a sacrificial lamb in her quest to shed her flesh.
So far, it seems like Marika was against the Greater Will in some form, and may have been planning for the return of the Tarnished and the burning of the Erdtree for a long while. The Greater Will legitimately wanted the Demigods to be hunted down by the Tarnished based on the dialogue with the Two Fingers. Also you forgot to mention that Marika's Hammer said that Marika shattered the Elden Ring, but also that Radagon tried to repair it. So it's immediately apparent that Radagon was against Marika in some form or another, hence why we fight him when we enter the Erdtree.
In regards to whether Radagon was separate from Marika or not, it seems like they were separate for a while since Radagon was a singular individual long before the banishment of Godfrey and the Tarnished. If I'm remembering the timeline correctly, Radagon was cursed by the Fire Giants to have red hair and married Rennala BEFORE Godfrey was exiled from the Lands Between. How can Radagon and Marika be one person at this time if Marika was present to take away Godfrey's Grace and exile him, while Radagon was already cursed by the Fire Giants to have red hair, AND have already had children with Rennala? The only time where we see them together as one person is when Marika shatters the Elden Ring in the opening cinematic, and when Marika turns into Radagon at his boss fight.
Personally I think the Tarnished were never meant to inherit the Elden Ring and become Elden Lord, or at least the Greater Will never wanted them to become Elden Lord compared to Marika's intentions, which is why people like Morgott were banned from entering the Erdtree and why we were unable to enter since Radagon sealed off the Erdtree. Marika must have known this would happen, and so used Melina (who I believe is the Gloam-Eyed Queen) to be a Kindling Maiden and burn herself to burn the Erdtree with the Flame of Ruin. This may also explain why Marika didn't kill off the last Fire Giant and instead cursed him to tend to the Flame of Ruin forever, so that the Tarnished can come and use the Flame of Ruin to burn the Erdtree when they returned. The Greater Will seemed to only want the Tarnished to hunt down at least two Demigods, and that was it. Maybe the Greater Will knew that the Tarnished would come after it as the Elden Beast since Marika cursed Hewg to create a Godslaying weapon and had Destined Death be freed to kill the Elden Beast.
Or maybe the Tarnished were denied since we don't have an Empyrean available to succeed Marika as the new god and vessel of the Elden Ring. The Gloam-Eyed Queen was defeated/maybe killed by Malekith, Ranni is against the Two Fingers and the Greater Will, Malenia is cursed by Scarlet Rot and can be killed by the Tarnished, and Miquella is asleep and is the only other demigod aside from Ranni to go against the Outer Gods. There aren't any other Empyreans left, and in the other endings, we barely even heal Marika. We just fix her head and as a broken statue she still serves as a vessel of the Elden Ring. We stand alone in each Mending Rune ending without Marika in sight.
In regards to Placidusax vs Godfrey, maybe Elden Lord is just a title given to those who are champions of their respective Outer God once they claim an Empyrean as a wife? It's hard to tell if the Elden Ring came before or after the disappearance of the Outer God of the Dragons since Faram Azula has an insignia of the Elden Ring in Malekith's arena, and you can't be considered an Elden Lord unless the Elden Ring was already present and Placidusax already had an Empyrean as a consort. My guess is that The Elden Ring existed during the time of the Dragons and through countless battles Marika and her army defeated the enemies of the Greater Will including Placidusax, and forced his Outer God to flee. Placidusax seems to be missing some heads so it's likely that it was wounded in battle and chose to reside outside of time itself to wait for its Outer God to return.
Much like how Gerhman was considered the "First Hunter" while Ludwig was considered the "First Hunter of the Healing Church", maybe Placidusax was the "first" Elden Lord of his age, whereas Godfrey was the "first" Elden Lord of the Age of the Erdtree respectively?
Finally, as with Godwyn's assassination? Who knows? Maybe Godwyn was a particularly devout follower of the Golden Order amongst the Demi-gods, and so Ranni/Marika(?) plotted his death to remove an advent follower of the Greater Will? Marika couldn't just have Radagon assassinated, and the other Demigods aside from Radahn and Morgott didn't seem to be that aligned with the Greater Will. Ranni was against the Greater Will, and Rykard also harbored suspicions about it, Mohg was seduced by another Outer God, and Miquella lost faith in the Golden Order since none of its miracles could cure Malenia's Scarlet Rot, which is why he created the Haligtree in the first place. Radahn was a follower of the Golden Order, but it could be possible that he was too strong by that point or maybe he was already keeping the stars in place, and Morgott was probably still locked away and only was released during the Shattering where he could finally protect Leyndell from enemy attack?
She is a good with the power of this world. She/ he can be in two places at once. I am not saying your wrong just giving you an answer
Love the video. So many interesting topics for discussion!
My opinion on one of them at least, is that Godwyn was killed because before that, all the demigods were completely or almost completely immortal. In order for them to be vanquishable, so that one of them or the Tarnished could rise up and become Elden Lord, one demigod had to first be sacrificed, turned into the Prince of Death, and placed at the base of the Erdtree to infect its roots with a fraction of Destined Death. Something that Ranni or, more likely, Marika discovered while researching the nature of the Golden Order and heretical prophecies about the burning of the Erdtree
Why was Godwyn specifically chosen? That I don't know. Maybe he was just too powerful and too loyal to the Golden Order, so might have dominated in the Shattering and kept the status quo rather than overthrowing the Greater Will as Ranni, and seemingly Marika, desired. Morgott rising up from the Shunning Grounds to take his place as the Lord of Leyndell was probably a big surprise for everybody, haha
Just a little thing about this (great theory btw), I highly doubt Marika had a willing role in Godwyn’s death. Although it could still be possible, she stole the Rune of Death to give to Maliketh, her shadow, so he can keep it and save it from being stolen from anyone else. Ranni and the Black Knives later stole this (entirely against what Marika intended) to murder Godwyn and help Ranni escape her Empyrean form (Godwyn’s soul was killed, Ranni’s body was then killed to release her soul). I still don’t know why Godwyn was picked but I suppose it might’ve been a big “f-you” to the Golden Order since he was fiercely loyal to it and Ranni was trying to get away from it and the Fingers.
@@Glucoseus You might be right! That was actually my thought at first too, but lately I've been wondering if Marika actually removed the Rune of Death from the Elden Ring on her own, or if that's what the Greater Will told her to do? The Rune of Death didnt cause death to exist after all. Death existed long before the forging of the Elden Ring. What the Rune of Death's power actually was... is to CONTROL death, to control who could die and what happened to those who did. So what if the Greater Will had the rune created, right from the beginning, with the intention of removing it and hiding it away? That way its goddess and all those she blessed with Grace could never die permanently and, thanks to that, could conquer the Lands Between and rule them in its name forever
If you talk to the Finger Reader about the Rune of Death, she tells you that the Greater Will absolutely does not want the Rune of Death taken from Maliketh and put back into the Elden Ring. But if Marika stole the Rune all on her own, why wouldn't the Greater Will want its creation to be complete again? I think Marika removed the rune at its direction but at some point came to regret this and started arranging things to reunite them, so that she could finally die and this age could end and another begin
@@aranthur woah, now *that* is a good theory!
Theory on Radagon's barring of the Tarnished: He's waiting on his favorite child to come for the Elden Ring, Miquella, because he was confidant, as well as virtually everyone else, that Miquella was both worthy and VERY capable of doing the job, and probably better, than everyone else. Unfortunately, he would have to wait for Miquella to finish his unalloyed gold order first to see if it ever born any merits, but we all know who derailed that plan.
these are great videos, I love the willingness to speculate & the thoroughness in pointing out what is and isn't confirmed in-game! I appreciated the Nepheli Loux mention too, even if you did mispronounce her last name 😁 (it's "Loo")
Thank you for saying something because if you played the game, HOW COULD YOU MISPRONOUCE THIS??? She says it a million times and we hear it elsewhere. Idk, just a huge ball drop for me.
I believe Marika plotted all the events that happen during the game, sacrificing practically all of her offspring as well as herself to overcome the two fingers and the greater will.
I believe Radagon is a slave to the greater will and was working against her the entire time whether he wanted to or not, much like Blaidd and Ranni.
It could be that Radagon wanted the rune of death back in the Elden Ring. If you think about it, the only way to get through his barricade is to burn the Erdtree, which brings us to Farum Azula where we find Maliketh.
What I don't get is - how did we get to the Chapel in the first place? They call us traveller, but I don't see any way to arrive inside the Chapel without some magical teleportation
I always wondered the same thing, who are we and why are we special. I don't believe for one second we are just some random schmo who dropped in to the lands between. Not having a backstory of my own had me often wondering why do I care about any of this. Awesome game though.
@@ironman82tr I thought the point was that you weren’t special. When a Tarnished is killed beyond the fog Grace returns to them and they use what they learned beyond the Lands Between to fight to become Elden Lord. Your character at the start seems to be a pretty unimportant person, didn’t achieve much great or earn a title and died out in the middle of nowhere. Your reason for trying to become Elden Lord and why you seem to be so drawn to Grace when most Tarnished give up is up to you and your desire to keep playing
My best guess is, that Torrent carried us there
Love the Theory and I’m glad that most of the questions I had about this game were answered as a theory. I somewhat love theory’s more than facts and you make listening to those theory’s more enjoyable and intriguing. Solid video and amazing theory.
I mean the reasoning behind the three fingers is given somewhat. Apparently, the frenzied flame and the greater will were once a part of a greater whole and that something cause them to split. Apparently the One Great is a being above normal outer gods and the greater will cause the One great to schism and split. The greater will was then represented by the two fingers and the frenzied flam by the three denoting that the frenzied flame outer god is the part of the One Great that remained after the greater will separated from the initial being
To add to this. The 3 fingers claim that the Greater Will took but never returned anything so the 3 Fingers wish to return everything by burning it all back into nothingness.
@@fishnutz5196 Thanks for the addition. It kind of makes it seems like the frenzied flame wants to become whole again and become the One Great or at least reject the Greater Will's desires. Maybe the frenzied flame saw destroying the "playground" the greater will liked to play with(the lands between) as one of the ways to get revenge
@@d.a.f. quite possibly. 2 fingers is Order while 3 fingers is Chaos. 1 cant exist without the other.
@@fishnutz5196 possibly. The greater will is one of the more "chill" outer gods. All the other outer gods seem pretty crap in terms of their goals/personality.
@@fishnutz5196 I've recently started theorizing that there might be something special about the lands between since so many outer gods seem to want to manipulate it in some way or another. There would probably be more outer gods involved if Radahn hadn't started "holding back the stars". In some ways it makes the outer gods seem like they are some sort of alien race/races. It also raises the question about why Ranni would want to usher in an age of stars since this might just mean more and more outer gods would be able to manipulate the lands between. Possibly Ranni might see this as a better alternative than having the greater will be the strongest outer god
Regarding Radagon’s hostility:
What if you are not the Tarnished they wanted to enter the tree? (If they even want a tarnished to enter).
It works if you consider it like a Game of Thrones scenario: Maybe they just want to hold on to power?
As I understand it, the golden order was effectively usurped by Marika. She was able to steal Destined Death and lock it up with her brother (Malakith), effectively making her line immortal. Then they need a tarnished to hold all the runes as Elden lord, and safe keep them to maintain the golden order?
Maybe Marika/Radagon wanted another Tarnished (ex. Nepheli, from the line of Godfrey?) to be the lord. But the Greater Will instead pulled a sneaky one: graced you as a Tarnished and set you off to tear down the golden order and reforge the ring. That would bring the Greater Will back into power by allowing it to influence (control?) the gods in the lands between. (Aside: Also explains why Miquella was so keen to create the unalloyed needle, which blocks that influence)
Anyway, here comes you with all the pieces of the Elden Rune and the ability to screw up Marika’s power, so of course Radagon is going to want to stop you.
Then you beat him down and out pops the Elden Beast, and all it has to do is get your runes and it will restore power for the Greater Will… so you have to die- hence why the Elden Beast needs you dead too.
But you beat it down and now you can choose how to proceed: Restore the order for the Greater Will, tear it down and usurp power for yourself, or hand power to another (Ex. Ranni or Chaos).
Sounds a bit GRR Martin-ish?
Also regarding his hostility, didn't you kill his favorite dog, Maliketh? I'd be hostile if someone killed my dog too.
Could be the fact Tarnished aren’t liked in the lands between. A mere tarnished coming into the sacred Erdtree. Radagon and the Tarnished aren’t on the same side, as tarnished are pawns of Marika who wants the golden order destroyed
During Ranni's quest, she even tells you that she's the one that orchestrated the death of Godwyn. And she was being forced to become the new vessel of the Elden Ring. So she stole a piece of the Rune of Death, and had Godwyn's soul killed, but not his body. And had her body killed, but not her soul. Just because she was being forced to be the next vessel of the Elden Ring.
After the night of the Black Knives, both Ranni and her Two Fingers were unable to eliminate each other. Maybe that stalemate is what Marika despaired of, thinking her son died in vain. Or maybe I'm just gassing, idk.
For the Placidusax thing, I took it as him being the equivalent of Elden Lord before the title existed, for whatever previous ‘order’ etc there was (the crucible?). I won’t die on that hill and have nothing to base that off of, it’s just how I personally resolve that weird contradiction until/unless we get more info.
Don't you mean Pleacidusax?
@@TortillaBill yup! Thanks, edited
Only thing we can be sure of, is that Ranni is a liar. We cannot believe anything coming from her mouth.
Idk. She's pretty open about her involvement with Godwyn's death and why she killed her body. She's also open about her plans with the fingers and what she plans to do once she becomes a Goddess. Her translation was messed up so people see her ending as a bad one, but it really isn't. She isn't a good person, though. She had to do a lot of shady stuff to escape the influence of the greater will. And made sacrifices so she can stop all outer gods influence over the lands between. But she's not an evil, and definitely isn't a dishonest character. The ones you really can't trust who are "good" are Gideon, Marika and the two fingers. Those three are the shadiest of all the shades.
I’m surprised that one big mystery wasn’t mentioned here!
We see the Two Fingers are all linked to someone. Ranni offs hers, there’s one at the top of each divine tower…
So who is the two fingers in the Roundtable Hold linked to?
I would guess... Melina. Our Maiden. It makes sense to me since by the time that we get to certain points in the store the fingers basically say 'burn it all'. Since it is connected with her.
@@mariawhite7337 I think it was just Enia, who told us to do, what we deem right, and not the fingers. Because the fingers went and tried to communicate with the greater will.
How did Radagon give Rennala a great rune if the elden ring was still intact
That’s a good question. There is a bigger, more complex Elden Ring/rune configuration depicted in Farum Azula, but we don’t know anything about it
Could have been Raani's rune. It's the only one that's unaccounted for. This would also explain why Raani is an emperian.
I love your videos... literally the best background sound to cook and study to!
Loved the video!! And something that could help you would be to make a timeline to help with theory crafting
In the Giant's Whip description, It says after the war on the giants they cursed Radagon to have Read Hair meaning he had blond hair before like Marika
I cure you with being a ginger
Yeah that's not what the description says. Also, the little sword monuments you find reads: "Radagons glory burns red as his hair" - First Liurnian War; which means his hair was already red.
Nowhere does it say anything about him having blonde hair, if anything the description is saying Radagon has Giants heritage
that is not what the description says
Godwyn was murdered so Ranni could throw off her flesh that was bound to the greater will so she could one day make her one world without tha pains and confusion the greater will has allowed. It’s in the game you just have to do some digging
Thank you lol. I was like UNTRUE
Ranni merely interjected the plan with her own agenda.
What I think is this: Godwyn's death was orchestrated by the greater will as he chose to ally with dragons rather than subjugate them under the Erdtree. Since Godwyn wasn't an empyrean, a baleful shadow couldn't be sent for his assassination. Also, the gloam eyed queen lost her purpose after Maliketh defeated her. So a witch was needed to steal a fragment of the rune of death to be used in ritual by Godwyn's own race to slay him. These black knife assassin's were however unaware of Ranni's hidden designs and were betrayed by her. Afterall, we see the assassins go after all Ranni's comrades.
Marika was counting on Godwyn's alliance with the dragons to loosen the totality of the golden order and his death foiled it. Unable to bear the gnawing curse of being beholden to the elden ring any longer, she shatters it whilst radagon tries to repair it as he believes in stability through sacrifice. Maybe the black knife assassins were close confidants of Radagon as he IS Marika afterall.
@@adamsirin7249 we know next to nothing about the gloom eyed queen so i dont even know hwy shes being brought into this. If you go down Ranni’s quest she does in fact tell you that she had Godwyn killed with half of the death rune while she killed you her physical form with the other half. Now she doesnt come out and say it was only half we can infer this because if we go the dusk ending route without needing to actually complete it, the death rune can be made whole again by gathering its two halves and giving them to the death companion lady. If you kill the lich dragon in Godwyn s dream while the death companion is at his undead fishy tail (this fight can only happen in this manner) when you awake victorious you will complete the death rune and can place into radagons/Marikas body to complete the Elden ring to its formal status. So we can infer ranni can read the runes and knows how to use them to get a desired result ie the death of her body and the death of Godwyns “soul”. Rannis motives are simple in that she doesn’t want to be a slave to the greater will and its fingers so she casts the body she was born/created with away because the greater will can make you as an empyrean obey against your better interests. She wants to escape the endless cycles of pain and stagnation she wants freedom and thus seeks to create a new world far beyond the reaches of the greater will.
@@geninji6117 Dude, listen. What are you trying to say? What's your point? You haven't contradicted anything I said and I feel you don't have the level of comprehension to understand what I typed, actually.
And through Fia, you don't complete the rune of death. It's the mending rune of the death prince. A new concept that seeks to inculcate 'living within death' into the elden ring. So there is no destined death indiscriminate, as the duskborn continue to live within death, unreturned to the erdtree without depending on rare deathroot. It normalising that way of existence.
And we actually know a few pivotal pieces of info about the gloam eyed queen. She was an empyrean herself and responsible for meting out death to the demigods, before her defeat at the hands of Maliketh.
@@adamsirin7249 i did in fact contradict a few things and since your reading comprehension clearly sucks more then mine since you wanna be a dick i can try to better lay it out for you. 1 the greater will didnt plot the death of Godwyn that was ranni. 2 you collect a piece of the death rune from rannis corpse and fia has the other already and you give fia rannis half. Once you kill the lich dragon in the mind of godwyn the rune is found on fia complete. The mending rune reads as such: Rune gestated by fia, the death companion. Used to restore the fractured Elden ring when brandished by the Elden lord. Formed of the two hallowbrand half-wheels combined, it will embed the principle life of within death into order. The golden order was created by confining destined death. Thus, this new order will be one of death restored. End item description. The references to the golden centipede through the game is the death runes two halves because separate they take the form of centipedes and together they restore true death ie returning the Elden ring back its truest form. Now if you would like to continue hurling insults thats fine but if you’d like to try and clear things up thats fine then lets talk but dont be an ass when I’ve clearly laid out what the game give us.
Good video dude U got a sun outta me with that. Look forward to more
I don't understand why Godwyn looks the way he does in the game, some weird octopus face with a fishtail, and also why his body is so huge. Also why is his body present in two places at once (under Stormveil and in Deeproot Depths). In trailers showing him being murdered he looks like a normal, average sized human.
I would say these unsolved cases are mostly already proven and solved. The only real cases here are Melina, the Empearean diffinition, and Ranni's connection to Melina
@Charles Hastings judging by the fact that you fight a Godskin Apostle an the Temple of Eiglay in Mt. Gelmir, one could argue that Rykard has/had some sort of connection to them. And we do know that Rykard is Rennala's son, so maybe this is why.
Another point is that there are multiple gods interested in the lands between, Ranni's and Rennala's deities are two different moons, Rykard's is the serpent, Shabriri and the Chaos, etc.
Judging from that, I would assume, that different gemstones hold power, some sort of energy or a connection to the gods.
That would also explain, how Crystallians are "alive" to some extent.
Feel free to correct wrong assumptions
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I love that Ranni had such a deep and long questline + ending influence, and you basically dont know shit about her. I still love her though
Truly the Tom Bombadil of Elden Ring
I think it is pretty clear that being a pureblood god is not required to be an Empyrean as Ranni is confirmed to be an Empyrean. Her killing her body is said to be to get rid of the Two Finger's influence. So the theory that an Empyrean is simply someone chosen by the Two Fingers is much more likely.
The mystery of what makes an Empyrean is one of my favorite foods for thought. Maybe the rules are not as strict as we assume? Like yes, if a single god births or creates children (ie. Malenia and Miquella), that meets the criteria of being one. However, Ranni is only a demigod if Rennala is truly her birth mother. Can an individual perhaps be chosen to be an Empyrean by The Greater Will? Despite their heritage or lineage? That could also explain the Gloam Eyed Queen being an Empyrean. The Greater Will is assumably a single god, and also the most powerful/influential god of the Lands Between, can this hypothetical “I choose you” method be enough to meet the criteria of “being born of a single god”?
I think the deal with the fingers is, they were once a god in balance, a sort of yin and Yang, but something split them, and they broke apart into a god of order and a god of chaos, and the fingers represent how they are a single outer god but also 2, like marica and radagon.
Also the frenzied flame god explicitly doesn’t like devision, he wants to melt everything back into one and start over. Maybe this outer god is actually the good guy here, he just wants to reconnect with his other half so chaos and order can be balanced again.
So, presuming Ranni is the one who orchestrated Godwyn's death (and I think this is mentioned by her in game but I forget): she needed to kill her original body to circumvent some of the control the Greater Will had on her. The only way to do that was through the Rune of Death, but if she used the whole thing she'd be dead-dead. So, it seems she broke it in half and gave the "souls die" portion to the Assassins, who used it on Godwyn, and then used the "bodies die" portion on herself. You find her original body as part of her quest.
Also I think her Great Rune is - literally on the moon, you can sort of see it up there.
Really hope we get to go on MoonQuest for some of the DLC.
Maybe Radagon is trying to kill us based on the fact the he is Marika's current consort and the two fingers asked us to become her consort. Basically he doesn't want to be usurped and MAYBE he doesn't want you to take his consort. I think it's probably the position of power option, but who knows he might care for his literal other half.
I think I remember there actually being a "5 fingers" mentioned in game not necessarily via the "2 fingers" & "3 fingers" equaling 5, but I remember picking up this dagger that's description mentioned something about "5 fingers" and it's relationship with those beast people in Farum Azula. Maybe I'm remembering wrong or just misread it altogether, but figured it could be worth mentioning?
Was an April Fools joke by a content creator, can't remember who
Yeah, I suspect that too. Below the Bestial Sanctum, you can get the Cinquedea Dagger.
We can also see that crumbled parts of Farum Azula are all over the Lands Between, meaning it might be some floating continent governing it a while back.
3:16 Am I missing something here? In your proof that Marika was discussing the Elden Ring's shattering, she's talking about herself and Radagon, not the Elden Ring. If you're saying she means "us" as in being vessels for Elden Ring, then wouldn't that be an interpretation, not proof? She could just as easily have meant that they were just shattered from each other.
These are all amazing questions I didn't think about. Thanks for expanding the lore!.. even if we don't have answers
Plot twist, the Gloam-Eyed Queen is Velka transcending game lores to torture us with a hundred unanswered questions.
Velka is sick! Love her
I have a feeling all this half explained lore is a Segway to a more transmedia brand concept wherein they’ll release accompaniments in book, video and dlc format that explain different aspects of the lore in depth to fill the gaps over time. Obviously this is also just the way From tells stories but with Bandai saying they want Elden ring to be a part of everyone’s life (their words) and the fact they’ve stated they want to expand Elden Ring into a multimedia concept, it makes sense. There’s just way too much money to be had and I for one am 100000% fine with that haha I’ll pay if they take the time and care to get the story flushed out however they want, the possibilities are legion.
Something small but probably important is that the two fingers are the pinky and ring finger and the three fingers are the middle, index and thumb and together they make a whole hand. Not super sure what that means overall but it's there. My hot take is that the pinky and ring usually correlate with promises and bond with another and the three fingers having a thumb meaning they can grab and take things from others. But again, not sure what that means overall
I have the terrible feeling that
in the DLC they will give us a Lore Dumb that will force Rannis ending to "Be like super bad actually"
Tbh, I really love the fact that all the endings may connect to other souls games. If that was true then that's probably one of the biggest connections in gaming history right there.
Also, Ranni did provide reasoning for her desire to kill Godwyn as it was necessary for her to shed her "mortal flesh" and become a doll-like spirit being. Basically she killed his soul and left the body alive so she could kill her body and keep her spirit alive.
I think the question is why Godwyn specifically.
@@scheherazade2291 I am assuming it has to do with the fact that Ranni is a demigod and probably needed a sacrifice of similar importance. She was an empyrean trying to limit the influence of the greater will on herself and this probably required a great price to do so.
But why Godwyn?
Maybe radagon was hostile as a kind of test to make sure the person who reforged the ring was worthy of it.
godwyns death being rannis doing seems pretty clear to me since she needed to get rid of her own body and if godwyn wouldnt have died at the same time all her plans would have been fucked because she killed herself
Great video. Thanks you!
There's dead finger maidens all over the map, the puppet Sellvus gives you states that a maiden needs to be guided to a tarnished just like a tarnish is guided torward a maiden. I doubt the first maiden we see has anything to do with us. Just another lost soul that met an end too early.
Marika is staving off death, that's the only thing that makes sense. She removed Destined Death, she's held onto this era for thousands of years keeping everyone in the Lands Between stuck in a cycle of unending suffering, she split herself in two to create more life and conquer more lands. Her motives are far from mysterious. It's self-preservation.
An Emperyean is borne of a single god. That explanation should suffice. Ranni cannot be a child of Renala and Radagon and something shadey had to have gone down. Apparently when Marika breeds with herself it causes mutation and disease, so Ranni could've been borne through ritual or even some kind of immaculate conception. A virgin Mary situation or a surrogate mother unaware of the deception but who knows how Renalla's pregnancies work normally anyway, it can't be natural birthing process. She spits out kids in seconds at different stages of maturation and recycled including you being rebirthed.
I can't get to the rest of these, you're going too fast. Lol
At 6:21 the description of Blackflame GS mentions the Gloam-Eyed Queen was an Empyrean 'chosen by the Fingers', instead of "being borne of a single god". That's why ppl believe there're 2 ways of becoming an Empyrean. It also supports the theory that Ranni was just a demi-god borne from Radagon and Rennala, but was chosen by the 2 Fingers to be Empyrean.
I dislike that last bit solely because it implies rebirthing as a literal birth and not a magical renewal of body
The finger maiden seems heavily tied to the player. She looks like she had just recently died and the tarnished that can still see grace are incredibly rare at this point in the game.
As for Marika, I know she is technically credited with removing Destined Death to create the Golden Order, but it makes far more sense that the Greater Will instructed her to do so. She doesn't stop death from happening, she just made the Erd Tree the conduit for reincarnation which obviously has benefits for the Greater Will which created the Erd tree to begin with. Marika original goal is to conquer the entire continent and plant Erd Trees to expand to Erd Tree's power.
Marika also states in that dialogue that radagon is “yet to become a god” so I’m fairly sure they were entirely seperate until merged
They could still be one. Radagon & Marika being One but still separate being is very similar to the Catholics' belief in Holy Trinity. This could probably the inspiration for the game's lore.
I think the reasons why radagon conflicted with the will of the greater will is because (I read this somewhere but don’t remember where) the greater will doesn’t care about the form of order as long as order itself exists, and they are able to rule from the shadows, which is why they allow you to become Elden lord in the first place. Radagon is loyal to the golden order not the greater will, remember he was devoted to kind of just blind faith in the golden order while marika sought to test its limits, see what makes it tick, learn about the real ins and outs of it, and through this she began to lose faith, while radagon continued believing. The game shows in one of the trailers how marika shattered the Elden ring and radagon tried to fix it. In that one moment the cause of everything that is going on in the lands between was revealed but it took so long for us to realize it. Marika was no longer devoted to the greater will and wanted us to become Elden lord, radagon was made to be the perfect soldier and lord, devoted entirely to the golden order (remember he didn’t care about the greater will, it was his order he wanted to keep alive) and so when the greater will contradicts itself, wanting radagon to just stand by and let the tarnished become Elden lord, and give up the entire reason for his existence, to serve the golden order, he decides not to obey and attacks us. The greater will has given up on both of them and all of the demigods and asks us to slay any of them who get in our way without mercy, causing the whole saga of our time in the lands between
they have so much to answer in this game! i cant imagine their dlc is gonna be able to cover it all
radagon is a rune, the rune of order. Merika is the elden ring, thus she is all runes. Melina is the death rune. She has rani's form/voice because she took rannis essence when ranni used her to kill off her soul. Her "mother" is rani because rani "created" her when she splite the rune fragment off. This is why she has the tattoo. and it's on the opposite side because the rani we know is a reflection. ..... I think
also. rani needed her body killed so she could be free from the will. but didn't wanna die all the way so she killed godwyns soul. but why him. I don't know
I think drawing any conclusions about Ranni visually is wrong. Her body is a doll, a doll that was made to look like her teacher the snow witch. The real Ranni doesn't look like how we see her in game. We're seeing the snow witch. The snow witch is the dusk eyed queen. This makes sense then why they look and sound the same. When killed by Malaketh Melania forgot who she was (she pretty much tells you this) until she talks to Merica and remembers she needs to burn down the erd tree. She used to be death, the cycle of ages relied on her killing gods so the next could take their place. I think the greater will wanted her to remove the rune of death so it could remain in power, Merica realized she was gonna have to play the long game and set it in motion that Melania would find a tarnished eventually to challenge the greater will.
(THEORY POST)
1. Marika was likely told by the Greater Will that the tarnished would return. One of the words of Marika told to the player by Melina implies that Marika knew this was going to happen but wanted to see what would happen by removing Destined Death. The Greater Will clearly needs strong people for some unclear goal.
I suspect that Greater Will is trying to create a strong vessel (empyrean) that is capable of becoming it's corporeal form in the Lands Between. My guess is the giant skeletons we see around the lands between are the corpses of gods from previous ages. I think this is why they killed Godwyn because he was beginning his transformation into a godly vessel which is why his body is so enormous and weird looking. I think the Black Knives cut into his cocoon to kill him which is why the cutscene showing his humanoid corpse is surrounded by darkness, yet the thing called his corpse in game is this giant octopus looking monstrocity. I think the body under Stormveil was Godrick attempting the same but he was too weak and failed. I don't think he's literally a distant relative (descendant) of Marika and Godfrey but Godwyns weak and feeble twin. I think the dilution of his blood referred to in game is actually related to the grafting diluting his lineage in his attempt to become strong and the Greater Will views attaining strength this way as blasphemy. This is why Godrick was ran out of Leyndell and disinherited, because he was found experimenting with grafting. Despite this however he still was allowed to claim a shard of the Elden Ring since he is Marika's son.
2. I believe Radagon is Marika's twin and twins are necessary in some capacity to control the Elden Ring. I think that Marika and Radagon were born as children of a Numen warrior (the elden lord that replaced the elder dragon) and the previous god of the elden ring, who was a crossbreed of a fire giant and dragonkin. This is where Radagon gets his red hair and why Malaketh is their half brother (child of the previous god and a beast queen). I also think the dragonkin blood is what produces the Omen children and dragonkin blood must be a threat to the Greater Will somehow, which is why they are sealed away and shunned. I suspect Marika chose to use her half siblings and their descendants as the shadows of the empyreans due to their power and close proximity to the power of the Elden Ring. My guess is after Marika and Radagon overthrew the previous holders of the Elden Ring it was required that they combine their twin souls to control the Elden Ring with Marika taking the lead in the lands between as god while Radagon remained in the Erd Tree. This process must take time to fully complete which is why Marika says to Radagon "You have yet to become me".
3. Ranni and Melina are twin sisters and Melina is Renna. Melina is the Gloam Eyed Queen. There's way too much connecting Melina to the Gloam Eyed Queen for it to be anyone else and the sacred twin symbolism is everywhere in the game. Melina uses a move set similar to the Black Knife Assassins, looks like Ranni, Ranni is the only character to even hint at Melina, her sealed eye is the same color as the beast eye that reacts to the deathroot, and Melina (after leaving you at the capital) is suddenly very focused on getting to Marika and finishing your mission while repeatedly referencing Destined Death.
I believe Renna/Melina (as the Gloam Eyed Queen) created the Godskins out of the Black Blades and nobles willing to betray Marika after her and Ranni learned something shocking about Marika/The Greater Wills plans (likely from either the frenzied flame or the flame god of the fire giants, which is where the eye seal comes from). Rykard, Ranni, and Renna (siblings) teamed up to overthrow the Golden Order with Renna at the lead as the Gloam Eyed Queen. Ranni worked with the Nox, Renna led the godskins, and Rykard set up his fortress in volcano manor. I believe the Godskins first mission was to kill all of the twins in the lands between (Aurelia and Aureliette for example) as they learned twins were necessary to birth the Greater Will. In fact, I think they chose the name "Godskin" because they were literally killing anyone who could become the Greater Will's (god's) SKIN (body) and used the Black Flame (rune of death) to ensure that these twins truly died and didn't simply return to the Erd Tree. When they failed and Renna/Melina was caught I think Marika wiped her memory (Seluvis?) at Elden Throne (the foot of the Erd Tree) and repurposed her as a messenger of the Golden Order. She didn't kill her because Renna/Melina was a strong twin empyrean candidate chosen by the Greater Will and since the Godskins killed most of the other twins she couldn't waste this precious resource. All of this was too much for Ranni and Rykard, so in their desperation they decided to carry out the plot of the Black Knife Assassins. Despite Ranni claiming she knew nothing about Rykards plan to kill Godwyn I suspect this is another lie as it's too much of a coincidence that their deaths happened simultaneously resulting in Ranni becoming a disembodied spirit. I also suspect that her physical form being burned caused Rennas/Melinas form to also burn due to their twin/eye seal connection, thereby freeing Melina from Marika's control but leaving her to wander as a spirit with no clear direction due to her missing memories.
Once the player returns to Erd Tree, which is sealed until the player gets 2 great runes preventing Melina's return, Melina leaves the player and somehow recovers her memories. I think this is why she comes to your aid in the Morgott fight and subsequent burning of the Erd Tree despite immediately before this saying goodbye for good. After this she repeatedly references Destined Death and her tone changes significantly. Also, she survives the burning at the forge because if you do the frenzied flame ending after Farum Azula she reappears in the end cutscene, which means either she didn't know she would survive (unlikely considering how knowledgeable she was of this process) OR she LIED to the player. The Gloam Eyed Queen had an affinity to flame and destined death, 2 things Melina is directly connected to.
This theory would be 10 pages if I included all of the item descriptions and text that support these theories, but if you're curious about specifics by all means comment below and I will share where I got my information. These are only part of the full theory of the lore of Elden Ring I've come up with over the last 1.5 months. I've poured over the text files of the game and played through the game 3 times at this point so I'm pretty confident I can substantiate my claims.
Your Gloam-eyed Queen cosplay was on point, sir.
In my opinion, the question about the empyreans should be:
Why is Ranni an empyrean. She is the outlier.
Because she was born from the amber egg that Radagon left Renalla! So technically she's born from one god!
One of the mysteries I most want answers for is right from the beginning of the game - what IS a maiden? What are their origins, why are they connected to a Tarnished? Where is every other Tarnished's maidens? People talk about being maidenless as a big deal, yet as far as I can tell almost every other Tarnished we encounter is also maidenless.
Bernahl had a maiden. And so did vyke. So did juno. Vyke went to see the three fingers against his maidens suggestion. And bernahls maiden died in the fire in the mountain top of the giants.
Excuse me, no miquella mention?! jk awesome video! can't wait to see more from you 😁
I don't think 9 is much of a mystery. He's literally being worn like clothing by the elden beast pretty heavily implying he's no will of his own anymore.
This is backed up by one of ranni's dialogues about not wanting to be "controlled by that thing"
Yeah, I vaguely recall that there's several points where the Elden Beast and Erdtree are basically described as parasites.
Maybe Marika wanted to end that?
Godwyn was killed so that Ranni could have her body dying but her soul live, so to be free from the influence of the two fingers. Simple as that.
Because Godwin is the son of Marika, he is basically the Heir to being the next Elden Lord or god. So the Black Night Assassin's were hired by someone to kill him to take his inheritance for themselves. But this my theory.
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One thing always bugged me about Radagon is everyone is convinced in game that the great rune was the gift he gave Rennala but what if it was Ranni. He could have had Ranni with Marika and given their daughter to Rennala as his gift to her. That would explain Ranni being an empyrean but what about the great rune in the amber? If Radagon has that cross hatch great rune when he isn't one with Marika, then surely they could have imbedded a great rune in Ranni as well. When Ranni's body was killed, the great rune then gets ambered and Rennala holds it as the last part of Radagon's gift and adopted daughter.
Side Note, Radagon blocking the player from the Erd tree could also be explained by what you need to remove the barrier. Only after getting the Destined Death can you enter the Erd tree, which Marika removed from the Elden Ring most likely against the Greater Wills wishes. Him trying to kill you upon entering could be him claiming all the great runes you gathered to reforge the Elden Ring himself.
one thing i want to know more about is where did those gargantuan skulls that pock mark the lands of caelid come from? they are about 4 times the size of the giants skulls and have roots growing through them and are over grown with the local fauna of that region... would be nice to know where they originate from lore-wise just to quell my curiosity
They might be aspects of the Rot goddess alike aspects of Godwin that appears in the lands between.
Since Caelid is plagued with it. But that doesn't explain the one in the giants' mountain
According to Tarnished Archaeologist, they are the race that built the Sacred Towers, and the gigantic stone structures that underlie (and support?) the lands between. They seemingly worshiped something brought to the Lands Between by falling stars (meteors). That could be meteoric Iron, but remember other things arrive by stars. The five Sacred Towers surround the giant hole at the center of the map.
My guess is that this is where the Elden Beast arrived with the Elden Ring. Following the Greater Will, the Elden Beast selected one of the Giants to be the vessel of the Elden Ring, thus becoming a God. The chosen God then creates a new Order by deciding how the world will work. These decisions determine what Runes make up the Elden Ring, and thus its shape. The reign of this God is called an Era, defined by what this God builds following the rules of its chosen Order.
Ironically, the Giants were eventually wiped out by a swarm of meteors pulverized the surface, splashing molten rock on the sides of the Towers, and burying all their other works. At this point the Greater Will (working through the Elden Beast) selected a new vessel for the Elden Ring and a new Order was born. This cycle has been repeated many times. At some point there was a Dragon God, and at some point the Beast-Men were given intelligence. We can see the shape the Elden Ring took then on a wall in Farum Azula.
Eventually a man became God and planted the Great Tree. This God's statue is found everywhere in the ruins of the Ancient Dynasty, depicted growing the Great Tree. When that era ended with the burning of the Great Tree, Merica became the new God. In HER new Order the Rune of Death was removed from the Elden Ring and she grafted the Erd Tree to the roots of the Great Tree.
There are other forces in the world than just what the current God (vessel of the Elden Ring) includes in His/Her Order. Those forces NOT included are called Outer Gods. They are not 'Outer' like 'from outer space', but simply outside the current Order. For example, Melania is an Emperion who could become the Goddes of Rot. In that case, Rot would no longer be an Outer God, but would be a major part of the New Order supported by the Elden Ring. Other examples are the Flame of the Fell God and the Devouring Serpent, both excluded by Marica.
But the Flame of Frenzy is not merely an Outer God. It is the equal and opposite of the Greater Will. Where the Greater Will imposes Order, the Frenzied Flame tears down Order and creates Chaos.
Well, if you listened carefully, you find out from the get go after meeting Nepheli in stormveil and talking to her at the round table, she tells you that Sir Gideon is her foster father.
So I knew from there Gideon was not her real dad.
i love the theory that ranni its the ambar egg, or her soul its in the ambar egg, that fixes her being the only empirean that wasnt born of a single god (radagon gave the egg to renala, the egg existed before the marriage, so if ranni its the egg ranni came from radagon alone and not renala) explains her voice in the 2n phase cutscene and explain where her great rune its, inside the egg, its the great rune of the unborn
Agreed - Ranni’s Rune / Ranni herself was the great rune of the Unborn. Thus she comes from a single God (Radigan/Marika) - she cast aside her rune when she slew her own body and Rennala hugs it in Amber, desperate to get her dearest daughter back.
But gideon knows and talks about rennala's great rune while he has no idea on where ranni's rune is located, so i think there's a clear distinction between them. Also in the divine tower of liurnia (where we find ranni's body) we don't actually activate any great rune (rennala's rune doesn't need activation), so i do believe they are different.
@@El_zapiz people give too much credit to gideon, he can be mistaken, he wants to be omniscient but in reality its only well informed, and furthermore, nothing in jis dialogue imply they are diferent runes
i dont understand how you mispronounce a characters name that literally says it themself LMAO
:( I try ok lol
@@BanditGames It’s also in the intro movie if you want to check. 😃👍
Oh my goodness the DOA finger maiden is so interesting! getting some dead kos on the beach of the fishing hamlet vibes from this!
We can also confirm that she's a finger maiden because you can use her blood for the finger maiden blood quest.
I bet after George and Miyazaki had the completed script for the game infront of them Miyazaki went through and erased random sentences to mess with people
12:49 I think I know why Godwyn was half killed: because Ranni needed to be half killed. Ranni needed her spirit to live, but for her body to die, so it makes sense that Godwyn would have the opposite condition: dead spirit, living body. He was also probably placed at the roots of the Great Tree because he just needed to be laid to rest, and since he was only half dead, probably wouldn’t do much if he were buried at the Haligtree, which is supposed to recycle you.
Man imagine if Radagon fights you in the Ranni and Frenzy Flame endings, while Marika fights you with the Elden Lord endings.
I mean, about Godwyn, wasn't it that as Ranni's body had to die but her soul life, another soul had to die or something like that?
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About the dead finger maiden, I read a theory somewhere that Varre had something to do with her death. Somehow he knew that we were maiden-less from the start. Its not like the other tarnished are going around the lands between with their maiden on their side. So how'd he know? He also had some blood on his clothes. And killing the finger maiden might serve his purposes too. Maybe hr though the tarnished without the finger maiden would be easier to manipulate to do Mohg's bidding?
Lots of crazy speculation that demands more corroboration, I know. But it is fun to think about.
interesting to note the he and Melina are the only ones, tmk, that refer to the player as 'maidenless'.
just further speculation, but Melina's offer to the tarnished might not have gone as planned if they already had their own maiden under the influence of the two fingers...
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To me it's pretty clear why Godwyn was killed, during Rannie's quest line we learn that she slew her body with the centipede curse mark, but in order to be released from the influence of the golden order a soul had to ALSO be killed, so, She slew her body and killed Godwin's soul with the other half of the centipede curse mark at the EXACT same time during the night of black knives, thus freeing herself from the two fingers...