100%, you can see from both of them dominating and having longer careers than the younger players meant to succeed them that those two were truly on another level
Thank you for making this!!! This was so insightful and impactful :”) Both respect and in awe of their hard work but bittersweet for their losses in health and career :(
What about Du Pengyu? He reached the final at the Denmark and Indonesia open 2012, Korea open final and WC semifinal in 2013. In 2 of these matches he been defeated by LCW in 3 hard-fought sets
Xue Song is the only China player who was close to Lin Dan’s smoothness, speed and tactical on court, but so unfortunately injury permanently shut his Badminton career. He would have destroyed Kento, Axelson them all. Xue Song was leading Kento Momota when he retired injury and he never was able to come back to competition since then. Xue Song is way far better than Shi Yuqi.
I remember the period Lcw is still playing. China, Indonesia , Japan and India have tons of new men's singles players while we only Lcw. I remember Chong wei feng, Daren liew and Iskandar zulkarnian. We even have Zulfadli as world junior champion and Soo teck zhi Asian junior champion. After that all didn't turn up good till Lzj comes in the scene. Fast forward China who is just like Malaysia is also struggling to find replacement .
So far only Denmark able to get the torch relay from Paul Erik to Viktor Axelsen. The other like Indonesia still struggling, China also struggling, Malaysia has a good potential for LzJ. You won’t find a legendary player every decade.
@@beruangloncat actually Shi yuqi is improving a lot since Denmark open when he beat Lzj. But at least for Malaysia eventhough Lzj didn't perform well but at least we had Ng tze yong .
You want to know why the competition has been dead for Chinese Men's single? It's bc Chinese coaches are going abroad and teaching everyone and bc there's great video quality for studying how opponents play now. Everyone is on the same lvl playing field now.
I saw tian a lot of time, he was a really good player with precision and shot selection... But lcw and LD was on another level at that time, which take careers of many potential players.
badminton at the pinnacle level is extremely competitive. there can only be one or two players that a nation will develop. Especially china. Out of billions and billions of people in china, they recruit. and out of those only a handful are selected to train. It's true, when you're born in the age of LD, LCW, you're in no luck. CL was very closed to be eclipsed by LD, but eventually came up on top. posing to be a worthy opponent to lcw. Same thing can be said to malaysia. how many people couldn't reach their full potential because of lcw. That being said, i cannot say if there was an alternate universe, where LD didn't exist, will these two players reach the legendary level of LD or CL. These are legends. Once every 10000 years :)
Tian HouWei always had phenomenal footwork and athleticism but his play lacked the creativity or breakthrough skills that other players would have (LCW's speed, Chen Long's defense, Axelsen's height/attack etc) but you could always tell he was a very hardworking player who would be ready to grind down his opponents with sheer will
@@KeithHiew u missed the point. There are other players with same/similar height to a Axelsen such as popov, mark caljouw, Toby penty, Jan louda. However, none of them is anywhere near Axelsen’s level which proves that it’s not just about genetics alone. Axelsen is an exception not the rule.
I commented on one video of Badminton Finder exactly about this. About how Chinese' men singles are on a downfall with an injured, non-passionate Shi Yuqi; 2 left handers Zhao Jun Peng and Weng Hong Yang who look promising but their pace and overall skills are just 5/10 compared to the legend Lin Dan. Lu Guang Zu and Huang Yiu Xiang doesn't look any better either
I left Wang out of the list because he’s actually just a year younger than Chen Long, so I didn’t consider him part of a younger generation than him. But agreed he had a lot of potential given his success at the junior level and it never translated into WC medals or many major titles
whenever I saw their competitor looking at an injured person during the match, I felt sad for the sportsmanship spirit to only look by the other side of the court but not going directly toward their opponent!!! (this is just my opinion, in case you have negative thoughts on my opinion, please reply and tell me if am I wrong or not?)
It does seem a bit odd especially considering how other players have typically reacted recently when their opponents get injured. This is before his suspension for gambling though when he was still young so maybe he improved his character in the past few years?
I'm sure most players at the top level are very compassionate towards their rivals when they are injured and would instantly check on them if they could. But as others have mentioned, there are rules for approaching a player on court that disallow it
I doubt that actually. The only one I would say looks the most promising rn is Weng Hong Yang, he is fast and has deadly smashes, also has fairly good defenses. Whereas Lu Guang Zu playstyle is a bit too textbook with no real weapons. This generation values players that has special attacking abilities like Axelsen or Lee Zi Jia. Momota's style is out of date, Zhao Jung Peng is weak in attack and a bit slow even though he has same height range as Chen Long who has amazing speed
Tian maybe, I think Xue was actually too injured to keep playing. Also don’t know if there’s precedent for someone leaving the Chinese 1st team for Taiwan/Hong Kong - only one I can think of is Hu Yun and he might have been provincial in China or something like that
I would say LCW was overshadowed at the world championship/Olympic level by LD and CL but still had abundant success in every other aspect of his career, vs XS/THW both looking like they were the next big thing in 2013 before fizzling out
Huh?Lcw won more super series than your finger and toes combined. Imho, he is the best fighter coming back from nose cancer and still regained his world number 1 ranking
@@puregale How Many Olympic *"Gold"* ? How Many Asian Games *"Gold"* ?? Or How many World Championship *"Gold"* ??? 🤔 Even Polii is more Accomplished in Major Tournament than Him and whether you like it or not that's a *"FACT"* 🤫🤫
Not only the MS but the WS players as well r all in decline. With the exception of Chen Yu Fei who is definitely world class the rest ms n ws players r just average players no more no less.
What is this youtube commentor doing when he just saw an incomplete snapshot window of a situation before making a judgement about a person's reputation? Where is his discernment? The disrespect?
You could say that, but there’s a role that injuries/being passed over to compete in the Olympics because of the 2 player per country rule that ended their careers prematurely so that now there’s a gap between Chen Long and Shi Yuqi where Chinese MS hasn’t been dominant
Goes to show how much of a monster LCW and LD is, however props to the young player to even defeat those two monsters on several occasions
100%, you can see from both of them dominating and having longer careers than the younger players meant to succeed them that those two were truly on another level
Thank you for making this!!! This was so insightful and impactful :”) Both respect and in awe of their hard work but bittersweet for their losses in health and career :(
Glad you enjoyed it! Thought they deserved some recognition
@@Pingbo97 make one on simon santoso
What a tribute bro.
Thanks for the video
What about Du Pengyu? He reached the final at the Denmark and Indonesia open 2012, Korea open final and WC semifinal in 2013. In 2 of these matches he been defeated by LCW in 3 hard-fought sets
Soul-crushing, I don't know how they had the will to continue after those injuries knowing how good they could have been
Xue Song is the only China player who was close to Lin Dan’s smoothness, speed and tactical on court, but so unfortunately injury permanently shut his Badminton career.
He would have destroyed Kento, Axelson them all.
Xue Song was leading Kento Momota when he retired injury and he never was able to come back to competition since then.
Xue Song is way far better than Shi Yuqi.
what was Xue Song injury and what was his age then ?
@@upward_onward He's knee injury was detrimental if I remember correctly; and he was born in 1994.
Xue song is a huge loss for china ms, its always sad to see athletes retire because injury prob
Injuries destroy alot of great players before they could be recognized. Look at the Chinese doubles pair Liu Xiaolong and Qiu Zihan.
Thank you for noticing Tien Houwei and making this video. I like him but too lazy to make a clip like this~
Thanks for putting a nice video of them two. I’ve always liked Tain’s game and wondered why has he not played or where has gone.
I remember the period Lcw is still playing. China, Indonesia , Japan and India have tons of new men's singles players while we only Lcw. I remember Chong wei feng, Daren liew and Iskandar zulkarnian. We even have Zulfadli as world junior champion and Soo teck zhi Asian junior champion. After that all didn't turn up good till Lzj comes in the scene. Fast forward China who is just like Malaysia is also struggling to find replacement .
I had high hope for Iskandar. When he first show up , he showed great spirit but years after years, his gameplay did not change at all.
So far only Denmark able to get the torch relay from Paul Erik to Viktor Axelsen. The other like Indonesia still struggling, China also struggling, Malaysia has a good potential for LzJ. You won’t find a legendary player every decade.
@@beruangloncat actually Shi yuqi is improving a lot since Denmark open when he beat Lzj. But at least for Malaysia eventhough Lzj didn't perform well but at least we had Ng tze yong .
We need more of this. Feature players like Bao Chunlai, Chen Jin, Chen Hong, Xia Xuanze
etc.
This is the reason why 'injury' scared athletes the most
Xue seems a great potential but unlucky with career threatening injuries.
so happy to find someone who view the same.... if they didn't retire early due to injuries, today is their kingdoms
Unique perspective to look at era under Lin and Lee.👍👌
Nooooooo Xue song don’t leave us 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
Also bad timing if you were Male badminton player during prime Lin Dan, LCW and Chen Long. Same as Federer, Jokovich and Nadal.
Innovative content 🔥
You want to know why the competition has been dead for Chinese Men's single? It's bc Chinese coaches are going abroad and teaching everyone and bc there's great video quality for studying how opponents play now. Everyone is on the same lvl playing field now.
I saw tian a lot of time, he was a really good player with precision and shot selection... But lcw and LD was on another level at that time, which take careers of many potential players.
Some of my friends say if LCW had not retired due to nose cancer, LZJ would not have risen.
This video so power full, behind one succesfull athlete there are many disappointed Player
badminton at the pinnacle level is extremely competitive. there can only be one or two players that a nation will develop. Especially china. Out of billions and billions of people in china, they recruit. and out of those only a handful are selected to train. It's true, when you're born in the age of LD, LCW, you're in no luck. CL was very closed to be eclipsed by LD, but eventually came up on top. posing to be a worthy opponent to lcw. Same thing can be said to malaysia. how many people couldn't reach their full potential because of lcw.
That being said, i cannot say if there was an alternate universe, where LD didn't exist, will these two players reach the legendary level of LD or CL. These are legends. Once every 10000 years :)
Tian HouWei always had phenomenal footwork and athleticism but his play lacked the creativity or breakthrough skills that other players would have (LCW's speed, Chen Long's defense, Axelsen's height/attack etc) but you could always tell he was a very hardworking player who would be ready to grind down his opponents with sheer will
Axelsen's breakthrough skills is genetics lol 😆
@@joeybiden9582 if it’s genetics, why isn’t popov a top 10 player ? Same height as Axelsen.
@@AgentJ2007 just because one didn’t know how to use a God-given advantage doesn’t mean he didn’t have it.
@@KeithHiew u missed the point. There are other players with same/similar height to a Axelsen such as popov, mark caljouw, Toby penty, Jan louda. However, none of them is anywhere near Axelsen’s level which proves that it’s not just about genetics alone. Axelsen is an exception not the rule.
@@AgentJ2007 axelsen has a strong will, and he does have creativity in his shot
Amazing video. I wonder, where did you get that Xue Song interview?
I found it on TH-cam, at th-cam.com/video/Zqg-SLi_y6M/w-d-xo.html
@@Pingbo97 thanks!
it's very unlucky to have a career running against not 1 legend but 4 legends (LD, LCW, TH, CL)
I commented on one video of Badminton Finder exactly about this. About how Chinese' men singles are on a downfall with an injured, non-passionate Shi Yuqi; 2 left handers Zhao Jun Peng and Weng Hong Yang who look promising but their pace and overall skills are just 5/10 compared to the legend Lin Dan. Lu Guang Zu and Huang Yiu Xiang doesn't look any better either
I like tian houwei so bad, he was so aggressive but in a era of superdefender such as ld lcw cl it was so hard .
Xue Song makes badminton tutorials videos now
🥺 absolutely right
They had 2 Hugh wall right in front of them.
if you play with same level it look interesting game until you meet the stronger opponent
Injuries man injuries 😭
The winner takes it all
Xue 😢
You forgot to mention Wang zengming he was also a good young player
I left Wang out of the list because he’s actually just a year younger than Chen Long, so I didn’t consider him part of a younger generation than him. But agreed he had a lot of potential given his success at the junior level and it never translated into WC medals or many major titles
Lakshya sen in action to replace Srikanth Kidambi from India
This is proof not easy to emulate the great LD and LCW
whenever I saw their competitor looking at an injured person during the match, I felt sad for the sportsmanship spirit to only look by the other side of the court but not going directly toward their opponent!!! (this is just my opinion, in case you have negative thoughts on my opinion, please reply and tell me if am I wrong or not?)
I believe there are rules that prevent players from crossing.
It does seem a bit odd especially considering how other players have typically reacted recently when their opponents get injured. This is before his suspension for gambling though when he was still young so maybe he improved his character in the past few years?
Yes,,there are rules that prevent non referee to coming close. Even the coach
I'm sure most players at the top level are very compassionate towards their rivals when they are injured and would instantly check on them if they could. But as others have mentioned, there are rules for approaching a player on court that disallow it
@@Pingbo97 yeahhh I think so. they may wait for the umpire to response, I guess; whether they can go to see their opponent or not!
Malaysia LZJ 🔥🇲🇾💪
Both are handsome too ❤
Lin dan didn't let any other Chinese(or even world) badminton player to rise to top from 2004-2014
Lin Guipu?
Both of them aren't lin dan's generation at all
We can't say that bcz Zhao JunPeg , Lu Guang Zu are accelerating to the top 10.Within years they will conquer every podiums..
I doubt that actually. The only one I would say looks the most promising rn is Weng Hong Yang, he is fast and has deadly smashes, also has fairly good defenses. Whereas Lu Guang Zu playstyle is a bit too textbook with no real weapons. This generation values players that has special attacking abilities like Axelsen or Lee Zi Jia. Momota's style is out of date, Zhao Jung Peng is weak in attack and a bit slow even though he has same height range as Chen Long who has amazing speed
Lost generation has gone Tiktoking.
Pak de?
Xue song and kento momota are the unluckiest players.
Hong kong or taiwan should have absorbed them into their national teams
Tian maybe, I think Xue was actually too injured to keep playing. Also don’t know if there’s precedent for someone leaving the Chinese 1st team for Taiwan/Hong Kong - only one I can think of is Hu Yun and he might have been provincial in China or something like that
@@Pingbo97 Zhou Mi left the Chinese national team for Hong Kong. She was a former world number 1 with a Bronze at Athens, Silver at 2001 WC etc.
@@nomad.wedding thanks for the explanation, didn’t know that!
WEI Nan is another example. He used to play for the China National Team from Sichuan province.
Same as LCW, overshadowed by these 2
I would say LCW was overshadowed at the world championship/Olympic level by LD and CL but still had abundant success in every other aspect of his career, vs XS/THW both looking like they were the next big thing in 2013 before fizzling out
Huh?Lcw won more super series than your finger and toes combined. Imho, he is the best fighter coming back from nose cancer and still regained his world number 1 ranking
@@puregale How Many Olympic *"Gold"* ? How Many Asian Games *"Gold"* ?? Or How many World Championship *"Gold"* ??? 🤔
Even Polii is more Accomplished in Major Tournament than Him and whether you like it or not that's a *"FACT"* 🤫🤫
@@mr.z6252 if your life is only about achievements , then I feel sad for you
@@puregale Noo... you're the sad one right here, because you haven't achieve anything in Live 🤣🤣🤣
Not only the MS but the WS players as well r all in decline. With the exception of Chen Yu Fei who is definitely world class the rest ms n ws players r just average players no more no less.
This is so sad
These two chinese player have a great ability in men single. So sad, this player didnt play for long of his career. What the wasting talent..
To make Chin's top 100 is as difficult as to make top 3 of any Country.
Song xue once defeat Taufik.
Not to mention wang Zhengming
What Momota doing when he saw his opponent lay down with injury? Where's his sportmanship? The respect?
What is this youtube commentor doing when he just saw an incomplete snapshot window of a situation before making a judgement about a person's reputation? Where is his discernment? The disrespect?
There are rules for approaching a player on court that disallow Momota to check in on him
in summary, they cant pass internal nor are they able to compete world wide. cannot make it.
You could say that, but there’s a role that injuries/being passed over to compete in the Olympics because of the 2 player per country rule that ended their careers prematurely so that now there’s a gap between Chen Long and Shi Yuqi where Chinese MS hasn’t been dominant
Born at the wrong time.
Wang Zhengming is a wasted talent too.