Thatcher Begs The Queen For Help | The Crown (Gillian Anderson, Olivia Colman)
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- Thatcher (Gillian Anderson) gets unusually emotional as she pleads with Queen Elizabeth (Olivia Colman) to help her keep her job.
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I'm old enough to remember Margaret Thatcher. I thought there was no way any other actress could have come close to Meryl Streeps portrayal, but my hat's off to Gillian Anderson
Agreed. I grew up as a kid and teenager with a very voluble Mrs T appearing almost daily on the evening news. Meryl Streep's interpretation was much more convincing than Gillian Anderson's. Meryl got much closer to the real Thatcher persona. Meryl's Thatcher had some real pathos. In the opening scene of the film we meet Mrs T as a frail and somewhat confused lady showing the first signs of dementia and very obviously missing her deceased husband. We see how every mighty leader falls in the end and are invited to feel pity and compassion for a figure that evoked very little pity or compassion when she was at the height of her power.
Anderson's portrayal was funnier, and had some genuine cringe moments, like when Thatcher and her husband spent their first official visit to Balmoral with the Queen and her family and made a complete hash of everything because they didn't know the informal rules and social etiquette that governed behaviour. And I learned what the ibble dibble drinking game was.
Yes, Gillian Anderson did a good job. However, the director's portrayal of Mrs T is too sombre. Lady Thatcher had sense of humour and also inspired credible authority.
@@felixaliaga exactly. There's a reason why Vlad gave her the nickname The Iron Lady for.
Andrea Riseborough?
@@AzguardMikeRusts easily?
"Technically, it is within your power to "request" this...." I howled!!! 😅
Why? That wasn't a funny line
It is funny if you know what her Majesty actually stated. Or rather what she was pointing out. “Request” has an implication.
@@jarradjones2235 not necessarily funny, but using "request" implies to Thatcher that actually, she doesn't have the power to dissolve parliament like what she thinks. She can only ask The Queen to do so, and The Queen can say no.
@@jarradjones2235 It was quite amusing.
@@jarradjones2235 it was definitely funny, after Thatcher spent so long trying to boss her around.
Power is nothing without authority. Thatcher had to go. Politicians so hate to leave that power.
Yes and that is the inherent danger of power itself. Getting a taste can be like an addiction for some people and they cling fanatically to it even at the detriment to their own country and people. This is how ruthless dictators go down the rabbit hole when perhaps they had all the good intentions in the beginning. Thatcher's intentions were not clear to me then since I was a child in another country watching with a child's understanding but it seems to me she cracked the whip a bit too hard in her determination that the UK should become a global force and the horses broke loose, throwing her out of the carriage and trampling her when she refused to let go of the reins.
thats the sad part, that the idea of losing an election means they are nothing and have lost it all. Its really is the crux of all of those lifelong politicians after a while, even if they started with the best intentions.
If she hadn't introduced the Poll Tax, she would have remained in power.
@AndrewMSmith130........What an utterly horrific thought
@@thesoultwins72 I am not disagreeing with you. In your own words, can you explain why?
Considering we've had major,Blair,brown,truss,sunak and starmer,the rot set in after the removed thatcher. You may not have liked her,but she did what she thought was right and she did what she said. Last honest pm.
@@Trebor74 That's bonkers reasoning to want someone to be PM.
And her war with the miners
“to have it stolen from me so cruelly” babes it’s an election not a coup
It's a tv script. It's not dictation to an historian.
Wrong. She was referring to how Major and others stabbed her in the back because she was so against the EU project and they were so for it. She won every election she fought with increasing majorities but was removed WITHOUT an election.
Throughout the Crown series I must say that my absolute favourite episodes were the ones with Margaret Thatcher. They were so riveting. Gillian Anderson gave an outstanding performance!!
Margaret Thatcher (Gillian Anderson): "There's no dignity in the wilderness...". So powerfully yet silently brought. As if one realise that the peak has been reach, and from now on its only going down until death.
Edit: thanks for the likes guys. I always feel like this sentence is somehow personally addressed to me. I wish you all a long-lasting prosperity; may you never reach the abyss of life.
With rocket man playing in the background hahaha
Settle down its only 44.
Help? She should pick herself by her bootstraps
That's what conservatives keep telling us little people..
LOL always a blindingly self exposing thing to claim those less fortunate need to just magically make themselves less fortunate.
Amazing that folks who are doing well can’t be happy with their lives. Nah, gotta shit on the poor for some reason.
Olivia Coleman's delivery of the lines starting at 2:11 is so good
You should not have introduced the Poll Tax, Mags.
Two powerful women of History in one frame.
They were truly inspirational women. Sadly, these days, we always have to apologise for the occasional bad compared to the overall goodness of a person.
'When we destroy all our heroes, then who will worship'
For a woman who came from the middle class, the working class, she had no empathy at all for the people she was leading. Like most politicians, she was caught up in the ego of power.
Just like some politicians who are people of colour but act against the interests of their own communities.... *cough! Sunak! cough* Priti Patel! Cough* Braverman!*COUGH!
She turned around their dismal economy, she helped end the cold war and stopped aggression in the Falklands.
@@michaelplunkett8059 She bankrupted Northern England, closed the mines just to buy coal from abroad for higher prices. She refused to condemn the Apartheid in South Africa, because of her son's economic links to that country and the Falklands war would have been solved through diplomacy. Every person who defends her is ignorant of history.
So that's a "No" then ? 😅
As a leader, when "everyone" is against you, perhaps you should consider the possibility that you're wrong. You might not be, but if anything like this scene actually happened, it is obvious that Thatcher did not seriously consider that possibility. Clearly, her pride had gotten the best of her. What Thatcher is proposing to do by dissolving Parliament is nothing less than turning the office of the Prime Minister into that of a dictator, and it is the Queen who points out that just because you have a power, does not mean that you should use it.
"... to have it taken from me... stolen from me so cruelly..." I personally find this sort of mindset in an elected politician to be appalling. Thatcher here seems to have lost sight of the fact that being Prime Minister is NOT a Right. She has apparently come to the thinking that the office 'belongs' to her, but in this, she is quite wrong. It was time for her to go.
I know a genocidal reality television star who feels similar 4 years ago to now. At most, Britain has a parliament.
Conservatives in particular struggle to see themselves accurately.
@@JasonGabler The Brexit referendum is a prime example of that. The Tories on the leave campaign barely supported or considered what it mean to actually leave the EU. Their only concern was showing up in the history books alongside their ancestors (I suggest reading the book "Chums" by Simon Kuper)
It would be fascinating to know how this actually played out in reality.
Unless one of them made notes of the discussion later, we will never know.
It may be in EIIR’s diary. But we will never live long enough to read them
3:37 . But the job is never finished. Society evolves around us whether we like it or not.
Top 10 anime villains deaths.
Man, I would not be able to control my face or my snark if I were Elizabeth.
"But this job is my only true passion." Well, that is unfortunate.
"And now to have the opportunity snatched away at the very last." You have my condolences. Good day.
Doing nothing is the hardest thing to do.
I don't believe Thatcher was ever this weak and self-pitying. She didn't acquire the nickname Iron Lady by getting weepy and desperate.
All Iron Ladies have pride and she was no exception. She was not ready to leave; people like her leave on their own terms.
Especially not in front of the Queen, who was not a big fan of hers - it rings completely false, like so much in this series.
But she did get weepy. You can see it when she's leaving Downing Street for the last time and also during the ITN (?) interview
Thatcher was a bully, and all bullies get emotional when they are confronted and forced to stop.
She was seen crying as she left downing street, and my mother an ardent Thatcherite has a similar disposition in that she is brittle. Thatcher was deeply hurt by the rebellion against her, her sympathizers characterized it as traitorous and vindictive. Either way, there is no way to validate this scene, but Thatcher was broken to some degree by her removal.
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Most political careers end in disaster -- Golda Meir
The Queen should have granted Thatcher's wish. In November 1990, Labour had a 10 point lead on the Tories in the polls. A fractured Tory Party heading into an election with a PM they no longer wanted would have lost nearly as badly as they did in 1997. The Queen did the Tories a massive favor by letting them sack Thatcher and stave off the election for 2 years under Major, which they narrowly won.
in another imaginative conversation, wish the Queen had the same conversation with Trudeau/ words of wisdom from the true vanguard of the history of western democracy. Once in a position of power, the politician doesn't want to leave. Democracy is frailer and harder to keep, than imagined.
more like she was begging to stay in power because everybody turned against her. Thatcher did that to herself.
She didn't have the high ground.
@@brucesim2003 Again, her own doing. That pesky Cabinet!
this scene should be study is 10000% amazing!!
Brava!!!!!
Please post a video where Tony Blair asks the US to intervene in Kosovo and then when the US indicates they will, Serbian dictator Milosevic withdraws
I can't see Dana Scully at all, just the Prime Minister.
She is equal to Meryl Streep …Gillian is a superb actor ❤
I've thought that since she first set foot on the X-Files set. And then to see her in The House of Mirth. And Streetcar. And now, The Crown.
Not credible. Thatcher showed much dignity in her political end.
Thatcher didn't understand or exercise nuance in politics and that was her downfall....
Did Margaret Thatcher really try to disolve Parliament??
That's what Charles I or II (?) did and it caused England's civil war. It also ultimately got his head chopped off.
This is an incredible scene and sad one: I'm an admirer of Thatcher but this episode clearly indicates that she had lost her mind.
she did.
It was Charles I. Oliver Cromwell under the title Lord Protector was more of a dictator
@@nelliethursday1812 At the very least it proved, for several years anyway, that England didn't need monarchism.
@@williamphillips6049 yes it does but he showed extreme cruelty to the people of Ireland not that the Kings and queens were innocent of doing the same but Cromwell pushed the cruelty further
@@nelliethursday1812 To be more cruel than Henry VIII or other monarchs of history takes effort.
Won’t you post any video for Diana & Charles in s5 ?
I just don't understand why and how she got the name "Iron Lady" or "Iron Woman" she should have been called "Big Fat Ego Woman"
Вау-вау-вау, я знаю этот момент, где именно премьер-министр общался с политиками, вот это было вообще, если взять настоящий мартече удачный позитив, был она задавала конкретные вопросы по. Моментом. И это самый важный момент, я давно этого ждала и хотела поглядеть этот момент прям-таки прямо в точку все попали, я люблю этот момент, который она общалась по поводу разных идей, которые не представляли. Она представляла разные, и здесь она задавала конкретно вопросы премьер-министром и как это выглядел министра марче, как она это делала вопросы, были очень сложные, конкретно интересные задачи. Очень, очень важное и даже интересная задача была решения, были разные. Решалось много разных моментов. Я обожаю этот момент. Она не задавала вопросы. Насколько талантливо это всё происходило, я помню до сих пор. Настоящий премьер-министр, настоящий человек, который знающий, она много знала, она знала, с чего начать и как это всё начинать.
Its a shame Lizzie didn't have this backbone when Boris came calling ............................
She was mortally ill.
I don't know a lot about Tatcher, but can someone explain to me why she was so hated?
Look up the Miners strike and the Wapping Printers Strike
Google it. Do your own research.
She and Reagan were the spear heads of economic neoliberalism and globalization she was able to push her politic through because of the oil crisis and the resulting inflation in the 70's as well the beating up Argentina in the Falkland over an island which is so far from the UK that nobody should care about it there . On top of it Labor did a lot of economic errors before her so she was seen as no alternativ. Funny that
Google Britain failed state, winter of discontent. They were a basket case of unemployed and extortionate strikers.
My Response got deleted but essentially she called Ronald Reagan her bro in the pursuits of economic neolibralism and hyper globalization you could call her the mother of it
Даже в Италии, даже об итальянцах, которые тоже приедут. В этот момент тоже решать вопросы даже с итальянцами Италия обязательно, потому что и талия-это важные важная страна, которая много всего помогает во всём, делает такие большие успехи, что в этом марте. Задают вопросы о ками Камила. Она везде соглашается, а марта на свою, если она сможет, она сможет. Она всегда придерживается того, может ли она в этот момент вообще посетить эту страну, сможет ли она съездить в эту страну и поговорить о важных моментах, которая решается? Италия важное, важное. Это очень важно, и она собирается туда съездить в Италию, и обязательно общение будет с итальянцами, которые. О разных вещах, которые связаны с политикой. Прайм министр решает вопросами с разными странами мира где она будет общаться и с кем она будет общаться и как она будет говорить
I still think it’s a flaw in British democracy that political leaders can force a prime minister to step down. It should be the voters choice and some back benchers choice.
Well, it works rather well, out with the bumblers, would be tyrants, and incompetents. After all, in the Parliamentary system it the party that holds power. That is why prime ministers are not directly elected. And constitutional monarchy has a few benefits, one being the strict division between the head if state and the head of government and another is it removes the head of state from any alliance to a political party.
The queen robot doesn't know how to deal with emotion.
I thought it was the Queen`s power to dissolve parliament?
It is. Her Majesty obliquely refused PM Thatcher's request.
Thatcher was truly evil.
There's no justice in politics, Maggie. You overplayed your luck.
Shoutout to Macmillan
Tories haven't recuperated since they stabbed Thatcher in her back. They never will, I'm afraid.
They have recuperated but not recovered I assume you mean! It was a joyous day when she was kicked out. Rejoice! Rejoice! Rejoice! As she herself once said!
Потрясающий разговор настолько конкретный и политический. И он очень серьёзный, этот разговор у них. Потому что ей придётся принять много людей. И придётся говорить с ними и общаться конкретно в её кабинете, это будет происходить премьер-министр, решает эти вопросы. Задача решается именно так, что к кабинетах придётся принимать решение. Много будет с эти вопросов много людей придёт на бесе
Коллективное общение будет. Много людей соберётся. У неё много будет вопросов. Разного характера. Задача будет непростая. Из всех стран мира приедут люди. И ей надо будет подготовиться к общению самой премьер-министру к общению с другими политиками премьер-министра.
Она кормила у них и вопросы друг с другом мешались опять же. О том, как премьер-министр, она задаёт вопросы ками и накормила она, как бы соглашается, может ли она принять этих людей, она как бы перечисляя политика. Министров я это хорошо помню, а здесь просто какой-то разговор друг с другом такой общительный разговор до этого мне показалось, что с кем-то, ну именно со своей сестрой, как будто общение друг с другом какой-то искреннее простое нежное. Главное тёплое
Ну как всегда не решает вопросы по поводу того, кого принять в этот день, может премьер-министр и принять и сможет ли она в этот день не пообщаться и именно всех перечислять там много других людей, которые она перечисляет? И будет ли маргареттаче общаться в этот день? Премьер-министр, сможет ли она? С резиденции, сможет ли она с ними пообщаться? А потом ты
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I like Gillian Anderson, but not here, no, she's coming across as almost a parody/forced.
Ну, ещё, конечно, праздники решаются вопрос в кабинетах в кабинете, праздники будет решаться вопрос. На праздничных моментах, которые. А вот и. Даже там будет тоже в кабинете решаться этот вопрос, и ну что скажет Маргарет? Она согласится, она будет согласна. Принять такое решение
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Да, конечно, это же ли Андерсен, да которая и, например, министр маррет тетчер, да именно она. Было бы как настоящий мартчер, там был чуть-чуть другой мотив на мотив, тот же абсолютно я сейчас раскрыла, тот архив, который был настоящий март тетчер именно на тот момент и усекла. Они разговаривали по поводу того, что у них будет именно общение с собрание, общение и СОБР и собрание с министрами и с политиками больше всего о политике больше всего о политике больше всего о политике, будет вопросы задаваться из-за этого, она готовится с этими людьми встречу. Из-за этого именно сама Камила и Марга те не общаются по этому поводу, перечисляй, перечисляй и фамилии достойных людей, которые больших Содружество больших. Даже до Буша дошло больше будет собрание, которое связано, скорее всего, с политическими моментами, которые она очень любила это делать. В этих моментах будет много об этом вопросов решений задачи которые она будет реш
A woman who never should have been in that position... Thatcher.
Greatly disagree. The UK was rapidly declining before her election, and is far better off for her administration.
A person, who never should’ve been in that position you mean.
@@odysseusrex5908 Bull
Ка! Колледж на сервис просто отменяется, потому что там много очень не будет конкретных вопросов беседы. Вот так вот-вот такое будет моменты, которые будут решаться с протече и её задачи, будет именно решаться мне колледж не с колледжем, а совсем другими делами.
I love how Thatcher haters take all these scenes in this highly hyperbolized TV show full of assumptions and guesses as if they are bible and verse verbatim.
I love how her grave is the first public unisex toilet.
@@Shadowman4710 May I ask how old you were when Mags left office? Humo(u)r me please.
@@johnroscoe2406 I doubt that you'll get an answer, and I also doubt that he had even been born yet.
@@johnroscoe2406 Mid 20's probably.
@@pacnwguy9056 You lose.
Ding dong the witch is dead
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