Heated Conversation Between The Queen and Margaret | The Crown (Olivia Colman, Gillian Anderson)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 9 มิ.ย. 2024
- The Queen (Olivia Colman) asks Margaret (Gillian Anderson) why she didn't support her at the Commonwealth; she states how her international acquaintances feel she has betrayed them, making things very tense.
From Season 4, Episode 8: 48:1
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The Crown is based on Queen Elizabeth II as a young newlywed faced with leading the world's most famous monarchy while forging a relationship with legendary Prime Minister Sir Winston Churchill. The British Empire is in decline, and the political world is in disarray, but a new era is dawning. Peter Morgan's masterfully researched scripts reveal the Queen's private journey behind the public façade with daring frankness. Prepare to see into the coveted world of power and privilege behind the locked doors of Westminster and Buckingham Palace.
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Gillian Anderson straight up took that Emmy Award with this performance and showed why even if you're the Queen of England, don't count on a winning an argument with her!!!!
Anderson was absolutely brilliant but Thatcher's arguments remained feeble even in her rendition. And the Queen was justly less than impressed.
Queen of England? That was never an official title.
She was Queen of the United Kingdom and other Commonwealth realms from 6 February 1952 until her death in 2022
Please have respect for all other countries that make up the UK and the commonwealth.
@@susanwaugh9711 Actually her official title within the UK was "Elizabeth II, by the Grace of God, of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and of Her other Realms and Territories Queen, Head of the Commonwealth, Defender of the Faith." But who's counting 🙂
@@keithh2028 Yes, she had many. My point is Queen of England wasn’t one of them. I am not in any way insulting England. I live in England, I’m half English myself via my dads side and my children were born here, but I am explaining to the OP that there was no such title.
The UK is part of the Commonwealth and Elizabeth held unique monarchical titles in every country of which she was queen. Please be respectful of countries that aren’t the UK.
“Nobody would remember the Good Samaritan if he only had good intentions.”
One cannot eat platitudes, after all.
That was part of her "Sermon on the Mound" to the Church of Scotland, and she repeated it just before the IRA bombed the Tory Party's annual conference in Brighton. The backlash against her was muted due to the carnage.
Yes they would have they would have remembered his intent to help because without it he would never have tried in the first place and even if he had failed his compassion would have been remembered nobody would have remembered the Good Samaritan if he had simply walked away.
@@jambireyes8968 One wouldn't receive (by charity ) if people didn't have " platitudes" like compassion
@@DavisJ-ln6fw We don't need charity nor compassion any more. We have Taxation now . . .
"the explorer" was just savage. I had to laugh out loud when watching that episode
The irony of this scene is delicious. Olivia Coleman played Margaret Thatcher's daughter Carol in "The Iron Lady". Thatcher also talked to her daughter like this and favored her son Mark above all things.
The best part of this show for me as a gen xer was seeing the interactions between the queen and thatcher. I remember the 80's well, my father was a political junkie and he used to talk about it at the dinner table all the time. What a great performance here, I know Anderson killed it but Olivia Colman captures the kind of believable regal restraint. What a brilliant scene.
Two incredible women of history, being played by two incredible women of today.
"--And South Africa".
Those last 3 words from Thatcher let the Queen know she was being played from the start. That's why her facial expression changed and she tersely said, "Of course."
The entire, real reason why Thatcher rejected that speech until the word "signals" was used....was so that their actions against South Africa wouldn't ruin her son's business venture. It was not the people in need. It was for her son.
And the Queen fell for it.
Not in reality. I'm sure that the queen knew all about the son's sordid little business in hateful racist apartheid South Africa.
her son doing business sure hired local, if his business hurt so does the local worker too. Thatcher just being realistic, she would do the same even if her son not doing business there.
Thatcher didn't support sanctions on SA, and neither did President Reagan because both considered the ANC as a Communist organization and the surrounding countries were also Communist. They were afraid SA would become Communist. Yes, they were both wrong, but the time influenced their choices.
@@blurdreamerIt wasn't the reason. 🙄 Do some homework.
@brilady7.......The evil bitch Thatcher had the sheer temerity to proudly claim to the Queen's face - 'look after number one first'. Thatcher was completely shameless in using her position and power for personal gain. This is why she led Britain into a totally unnecessary and costly war over the Falklands.
Very few people know this, but much of the Falkland Islands was owned at that time by a British company called 'Coalite' - who as the name suggests, dealt in fossil fuels such as coal, oil and gas. The Falkland Islands and surrounding areas are extremely rich in these minerals.
Equally importantly, the Falkland's are strategically vital as a staging post to the Antarctic - again, a region that has vast deposits of untapped resources. [indeed, this is why Reagan and the US became involved in the 'conflict' between Britain and Argentina - and had actually decided to support the Argentines against the British with military and financial aid]. So much for the 'special relationship'!
So, despite all of Thatcher's rhetoric and bullshit over sovereignty and the 'will of the Falklanders' the real reason she was so determined to reclaim the islands was because her husband [Dennis Thatcher] sat on the board of Coalite - and IF the Argentines took control of the Islands, not only would Coalite be kicked off the Falklands, but would potentially lose a trillion-dollar business.
It was widely known that this was the low point of their relationship. They were never overly friendly to each other, but there was respect. Of course this is a dramatization so how this conversation really went we don't really know, but no doubt it was candid.
Gillian Anderson is a fantastic actress, as is Olivia Coleman.
She is at her most excellent in this role.
Also on Scoop. She played the interviewer to Prince Andrew.
Actually it's quite a poor impression, all on one tone.
"and a businessman in South Africa!"
"Im sure a clarification will soon be forthcoming"..
I know the show is 'based on real events'.. But the above quote ranks up there with the genuine..
"Recollections may vary."
"There were 3 ppl in this marriage"
"Annus Horribilis"
"Come on Margret"
"The woman I love"
"Im damned if Im an alien.
The queen telling Thatcher that she was a tribal leader who wore eccentric outfits sometimes was one of their best scenes.
It demonstrated that the queen understood who she was to the people on those islands historically speaking.
That she felt a connection to the indigenous Celts, and everyone else, who came afterward.
Outstanding acting.
Two phenomenal actresses going at it - great scene. Probably my favorite season looking back….mostly because of these two women.
I have watched this scene 50 times. What a masterpiece!
Well they need only read the Sunday times, it will give them no doubt as to your position.😌 Well said. 4:26
WOW! Did not know this was Anderson
Any sensible appreciation of these two strong, self-assured women would lead, I think, a reasonable person to conclude this is fantasy based on deduction from rumor. Thatcher would have been much more respectful and Elizabeth much more forthcoming. Neither were reticent about their opinions but understood their roles well. They'd have learned to accommodate.
Brilliant!
Noone would remember the Good Samaritan if he only had good intentions….he had money also.
Noone would remember the Good Samaritan if Jesus hadn't told the story of his mercy and kindness. It's not all about money
@@alicemi4155i totally agree. Fascinating piece of The Word. I don’t know why I quoted it like that but this bit of dialogue was found at about three minutes and 45 seconds.
That was Thatcher's golden idol. Money.
@@alicemi4155 i think the main point about the Samaritan was the Samaritans and the Jews did not get along. i might be wrong
Take THAT, Beeeyatch! The Queen was a good woman, yes, but she had nooooooooooooo real experience of the real world.
I give this one to PM Thatcher.....she had a job to do and she did her best.....
Favorite scene, episode, season
absolutely no way she would have ever spoken to the Queen in that manner, pure invention.
Well, those comments were, indeed, fair in regard to Thatcher. You could even argue they were mild.
Such great actors.
Hey, good morning! 🌤️🥰
the eyeroll omg
They're great actresses and it's funny entertainment but i doubt Madge ever spoke to HM in this manner
The (proverbial, obviously) BALLS on Thatcher in this scene,. holy jingles!
did the queen at one audience tell mrs thatcher at one time too bloody keep standing?
Thatcher was a force to be reckoned with. The look on Elizabeth's face when she stood and Thatcher waited a few moments to follow suit...YIKES!
Queenie got this one right. Thatcher lived in an echo chamber.
Thatcher was a monster. What she did to the UK economy was inexcusable.
She had Thatcher's voice nailed to a T. Couldn't have sounded anymore Thatcherlike.
They left out the part where they whip out their swords and start hacking at each other. A footman rushes in and shouts "Ladies! Ladies!" just as the Queen nicks Thatcher in the throat. (Too much violence for TH-cam?)
Agree with many. No way would thatcher speak to the queen in that manner. Honesty and straight forward yes, confrontational and condescending, no.
lol this is a television show BASED on englands monarchy.
@@1javixD and your point? I think we all know what it's based on but thanks for taking the time to remind us. This is a comment and opinion section, not Wikipedia.
@@1javixD Yu use that word based, but I do not think it means what you think it means.
In public, no. In private, I think she was capable of anything.
If this dramatization is even half accurate the Queen would have dissolved Parliament, appointed a replacement government and a new prime minister as well.
it must have been difficult for an unelected Queen to have been reminded of her actual position in the constitution and her actuel authority.
I don't believe for a minute any PM would speak to the late Queen in this manner. This is simple dramatisation !
The Queen is advisor to the PM, ofcoz its gonna be disagreement like that sometime. Why so hard to believe?
@@blurdreamer
The Queen is the Head of the state. There are limits on how they are addressed.
These are just possible events that might have taken place, in reality no PM in their right mind would reprimand the Queen like that.
@@mountainblanc3200 Why not? In the 2006 "The Queen" the then UK prime minister, Tony Blair, finally loses
patience with the royal family's obduracy and cold-hearted attitude to the death of Diana and informs the Queen
that a large number of people wish to see the monarchy abolished outright; that shakes her to the core and makes
her change her attitude. Even heads of state have to yield sometimes.
yes it is dramatisation. you're watching a tv show
I am across the pond with admittedly modest curiosity about British governance. Even so, I found both of these performances compelling and realistic.
The performance is absolutely excellent but I can't imagine in real life that the prime Minister would stand over.. demean.. over talk and be downright rude as hell to her majesty ..
I can tell you right away her Majesty would have told her to sit down shut up or remove herself from my sight immediately it just most simply would not have happened.
of course not, what rubbish. Mrs T was said ot have great respect for the monarchy
That’s because the creators have a hate boner for Mrs T and want to portray her as in much a negative light as possible
Of course not. Royal protocol would never have allowed for it and her late Majesty was not known to be a pushover. This is a dramatization of an event that likely never happened. The late Baroness Thatcher was known to have enormous respect for the Crown so the thought likely never would have crossed her mind.
The late Thatcher would be appalled by the behavior of this Thatcher land would give her a firm tongue lashing
@@justinbowers2749 That being said, this show was the only one ever to make me even feel the slightest sympathy for Thatcher, when the family take her up to Balmoral.
I love how this is a “heated” conversation. Ah British emotions
Oh, they are emotional alright. Just look at the War of the Roses and the Civlil War. Pretty bloody...
Did Margaret Thatcher really talked to the Queen like that. Shocking! If this really had happened..I am sorry to say I dispise her attitude! In no circumstances should you talked to the Queen like that.
Of course she talked to her like that. Why wouldn't she? She once told King Charles (then Prince Charles) that she runs the country and not him 😂😂. They didn't call her the iron lady for nothing.
@@nomahope3182 This is nothing compared to Parliment going at each other’s throats regularly. It makes US hearings look like kid’s play.
@@PWNINSWAGMASTER This has nothing to do with Parliament but the way Thatcher addressed the royals. To think a grocer's daughter told blue bloods to know their place 😂😂
The Queen would have been advised to choose her own words carefully as well. After all, Maggie helped keep her on her throne, in fact, she helped keep the Throne itself alive.
Actually, we can’t know for sure. It’s possible the queen would
have actually appreciated an honest discussion from someone not intimidated by her. Finally, the queen could have had her forcibly removed, but the huge stir it would have caused in the media would have been a headache that the queen would not have wanted. So it’s possible the queen may have tolerated what could be interpreted as disrespect, simply because too vulgar of a display of power would put the monarchy in a bad light.
No she couldn’t if the chief embezzler attempted a coup she would be prevented from future embezzlement
Edit: I thought you meant the office. But then again who’s going to physically remove the person who signs their checks
The sheer balls of that woman.
Great acting!
But Thatcher was self-centered ,spiteful, and divisive. She only cared about herself and pushed her own agenda.that ended up turning everyone against her and, in the end, forced her to resign.
After eleven years. She lasted almost as long as Roosevelt.
Workers all over England, celebrated when Thatcher died.... Horrible heartless woman
@henrikechers9995 Ding dong, the witch is dead.
@misterwhipple2870 After 11 years, the UK was worse than ever.
@@Afroman29 You are a communist.
Ugh, Gillian Anderson was perfect!
"They need only read the Sunday Times. It will give them no doubt as to your position." BURN !
Damn they're good
It constantly astonishes me that Thatcher sycophants still admire her dogged resoluteness to 'always be right' and never backing down in an argument. Even though it was utterly ill-mannered, disgustingly disrespectful and just downright rude.
Thatcher shamelessly invented the practice of 'always being right - even when you know you are not' that still prevails to this day.
Blah blah blah... All I know is the Dynamic Three, Reagan, Thatcher, And John Paul II changed the word... And that's all I need to know....
GIRL FIGHT!!!
Thats the iron lady the US fell in love with. Excellent scene.
shouldn’t MT be wearing a fancy brooch?
Olivia's eyes shows her anger towards Margaret. Great actresses.
There's no way in a million years that Thatcher would have been that rude to the Queen. However, the sentiments she felt about the country are very accurate.
Take your tongue out of her arse. She was looking after her corrupt son.
Queen victoria would have done that as the times were different then
Queen Victoria would have said, "We like Mr. Disraeli. But we despise Mrs. Thatcher!"
@@SymphonyBrahms Victoria was reported to have said of William Gladstone, "He addresses me as though I were a public meeting!" I believe this could have been repurposed to the QEII-Attila the Hen relationship. Certainly, the Tories had sunk to new depths since Disraeli's time.
Even thought this conversation is fictitious, it has reminded me just how much I loathed Thatcher.
The United Kingdom was fortunate to have Thatcher.
@@KathleenMcNe Bollocks
Thatcher was a hateful old hag.
R@@KathleenMcNerubbish
Only Gillian Anderson could play Thatcher. The ‘sources close to the throne’ were absolutely bang on. While Thatcher was Trump level awful, Anderson is transcendently awesome.
And hotter than Hell.
Go Maggie, Go!!!!!
Was the queen short of a bob or two that she lived her whole life in darkness?
Кантри везде это всё проведено, и это уже вот это уже слышал, я не 1 раз это 1 из тех политических дел, которые всё время были в архивных планах марче настоящий, она постоянно это откладывала. Что она была занята в Италии, будет единственная поездка, когда будет пример министр со всех стран мира, она к этому готовится, ей сложно из-за этого, как бы следующий день, вот полностью будет расписано в Италии, из-за этого она пытается. День всё быстро решить, вот в чём причина. Настоящий март, что именно там был на самолёте, она общался здесь маленький отрывок, только побольше распространить по мне сосредоточиться, понять, почему она летела на самолёте. А тут просто на самом деле полёт был в самолёте, не был и очень серьёзный, потому что там много было делегации огромное делегация, огромное собрание, которое нужно присутствовать ей было, потому что там со всех мест. Особ со всех стран мира везде, потому что ей пришлось лететь именно за Америку, за борьбу Америки показать, что тоже королева здесь, может решать вопросы даже не то, что других стран мира решаются вопросы другими. Здесь важная персона Америки тоже могла решить всё и досконально был дакзив, был интервью даклюзивный был момент. Только чуть-чуть было сделано до этого, этого не было вообще, или я упустила этот момент, или его вообще не было мне всё равно я. Превращу-это всё бытия, где про неё везде вспоминать, что там много есть того, что чуть-чуть где-то нерассказанно, но это даже. Даже можно спокойно закрыть глаза на это ерунда просто некоторых моментах многоено в некоторых моментах. Ну, это ерунда, к этому надо подстрееммиться. Этого надо ощутить
I don't know what's scariest:
-The fact that a prime minister who refused to denounce an openly racist regime only to protect her son's precious business venture, only very thinly desguising her greed with a veneer of "realism" and "practicality", has gone on to become probably the most influential political figure of the past 50 years worldwide;
-The fact that there are people who watch a show that makes this monster of a woman's intentions abundantly clear still feel confident to comment in SUPPORT of her, even in regard to this matter...
OR
-The fact that there are people who find it reasonable to defend a political system in which a sovereign is forced to bow down to this decision in the name of... "political neutrality"...
I don't know what's scariest:
The South Africa of the 1980s or the South Africa of today.
Be careful what you wish for, Hippie.
@@misterwhipple2870 That's it! Just found what's really scariest: people comfortable with missing 4p4rth31d...
I just do not believe for one moment Thatcher would have spoken to The Queen in those terms. She would have been put into place in double quick time.
How?
@@AmericasChoice Thatcher was a monarchist through and through and had total respect for the Monarchy and The Queen as a person. When Thatcher died at 87 The Queen wanted to give her a State Funeral which would have been the first one since Sir Winston Churchill, However, Thatcher expressed a wish to be cremated and therefore she was given a Ceremonial Funeral. Either way, it showed the respect the two women had for one another.
@@heartofoak45 Wait, are the Heart of Oak that appears on Real America's Voice?
@@AmericasChoice No, I am an Englishman living in Yorkshire but born in Lancashire. Either way a great county.
@@heartofoak45 Ok, because there is an English channel called Heart of Oak that has political commentary.
I’m guessing not one of the scenes from this show ever happened in real life as poetically as in the show. Of course. It’s a show. But if anyone thinks any of this actually happened this way, you’re delusional! ;-)
Margaret?
Maggie Thatcher 🇬🇧!!
Yeah because she doesn't deserve to have a last name.
Gillian was great as the hated Thatcher.
Hated Thatcher? 😂😂😂😂😂😂 poor little lefty, where did Thatcher touch you?
What was their disagreement about South Africa?
Thatcher refused to impose sanctions on South Africa, even though it was in the grips of the racist regime called Apartheid. Literally every other country in the commonwealth hated Apartheid, and supported putting sanctions on South Africa in an attempt to put it to an end. Thatcher alone (and Reagan too, for that matter) continued to do business with South Africa.
Mrs T cow towed to no person alive or dead.
What a tumour thatcher was
The best leader ever. Margaret 💫
"uncaring, confrontational and socially divisive... that I lack compassion, ... my government has done irretrievable damage to the country's social fabric".
Yep, sounds accurate if incomplete.
Pretty much sums it up doesn't it idraote. Thatcher wasn’t ever going to be one of us wherever she came from or how supposedly humble that was. As for her government ........
@@suemount6042 The absolute hypocrisy of her to say that her father didn't give her titles, only grit - meanwhile she is using her power as the highest ranking politician to boost her son's businesses. But no one else in the country deserves a helping hand according to her.
@@lisahuber9329 did her father make her PM? Did her father bestow the title PM?
where as the Queen was GIVEN the title. Her children and grandchildren were GIVEN titles.
@@AzguardMike The business elite made her PM, because they knew she would do their bidding. 😊
@@QUINTBLINTFake news
Thatcher's government did irreversible damage to the country's social and economic fabric which is still felt today. The midlands and north (which in many respects are culturally similar) have suffered especially for this. Selling off public services and utilities has led to stagnation where we have water + public transit where key components haven't undergone significant improvement in over 30+ years. Now every party that gets into power tries to emulate her politics in some form because so many see her as a figure to be respected rather than reviled despite the poor and working class (one and the same most of the time) and local business being worse off more than ever.
Shut up 🤐
I think she told the queen to get a new hat. 😂 Only Maggie.
I wouldn’t speak to her late majesty in that manner no matter how strenuously I disagreed with her. Her son however I would not really speak to because he’s a pathetic disgrace to the institution he inherited. Just casual conversation about philosophy or something
Let’s face it the paper was spot on! As the daughter of a miner Maggie thatcher was a swear word in our house
I cannot stand Margaret Thatcher!
A poignant scene.
ENTJ SPEAKS TO ISTJ😂
Thatcher never spoke in that way and would NEVER have shouted at her Queen.
Attila the Hen had to have been one one of the MOST abrasive, MOST obnoxious, LEAST likeable PMs in British history. She was so sure of herself and of the rightness (FAR rightness!) of her opinions that it is entirely credible that she would have spoken to HM in the way presented here.
I was in love with her.
Loved Thatcher. Gillian Anderson owned this scene so well as Thatcher. In America, we could use a Thatcher right about now.
He's coming along. His name is Trump and he has my endorsement even as a non-American from Nigeria. The West has no hopes left unless it has Trump in office.
@@peterbassey9668 agreed
She ate Lizzy right on up 😂
I love love Margaret Thatcher 😂😂😂she is something new I am not used to....her energy is way above the ordinary
She destroyed the British economy.
О боже, целая поэма разговора-это на вот сейчас, я перевод включила в это вообще, это политические моменты, это политические открытия, открытия какого-то да ещё в Италию на следующий день, что делается вот что у. Что до этого не было, оно будет момент, нет ещё, мы туда в это просто ещё событий, будет как клубок событий везде, везде со всех сторон, пожалуйста. Нет, я пытался это внимание, не выслушал, сказали, что этого не было, это было вот-вот они об этом это было как раз-таки общение по поводу того, сколько министров в этот день может принять, сможет она с ними общаться. Сможет ли она в этот момент с ними пообщаться о том, о том об открытии, и всё такое с министрами или с его именно поддаными там были именно кейсер и такой, такой человек, который она даже по фамилии называла вам? Это всё проведено в настоящем фильме, было почти тоже самое, что просто смогла кончить наизусть то, что говорила сама-сама из-за этого удалось это всё сотворить, сотворить. Так притягательность, особенно на меня это было важно, что важно просто понять суть этого всего, что было, к чему там всё стреми, это сути, это сути, наверное, вот это вот это тот какой-то, но. Это политическая какая-то прогресс, политический, который постоянно везде со всех сторон, что-то такое собрание постоянный, они постоянно общаются друг с другом и так решаю вопросы Вау, мне это очень нравится, это чудо какое-то. Какой-то душевный разговор с другом, он постоянно мне даже, даже приятно слышать, это уже давно прошло у нас несколько месяцев назад, но всё равно помнится до сих пор этот разговор, это как будет разговор поэма много, что проведено там даже. Что это я не в Наре? Постепенно как будто вы думаете что я это всё упустила нет уважаемый марчер я заведу ничего не упустила я помню и чувствую и всё
thatcher as stuck up as ever
In our company she was named: “The Iron Lady!”
She impressed the English politicians with “her iron charm”. . . Mitterand and Kohl had their experiences with “this iron lady”
She would never have spoken to the Queen in this manner.
The green gross's daughter needed to be reminded of her place in the great scheme of things
Old hag Thatcher was talking to the queen! She should have been escorted out and jailed for her disrespect!
Unpopular opinion: Gillian Anderson was horribly miscast. She turned Thatcher into a total caricature. Where did she get the idea to deliver every line as if she’d just sucked a lemon?
Of course, never mind the fact that the writers obviously hated Thatcher politically. They didn’t even try to hide it.
Thatcher, like Reagan, was the worst thing that happened to their respective countries.
Awesome! Margaret Thatcher took no truck from anybody which is why she was the greatest Prime Minister - apart from the wartime leader Winston Churchill, that Britain has ever had, and looks like ever will have?
She was the worst prime minister. Even horrible Chamberlain was better!
The real thatcher was legendary.
Yeah, a true legendary monster.
The real thatcher was a cold and heartless narcissist who ruined the country and sent England into one of the greatest economic depressions of the 20th century. She was a legendary failure.
@@mayaflici374Only a Fake woke Liberal would think that! 🙄
A legendary hateful old hag.
Thatcher left Britain far richer than how she found it .. a bankrupt shell .. she was a magnificent leader.
Gillian Anderson's acting in this is just so wooden
She was amazing in this role!
Mrs Thatcher was totally correct and was the best British Prime Minister that the U.K. has ever had - I admired and respected her leadership when I was growing up in Rural Ireland when she was in office, especially with the Northern Ireland Troubles with our Taoiseach Charles Haughey at the time - the Queen and her family never really learned the lessons, even after Lord Mountbatten’s murder by the IRA in Co Sligo
The best prime minister presided over record labels of unemployment and paid the groundwork for local governments to go broke
Thatcher took lessons from Genghis Khan on how to be a hateful monster.
to my knowledge Thatcher and Haughey didn't get along or like each other, she had more time for Garret Fitzgerald