I mentioned this in the video, but I think it's worth doubling up on because I see so many people overlooking the freedom and flexibility he is getting out of this deal. Even if PFL goes under before Francis can get an MMA fight, he still has the freedom to go where ever he choses afterward. For a guy like Francis, that is probably worth more than whatever the UFC was offering, if it meant being beholden to the UFC and their whims.
Yes but then he's lost valuable time in terms of cementing his legacy. No fighter can afford to sit out for years, besides Jones, and still come back without losing star power.
I swear I think like a good half of the people here didn't even watch the video and are just going off of whatever Dana "Slap fighting has more engagement than any sport" White is says lol The amount of straight up pathetic UFC bootlickers really is crazy
The dick riding is so anti UFC it’s just a meme at this point. Arguing that Francis having freedom and flexibility is more valuable than the fortune he’d make in the UFC is laughable. The equity argument is equally ridiculous, athletes create equity for themselves, and the nonexistent PFL Africa is technically worthless. Maybe you’re saying the freedom to box is what’s most valuable, but no big names are interested. Francis doesn’t seem willing to fight anyone below top level boxers who have nothing to gain from him and because Francis can’t promote a fight to save his life the ppv will likely underperform. Francis is an extremely likable guy with amazing potential and character, but to enable plainly bad business decisions hurt him (the fighter) and us as fans.
"I'm not going to call Jon Jones dishonest, hypocritical, or morally bankrupt. I think his legacy speaks for itself." Goddamn, Beige. I actually winced, then laughed out loud.
@@rockyevans1584its actually crazy how many people defend Jon simply based on the fact that he is a very good fighter even tho he is a fucking monster to anyone with a solid head on their shoulders
@@illansuu9572 yep, bunch of morons who represent the large percentage of people who barely pay attention. A guy with this much trouble during the prime of his career will likely cause plenty of news during retirement. It's scary, really
Something to not underestimate as well is the vice grip that Dana has on the narrative that many fans have. He is basically a separate function of the UFC that fuels so much of the narrative around each fighter, and given how compelling he is many fans just blindly follow his word as law.
I'll never forget the disgust I had when Ciryl Gane, a man whose done nothing controversial and has only focused on becoming a better martial artist, walked out to a stadium of booing while Jon Jones, a heavyweight that beat his fiance in front of his kids, walked out to roaring cheers. It was that moment I knew UFC was dead to me.
It went from "He fumbled the bag" to "its still to early to see if he won yet" even though he got everything he wanted. When a person sets a goal and achieves it then its a win, whether or not the mma community wants to accept it or not .
@@jl_finesse so beating cain and stipe who are both the two greatest heavyweights ever, arlovski who is a former ufc champ, overeem, a legend, dream and strikeforce former champ is a joke right. lol cry harder
@@BeigeFrequency Dana White gave Francis an opportunity and he should therefore be thankful for being paid 10k to fight + 10k for a win. He also should do Powerslap every now and then even if his technique doesn't carry over. Slap athletes are much more advanced!11!
I just genuinely enjoy watching Francis succeed. It's really cool to see. I feel like doing his endeavors carefully and achieving even a marginal amount of what he aimed for cements his legacy as a fighter and as a cultural figure. Even if he isn't held in the public consciousness like a McGregor or Jones or Kimbo, this is bigger than that. He is setting a standard. He got to tell Dana 'no'.
@@BeigeFrequency Leaving is one thing. Lots of other fighters have told Dana to shove off before. For him to succeed, AND not fumble the bag, he has to do it all again to a certain degree somewhere else, which he hasn't done yet. If PFL folds and he never has a fight under that promotion is that a success? If he never fights again, or does but gets beat easily is that a success too? Is simply leaving now considered a measure of success? And if so, is that adding to the delusional MMA fan thinking you talked about in the video? Look, people quit their jobs all the time. Repeating what they did, elsewhere, is what makes them a success. I wish him the best. I hope he does it.
@@BeigeFrequency No it’s not, just a lot of people don’t think a guy with a 1-1 record against stipe and one title defense is justified in his complaints. He released his pay information for his first two UFC fights last week and it was six figures plus for each. Everyone out here acting like he’s been enslaved and telling the master no. He’s not. The UFC has made millionaires out of plenty of fighters and I’d say most of them seem okay with the deal they’ve got. He’s going to a d-league organization with no roster that will not be able to afford one unless Francis has the drawing power of Jon Jones. He doesn’t. It’s likely going to be a sideshow and Francis will fade away. PFL is like the XFL or the ABA. It could be a ploy by PFL ownership to try and get the UFC to buy their promotion.
@teddyjackson1902 a guy who knocked tf out of stipe in the rematch and defended his title with an injured knee is justified in whatever complaints he may have.
Francis won on a personal level, but he will likely be removed from the relevant cultural consciousness outside of hardcore circles within a year. I have a good many friends that i watch fights with. Nearly weekly. None of them could name a current PFL fighter, much less a beltholder. Get that money, Francis, but the reality is that, for the non-hardcore mainstream audience, the UFC IS MMA.
Unfortunately, this is probably true. It's why I said even back in my UFC 270 video that I was hoping that Francis and the UFC could have worked something out.
They only place that brings in casuals like the UFC is OFC. But they got a great social media team and they are in Asia and Westerners love everything East Asian related
As always, your videos are well worth the wait. We appreciate the thorough analysis with relative objective and nice spots of humor blended in. Excellent work Beige
Beige, In regards to Dana's comment to the PFL burning cash, while that's been the case of many promotions like Affliction and EliteXC, let's not forget that was the case for the UFC as well. They were losing a boatload of money pre-Zuffa, the Fertitta didn't make a profit in the first years following the acquisition of the UFC. While they became a big success, it could've gone the same way as those above mentioned promotions too. Only time will tell about the PFL, but like Luke Thomas said himself, the PFL won't last if they keep doing what they've been doing in the last few years.
It seems with fight promotions it's all about risk in the early years, to get interest from fighters and fans and take on the behemoth that is the UFC.
@@Benlikesstuff Like I said, it was the same for the UFC in the early years of the Zuffa era. And let's not forget during that time they had to compete with Pride for fighters.
The difference is the UFC didn't have a juggernaut for competition in the US market. PFL is probably going to fall off I've seen this happen time and time again. Unless some extraordinarily wealthy guy wants to use this as a pet project or it's going to be fueled at some money laundering operation for some type of illegal reason it's not going to be around too far in the future
They literally lost almost 100 mill last year and then gave out a 20 million dollar deal to Francis when the PFL probably hasn't even made that much in profit since they've came back and rebranded Dana had alot of solid points in his argument
When the expectation is a super fight with Tyson Fury, and the reality is a PFL contract to fight the guy that got knocked out cold by Jiri Prochaska, it’s a fumble
@@Clay-ge1fu he sold 300k against the biggest name in the Heavyweight division at the time. Unless Ariel Helwani is gonna buy it 700k times, it ain’t happening
I've never paid for a UFC card (or any sporting event for that matter lol), but I might just buy a PFL PPV. Francis is out there doing good; gotta support that.
Everyone do not forget, Jon is the SAME man that said "We'd be giving him a power and strength advantage over me; it just doesn't make sense." in regards to fighting DC at heavyweight... So what does he think about Francis? Also he didn't go anywhere near HW until Francis was gone
Yes, let's not forget one thing that someone reminded me: Jon signed a new deal recently, and his previous deal was supposed to expire next year according to the contract they started drafting in 2017.
Mate .I don't know what I'm more impressed with - the nuances in the arguments you present, or the nuances in your colour work! The bandw art you started with was... Ok. The colour you added, makes it so much richer that it looks like an entirely (infinitely better) picture. Fantastic sir.
I thought he fumbled it, glad to be shown that I was completely wrong. Seems like a really great guy, and I hope this results in the fighters getting better treatment, insurance, healthcare etc. Getting CTE for peanuts is ridiculous.
I couldn’t help but think your last Francis video before and after the deal was announced. You really hit the nail on the head with that last one. It seems that everyone had written Francis off as “fumbling the bag” except a select few, you included. Anyway just wanted to give you your props. Feed nana
Considering the amount of trauma that getting hit by a guy like Ngannou can cause, I really appreciate how he wants his opponents to get paid a potentially fair amount.
It’s always a great evening when Beige posts about MMA. Id love to see this same style of content applied to the No-Gi BJJ scene and in particular the ongoing BTeam and Craig Jones vs New Wave and Gordon Ryan saga - it’s full of drama, passion, steroids, memes, and incredibly high level combat sports
Except Sport BJJ is literally the most boring thing to anyone who doesn't actually do BJJ. It's goofy to look at, too much guard playing and guard pulling.
@@DarkMuj have you literally ever watched modern no gi? It’s a ton of wrestling and when people pull guard it usually immediately chains into a leg lock Edit - seriously go watch a DDS/BTeam/New Wave match. I don’t think it’s possible to watch Gordon Ryan, Garry Tonon or Nicky Rod and find it boring
You can tell Francis is genuinely a good guy. We need more of those in this world we live in today. I hope he gets everything he wants and more from PFL. I know I’ll be watching!
If you think Francis is genuinely a good guy, then you haven't seen enough of him speaking frankly in a language that flows from his lips effortlessly without requiring planning of what he'll say. Francis is genuinely a piece of shit.
I don't even care if he's a good guy or it's just to make money for himself. The way he let those promoters underestimate him as a big dumb African immigrant, and then make fools out of them, is incredibly impressive. Compare that to how easily Paddy was seduced by Dana White.
@@VersaceJesus NO ONE "underestimate(d) him as a big dumb African immigrant." That's just you projecting your own editorial bias into your perception of the situation, or you got it from the rhetoric of the Francis side of the drama, weaponizing social issues to try to make a multimillionaire look like a victim because people easily fall for a race hustle false narrative. He was already over of the highest-paid fighters and was offered even more... NOBODY was treating him like Toby (also a fictional character, btw, not historical like people incorrectly think that movie is) and laughing, that's pure false propaganda for PR reasons. Promoters are greedy, but they're not racist xenophobes, and fighters are underpaid in general, but the top ones like Francis most definitely are not, and it's fucking hilarious that multimillionaires have gotten gullible rubes who make 50 to 100k per annum to rabidly scream that it's inequitable for them to make $8mil per fight. LMFAO And all they had to do was wave racial justice tropes in front of their faces and the fools blindly sided with the ultra-wealthy and fought for them as supposed victims, completely ignoring the fighters who actually NEED good base contracts because they haven't been main event fighters yet.
There are plenty of good people in the world today. They're just quiet. The problem is the loud, manipulative people and the dumb influential people. The internet has caused those two groups to band together.
There is noway PFL gonna make money whenever Francis will fight. Approx 10million to him and 2 million minimum to his opponent ! Already 12 million burnt and still the whole main, prelims and early prelims(if they do it) are left ! Either other fighters pay will be cut or PFL will be in debt no doubt. PFL will get a reality check when Francis will fight and will fail to draw more than 200k or 300k PPV buys
Dana’s treatment of Stipe will always disgust me. They pushed Francis so hard the first time they fought, just to turn it around on him when he wouldn’t do their bidding as champ
Francis biggest mistake was thinking that Tyson Fury was serious in fighting him. It was all about boxing. But now its about fighter rights blah, blah, blah.
Hes repeatedly turned down huge sums of money, including from the ufc, because of none financial terms; yet you people still doubt his authenticity and say its all about money. And the freedom to box is a part of fighters rights, if they're really 'independent contractors' they shouldn't be tied down to a promotion as if they're an employee (without any of the benefits of being an employee). Get off danas dick bro.
He’s prob only gonna have 1 fight… he’s old with bad knees.. he knows this and was just trying to get his biggest last payday and if he boxes this year which I doubt it’s gonna be against someone like Andy Ruiz 😂
I was just missing those melodious tones enough that I went to your back catalog over the weekend while cutting the grass. Booom!! Here you are again with a new video, keeping me from watching your videos about Amy Schumer again lol. Thanks for all your hard work dude!!
15:31 “You can see people reaching for those grapes, and they’re trying to make their wine, and their wine’s already sounding like a violin with that cheese and wine.” -Beige Frequency
Its extremely refreshing to see someone have so much to gain and not only worry about themselves..he couldve easily kept making money in ufc getting paid millions while his opponent gets paid a few hundred grand..especially in todays day and age, where everyone only cares about themselves and not caring who they step over...its amazing to see someone sincerely care about their peers and make an attempt at moving not just themselves but everyone forward..ive always been a fan of francis, and im extremely happy and impressed that he succeeded in what he sought after..many others had the potential to change the game for the better of all the fighters but only cared about themselves, so good for him..
MMA guru was so hard pressed on being right about Francis fumbling. Even after he got the money, Guru was trying to argue Francis still fumbled it because of “legacy” reasons. Unbelievable
@725K Demetrius johnson left the ufc. his legacy is intact. no one really knows who he is fighting now. fedor never signed with the ufc...also legacy intact. gegard mousasi, lyota machida, etc...legacies are still intact
Legacy talk is crazy lmaooo legacy not gonna pay his bills. He’s going to be remembered as one of the great KO artist in UFC history. Who cares if he goes and fights bums for the rest of his career. That’s like saying Silva will be forgotten cause he lost a million fights after weidman 😂
MMA fans at the very least might admit haters are just a part of life but when you say MMA fighters will have haters in their comment section it’s not really a minority either. it’s a plethora of people just hating relentlessly
I was always rooting for Francis, and was happy when he stuck to his guns with the UFC, honestly I was sad that the UFC could not come to terms, but I am sure they just did not want to set a precedent because you know if they gave into Francis with big things well we have Conor with two fights left on his contract and no Champions clause to keep him so I would not be surprised if he would ask for something similar (Remember he was asking for a stake in the Co not to long ago). So the UFC played the long game with a fighter who has maybe 5 good years left of fighting and possible much less.
It has always been that way with the UFC. They do not want to set a precedent that any fighter is distinct from the UFC. Frankly, I think that is why they have such a hard time building stars, when they have plenty of them in waiting. They're unwilling to give virtually anyone a push because of what it could result in down the road. They want a homogenous UFC product, and I actually think that could end up being their downfall in the future.
I think its way too early to say he won. He's not getting younger, not fighting for another year, and is going into the 3rd best organization (AT BEST). If PFL runs out of cash, he's fucked. And even if it works out, leaving 20+ million on the table with the UFC and the exposure he'd get with it is a lot. I'm glad he got a deal but there's more uncertainty than ever now
This deal did seem like a road map and not an actual contract. Francis will not benefit from this deal any time soon, as you said he's not very young, he doesn't have any good potential opponents to sell enough to recoup his cost for the pfl. Pfl Africa might takes years to get going, no real boxing prospects either. This does seem like a kick the can down the road until we have better news to show.
@@JK-gm6kk Which is it? Half the people say the UFC was paying him slave wages and he needed to take out loans to train. The other half of people say he's rich already and ready for retirement.
I've went against so many Francis Ngannou haters on Twitter. Even when they were proven wrong, they still double down that Francis f'd up his career. I see this with Picogram Jones. The ego most people have is baffling to me. Even if this was a terrible deal for PFL and we'll have to wait and see what happens, Francis has won. End of story!
I just hope this doesn't bankrupt PFL. I've very much enjoyed it up until now. How many people are gonna pay for a PPV to see Francis fight anyone on their roster. Unless Jake Paul is attached to it but he's already got the nate fight so I doubt it will be the first one. If the company goes under the "bag" goes with it. That is my worry
The deal Francis signed is fools’s gold. He’s not going to fight for another year! Who’ll give a crap about him? Who’s going to pay to watch him fight a bum? This will be a bust.
@@GeneTickles The copium with you morons is so delicious. Keep moving the goalposts when it comes to Francis. You’ve looked stupid this whole entire time and I’m so sure the guys who do this stuff for a living know so much less than the Mean Gene Okerlund cosplayer on TH-cam. Fuck it.
@@BeigeFrequency I don't thi k they really need to follow him and they won't. I think this is just a sign of what's to come. Can't wait for the resolution of class actions against the ufc. They can't keep operating like they do. Francis just had the balls to stand up to them. But I think in the near future it's gonna be the norm, not vmbecause fighters will push for it, but because the ufc won't be allowed to run their business like they have for the last 20 years.
Or if he somehow does get a fight, Francis will be the B-side of the fight and likely get less than he would imagine. Fury opponents made around 5 million or less, Wilder takes most of the money made for his fights like 90-95% of the money generated. So Francis is going to quickly learn he isn't going to cash out I'd he does get a big boxing match.
Beige, you are absolutely ON FIRE right now. I'd love to see more and will continue to support. Taking Dana White down while spotlighting these overarching truths is just a bonus. What's even more amazing is that somehow in this entire breakdown you didn't even explain to the uninitiated how Ngannou is one of the most honest and humble men on this planet, not to mention the wild hollywood movie of struggle that was his life before finding mma. Most hate-filled fans don't even know what privilege really IS, let alone realize how their midsets have been completely tainted by a lifetime of it..
Just as it was too early to say whether he had "fumbled the bag" before, it's now far too early to say whether he has "won" or not. For all we know he could flop in boxing / and the PFL, fail to sell many PPVs, and bankrupt the PFL because of his contract. The ramifications of that might only be further concretising the UFC hegemony and make free agency less possible or appealing. I know that's speculation, but it's to say that until I know what he's doing or see some results (including less direct 'results', like how negotiating in the UFC changes or what other free agents do that one could tie to the Ngannou move), I'm still sceptical of it and the jury is still out
Your speculation is just as valuable as anyone else's on the situation, anyone trying to make any definitive statements at this point is definitely doing so prematurely
@@BeigeFrequencyin that case Dana also won and even more. He got rid of a fighter that sold no PPVs, complained a lot and he is still super rich. This is just silly.
@@BeigeFrequency That's a reach. It will be time that tells if he "won". You're doing exactly what you claim the fans do. Calling something prematurely. Getting what you want but showing nothing for it wouldn't be a win. I hope he goes on to be hugely successful and helps to change the game, but I wouldn't put all my eggs in one basket just yet.
@@BeigeFrequency You believe that because it's what you want to believe. What freedom? Didn't he sign a new contract? What about healthcare for the fighters? Izzy and Usman signed long term deals so they lost?
If people stopped trying to make this about Dana VS Francis and looked at it as Expectation VS Reality they'd understand where most of the people saying he fumbled the bag are coming from, but if y'all wanna still pretend like people are taking sides instead of trying to objectively look at the situation by all means. I just hope you stick to your guns with this shit take when it's proven wrong and get back to making your Jon Jones documentary that's way more interesting than any of these videos where we've basically already heard the take from everyone else covering the situation.
The problem is you can't trust what anyone says. Even the fighter. Everyone's got an angle and a desire to look good. Just because Francis says this or that doesn't mean that's how it went down either. Just saying...and I dont want Francis to fail. I'm glad he got his deal and am looking forward to seeing him fight again.
True but I still find myself trusting more of Francis word rather than Dana, someone who has a track record on constantly being dishonest and hilariously flip flops on his word in as little as a day. Also I won't lie the copious amount of comments being completely on Dana's side had me worried
You're dumb as fuck. He's got the contract. PFL has posted about it publicly. It went down like he said. Anyone who said otherwise is lucky that Dana's cock hasn't suffocated them
He’s not won just yet…let’s just wait till he actually gets a fight and the purse he’s being paid for it. If he gets a large purse (even if it’s just one I guess) then sure it can be called a victory. But if he doesn’t get a fight and thus no payment then he is still in the same position as he was as a free agent. We need to wait and see how this turns out…
I'm expecting to see him settle for making a couple million getting knocked out by Anthiny Ruiz, beat Ben Rothwell and a couple of nobodies and then disappear. Which is a shame, he could have had a crazy legacy.
Overall, he’ll be fine financially, but the question is “what could have been?” He could’ve been the greatest heavyweight of all time, if he would’ve knocked out Jon Jones, which is a big if, he would’ve been the biggest superstar in the world. That would’ve been the number one accomplishment he could have ever achieved.
But what's the point if you allow your promoter to fuck you on the deal? NGannou took his stance and struck to his guns. Dana's just mad someone didn't yes-man him. I wish Francis was still in the bigger promotion, but all the more power to him for paving his own path.
@@Batmannerz I’m glad he did his own way too, but headlining that event and beating Jones would’ve gave him more many than the pfl anyways, he would’ve gotten 8 million to show plus PPV.
@@Freemasonshair it isn't strictly about his own money- he won big for fighters in general. If more fighters start to follow in his footsteps and demand better pay and care this moment may end up being more important for the sport than any potential fight with jones would have been.
@@GoldHamSam Really ask yourself this, when will another fighter ever leave a promotion to pursue free agency with as much leverage as Francis did ever again? Why would any other promotion ever meet such ridiculous demands for anyone if they're not walking out of the UFC with the championship belt still draped over their shoulder?
Why don't we just wait until the things play out before declaring anyone 'winning'. We don't even know what the specifics of the deal are. That guaranteed money might be equity in the company or have lots of stipulations on financials. Ariel asked Ngannou when his fight purse was going to be and Ngannou dodged the question as he obviously doesn't know as they need an opponent and some metric of how it will sell. 31:30 The '2 million' bounty is a marketing gimmick at this point. Reporters like John Nash have noted pretty much everyone note worthy is locked up in contract and Ngannou was only able to get out of his contract because of a clause the ufc inserted in 2017 because of the antitrust case. Now after he left (& he was the only active fighter to use the clause) they changed them back to super restrictive. My question is who is Ngannou going to fight that going to draw enough to make up for any PPV. Remember Fedor vs Arlovski did less than 150,000 PPV buys and that was during the red hot PPV era of 2009 when people did not steal PPVs via streams. No other promoption has been able to crack even 200,000 PPV buys in history besides UFC.
This never happened. Francis did lose a ton of money and has made zero changes to the sport. Are you insane? No one even knows where to watch PFL. Holy shit???????
@@flankman9385 that's not the point i was making. I was just talking about the online consensus of hating on him, to praise after the PFL deal. Just look at the comments on this video vs one pre PFL. I agree tho, i have no idea where to watch PFL lmfao
I'm not sure this can honestly be considered a win. At the time when Francis was leaving the UFC he was talking about getting into boxing to fight guys like Tyson Fury or AJ or Wilder for a huge payday of tens of millions of dollars. Now, half a year later, all those talks have completely silenced with nothing at all coming to fruition and with zero prospects of change. Francis is still going to fight in MMA but in a lesser (much lesser) promotion that does not attract even a fraction of public's attention that the UFC does. He also will be fighting much lesser competition which basically nullifies all of his chances of building up some sort of long-living legacy. The reality is that people don't really watch PFL events and one relatively big name (like Ngannou) will hardly be enough to change that dynamic. So with every year Francis spends at PFL he will gradually lose popularity and relevance and with it - any hopes of getting into a big boxing fight against Fury\AJ\Wilder caliber of opponent. Thus I think that with his departure from the UFC Francis did secure himself more money in the short term but - ultimately - he lost big time: in terms of both career prospects and legacy. And subsequently potential money that he might have earned if he stayed in UFC for a longer time and built up a bigger name there. P.S. I think that these days it's very popular among 'hardcore' fans and MMA media to hate on Dana White and the UFC for some of their practicies and decisions and this leads to a clouded judgement. This Ngannou situation looks like a very good example of that.
he doesn’t beat any top boxer and will tarnish his “legacy” trying to chase a payday, and all the “supportive” normie mma fans will be the ones to blame for that. Mark my words.
Can't really say he won when nothing has happened but a contract signing he isn't fighting for a year atleast...no boxing match even rumored...he isn't getting a huge boxing fight without that UFC title bargaining chip..only time will tell if he really won..wish the best for him tho
I mentioned this in the video, but I think it's worth doubling up on because I see so many people overlooking the freedom and flexibility he is getting out of this deal. Even if PFL goes under before Francis can get an MMA fight, he still has the freedom to go where ever he choses afterward. For a guy like Francis, that is probably worth more than whatever the UFC was offering, if it meant being beholden to the UFC and their whims.
Yes but then he's lost valuable time in terms of cementing his legacy. No fighter can afford to sit out for years, besides Jones, and still come back without losing star power.
@@curtisgreen4620 He was also injured, so didn't lose much in the way of valuable time.
I swear I think like a good half of the people here didn't even watch the video and are just going off of whatever Dana "Slap fighting has more engagement than any sport" White is says lol
The amount of straight up pathetic UFC bootlickers really is crazy
@@curtisgreen4620 who gives a shit about legacy? Legacy ain't paying tens of millions of dollars lol
The dick riding is so anti UFC it’s just a meme at this point. Arguing that Francis having freedom and flexibility is more valuable than the fortune he’d make in the UFC is laughable. The equity argument is equally ridiculous, athletes create equity for themselves, and the nonexistent PFL Africa is technically worthless. Maybe you’re saying the freedom to box is what’s most valuable, but no big names are interested. Francis doesn’t seem willing to fight anyone below top level boxers who have nothing to gain from him and because Francis can’t promote a fight to save his life the ppv will likely underperform. Francis is an extremely likable guy with amazing potential and character, but to enable plainly bad business decisions hurt him (the fighter) and us as fans.
"I'm not going to call Jon Jones dishonest, hypocritical, or morally bankrupt. I think his legacy speaks for itself." Goddamn, Beige. I actually winced, then laughed out loud.
thank you beige for keeping Dana's cock out of your mouth unlike 90% of MMA fans
Yeah, well played. That's as classy as you can be while describing Jon accurately
@@rockyevans1584its actually crazy how many people defend Jon simply based on the fact that he is a very good fighter even tho he is a fucking monster to anyone with a solid head on their shoulders
@@illansuu9572 yep, bunch of morons who represent the large percentage of people who barely pay attention. A guy with this much trouble during the prime of his career will likely cause plenty of news during retirement. It's scary, really
@@illansuu9572 "Hes fighting his demons" "They always want to drag a black man down" lol
Something to not underestimate as well is the vice grip that Dana has on the narrative that many fans have. He is basically a separate function of the UFC that fuels so much of the narrative around each fighter, and given how compelling he is many fans just blindly follow his word as law.
That's why I hate ufc now. It's way too much of a hype train with the fans siding blindly with whomever the new marketing ploy is.
They believe he is the ufc and he's the reason it's a success
fr fans think he’s Vince McMahon when he’s really Jack Tunney
It also doesn't help that the average mma fan is just kind of dumb.
@@connieworroll368 Don King ?
I'll never forget the disgust I had when Ciryl Gane, a man whose done nothing controversial and has only focused on becoming a better martial artist, walked out to a stadium of booing while Jon Jones, a heavyweight that beat his fiance in front of his kids, walked out to roaring cheers. It was that moment I knew UFC was dead to me.
Ever heard of Greg Hardy?
Its legitimately disappointing how many people meat ride Jones.
The octagon don't give a shit about morality of a fighter only if they're a good fighter and jones was the better fighter it's not rocket science.
The cheers and boos are in context of competition. Regardless of how I feel about Jones, he's one of the best MMA fighters of all time.
UFC is a fighting competition, not a good guy contest
This video aged well
cant wait for the update
Francis has to wake up first.
It went from "He fumbled the bag" to "its still to early to see if he won yet" even though he got everything he wanted. When a person sets a goal and achieves it then its a win, whether or not the mma community wants to accept it or not .
You’re as delusional as Francis.
@@jl_finesse so beating cain and stipe who are both the two greatest heavyweights ever, arlovski who is a former ufc champ, overeem, a legend, dream and strikeforce former champ is a joke right.
lol cry harder
@@jl_finessedude sounds offended lol y?
Your considered and reasonable evaluation of situations is always pleasantly refreshing. Thank you, Beige.
Video is clearly extremely bias, lol
@@milkweedreflections agreed this is incredibly biased
@@milkweedreflections What is the unbiased take?
@@BeigeFrequency true stoic and beige moment...
@@BeigeFrequency Dana White gave Francis an opportunity and he should therefore be thankful for being paid 10k to fight + 10k for a win. He also should do Powerslap every now and then even if his technique doesn't carry over. Slap athletes are much more advanced!11!
I just genuinely enjoy watching Francis succeed. It's really cool to see. I feel like doing his endeavors carefully and achieving even a marginal amount of what he aimed for cements his legacy as a fighter and as a cultural figure. Even if he isn't held in the public consciousness like a McGregor or Jones or Kimbo, this is bigger than that. He is setting a standard. He got to tell Dana 'no'.
This fact is being overlooked by a lot of people.
@@BeigeFrequency Leaving is one thing. Lots of other fighters have told Dana to shove off before. For him to succeed, AND not fumble the bag, he has to do it all again to a certain degree somewhere else, which he hasn't done yet. If PFL folds and he never has a fight under that promotion is that a success? If he never fights again, or does but gets beat easily is that a success too? Is simply leaving now considered a measure of success? And if so, is that adding to the delusional MMA fan thinking you talked about in the video? Look, people quit their jobs all the time. Repeating what they did, elsewhere, is what makes them a success. I wish him the best. I hope he does it.
heckin redditor level comment
@@BeigeFrequency No it’s not, just a lot of people don’t think a guy with a 1-1 record against stipe and one title defense is justified in his complaints. He released his pay information for his first two UFC fights last week and it was six figures plus for each. Everyone out here acting like he’s been enslaved and telling the master no. He’s not. The UFC has made millionaires out of plenty of fighters and I’d say most of them seem okay with the deal they’ve got. He’s going to a d-league organization with no roster that will not be able to afford one unless Francis has the drawing power of Jon Jones. He doesn’t. It’s likely going to be a sideshow and Francis will fade away. PFL is like the XFL or the ABA. It could be a ploy by PFL ownership to try and get the UFC to buy their promotion.
@teddyjackson1902 a guy who knocked tf out of stipe in the rematch and defended his title with an injured knee is justified in whatever complaints he may have.
Francis won on a personal level, but he will likely be removed from the relevant cultural consciousness outside of hardcore circles within a year. I have a good many friends that i watch fights with. Nearly weekly. None of them could name a current PFL fighter, much less a beltholder. Get that money, Francis, but the reality is that, for the non-hardcore mainstream audience, the UFC IS MMA.
Unfortunately, this is probably true. It's why I said even back in my UFC 270 video that I was hoping that Francis and the UFC could have worked something out.
They only place that brings in casuals like the UFC is OFC. But they got a great social media team and they are in Asia and Westerners love everything East Asian related
One is more known than PFL
Id consider myself a pretty hardcore mma fan and I do not watch the PFL nor do I even know where to watch it
@@zazaza1000 pfl will never be that big. They aren't even at the same level at bellator and One FC
Seeing a new update from you turned around an otherwise miserable day. Thank you for all your work!
Happy to help you
As always, your videos are well worth the wait. We appreciate the thorough analysis with relative objective and nice spots of humor blended in. Excellent work Beige
Beige, In regards to Dana's comment to the PFL burning cash, while that's been the case of many promotions like Affliction and EliteXC, let's not forget that was the case for the UFC as well. They were losing a boatload of money pre-Zuffa, the Fertitta didn't make a profit in the first years following the acquisition of the UFC. While they became a big success, it could've gone the same way as those above mentioned promotions too. Only time will tell about the PFL, but like Luke Thomas said himself, the PFL won't last if they keep doing what they've been doing in the last few years.
This is a solid point.
It seems with fight promotions it's all about risk in the early years, to get interest from fighters and fans and take on the behemoth that is the UFC.
@@Benlikesstuff Like I said, it was the same for the UFC in the early years of the Zuffa era. And let's not forget during that time they had to compete with Pride for fighters.
The difference is the UFC didn't have a juggernaut for competition in the US market. PFL is probably going to fall off I've seen this happen time and time again. Unless some extraordinarily wealthy guy wants to use this as a pet project or it's going to be fueled at some money laundering operation for some type of illegal reason it's not going to be around too far in the future
They literally lost almost 100 mill last year and then gave out a 20 million dollar deal to Francis when the PFL probably hasn't even made that much in profit since they've came back and rebranded Dana had alot of solid points in his argument
MMA fans are not just filled with haters. They’re also the most fickle
Francis used to help my muddah fix her floor boards
Oh chip
She’s a saint on Eart, a very rubenesque woman.
HOLD ON HOLD ON!!
Your muddah was a muddah?
Fawk yeah Chipperson
When the expectation is a super fight with Tyson Fury, and the reality is a PFL contract to fight the guy that got knocked out cold by Jiri Prochaska, it’s a fumble
Just wait till he's selling 1mill ppvs . 😅
@@Clay-ge1fu he sold 300k against the biggest name in the Heavyweight division at the time. Unless Ariel Helwani is gonna buy it 700k times, it ain’t happening
I've never paid for a UFC card (or any sporting event for that matter lol), but I might just buy a PFL PPV. Francis is out there doing good; gotta support that.
Everyone do not forget, Jon is the SAME man that said "We'd be giving him a power and strength advantage over me; it just doesn't make sense." in regards to fighting DC at heavyweight... So what does he think about Francis? Also he didn't go anywhere near HW until Francis was gone
Yes, let's not forget one thing that someone reminded me: Jon signed a new deal recently, and his previous deal was supposed to expire next year according to the contract they started drafting in 2017.
Great to see another Beige video. Keep up the great work, sir.
I LOVE the paintings you do during your breakdowns.
Mate .I don't know what I'm more impressed with - the nuances in the arguments you present, or the nuances in your colour work!
The bandw art you started with was... Ok.
The colour you added, makes it so much richer that it looks like an entirely (infinitely better) picture.
Fantastic sir.
I dunno much about this martial arts stuff but I'm always happy to juice the algorithm for a TH-camr I respect.
Great videos, don’t usually comment but anything to help the channel is good 👍 I always look forward to your stuff
I thought he fumbled it, glad to be shown that I was completely wrong. Seems like a really great guy, and I hope this results in the fighters getting better treatment, insurance, healthcare etc. Getting CTE for peanuts is ridiculous.
And he proved everyone wrong again
I couldn’t help but think your last Francis video before and after the deal was announced. You really hit the nail on the head with that last one. It seems that everyone had written Francis off as “fumbling the bag” except a select few, you included. Anyway just wanted to give you your props. Feed nana
Considering the amount of trauma that getting hit by a guy like Ngannou can cause, I really appreciate how he wants his opponents to get paid a potentially fair amount.
Great video as always Beige. Keep up the great work!
Glad you're back to MMA posting!
It’s always a great evening when Beige posts about MMA. Id love to see this same style of content applied to the No-Gi BJJ scene and in particular the ongoing BTeam and Craig Jones vs New Wave and Gordon Ryan saga - it’s full of drama, passion, steroids, memes, and incredibly high level combat sports
I agree but I like Beige’s O&A/comedy documentaries…. There awesome
@@beandaddydoggratt9714 Yeah. I'm an MMA fan but Beige's non-MMA videos are my favorite.
Him covering BJJ would tank his analytics sooo bad
Except Sport BJJ is literally the most boring thing to anyone who doesn't actually do BJJ.
It's goofy to look at, too much guard playing and guard pulling.
@@DarkMuj have you literally ever watched modern no gi? It’s a ton of wrestling and when people pull guard it usually immediately chains into a leg lock
Edit - seriously go watch a DDS/BTeam/New Wave match. I don’t think it’s possible to watch Gordon Ryan, Garry Tonon or Nicky Rod and find it boring
I literally yelped when is saw beige had a new video up! Freaked out some customers at work but totally worth it
you can't imagine how much i enjoy these types of mma content from your channel in particular, hands down the best! really appreciate the video
So happy for Ngannou. Hopefully PFL goes on to become a bigger name. Damn great video
It won't.
Ppl barely pay for UFC PPVs I doubt if they’ll pay for PFLs ppv
i dont think they'll pay him what they promised but lets see
You can tell Francis is genuinely a good guy. We need more of those in this world we live in today. I hope he gets everything he wants and more from PFL. I know I’ll be watching!
If you think Francis is genuinely a good guy, then you haven't seen enough of him speaking frankly in a language that flows from his lips effortlessly without requiring planning of what he'll say. Francis is genuinely a piece of shit.
I don't even care if he's a good guy or it's just to make money for himself.
The way he let those promoters underestimate him as a big dumb African immigrant, and then make fools out of them, is incredibly impressive.
Compare that to how easily Paddy was seduced by Dana White.
@@VersaceJesus NO ONE "underestimate(d) him as a big dumb African immigrant." That's just you projecting your own editorial bias into your perception of the situation, or you got it from the rhetoric of the Francis side of the drama, weaponizing social issues to try to make a multimillionaire look like a victim because people easily fall for a race hustle false narrative. He was already over of the highest-paid fighters and was offered even more... NOBODY was treating him like Toby (also a fictional character, btw, not historical like people incorrectly think that movie is) and laughing, that's pure false propaganda for PR reasons. Promoters are greedy, but they're not racist xenophobes, and fighters are underpaid in general, but the top ones like Francis most definitely are not, and it's fucking hilarious that multimillionaires have gotten gullible rubes who make 50 to 100k per annum to rabidly scream that it's inequitable for them to make $8mil per fight. LMFAO And all they had to do was wave racial justice tropes in front of their faces and the fools blindly sided with the ultra-wealthy and fought for them as supposed victims, completely ignoring the fighters who actually NEED good base contracts because they haven't been main event fighters yet.
There are plenty of good people in the world today. They're just quiet.
The problem is the loud, manipulative people and the dumb influential people. The internet has caused those two groups to band together.
yeah, african blacks are actually nice and kind people in general, unlike american spoiled ones
There is noway PFL gonna make money whenever Francis will fight. Approx 10million to him and 2 million minimum to his opponent ! Already 12 million burnt and still the whole main, prelims and early prelims(if they do it) are left ! Either other fighters pay will be cut or PFL will be in debt no doubt. PFL will get a reality check when Francis will fight and will fail to draw more than 200k or 300k PPV buys
Dana’s treatment of Stipe will always disgust me. They pushed Francis so hard the first time they fought, just to turn it around on him when he wouldn’t do their bidding as champ
but stipe is getting 2 title fights after 2 ko losses. the ufc favors that man, its his fans painting him as the victim
Francis biggest mistake was thinking that Tyson Fury was serious in fighting him. It was all about boxing. But now its about fighter rights blah, blah, blah.
Hes repeatedly turned down huge sums of money, including from the ufc, because of none financial terms; yet you people still doubt his authenticity and say its all about money. And the freedom to box is a part of fighters rights, if they're really 'independent contractors' they shouldn't be tied down to a promotion as if they're an employee (without any of the benefits of being an employee). Get off danas dick bro.
I was about fighter rights from the beginning too. You know multiple things can be true at the same time, right?
🤡 tyson was serious and you and the rest of the people hating francis are gonna tune in
I LOVE THIS CHANNEL MAN
Francis?
great guy never meddum
He should fight Jon Africa.
got a piece on em too, b. Axe jay.
Always great to hear your perspective.
Love this one. Thanks, Beige
I heard Francis also received a majority ownership in Strikeforce, EliteXC, and Affliction. Let that sink in. His deal is MASSIVE!
Watch him not win a single fight at the new promotion lol
He’s prob only gonna have 1 fight… he’s old with bad knees.. he knows this and was just trying to get his biggest last payday and if he boxes this year which I doubt it’s gonna be against someone like Andy Ruiz 😂
what makes you think that?
@@1975Adamd Andy Ruiz is a beast.
@@SkepticalMantisCHANNEL10 I agree but he won’t get his massive payday fighting him..
Hey algorithm this vid is great and deserves to be shared
I’ve followed this saga every step of the way, yet I still my find myself intrigued listening to Beige. Great storytelling.
Extremely well articulated points in this video!
Beige, I would pay for some of this shit you sketch. Your content keeps me coming back and the sketches are a sweet little cherry on top.
They say white people have no culture try again sweaty
Sweaty cherry
I was just missing those melodious tones enough that I went to your back catalog over the weekend while cutting the grass. Booom!! Here you are again with a new video, keeping me from watching your videos about Amy Schumer again lol. Thanks for all your hard work dude!!
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“You can see people reaching for those grapes, and they’re trying to make their wine, and their wine’s already sounding like a violin with that cheese and wine.”
-Beige Frequency
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@@coreyrapoza5959*Beige Ortizency
Beige for sure gonna outlive his children
Love the videos, been subscribed for years!
Morning Kombat acknowledges your content often! Love your content as well👊👊👊
Its extremely refreshing to see someone have so much to gain and not only worry about themselves..he couldve easily kept making money in ufc getting paid millions while his opponent gets paid a few hundred grand..especially in todays day and age, where everyone only cares about themselves and not caring who they step over...its amazing to see someone sincerely care about their peers and make an attempt at moving not just themselves but everyone forward..ive always been a fan of francis, and im extremely happy and impressed that he succeeded in what he sought after..many others had the potential to change the game for the better of all the fighters but only cared about themselves, so good for him..
Sadly the vast majority was being paid a few thousand. Most of them were struggling to make rent.
PFL will go broke and this will be for nothing and Francis will have wasted the last good years he has, all to own the libs I mean capitalists
Love seeing your uploads in my feed, Beigey boy! Thanks.
MMA guru was so hard pressed on being right about Francis fumbling. Even after he got the money, Guru was trying to argue Francis still fumbled it because of “legacy” reasons. Unbelievable
His legacy is done, no fight in his career will be relevant after this.
@@725k9 his legacy was established and he doesn’t care about the UFC title. He wanted to get respect and get paid on his terms.
@725K Demetrius johnson left the ufc. his legacy is intact. no one really knows who he is fighting now.
fedor never signed with the ufc...also legacy intact.
gegard mousasi, lyota machida, etc...legacies are still intact
Legacy talk is crazy lmaooo legacy not gonna pay his bills. He’s going to be remembered as one of the great KO artist in UFC history. Who cares if he goes and fights bums for the rest of his career. That’s like saying Silva will be forgotten cause he lost a million fights after weidman 😂
@@WtJah you gonna pay to watch him fight nobodies? Also Ngannou said it wasn’t about the money so legacy should be more important
MMA fans at the very least might admit haters are just a part of life but when you say MMA fighters will have haters in their comment section it’s not really a minority either. it’s a plethora of people just hating relentlessly
I feel like people that hate Francis are the same people that meat ride Dana white. Those people are also some of the worst fans the ufc has to offer
I was always rooting for Francis, and was happy when he stuck to his guns with the UFC, honestly I was sad that the UFC could not come to terms, but I am sure they just did not want to set a precedent because you know if they gave into Francis with big things well we have Conor with two fights left on his contract and no Champions clause to keep him so I would not be surprised if he would ask for something similar (Remember he was asking for a stake in the Co not to long ago). So the UFC played the long game with a fighter who has maybe 5 good years left of fighting and possible much less.
It has always been that way with the UFC. They do not want to set a precedent that any fighter is distinct from the UFC. Frankly, I think that is why they have such a hard time building stars, when they have plenty of them in waiting. They're unwilling to give virtually anyone a push because of what it could result in down the road. They want a homogenous UFC product, and I actually think that could end up being their downfall in the future.
I think its way too early to say he won. He's not getting younger, not fighting for another year, and is going into the 3rd best organization (AT BEST). If PFL runs out of cash, he's fucked. And even if it works out, leaving 20+ million on the table with the UFC and the exposure he'd get with it is a lot. I'm glad he got a deal but there's more uncertainty than ever now
Best in terms of competition just to be clear
This deal did seem like a road map and not an actual contract. Francis will not benefit from this deal any time soon, as you said he's not very young, he doesn't have any good potential opponents to sell enough to recoup his cost for the pfl. Pfl Africa might takes years to get going, no real boxing prospects either.
This does seem like a kick the can down the road until we have better news to show.
Define "fucked". Pretty sure dude has more than enough saved to be set for life regardless
@@JK-gm6kk nah, he’s a big spender
@@JK-gm6kk Which is it? Half the people say the UFC was paying him slave wages and he needed to take out loans to train. The other half of people say he's rich already and ready for retirement.
Backed Francis since day one, and Im glad I get to laugh and hate on all the videos that said "Francis Fumbled the bag"
I've went against so many Francis Ngannou haters on Twitter. Even when they were proven wrong, they still double down that Francis f'd up his career.
I see this with Picogram Jones. The ego most people have is baffling to me. Even if this was a terrible deal for PFL and we'll have to wait and see what happens, Francis has won. End of story!
I think its still too early to say, but if francis pulls this off then i'll be super happy for him.
I just hope this doesn't bankrupt PFL. I've very much enjoyed it up until now. How many people are gonna pay for a PPV to see Francis fight anyone on their roster. Unless Jake Paul is attached to it but he's already got the nate fight so I doubt it will be the first one. If the company goes under the "bag" goes with it. That is my worry
@Adam Lauer You must not understand how much money they have time throw around. 20 mil ain't shit to them.
@@IceSick90 we will see, maybe not to the ufc. PFl is already operating at a loss
@@adamlauer1096 "investment" they have more money to throw at.
@@IceSick90 yeah... when you're writing those big ol checks and operating in the red... it runs out
The deal Francis signed is fools’s gold. He’s not going to fight for another year! Who’ll give a crap about him? Who’s going to pay to watch him fight a bum? This will be a bust.
These Francis fans are completely delusional 😅
@@GeneTickles The copium with you morons is so delicious. Keep moving the goalposts when it comes to Francis. You’ve looked stupid this whole entire time and I’m so sure the guys who do this stuff for a living know so much less than the Mean Gene Okerlund cosplayer on TH-cam. Fuck it.
@@GeneTicklesare they really francis fans? They probably never bought his PPVs and never will.
I think they are Dana haters, not Francis fans.
“There’s a really important part you must have missed when reading the Wikipedia page” LMFAO this is the dry humor I watch beige for
Man that’s a great painting, would be dope to get some Beige Frequency poster art.
Great work as always brother. Anytime a mma fighter makes millions is a win for mma. Stay safe everyone
This is only a win if other fighters follow suit and these type of deals become the norm. It’s a long shot but it’s yet to be seen.
More and more fighters will do this!
@@wm_9640 Again, the goal post moves. Now it's only a win if other people follow him lol
@@BeigeFrequency I don't thi k they really need to follow him and they won't. I think this is just a sign of what's to come. Can't wait for the resolution of class actions against the ufc. They can't keep operating like they do. Francis just had the balls to stand up to them. But I think in the near future it's gonna be the norm, not vmbecause fighters will push for it, but because the ufc won't be allowed to run their business like they have for the last 20 years.
@@BeigeFrequency yeah? Right now it’s a win for him. But it’s only a win for MMA if others follow suit. What’s wrong with that?
Being allowed to have huge money fights in boxing sounds all well in good before you realize nobody of name is going to actually fight Francis.
Or if he somehow does get a fight, Francis will be the B-side of the fight and likely get less than he would imagine. Fury opponents made around 5 million or less, Wilder takes most of the money made for his fights like 90-95% of the money generated. So Francis is going to quickly learn he isn't going to cash out I'd he does get a big boxing match.
At this point, I wouldn't doubt Francis. Guy has a knack for doing what everyone says is impossible
Yea this aged poorly
Beige, you are absolutely ON FIRE right now. I'd love to see more and will continue to support. Taking Dana White down while spotlighting these overarching truths is just a bonus. What's even more amazing is that somehow in this entire breakdown you didn't even explain to the uninitiated how Ngannou is one of the most honest and humble men on this planet, not to mention the wild hollywood movie of struggle that was his life before finding mma. Most hate-filled fans don't even know what privilege really IS, let alone realize how their midsets have been completely tainted by a lifetime of it..
Beige… why you make such good content?
I don’t even follow this sport and I watched the whole thing. Strong 8/10 here.
“Reaching for those 🍇s”😂😂😂 I see what you did there
But the wines sounding like a 🎻
Most of us found BF through our mutual distain for the “comedy” musings of a former UFC fighter.
Great work. Didn't know they speek french in Cameroon.
Just as it was too early to say whether he had "fumbled the bag" before, it's now far too early to say whether he has "won" or not. For all we know he could flop in boxing / and the PFL, fail to sell many PPVs, and bankrupt the PFL because of his contract. The ramifications of that might only be further concretising the UFC hegemony and make free agency less possible or appealing. I know that's speculation, but it's to say that until I know what he's doing or see some results (including less direct 'results', like how negotiating in the UFC changes or what other free agents do that one could tie to the Ngannou move), I'm still sceptical of it and the jury is still out
Your speculation is just as valuable as anyone else's on the situation, anyone trying to make any definitive statements at this point is definitely doing so prematurely
Ultimately I believe Francis "Won" because he got the freedom he was asking for.
@@BeigeFrequencyin that case Dana also won and even more.
He got rid of a fighter that sold no PPVs, complained a lot and he is still super rich.
This is just silly.
@@BeigeFrequency That's a reach. It will be time that tells if he "won". You're doing exactly what you claim the fans do. Calling something prematurely. Getting what you want but showing nothing for it wouldn't be a win. I hope he goes on to be hugely successful and helps to change the game, but I wouldn't put all my eggs in one basket just yet.
@@BeigeFrequency You believe that because it's what you want to believe. What freedom? Didn't he sign a new contract? What about healthcare for the fighters? Izzy and Usman signed long term deals so they lost?
Fabulous video as always. Great insights and that Jon Jones legacy comment was hilarious! Thanks Beige!
If people stopped trying to make this about Dana VS Francis and looked at it as Expectation VS Reality they'd understand where most of the people saying he fumbled the bag are coming from, but if y'all wanna still pretend like people are taking sides instead of trying to objectively look at the situation by all means.
I just hope you stick to your guns with this shit take when it's proven wrong and get back to making your Jon Jones documentary that's way more interesting than any of these videos where we've basically already heard the take from everyone else covering the situation.
17:51 I dont watch MMA for that reason despite loving it and growing up in a town who’s national identity is tied to it through Dustin Poirier
The problem is you can't trust what anyone says. Even the fighter. Everyone's got an angle and a desire to look good. Just because Francis says this or that doesn't mean that's how it went down either. Just saying...and I dont want Francis to fail. I'm glad he got his deal and am looking forward to seeing him fight again.
True but I still find myself trusting more of Francis word rather than Dana, someone who has a track record on constantly being dishonest and hilariously flip flops on his word in as little as a day. Also I won't lie the copious amount of comments being completely on Dana's side had me worried
You're dumb as fuck. He's got the contract. PFL has posted about it publicly.
It went down like he said. Anyone who said otherwise is lucky that Dana's cock hasn't suffocated them
Great stuff Beige. Always look forward to your videos.
Sorry but you tripping with this video. I agree with the last 5 minutes but the rest of it is full of holes
Wake up babe, new Beige video just dropped.
Really happy for Francis!
He’s not won just yet…let’s just wait till he actually gets a fight and the purse he’s being paid for it. If he gets a large purse (even if it’s just one I guess) then sure it can be called a victory. But if he doesn’t get a fight and thus no payment then he is still in the same position as he was as a free agent. We need to wait and see how this turns out…
Francis Ngannou vs Ante Delija in 2024 will do insane numbers
I'm expecting to see him settle for making a couple million getting knocked out by Anthiny Ruiz, beat Ben Rothwell and a couple of nobodies and then disappear.
Which is a shame, he could have had a crazy legacy.
He will maybe get 1 mil. sad.
@@daytonax1 this is sarcasm right?
I never comment on videos but ur soo underrated had too. Hope more people find this channel
You the man Beige! I get pumped every time you upload.
Ppl aren’t gonna be anymore interested in PFL cause Francis is there, especially when they know his competitors won’t be same level as UFC
That's the reality of it. PFL Heavyweight is the laughing stock of MMA.
@@DerpRulesAll francis already beat 3 of the top 5 in the ufc. he has proved he could compete.
@@MuhGlassRibs So now we get to see him beat up on third-rate Heavies; _wheeee!_
Overall, he’ll be fine financially, but the question is “what could have been?” He could’ve been the greatest heavyweight of all time, if he would’ve knocked out Jon Jones, which is a big if, he would’ve been the biggest superstar in the world. That would’ve been the number one accomplishment he could have ever achieved.
But what's the point if you allow your promoter to fuck you on the deal? NGannou took his stance and struck to his guns. Dana's just mad someone didn't yes-man him.
I wish Francis was still in the bigger promotion, but all the more power to him for paving his own path.
@@Batmannerz I’m glad he did his own way too, but headlining that event and beating Jones would’ve gave him more many than the pfl anyways, he would’ve gotten 8 million to show plus PPV.
@@Freemasonshair it isn't strictly about his own money- he won big for fighters in general. If more fighters start to follow in his footsteps and demand better pay and care this moment may end up being more important for the sport than any potential fight with jones would have been.
If he can fundamentally change the way fighters are compensated and move Africa into MMA. Then that will be even greater.
@@GoldHamSam Really ask yourself this, when will another fighter ever leave a promotion to pursue free agency with as much leverage as Francis did ever again? Why would any other promotion ever meet such ridiculous demands for anyone if they're not walking out of the UFC with the championship belt still draped over their shoulder?
As always, amazing work!
Are you emotionally invested in the situation? It sounds like you are
Love Beige's videos usually but yes he clearly has a side in this.
It's a good day when beige frequency uploads
Why don't we just wait until the things play out before declaring anyone 'winning'. We don't even know what the specifics of the deal are. That guaranteed money might be equity in the company or have lots of stipulations on financials. Ariel asked Ngannou when his fight purse was going to be and Ngannou dodged the question as he obviously doesn't know as they need an opponent and some metric of how it will sell.
31:30 The '2 million' bounty is a marketing gimmick at this point. Reporters like John Nash have noted pretty much everyone note worthy is locked up in contract and Ngannou was only able to get out of his contract because of a clause the ufc inserted in 2017 because of the antitrust case. Now after he left (& he was the only active fighter to use the clause) they changed them back to super restrictive. My question is who is Ngannou going to fight that going to draw enough to make up for any PPV. Remember Fedor vs Arlovski did less than 150,000 PPV buys and that was during the red hot PPV era of 2009 when people did not steal PPVs via streams. No other promoption has been able to crack even 200,000 PPV buys in history besides UFC.
Im ready to call Jon: who ran over a pregnant woman, fake Christian, Popped Twice, Most fouls in history of the UFC, the Loser.
Why arent you ready?
@@hia5235 You forgot Jon also crashed his car, has a couple DUIs, fired a gun in public, battery for domestic violence and damaging police vehicle.
@@hia5235 I doubt people look for moral guidance from Jones’s actions
@@hia5235 because jon doesn’t win or lose in this situation
When he steps in the ring or cage. I’ll accept I was wrong.
Fair enough
As always, excellent content.
Are you and The Weasle the same person?
This is a random request but PLEASE make another video about quinton reviews. By far my favorite series on this channel
Always glad when I see you upload. Thanks for the goodwork, keep it up
It was both amazing and sad watching everyone go from shitting on francis for, "fumbling the bag", to praising him for, "changing the sport"
This never happened. Francis did lose a ton of money and has made zero changes to the sport. Are you insane? No one even knows where to watch PFL. Holy shit???????
@@flankman9385 that's not the point i was making. I was just talking about the online consensus of hating on him, to praise after the PFL deal. Just look at the comments on this video vs one pre PFL. I agree tho, i have no idea where to watch PFL lmfao
Absolutely stellar video. Keep them coming my dude.
I'm not sure this can honestly be considered a win. At the time when Francis was leaving the UFC he was talking about getting into boxing to fight guys like Tyson Fury or AJ or Wilder for a huge payday of tens of millions of dollars. Now, half a year later, all those talks have completely silenced with nothing at all coming to fruition and with zero prospects of change. Francis is still going to fight in MMA but in a lesser (much lesser) promotion that does not attract even a fraction of public's attention that the UFC does. He also will be fighting much lesser competition which basically nullifies all of his chances of building up some sort of long-living legacy.
The reality is that people don't really watch PFL events and one relatively big name (like Ngannou) will hardly be enough to change that dynamic. So with every year Francis spends at PFL he will gradually lose popularity and relevance and with it - any hopes of getting into a big boxing fight against Fury\AJ\Wilder caliber of opponent.
Thus I think that with his departure from the UFC Francis did secure himself more money in the short term but - ultimately - he lost big time: in terms of both career prospects and legacy. And subsequently potential money that he might have earned if he stayed in UFC for a longer time and built up a bigger name there.
P.S. I think that these days it's very popular among 'hardcore' fans and MMA media to hate on Dana White and the UFC for some of their practicies and decisions and this leads to a clouded judgement. This Ngannou situation looks like a very good example of that.
bro thank you for not blindly agreeing with this obviously bad move
he doesn’t beat any top boxer and will tarnish his “legacy” trying to chase a payday, and all the “supportive” normie mma fans will be the ones to blame for that. Mark my words.
These people, including beige are delusional nerds.
Pretty easy, boxers used him to boost their own bs
@@Willrocs never saw it that way but it makes all the sense in the world
LOTS of time off. Cooling effect. PFL? Won?
Great video!
Can't really say he won when nothing has happened but a contract signing he isn't fighting for a year atleast...no boxing match even rumored...he isn't getting a huge boxing fight without that UFC title bargaining chip..only time will tell if he really won..wish the best for him tho
Thanks for the video Beige, throwing in a comment for the algorithm