i mean... opinions are opinions but jesus... some of that stuff mentioned makes it seem more like a rage bait where people just wanna scream SHUT UP at you and YOU HAVE SHITE TASTE! damn son.... most of the stuff i would criticize where already mentioned in most comments. the one part that is being a payne in the ass is the background music part. but other then that. you spoke your mind. cant say nothing against it.
@Mentelgen "Can't say nothing against it" even though you kinda just did. Rage-bait my @$$, people just can't try to walk in another's shoes and try some understand where they're comming from anymore, can they?
@@ellugerdelacruz2555 you do realize you just played yourself with asking a question. what if i said yes? i mean yea the obvious answer is no depending on what person your asking. But hypothetically what if i didn't call you out on it and actually lied my anus off about some story i made up to prove that yes i can walk on another mans shoes? even if i didn't start this conversation like that. it is indeed possible to walk on another mans shoes the thing is, it just needs time! time to adapt. adapt and overcome! goddamn son! yes i am not mad that you call me out on my bullshit with "Can't say nothing against it" even tho i was trying to be polite but i guess i suck at it since you cant really say: "no offense, but offense!" i am mad because you didn't even try set up a strong defense in an argument! you literally placed a trap behind you so that its easy to shove you into it with asking a question!. look. how about this. i accept the fact that i suck at politeness. but in that exchange you make your point more valid and clear in the future! on the bright side. at least your not one of these scrubs that say who? cares unironically.
@@ellugerdelacruz2555 but the thing is, u can clearly see they're not the same breed of felines. I think that's what us, the guys who thought he's Mitzi's husband, thought of when seeing that portrait
@@ellugerdelacruz2555 Honestly, I watched the pilot before reading the comics and before knowing The painting was of her husband I just thought she was talking to herself-
I think people keep on forgetting that a Pilot is supposed to introduce a watcher to the world the story takes place in, and the characters that live in it. From that perspective, I think it did a good job.
I had no idea what it was about or what was happening? All i got from this was that it's Missisipi and that there's anthro cats. I don't understand it is all
@@coffeecaim2527 it literally said at the beginning that the Prohibition is happening at the beginning of the pilot. To make that make sense, the Prohibition was when Alcohol was illegal in America.
Maybe if it *started* with a black-and-white 1920s exposition screen, it did like at the end of the credits with Mr. Sable, informing the Audience about Atlas May's mysterious murder and that the Lackadaisy is now on hard times, then it would've been more perfect. Afterwards, you could then cut to the opening scene of Rocky on the bridge with maybe a small text in the corner saying "several months later" or something. The common complaint that many people had is that they had *zero* idea what the plot was before seeing Mitzy May talk to Atlas' painting and seeing how almost empty the speakeasy was. Bottomline, this guy had some legit valid criticism. To me at least, a "perfect" pilot has to not only give you a taste of the setting and characters but also telegraph what the story is. For all my disdain for Hazbin Hotel and how much I think Lackadaisy *towers* over it, the Hazbin Pilot at least told me what the main character's goals were. If I never read the webcomic I would've been totally in the dark. So can you really blame this guy?
Disappointing? You wait almost 20 years for a pilot and you find it disappointing? Every single sketchy frame was beautiful and every bit of awkward dialogue was magic. I love this so much.
@@box2365 Ok, just, what? No. Every point made in this video can be summed up as "it didn't have this" absent of context, like shows and art should be made to the criteria of some sort of checklist. Who cares what genre you can classify something in? How can you just assume something like the lack of music was an oversight and not intentional, or just something the creator decided not to do? The video maker is entitled to think and view anything however he sees fit, but his points do not stand up to scrutiny. This video is just a list of "But I wish they had this" and given you provide no points of your own its safe to assume your just a follower. People on the internet love to be contrarians and that's what this is
@@box2365 Lol you see thats the thing. Thats 1. not what you said in the video, and 2. Has nothing to do with what I said. You of course were betting on that premise for anyone who disagreed. That the only reason I contest your point is because you have a different opinion, but that clearly isn't the case. I made my counter criticism to your point. You either didn't see them or you're willfully ignoring them because you don't have a point. The points you made are either matters of directive choice or irrelevant. What does it matter what genre a show fits into? What does this pilot do that a dozen other pilots don't when it comes to making introductions?
@@box2365 You're just repeating the same nonsense defence despite it having nothing to do with my points, which you seem to be purposefully ignoring. No one said this shouldn't be critiqued and I think you know that. You're hiding behind that defense because that's what you anticipated when you made it against something popular. If this was a misunderstanding stemming from me disagree with you without backing I would understand, but I specified what in your review I tool issue with.
@@box2365As you said, nothing is above critique, and that includes your comment. Telling someone to ''move on'' and accept it is instantly contradictory. Yes, it's his opinion, but many of his points were just him not having read the comic (whether be post or pre-pilot release), pretending the web comic never existed and completely forgetting the purpose of a pilot episode. This can be seen when he points out rocky's ''sudden'' taste for explosives and circus stuff, which can be explained by the comic itself, that shows us that rocky used to work on a circus. And even though its a mere personal opinion, it can have a huge impact on those who aren't up to date with the project but ARE willing to know more about it. So i still don't understand the purpose of this critique that summarizes on the points being ''i don't know'' ''maybe'' ''personally'' and this content creator having no idea of what he's talking about for 13 minutes straight.
@@box2365 It's a point that is being pointed out by MOST of the comments, but it seems you're pretty good at purposefully ignoring stuff from what i saw from your discussion with Whisp, so i really needed to point it out for you
This is just my own personal understanding, but I think the point of a pilot is meant to give a quick impression of a show's tone, how the story might play out, and how the characters are meant to act. And I personally feel this pilot does a pretty good job at that, I was able to understand who the characters were, and their dynamics, at least on a basic level. With most pilots, there just isn't enough time to go into detail about the backstories of the characters and world, that's what later episodes are for, pilots are more like glorified commercials in order to get the show running. Plus, the pilot did inspire me to read the entire web-comic, the side comics, and even read up on the wiki to fill in the gaps, something I wouldn't have done if it weren't for the pilot.
That's the exact point of a pilot. This person just wanted Lackadaisy to fit to their standards and not what the creator wanted or the general rule of thumb for a show pilot.
The tone that it presents based on just kinda presumption isn't met. You have to kind of meet a bit of the stereotypical expectations, even if you're trying to be different, just to kinda' sell your product, and it doesn't meet it. It did not meet my expectations for a modern take on 20's gangsters. Its slow and boring.
It’s a pilot. It’s supposed to pitch a story to new viewers, and it pitches it well. I wasn’t over the moon (personally not my thing) but there was nothing disappointing about it, it was incredible.
It's called "having a personal opinion" I swear, why can't people just accept that others won't always like the same thing as much as they do? Isa lei, turaga. 🫤
The animated film is supposed to be “lacking” its not canon and its supposed to get you to read the comics. Also, 30 minutes of hand drawn animation pretty badass
@@ellugerdelacruz2555 it says pilot meaning at some point the creator is probably trying to get picked up by a major network or streaming service, if thats the case i imagine if this gets made intj a show the comics and the show will be two separate continuities. So its not really that its not cannon its its own cannon Kinda like how dragon ball super anime and manga have enough differences to be their own cannons
@@bungiecrimes7247 well i didnt ask. Its a fun animation that they made to get noticed by a studio for a possible series. I dont care if you dont have thhe attention span to read a comic
It was all hand drawn? How does that work? I’m super curious, it sounds really cool. But how does that work? Do they just take a picture for every frame on a paper?
Honestly, this show being ‘lacking’ is what got me into lackadaisy? I watched it like a day after release and really liked it, but I didn’t have much information on the characters and the world, so I headed over to the actual comics(and read the entire thing in like 3-4 days). If it weren’t for the animated film being the way it is, I probably wouldn’t have been intrigued and curious enough to read the webcomic.
I'm not even a fan, it was just recommended by youtube to me the other day. There's nothing lacking about a well-drawn, well-acted, well-paced independent cartoon pilot.
@@AbimaelLopez-hz3qq. No, just liked the pilot. Besides, do I really have to? A lot of nerd properties make the mistake of basically making franchise knowledge madatory, in order for someone to enjoy it. That's why I love Batman the brave and the bold, it's a love letter to the wildly inconsistent silver age from all it's goofy concepts and serious stories, but you're not required to know comics history to have a good time, it's a rollercoaster ride, where even the most harrowing spikes aren't enough to make you hurl, and wanna get off! Don't you agree?
While I respect your thoughts on the pilot, I do have to disagree with some things. Rocky has an eccentric, imaginative and theatrical personality. This is well established with the first few minutes, where the bridge, the city, and the Mississippi are completely transformed and given new life in his eyes. His unhinged explosions-with-a-poem moment simply shows the other side to his nature. I also really have to appreciate the parallels between that and the starting scene, as both are accompanied by a spontaneous series of rhymes from Rocky. He has an imagination and an air of theatrics, and sometimes that is a good thing, and sometimes that is a bad thing for everyone around him lol. Whatever makes him and Freckles 'tick,' it's clear that where Freckles tries to supress it, Rocky embraces it wholeheartedly. Personally I enjoyed Ivy as well. She's a plucky, resourceful, and adventurous grease monkey, but when violence comes into the picture it's a little more than she signed up for. You would have thought that *she* would be the 'quirky' character with no sense of self preservation trope, but I found it refreshing that she has her limits, and Rocky's the one who doesn't. This is more a difference of personal preference but I disagree with Freckles being a tired trope. The "nervous straight-man" archetype has been around for a *while.* This past era of animation has shown a trend of giving this kind of character a more centric role in casts, sure, but these shows are not always going to appeal to the exact same person. I had watched and enjoyed Gravity Falls, but I don't follow Helluva Boss. Nor do I even recognize the other character image you show around 9:27. What's old to some may be refreshing to others. And considering Freckles was a character from as early as 2006(?) maybe it's not entirely fair to judge him for having similarities to other characters we know of. Another difference in subjective taste, but I don't think it's a bad thing when a show can't be pigeon holed into one or two specific genres. If I had to give Lackadaisy one though, I'd probably say "Inconvenient Adventure" with a side of dramedy and a hefty helping of Aesthetic. Or better yet, just "Slice of Life in a Wild Time," maybe. Granted I haven't read any of the comics, myself, and just know the bare bones contextual info surrounding the pilot, but I think it's a pretty good guess lol. After meeting the characters and the colorful world they live in, I'd be sad to see it reduced to a Noir-esque theme. Again-- I'm just going off of the pilot, though I am interested in checking out the comic at some point. Variety is the spice of life and I do respect you sharing critique and criticism for the show. I just can't ascribe to it, myself.
Adding on to the Murder Drones comments- as a fan, I can say that… I don’t even think that N fits the trope? He gets Anxious when his friends are about to be potentially get hurt, yes, but that’s only whenever there’s… a very obvious threat directly in front of them. He’s more of the kind-of-idiotic funny side character, in my opinion. Sorry for the ramble but I’m very hyperfixated on Murder Drones at the moment- Also I agree with the person above, Murder Drones is great but some of the humour (especially in the pilot) is a bit grating. It absolutely finds its footing by the third episode though
@@misterperson6999 Agreed! (I’m also a big fan of the fourth episode though, but that’s mostly because whatever was going on with Uzi in that one is one of my favourite tropes. Somehow. It’s a little specific)
"This crazy character trait really comes out of nowhere." Was that just a poor attempt at a joke or are you just that blind, deaf, and dim?! The episode literally began with this lunatic dancing around loudly without a care in the world on a bridge in front of an oncoming train while he is supposed to be serving as the lookout on a stealth mission to retrieve illegal contraband. How could this possibly be ignored as foreshadowing that he might be a bit unhinged?!!! You can see and hear the train coming the entire time.
It's a pilot though, meaning a lot of plot holes will be filled when more episodes come out. It's supposed to be lacking in information as a cliffhanger so people come back when episode 1 drops. Judging a pilot episode on lack of information is kind of unfair when you consider that the pilot is supposed to be an ad not a season.
@@sourlabbecause if someone just said "lackadaisy is lacking" without further explanation, I'm sure people would be pretty upset about that. Arguing that if you're going to make a claim, you should give a good reason for the claim you made.
The reason Rocky goes crazy is because he’s fucking with Wicks construction site or whatever the hell it is. He really doesn’t like Wick, but you’d have to read the comic to know that so I kinda see your point there.
I'm a newcomer to this series, and I just have some things to say. To be fair, a pilot is just that- a pilot. It's not supposed to dive deep into the world, it's just trying to showcase as much as they could about a a world that's (obviously) much more complicated what we're shown. Also... About the "Rocky going wild about explosives" think does actually make sense within the context of the short. as shown at the very start, he sees things in a very different light from others. So him seeing explosives and a carnival funhouse isn't exactly off brand for him. Besides that, while it's fine to think the short is "lacking," I feel that it's a bit cruel to label it as such, as it's not a complete story. It's just a taste of what is to come. It sucks that you can't enjoy it like others can.
I find the lack of background music one of the show's best attributes, it makes the sound design pop and you don't even notice when its first added. It makes it feel much more real
you can have constructive criticism but i really don't fuck with the click bait-y title that seems like it's meant to slander a beautifully made independent animation that took years of work
@@box2365 the person is talking about the thunbnail, the dude in the video said he isnt dissapointed but yet he said the animation is a big dissapointment
Friendly correction: I believe my final words were “lackadaisy has my full respect and admiration, but I just can't say that I'm not disappointed” My thumbnail headlines will always reflect my views in some way.
Beyond how much more ugly the animated character designs are compared to the original comic, most commenters here don't seem to be taking into account that this entire project was only revealed to be a pilot for a potential show -the day it released-. Tracy and company previously stated it was only a short film for years, and that it would ultimately not impact the completion of the actual core comic. This, obviously, has turned out to be a complete lie, and I would wager (in a manner not dissimilar to fellow webcomic Homestuck) that the comic will be abandoned entirely or greatly reduced in quality should it be completed.
As a fan of the comic from almost the first day, it's entirely understandable to see this through the eyes of a newcomer. The comic does a much, much, much better job of introducing the characters, their relationships and interactions, and their backstories. For clarification, the painting is of Mitzi's recently-deceased husband Atlas. Wick isn't a politician, he's the owner of the quarry (which is why he was concerned about the dynamite) and Mitzi's current suitor. In fairness to the characters, Nico and Serafine don't really have much development in the comics either, and Mordecai is pretty much the breakout fan-favorite of the series. Although it's not fair to compare Freckle's personality to characters who were created a decade after the comic debuted, I can understand the sentiment. And Rocky really is an over-exaggeration of the character from the comics. Overall, I enjoyed it, but I can agree that it is heavy on fanservice and not the best at setting up the plot and characters for newcomers.
@@corvus2327 It was *huge* in 2006-2007, but as Tracy made each panel more realistic, the update pace became glacial and the hype died down after a couple years
while I can understand some of your points and am grateful you agree the show deserves positive attention, it's clear you haven't done that much research. for your first point, that being the plot and genre, they've have already been established since around 2006 when the lackadaisy comic first started. the plot of the show will be roughly the same as the comic, but told in a different perspective. as for genre, the show will most likely be an action drama with strong elements of comedy for your second point, the characters, it is absolutely subjective in some ways, but you also get some obvious facts wrong. the guy in the painting that mitzi talks to his her dead husband, who owned the speakeasy and kept it thriving before he died. your point on freckle being an overdone character template is also funny since he's been written that way since 2006. also yes, mordecai used to work for lackadaisy before switching over to one of their competitors, and no, the savoy siblings are more than a minor threat, and they will not become supporting characters. I personally love all of the characters, and I think at least some of them would grow on you more if you read the comic - which by now, over a year later, I'd hope you've at least skimmed through it. for your third point, the lack of music, it's also subject, and not at all an "oversight". music is played when it needs to be played, and I personally love the way it was used. you can't call it an oversight when it was literally produced specifically for the show. in conclusion, I think some of your opinions would have been changed if you looked at the pilot from a different perspective, and did your research on the comic. like I said before, I am glad that you fully support the pilot and encourage others to check it out. EDIT: having listened to your "fixed" version with music, I think it's horrid and ruins most scenes.
It's a pilot... and here we are analysing it as if the whole series has been out. It's honestly looking extremely good and is merely meant to be an introduction, you want answers or a more clear in depth look at the characters with proper explanations then either stay tuned or read the comics, dont expect them to lay all their cards on the table yet.
Here's the thing, I admit I needed to read the webtoons to fully understand and appreciate the characters, their motives and backstory. And... I was okay with that. For me, the pilot helped bring in a whole swarm of people who haven't heard of this comic before despite being a thing since 2006, and for me that was more than okay. Sure, after binging the comics, reading little details and news and catching up on the wikis, this pilot probably is 'lacking' for long term fans expecting an actual show. But for what it did end up becoming, a huge marketing tool that brought in new fans, it worked really well. I got invested in the world, the story, and now am even more excited for future episodes/comic updates. It kinda gives off the vibes of Balan's Wonderworld where you NEEDED the book in order to understand the video game. Terrible comparison, considering how great Lackadaisy's story and world building is, but it is the same principle. That's not bad necessarily, but first impressions can be not the best with that sort of storytelling. My friend, when I showed him this pilot, was the same way in terms of frustration over understanding what the plot was, and didn't enjoy it until I showed him the comics and explained the story more. Then he actually got invested in it. All in all, a pretty fair review, I respect your honest thoughts during the overwhelming praise it is receiving.
@@bi_standr Crazy to think what other things were around before we were born. I’m really into classical rock and other things from that time period, my father was in his early teens listening to that stuff he’s 51 now.
I hadn't seen the webcomic or heard of Lackadaisy before the pilot was reccommended to me. I don't like Anthro characters and I really didn't expect to like this. I was drawn in by the animation, they could give Disney a ruin for their money any day. Overrall I think it's actually a very good pilot. The action was good and for the number of characters introduced they had enough moments to start showing what they're about, you cannot expect character development in a pilot, think Bojack Horseman and how one dimentional the characters seem in the first episode. A pilots job is to be a taster and encourage you to try more. Which Lackadaisy suceeded in for me, I went to read the comics and wow, they are well written characters, Vivziepop could take writing lessons from Lackadaisy. Maybe they should have included the part about it taking place during prohibition at the start of the pilot, I didn't have an issue realising this as it's pretty obvious given the clothing/speech/whisky in the opening minutes but I'll blame the terrible American school system for the number of people that didn't understand that part, even though that's fairly recent history for your country. I will also disagree with the sound design. Not every scene needs music especially if your sound design is good, I watched your video with music added and sorry, they're much worse with music.
ok bro imma come out and say it. You're cooking. I completely agree with you. You aren't even that biased or nasty when making very valid and reasonable observations. I'm shocked by how mad people are getting about this lol
As a newcomer to Lackadaisy I immediently looked up the comics after seeing the pilot and then watched the pilot again after reading. What became immediently clear is that is likely what the creators intended for the pilot to do, bring more reader and fans to a decade running comic. The pilot is great upon first viewing but greatly awards viewers who are familiar with the comic, the combination of which l see as very promising grounds for a full television series. The pilot certainly had is flaws but it did what I believe it was intended to do, make a compelling argument to fund an independent series based on this story, and show what such a series could look like. And as time goes on, I can definetly see more creators taking a similar route to draw in a dedicated fan base in order to fund series.
the fact ur calling it "dissapointing" just bc its not 100% perfect even tho its an INDIE SERIES is baffling me LMFAOOO?? also most points u brought up isnt even ,, that big of a deal? i respect ur opinion but i find it very stupid how ur making it seem like the entire pilot is awful bc of a few things that could've been better 😭
To be honest, I've never watched the series mentioned at 9:45 (but I know them by shorts and memes) and as a fan of the action and humor comics - I cannot stop learning how this film has been made by watching it every time, again and again. I really like how they use scratch, smooth 3D integrations, voice acting and ambience effects. I do agree the film is lacking in music (I'm going to watch your Music video too, just must have to) and most of the explanations for the characters seems to be lost... But for the last one I also can say this is good enough for demo/pilot comic-film (even if it comic-based) and hope it is going to continue instead of dying. In the end, I had never heard of Lackadaisy before the film's release, so even when I saw teaser-shorts on YT where the main characters were digging a grave really thought like "why this recommended to me? what all of this would mean for me not to black list this... something? I even donno". And now I'm going to read the original Lackadaisy because of the film. I think this is actually a success. Thanks for the video.
This genre is historic, since Rocky and Calvin (Freckle) are cousins yeah they are both very feral cats Freckle’s chaotic side was developing since his survival of childhood with Rocky was scary and joined the police but his chaos side came to when a shooting practice, Rocky’s parents are no where to be found in the comics and lives with his Aunt (Nina) and cousin Freckle. Ivy was the one that started crushing on Freckle in the comics and their actually a couple from Ivy’s perspective, and a rising couple from Freckle’s perspective. Ivy’s godfather, father, uncle or something is I think the person who owned the little daisy dinner I think cause I never payed attention to Ivy’s relationships :|. Viktor used to be partners or maybe still are partners with Mordecai and points to why he lost his eye in one of their missions. Atlas May is the founder of Lackadaisy and dead husband of Mitzi, so Mitzi’s a widow but has been getting together with Wick and Rocky also likes Mitzi or maybe overprotective over Mitzi which is why he doesn’t like Wick. There doesn’t have to always be music, but it costed money for the music (I think). A pilot means to try to make people enjoy a new series and fitting the concept of the show to see if they can continue the project or not. And fitting the lore of each character and make a small story of what some of the show is about means making the pilot longer. Also yes this is gonna be your most least liked video 😭.
Dude, im aware this is simply your opinion, but things you point out as making the episode "Disappointing" is just extreme nitpicking and some questions are answered in episode so it feels like you're judging based on little things that bothered you. and then judge the show for not answering questions that they either just got done answering or plan on answering through context later in the episode . Also you've never heard of the name "Mordecai"? Regular Show fans would be so pissed if they heard that. That is a household name by this point.
Honestly can't knock you for your take. Seems like the style of storytelling didn't gel with you, which is 100% fine. I personally like the lack of background music as it gives the sound design a lot of room to breathe, and the few scenes where it is present feel carefully considered and well-used to me. I absolutely love Rocky, Freckle, and Ivy's characterization, and Rocky being an unhinged pyromaniac feels like it's introduced naturally. I agree it's pretty sudden and jarring, but I kinda feel like that's the point: his switch gets flipped and he goes insane at the drop of a hat, which feels in-line with his very 'do whatever I want whenever I want' attitude that we get introduced to when he's failing to be an effective lookout at the very start. All of that worked for me, but that sorta stuff is subjective and can't be considered universal. I'm also a fan of the less-defined genre as well. I'm not a big fan of 'genre' as some sort of metric for quality myself, and I rather enjoy properties that skew or mess around with it. If this series continues (which is not actually guaranteed at the moment), it will probably fall more into the drama side of things (the source material is somewhat action-heavy, but mostly focused on the politicking and maneuvering between rival gangs and speakeasies), but having those flashes of intense action and rather goofy characters who don't take dangerous situations very seriously keeps it from feeling like it's stuck in a rut and beholden to 'fitting into a genre'. Again, this is a personal thing: Real life can swap from uproariously funny to down-in-the-dumps to urgent and tense at the drop of a hat, and I enjoy stories that can mirror that sort of contrast. A little bit of emotional whiplash can actually be a good thing to help a story feel real and grounded, which I think really smooths out the sort of over-the-top antics we see in this pilot episode. All that said, your takes are not unreasonable: you just didn't vibe with the series, and you can articulate the reasons for why it didn't land with you. No reason to get bent out of shape over that.
IDK man, with sound design like that who needs music to tell you how to feel. As the audience, I'm happy they took the time to not belittle us with music where it's not needed.
I think the term you're looking for in the off the nose story is "in medias res" as it *is* a Pilot that throws you into this world of interesting characters that *if* you get attached to, there's (hopefully) a whole series coming up out of it. It has gotten the attention of the people who seek this kind of entertainment medium. It doesn't have to be in your face about things, nor properly convey whatever expectations you have. Say, if someone is looking for a witty, high paced and hilarious yet still cutely animated with heart show, Helluva Boss is their kind of thing. The "lacking" part of Lackadaisy as you described is just part of what the experience is like. Granted, there have been overly positive views on it that some might not share given how deeply some people and you have looked into it, but I just have to say that if we tried to critize everything heavily on "what ifs" and "it should have this or that" I don't think that Art and Animation would even be a thing anymore, let alone Storytelling amongst all things. Some of y'all just need to calm down, these fun animated projects are just that : Fun! Percieve it that way, and either move on or go with the flow. That, is art. Or what it should be, anyway...
For me the lack of background music isn't a problem, in fact I actually noticed it on my fisrt watch and really liked the quiet. And I really liked the chase scene music, I had no problem with it. For your other opinions, I can't really argue with them, I read the comic so I know all the characters pretty well and had no problem with the pilot. But I can see why someone who hasn't read the comic might get confused.
The main thing that I personally wish the pilot went into more is the actual possible plot/concept of what the show could be about and what we can expect plus the possible problems. I have never read the comics nor even heard of it before the pilot so I couldnt really get into this since I had no idea what was going on. Thats not good unless the pilot's intent was to just be official content for the already established fans. People who know whats going on. People who can probably pick on on smaller details and elements that can be used for the plot, simce they already have a feel for the content.
Everyone needs to chill... This guy has some legit necessary criticism. Maybe if it *started* with a black-and-white 1920s exposition screen (it did like at the end of the credits with Mr. Sable) informing the Audience about Atlas May's mysterious murder and that the Lackadaisy is now on hard times, then it would've been more perfect. Afterwards, you could then cut to the opening scene of Rocky on the bridge with maybe a small text in the corner saying "several months later" or something. The common complaint that many people had is that they had *zero* idea what the plot was before seeing Mitzy May talk to Atlas' painting and seeing how almost empty the speakeasy was. Bottomline, this guy had some legit valid criticism. To me at least, a "perfect" pilot has to not only give you a taste of the setting and characters but also telegraph what the story is. For all my disdain for Hazbin Hotel and how much I think Lackadaisy *towers* over it, the Hazbin Pilot at least told me what the main character's goals were. If I never read the webcomic I would've been totally in the dark about most of the characters' motivations and reasons for being. So can you really blame this guy?
I understand your points and opinion, but it is only a pilot, like a sample per say. There are going to be missing parts to it because its to hook people in to stay tuned till its first episode comes out. And if you had read the comics Im sure it’d help you out with the sudden change in both Freckle’s and Rocky’s personality in the pilot, as the comic takes place before the pilot’s time period. Although there are little to no music, Im sure in the soon to be episodes will have much more music than its pilot. But I appreciate that you decided to edit in some music to give the moment a spark!
Gotta personally disagree with your critiques. First off for Rocky; I think the beginning perfectly encapsulated and showed that there was something wrong with him. I've never seen the webcomic but from the first scenes with him, I could tell something was off. It was like his mannerism, his aloofness, nonchalantness and just general 'all smiles' persona was put on to cover something up. When he switched, I felt I understood him more and it felt natural. The stress/excitement of almost being killed made his usually bottled up manic side spring out and take over for a little bit. Same goes with Freckles, tries to be quiet and careful but (I think its a really nice touch they made him a tiger) when given a weapon, that rage/fighting spirit leaps out and starts taking over. The switches made sense and I absolutely adored how the show just 'show and don't tell'. It makes me feel that the pilot respected me as a viewer to notice the hints IMO. As for your critique of the numerous characters shown off not leaving an impression on you, I'll have to disagree with that too. Though that is also down to personal opinions and I felt that all the characters introduced had their own unique quirks and special personalities to boot. As for your critique on no background music, that is a very weird one for me. Like, not everything needs background music? I do not believe its an oversight and the places where there was music, the music hit excellently. You don't need sad music over a sad scene to make it sad, it'll be sad regardless of music. Background music isn't necessary when the sound design is as on point as it is in Lackadaisy imo.
Hey, I am glad that you recognize the beautiful animation! And sometimes some people don’t like some things that people make, it can be respected but sometimes it’s just not for them. For me it’s stuff like adventure time, genshin impact, and others. They are honestly all really well made and beautiful but it’s just something about it that doesn’t Interest me. I only don’t like these kinds of videos if all the person does just says it sucks. I am happy that you included the good and the bad! 😊
I love the pilot but I do agree, Something about the pilot that can affect it in a bad or good way is having read the comic or not, Which can make some stuff not make any sense if you haven't read it but the good thing is it introduces new people to lackadaisy. But if you have read it you already know how the character's have developed and their backstory's. overall good video keep up the good work😁👍
This video really nailed it on the head for me tbh. I was trying to put into words why it felt lacking, and this really succeeded in that. I didn't even notice the obvious lack of background music somehow, but now that you mention it, that really is the worst part. The characters also didn't really click with me except for Ivy, because every other performance kinda felt a bit forced and sometimes the voice acting certainly came off as the "TH-camr who was told they were good at voice acting one too many times" trope. Especially Rocky, I just couldn't stand his character at all, and I found myself curled up in a ball of cringe whenever he was on screen. I feel as though Michael was way better with Angel Dust. Maybe I need to rewatch it a few more times, but this video was really good at voicing some valid criticisms with the pilot. It wasn't the story that struggled or the dynamic between the characters and especially not the gorgeous animation, but there were a lot of individual issues that really made the water drain from the cup before it got the chance to hold any and become deeply enjoyable.
I do have to say that when it comes to most of these characters there are fandubs whose voices I very much prefer, and whose overall performance feels more like a character and less like someone performing a character (if that makes any sense, I'm not sure it does). The exception, of course, is Mordecai, who honestly should sound like a "TH-camr who was told they were good at voice acting one too many times" since he's (in-universe) voice acting whenever he talks (according to his creator, Mordecai deliberately suppresses his original accent and affects an artificial elocution).
I remember watching this blind not knowing anything of the show or characters; and it just wasn't my cup of tea... I didn't really like the plot or characters that much and felt mostly confused or at times even bored, it's alright if others have different opinions and if they enjoy it, that's fine... but I didn't really connect with it like others did which makes me feel kinda feel left out but whatever.
4:37 Genre is just a label for comparison and categorization. While there is usually nothing wrong with falling within a pre-established genre, you will see the term "genre-defying" being used as a compliment. A piece of media that isn't afraid to cross over or break out of the usual boundaries of genre can be done well or poorly, but will almost always be memorable. 4:48 "This lack of concrete direction makes it hard to pinpoint who the show is for." It is _for_ anyone who watched it and enjoyed it. Just because Sesame Street is intended _for_ kids doesn't mean I don't adore the Martians. Just because Metal is intended _for_ metalheads doesn't mean I don't enjoy it. Art is _for_ everybody. While one can speak in general truisms of "I like romance" or "I like settings with magic in them," intentionally constraining oneself to pre-established categories would horrifically restrict what one experiences. The webcomic and pilot are _for_ anyone willing to give them a try. "If you were tasked with describing the show to someone, what would you say outside of it taking place during prohibition, and everyone is a cat." What else do I need to say!? If that sounds interesting to my friends, they'll check it out. If they want to know more, I can mention that it's indie, that it's hand-animated, that it's based on a webcomic, etc. Heck, just saying "Hey, check this thing out I thought it was really cool," is enough between me and my friends, we trust each other's judgment on what is of good quality and each other's assessment on what we would enjoy.
Yes. God-forbid someone make a piece of art, a method of which one expresses their own personal unique experiences, that defies artificially made boxes made by other people. All the other criticisms are valid and falls under personal taste but the genre one's just so dumb. Basically telling artists to limit themselves as to conform to strict genre standards so they could be more marketable. Which I feel like should be a critique of the market instead, not the artists that make the products.
I hate people who make thumbnails like this just for clickbait and it's straight up rude. If you want to make a video that has critique, Say that it's simply a critique video, not straight up "this is disappointing" Because it really wasn't. It's supposed to make you want to learn more about the characters and interested in reading the comic. Not all shows need to introduce characters straight up, heck this was just a Pilot anyways- key word "Pilot" It isn't really an episode, it's just supposed to make you interested like I already said. Also, not all shows need music to be blasted anyways, the music in the Pilot was good enough to begin with, wasn't too loud and it wasn't too quiet.
I honestly agree whit the guy who made the video. And what you mean the title is clickbait, he told why he felt disappointed explaining quite well all the motives. I honestly think that this wasn’t a very good pilot episode either, because a pilot episode like you said is supposed to make you interested; but since this episode was so elusive and messy it didn’t. The lack of development it’s very tangible and it really seems like the developers made this pilot only for the fans. I literally had no idea this is from a web comic, and whit out this video and it’s comments I never would have. And also nobody said that a show needs “to be blasted” whit music. All he was saying is that the pilot episode was really lacking a soundtrack which gave a deep sense of emptiness to the scenes. And I’m sure neither you can’t deny that music it’s very important; it doesn’t have to be there constantly, but when there isn’t any it’s a problem too.
I really dont agree with most of the points tbh. 1) 4:48 The series will most likely end up being a thriller. I can see it played out much like later season of for example Breaking Bad where we follow the characters as they struggle with keeping the business running aswell as dealing with "the bad guys" 2) 5:30 Rocky was already unhinged practically from the beggining. He has the bug maniacal grin looking at the whiskey filled coffin and when crashin into the quary. He also doesnt go full on joker until he gets on the excavator with the explosives. I also dont think he HALLUCINATED the explosives storage being a circus. I think that was just a metaphor 3) 6:05 Freckle was VERY clearly unhinged. He is very reluctant to pick up the gun, he looks at it undecisivelly, has the little weird look in the beggining and Rocky falling off the car was a very good way to kind of show Freckle being pushed into doing it. 4) 8:00 Mordecai is clearly either not in the same gang or more likely never been with specifically them. Serafine says "You dont like how we play?" But also "Can let the competition go unchecked" which to me suggests Mordecai is part of the same organization or crime sindicate as them, but doesnt necessarily work with them or patrols or whatever it is they are doing. They are just clearly "generic" henchmen 5) 10:00 This is DEFENETLY what I disagree with the most. So many great shows dont need music to convey emotion. Also, the music you added in that video, in my opinion, actively makes the scene WORSE. Especially the first scene. Its completely unnecessary and completely destroys the atmosphere
Yeah, I have to agree. I'm very happy the pilot is getting a lot of attention and praise and hope they get to make more of the show, but the pilot didn't leave much of an impression on me. Maybe it's because I'm judging it more as an "episode 1" rather than the pilot that it is, but not much really happens considering the length of the pilot. Characters are the life blood of every story and I feel like the pilot focused way too much on ambience and action over actually introducing the characters you're supposed to follow and fall in love with during the journey. Ambience can only go so far and I'm not personally interested in any action that involves characters I'm not already invested in. Heck, just looking at the very start of the episode, 2 minutes are immediately wasted imo with a song that doesn't really tell me anything of importance.
i kinda agree as a comic reader. Rocky is maybe the best-written character in the comic but they flanderized him for the show -i dont think he had a fully fleshed allucination like the circus one outside of the extra strips?- and the pilot is riddled with fanservice, with many references and and literal rip-out monologue, which could discourage new people and was more organically inserted in the original. I think that the not impactful music was intentional, as if they went for a more mature, somber/realistic tone. Then we have the gunfire part, which lasted too much for my liking and was kind of boring at first (i grew to like the video more as i re-watched it) they could have used that time to introduce better the rest of the cast or narrow them down in the speakeasy scene. The genre thing its interesting too, because a lot of the comic relies on the witty dialogue to sell itself but here action takes the lead, maybe because its more marketable and catchs easier the eye.
It is the way it is because it was supposed to be a short film, not a pilot for a show, at first. You can see them calling it a short film many times still, and especially looking back. And as a short film, probably dedicated to please comic readers, it's fair for it to have lots of fanservice... But hey, I didn't read the comics and wasn't able to point out many of the issues. Is that a good thing? My introduction was the pilot and I feel like it's amazing at that. Probably would be able to notice some flaws with it if I had read the comics, but hey nothing is perfect. I want to read the comics really bad tho, I've seen some images of it and the art style looks amazing.
@@gradient5319 yea, i was being kinda nitpicky, i would have loved the pilot as a newcomer too because im foremost an animation fan and because its obvious the script author has writting notions and theres a lot of depth in the characterization to be unravelled. give a try to the comic, its worth it!
In order to appreciate lackadaisy, especially the intro, I had to watch it 5 - 10 times. That didn't deter me, it enhanced the experience and deepened my appreciate for the effort that was put into it. I want to be a storyboard artist, and this honestly motivates me seeing such a swell animation with heart come to life.
This is the greatest animated pilot I’ve seen since has been hotel and you just hating on it I think the lack of background music is a unique twist or unique feature. I like the realism in a very unreal context.
I was hoping that this wasn’t rage bait, and I’m glad I was right. Your points all felt pretty genuine, and I agree with a couple- for example, the lack of real time to get aquatinted with the characters, mainly because the pilot is trying to draw everyone in and establish all the main players in the story. I’m 100% fine with this though, as long as the pilot gets popular and so mainline episodes get created and all of these issues of yours can be addressed. Fair vid.
Wow, I’m impressed! I knew something felt off but it’s great that someone finally figured it out. I still think nevertheless it is PRETTY good, you did an awesome job btw.
You seemed a little confused when you say Freckle. Just to clarify Freckle isn’t his actual name, his name is Calvin, his nickname is Freckle :) I recommend you read the Web comic then comeback and reanalyze your ratings. Also about Rocky and Freckle’s insanity it was hinted at that they did something before Freckle applied for A Police Academy. Ivy and Freckle are dating (Ivy decided (comic reference 😉)) Ivy is a little bean, Calvin is a little bean, Rocky is a deranged lunatic. Another thing about Rocky he slowly gets more insane in the comics (especially after his head injury) I just hope you read then watch it really gives you a different appreciation for it when you get the references and understand how characters link. (Like how Mordecai was associated with Ivy’s Godfather (most likely why he didn’t shoot) Or how Atlas is Mitzi’s dead husband (whom she killed) also I don’t know if it was apparent how Rocky didn’t really respond to Wick but I think he did so because of how much he hates him.
I’m coming from a year in the future just to ask what the fuck you mean by “little bean?” Freckle is literally a murderer like he’s a gangster he fucking shoots and kills people with guns. How does Rocky get the deranged lunatic label and freckle doesn’t? Just wondering!
Danna Terrace (the creator of the owl house from DISNEY) Tweeted that this pilot was the best she ever watched. Thats enough proof that this Pilot wasn't lacking.
Good to see someone with an actual opinion. For a while I thought I was taking crazy pills, seeing how everybody kept heaping praise upon this animation like it's the second coming of Christ while I was less than impressed. I mean, yeah, nice animation, nice designs, nice setting, the people making it clearly were passionate, but it has a huge issue: the script. It's overwritten, self impressed and relentless, but almost devoid of actual plot or characterization, and no matter how much I tried I couldn't figure out what was it supposed to be. A comedy, a drama, a lighthearted adventure (that's what I thought at first, but then it got kinda dark)? Screen writing 101: figure out the tone of your story before start writing it. Now, I've never read the original comic, so my guess is, maybe, this episode presents an arbitrary point along the story, a part the people making the animation believed was cool, and that's why all the characterization and plot is so hard to figure out, but either way, it didn't do a good job as a pilot. If they continue making it, I hope it does get better.
I’m so happy to see this comment. I’ve been SLAUGHTERED in other reply sections for simply having this view. Glad to see I’m not the only one who was lost/underwhelmed!
Ok, your review took me both ways because I do agree the pilot does a bad job being friendly to newcomers. But also, some of your points seems to "lack" a little bit of nuance, because you sound you're trying to "fix it" when, in reality it isn't necessary. 1.- The story fails to develop their characters. I agree but I also disagree. You see, their Kickstater actually mentions that their purpose is to make a "short-film" but they somehow change it to become a "pilot" of sorts. This means they want to make a series based on this web comic, therefore, it's fine some characters don't get enough treatment because that depends a lot how screenwritting go from now on. However, we need a main character that serves us as a guide to this "adventure" and such person will introduce us to other characters. I asume Rocky is meant to be such character (in the pilot) but somehow he felt very disconnected with Ivy and Freckles and (to an extend) to the audience. 2.- Soundtrack-wise, it's very lacking. Well, that's an artistic choice (a very interesting one) and depending on the film/series, it might save it or ruin it. This can be very useful for drama, horror or suspense because now you rely heavily on dialogue and audio design. Now here's the problem, as far as I know, Lackadaisy is meant to be comedic for the most part (or at least that's the kind of impression I got whenever I watch fans voice acting the comics) and they went for this direction... It feels dissonant. That's when I agree with you. Because there were attempts to create suspense in this pilot with poor results. Unless their point is to make every character unlikeble to make "enfasis" on the tragedy of their characters... I don't know, time will tell. 3.- The animation is awesome I know I gonna get some hate for this, but people should stop making this a huge deal. It's fine that they care enough to add accurate depictions of history or the artstyle is good, or the animation looks so good it feels unfair to be available on youtube for free. But then, you have a story and that's what matter the most. We have to focus on that. 4.- The pilot is "not canon" (adressing the comments) This pilot is an adaptation of a web comic that has been running since 2005. The keyword is "adaptation", that's why anyone on the crew or even the writter would tell you this. Because, in the art of adaptation, you have certain freedoms to change "a little" the story, but you better stick to the source material, buddy. That being said, trying to tell people to "read the comic" so they can get enough context on what's happening it's a killjoy move. Don't do that, you might be responsible for making people lose interest in the pilot (and future series) to begin with. Because it feels like you're exposing people to spoiler territory and it feels like and obligation rather than something that "blooms" on your heart. Hope that helps.
I've always been a sucker for 1920s aesthetics. Lackadaisy's pilot just fueled my fire for that even more since I've been working on a short comic series that's got a similar feel to it. While yes, Lackadaisy's pilot was essentially 'lacking', I think that's kinda the point of a pilot. It's like trying out a new restaurant, or a bar in the context of Lackadaisy, do you like it? Then keep coming for more. If not, c'est la vie. While I don't always agree with the 'If you wanna know more, look somewhere else!' route, Lackadaisy (to me, at least) has proven to be quite the charming webcomic series, and I'd read it from start to finish. It'll leave you cackling like a hyena, crying like a baby, and gasping like a rich lady clutching her pearls. (Believe me, I went through those three stages and more.) IN CONCLUSION. Watching your critique of the pilot brought a bit of light to mine eyes, though critiquing a pilot would be unfair, as you may already know. (Also, fun fact, Freckle's manic laugh comes from Rocky. This was pointed out by Mitzi in the comic.)
So in the comics Mordecai actually worked for the lackadaisy crew at one point with viktor as his partner also the painting is about the founder of the bar and Mitzi is the widow of him
Just 2 things, 1. Ivy isn't the youngest, she and Calvin(Freckles' real name) are of the same age, Rocky is the oldest. 2.Wick isn't a politician, he's a businessman, the stone quarry the car crashed in was his. Bonus: Yeah, Rocky's just that way...... I would say they should send him to a mental asylum, but knowing how those were back then... It'll just make it worse... Also, maple syrup works like hallucinogens to him, just some trivia.
I disagree. This pilot was so damn amazing, and it's a show that Greatly satisfied my chaotic side(and that's telling you something that it's great). Unlike helluva boss(which it's just uh, a little too much in some episodes), Lackadaisy did everything without the unnecessary things. It just shows how webcomics can become web animation.
I'd say I have less issue with Rocky going crazy at the quarry because his earlier singing on the bridge didnt give me the vibe of someone sane. Hes imagining grand cities and distant lights over the mississipi while spining around and improvising on his violin. Later, he does the same, imagining the demolishon shack as a circus of chaos and fun, and improvises a song in the same vein based on that on the spot. Honestly, the biggest issue is his mad laugh before he finds the demolishion shack, as it would make more sense if he went crazy with his performance, like before.
Like I am all for correct thing criticisms for shows in general… but this is just the pilot… and that’s something that I think is “ lacking“ when it comes to review or rent videos on shows especially when first episodes come out… people make videos saying that they don’t understand this or that the writing is off when in reality it’s probably supposed to be that because we’re supposed to find out more in future episodes. I don’t understand why people criticize pilots plot stories when we haven’t even washed episodes being made yet… it’s honestly ridiculous in my opinion
Even though I personally loved the pilot and didn't pick up on many issues personally, I couldn't agree more with your music critique. Background music is so vital to any film and scenes seemed staler and awkward without. It's s shame too because I thought the car chase scenes music was really nice so if it was just more enhanced and other nice pieces were scattered throughout it would have made so much if a difference
Meh depends on what mood you're going for. I think most would agree that many thriller films like No Country for Old Men wouldn't work as well if they always had music playing during their action. Silence helps a lot with tension.
I actually more or less agree with the majority of points made in the video, but there are a few things i would like to add: (I'm going in order of whatever comes to my mind while typing so sorry if it's a bit scattered) first off, what you said about rocky's change of personality catching you off guard, maybe it's just me but i didn't really feel that way, since it felt like it made sense. right off the bat he's dancing around like an eccentric and theatrical lunatic while performing on the bridge, while he's supposed to keep it down and just do his job as a lookout. throughout the entire episode, he's being poetically unhinged (if that makes sense), so him being pyromaniacally unhinged too would make sense since we can already see he's got quite a few screws loose. the funny part is that I didn't even NOTICE that little noise freckle made before HE went completely insane, hence why that was somehow more jarring for me than rocky's whole ordeal as for the plot not exactly being too clear and actually kinda confusing....why lie I can kinda agree here. if anything i think the only major criticism I had with this pilot was that i couldn't tell why they were doing what they were doing at first, which made it harder for me to understand their motivations the characters being kinda basic, while I do see where you're coming from (particularly the "anxious and awkward character" thing being overused), but to be honest i just don't care. a character doesn't have to be entirely original to be a well written one about the other background characters not making enogh of an impression to be memorable....ngl i kinda agree, particularly with zib and wick. i watched the pilot (and kinda newly released ingenue mini episode) with zero knowledge about what was going on, and only went to read the webcomic recently, and only NOW do i get who wick and zib were, cuz i didn't even RECOGNIZE them when reading the comic, and only AFTER when i was rewatching the pilot AFTERWARDS. not too big of an issue honestly and only my other main criticism about this pilot, and the issue ONLY stands with wick and zib's case, especially wick. but then again, there ain't that much a pilot can do in just over 25 minutes (which it's pacing is surprisingly well done compared to other indie projects) the lack of background music? i agree actually, it DOES lack the background music, but the ambience exists there too, just differently. i don't really know how to word it, but i never got that sense of emptiness while watching the pilot, if anything i found it intrestingly unique! i don't really have many notes on ivy to be honest, i kinda agree with what you said but i didn't see it as that big of an issue, cuz i still kinda grew to like her. also i would like to mention that the guy in the painting is DEFINITLY her husband (as i said before, i went in to the pilot completely blind, and only started reading the comics recently) overall i more or less agreed with *most* of your points, but besides my point about zib and wick, none of them were really much of an issue, at least not enough to make the pilot "disappointing", and more like just minor little scrubles i had with my own experience, so of course it's gonna be a bit different for everyone anyways thanks for reading this far 👍 imaginative and theatrical imaginative and theatrical
Bro, the entire point of a pilot is to show how the series will play out in the future.. how did you find this disappointing? Seriously, 2d animations like these arent even common nowadays, disney did well with this but now does CGI stuff
You guys need to understand that this guy is speaking for more than just himself, whether it’s the majority or not. It’s an unpopular viewpoint but certainly not an invalid one. I was left in the same ballpark, not because I ‘didn’t like it’ or that it ‘didn’t fit my standards’ but because it flat out confused me. The sudden shifts in the characters’ personality threw me off quite a bit, and unless you’ve read the comics a lot of it won’t be fully understood by new viewers, including myself. If this was just to get more people to read the comics, then it’s not done a very good job as naturally you’re left just wanting to watch a supposed new series, rather than ‘downgrade’ back to a comic, and with hearing that this pilot isn’t even canon just adds to the disappointment. The animation is beautiful, but with looking at the bigger picture, it’s pretty underwhelming for a new audience.
I’ve been a Lackadaisy fan for almost 2 years now and although I don’t agree with most of you’re thoughts on the pilot something that I would like to say is how I feel like in order actually understand about what’s going on people might have to read the comic a bit which yeah I feel like the pilot made it seem like it’s only for the fans and it can be confusing for newer fans who haven’t heard of it before at the end of the day it's your opinion and it's completely fine if you're not a fan of the pilot!
I hadn't read the comic but enjoyed the pilot fine, I think it was really well made and it hooked me on the characters. I'm only now reading the comics since I crave more content from the setting.
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Thank you for this necessary critique!
I love it.
I'm glad you talked about this pilot. I liked it I hope it stays that way and I'm looking forward to what happens in it
i mean... opinions are opinions but jesus... some of that stuff mentioned makes it seem more like a rage bait where people just wanna scream SHUT UP at you and YOU HAVE SHITE TASTE! damn son.... most of the stuff i would criticize where already mentioned in most comments. the one part that is being a payne in the ass is the background music part.
but other then that. you spoke your mind. cant say nothing against it.
@Mentelgen
"Can't say nothing against it" even though you kinda just did. Rage-bait my @$$, people just can't try to walk in another's shoes and try some understand where they're comming from anymore, can they?
@@ellugerdelacruz2555 you do realize you just played yourself with asking a question. what if i said yes? i mean yea the obvious answer is no depending on what person your asking.
But hypothetically what if i didn't call you out on it and actually lied my anus off about some story i made up to prove that yes i can walk on another mans shoes?
even if i didn't start this conversation like that. it is indeed possible to walk on another mans shoes the thing is, it just needs time!
time to adapt.
adapt and overcome!
goddamn son!
yes i am not mad that you call me out on my bullshit with "Can't say nothing against it" even tho i was trying to be polite but i guess i suck at it since you cant really say: "no offense, but offense!"
i am mad because you didn't even try set up a strong defense in an argument!
you literally placed a trap behind you so that its easy to shove you into it with asking a question!.
look. how about this.
i accept the fact that i suck at politeness.
but in that exchange you make your point more valid and clear in the future!
on the bright side. at least your not one of these scrubs that say who? cares unironically.
I've never read the comic and even I knew the cat in the painting was pretty obviously Mitzi's husband.
Yeah same. That's just context clues, right? Like a puzzle, but i guess not many people are good at puzzles lol
If I never read the comic, I wouldn't have gotten that. I thought Atlas was her brother...
So can you really blame the guy?
@@ellugerdelacruz2555 but the thing is, u can clearly see they're not the same breed of felines. I think that's what us, the guys who thought he's Mitzi's husband, thought of when seeing that portrait
@@ellugerdelacruz2555 Honestly, I watched the pilot before reading the comics and before knowing The painting was of her husband I just thought she was talking to herself-
@fantawasnthere_
I guess I was close, but no cigar then...
It's a strange thing to respond to a comment similar to one that another made weeks ago.
I think people keep on forgetting that a Pilot is supposed to introduce a watcher to the world the story takes place in, and the characters that live in it.
From that perspective, I think it did a good job.
I had no idea what it was about or what was happening? All i got from this was that it's Missisipi and that there's anthro cats. I don't understand it is all
@@coffeecaim2527 it literally said at the beginning that the Prohibition is happening at the beginning of the pilot.
To make that make sense, the Prohibition was when Alcohol was illegal in America.
@@coffeecaim2527 i had zero previous knowledge on Lackadaisy but i put things together just fine. you just have to use a few context clues 💀
@@coffeecaim2527 Mississippi? Where’d you get that idea? At the beginning of the pilot, the very start, it literally says “St. Louis, Missouri”
Maybe if it *started* with a black-and-white 1920s exposition screen, it did like at the end of the credits with Mr. Sable, informing the Audience about Atlas May's mysterious murder and that the Lackadaisy is now on hard times, then it would've been more perfect. Afterwards, you could then cut to the opening scene of Rocky on the bridge with maybe a small text in the corner saying "several months later" or something.
The common complaint that many people had is that they had *zero* idea what the plot was before seeing Mitzy May talk to Atlas' painting and seeing how almost empty the speakeasy was.
Bottomline, this guy had some legit valid criticism.
To me at least, a "perfect" pilot has to not only give you a taste of the setting and characters but also telegraph what the story is. For all my disdain for Hazbin Hotel and how much I think Lackadaisy *towers* over it, the Hazbin Pilot at least told me what the main character's goals were.
If I never read the webcomic I would've been totally in the dark. So can you really blame this guy?
Disappointing? You wait almost 20 years for a pilot and you find it disappointing? Every single sketchy frame was beautiful and every bit of awkward dialogue was magic. I love this so much.
@@box2365 Ok, just, what? No. Every point made in this video can be summed up as "it didn't have this" absent of context, like shows and art should be made to the criteria of some sort of checklist. Who cares what genre you can classify something in? How can you just assume something like the lack of music was an oversight and not intentional, or just something the creator decided not to do? The video maker is entitled to think and view anything however he sees fit, but his points do not stand up to scrutiny. This video is just a list of "But I wish they had this" and given you provide no points of your own its safe to assume your just a follower. People on the internet love to be contrarians and that's what this is
@@box2365 Lol you see thats the thing. Thats 1. not what you said in the video, and 2. Has nothing to do with what I said. You of course were betting on that premise for anyone who disagreed. That the only reason I contest your point is because you have a different opinion, but that clearly isn't the case. I made my counter criticism to your point. You either didn't see them or you're willfully ignoring them because you don't have a point. The points you made are either matters of directive choice or irrelevant. What does it matter what genre a show fits into? What does this pilot do that a dozen other pilots don't when it comes to making introductions?
@@box2365 You're just repeating the same nonsense defence despite it having nothing to do with my points, which you seem to be purposefully ignoring. No one said this shouldn't be critiqued and I think you know that. You're hiding behind that defense because that's what you anticipated when you made it against something popular. If this was a misunderstanding stemming from me disagree with you without backing I would understand, but I specified what in your review I tool issue with.
@@box2365As you said, nothing is above critique, and that includes your comment. Telling someone to ''move on'' and accept it is instantly contradictory. Yes, it's his opinion, but many of his points were just him not having read the comic (whether be post or pre-pilot release), pretending the web comic never existed and completely forgetting the purpose of a pilot episode. This can be seen when he points out rocky's ''sudden'' taste for explosives and circus stuff, which can be explained by the comic itself, that shows us that rocky used to work on a circus. And even though its a mere personal opinion, it can have a huge impact on those who aren't up to date with the project but ARE willing to know more about it. So i still don't understand the purpose of this critique that summarizes on the points being ''i don't know'' ''maybe'' ''personally'' and this content creator having no idea of what he's talking about for 13 minutes straight.
@@box2365 It's a point that is being pointed out by MOST of the comments, but it seems you're pretty good at purposefully ignoring stuff from what i saw from your discussion with Whisp, so i really needed to point it out for you
This is just my own personal understanding, but I think the point of a pilot is meant to give a quick impression of a show's tone, how the story might play out, and how the characters are meant to act. And I personally feel this pilot does a pretty good job at that, I was able to understand who the characters were, and their dynamics, at least on a basic level. With most pilots, there just isn't enough time to go into detail about the backstories of the characters and world, that's what later episodes are for, pilots are more like glorified commercials in order to get the show running. Plus, the pilot did inspire me to read the entire web-comic, the side comics, and even read up on the wiki to fill in the gaps, something I wouldn't have done if it weren't for the pilot.
That's the exact point of a pilot. This person just wanted Lackadaisy to fit to their standards and not what the creator wanted or the general rule of thumb for a show pilot.
Thank you for pointing out one of the purposes of a pilot, you're absolutely right and great to hear that it did its work.
The tone that it presents based on just kinda presumption isn't met. You have to kind of meet a bit of the stereotypical expectations, even if you're trying to be different, just to kinda' sell your product, and it doesn't meet it. It did not meet my expectations for a modern take on 20's gangsters. Its slow and boring.
It’s a pilot. It’s supposed to pitch a story to new viewers, and it pitches it well. I wasn’t over the moon (personally not my thing) but there was nothing disappointing about it, it was incredible.
This video is like seeing someone dying of thirst in the desert getting offered chilled artisan glacial water, and then watching them spit it out.
Ngl love that metaphor lmao.
It's called "having a personal opinion"
I swear, why can't people just accept that others won't always like the same thing as much as they do?
Isa lei, turaga. 🫤
@@pitaalfereti58 very very true
@@pitaalfereti58 if you decide to shit your personal opinion out on a public platform its completely fair to criticize it.
i think the heat has been playing with your mind because what you're drinking is my pizz bro. 🤨
The animated film is supposed to be “lacking” its not canon and its supposed to get you to read the comics. Also, 30 minutes of hand drawn animation pretty badass
Wait WHAT!? NOT CANON!?
@@ellugerdelacruz2555 it says pilot meaning at some point the creator is probably trying to get picked up by a major network or streaming service, if thats the case i imagine if this gets made intj a show the comics and the show will be two separate continuities.
So its not really that its not cannon its its own cannon
Kinda like how dragon ball super anime and manga have enough differences to be their own cannons
Well it didn't work to get me "reading" its comics.
@@bungiecrimes7247 well i didnt ask. Its a fun animation that they made to get noticed by a studio for a possible series. I dont care if you dont have thhe attention span to read a comic
It was all hand drawn? How does that work?
I’m super curious, it sounds really cool.
But how does that work? Do they just take a picture for every frame on a paper?
Honestly, this show being ‘lacking’ is what got me into lackadaisy? I watched it like a day after release and really liked it, but I didn’t have much information on the characters and the world, so I headed over to the actual comics(and read the entire thing in like 3-4 days). If it weren’t for the animated film being the way it is, I probably wouldn’t have been intrigued and curious enough to read the webcomic.
me too, i did the same thing
Yeah, the Pilot is the first glimpse I've ever had at Lackadaisy, and I've been obsessed with it ever since
Same bro.
I'm not even a fan, it was just recommended by youtube to me the other day. There's nothing lacking about a well-drawn, well-acted, well-paced independent cartoon pilot.
Don't forget well written and animated. It's absolutely mind boggling how good this been especially compared to other indie shows like helluva boss!
Sounds like a fake comment
@@kwayneboy1524. Why, because people are honest?
@@erikbihari3625did you read the lackadaisy comic in 2008 or 2009
@@AbimaelLopez-hz3qq. No, just liked the pilot. Besides, do I really have to? A lot of nerd properties make the mistake of basically making franchise knowledge madatory, in order for someone to enjoy it. That's why I love Batman the brave and the bold, it's a love letter to the wildly inconsistent silver age from all it's goofy concepts and serious stories, but you're not required to know comics history to have a good time, it's a rollercoaster ride, where even the most harrowing spikes aren't enough to make you hurl, and wanna get off! Don't you agree?
how to make a bunch of people disagree with you speedrun fr
While I respect your thoughts on the pilot, I do have to disagree with some things. Rocky has an eccentric, imaginative and theatrical personality. This is well established with the first few minutes, where the bridge, the city, and the Mississippi are completely transformed and given new life in his eyes. His unhinged explosions-with-a-poem moment simply shows the other side to his nature. I also really have to appreciate the parallels between that and the starting scene, as both are accompanied by a spontaneous series of rhymes from Rocky. He has an imagination and an air of theatrics, and sometimes that is a good thing, and sometimes that is a bad thing for everyone around him lol. Whatever makes him and Freckles 'tick,' it's clear that where Freckles tries to supress it, Rocky embraces it wholeheartedly.
Personally I enjoyed Ivy as well. She's a plucky, resourceful, and adventurous grease monkey, but when violence comes into the picture it's a little more than she signed up for. You would have thought that *she* would be the 'quirky' character with no sense of self preservation trope, but I found it refreshing that she has her limits, and Rocky's the one who doesn't. This is more a difference of personal preference but I disagree with Freckles being a tired trope. The "nervous straight-man" archetype has been around for a *while.* This past era of animation has shown a trend of giving this kind of character a more centric role in casts, sure, but these shows are not always going to appeal to the exact same person. I had watched and enjoyed Gravity Falls, but I don't follow Helluva Boss. Nor do I even recognize the other character image you show around 9:27. What's old to some may be refreshing to others. And considering Freckles was a character from as early as 2006(?) maybe it's not entirely fair to judge him for having similarities to other characters we know of.
Another difference in subjective taste, but I don't think it's a bad thing when a show can't be pigeon holed into one or two specific genres. If I had to give Lackadaisy one though, I'd probably say "Inconvenient Adventure" with a side of dramedy and a hefty helping of Aesthetic. Or better yet, just "Slice of Life in a Wild Time," maybe. Granted I haven't read any of the comics, myself, and just know the bare bones contextual info surrounding the pilot, but I think it's a pretty good guess lol. After meeting the characters and the colorful world they live in, I'd be sad to see it reduced to a Noir-esque theme.
Again-- I'm just going off of the pilot, though I am interested in checking out the comic at some point. Variety is the spice of life and I do respect you sharing critique and criticism for the show. I just can't ascribe to it, myself.
@@misterperson6999 I dont like murder drones.
The whole pilot was so painfully predictable.
Adding on to the Murder Drones comments- as a fan, I can say that… I don’t even think that N fits the trope? He gets Anxious when his friends are about to be potentially get hurt, yes, but that’s only whenever there’s… a very obvious threat directly in front of them. He’s more of the kind-of-idiotic funny side character, in my opinion. Sorry for the ramble but I’m very hyperfixated on Murder Drones at the moment-
Also I agree with the person above, Murder Drones is great but some of the humour (especially in the pilot) is a bit grating. It absolutely finds its footing by the third episode though
@@misterperson6999 Agreed! (I’m also a big fan of the fourth episode though, but that’s mostly because whatever was going on with Uzi in that one is one of my favourite tropes. Somehow. It’s a little specific)
freckles could have the potential of being something like hotline miami. he has some deep violence in him. making him crazed.
@@vaehtay i miss the guys first shows...
"This crazy character trait really comes out of nowhere." Was that just a poor attempt at a joke or are you just that blind, deaf, and dim?!
The episode literally began with this lunatic dancing around loudly without a care in the world on a bridge in front of an oncoming train while he is supposed to be serving as the lookout on a stealth mission to retrieve illegal contraband. How could this possibly be ignored as foreshadowing that he might be a bit unhinged?!!! You can see and hear the train coming the entire time.
He mentions the lack of music, but bruh, the existing music is great
It's a pilot though, meaning a lot of plot holes will be filled when more episodes come out. It's supposed to be lacking in information as a cliffhanger so people come back when episode 1 drops. Judging a pilot episode on lack of information is kind of unfair when you consider that the pilot is supposed to be an ad not a season.
fully disagreed
Your arguments, please?
@@Birbzzwhy do you need arguments its obvious
@@sourlabbecause if someone just said "lackadaisy is lacking" without further explanation, I'm sure people would be pretty upset about that. Arguing that if you're going to make a claim, you should give a good reason for the claim you made.
@@banan9432 OPs arguments are probably the same as everyone else's, and saying you disagree doesn't always need explanation.
The reason Rocky goes crazy is because he’s fucking with Wicks construction site or whatever the hell it is. He really doesn’t like Wick, but you’d have to read the comic to know that so I kinda see your point there.
Oh that clears things up
I'm a newcomer to this series, and I just have some things to say. To be fair, a pilot is just that- a pilot. It's not supposed to dive deep into the world, it's just trying to showcase as much as they could about a a world that's (obviously) much more complicated what we're shown.
Also... About the "Rocky going wild about explosives" think does actually make sense within the context of the short. as shown at the very start, he sees things in a very different light from others. So him seeing explosives and a carnival funhouse isn't exactly off brand for him.
Besides that, while it's fine to think the short is "lacking," I feel that it's a bit cruel to label it as such, as it's not a complete story. It's just a taste of what is to come. It sucks that you can't enjoy it like others can.
I personally find the more natural sounds and lack of music extremely attractive. Was engrossed the whole way through, but different strokes I guess
I find the lack of background music one of the show's best attributes, it makes the sound design pop and you don't even notice when its first added. It makes it feel much more real
you can have constructive criticism but i really don't fuck with the click bait-y title that seems like it's meant to slander a beautifully made independent animation that took years of work
It wasn't clickbait though? The pilot did indeed lack a few things, despite it being a pilot. It's not slandering at all.
@@box2365 the person is talking about the thunbnail, the dude in the video said he isnt dissapointed but yet he said the animation is a big dissapointment
Friendly correction: I believe my final words were “lackadaisy has my full respect and admiration, but I just can't say that I'm not disappointed”
My thumbnail headlines will always reflect my views in some way.
Beyond how much more ugly the animated character designs are compared to the original comic, most commenters here don't seem to be taking into account that this entire project was only revealed to be a pilot for a potential show -the day it released-. Tracy and company previously stated it was only a short film for years, and that it would ultimately not impact the completion of the actual core comic. This, obviously, has turned out to be a complete lie, and I would wager (in a manner not dissimilar to fellow webcomic Homestuck) that the comic will be abandoned entirely or greatly reduced in quality should it be completed.
As a fan of the comic from almost the first day, it's entirely understandable to see this through the eyes of a newcomer. The comic does a much, much, much better job of introducing the characters, their relationships and interactions, and their backstories. For clarification, the painting is of Mitzi's recently-deceased husband Atlas. Wick isn't a politician, he's the owner of the quarry (which is why he was concerned about the dynamite) and Mitzi's current suitor. In fairness to the characters, Nico and Serafine don't really have much development in the comics either, and Mordecai is pretty much the breakout fan-favorite of the series. Although it's not fair to compare Freckle's personality to characters who were created a decade after the comic debuted, I can understand the sentiment. And Rocky really is an over-exaggeration of the character from the comics. Overall, I enjoyed it, but I can agree that it is heavy on fanservice and not the best at setting up the plot and characters for newcomers.
I did not even know Lackadaisy was a thing till the pilot.
@@corvus2327 It was *huge* in 2006-2007, but as Tracy made each panel more realistic, the update pace became glacial and the hype died down after a couple years
I had no clue Lackadaisy existed until this Pilot eisode was made.
Damn I hope they stop lacking and get a daisy 😔✊
The lacking of daisies is impressive
Oh damn that’s a better roast than the ones I’ve come up with!
bru
while I can understand some of your points and am grateful you agree the show deserves positive attention, it's clear you haven't done that much research.
for your first point, that being the plot and genre, they've have already been established since around 2006 when the lackadaisy comic first started.
the plot of the show will be roughly the same as the comic, but told in a different perspective. as for genre, the show will most likely be an action drama with strong elements of comedy
for your second point, the characters, it is absolutely subjective in some ways, but you also get some obvious facts wrong. the guy in the painting that mitzi talks to his her dead husband, who owned the speakeasy and kept it thriving before he died. your point on freckle being an overdone character template is also funny since he's been written that way since 2006. also yes, mordecai used to work for lackadaisy before switching over to one of their competitors, and no, the savoy siblings are more than a minor threat, and they will not become supporting characters.
I personally love all of the characters, and I think at least some of them would grow on you more if you read the comic - which by now, over a year later, I'd hope you've at least skimmed through it.
for your third point, the lack of music, it's also subject, and not at all an "oversight". music is played when it needs to be played, and I personally love the way it was used. you can't call it an oversight when it was literally produced specifically for the show.
in conclusion, I think some of your opinions would have been changed if you looked at the pilot from a different perspective, and did your research on the comic. like I said before, I am glad that you fully support the pilot and encourage others to check it out.
EDIT: having listened to your "fixed" version with music, I think it's horrid and ruins most scenes.
It's a pilot... and here we are analysing it as if the whole series has been out.
It's honestly looking extremely good and is merely meant to be an introduction, you want answers or a more clear in depth look at the characters with proper explanations then either stay tuned or read the comics, dont expect them to lay all their cards on the table yet.
that's like watching the office's pilot and bein like "yeah this is gonna be a one season show"
Here's the thing, I admit I needed to read the webtoons to fully understand and appreciate the characters, their motives and backstory. And... I was okay with that. For me, the pilot helped bring in a whole swarm of people who haven't heard of this comic before despite being a thing since 2006, and for me that was more than okay. Sure, after binging the comics, reading little details and news and catching up on the wikis, this pilot probably is 'lacking' for long term fans expecting an actual show.
But for what it did end up becoming, a huge marketing tool that brought in new fans, it worked really well. I got invested in the world, the story, and now am even more excited for future episodes/comic updates.
It kinda gives off the vibes of Balan's Wonderworld where you NEEDED the book in order to understand the video game. Terrible comparison, considering how great Lackadaisy's story and world building is, but it is the same principle. That's not bad necessarily, but first impressions can be not the best with that sort of storytelling. My friend, when I showed him this pilot, was the same way in terms of frustration over understanding what the plot was, and didn't enjoy it until I showed him the comics and explained the story more. Then he actually got invested in it.
All in all, a pretty fair review, I respect your honest thoughts during the overwhelming praise it is receiving.
I’m surprised that the comic has been around for 17 years.
@@bennettbush3906 This comic existed since I was an infant omfg
@@bi_standr Ikr I was 4-5 when it came out wtf
@@bi_standr Crazy to think what other things were around before we were born. I’m really into classical rock and other things from that time period, my father was in his early teens listening to that stuff he’s 51 now.
It’s a pilot so it might be more polished in the second rendition.
My dude. It's a pilot made by a small group. It's not the first episode backed by a billion dollar company. Jesus.
I hadn't seen the webcomic or heard of Lackadaisy before the pilot was reccommended to me. I don't like Anthro characters and I really didn't expect to like this. I was drawn in by the animation, they could give Disney a ruin for their money any day. Overrall I think it's actually a very good pilot. The action was good and for the number of characters introduced they had enough moments to start showing what they're about, you cannot expect character development in a pilot, think Bojack Horseman and how one dimentional the characters seem in the first episode. A pilots job is to be a taster and encourage you to try more. Which Lackadaisy suceeded in for me, I went to read the comics and wow, they are well written characters, Vivziepop could take writing lessons from Lackadaisy.
Maybe they should have included the part about it taking place during prohibition at the start of the pilot, I didn't have an issue realising this as it's pretty obvious given the clothing/speech/whisky in the opening minutes but I'll blame the terrible American school system for the number of people that didn't understand that part, even though that's fairly recent history for your country.
I will also disagree with the sound design. Not every scene needs music especially if your sound design is good, I watched your video with music added and sorry, they're much worse with music.
Im really sure that this pilot was made for people who generally read at least some of the web comic, so I understand your thoughts.
ok bro imma come out and say it. You're cooking. I completely agree with you. You aren't even that biased or nasty when making very valid and reasonable observations. I'm shocked by how mad people are getting about this lol
fr, 80 percent of the people who backlash on his criticism cant even give valid arguments
As a newcomer to Lackadaisy I immediently looked up the comics after seeing the pilot and then watched the pilot again after reading. What became immediently clear is that is likely what the creators intended for the pilot to do, bring more reader and fans to a decade running comic. The pilot is great upon first viewing but greatly awards viewers who are familiar with the comic, the combination of which l see as very promising grounds for a full television series.
The pilot certainly had is flaws but it did what I believe it was intended to do, make a compelling argument to fund an independent series based on this story, and show what such a series could look like. And as time goes on, I can definetly see more creators taking a similar route to draw in a dedicated fan base in order to fund series.
the fact ur calling it "dissapointing" just bc its not 100% perfect even tho its an INDIE SERIES is baffling me LMFAOOO?? also most points u brought up isnt even ,, that big of a deal? i respect ur opinion but i find it very stupid how ur making it seem like the entire pilot is awful bc of a few things that could've been better 😭
exactly..
My god we found the yapper of youtube
Hating on everything
To be honest, I've never watched the series mentioned at 9:45 (but I know them by shorts and memes) and as a fan of the action and humor comics - I cannot stop learning how this film has been made by watching it every time, again and again. I really like how they use scratch, smooth 3D integrations, voice acting and ambience effects. I do agree the film is lacking in music (I'm going to watch your Music video too, just must have to) and most of the explanations for the characters seems to be lost... But for the last one I also can say this is good enough for demo/pilot comic-film (even if it comic-based) and hope it is going to continue instead of dying.
In the end, I had never heard of Lackadaisy before the film's release, so even when I saw teaser-shorts on YT where the main characters were digging a grave really thought like "why this recommended to me? what all of this would mean for me not to black list this... something? I even donno". And now I'm going to read the original Lackadaisy because of the film. I think this is actually a success.
Thanks for the video.
This genre is historic, since Rocky and Calvin (Freckle) are cousins yeah they are both very feral cats Freckle’s chaotic side was developing since his survival of childhood with Rocky was scary and joined the police but his chaos side came to when a shooting practice, Rocky’s parents are no where to be found in the comics and lives with his Aunt (Nina) and cousin Freckle. Ivy was the one that started crushing on Freckle in the comics and their actually a couple from Ivy’s perspective, and a rising couple from Freckle’s perspective. Ivy’s godfather, father, uncle or something is I think the person who owned the little daisy dinner I think cause I never payed attention to Ivy’s relationships :|. Viktor used to be partners or maybe still are partners with Mordecai and points to why he lost his eye in one of their missions. Atlas May is the founder of Lackadaisy and dead husband of Mitzi, so Mitzi’s a widow but has been getting together with Wick and Rocky also likes Mitzi or maybe overprotective over Mitzi which is why he doesn’t like Wick. There doesn’t have to always be music, but it costed money for the music (I think). A pilot means to try to make people enjoy a new series and fitting the concept of the show to see if they can continue the project or not. And fitting the lore of each character and make a small story of what some of the show is about means making the pilot longer. Also yes this is gonna be your most least liked video 😭.
cousins? gta4 flashbacks?
Dude, im aware this is simply your opinion, but things you point out as making the episode "Disappointing" is just extreme nitpicking and some questions are answered in episode so it feels like you're judging based on little things that bothered you.
and then judge the show for not answering questions that they either just got done answering or plan on answering through context later in the episode .
Also you've never heard of the name "Mordecai"? Regular Show fans would be so pissed if they heard that. That is a household name by this point.
glad he actually appreciated the animation unlike another "criticism" video on lackadaisy ive seen
I usually find things to nitpick about shows I like, but I had nothing to complain about with Lackadaisy. This is a pilot lol
Honestly can't knock you for your take. Seems like the style of storytelling didn't gel with you, which is 100% fine. I personally like the lack of background music as it gives the sound design a lot of room to breathe, and the few scenes where it is present feel carefully considered and well-used to me.
I absolutely love Rocky, Freckle, and Ivy's characterization, and Rocky being an unhinged pyromaniac feels like it's introduced naturally. I agree it's pretty sudden and jarring, but I kinda feel like that's the point: his switch gets flipped and he goes insane at the drop of a hat, which feels in-line with his very 'do whatever I want whenever I want' attitude that we get introduced to when he's failing to be an effective lookout at the very start. All of that worked for me, but that sorta stuff is subjective and can't be considered universal.
I'm also a fan of the less-defined genre as well. I'm not a big fan of 'genre' as some sort of metric for quality myself, and I rather enjoy properties that skew or mess around with it. If this series continues (which is not actually guaranteed at the moment), it will probably fall more into the drama side of things (the source material is somewhat action-heavy, but mostly focused on the politicking and maneuvering between rival gangs and speakeasies), but having those flashes of intense action and rather goofy characters who don't take dangerous situations very seriously keeps it from feeling like it's stuck in a rut and beholden to 'fitting into a genre'.
Again, this is a personal thing: Real life can swap from uproariously funny to down-in-the-dumps to urgent and tense at the drop of a hat, and I enjoy stories that can mirror that sort of contrast. A little bit of emotional whiplash can actually be a good thing to help a story feel real and grounded, which I think really smooths out the sort of over-the-top antics we see in this pilot episode.
All that said, your takes are not unreasonable: you just didn't vibe with the series, and you can articulate the reasons for why it didn't land with you. No reason to get bent out of shape over that.
The opening scene of Rocky playing and talking about the Mississippi shows he eccentric before we see the extent of it
..lackadaisy is technically historical fiction… bc… it’s based on a point in history LMFAOO
The pilot is just an introduction to the world they live in. Of course it's not canon.
IDK man, with sound design like that who needs music to tell you how to feel. As the audience, I'm happy they took the time to not belittle us with music where it's not needed.
I think the term you're looking for in the off the nose story is "in medias res" as it *is* a Pilot that throws you into this world of interesting characters that *if* you get attached to, there's (hopefully) a whole series coming up out of it.
It has gotten the attention of the people who seek this kind of entertainment medium. It doesn't have to be in your face about things, nor properly convey whatever expectations you have.
Say, if someone is looking for a witty, high paced and hilarious yet still cutely animated with heart show, Helluva Boss is their kind of thing. The "lacking" part of Lackadaisy as you described is just part of what the experience is like.
Granted, there have been overly positive views on it that some might not share given how deeply some people and you have looked into it, but I just have to say that if we tried to critize everything heavily on "what ifs" and "it should have this or that" I don't think that Art and Animation would even be a thing anymore, let alone Storytelling amongst all things.
Some of y'all just need to calm down, these fun animated projects are just that : Fun! Percieve it that way, and either move on or go with the flow. That, is art. Or what it should be, anyway...
For me the lack of background music isn't a problem, in fact I actually noticed it on my fisrt watch and really liked the quiet. And I really liked the chase scene music, I had no problem with it.
For your other opinions, I can't really argue with them, I read the comic so I know all the characters pretty well and had no problem with the pilot. But I can see why someone who hasn't read the comic might get confused.
The main thing that I personally wish the pilot went into more is the actual possible plot/concept of what the show could be about and what we can expect plus the possible problems.
I have never read the comics nor even heard of it before the pilot so I couldnt really get into this since I had no idea what was going on.
Thats not good unless the pilot's intent was to just be official content for the already established fans. People who know whats going on. People who can probably pick on on smaller details and elements that can be used for the plot, simce they already have a feel for the content.
finally a actual critic who doesnt ragebait and/or outright hates everything literally
true, even if he is wrong in some aspects, I can respect him being reasonable
Everyone needs to chill...
This guy has some legit necessary criticism.
Maybe if it *started* with a black-and-white 1920s exposition screen (it did like at the end of the credits with Mr. Sable) informing the Audience about Atlas May's mysterious murder and that the Lackadaisy is now on hard times, then it would've been more perfect. Afterwards, you could then cut to the opening scene of Rocky on the bridge with maybe a small text in the corner saying "several months later" or something.
The common complaint that many people had is that they had *zero* idea what the plot was before seeing Mitzy May talk to Atlas' painting and seeing how almost empty the speakeasy was.
Bottomline, this guy had some legit valid criticism.
To me at least, a "perfect" pilot has to not only give you a taste of the setting and characters but also telegraph what the story is. For all my disdain for Hazbin Hotel and how much I think Lackadaisy *towers* over it, the Hazbin Pilot at least told me what the main character's goals were.
If I never read the webcomic I would've been totally in the dark about most of the characters' motivations and reasons for being. So can you really blame this guy?
I understand your points and opinion, but it is only a pilot, like a sample per say. There are going to be missing parts to it because its to hook people in to stay tuned till its first episode comes out.
And if you had read the comics Im sure it’d help you out with the sudden change in both Freckle’s and Rocky’s personality in the pilot, as the comic takes place before the pilot’s time period.
Although there are little to no music, Im sure in the soon to be episodes will have much more music than its pilot. But I appreciate that you decided to edit in some music to give the moment a spark!
Gotta personally disagree with your critiques. First off for Rocky; I think the beginning perfectly encapsulated and showed that there was something wrong with him. I've never seen the webcomic but from the first scenes with him, I could tell something was off. It was like his mannerism, his aloofness, nonchalantness and just general 'all smiles' persona was put on to cover something up. When he switched, I felt I understood him more and it felt natural. The stress/excitement of almost being killed made his usually bottled up manic side spring out and take over for a little bit. Same goes with Freckles, tries to be quiet and careful but (I think its a really nice touch they made him a tiger) when given a weapon, that rage/fighting spirit leaps out and starts taking over. The switches made sense and I absolutely adored how the show just 'show and don't tell'. It makes me feel that the pilot respected me as a viewer to notice the hints IMO.
As for your critique of the numerous characters shown off not leaving an impression on you, I'll have to disagree with that too. Though that is also down to personal opinions and I felt that all the characters introduced had their own unique quirks and special personalities to boot.
As for your critique on no background music, that is a very weird one for me. Like, not everything needs background music? I do not believe its an oversight and the places where there was music, the music hit excellently. You don't need sad music over a sad scene to make it sad, it'll be sad regardless of music. Background music isn't necessary when the sound design is as on point as it is in Lackadaisy imo.
Hey, I am glad that you recognize the beautiful animation! And sometimes some people don’t like some things that people make, it can be respected but sometimes it’s just not for them. For me it’s stuff like adventure time, genshin impact, and others. They are honestly all really well made and beautiful but it’s just something about it that doesn’t Interest me. I only don’t like these kinds of videos if all the person does just says it sucks. I am happy that you included the good and the bad! 😊
I love the pilot but I do agree, Something about the pilot that can affect it in a bad or good way is having read the comic or not, Which can make some stuff not make any sense if you haven't read it but the good thing is it introduces new people to lackadaisy. But if you have read it you already know how the character's have developed and their backstory's. overall good video keep up the good work😁👍
This video really nailed it on the head for me tbh. I was trying to put into words why it felt lacking, and this really succeeded in that. I didn't even notice the obvious lack of background music somehow, but now that you mention it, that really is the worst part. The characters also didn't really click with me except for Ivy, because every other performance kinda felt a bit forced and sometimes the voice acting certainly came off as the "TH-camr who was told they were good at voice acting one too many times" trope. Especially Rocky, I just couldn't stand his character at all, and I found myself curled up in a ball of cringe whenever he was on screen. I feel as though Michael was way better with Angel Dust. Maybe I need to rewatch it a few more times, but this video was really good at voicing some valid criticisms with the pilot. It wasn't the story that struggled or the dynamic between the characters and especially not the gorgeous animation, but there were a lot of individual issues that really made the water drain from the cup before it got the chance to hold any and become deeply enjoyable.
I do have to say that when it comes to most of these characters there are fandubs whose voices I very much prefer, and whose overall performance feels more like a character and less like someone performing a character (if that makes any sense, I'm not sure it does). The exception, of course, is Mordecai, who honestly should sound like a "TH-camr who was told they were good at voice acting one too many times" since he's (in-universe) voice acting whenever he talks (according to his creator, Mordecai deliberately suppresses his original accent and affects an artificial elocution).
I remember watching this blind not knowing anything of the show or characters; and it just wasn't my cup of tea... I didn't really like the plot or characters that much and felt mostly confused or at times even bored, it's alright if others have different opinions and if they enjoy it, that's fine... but I didn't really connect with it like others did which makes me feel kinda feel left out but whatever.
Yup Yuuuuuuup.... I saw the pilot in that way too. I couldn't relate to the forced parts of emotion. "Don't fake laugh! I can tell! thaz not real!"
4:37 Genre is just a label for comparison and categorization. While there is usually nothing wrong with falling within a pre-established genre, you will see the term "genre-defying" being used as a compliment. A piece of media that isn't afraid to cross over or break out of the usual boundaries of genre can be done well or poorly, but will almost always be memorable.
4:48 "This lack of concrete direction makes it hard to pinpoint who the show is for." It is _for_ anyone who watched it and enjoyed it. Just because Sesame Street is intended _for_ kids doesn't mean I don't adore the Martians. Just because Metal is intended _for_ metalheads doesn't mean I don't enjoy it. Art is _for_ everybody.
While one can speak in general truisms of "I like romance" or "I like settings with magic in them," intentionally constraining oneself to pre-established categories would horrifically restrict what one experiences. The webcomic and pilot are _for_ anyone willing to give them a try.
"If you were tasked with describing the show to someone, what would you say outside of it taking place during prohibition, and everyone is a cat." What else do I need to say!? If that sounds interesting to my friends, they'll check it out. If they want to know more, I can mention that it's indie, that it's hand-animated, that it's based on a webcomic, etc. Heck, just saying "Hey, check this thing out I thought it was really cool," is enough between me and my friends, we trust each other's judgment on what is of good quality and each other's assessment on what we would enjoy.
Yes. God-forbid someone make a piece of art, a method of which one expresses their own personal unique experiences, that defies artificially made boxes made by other people. All the other criticisms are valid and falls under personal taste but the genre one's just so dumb.
Basically telling artists to limit themselves as to conform to strict genre standards so they could be more marketable. Which I feel like should be a critique of the market instead, not the artists that make the products.
I hate people who make thumbnails like this just for clickbait and it's straight up rude.
If you want to make a video that has critique, Say that it's simply a critique video, not straight up "this is disappointing" Because it really wasn't.
It's supposed to make you want to learn more about the characters and interested in reading the comic. Not all shows need to introduce characters straight up, heck this was just a Pilot anyways- key word "Pilot" It isn't really an episode, it's just supposed to make you interested like I already said. Also, not all shows need music to be blasted anyways, the music in the Pilot was good enough to begin with, wasn't too loud and it wasn't too quiet.
I honestly agree whit the guy who made the video. And what you mean the title is clickbait, he told why he felt disappointed explaining quite well all the motives. I honestly think that this wasn’t a very good pilot episode either, because a pilot episode like you said is supposed to make you interested; but since this episode was so elusive and messy it didn’t. The lack of development it’s very tangible and it really seems like the developers made this pilot only for the fans. I literally had no idea this is from a web comic, and whit out this video and it’s comments I never would have.
And also nobody said that a show needs “to be blasted” whit music. All he was saying is that the pilot episode was really lacking a soundtrack which gave a deep sense of emptiness to the scenes. And I’m sure neither you can’t deny that music it’s very important; it doesn’t have to be there constantly, but when there isn’t any it’s a problem too.
It was disappointing to HIM, and he explains why. How is that clickbait? It's called an opinion
I really dont agree with most of the points tbh.
1) 4:48
The series will most likely end up being a thriller. I can see it played out much like later season of for example Breaking Bad where we follow the characters as they struggle with keeping the business running aswell as dealing with "the bad guys"
2) 5:30
Rocky was already unhinged practically from the beggining.
He has the bug maniacal grin looking at the whiskey filled coffin and when crashin into the quary.
He also doesnt go full on joker until he gets on the excavator with the explosives.
I also dont think he HALLUCINATED the explosives storage being a circus. I think that was just a metaphor
3) 6:05
Freckle was VERY clearly unhinged. He is very reluctant to pick up the gun, he looks at it undecisivelly, has the little weird look in the beggining and Rocky falling off the car was a very good way to kind of show Freckle being pushed into doing it.
4) 8:00
Mordecai is clearly either not in the same gang or more likely never been with specifically them.
Serafine says "You dont like how we play?" But also "Can let the competition go unchecked" which to me suggests Mordecai is part of the same organization or crime sindicate as them, but doesnt necessarily work with them or patrols or whatever it is they are doing. They are just clearly "generic" henchmen
5) 10:00
This is DEFENETLY what I disagree with the most.
So many great shows dont need music to convey emotion.
Also, the music you added in that video, in my opinion, actively makes the scene WORSE. Especially the first scene.
Its completely unnecessary and completely destroys the atmosphere
Yeah, I have to agree. I'm very happy the pilot is getting a lot of attention and praise and hope they get to make more of the show, but the pilot didn't leave much of an impression on me. Maybe it's because I'm judging it more as an "episode 1" rather than the pilot that it is, but not much really happens considering the length of the pilot. Characters are the life blood of every story and I feel like the pilot focused way too much on ambience and action over actually introducing the characters you're supposed to follow and fall in love with during the journey. Ambience can only go so far and I'm not personally interested in any action that involves characters I'm not already invested in. Heck, just looking at the very start of the episode, 2 minutes are immediately wasted imo with a song that doesn't really tell me anything of importance.
its just you
i kinda agree as a comic reader. Rocky is maybe the best-written character in the comic but they flanderized him for the show -i dont think he had a fully fleshed allucination like the circus one outside of the extra strips?- and the pilot is riddled with fanservice, with many references and and literal rip-out monologue, which could discourage new people and was more organically inserted in the original. I think that the not impactful music was intentional, as if they went for a more mature, somber/realistic tone. Then we have the gunfire part, which lasted too much for my liking and was kind of boring at first (i grew to like the video more as i re-watched it) they could have used that time to introduce better the rest of the cast or narrow them down in the speakeasy scene. The genre thing its interesting too, because a lot of the comic relies on the witty dialogue to sell itself but here action takes the lead, maybe because its more marketable and catchs easier the eye.
It is the way it is because it was supposed to be a short film, not a pilot for a show, at first. You can see them calling it a short film many times still, and especially looking back. And as a short film, probably dedicated to please comic readers, it's fair for it to have lots of fanservice... But hey, I didn't read the comics and wasn't able to point out many of the issues. Is that a good thing? My introduction was the pilot and I feel like it's amazing at that. Probably would be able to notice some flaws with it if I had read the comics, but hey nothing is perfect. I want to read the comics really bad tho, I've seen some images of it and the art style looks amazing.
@@gradient5319 yea, i was being kinda nitpicky, i would have loved the pilot as a newcomer too because im foremost an animation fan and because its obvious the script author has writting notions and theres a lot of depth in the characterization to be unravelled. give a try to the comic, its worth it!
In order to appreciate lackadaisy, especially the intro, I had to watch it 5 - 10 times. That didn't deter me, it enhanced the experience and deepened my appreciate for the effort that was put into it.
I want to be a storyboard artist, and this honestly motivates me seeing such a swell animation with heart come to life.
Seariously!? HOW? This is AMAZING!!!!!
This is the greatest animated pilot I’ve seen since has been hotel and you just hating on it I think the lack of background music is a unique twist or unique feature. I like the realism in a very unreal context.
I was hoping that this wasn’t rage bait, and I’m glad I was right. Your points all felt pretty genuine, and I agree with a couple- for example, the lack of real time to get aquatinted with the characters, mainly because the pilot is trying to draw everyone in and establish all the main players in the story.
I’m 100% fine with this though, as long as the pilot gets popular and so mainline episodes get created and all of these issues of yours can be addressed. Fair vid.
Wow, I’m impressed! I knew something felt off but it’s great that someone finally figured it out. I still think nevertheless it is PRETTY good, you did an awesome job btw.
You seemed a little confused when you say Freckle. Just to clarify Freckle isn’t his actual name, his name is Calvin, his nickname is Freckle :)
I recommend you read the Web comic then comeback and reanalyze your ratings.
Also about Rocky and Freckle’s insanity it was hinted at that they did something before Freckle applied for A Police Academy.
Ivy and Freckle are dating (Ivy decided (comic reference 😉))
Ivy is a little bean, Calvin is a little bean, Rocky is a deranged lunatic.
Another thing about Rocky he slowly gets more insane in the comics (especially after his head injury)
I just hope you read then watch it really gives you a different appreciation for it when you get the references and understand how characters link. (Like how Mordecai was associated with Ivy’s Godfather (most likely why he didn’t shoot) Or how Atlas is Mitzi’s dead husband (whom she killed) also I don’t know if it was apparent how Rocky didn’t really respond to Wick but I think he did so because of how much he hates him.
I’m coming from a year in the future just to ask what the fuck you mean by “little bean?” Freckle is literally a murderer like he’s a gangster he fucking shoots and kills people with guns. How does Rocky get the deranged lunatic label and freckle doesn’t? Just wondering!
and the Missed The Point award goes to...
kinda felt this way too after hearing how it was. gorgeous, but not much else. its a shame cuz a lot of people really seem to like lackadaisy.
I agree man, you summed up what I couldn't put to words.
Danna Terrace (the creator of the owl house from DISNEY) Tweeted that this pilot was the best she ever watched. Thats enough proof that this Pilot wasn't lacking.
Yeah I can understand the sudden mood changes, but if you read the comics it gives us great explanations as to why they’re the way they are
Good to see someone with an actual opinion. For a while I thought I was taking crazy pills, seeing how everybody kept heaping praise upon this animation like it's the second coming of Christ while I was less than impressed. I mean, yeah, nice animation, nice designs, nice setting, the people making it clearly were passionate, but it has a huge issue: the script. It's overwritten, self impressed and relentless, but almost devoid of actual plot or characterization, and no matter how much I tried I couldn't figure out what was it supposed to be. A comedy, a drama, a lighthearted adventure (that's what I thought at first, but then it got kinda dark)? Screen writing 101: figure out the tone of your story before start writing it.
Now, I've never read the original comic, so my guess is, maybe, this episode presents an arbitrary point along the story, a part the people making the animation believed was cool, and that's why all the characterization and plot is so hard to figure out, but either way, it didn't do a good job as a pilot. If they continue making it, I hope it does get better.
I’m so happy to see this comment. I’ve been SLAUGHTERED in other reply sections for simply having this view. Glad to see I’m not the only one who was lost/underwhelmed!
I just have no idea what it's about or what's happening. After watching it i was clueless as to what it was about as i have no context
Ok, your review took me both ways because I do agree the pilot does a bad job being friendly to newcomers. But also, some of your points seems to "lack" a little bit of nuance, because you sound you're trying to "fix it" when, in reality it isn't necessary.
1.- The story fails to develop their characters.
I agree but I also disagree. You see, their Kickstater actually mentions that their purpose is to make a "short-film" but they somehow change it to become a "pilot" of sorts. This means they want to make a series based on this web comic, therefore, it's fine some characters don't get enough treatment because that depends a lot how screenwritting go from now on. However, we need a main character that serves us as a guide to this "adventure" and such person will introduce us to other characters. I asume Rocky is meant to be such character (in the pilot) but somehow he felt very disconnected with Ivy and Freckles and (to an extend) to the audience.
2.- Soundtrack-wise, it's very lacking.
Well, that's an artistic choice (a very interesting one) and depending on the film/series, it might save it or ruin it. This can be very useful for drama, horror or suspense because now you rely heavily on dialogue and audio design. Now here's the problem, as far as I know, Lackadaisy is meant to be comedic for the most part (or at least that's the kind of impression I got whenever I watch fans voice acting the comics) and they went for this direction... It feels dissonant. That's when I agree with you. Because there were attempts to create suspense in this pilot with poor results. Unless their point is to make every character unlikeble to make "enfasis" on the tragedy of their characters... I don't know, time will tell.
3.- The animation is awesome
I know I gonna get some hate for this, but people should stop making this a huge deal. It's fine that they care enough to add accurate depictions of history or the artstyle is good, or the animation looks so good it feels unfair to be available on youtube for free. But then, you have a story and that's what matter the most. We have to focus on that.
4.- The pilot is "not canon" (adressing the comments)
This pilot is an adaptation of a web comic that has been running since 2005. The keyword is "adaptation", that's why anyone on the crew or even the writter would tell you this. Because, in the art of adaptation, you have certain freedoms to change "a little" the story, but you better stick to the source material, buddy.
That being said, trying to tell people to "read the comic" so they can get enough context on what's happening it's a killjoy move. Don't do that, you might be responsible for making people lose interest in the pilot (and future series) to begin with. Because it feels like you're exposing people to spoiler territory and it feels like and obligation rather than something that "blooms" on your heart.
Hope that helps.
It’d be one thing if you had an unpopular opinion on this, I can respect that, but a lot of what you said straight up isn’t true
I've always been a sucker for 1920s aesthetics. Lackadaisy's pilot just fueled my fire for that even more since I've been working on a short comic series that's got a similar feel to it.
While yes, Lackadaisy's pilot was essentially 'lacking', I think that's kinda the point of a pilot. It's like trying out a new restaurant, or a bar in the context of Lackadaisy, do you like it? Then keep coming for more. If not, c'est la vie.
While I don't always agree with the 'If you wanna know more, look somewhere else!' route, Lackadaisy (to me, at least) has proven to be quite the charming webcomic series, and I'd read it from start to finish. It'll leave you cackling like a hyena, crying like a baby, and gasping like a rich lady clutching her pearls. (Believe me, I went through those three stages and more.)
IN CONCLUSION.
Watching your critique of the pilot brought a bit of light to mine eyes, though critiquing a pilot would be unfair, as you may already know.
(Also, fun fact, Freckle's manic laugh comes from Rocky. This was pointed out by Mitzi in the comic.)
I enjoy these characters but i agree with your opinions. I just hope that the show can continue so that they further flesh out these characters
L take
One more thing, I really like the title 😂
So in the comics Mordecai actually worked for the lackadaisy crew at one point with viktor as his partner also the painting is about the founder of the bar and Mitzi is the widow of him
Just 2 things,
1. Ivy isn't the youngest, she and Calvin(Freckles' real name) are of the same age, Rocky is the oldest.
2.Wick isn't a politician, he's a businessman, the stone quarry the car crashed in was his.
Bonus: Yeah, Rocky's just that way...... I would say they should send him to a mental asylum, but knowing how those were back then... It'll just make it worse... Also, maple syrup works like hallucinogens to him, just some trivia.
The more I watch your videos, the more I start association your personality with that one harsh food critic from Rattatouille
not gonna lie man
everyones disagreeing with you
this is sounding kind like one of those stuck up critic reviews
I disagree. This pilot was so damn amazing, and it's a show that Greatly satisfied my chaotic side(and that's telling you something that it's great). Unlike helluva boss(which it's just uh, a little too much in some episodes), Lackadaisy did everything without the unnecessary things. It just shows how webcomics can become web animation.
It's a pilot, buddy. Ease up
I'd say I have less issue with Rocky going crazy at the quarry because his earlier singing on the bridge didnt give me the vibe of someone sane. Hes imagining grand cities and distant lights over the mississipi while spining around and improvising on his violin. Later, he does the same, imagining the demolishon shack as a circus of chaos and fun, and improvises a song in the same vein based on that on the spot. Honestly, the biggest issue is his mad laugh before he finds the demolishion shack, as it would make more sense if he went crazy with his performance, like before.
Just can’t please everybody… no matter how hard you try
Like I am all for correct thing criticisms for shows in general… but this is just the pilot… and that’s something that I think is “ lacking“ when it comes to review or rent videos on shows especially when first episodes come out… people make videos saying that they don’t understand this or that the writing is off when in reality it’s probably supposed to be that because we’re supposed to find out more in future episodes. I don’t understand why people criticize pilots plot stories when we haven’t even washed episodes being made yet… it’s honestly ridiculous in my opinion
random guy : saying his thoughts
fandom: sombody get me a gun
Even though I personally loved the pilot and didn't pick up on many issues personally, I couldn't agree more with your music critique. Background music is so vital to any film and scenes seemed staler and awkward without. It's s shame too because I thought the car chase scenes music was really nice so if it was just more enhanced and other nice pieces were scattered throughout it would have made so much if a difference
Meh depends on what mood you're going for. I think most would agree that many thriller films like No Country for Old Men wouldn't work as well if they always had music playing during their action. Silence helps a lot with tension.
What is blud yaping about it was beautiful 💀
I actually more or less agree with the majority of points made in the video, but there are a few things i would like to add:
(I'm going in order of whatever comes to my mind while typing so sorry if it's a bit scattered)
first off, what you said about rocky's change of personality catching you off guard, maybe it's just me but i didn't really feel that way, since it felt like it made sense. right off the bat he's dancing around like an eccentric and theatrical lunatic while performing on the bridge, while he's supposed to keep it down and just do his job as a lookout. throughout the entire episode, he's being poetically unhinged (if that makes sense), so him being pyromaniacally unhinged too would make sense since we can already see he's got quite a few screws loose.
the funny part is that I didn't even NOTICE that little noise freckle made before HE went completely insane, hence why that was somehow more jarring for me than rocky's whole ordeal
as for the plot not exactly being too clear and actually kinda confusing....why lie I can kinda agree here. if anything i think the only major criticism I had with this pilot was that i couldn't tell why they were doing what they were doing at first, which made it harder for me to understand their motivations
the characters being kinda basic, while I do see where you're coming from (particularly the "anxious and awkward character" thing being overused), but to be honest i just don't care. a character doesn't have to be entirely original to be a well written one
about the other background characters not making enogh of an impression to be memorable....ngl i kinda agree, particularly with zib and wick. i watched the pilot (and kinda newly released ingenue mini episode) with zero knowledge about what was going on, and only went to read the webcomic recently, and only NOW do i get who wick and zib were, cuz i didn't even RECOGNIZE them when reading the comic, and only AFTER when i was rewatching the pilot AFTERWARDS. not too big of an issue honestly and only my other main criticism about this pilot, and the issue ONLY stands with wick and zib's case, especially wick. but then again, there ain't that much a pilot can do in just over 25 minutes (which it's pacing is surprisingly well done compared to other indie projects)
the lack of background music? i agree actually, it DOES lack the background music, but the ambience exists there too, just differently. i don't really know how to word it, but i never got that sense of emptiness while watching the pilot, if anything i found it intrestingly unique!
i don't really have many notes on ivy to be honest, i kinda agree with what you said but i didn't see it as that big of an issue, cuz i still kinda grew to like her.
also i would like to mention that the guy in the painting is DEFINITLY her husband (as i said before, i went in to the pilot completely blind, and only started reading the comics recently)
overall i more or less agreed with *most* of your points, but besides my point about zib and wick, none of them were really much of an issue, at least not enough to make the pilot "disappointing", and more like just minor little scrubles i had with my own experience, so of course it's gonna be a bit different for everyone
anyways thanks for reading this far 👍 imaginative and theatrical imaginative and theatrical
Wait a minute, if this takes place before World War 2 does that mean there’s an furry Austrian painter
Bro, the entire point of a pilot is to show how the series will play out in the future.. how did you find this disappointing? Seriously, 2d animations like these arent even common nowadays, disney did well with this but now does CGI stuff
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion…
But your opinion is objectively wrong!
You guys need to understand that this guy is speaking for more than just himself, whether it’s the majority or not. It’s an unpopular viewpoint but certainly not an invalid one. I was left in the same ballpark, not because I ‘didn’t like it’ or that it ‘didn’t fit my standards’ but because it flat out confused me. The sudden shifts in the characters’ personality threw me off quite a bit, and unless you’ve read the comics a lot of it won’t be fully understood by new viewers, including myself.
If this was just to get more people to read the comics, then it’s not done a very good job as naturally you’re left just wanting to watch a supposed new series, rather than ‘downgrade’ back to a comic, and with hearing that this pilot isn’t even canon just adds to the disappointment. The animation is beautiful, but with looking at the bigger picture, it’s pretty underwhelming for a new audience.
I’ve been a Lackadaisy fan for almost 2 years now and although I don’t agree with most of you’re thoughts on the pilot something that I would like to say is how I feel like in order actually understand about what’s going on people might have to read the comic a bit which yeah I feel like the pilot made it seem like it’s only for the fans and it can be confusing for newer fans who haven’t heard of it before at the end of the day it's your opinion and it's completely fine if you're not a fan of the pilot!
I hadn't read the comic but enjoyed the pilot fine, I think it was really well made and it hooked me on the characters. I'm only now reading the comics since I crave more content from the setting.