Watching this episode, it felt like Thatcher was expecting the weekend at Balmoral to be a working weekend where she and the Queen would spend all day going through the Red Boxes
@@arynrowland862 Thatcher was a workaholic who did not know how to relax. The BRF .... reflect the British people European royals have always poked fun at the BRF's "middle class" attitudes. Because they sat through the Highland games and spent so much time visiting the "common" people.
Gillian Anderson's expression in this scene reminds me of a quote about Thatcher attributed to French president François Mitterrand: "She had the lips of Marilyn Monroe and the eyes of Caligula".
@@andrewnorth6472 Nah he would never have done that. Keep in mind he respected her, despite the disagreements. He was a strong support for her during Falklands. Also he would have avoided that, because the risk of some backfire regarding his own past during WWII would have been too strong.
Mitterrand was a commie dressed in silk stockings who defended Italian communist terrorists who killed civilians from being routinely prosecuted. Not a good choice of politician to quote indeed.
Joining the eu, destroying british workers rights and evangelising global capitalism with free movement of labour and capital. Hardly anything wrong with this country that wasnt down to her.
I love how she and Dennis says the Royal Family are boorish, snobbish, and rude, while they are there sneering at the traditions and the Royals interacting with the common people and they’re sticking in the VIP tent
I am American so the RF has nothing to do with me at all. However, I always found it so nice that the RF spent time to speak with the people and interact with them. They don’t ignore them and float above it all. They shakes hands with the people, go to events, and speak to them. They are still Royal and carry themselves as such, but I always thought that was nice
Because she didn't want to tromp around in cold, muddy land; killing any thing & everything. Staying in a cold old castle with furniture you couldn't sit in because it was "Queen Victorias" Well get rid of the worn out chair. She was the Prime Minister. How dare the "royals" test her. For what. The joy of snickering. Because nothing better to do.
Diana was able to pass the challenge because she was already an aristocrat and grew up around the royal family and their staff. Her grandmother was a lady of the bedchamber to the Queen Mother. It would have been more remarkable if she hadn't known how to behave. Thatcher, on the other hand, was from a lower middle-class background and didn't know the unspoken assumptions and rituals of aristocrats.
@@joshuaclement1161 It was "remarkable" how the devious Diana fooled Charles and the royal family ( except for Princess Ann ) when Diana pretended to enjoy Balmoral. I'm guessing Diana is officially a grown woman now and at 19 a woman just has to do what she has to do to get that title of Princess of Wales. Poor Charlie - people don't see his side. What a selfish, stubborn and spoiled shrew Diana was!!
@@joshuaclement1161Diana passed the test because her father and stepmother tutored on what to say and do. They never bothered to wonder how she'd cope with being expected to go traipsing through wet heather on _every_ holiday when she'd rather be shopping in Knightsbridge.
This scene gets to the very contradiction at the heart of Thatcher the woman, and Thatcherism the doctrine. She might have lead the tory party and been an arch defender of established interests, yet also as an aspiring lower middle class woman with drive and ambitions in life way way beyond her station, she was also an outsider both within the tory party, and an usurper within the British class system. She was at the same time both a part of the establishment and tory party, but with her political philosophy of free market neo-liberalism, the value of hard work, and self reliance, also the very antithesis of it.
"Arch defender of established interests"? That would include the massive dictatorial labour unions and nationalised industries. She certainly was not THEIR "arch defender". I guess you mean she didnt want to expropriate private property even of the aristocracy. That is true. WAY beyond her station? As you correctly, say "lower middle class", but this is different from working class. Her father was an independent shop-keeper, local Alderman, and official in the Methodist church. Ted Heath was working class. Jim Callaghan the same. THEY are the ones who defended established interests. It just makes clear that a society can't neatly be divided into working class and rich gentry. There are many levels. Dennis showed this too. Took over a small prosperous family paint manufacture business. Went to prep school but not university. Military officer.
@@afritimm Yep. That is something the left does NOT want to hear, that there are these nuances, these contradictions in society. Funny enough some of the worst left wing disruptors came also from the lower middle class, like Karl Marx, Lenin, Stalin, Mao Zedong...
@@icecoldpolitics8890 Preposterous. She greatly expanded the middle class. It was Blair that destroyed Britain with historically unprecedented mass migration 10X more than anything previous, not least among cultures virulently hostile to Britain.
@@here_we_go_again2571 "Lady" Diana pretended to enjoy Balmoral before she married Charles. Poor Charles fell for this! After they were married Diana had to be dragged to Scotland! Shy Di was sly Di. What a phoney!!!
They’re wanna be country folk, as evident that none of them know how to actually cook. Prince Philip being the exception but that’s cuz he was born to family that was exiled and had to learn those skills
Yeah the writing for Thatcher was awful. It was even more awful seeing one of my favorite actresses, Gillian Anderson portray Thatcher the way it was written. I don’t get me wrong, I’m far from a fan of Thatcher, but she was so much more nuanced and complex than how the Crown portrayed her
Even if she was Royalist, it doesn’t mean she liked the Queen on a personal level or even agreed with what she would do on an official one. Thatcher was a traditionalist, she preferred English traditions and how things should be done. She wasn’t nuanced or complicated, she was arrogant and cruel, I think this portrayal was pretty accurate. Thatcher was very one dimensional in her views.
@@maxr5799speaking as a non British and fully aware that they may have wanted to portray her in a negative way, I think she was ultimately portrayed brilliantly as a genius and hard working woman, as a public servant with a deep sense of duty and honor who understood capitalism and the free world, and the role of the West, as a brave politician, as delightfully eloquent and as one of the best leaders of our times.
It's more that she can't stand the view that the queen was interacting with common folk traditions, when she should obviously be in her palace, away from the trash, and be constantly at work to better make Britain a superpower again, and be in pomp and circumstances than human.
My friend's grandmother was in the same class at school as Thatcher, and despite Margaret always telling the electorate how much of an 'ordinary person' she was, at school she constantly reminded every other pupil how much better she was than they were. Doubt there was a day in thatchers life she ever believed she was ordinary...
But she wasn't "ordinary", was she? She - a woman - became Prime Minister in 1979 - 45 years ago - and served in that office for over 11 years. That is an extraordinary achievement. The only other woman to do it since resigned after 50 days of completely cocking it up. I disagree with many of Thatcher's policy positions (though not all) but she was anything but "ordinary". And in my time on this Earth what I have learned is that many "ordinary" people resent extraordinary ones. Was it she herself who reminded them that she was not ordinary or what it her mere presence among them that highlighted for them that they are, in fact, ordinary? Thatcher went to Oxford, became a chemist, entered politics, Became an MP, eventually rising to the position of Prime Minister, survived a terrorist bombing undeterred, and won a war everyone told her was unwinnable. She was, no matter what anything thinks of her or her politics, truly extraordinary.
Well the BRF have to be politically neutral and each have their own duties to attend to, whereas running the government and country was Thatcher's job.
Royals getting involved in politics? They aren't usually allowed to do that. Everyone would get mad. That's why the Parliament represents the Crown these days.
@@Rovers1882 same here, from Liverpool. Thatcher seemed to delight in isolating the most interesting, culturally distinct aspects of Britain and saying "Kill that." Her policies doomed Liverpool to a lost decade of neglect and misery in the '80s
Margaret was very much a workaholic with no time for frivolity. History has been kinder to her than I expected to be honest, I remember how bad the country was before she got in. The unions really underestimated her, especially Arthur Scargill. He made a lot of sense but was so strident you only heard his voice not his message. He also called a miners strike in the summer, when the government had so much coal stockpiled they were able to starve him out. He might have had more success in the winter, but Thatcher had already put contingency plans in place if the miners strike continued for too long. She was playing Chess when he hadn't even seen the board.
This was such a good episode- I always saw it as the episode that sort of lifted the veil on Thatcher's eyes re: the BRF and how they are, how they act, and what they enjoy. Obviously she was a "monarchist" in the sense that she supported a system as it was, but you can see how Thatcher struggles to connect with them, and even the queen throughout this season. Dennis calling it half-Scottish half-Germanic coocoo land killed me 😂 Dennis mentioned a few different times about them being Germans which was hilarious, since a lot of these traditions (like attending the games) date back to Queen Victoria's time-ofc Victoria was British through and through, but she was a stolid German in over ways. Thatcher looking for sophistication, culture, elegance is a riot because it's probably what a lot of people would think of / expect from the BRF (and to be fair, there are members that do have those things! I'd never say that Princess Margaret wasn't cultured or elegant, for instance) but probably not how they are in real life. After this episode, the one with the South African sanctions is second best: the little verbal jabs that Thatcher and the Queen get into, when Thatcher mentions where/what she came from is amazing. I loved Olivia's QEII, it's a shift from Claire Foy's young queen, and the older queen played by Imelda Staunton is a shift from Olivia's.
Margaret Thatcher saying all these spiteful things about the royals and upper class and then performing one deep curtsy after another shortly after, as the royals come up to take their seats is such an amazing visual contradiction! What a character says and what they do are 2 different things! Love it!!!
While Thatcher comes across as grumpy and bigoted here, her point is that she's a very busy woman running a government and is frustrated that she's sitting watching what is essentially a country fair when she has a million things to do in London. Also, is it Scotland and the Scottish she's being critical of, or the royals and their (what seems to her) pointless activities?
And one of the benefits of having a parliamentary system is supposed to be that the figurehead head of state is supposed to do all the feel-good ceremonial stuff like this, and the actual head of government is freed up to do the actual running of government executive affairs. While the President of the United States (which merges both roles) has to spend time pardoning turkeys and throwing out the first pitch of the baseball season etc.
Thatcher couldn't see the value of taking a few hours off for a cultural event of one of the constituent countries (Scotland) of the nation she was charged with leading, which strikes me as deeply myopic and anti-humanistic. No wonder her tenure was a disaster for many millions of people.
A bit strange for the Thatchers to lambaste this event as 'half-Germanic, half-Scottish' - when we English are ourselves a strange blend of German and Celtic influences. It certainly doesn't paint them in a very flattering light to be so judgemental and bigoted.
remember this is fictional. I truly doubt she said anything like this just like how the Lord Mountbatten plot of forming a coup was based on rumours not reality.
i love margaret thatcher so much, when i was a little girl she was my inspiration and i wrote a ton of essays about her. a true lover of her country and people.
Tv shows have writers. Writers are ALMOST ALWAYS on the left. Leftists will always portray those in the Right poorly. (Also the average age of writers on this tv show means they were likely either not alive, or not adults during the time when Thatcher was prime minister.)
@freemason4979 and mishandled it in the worst way possible, and not just her. Diana also noticed the bread and circuses, and also mishandled it in her own way. Thatcher:taking them away led to a widespread financial crises that many low to average citizens still never fully recovered to this day. Diana: gave herself over to the circuses so much, that the people never did stop chasing her up until all the way up to her car accident.
Wow, there is a real through line with Thatcher. She thought of these people the same way she thought of people in Africa. Everyone was just beneath her, and that what they did was stupid. The Queen pointing out her hypocrisy of praising the Monarchy while rejecting similar institutions in other countries of the Common Wealth. It really is little wonder the world we live in is so hard given this is the kind of person who wanted it. If someone so hates community and culture of her own people and others then the creation of sterile glass, concrete, endless cubicles, and isolated people makes sense. Neo-liberalism is messed up, and just devoid of any real humanity. Frivolous as this may seem, this is living, and community. People can't be endlessly productive drones at the whims of their masters forever.
The show's portrayal of Thatcher was anything but subtle. It was ham-handed and unconvincing. And I don't think it's required for a good leader to be sentimental or emotional about "the people." She was driven by the desire to make Britain great again after the collapse of its empire, which would naturally benefit the people.
Thatcher could not understand not working for even a weekend -- and sitting and watching "games". She was a workaholic. It was not in her constitution.
The royal one would never be addressed just as Margaret but Princess Margaret whereas Thatcher would be addressed just Margaret or in other terms, The Iron Lady
The miniature is an image of Margaret Thatcher and, as someone else has pointed out, Elizabeth's sister would never be formally referred to as Margaret, but rather as Princes Margaret, so I think there's enough context for any reasonable person to understand the title refers to the Prime Minister and not the Queen's sister.
@@e.leohassanmodeste756but colloquially, including by fans of the show, people refer to the royals without their title. As for government officials, people usually refer to them by their last names. I’ve never heard Margaret Thatcher regarded as “Margaret” publicly; only as “Thatcher”.
Margaret Thatcher herself seemed borish, snobbish, and rude in this scene. I can’t stand how she judges other people in this scene and looked down on everyone else like she was better than everyone else. If people aren’t like her, then there is something wrong with them. Margaret Thatcher was uptight and narrow minded in this scene. She should have sat back and tried to enjoy the festivities with an open mind, like the royal family and others did.
"It was like being addressed by the Nuremberg Rally," NZ PM David Lange on being told off by Thatcher. She was deeply offended when she heard it later.
A lot of people lost their jobs in the name of her reforms. The poll tax idea was not popular. A lot of her reforms are causing issues today- like a lot of councils are broke because she capped how much money they could raise
You can hardly blame Thatcher for her opinion. Like her or hate her, Margaret Thatcher got to where she was, Prime Minister by working hard, not wasting time on nonsense and never suffering fools from the people around her. She got to where she was by merit and dedication to her work. The common daughter of a grocer, she put herself through school and worked hard for what she had to ascend to the position of Prime Minister by herself, so its not unreasonable for her, a workaholic , to see all this pageantry and ceremony as a waste of time.
This isn't pageantry it's a Highland Games. Thatcher did not pay for her university degree which would have been entirely taxpayer funded. And this is a TV show. The real Thatcher was much more a country woman than made out here.
Looks like there's some real skill to it, too. I have no idea how a man can toss an entire log like that without hurting himself. It's really quite impressive!
We're going to the Scottish Games in Altamont, NY on Aug. 31 and Sept. 1st. My husband used to be in the Leatherstocking Pipe Band and it was so wonderful to see all the bands perform together. We visited Scotland this past May-June. What a beautiful country with friendly, warm and courteous people!
Lol - she then went on to accept a life peerage and before that she created a *hereditary* baronetcy for her husband and his successors. To put that into context, only three non-royal hereditary titles have been created in the UK in the last sixty years. And Denis Thatcher was one of them. If she actually did sneer at the royals and their traditions and status she was a bit of a hypocrite.
It used to be standard practice to give a hereditary title to a long-serving PM. Last was Harold Macmillan, who was created Earl of Stockton at his retirement. His grandson holds the title now. The Queen offered Churchill a dukedom, but he declined it.
*She distills all that is wrong with the monarchy. But in reality, she was happy to become a baroness. Too much of a romanticised version of the "Iron Lady."*
I don't think this is the intended impression. Thatcher was never anti-monarchy, she just saw the aristocratic class as weak-willed wets who let the country go the wrong way.
I mean it's kind of expounding on her perspective, that there were very very few actual competent powers in our society. And that a great period of reform would be required to properly remove them and reset the social hierarchy. Her ideas were sound. She was correct in her assessment of people who were supposed to be her peers, and they're people we all still agree today are bad leaders... Her only issue was that she pushed it too hard when she had basically no allies, none in her party or the opposition, nor in the media or public or monarchy. But she was right. About all of it and all of them. Her one single flaw was pushing it without support, but she only had no support because of how corrupt all other powerful figures were and still are.
@@Kvltklassik tbh I feel she is more reviled because neo-librialism her main ideology failed to deliver the wealth to the masses it promised and only really succeeded in swapping one upper class for another. The power just went to corporate elitists over aristocrat elitists. And the workers suffered arguably worse.
I believe Margaret Thatcher thought thr monarchy should be more political. She forgets that Parliament is politics, the monarchs are embassadors to the commonwealth.
Yes, they made the character far too wooden and singularly minded which of course she was in politics but there is plenty of evidence as to her softer side.
@@growinsane9123 I think PM Thatcher would have been careful and cautious with the media around and microphones would pick up everything. Scotland is a major part of the UK! Thatcher and her husband would have probably liked the fresh air and games and sports events for the day. I doubt Thatcher and her husband Denis said these insensitive things.
@@growinsane9123the creators of the show apparently have had a particular persuasion in politics, including, among other things, supposedly republicanism.
No: there was an excellent book recently by a university professor solely devotee to the vexed topic of the Queen and Maggie's interaction. It was much worse than can be surmised, and giving tge OM etc to Maggie on her way out was the Establishmemts way of effectively silencing her and sweeping things under the carpet. Buck House and No. 10 were basically at loggerheads for the entire 11 years of Maggie's tenure.
@@JoeLondon-te3hf and I suppose her ceremonial funeral with full military honours and the Queen’s attendance at said funeral was designed to silence her from beyond the grave?!!
@@JamesDevereuxWebber Parliament and the government of the day determine who is entitled to what sort of public funeral. The Queen's attendance can't be taken as a measure of her personal feelings either way. If her ministers advise her to attend, she must follow their advice.
@@joshuaclement1161 actually that is not correct. Parliament is only required to vote in favour of granting a STATE funeral. CEREMONIAL funerals only require the consent of the monarch who may or may not be advised by the Government of the day. Monarchs themselves are an exception as the right to a State Funeral is automatic in their case. In terms of Baroness Thatcher, the late Queen’s attendance was not presumed.
Don’t you know it’s the current year, we’ve progressed so much. Yeah, sure we have. We’re still the same tribalistic humans we always were, it’s just instead of nations we have other vessels to occupy us. And the world ain’t doing too good right now. P.S. If this is a joke, then please ignore my comment.
Never underestimate the subconscious resilience of class or race. These instincts are embedded over thousands of years and still impact our lives in 2024z
Her assessment was right but her attempts only made the system stronger(I don't mean just gov't)...same thing happened in the US under Reagan and Clinton.
Given the presence of the US and Canadian flags, this must have been some international event. Maggie needs to lighten up. She is the rude snobbish boorish one, not the people she is watching.
If this really do reflect what Margaret Thatcher thought of the royals, I would say there was a lot still to come that would disprove her ideas. After 70 years of service as Queen and additional years as a princess, Queen Elizabeth II swore in a new prime minister aged 96 when she was clearly extremely frail and, as we later found out, two days away from the conclusion of a long terminal illness. The day before she died, she was bed-bound and working on her last task, the honours list.
They really were. At least from the show's perspective. They were all incredibly rude to her and to Diana. They expected people to know where to sit, how to curtsy, whom to curtsy to first, what to wear for casual drinks versus dinner. I thought the entire family treated anyone not in the family abhorrently.
@CobraRedstone It is upper-class, lmao. It's a throwback to when the Clans ruled the Highlands. Queen Elizabeth is a direct descendant from the House of Stuart and every Scottish Monarchy. The Royals are rightly fulfilling their royal duty to Scotland. But it's still upper-class. Scotland is probably the most aristocratic country in the world. Thatcher isn't attacking it for the class... she is simply a middle-class English woman. Who became Prime Minister, and she is struggling to understand why the monarchy is partaking in Medieval games when the country needs serious governance
Gillian's Thatcher started as a caricature but gradually became a great piece of work. Difficult for non Brit to get into that skin. In the end she even got the handbag clutching walk down. However the all time best Thatcher was the Spitting Image version. The eyes of Caligula indeed !
I’m not British, so I have no idea what it was like under Thatcher’s premiership. At the same time, I understand what she is getting at here. She came from a working class background, as opposed to the royals, and she found satisfaction in working hard. Not to mention she came from a Christian family, which means she also learned, “If anyone is not willing to work, let him not eat.” She found purpose in her work, which is why she didn’t feel normal just sitting around enjoying a cultural event. Which also shows how she became a workaholic. Yes, she seams snobby but that’s primarily because she feels out of place and useless because she’s not doing anything that she considers important. She embodies what happens when you overemphasize work and not value rest.
many people hate Thatcher because she cut subsidies for the mining and steel industry which left many people unemployed .... the problem is that thouse subsidies where so expensive that they bankrupted Britain so effectively ther was no choice then to get rid of them if she wouldn´t have done it the IMF would have
I bet queen Vic would've agreed with Thatcher here, and on most other issues as well... The two best arguments for universal suffrage, or perhaps the only ones. Queen Vic and the good old Iron Lady, where's good folk like them in times like these.
I fully realize that The Crown was a partially fictionalized dramatization of Elizabeth II's reign. That said, I think Gillian Anderson was spot on in her portrayal of that absolute witch of a Prime Minister. Thatcher was arrogant, snobbish, and ruthless. While we should not speak ill of the dead, good riddance to bad rubbish when her time as PM was up.
@@Duquedecastro What is doubtful? That she was a conservative or that it’s the reason she was “painted” like this? Almost like conservatives aren’t good people.
@@ChrisJohnson-ww4vs They want to make her out to be a monster because she was a conservative. Conservatives are some of the best people all over the world.
Watching this episode, it felt like Thatcher was expecting the weekend at Balmoral to be a working weekend where she and the Queen would spend all day going through the Red Boxes
Probably a better use of time than the usual royal minutiae.
@@arynrowland862
Thatcher was a workaholic
who did not know how to
relax. The BRF .... reflect
the British people European
royals have always poked
fun at the BRF's "middle class"
attitudes. Because they sat
through the Highland games
and spent so much time
visiting the "common" people.
The show is depicting Thatcher as a revolutionary here and I think there's truth to that.
It was the end of the post-war consensus.
@boscovilante4068 People always assume Tories are fervent Royalists. But they're not. They hate the idea that we have a non-politucal head of state.
I love how the husband finished her sentences, describing things she struggles to express.
It says a lot about their relationship
Which wasnt remotely the truth. This is all caricature.
Gillian Anderson's expression in this scene reminds me of a quote about Thatcher attributed to French president François Mitterrand: "She had the lips of Marilyn Monroe and the eyes of Caligula".
I've always thought that Mitterrand wanted to say 'the eyes of Hitler' but didn't dare to go that far.
@@andrewnorth6472 Nah he would never have done that. Keep in mind he respected her, despite the disagreements. He was a strong support for her during Falklands.
Also he would have avoided that, because the risk of some backfire regarding his own past during WWII would have been too strong.
@@andrewnorth6472 Thatcher was a negligent, divisive leader but definitely no Hitler. That man was a different kind of crazy.
@@andrewnorth6472Let’s not trivialise the Nazis..
Mitterrand was a commie dressed in silk stockings who defended Italian communist terrorists who killed civilians from being routinely prosecuted.
Not a good choice of politician to quote indeed.
The ominous music that swells with “top to bottom” seems to suggest Thatcher’s plotting some sort of revolution. 😂
She just fucked everything up with neo-liberalism is all
Joining the eu, destroying british workers rights and evangelising global capitalism with free movement of labour and capital. Hardly anything wrong with this country that wasnt down to her.
In a way, she was
And she did, she changed the cabinet 😅
And she was. Even the Queen said it herself: The country, after Tatcher, would never be the same.
I love how she and Dennis says the Royal Family are boorish, snobbish, and rude, while they are there sneering at the traditions and the Royals interacting with the common people and they’re sticking in the VIP tent
I am American so the RF has nothing to do with me at all. However, I always found it so nice that the RF spent time to speak with the people and interact with them. They don’t ignore them and float above it all. They shakes hands with the people, go to events, and speak to them. They are still Royal and carry themselves as such, but I always thought that was nice
Worth remembering it's not a documentary.
The worst part about Margaret Thatcher was her hypocrisy.
Worth remembering we were in Cold War
The worst part about Margaret Thatcher was the hypocrisy.
The Balmoral Test, perhaps my favorite S4 episode. Loved the juxtaposition of Thatcher and Diana handling the challenge.
Because she didn't want to tromp around in cold, muddy land; killing any thing & everything. Staying in a cold old castle with furniture you couldn't sit in because it was "Queen Victorias" Well get rid of the worn out chair. She was the Prime Minister. How dare the "royals" test her. For what. The joy of snickering. Because nothing better to do.
Indeed! Diana had a modicum of charisma and respect for people as human beings. Margaret on the other hand...
Diana was able to pass the challenge because she was already an aristocrat and grew up around the royal family and their staff. Her grandmother was a lady of the bedchamber to the Queen Mother. It would have been more remarkable if she hadn't known how to behave. Thatcher, on the other hand, was from a lower middle-class background and didn't know the unspoken assumptions and rituals of aristocrats.
@@joshuaclement1161 It was "remarkable" how the devious Diana fooled Charles and the royal family ( except for Princess Ann ) when Diana pretended to enjoy Balmoral. I'm guessing Diana is officially a grown woman now and at 19 a woman just has to do what she has to do to get that title of Princess of Wales. Poor Charlie - people don't see his side. What a selfish, stubborn and spoiled shrew Diana was!!
@@joshuaclement1161Diana passed the test because her father and stepmother tutored on what to say and do. They never bothered to wonder how she'd cope with being expected to go traipsing through wet heather on _every_ holiday when she'd rather be shopping in Knightsbridge.
This scene gets to the very contradiction at the heart of Thatcher the woman, and Thatcherism the doctrine.
She might have lead the tory party and been an arch defender of established interests, yet also as an aspiring lower middle class woman with drive and ambitions in life way way beyond her station, she was also an outsider both within the tory party, and an usurper within the British class system.
She was at the same time both a part of the establishment and tory party, but with her political philosophy of free market neo-liberalism, the value of hard work, and self reliance, also the very antithesis of it.
"Arch defender of established interests"? That would include the massive dictatorial labour unions and nationalised industries. She certainly was not THEIR "arch defender". I guess you mean she didnt want to expropriate private property even of the aristocracy. That is true.
WAY beyond her station? As you correctly, say "lower middle class", but this is different from working class. Her father was an independent shop-keeper, local Alderman, and official in the Methodist church. Ted Heath was working class. Jim Callaghan the same. THEY are the ones who defended established interests.
It just makes clear that a society can't neatly be divided into working class and rich gentry. There are many levels. Dennis showed this too.
Took over a small prosperous family paint manufacture business. Went to prep school but not university. Military officer.
@@afritimm Yep. That is something the left does NOT want to hear, that there are these nuances, these contradictions in society. Funny enough some of the worst left wing disruptors came also from the lower middle class, like Karl Marx, Lenin, Stalin, Mao Zedong...
usurper has to be the ugliest word i've ever seen!
she also effectively destroyed the middle class in england and her policies are still crippling the UK to this very day.
@@icecoldpolitics8890
Preposterous. She greatly expanded the middle class. It was Blair that destroyed Britain with historically unprecedented mass migration 10X more than anything previous, not least among cultures virulently hostile to Britain.
The Royal Family were country folk and Thatcher was a city women. Diana even though a Aristocrat was also a city women.
Diana grew up in the country. She
had her own class consciousness
but she did not deplore the common
people. *Thatcher was a snob*
@@here_we_go_again2571 "Lady" Diana pretended to enjoy Balmoral before she married Charles. Poor Charles fell for this! After they were married Diana had to be dragged to Scotland! Shy Di was sly Di. What a phoney!!!
@user-sz4hp6kz8c Indeed.
They’re wanna be country folk, as evident that none of them know how to actually cook. Prince Philip being the exception but that’s cuz he was born to family that was exiled and had to learn those skills
What? Thatcher was from Grantham, Lincolnshire (pop. 44,500).
This scene makes it look as though Thatcher had no respect for The Queen which was totally untrue. She was 100% a Royalist.
Yeah the writing for Thatcher was awful. It was even more awful seeing one of my favorite actresses, Gillian Anderson portray Thatcher the way it was written.
I don’t get me wrong, I’m far from a fan of Thatcher, but she was so much more nuanced and complex than how the Crown portrayed her
Even if she was Royalist, it doesn’t mean she liked the Queen on a personal level or even agreed with what she would do on an official one. Thatcher was a traditionalist, she preferred English traditions and how things should be done.
She wasn’t nuanced or complicated, she was arrogant and cruel, I think this portrayal was pretty accurate. Thatcher was very one dimensional in her views.
@@maxr5799speaking as a non British and fully aware that they may have wanted to portray her in a negative way, I think she was ultimately portrayed brilliantly as a genius and hard working woman, as a public servant with a deep sense of duty and honor who understood capitalism and the free world, and the role of the West, as a brave politician, as delightfully eloquent and as one of the best leaders of our times.
It makes her look like she has no respect for Scottish tradition.
It's more that she can't stand the view that the queen was interacting with common folk traditions, when she should obviously be in her palace, away from the trash, and be constantly at work to better make Britain a superpower again, and be in pomp and circumstances than human.
She played the hell out of this role. A true icon.
My friend's grandmother was in the same class at school as Thatcher, and despite Margaret always telling the electorate how much of an 'ordinary person' she was, at school she constantly reminded every other pupil how much better she was than they were. Doubt there was a day in thatchers life she ever believed she was ordinary...
Shut up, your friend’s grandma probably became a loser drunk whereas Thatcher became a PM….
“My friends grandmothers sisters cousins aunt said thatcher was a B” lol. Ok.
I mean whatever you think of her she certainly wasn't ordinary even if she came from ordinary beginnings.
But she wasn't "ordinary", was she? She - a woman - became Prime Minister in 1979 - 45 years ago - and served in that office for over 11 years. That is an extraordinary achievement. The only other woman to do it since resigned after 50 days of completely cocking it up. I disagree with many of Thatcher's policy positions (though not all) but she was anything but "ordinary". And in my time on this Earth what I have learned is that many "ordinary" people resent extraordinary ones. Was it she herself who reminded them that she was not ordinary or what it her mere presence among them that highlighted for them that they are, in fact, ordinary? Thatcher went to Oxford, became a chemist, entered politics, Became an MP, eventually rising to the position of Prime Minister, survived a terrorist bombing undeterred, and won a war everyone told her was unwinnable. She was, no matter what anything thinks of her or her politics, truly extraordinary.
Still a b lol@@danielgillespie7899
In my view, Margaret is fully aware of the mess that the UK is and Margaret cannot understand how the BRF is so unconcerned.
Yeah, but they don't run the place
Well the BRF have to be politically neutral and each have their own duties to attend to, whereas running the government and country was Thatcher's job.
The mess she created? The mess she left until this day?
@@vulpes7079 Thatcher the milk snatcher
Royals getting involved in politics? They aren't usually allowed to do that. Everyone would get mad. That's why the Parliament represents the Crown these days.
She definitely didn’t take to Scotland sadly, but she was a monarchist and a big fan of the Queen Mother apparently.
And Scotland didn’t take to her, we absolutely hate her and she ruined our country with her disastrous policies
@@Rovers1882 same here, from Liverpool. Thatcher seemed to delight in isolating the most interesting, culturally distinct aspects of Britain and saying "Kill that." Her policies doomed Liverpool to a lost decade of neglect and misery in the '80s
@@darlig.ulv.bakhjerne”the controlled decline of Liverpool” and it was deliberate
@@Rovers1882I assume you’re talking about Nicola Stugeon? 😀
That's ok. Scots don't really take to the British all that much.
Margaret was very much a workaholic with no time for frivolity. History has been kinder to her than I expected to be honest, I remember how bad the country was before she got in. The unions really underestimated her, especially Arthur Scargill. He made a lot of sense but was so strident you only heard his voice not his message. He also called a miners strike in the summer, when the government had so much coal stockpiled they were able to starve him out. He might have had more success in the winter, but Thatcher had already put contingency plans in place if the miners strike continued for too long. She was playing Chess when he hadn't even seen the board.
This was such a good episode- I always saw it as the episode that sort of lifted the veil on Thatcher's eyes re: the BRF and how they are, how they act, and what they enjoy. Obviously she was a "monarchist" in the sense that she supported a system as it was, but you can see how Thatcher struggles to connect with them, and even the queen throughout this season. Dennis calling it half-Scottish half-Germanic coocoo land killed me 😂 Dennis mentioned a few different times about them being Germans which was hilarious, since a lot of these traditions (like attending the games) date back to Queen Victoria's time-ofc Victoria was British through and through, but she was a stolid German in over ways. Thatcher looking for sophistication, culture, elegance is a riot because it's probably what a lot of people would think of / expect from the BRF (and to be fair, there are members that do have those things! I'd never say that Princess Margaret wasn't cultured or elegant, for instance) but probably not how they are in real life. After this episode, the one with the South African sanctions is second best: the little verbal jabs that Thatcher and the Queen get into, when Thatcher mentions where/what she came from is amazing. I loved Olivia's QEII, it's a shift from Claire Foy's young queen, and the older queen played by Imelda Staunton is a shift from Olivia's.
Gillian is just an excellent actress! Never a bad performance.
Thatcher really did have contempt for anyone who wasn't part of what would become 'The City'.
And that was her downfall
I never met her, so wouldn't know.
she herself was from the land
....
she just hated things she viewed as outdated
I thought Tatcher was an obnoxious snob in this scene... then my hometown's cattle festival started, I see her point now.
She was an obnoxious snob in this scene. But then she was an obnoxious snob in reality.
@@JimMac23 for better or worse,a butt-kicking obnoxious snob.
@@JimMac23I mean thouse people participating in these activities she obviously hates are the hard working people for which she claims to stay for
She was criticizing the royal family not the people at the festival.
@@hans7686 there are also rich specimens at the cattle festival. They're the ones dressed up as Woody from Toy Story at the VIP area
Margaret Thatcher saying all these spiteful things about the royals and upper class and then performing one deep curtsy after another shortly after, as the royals come up to take their seats is such an amazing visual contradiction!
What a character says and what they do are 2 different things!
Love it!!!
I don't like Mrs. Thatcher, but Gillian Andersons impersonation is so wonderful!
It is an atrocious parody.
Nothing 'wonderful' or even realistic. For me her impersonation of Thatcher was very poor. A silly caricature.
Far better than Streep
She's really changed so much, Scully...
Gillian is an incredible actress, she completely disappears into the role.
I never thought I would empathize with Margaret Thatcher, but during this episode, I felt the royal family were so alien.
I can't imagine how anyone wouldn't love Balmoral.
It’s rural and muddy
Right!? I would LOVE to go there for a visit. I would LOVE to watch these games! They seem like they would be so incredibly fun!
As a Mediterranean, I wouldn't love it probably. Its climate is colder and far too rainier for my taste. Not enough sunlight.
@@AlexS-oj8qf
And co-o-o-ld. Even for Northern Scotland.
@@anonUK Haha I look it up and it’s in a valley I bet it is windy af 😆
While Thatcher comes across as grumpy and bigoted here, her point is that she's a very busy woman running a government and is frustrated that she's sitting watching what is essentially a country fair when she has a million things to do in London. Also, is it Scotland and the Scottish she's being critical of, or the royals and their (what seems to her) pointless activities?
Given that the camera pans to the right and focuses directly on the royal family I'd say she was criticizing them.
And one of the benefits of having a parliamentary system is supposed to be that the figurehead head of state is supposed to do all the feel-good ceremonial stuff like this, and the actual head of government is freed up to do the actual running of government executive affairs. While the President of the United States (which merges both roles) has to spend time pardoning turkeys and throwing out the first pitch of the baseball season etc.
@@IrishCarneyI actually think the Secretary of State is the real dogs body and does most of the actual work.
Thatcher couldn't see the value of taking a few hours off for a cultural event of one of the constituent countries (Scotland) of the nation she was charged with leading, which strikes me as deeply myopic and anti-humanistic. No wonder her tenure was a disaster for many millions of people.
@@yuyutubee8435 What was the value of attending this event?
A bit strange for the Thatchers to lambaste this event as 'half-Germanic, half-Scottish' - when we English are ourselves a strange blend of German and Celtic influences. It certainly doesn't paint them in a very flattering light to be so judgemental and bigoted.
With a touch of french viking, dont forget
I thought it was a reference to The Windsors being Saxe Coburg Gotha.
remember this is fictional. I truly doubt she said anything like this just like how the Lord Mountbatten plot of forming a coup was based on rumours not reality.
Damn actors. Damn script…!
@@muhammadrizqiandrian2910 And Norse Viking, as one heads north
i love margaret thatcher so much, when i was a little girl she was my inspiration and i wrote a ton of essays about her. a true lover of her country and people.
E realmente impressionante. A mesma empáfia, a mesma arrogância
Ironic that the way she describes the RF is the way the world sees her.
I didn't recognize Thatcher in her performance.
Remember her for being very unhappy for ending apartheid in south Africa .....
This looks like fun!! What was Thatcher talking about??
this woman puts the iron Lady to shame Meryl, should give this woman her Oscar.
"bread and circuses" -- politicians who can't understand the simple desires of their constituents shouldn't be in representative government...
She saw it for what it was
Tv shows have writers. Writers are ALMOST ALWAYS on the left. Leftists will always portray those in the Right poorly. (Also the average age of writers on this tv show means they were likely either not alive, or not adults during the time when Thatcher was prime minister.)
“Bread and circuses” is used by ineffective leadership to distract from very real problems. She wanted to be in government, not a pageant.
@@freemason4979
Thatcher was an
elitist. The same
type of person who
dominate the WEF.
@freemason4979 and mishandled it in the worst way possible, and not just her. Diana also noticed the bread and circuses, and also mishandled it in her own way.
Thatcher:taking them away led to a widespread financial crises that many low to average citizens still never fully recovered to this day.
Diana: gave herself over to the circuses so much, that the people never did stop chasing her up until all the way up to her car accident.
Love Gillian Anderson’s portrayal of Mrs. Thatcher
Terrific actor, even better leader
Wow, there is a real through line with Thatcher. She thought of these people the same way she thought of people in Africa. Everyone was just beneath her, and that what they did was stupid. The Queen pointing out her hypocrisy of praising the Monarchy while rejecting similar institutions in other countries of the Common Wealth. It really is little wonder the world we live in is so hard given this is the kind of person who wanted it. If someone so hates community and culture of her own people and others then the creation of sterile glass, concrete, endless cubicles, and isolated people makes sense. Neo-liberalism is messed up, and just devoid of any real humanity. Frivolous as this may seem, this is living, and community. People can't be endlessly productive drones at the whims of their masters forever.
😂 Hilarious how PM Thatcher is one of those rare figures that looks down on the royals themselves!
Anderson is frightfully good in this! What a character!
I just love how the show portrayed with subtlety the fact that Thatcher didn't really care for the people.
The show's portrayal of Thatcher was anything but subtle. It was ham-handed and unconvincing. And I don't think it's required for a good leader to be sentimental or emotional about "the people." She was driven by the desire to make Britain great again after the collapse of its empire, which would naturally benefit the people.
@@stevenhunter3345and she did just that
@@georgegeorgiev3946 For the wealthy perhaps
Wow, inaccurate movie is inaccurate? I’m shocked. This is not a documentary by any means.
none too subtlety. lol.
Those who scorn human bonds shall, in turn, be forsaken by others.
This makes Thatcher look boorish and snobby, not the native Scots or the Royal Family.
True enough, and Thatcher was blinkered enough not to see it
Thatcher could not understand not working for even a weekend -- and sitting and watching "games". She was a workaholic. It was not in her constitution.
It's come full circle: Scully is now the Cancer Man.
On a show with two major figures named “Margaret”, they should include the last name in the title
The royal one would never be addressed just as Margaret but Princess Margaret whereas Thatcher would be addressed just Margaret or in other terms, The Iron Lady
@@e.leohassanmodeste756or worse. I can think of a few other names I’d call thatcher than her name or nicknames.
The miniature is an image of Margaret Thatcher and, as someone else has pointed out, Elizabeth's sister would never be formally referred to as Margaret, but rather as Princes Margaret, so I think there's enough context for any reasonable person to understand the title refers to the Prime Minister and not the Queen's sister.
@@e.leohassanmodeste756but colloquially, including by fans of the show, people refer to the royals without their title. As for government officials, people usually refer to them by their last names. I’ve never heard Margaret Thatcher regarded as “Margaret” publicly; only as “Thatcher”.
Margaret Thatcher herself seemed borish, snobbish, and rude in this scene. I can’t stand how she judges other people in this scene and looked down on everyone else like she was better than everyone else. If people aren’t like her, then there is something wrong with them.
Margaret Thatcher was uptight and narrow minded in this scene. She should have sat back and tried to enjoy the festivities with an open mind, like the royal family and others did.
"It was like being addressed by the Nuremberg Rally," NZ PM David Lange on being told off by Thatcher. She was deeply offended when she heard it later.
I do wonder if Dennis was actually passing comment on Margaret with the line " boorish, snobbish and rude"
We were just in London. At least one cabbie had nothing good to say about her. I do not think she's universally loved there.
A lot of people lost their jobs in the name of her reforms. The poll tax idea was not popular. A lot of her reforms are causing issues today- like a lot of councils are broke because she capped how much money they could raise
You can hardly blame Thatcher for her opinion.
Like her or hate her, Margaret Thatcher got to where she was, Prime Minister by working hard, not wasting time on nonsense and never suffering fools from the people around her. She got to where she was by merit and dedication to her work. The common daughter of a grocer, she put herself through school and worked hard for what she had to ascend to the position of Prime Minister by herself, so its not unreasonable for her, a workaholic , to see all this pageantry and ceremony as a waste of time.
Yet those Highland games
are very important to most
of the native people of Scotland
This isn't pageantry it's a Highland Games. Thatcher did not pay for her university degree which would have been entirely taxpayer funded. And this is a TV show. The real Thatcher was much more a country woman than made out here.
The monster never dies no matter how many times you kill it. It just sheds its skin and changes form
I would LOVE to go to the Scottish Games!!! They seem so fun!
Looks like there's some real skill to it, too. I have no idea how a man can toss an entire log like that without hurting himself. It's really quite impressive!
Oh it’s so much fun.
We're going to the Scottish Games in Altamont, NY on Aug. 31 and Sept. 1st. My husband used to be in the Leatherstocking Pipe Band and it was so wonderful to see all the bands perform together. We visited Scotland this past May-June. What a beautiful country with friendly, warm and courteous people!
Approves of Apartheid, disapproves of a Scottish good time... She was a real gem.
It was upper-class Scottish good time
How are the poor White Boers doing? For that matter, how are the murder, r*pe, literacy and unemployment rates in SA doing?
Hopefully she’s in a nice very warm place now?👹
Where did she approve of apartheid? There are many speeches on youtube where she is against it.
@@martonk because Thatcher did not support sanctions or military action they think she supported it...
this feels like a great material for a Monty Python Sketch
Lol - she then went on to accept a life peerage and before that she created a *hereditary* baronetcy for her husband and his successors. To put that into context, only three non-royal hereditary titles have been created in the UK in the last sixty years. And Denis Thatcher was one of them.
If she actually did sneer at the royals and their traditions and status she was a bit of a hypocrite.
Yeah, this is fiction mate. The Queen and Thatcher got along quite well.
It used to be standard practice to give a hereditary title to a long-serving PM. Last was Harold Macmillan, who was created Earl of Stockton at his retirement. His grandson holds the title now. The Queen offered Churchill a dukedom, but he declined it.
@@robert3302 denis thatcher wasn’t a long serving PM
King and Queen concept is furnished today
*She distills all that is wrong with the monarchy. But in reality, she was happy to become a baroness. Too much of a romanticised version of the "Iron Lady."*
I don't think this is the intended impression. Thatcher was never anti-monarchy, she just saw the aristocratic class as weak-willed wets who let the country go the wrong way.
I mean it's kind of expounding on her perspective, that there were very very few actual competent powers in our society. And that a great period of reform would be required to properly remove them and reset the social hierarchy.
Her ideas were sound. She was correct in her assessment of people who were supposed to be her peers, and they're people we all still agree today are bad leaders... Her only issue was that she pushed it too hard when she had basically no allies, none in her party or the opposition, nor in the media or public or monarchy.
But she was right. About all of it and all of them. Her one single flaw was pushing it without support, but she only had no support because of how corrupt all other powerful figures were and still are.
@@KvltklassikShe seems to resent noble birth privilege, can't blame her too.
@@Kvltklassik tbh I feel she is more reviled because neo-librialism her main ideology failed to deliver the wealth to the masses it promised and only really succeeded in swapping one upper class for another.
The power just went to corporate elitists over aristocrat elitists.
And the workers suffered arguably worse.
@@Kvltklassik "Her ideas were sound" lol. EHr ideas were disastrous
I adore the music in this scene. Anyone know the track name?
The Bagpipe music? Scotland the Brave
Hi Dana🎉
I believe Margaret Thatcher thought thr monarchy should be more political. She forgets that Parliament is politics, the monarchs are embassadors to the commonwealth.
Jillian Anderson is Brilliant! That's an Oscar performance.
Absolutely! Agreed!
Oscars are for movies. Gillian Anderson did win an Emmy for her television portrayal of Margaret Thatcher..
It would not be a stretch that people who despised Thatcher back in her day, would like her to be the PM today!
She could never relax, that woman
"...Margaret Thatcher naked on a cold day..." -- Austin Powers :D lol
The real Margaret Thatcher would have harbored no such thoughts. She would have loved this.
Yes, they made the character far too wooden and singularly minded which of course she was in politics but there is plenty of evidence as to her softer side.
@@growinsane9123 I think PM Thatcher would have been careful and cautious with the media around and microphones would pick up everything. Scotland is a major part of the UK! Thatcher and her husband would have probably liked the fresh air and games and sports events for the day. I doubt Thatcher and her husband Denis said these insensitive things.
@@growinsane9123the creators of the show apparently have had a particular persuasion in politics, including, among other things, supposedly republicanism.
Pure fantasy. Balmoral may not have been her cup of tea but Thatcher was an avid monarchist to her core.
No: there was an excellent book recently by a university professor solely devotee to the vexed topic of the Queen and Maggie's interaction. It was much worse than can be surmised, and giving tge OM etc to Maggie on her way out was the Establishmemts way of effectively silencing her and sweeping things under the carpet. Buck House and No. 10 were basically at loggerheads for the entire 11 years of Maggie's tenure.
@@JoeLondon-te3hf and I suppose her ceremonial funeral with full military honours and the Queen’s attendance at said funeral was designed to silence her from beyond the grave?!!
@@JamesDevereuxWebber Parliament and the government of the day determine who is entitled to what sort of public funeral. The Queen's attendance can't be taken as a measure of her personal feelings either way. If her ministers advise her to attend, she must follow their advice.
@@joshuaclement1161 actually that is not correct. Parliament is only required to vote in favour of granting a STATE funeral. CEREMONIAL funerals only require the consent of the monarch who may or may not be advised by the Government of the day. Monarchs themselves are an exception as the right to a State Funeral is automatic in their case.
In terms of Baroness Thatcher, the late Queen’s attendance was not presumed.
@@JamesDevereuxWebber Thatcher a monarchist? LOL, nope.
Okay, Margaret: YOU do it then. YOU be Queen.
Classic Thatcher villain monologue
Gillian Anderson proving herself as an exceptional weilder of the craft.
Well... at least she got a good idea. One must be positive =)
Daaaamn!!! Scully got old almost as hard as Princess Leia
Hard to believe that in 2024 some people still expect to be called his highness……
Don’t you know it’s the current year, we’ve progressed so much. Yeah, sure we have. We’re still the same tribalistic humans we always were, it’s just instead of nations we have other vessels to occupy us. And the world ain’t doing too good right now.
P.S. If this is a joke, then please ignore my comment.
idk ther are man that wanted to be called she ..... so ....
The strangest X Files episode ever, and that's really saying something.
Never underestimate the subconscious resilience of class or race. These instincts are embedded over thousands of years and still impact our lives in 2024z
Yes. Indeed. I’ve also felt this way
margaret thatcher could make a pie factory seem like a gulag
Margaret was a horrible mother to her daughter. She favored her son but treated her daughter like a servant.
Her assessment was right but her attempts only made the system stronger(I don't mean just gov't)...same thing happened in the US under Reagan and Clinton.
Who can tell me what chapter and season it is?
Wow the dispise of it all. If Thatcher had a chance she could have sent the entire family back to Hannover in an instance.
Given the presence of the US and Canadian flags, this must have been some international event. Maggie needs to lighten up. She is the rude snobbish boorish one, not the people she is watching.
If this really do reflect what Margaret Thatcher thought of the royals, I would say there was a lot still to come that would disprove her ideas. After 70 years of service as Queen and additional years as a princess, Queen Elizabeth II swore in a new prime minister aged 96 when she was clearly extremely frail and, as we later found out, two days away from the conclusion of a long terminal illness. The day before she died, she was bed-bound and working on her last task, the honours list.
The difference is, The Queen is a Legend, Thatcher is just a footnote...
So….she’s like the bad evil character in this show, gotcha
Because she was the bad evil character in reality.
What a performance.
Have to say here one cannot not be on Margaret's side. I think season 4 was really great at showing how out of touch with reality the monarchy was.
Yes, goodness me Thatcher never wanted to be boorish, snobbish, or rude. :) She completely missed her husbands jab.
They really were. At least from the show's perspective. They were all incredibly rude to her and to Diana. They expected people to know where to sit, how to curtsy, whom to curtsy to first, what to wear for casual drinks versus dinner. I thought the entire family treated anyone not in the family abhorrently.
Is ……. And always will be
Hum, so @1:10 was her character referencing Scottish people or just the monarchy?
@@juliaalexander5788 I believe she was talking about the monarchy.
Well. Don’t worry. It is changing now!
How entirely correct she was, how appallingly worse it has become.
So, it's a bad thing to support Scottish culture? This scene doesn't paint Margaret Thatcher in a good light at all.
I mean the scots did not lile her when she was PM, they feelt very much neglected by her time in office
It's upper-class Scottish culture. Thatcher loathed the upper class, and this isn't real event
@@kincaidwolf5184 upper class? Its rural tradition, the strawman Thatcher was criticising it for being LOW class.
@CobraRedstone It is upper-class, lmao. It's a throwback to when the Clans ruled the Highlands. Queen Elizabeth is a direct descendant from the House of Stuart and every Scottish Monarchy. The Royals are rightly fulfilling their royal duty to Scotland. But it's still upper-class. Scotland is probably the most aristocratic country in the world. Thatcher isn't attacking it for the class... she is simply a middle-class English woman. Who became Prime Minister, and she is struggling to understand why the monarchy is partaking in Medieval games when the country needs serious governance
great actor
Gillian Anderson...you ROCK!!!
Gillian's Thatcher started as a caricature but gradually became a great piece of work. Difficult for non Brit to get into that skin. In the end she even got the handbag clutching walk down. However the all time best Thatcher was the Spitting Image version. The eyes of Caligula indeed !
Thinking Westminster is reality is quite the leap.
I’m not British, so I have no idea what it was like under Thatcher’s premiership. At the same time, I understand what she is getting at here. She came from a working class background, as opposed to the royals, and she found satisfaction in working hard. Not to mention she came from a Christian family, which means she also learned, “If anyone is not willing to work, let him not eat.” She found purpose in her work, which is why she didn’t feel normal just sitting around enjoying a cultural event. Which also shows how she became a workaholic. Yes, she seams snobby but that’s primarily because she feels out of place and useless because she’s not doing anything that she considers important. She embodies what happens when you overemphasize work and not value rest.
many people hate Thatcher because she cut subsidies for the mining and steel industry
which left many people unemployed
....
the problem is that thouse subsidies where so expensive that they bankrupted Britain so effectively ther was no choice then to get rid of them
if she wouldn´t have done it the IMF would have
Movie bagpipes not playing Scotland the Brave challenge level: impossible
Thatcher never said all that in real life. Certainly not in this scenario.😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
WONDERFUL WONDERFUL SCENE😂❤❤
She belonged in the office though it was part of her duty to understand her people.😂
I bet queen Vic would've agreed with Thatcher here, and on most other issues as well... The two best arguments for universal suffrage, or perhaps the only ones. Queen Vic and the good old Iron Lady, where's good folk like them in times like these.
MT failed the assignment by missing the lesson. You have to accept people where they are as a government official, not look down on them as deficient.
Who is she to approve or disapprove?
I fully realize that The Crown was a partially fictionalized dramatization of Elizabeth II's reign. That said, I think Gillian Anderson was spot on in her portrayal of that absolute witch of a Prime Minister. Thatcher was arrogant, snobbish, and ruthless. While we should not speak ill of the dead, good riddance to bad rubbish when her time as PM was up.
ding dong thatchers deed
"Half Scottish, half Germanic cuckoo land." We hear you loud and clear, Mister Thatcher.
Only because she was a conservative do they paint her like this, an attitude which is doubtful, at least to that degree
@@Duquedecastro What is doubtful? That she was a conservative or that it’s the reason she was “painted” like this?
Almost like conservatives aren’t good people.
@@ChrisJohnson-ww4vs They want to make her out to be a monster because she was a conservative. Conservatives are some of the best people all over the world.