Fun yet morbid fact: when Mitzi's reading the paper and says "done in by a scarf" is a reference to early 20th century dancer Isadora Duncan who sadly perished due to her long scarf getting caught in the tire of the car she was riding in
There are so many great historical touches that add to this pilot. My favorite is Serafine being able to fire single shots while her BAR is still in full-auto. The full-auto cyclic rate on the BAR is slow enough that squeezing off single shots like she does is absolutely possible, and her "walking fire" style was a technique that was really taught to BAR riflemen during WWI trench raids.
I highly recommend going through the comic if you haven't already, cause I'd like to think Tracy had a lot to say about certain historical accuracies portrayed in the pilot due to how much she's researched for her work. There's a lot of snippets of historical info she leaves under new released pages and I'll always remember the one about laws on putting food down the sink XD also the comic is just .. marvelous. The shading, use of color and fine details make any page worthy of being a standalone print honestly.
Glad two great minds can think alike. I've been obsessing over this character for pretty much the entirety of April now. It's cuz of the pilot I decided to knuckle down and read the comic. Not only is Serafine a crazed Creole gunslinger in the comic, but a voodoo practitioner! Which is just the COOLEST idea for a character!
As someone who's owned a few cats and dogs...yeah...that about sums up the way the cats would act at the time. My mom had one named Sasquatch when she was growing up...iirc his front paws had extra toes, hence the name since it gave him bigger than normal paws. His favorite thing to do at 3am? Open and close LOUDLY a cabinet door in the bathroom....repeatedly.
Viktor and Mordecai have female relatives that Ivy reminds them of. Victor has a daughter, Mordecai two younger sisters. That is why Viktor is so protective of Ivy and Mordecai hesitates rather than shoot her.
Plus, in the comics he was basically the top gunman for Atlas, and Ivy is a descendant of him, so maybe he also recognized her, but I like your explanation better.
A car like that did in fact exist in the 1920s. I went to an American car show recently and they got cars from the 1920-30s that looked like that. They did their research so well! Even the glass breaks like normal when it is shot at, because safety glass didn't exist back then on cars!
Yeah, Tracy Butler (the creator of this and the webcomic) is VERY punctual on getting every detail of the roaring 20's and the Great Depression of the 30's. Guns, Cars, outfits, cultures, jobs, language dialects, the whole 9 yards to the next haberdashery!
Though, it should be noted that their Ford Model A is slightly anachronistic; this pilot takes place in mid September 1927, while the Model A first hit the streets in December of that year. And they were using this car in the web comic as well, which take place in May. But they already show that they care enough about portraying the era right that I’m not going to complain about a car being a few months early lol
For anyone wondering why Mordecai doesn't take that clear shot at Ivy: Ivy Pepper is Lackadaisy's long-time 'jazz baby' - adopted by Atlas May (founder and original boss of Lackadaisy) as his goddaughter. When Atlas died, Viktor assumed the mantle of Ivy's godfather. Viktor and Mordecai were partners throughout most of Lackadaisy's history, so Mordecai well understands *exactly* how extreme Viktor would react towards anyone who harmed Ivy. Mordecai detests the Savoys, so he wouldn't lose any sleep if *they* killed Ivy - a very satisfactory reckoning to his way of thinking - but Viktor would know Mordecai's handiwork (if he had taken that shot) and has absolutely no desire to incur his former partner's personal wrath.
Personally I hope Rocky’s snazzy T.B.I makes an appearance imo it really sets the tone for the later installments and the series stakes…also the scar really suits him halfway between adorable and disturbing.
18:48 the thing Rocky was fawning over before the explosives shack caught his eye was an old school steam excavator. Powered by a boiler like a train, it was coal powered and was essentially a train engine mounted to treads with a system of cables to mechanically raise and lower the bucket
Here's a fun one for the bar itself- the daisy in the language of flowers has represented many things, often associated with innocence and purity. It has had another specific symbolism in the past though- the ability to keep a secret.
Lackadaisy just epitomizes the phrase "every frame a painting" - in the speakeasy scene, you can pause on any frame with Rocky, Ivy, and Freckle, and it could be a promotional image.
Gotta say I hope Mordecai digs up enough information to justify shooting Asa right in the face. The sheer levels of blatent disrespect both here and in the comics.
I wouldn’t be surprised, especially since it’s been heavily hinted that Mordecai was heavily involved in Altas’ death, if not by pulling the trigger himself.
Funny thing. My grandmother had a cat that looked almost EXACTLY like Mordecai named Rigby. He died a while ago, he was almost 20 I think. I just thought it was interesting how you mentioned someone named Rigby while talking about Mordecai
You threw me off because I thought that was Rocky's last name, but upon thinking about it, I remembered it was Rickaby. The comic came out in 2006 and I don't know anything about Regular Show, so I don't know which came first.
Btw in the graveyard scene, Rocky mentions Burke and Hare "did much worse and things turned out fine for them". Burke and Hare were a duo of killers in Scotland who also worked as undertakers, killing at least 16 people in 1828. Hare was granted immunity from prosecution but Burke was hanged (Burke is still around, his skeleton is at a university).
So did a lot of the ‘body snatchers’ of Edinburgh and other areas. The main difference is that while most of them simply dug up graves to steal corpses, Burke and Hare straight up murdered people, as mentioned above. Fun fact, after Burke was hanged, his body was dissected, in a bit of poetic justice. That’s why his skeleton is on display at the University of Edinburgh’s Medical School.
- Rocky is voiced by Michael Kovach who also voices Angel Dust (Hazbin Hotel pilot), N (Murder Drones), & a few more - Calvin aka “Freckle” is voiced by Belsheber Rusape who also voices Kakeru (Horimiya), Ending (My Hero Academia), Damian (The Saint's Magic Power is Omnipotent), Warney & Nekozaemon (One Piece), & a few more - Ivy is voiced by Lisa Reimold who also voices Carmilla (Re:Zero), Xia (The Misfit of Demon King Academy), & a few more - Mordecai is voiced by SungWon Cho who also voices Nekomamushi (One Piece), Kage (Ranking of Kings), Kensuke (Oddtazi), Mustard (Pokémon), & many more - Serafine is voiced by Benni Latham - Nicodeme & J.J. are voiced by Malcolm Ray from Nostalgia Critic - Mitzi is voiced by Ashe Wagner - Dorian aka “Zib” is voiced by Valentine Stokes who voices Yutaka (Tribe Nine) - Sedgewick aka “Wick” is voiced by Bradley Gareth who also voices Jyubei (Bluelock), Hikage (My Hero Academia), Tatsuto (Tribe Nine), & a few more - Viktor is voiced by Jason Marnocha who also voices Oven (One Piece), Botobai & Bushidora (HxH), Megatron (some Transformer series), Gansaku (Megalo Box), Kirin (Mob Psycho 100), & many more - Horatio is voiced by Walter Tomas Vitola
This is maybe the 5th time I've pointed this out, but there's a detail I really want to point out when Ivy clings to Freckle as Rocky leaves. Viktor notices Ivy and Freckle close, and he's like "woah, wtf is going on here-" and then he glares at Freckle. Freckle notices, he becomes worried. Next scene, Freckle is looking toward Viktor's direction. I'm sure if you've read the comic, you'd know exactly why. And you'd also know why he'd scratch the bar after Freckle and Ivy leave. I'm assuming Mitzi knows, since she's smiling at the two before patting Viktor on the arm once she leaves, too.
@Blue team John, Fred, Linda, Kelly Okay, so, spoilers without context, Viktor is one of those (surrogate) father's that are overly protective. Like the shotgun dads.
@@bones3056 ohhh that makes sense, gotta' love that big guy with a kind heart trope. Thank you mate.👍 (Much better than the big guy with a small brain trope in my opinion)
@@BlueTeam-John-Fred-Linda-Kelly It makes sense if you know **more major spoiler** Viktor has a wife and daughter out there that left him for currently unknown reasons. So he likely sees Ivy as a daughter… and has beaten up all her previous boyfriends (of which there are many). Which also may hint at why his family left in the first place.
7:28 love the sound play and science play here, as they say, "people with guilty consciences are startled by loud noises" hence getting startled by the train.
A pretty accurate representation of it as well. There are so many historical references just in this pilot, and they embrace it even more in the web comic, to the point that you can tell when they take place just from the historic events mentioned (the web comic starts in May 1927 and this pilot takes place in September, due to the mentioning of Charles Lindberghs flight across the Atlantic and the death of Isadora Duncan respectively. The date “May 27th” is also conveniently shown in one of the newer chapters). This attention to detail lets me forgive them for the Ford Model A being anachronistic by a few months haha
I've seen this pilot several times now and something I really appreciate is that none of the character have a lack of motion. Even when someone is speaking and taking the focus the other characters are always reacting or moving in some way. It is really impressive.
Something I didn’t catch until I reread the comic was that Rocky got excited about the quarry not just because of the potential explosions and fire - but because it was owned by Wick. Rocky doesn’t like the guy because he has a crush on Mitzi. So he was REAL excited to destroy Wick’s property.
Hmm, I've only read alittle of the comic, but Rocky is definitely devoted to her. He's constantly getting into brushes with death but refuses to quit the business because he seems to rationalize that Mitzi needs him to keep her business afloat.
@@BlueTeam-John-Fred-Linda-Kelly It’s complicated, to be sure. But Mitzi and Wick did have a couple dates and Rocky was extremely jealous. I think he wishes she would rely on him the way she relies on Wick’s connections and money.
I have definitely watched the pilot over 60 times since launch. I can’t get enough of it. Rocky’s serenade in the beginning just drew me in automatically. Honestly I see alot of myself in Rocky and I relate to him the most. I really hope Lackadaisy gets a full series because it truly deserves to have one. The fact the comics have been around since 2006 is amazing. This Pilot has inspired me to return to honing my Art skills so that I can bring my own creations to life. I’m so excited for the future!
4:46 Rocky IS wearing a zoot suit--which is actually anachronistic! I believe his costume design predated the actual comic by quite a while (you know how it is, having an OC and then later deciding on a story for them). Notable due to the 1920's accuracy of the rest of Lackadaisy, even if most modern day viewers wouldn't realize that.
@@cam4636 LOL! from the comic faq. Q. Why do some of your characters wear zoot suits? They weren't popular until the 1930's and 40's. A. Yeah, you can see the zoot suit look in some of the early art. Zoot suits are mostly associated with the 1940s, though, and also have some very specific cultural history that I wasn’t aware of when I first started work on the comic (see the Zoot Suit Riots of 1943). I’ve long since veered away from drawing the suits that way. Grasping 1920s fashion took some learning, as did many other facets of Jazz Age history. Research has been an endless, ongoing part of making this thing, really. I’ve learned so much along the way and I’ve corrected many of my own errors when possible. I’ll inevitably make more of them, though, as any point in history is a vast, branching, convoluted topic. So not drawn as a zoot suit. I know what a zoot suit and Rocky isn't wearing one
Not quite a zoot suit. Similar, but zoot suits had much longer fabric and usually hung down to form a straight line at the hem, rather than the tassels of his suit. Could be something related or just inspired by them, but the proper zoot suit didn't become a thing until 1930 and is more identified with the 30s and 40s. The fedora isn't helping either, since that was also part of the traditional getup. Considering he's part of a big band and almost certainly in the jazz scene, I can see him picking up a predecessor to the style, but I can't find what that might've been called specifically. The light blue color is also a point against it- the typical zoot suit is usually in darker shades.
I've seen a lot of people not like the anatomy lines/circles in the animation, but I disagree with that crowd. I LOVE when animation still has the rough anatomy lines/circles from the sketches, I don't know what the style is necessarily but I absolutely adore when animators do that. It's just something about it that has a lively type of feel I guess?
Have you seen Wolf Walkers? It's by Cartoon Saloon, and it also has anatomy lines on some of its characters. Imo, it gives the cast more life and character to them!
I mean, one of the first things Rocky does in the comic is burn down a barn, so that's not far off. Overall though, Rocky is the definition of "so crazy it might just work".
@@screamingcactus1753 a crew consisting of an on-field repair woman, light yagame with a gun a moral compass and bipolar syndrome, and Dante from DMC mixed with the pyro from TF2 sounds like one heck of a team to me.
I disagree that ivy is the brains you can see Rocky doing some intelligent stuff too When Freckle has the gun he yells ivy to stop the car he probably knew that if ivy stopped the car nicodeme (I think that was the brother name) would be obligated to move the car to one side and get closer when done that Rocky puts Freckle on the window so he could have a clear shoot While he is checking the paper I believe he is the one that made that research (explains why his face is on the paper too) so he is the reason why they found the alcohol In the comics *SPOILERS* When Rocky is captured by the pig farmers they decide to kill him with a train that is gonna pass by and he hears they had to kill one of the pigs they had on the truck and notices the dead pig next to him and when he is in the train rails he says “hey why not take advantage of this situation and put the pig here?” The farmers agree and they leave and Rocky has time to escape
Maple syrup in one's coffee (especially if locally produced / sourced) is an excellent sweetener. Two tablespoons are more than sufficient for my tastes.
Great start for a webseries. Side note it's nice to hear someone else remembers SWAT Kats. The 2nd season was awesome. I remember watching it after school at my grandma's as a kid. Back in the early days of Cartoon Network.
Having recently gotten into Lackadaisy earlier this year thanks to the first trailer of it. Bingeing also have reread the comic about 12 times already, I'm so hooked on this long-running IP. Seeing the Pilot already at 6 Milli views! As of now makes me hope so badly that this will turn into a full animated series. Because this deserves to be more then a one-off Pilot. I'm so happy for Tracy Butler and Fable including the rest of the Lackacrew for bringing this pilot short to life. Hopes it brings the team more good news in the future. 👍🏾🙌🏾
Have you caught the slight rumbling of train wheels and the soft train horn between notes during Rocky's poem? or the fact the baddie's car can be seen silouetting before it even turns its headlights on?
Olive Branch is an amazing showcase of Swinghouse. Absolute bop, and one that fit's one of Freckle's unhinged rampages perfectly. Also loved that his voice dropped the octave when started shooting
I believe with the series it will be more aligned with the comic. This pilot shows the character interaction, and stuff. Like a pilot should. Then it will do story stuff
Seeing lackadaisy get a full pilot is like seeing my kid graduate college and rocky is indeed wearing a zoot suit! It's not appropriate for the time but is meant to compliment rockys personality
The cars are accurate for sure! the red one Ivy drives is likely a ford, not quite sure about mordecai’s ride, but they did their research very well. I’m obsessed with this masterpiece!
I’ve been reading the comic and I can not stress enough how badly y’all need to read it!! It’s free and the comic art is somehow even more beautiful and matching the timeline. I love Rocky so so sooooooo so much!! To understand him you really need to read about him and Freckles life
Man I am BLIND. I totally didn't even register that the excavator was 3D. After watching A Fox in Space use blender to finish up some scenes its just a trip how good they can get 3D stuff to look with 2D these days.
So the bit at the end with JJ was him playing Taps which was written and played for fallen soldiers in battle implying he was "mourning" their little endeavor, or at least thats what it felt like to me as a musician.
Lackadaisy is set in the Prohibition Era 1920-1933. Cat's Don't Dance is set in the 1930's, specifically 1939. The same vernacular, slang, and fashion are relevant to both eras. Which is why Lackadaisy reminds a lot of people of Cat's Don't Dance. It's also set 50-60 years before the Fazzbear timeline so it was really, really stupid to even try to make a reference.
Lackadaisy was an awesome watch, I’m glad I was there for the premiere :) I love the way that rocky is animated during the intro to his explosive sequence, and in general 30:52 pretty sure the mining place they were at was his, I’d have to go back to see it but I’m pretty sure that the Minton place had his name on it “sable” Edit: yeah, sable stone quarry And then rocky calls him “Mr. Sable”
When I hear the word aeorta, I remember that it’s 1 am and I should be studying for my circulatory systems test in biology, but instead I’m watching people review indie shows.
Sooooo are they a couple or just friends? Also it brings me great joy seeing saberspark embrace his furry side instead of denying it like he used to, even if he's riding the joke on purpose.
Tbf to other character designers, this was based on a monochrome webcomic. Also, did Ivy remind anyone else of Audrey Rocio Ramirez from Disney's Atlantis?
It was a similar era; the working clothes of boys and young men were more practical for women requiring durability, mobility and tighter fit (not getting snagged or caught on things) from their clothing. Neither Audrey nor Ivy could very well do what they do in women's attire typical of the time. Plus, they don't need to be treated as some fragile thing that needs to be protected; the clothes help signal (and facilitate) a boyish independence not always afforded to women of the era.
Ha w you noticed that at 30:52 the guy rocky is talking to is probably the owner of the stone quarry The place was “sable” stone quarry, and rocky refers to him as “Mr. Sable”
I think the thing with Ivy's mouth is that, with Rocky, he smiles a big Cheshire cat grin that takes up half his face, while with Ivy, she has a small mouth that nevertheless, still stands out and stands out all the more compared to the mouths of Rocky and Freckle.
Interesting detail that I don't see a lot of people mention, you can see the silhouette of the car at 8:59 behind Ivy, even before she turns on the light. Also, Rocky's singing an old Irish folk song called "whiskey in the jar" lol
Small and mousey is a good description. I think the slight Bucktooth look, adds to an overall appearance that’s a little more human than the others. I think that ends up making her look more attractive. I’ll note that the female cats are the ones with human hair.
Oh my goodness this so good! Everytime I watch it I notice new details. Like at 9:17 when she digs her foot into the ground to brace herself for the kick back of the gun **chef's kiss**
You can always tell when a reactor knows the source material. You Know the Lackadaisy comics. How do you feel about this pilot. Me... I love it and want a full show. I really do. I was sad when the comics ended on a cliffhanger. I found this pilot and I really hope to see this become a series, or a movie.
A lot of use of the animation to get non-verbal. Use of the ears and tails to get reactions/moods across, as well as eyes and mouth, complimented by really good Voice acting and sound design. Not to forget the use of color to get the same vibes across. Especially the light in the scenes give the constant vibe that its indeed a stage play This pilot is the definition of why I like (adult) animation so much
i'm curious if the lineart still being visible is a deliberate choice. Edit to add: Weapons used by the cats. French Kitty: M1819 BAR, Mordecai: Colt 1911. Freckle: The Tommy Gun
@@CruelestChris 1927 Thompson was a semi auto only variant sold to the police that could be easily converted to full auto by a full auto trigger pack and most of them were.
@@toomanyaccounts Actually no. I've found some data on this, an M1927 is an M1921 factory-altered at Auto Ordnance with a semi-only trigger pack, literally just milling off the "1" from an existing gun and changing it to a "7." Only about 100-150 were ever made and they were a commercial failure, police certainly didn't want them and at the time it was still legal to just buy the auto version (National Firearms Act didn't exist until 1934). Of course, because of these origins and the fact that under NFA a gun "remembers" its original configuration, they still have to be registered as Title 3 machine guns even if they're still in their semi-auto configuration. Of course, since the gun in the episode is fullauto, there's no reason to identify it as anything but an M1921AC, short of seeing the "full" milled off the trigger settings or the 1 being replaced with a 7. The "M1927s" you mostly see are modern replicas made as M1927-A1 by a company called Kahr Arms, and produced by Auto Ordnance starting in the 1970s. They can easily be distinguished from period guns by their longer barrels, 18 inches with the Cutts and 16.5 without, as opposed to 12 and 10.5 inches.
@@CruelestChris they were often converted to full auto because someone in the dept that bought them thought it was an idiotic decision that had to be undone. watch the forgottens video on them. very few of them were kept semi auto only and these unalterred ones are collectors items like open bolt semi auto only MAC10s which btw go for more then open bolt transferable full auto mac10s.
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Fun fact: torpedo boy is an old slang term for someone whose job it was to be the gun man
That is a fun fact
I like it
considering this is just after ww1 I bet they are both vets
I learned something today 😊
@@jimerjam6689 bro Rocky’s in his early 20s and freckles 18
Fun yet morbid fact: when Mitzi's reading the paper and says "done in by a scarf" is a reference to early 20th century dancer Isadora Duncan who sadly perished due to her long scarf getting caught in the tire of the car she was riding in
Damn, seems like the No Capes rule extends even further back than we thought.
@@josephperez2004 I know right!
@@josephperez2004 I love that crazy Edna
"NO CAPES!" XD
a handmade scarf from a former lover. the scarf pulled her out of the car snapping her neck
Damn
There are so many great historical touches that add to this pilot. My favorite is Serafine being able to fire single shots while her BAR is still in full-auto. The full-auto cyclic rate on the BAR is slow enough that squeezing off single shots like she does is absolutely possible, and her "walking fire" style was a technique that was really taught to BAR riflemen during WWI trench raids.
same with the chauchat. Forgotten Weapons channels demonstrates walking fire with both guns
I also noticed and commented this.
I highly recommend going through the comic if you haven't already, cause I'd like to think Tracy had a lot to say about certain historical accuracies portrayed in the pilot due to how much she's researched for her work.
There's a lot of snippets of historical info she leaves under new released pages and I'll always remember the one about laws on putting food down the sink XD also the comic is just .. marvelous. The shading, use of color and fine details make any page worthy of being a standalone print honestly.
Yes!! I also just watched a video about all the guns they use in this pilot and a bit of their info! Even those small details hold so much!
Glad two great minds can think alike.
I've been obsessing over this character for pretty much the entirety of April now. It's cuz of the pilot I decided to knuckle down and read the comic. Not only is Serafine a crazed Creole gunslinger in the comic, but a voodoo practitioner! Which is just the COOLEST idea for a character!
20:26 - Can we all take a moment to appreciate the chat comment declaring Rocky's Sudden Circus to be "Normal 3AM cat behavior"? 🤣
I mean when he was cackling and tumbling down the hill, all I could think was “someone’s got the zoomies”
Alternatively: when the party’s Bard casts Bardic Inspiration…on himself!
YOU MEAN THAT CIRCUS THATS MY DARN HEAD AT 2AM TO 3AM?? EHHHHH
I HAVE NOT SEEN SLEEP IN 4 MOUTH EUEUEUHEHEUEHEBEUEH
As someone who's owned a few cats and dogs...yeah...that about sums up the way the cats would act at the time. My mom had one named Sasquatch when she was growing up...iirc his front paws had extra toes, hence the name since it gave him bigger than normal paws. His favorite thing to do at 3am? Open and close LOUDLY a cabinet door in the bathroom....repeatedly.
Viktor and Mordecai have female relatives that Ivy reminds them of. Victor has a daughter, Mordecai two younger sisters. That is why Viktor is so protective of Ivy and Mordecai hesitates rather than shoot her.
Plus, in the comics he was basically the top gunman for Atlas, and Ivy is a descendant of him, so maybe he also recognized her, but I like your explanation better.
@@Mayflower-Yev both things can be true :)
He's also still trying to solve Atlas's murder and might not want to kill his God daughter
@@Mayflower-Yev Also he shoots Ivy, Viktor will go on a warpath to kill who did it. And Mordecai knows that
7:40 Just realized they included dialogue between Rocky and Freckle that hints into their Irish Catholic upbringing. It's a nice nod! ^^
you can see freckle cross himself at one point
CATholic 😂
@@luvxoxundertalehazbinhotel1835 Cat-aholics, even
Cats and Irish,as a Tipp fan this reminds me of something.....
Freckle IS orange,white,& green
Ivy's interaction with Freckle was adorable. I think we all need an Ivy in our life.
Absolutely true, but on the other hand I would absolutely die for rocky, mostly because he would talk me into it
Every one of us needs one of our own
We do! We absolutely do!
Especially if we are a freckle
@@Silver_light77 oh he'd talk you into _and_ out of it! the human body can only handle so much poetry.
Rocky has enough unhinged crackhead energy to burn the world to ash and then revive it from said ashes and I love it so much.
He'd revive the world just to burn it again
crackhead is really an appropriate term
@@JacobVonRoker Hmmmmmmm
Well, he does drive a flaming truck at one point in the comic...
Fun fact: He's supposed to have mad hatter's disease, which was caused by Arsenic they put in felt hats.
mordecai talking on the phone is just proZD talking to himself
Ongod
No, Mr. Sweet is voiced by Jason Marnocha.
A car like that did in fact exist in the 1920s. I went to an American car show recently and they got cars from the 1920-30s that looked like that. They did their research so well! Even the glass breaks like normal when it is shot at, because safety glass didn't exist back then on cars!
It's not that surprising prohibition era gangster movies are a staple of American cinema
Yeah, Tracy Butler (the creator of this and the webcomic) is VERY punctual on getting every detail of the roaring 20's and the Great Depression of the 30's.
Guns, Cars, outfits, cultures, jobs, language dialects, the whole 9 yards to the next haberdashery!
Though, it should be noted that their Ford Model A is slightly anachronistic; this pilot takes place in mid September 1927, while the Model A first hit the streets in December of that year. And they were using this car in the web comic as well, which take place in May. But they already show that they care enough about portraying the era right that I’m not going to complain about a car being a few months early lol
@@sirboomsalot4902 In the footnotes of the webcomic, pretty much every anachronism is pointed out and explained as creative license
Tracy Butler is very clearly 3 things:
1. A great artist
2. A massive history nerd
3. A cat person
For anyone wondering why Mordecai doesn't take that clear shot at Ivy:
Ivy Pepper is Lackadaisy's long-time 'jazz baby' - adopted by Atlas May (founder and original boss of Lackadaisy) as his goddaughter. When Atlas died, Viktor assumed the mantle of Ivy's godfather. Viktor and Mordecai were partners throughout most of Lackadaisy's history, so Mordecai well understands *exactly* how extreme Viktor would react towards anyone who harmed Ivy. Mordecai detests the Savoys, so he wouldn't lose any sleep if *they* killed Ivy - a very satisfactory reckoning to his way of thinking - but Viktor would know Mordecai's handiwork (if he had taken that shot) and has absolutely no desire to incur his former partner's personal wrath.
As the opening poem was in the comic, I wonder what else will be recreated from the original.
So far the comic and the show have been 1 to 1, exactly the same down to the dialogue.
@@MrMagoo1113 That's not even close to true.... lots of events have been mixed around to create the pilot.
There's a lot of callbacks to the comic but i'm really not sure how this pilot connects to it.
Personally I hope Rocky’s snazzy T.B.I makes an appearance imo it really sets the tone for the later installments and the series stakes…also the scar really suits him halfway between adorable and disturbing.
The spaghetti arms was a bit in the original
18:48 the thing Rocky was fawning over before the explosives shack caught his eye was an old school steam excavator. Powered by a boiler like a train, it was coal powered and was essentially a train engine mounted to treads with a system of cables to mechanically raise and lower the bucket
There were steam shovels; but I think the one Rocky was riding had a gasoline engine.
The word Lackadaisy means indifference, lacking life or spirit. Which is ironic because it's very lively and bright.
irony must be foreign to you
Here's a fun one for the bar itself- the daisy in the language of flowers has represented many things, often associated with innocence and purity.
It has had another specific symbolism in the past though- the ability to keep a secret.
Lackadaisy just epitomizes the phrase "every frame a painting" - in the speakeasy scene, you can pause on any frame with Rocky, Ivy, and Freckle, and it could be a promotional image.
Gotta say I hope Mordecai digs up enough information to justify shooting Asa right in the face. The sheer levels of blatent disrespect both here and in the comics.
you ever read blacksad? you'd probably like it if you like lackadaisy!
I wouldn’t be surprised, especially since it’s been heavily hinted that Mordecai was heavily involved in Altas’ death, if not by pulling the trigger himself.
@@ashleyjohnson9651
Yes! I've heard Blacksad is really great! It's up there along with Lackadaisy and many other comics that are really well-made! ^^
@@ashleyjohnson9651 I thought I was the only thinking of Blacksad when seeing Lackadaisy Mordecai even looks a lot like him too.
@@sirboomsalot4902 Mitzi is the one people believe was behind Atlas death. Mordecai is trying to find the truth
Mordecai's tail flick of frustration is amusing to me
Funny thing. My grandmother had a cat that looked almost EXACTLY like Mordecai named Rigby. He died a while ago, he was almost 20 I think. I just thought it was interesting how you mentioned someone named Rigby while talking about Mordecai
(Mordecai and Rigby are the central characters of a cartoon called Regular Show following their antics and exploits as complete slackers)
@@waffle911 Right. I remember that. I saw 2 episodes of that one time
You threw me off because I thought that was Rocky's last name, but upon thinking about it, I remembered it was Rickaby. The comic came out in 2006 and I don't know anything about Regular Show, so I don't know which came first.
The body language feels really nice. I particularly like Mordecai's tail twitching in irritation and instincts tied to pouncing.
Btw in the graveyard scene, Rocky mentions Burke and Hare "did much worse and things turned out fine for them".
Burke and Hare were a duo of killers in Scotland who also worked as undertakers, killing at least 16 people in 1828. Hare was granted immunity from prosecution but Burke was hanged (Burke is still around, his skeleton is at a university).
they provided bodies for scientific examination
So did a lot of the ‘body snatchers’ of Edinburgh and other areas. The main difference is that while most of them simply dug up graves to steal corpses, Burke and Hare straight up murdered people, as mentioned above. Fun fact, after Burke was hanged, his body was dissected, in a bit of poetic justice. That’s why his skeleton is on display at the University of Edinburgh’s Medical School.
- Rocky is voiced by Michael Kovach who also voices Angel Dust (Hazbin Hotel pilot), N (Murder Drones), & a few more
- Calvin aka “Freckle” is voiced by Belsheber Rusape who also voices Kakeru (Horimiya), Ending (My Hero Academia), Damian (The Saint's Magic Power is Omnipotent), Warney & Nekozaemon (One Piece), & a few more
- Ivy is voiced by Lisa Reimold who also voices Carmilla (Re:Zero), Xia (The Misfit of Demon King Academy), & a few more
- Mordecai is voiced by SungWon Cho who also voices Nekomamushi (One Piece), Kage (Ranking of Kings), Kensuke (Oddtazi), Mustard (Pokémon), & many more
- Serafine is voiced by Benni Latham
- Nicodeme & J.J. are voiced by Malcolm Ray from Nostalgia Critic
- Mitzi is voiced by Ashe Wagner
- Dorian aka “Zib” is voiced by Valentine Stokes who voices Yutaka (Tribe Nine)
- Sedgewick aka “Wick” is voiced by Bradley Gareth who also voices Jyubei (Bluelock), Hikage (My Hero Academia), Tatsuto (Tribe Nine), & a few more
- Viktor is voiced by Jason Marnocha who also voices Oven (One Piece), Botobai & Bushidora (HxH), Megatron (some Transformer series), Gansaku (Megalo Box), Kirin (Mob Psycho 100), & many more
- Horatio is voiced by Walter Tomas Vitola
Man, that’s a lot of reading
Too bad I’m not reading ‘em.
I thought Mordecai's voice sounded familiar.
SungWon is also known as ProZD
@@kaklingdelinquent Yeah I am subscribed to him already but forgot to put that in
I love Serafine's voice
I love how Rocky is basically a musical kitty cat Joker.
And a feline poet
Man I love Freckle’s character personality. He go crazy with the guns. 13:37
Crazy runs in the family
Rocky is always crazy, Freckle only with a gun
XD
@@CatCheshireYeah, but more of, Freckles hates the craziness and tries to suppress it, Rocky sort of follows it.
This is maybe the 5th time I've pointed this out, but there's a detail I really want to point out when Ivy clings to Freckle as Rocky leaves. Viktor notices Ivy and Freckle close, and he's like "woah, wtf is going on here-" and then he glares at Freckle. Freckle notices, he becomes worried. Next scene, Freckle is looking toward Viktor's direction.
I'm sure if you've read the comic, you'd know exactly why. And you'd also know why he'd scratch the bar after Freckle and Ivy leave. I'm assuming Mitzi knows, since she's smiling at the two before patting Viktor on the arm once she leaves, too.
Ok... I'm alright with a small spoiler, could you explain the meaning behind that if it doesn't hurt the story for me?
@Blue team John, Fred, Linda, Kelly Okay, so, spoilers without context, Viktor is one of those (surrogate) father's that are overly protective. Like the shotgun dads.
@@bones3056 ohhh that makes sense, gotta' love that big guy with a kind heart trope. Thank you mate.👍
(Much better than the big guy with a small brain trope in my opinion)
@@BlueTeam-John-Fred-Linda-Kelly absolutely! No problem!
@@BlueTeam-John-Fred-Linda-Kelly It makes sense if you know **more major spoiler**
Viktor has a wife and daughter out there that left him for currently unknown reasons. So he likely sees Ivy as a daughter… and has beaten up all her previous boyfriends (of which there are many). Which also may hint at why his family left in the first place.
I just noticed Freckle signs himself in relief when they open the coffin. Nice touch
15:24 THE “NO” IS SO PERFECTLY TIMED HELP
Im here what do u need help with
7:28 love the sound play and science play here, as they say, "people with guilty consciences are startled by loud noises" hence getting startled by the train.
Like i said i love that Lackadaisy takes place during the era of Prohibition America, A time period in which gangsters gained fame!
It’s so funny, the entire point was to eliminate degeneracy and just created organized crime
A pretty accurate representation of it as well. There are so many historical references just in this pilot, and they embrace it even more in the web comic, to the point that you can tell when they take place just from the historic events mentioned (the web comic starts in May 1927 and this pilot takes place in September, due to the mentioning of Charles Lindberghs flight across the Atlantic and the death of Isadora Duncan respectively. The date “May 27th” is also conveniently shown in one of the newer chapters). This attention to detail lets me forgive them for the Ford Model A being anachronistic by a few months haha
@@Wishtelle Yes i am, I changed my name and for a number of reasons.
I've already watched it twice and I genuinely can't wait to see it again. This pilot just oozes charm from every frame.
BRUH I REALLY HOPE TO SEE LACKADAISY CONTINUE ITS SO GOOD
I've seen this pilot several times now and something I really appreciate is that none of the character have a lack of motion. Even when someone is speaking and taking the focus the other characters are always reacting or moving in some way. It is really impressive.
Yes! It looks so lively! Like it's a real movie with actors, who act even when they are not in the spotlight
:3
Something I didn’t catch until I reread the comic was that Rocky got excited about the quarry not just because of the potential explosions and fire - but because it was owned by Wick. Rocky doesn’t like the guy because he has a crush on Mitzi. So he was REAL excited to destroy Wick’s property.
So rocky and wick are both after mitzi? Interesting...🤔
@@BlueTeam-John-Fred-Linda-Kelly It's... complicated.
Hmm, I've only read alittle of the comic, but Rocky is definitely devoted to her. He's constantly getting into brushes with death but refuses to quit the business because he seems to rationalize that Mitzi needs him to keep her business afloat.
@@BlueTeam-John-Fred-Linda-Kelly no, it's because Rocky sees Mitzy as a mother figure, someone who took him in when no one else would
@@BlueTeam-John-Fred-Linda-Kelly It’s complicated, to be sure. But Mitzi and Wick did have a couple dates and Rocky was extremely jealous. I think he wishes she would rely on him the way she relies on Wick’s connections and money.
Of the trio, Freckle has always been my fave. But of all the characters I've gotta say Viktor, Mordecai, and the Savoys are my favorites.
SABER FINALLY ACCEPTED THAT HE IS A FURRY!!
Cats Don’t smuggle booze
You're right. They smuggle catnip.
@Joseph Joestar Stalin I think they're referring to Cats Don't Dance
@@gcmsli9752 I know, I just thought I'd mix it up.
who's gonna tell him?
Then what have I been drinking
I have definitely watched the pilot over 60 times since launch. I can’t get enough of it. Rocky’s serenade in the beginning just drew me in automatically. Honestly I see alot of myself in Rocky and I relate to him the most. I really hope Lackadaisy gets a full series because it truly deserves to have one. The fact the comics have been around since 2006 is amazing. This Pilot has inspired me to return to honing my Art skills so that I can bring my own creations to life. I’m so excited for the future!
4:46 Rocky IS wearing a zoot suit--which is actually anachronistic! I believe his costume design predated the actual comic by quite a while (you know how it is, having an OC and then later deciding on a story for them). Notable due to the 1920's accuracy of the rest of Lackadaisy, even if most modern day viewers wouldn't realize that.
nope not a zoot suit. just custom suit that is way above his financial status
@@toomanyaccounts No, darling, it's not. Source: I know more than you
@@cam4636 LOL! from the comic faq. Q. Why do some of your characters wear zoot suits? They weren't popular until the 1930's and 40's.
A. Yeah, you can see the zoot suit look in some of the early art. Zoot suits are mostly associated with the 1940s, though, and also have some very specific cultural history that I wasn’t aware of when I first started work on the comic (see the Zoot Suit Riots of 1943). I’ve long since veered away from drawing the suits that way. Grasping 1920s fashion took some learning, as did many other facets of Jazz Age history. Research has been an endless, ongoing part of making this thing, really. I’ve learned so much along the way and I’ve corrected many of my own errors when possible. I’ll inevitably make more of them, though, as any point in history is a vast, branching, convoluted topic.
So not drawn as a zoot suit. I know what a zoot suit and Rocky isn't wearing one
Ivy is the adorable little scamp we never knew we wanted.
The poem is about Ol Muddy, the Mississippi River, not the state. This is set in St. Louis, Missouri.
something I love is how much of this pilot is 3D yet it doesn't look 3D at all until you look really close
I just love the movement of Ivy's eyes at 9:07 while she tries to figure out what is happening. It's perfect!
Not quite a zoot suit. Similar, but zoot suits had much longer fabric and usually hung down to form a straight line at the hem, rather than the tassels of his suit. Could be something related or just inspired by them, but the proper zoot suit didn't become a thing until 1930 and is more identified with the 30s and 40s. The fedora isn't helping either, since that was also part of the traditional getup. Considering he's part of a big band and almost certainly in the jazz scene, I can see him picking up a predecessor to the style, but I can't find what that might've been called specifically. The light blue color is also a point against it- the typical zoot suit is usually in darker shades.
Everybody gangster until Freckle has a gun
“I don’t know if you guys realize this- this animation slaps.”
100%. People don’t realize.
i love micheal kovach being unhinged😭watched this pilot a few times already its so good
Ivy is very mouse-like, even her grey fur is very mouse-like ^^
On my first watch through, I genuinely thought she was a mouse for the first half of the episode haha
@@bluexephosfan970 That woulda been adorable X-3
Lackadaisy does not even feel like 27 minutes its amazing
I've seen a lot of people not like the anatomy lines/circles in the animation, but I disagree with that crowd. I LOVE when animation still has the rough anatomy lines/circles from the sketches, I don't know what the style is necessarily but I absolutely adore when animators do that. It's just something about it that has a lively type of feel I guess?
Have you seen Wolf Walkers? It's by Cartoon Saloon, and it also has anatomy lines on some of its characters. Imo, it gives the cast more life and character to them!
I find it funny how the subscription Joseph shouted NOOOOOOO right before Mordecai shot his gun after the tire got shot
I feel like Ivy is the brains, Freckle is the gun expert, and Rocky is a pyrotechnician
I mean, one of the first things Rocky does in the comic is burn down a barn, so that's not far off. Overall though, Rocky is the definition of "so crazy it might just work".
@@screamingcactus1753 a crew consisting of an on-field repair woman, light yagame with a gun a moral compass and bipolar syndrome, and Dante from DMC mixed with the pyro from TF2 sounds like one heck of a team to me.
I disagree that ivy is the brains you can see Rocky doing some intelligent stuff too
When Freckle has the gun he yells ivy to stop the car he probably knew that if ivy stopped the car nicodeme (I think that was the brother name) would be obligated to move the car to one side and get closer when done that Rocky puts Freckle on the window so he could have a clear shoot
While he is checking the paper I believe he is the one that made that research (explains why his face is on the paper too) so he is the reason why they found the alcohol
In the comics *SPOILERS*
When Rocky is captured by the pig farmers they decide to kill him with a train that is gonna pass by and he hears they had to kill one of the pigs they had on the truck and notices the dead pig next to him and when he is in the train rails he says “hey why not take advantage of this situation and put the pig here?” The farmers agree and they leave and Rocky has time to escape
Didn’t rocky decode a message to get the cords to the drinks?
Rocky puts syrup in his coffee. Having tried it, I can say I actually really enjoy it
Hmm, I'm not much for coffee, but I might try this is the opportunity presents itself.
@@josephperez2004 it is what starbucks does. coffee syrup is sold in stores in several states
Maple syrup in one's coffee (especially if locally produced / sourced) is an excellent sweetener. Two tablespoons are more than sufficient for my tastes.
i’d rather not have cardiovascular disease in my 30’s
37:13 - 37:14 I like how the glass clink was loud enough to activate Saber's catsona!😂
Great start for a webseries.
Side note it's nice to hear someone else remembers SWAT Kats. The 2nd season was awesome. I remember watching it after school at my grandma's as a kid. Back in the early days of Cartoon Network.
Pity the attempt to bring the series back failed.
it was released on special edition dvd/bluray
Having recently gotten into Lackadaisy earlier this year thanks to the first trailer of it. Bingeing also have reread the comic about 12 times already, I'm so hooked on this long-running IP. Seeing the Pilot already at 6 Milli views! As of now makes me hope so badly that this will turn into a full animated series. Because this deserves to be more then a one-off Pilot. I'm so happy for Tracy Butler and Fable including the rest of the Lackacrew for bringing this pilot short to life. Hopes it brings the team more good news in the future. 👍🏾🙌🏾
Have you caught the slight rumbling of train wheels and the soft train horn between notes during Rocky's poem? or the fact the baddie's car can be seen silouetting before it even turns its headlights on?
Canadians arent just canon in Lackadaisy, you cant have a bootlegging story without em
The Cajun accents were just so perfect
Olive Branch is an amazing showcase of Swinghouse. Absolute bop, and one that fit's one of Freckle's unhinged rampages perfectly.
Also loved that his voice dropped the octave when started shooting
I believe with the series it will be more aligned with the comic. This pilot shows the character interaction, and stuff. Like a pilot should. Then it will do story stuff
Seeing lackadaisy get a full pilot is like seeing my kid graduate college and rocky is indeed wearing a zoot suit! It's not appropriate for the time but is meant to compliment rockys personality
The cars are accurate for sure! the red one Ivy drives is likely a ford, not quite sure about mordecai’s ride, but they did their research very well. I’m obsessed with this masterpiece!
I appreciate the lack of preamble before the actual reaction starts
I read the webcomic after the pilot, I love it! 💖
I’ve been reading the comic and I can not stress enough how badly y’all need to read it!! It’s free and the comic art is somehow even more beautiful and matching the timeline. I love Rocky so so sooooooo so much!! To understand him you really need to read about him and Freckles life
Man I am BLIND. I totally didn't even register that the excavator was 3D. After watching A Fox in Space use blender to finish up some scenes its just a trip how good they can get 3D stuff to look with 2D these days.
So the bit at the end with JJ was him playing Taps which was written and played for fallen soldiers in battle implying he was "mourning" their little endeavor, or at least thats what it felt like to me as a musician.
Lackadaisy is set in the Prohibition Era 1920-1933. Cat's Don't Dance is set in the 1930's, specifically 1939. The same vernacular, slang, and fashion are relevant to both eras. Which is why Lackadaisy reminds a lot of people of Cat's Don't Dance. It's also set 50-60 years before the Fazzbear timeline so it was really, really stupid to even try to make a reference.
Lackadaisy was an awesome watch, I’m glad I was there for the premiere :)
I love the way that rocky is animated during the intro to his explosive sequence, and in general
30:52 pretty sure the mining place they were at was his, I’d have to go back to see it but I’m pretty sure that the Minton place had his name on it “sable”
Edit: yeah, sable stone quarry
And then rocky calls him “Mr. Sable”
Poor Mr Sable knows they destroyed his property xD
9:56 I'm glad I'm not the only one who adores this character! Rocky's still my #1 guy.
When I hear the word aeorta, I remember that it’s 1 am and I should be studying for my circulatory systems test in biology, but instead I’m watching people review indie shows.
Rocky from lackadaisical and n from murder drones have an amazing voice actor, and both are very entertaining characters.
Sooooo are they a couple or just friends?
Also it brings me great joy seeing saberspark embrace his furry side instead of denying it like he used to, even if he's riding the joke on purpose.
Ivy's teeth also remind me of how they do Millie's teeth in Helluva Boss.
Tbf to other character designers, this was based on a monochrome webcomic.
Also, did Ivy remind anyone else of Audrey Rocio Ramirez from Disney's Atlantis?
It was a similar era; the working clothes of boys and young men were more practical for women requiring durability, mobility and tighter fit (not getting snagged or caught on things) from their clothing. Neither Audrey nor Ivy could very well do what they do in women's attire typical of the time. Plus, they don't need to be treated as some fragile thing that needs to be protected; the clothes help signal (and facilitate) a boyish independence not always afforded to women of the era.
@@waffle911
I was thinking more the adorable buck-teeth tbh.
Two for flinching!
The animation and art style in this is drop dead gorgeous!!!
Yeah I am a big fan of this one. I keep going back to the pilot to watch it again. It just has its hooks in me
Ha w you noticed that at 30:52 the guy rocky is talking to is probably the owner of the stone quarry
The place was “sable” stone quarry, and rocky refers to him as “Mr. Sable”
@@ckinggaming5bucketmadness766 yes
This is a much better pilot than the Hazbin Hotel pilot.
I think the thing with Ivy's mouth is that, with Rocky, he smiles a big Cheshire cat grin that takes up half his face, while with Ivy, she has a small mouth that nevertheless, still stands out and stands out all the more compared to the mouths of Rocky and Freckle.
Interesting detail that I don't see a lot of people mention, you can see the silhouette of the car at 8:59 behind Ivy, even before she turns on the light. Also, Rocky's singing an old Irish folk song called "whiskey in the jar" lol
pity how many think it is a metallica song
@@toomanyaccounts this is a statement of time. But yes, quite factual.
I love this so much! If you read the comics there so many subtle details and references to miss. My favorite is Freckle just raging with the Thompson!
Thanks Saber for this suggestion last week. I got to watch this the other day and I was not disappoint. Can't wait for more!
Eyes are the window to the soul, but Sabie's a tooth man
Small and mousey is a good description. I think the slight Bucktooth look, adds to an overall appearance that’s a little more human than the others. I think that ends up making her look more attractive. I’ll note that the female cats are the ones with human hair.
The limerick was for the Mississippi River, which runs by St Louis Missouri, where the locations are based.
THANK YOU! I was getting so annoyed. It’s the RIVER not the state lol
did NOT know ProZD was Mordecai. I just had a revelation. Also they apparently started working on this WHEN I WAS BORN?????
I love how the Posh cat's reply to being flirted with is "Wait a few more drinks..."
Oh my goodness this so good! Everytime I watch it I notice new details. Like at 9:17 when she digs her foot into the ground to brace herself for the kick back of the gun **chef's kiss**
7:00 Y'all it literally says they're in St. Louis, which is in *_Missouri._* He's talking about the Mississippi River
One of my favorite details is Rocky pulling out a violin case and taking out the tommy gun just like twenty's gangsters would typically do
“I would drink with these two” Truest statement ever said.
Rocky suddenly turns into cat-Joker when he gets his hands on dynamite.
I've watched this pilot 3x and it is still awesome every time ♥️♣️😻
You can always tell when a reactor knows the source material. You Know the Lackadaisy comics. How do you feel about this pilot. Me... I love it and want a full show. I really do. I was sad when the comics ended on a cliffhanger. I found this pilot and I really hope to see this become a series, or a movie.
I would like to see ERMA as a full blown Series too.
Watched this on their channel! I loved the scenes and colors, can't wait for more :D
A lot of use of the animation to get non-verbal. Use of the ears and tails to get reactions/moods across, as well as eyes and mouth, complimented by really good Voice acting and sound design. Not to forget the use of color to get the same vibes across. Especially the light in the scenes give the constant vibe that its indeed a stage play
This pilot is the definition of why I like (adult) animation so much
5:12 something about this scene i love so much, idk what it is i just really like the “little Go Getter !!!” part
Saber I CANT STRESS ENOUGH you might be a furry
It's always a matter of time.
Transcend humanity.
At least in mind, we can get to the body part eventually.
i'm curious if the lineart still being visible is a deliberate choice.
Edit to add: Weapons used by the cats. French Kitty: M1819 BAR, Mordecai: Colt 1911. Freckle: The Tommy Gun
1927 Thompson. Bayard 1908. yes the lineart is deliberate
@@toomanyaccounts
M1921AC Thompson, the next model was the M1928.
@@CruelestChris 1927 Thompson was a semi auto only variant sold to the police that could be easily converted to full auto by a full auto trigger pack and most of them were.
@@toomanyaccounts
Actually no. I've found some data on this, an M1927 is an M1921 factory-altered at Auto Ordnance with a semi-only trigger pack, literally just milling off the "1" from an existing gun and changing it to a "7." Only about 100-150 were ever made and they were a commercial failure, police certainly didn't want them and at the time it was still legal to just buy the auto version (National Firearms Act didn't exist until 1934).
Of course, because of these origins and the fact that under NFA a gun "remembers" its original configuration, they still have to be registered as Title 3 machine guns even if they're still in their semi-auto configuration.
Of course, since the gun in the episode is fullauto, there's no reason to identify it as anything but an M1921AC, short of seeing the "full" milled off the trigger settings or the 1 being replaced with a 7.
The "M1927s" you mostly see are modern replicas made as M1927-A1 by a company called Kahr Arms, and produced by Auto Ordnance starting in the 1970s. They can easily be distinguished from period guns by their longer barrels, 18 inches with the Cutts and 16.5 without, as opposed to 12 and 10.5 inches.
@@CruelestChris they were often converted to full auto because someone in the dept that bought them thought it was an idiotic decision that had to be undone. watch the forgottens video on them. very few of them were kept semi auto only and these unalterred ones are collectors items like open bolt semi auto only MAC10s which btw go for more then open bolt transferable full auto mac10s.