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The Queen's Empathy vs. Thatcher's Policies | The Crown (Gillian Anderson, Olivia Colman)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 10 เม.ย. 2024
- My dears, Thatcher (Gillian Anderson) visits the queen (Olivia Colman), who sympathizes with Fagan (Tom Brooke), citing unemployment as a driving factor behind his actions, but Thatcher remains unsympathetic, emphasizing the need to prioritize economic turnaround over collective duty.
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3:07 - So basically, "Are there no prisons? Are there no workhouses?"
You do realise this is false? Fagan didn't sit on the Queen's bed and give her a left-wing lecture.
Gillian Anderson’s wig is insane in this scene.
You should see Thatcher's real bouffant. It was unreal.
Though details around this history has been fictionized through drama, this episode did allow for excellent dramatic dialogue between Queen Elizabeth II and Margaret Thatcher on obligation to the public in government. Regarding Thatcher, the late Glenda Jackson put it best in her 2013 commentary in Parliament representing her district.
Glenda Jackson really hit the nail on the head there
It depicted a conversation about Fagan that is most unlikely to have occurred.
'District' - so you show you're American. In Britain, it's a constituency. And Jackson's constituency was Hampstead and Highgate; you have no idea how wealthy that area is.
Glenda Jackson was disgusting - obscene - in her malevolent comments in Parliament when tributes were being paid to Thatcher. Especially when Glenda Jackson knew no hardship at all in her life - before the war in Hoylake, maybe (I doubt this; Hoylake is very well-to-do). But as an actress she'd become a millionaire, and she had no real idea of 'how the poor lived' in the 1980s. 1) Hampstead is an extremely well-to-do area with some houses there being sold for £50 million, 2) Jackson wasn't even MP for Hampstead until 1992, whereas Thatcher left office in 1990, so Jackson wasn't really in a position to even talk about how rich Hampstead was under Thatcher.
Glenda Jackson was an unhinged nutcase.
Did we not, not, shouldn't we.
Just WOW!
Why does Thatcher looked so sedated
This is how sad Great Britain had become even under Thatcher. A victory parade over beating a 4th rate Argentina over a rocy windswept island(s) miles away.
But you won. Why not honor the soldiers
Anyone knows of a link to that debate in parliament about fagan's intrusion ? TH-cam search is completely useless on the matter
Parliament wasn't televised at that time, I don't think proceedings became televised until the late 80's, you might find an audio copy of it somewhere
Or a transcript @@Fry2000
Initial statement on 12 July (the incident was 8 July):
api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1982/jul/12/buckingham-palace-incident
Later debate (21 July): api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1982/jul/21/buckingham-palace-security
I know this is a fictionalised account of those times, but I remember them clearly. Heartless Thatcher ... and now I have to stop, because otherwise I'd fill this comment of Anglo-Saxon language that most people don't want to hear. But I'll give you a hint: think of those REALLY terrible words. And then double the terribleness of them. I don't apologise.
In my part of the UK parties were held by former miners and their families after she died.
Gillian Anderson's wig must weigh nearly a ton.
The Queen looks horrified at the conclusions that Margaret Thatcher has made about the way society should be run. I know in reality, the Palace as refuted a lot of what this show said as being completely false, but I do wonder about their relationship. If it was anything like this in reality, I have no doubt that Thatcher would have liked nothing more than to oust the royal family and replace them with herself as a Queen/Dictator. In the show she seemed to have an underlying contempt for the Queen and the fact that she had to visit or consult with her at all.
There was that time Thatcher committed the armed forces to retake the Falklands without the Queen's consent and she was woken in the small hours, bundled into a car and had to account for herself.
The whole show is utterly false on the Thatcher-Elizabeth II relationship. Thatcher clearly did not want to rule as a dictator or a queen as you stated. If that is the conclusion you've drawn, put it out of your mind as complete and utter rubbish.
Ignore the TV show, enjoy the show as simply a TV show put on for amusement with no real relationship to the real people it portrays, and read the more academic sources.
@@WilliamSmith-mx6ze Would you have any incite as to whether the writers and/or producers of the show leaned Left or Right politically? I understand those who made "The Iron Lady" had a low or even harsh opinion of Mrs. Thatcher and it shows in their time-consuming use of her Alzheimer's condition.
Never realised Tatcher visited the queen while being drunk.
grow up
The actress did a poor job imitating Thatcher's speech
@@OnLifeandLoveshe is clearly struggling.
The queen was a lush herself
It's pretty bad when thatcher makes the queen look like the compassionate one...lolol
What do you mean? Thatcher was a monster and could make anyone look compassionate
@@burkenelson2501 they mean the exact same thing you said, but also referenced that royal figures don't exactly have the best outlook in history, especially regarding their actions toward common folk.
Thatcher makes Hitler look like the nicest man on earth-
@@WeisheiTM you've just said, "in history", what did she do to common folk? 🤡
@@WeisheiTM That is a general public perception yes. However, I have colleagues who have met the Queen, and they all said she was amazing, down to earth. I don't really see any incentive for them to lie since they have the freedom of speech and republican sentiment isn't uncommon in the UK.
To the victory parade
Thatcher calls people self-centered, and funny coming from the most self-centered person in the UK. No wonder people hated her so much.
No, self interested. She meant that in a very specific, philosophical manner, which is not equivalent to selfish.
good grief
@billhosko7723 Good grief is the truth hard to swallow?
@@Afroman29 Your post was not true, as I explained.
I am confused, by the way Thatcher is portrayed by fictions, and how British people are commenting about her:
She is hatred, as a heartless right wing figure, empoverishing her People and making useless war.
Or she is revered, like a strong, righteous and competent prime minister, who saved the economy.
It is probably a bit of both?
I grew up in France in the 80-90s, my family was christian democrat/leftist, so Thatcher was mocked and seen as a monster; but as I am getting older, not a leftist anymore, I am beginning to see how distorted is my vision of History, and how some very important figures were diabolized by the modern dogma.
Britain had been ruined by powerful unions and weak uncompetitive management in nationalised industries and big companies that had been forced to merger strong with weak. Thus Britain's export markets had been lost.
Thatcher had the courage to stand up to unions and set in train measures that would get rid of weak management. She also had the courage to replace coal with oil, thus making Britain more competitive and environmentally safer. And saving the lives of miners too - coal mining as practiced in Britain's deep shaft mining is not good for your health.
But in doing all this she put a lot of people out of work, especially coal mine and railway workers.
Thatcher was noted for doing a lot of hard thinking and weighing up alternatives, before making a decision. But once she had made a decision, she could not be persuaded to change it. That is the mark of a strong competent leader - but not a compassionate one.
Watch old interviews of Thatcher. One can only wish modern politicians were so well across issues and as competent.
@@keithammleter3824 Thank you very much. This was clear and concise. I will watch interviews of "la Dame de Fer", as she was called in France.
You are right, we need strong, competent leaders more than ever.
Watch her speak. Refreshing compared to what we have devolved too now. Everyone read and was up to date on events. No frivolous distraction. We have lost something.
Thatcher decimated UK heavy industry, and replaced it with nothing. We are still primarily a service based economy with very little domestic production, which is problematic when international markets and supply chains have become more volatile.
To this day there are parts of the North of England, Wales, and Scotland which still haven't recovered from her policies.
I would say the decades of deprivation and lack of investment these areas have received, was too high a price for the appearance of prosperity, and Thatcher's ideology.
@@LiamBar2010 thank you for your lights. So she was definitely a paradoxal personage.
For the people above you, she helped the U.K, for you she ruined it.
I'll study her role in Great Britain deeper, and try to make my own opinion.
Im not a thatcherite but If the queen cares so much about the poor and employment why doesnt she start giving back some of her tax payer money +/- use her own wealth to help them.
Why is it *only* the goverments job to help the unemployed and destitute and degenerate when they can barely fund the nhs and other essential services???
It is so typically british - to feel very strongly that somethjng should be done but that someone else should do something about it 😂 and God forbid it impact my own life in anyway😅
Dont really agree with the queen on this one, she barely understands the economics or finances of what she's saying but yet feels entitled to pass an opinion. Its fine to do that, but if you dont really know what youre talking about, then at the very least you should practice yourself what you're telling others to do. Helping the poor and unfortunate and ones with mental health issues and rubbish upbringings
The English know nothing else but to be subservient to royalty
" misguided collective responsibility " .... horrifying person
She is correct. "collective" is not a word anyone wants to hear
Thachers policies were classic right wing. The results helps the rich get richer and the poor get poorer. How else does personal wealth skyrocket and unemployment also stay high?
You should study more. No one got poorer, the entire nation experienced an increase in standard of living. You might notice no one has ever proposed repealing her reforms and gong to back to the way things were, when everybody was steadily growing poorer.
@@odysseusrex5908 You're delusional.
@@w.p.8003you are, it's in black and white, facts don't lie
@@odysseusrex5908 Why would the rich repeal policy that make them richer? High unemployment didn't even start to ease until the 90s.
Thatcher was a gem, she made London the powerhouse it is today, the UK owe her a great debt of gratitude. Although unemployment was higher during most of her term, GDP was high enough to sustain most of those individuals, inflation was demolished, she gave council tenants the right to buy their home at a discount and cut government debt. 🙌
I think you may have failed to notice that London is not the UK and is far from a powerhouse. The Tories have screwed up everything. We have an economy that makes nothing, sells nothing, buys everything. We have food banks and beaches covered in sewage. Our energy security is currently held to ransome by a European dictator. Our fleet is built by the French who print our passports. The trains make British Rail look like a golden age. The NHS is in tatters. Which UK are you living in?
And what of her stance regarding South Africa during apartheid??? Was the 'gem' sparkling then?
Who cares about a winning against argentina?😂😂😂😂😂😂
God Thatcher was terrible.
Perfect example of her working class style of snobbery and pretentiousness.
She was also a racist.
It's not real, it's made up by the producers of a TV show who want to put on a show about politics but who have to get round the fact that politics is often very boring. Prime Minister, whether Labour or Tory, spend hours and hours every week in dull Cabinet committees and dull weekly meetings with the monarch that no TV producer ever re-creates. It has to be explosive on TV. If you get your impression of Thatcher from 'The Crown' you're missing something in your education.
a first grade see-you-next-tuesday.
I hate Margaret Thatcher so much. She also had the audacity to excuse herself from the presence of 'the Queen's Majesty' without royal permission. Margaret Thatcher clearly had no respect for 'the royal office of kingship' and its occupant, the Sovereign. This is one of many reasons why the United Kingdom DOES NOT need a Prime Minister. Furthermore, the whole British Empire needs to be ruled over by an absolute monarch. Our imperial subjects need to be in reverent fear when in the presence and company of their God-ordained, sacred, anointed monarch. God bless 'the Christian British Empire.' 👑 🏰 🛡️ 🗡️ 🍵 🇬🇧
All well and good until you get another Richard II
@@MsJubjubbird- Richard III was not an evil man. The nobility and commoners rebelled against their Sovereign and 'the King's Grace' fought back to protect his anointed office, that being 'the royal office of kingship.' Preserving and perpetuating 'the divine right of kings' will never truly be understood by those begotten of low estate. Let we royals do the thinking for everyone and ye all obey as commanded to by The Creator Himself.
You do know that this is fiction, not a set of historical documents like GalaxyQuest was?
Seriously, there were no cameras recording these private conversations.
And no Divine Right of Kings for English kings except via their descent from the One True God, *Woðenaz, who the English worshiped as Wōden, the God of Slaughter.
No. What y'all don't need is another King John. A man so bad that NO ONE will name their future Kings John. @@MsJubjubbird
@@EmperadorElijahYou must not read very well, because that person said RICHARD THE SECOND, who was a TERRIBLE KING. I'd tell you to Google him,but I already saw your reading comprehension
Margret Thatcher is the greatest example of leadership I can possibly think of. I honestly think she's better than Churchill.
She was the worst
@@grumpymonkeyenterprises6413 You probably hated the Thatcher administration because the free market meritocracy exposed you as a loser.
Agreed - the best of the best.
She divided the UK. Good riddance to her
@@Afroman29 I'm not British, but from what I see (and similar with Reagan) it was the far left media and progressives that divided the country.