@@lil_kamado7978 Lol me in my 2017 Civic Hatchback 1.0 Turbo VTEC, I have done all sorts of skidding and sliding with it on the snow 😂 its such a dynamic and fun car to drive with that short throw 6-speed - its an awesome modern purchase 🔥
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I used to do this in my mom's Ford focus when I was like 16. I stopped doing it when I couldn't get the handbrake down one time and violently spun out.
you probably need to have the link of your "Powersliding vs Drifting: What's The Difference?" video ready, because some kid is probably going to get triggered by this :D
Power sliding is after the apex of the corner once the driver slams back on the throttle; Drifting is initiated prior to the start of the corner (Sorta)
I've never used my handbrake and I can make my rear step out in FWD car. My car snaps if I let off throttle before a turn. (It's also cold and I have way better front tires then rear) but I've kicked my rear our way to many times in the 2 years I've owned the car (2003 saab 9-3)
If you are on dirt, you can do it with just a flick. If you give yourself enough angle you can floor it and fight the tendency to straighten out and get acceleration while still turning
yeah its super easy on loose surfaces. sometimes in my civic i dont even have to flick it just lifting my foot of the gas pedal while turning is enough.
@@Matias-dr3ysin theory, on tarmac a fwd will 'drift' by doing this too... it just has to be going quite fast and be on the limit of adhesion to do it. Generally only sportier variant will do it because they run with a little less understeer built in than the base models. It's actually not hard to set up a fwd to be tail happy - you just have to look at mini se7en racing to see that. They are race cars, granted, but the concept is simple.
@@douglaspealing5608 most definetly since its just basic physics so the layout deosnt matter, if you have bad tires or hard enough suspension then it will definetly spin out. even in a stock car if you go fast enough it will lose traction in the rear.
@@Matias-dr3ys no I mean a good fwd, good suspension and good tyres will lift off oversteer. Doesn't mean they spin, just on the limit if driven right you can rotate the car better than normal. Negates the oversteer and allows you to hit the throttle quickly as this hill help straighten it out
Generally it's faster for FWD to just stick cleanly to the racing line. Only in really tight corners (sharper then shown in the video) it will save time. This is also true on dirt.
100%. Using the hand brake eats a lot of speed on grippy surfaces. In snow though, it allows you to point the car in the correct direction without a significant loss of speed. But of course it always depends on surface, tires, temperature, angle, etc etc etc
Its much faster in any car to slide a little bit, thats how really fast people go really fast. Although moatly its triggered by the footbrake, not handbrake and its super precise and really hard to pull off. That applies to almost any corner. Full grip is only faster than sliding on extremely fast corners, like if you took your civic to daytona speedway.
@@changoelchangoits actually because the powered wheels are in the front, thus the car is being pulled instead of pushed, and will be understeering and align itself by powering down on the throttle, whereas a rwd car will be oversteering, so you have to decrease the throttle or countersteer so the front wheels regain traction. this is also why fwd racecars are great on tight cornered tracks, because they can take tight turns and hit the gas earlier
Dayum, I was not paying attention and thought it was a real life video, until I realised how weirdly stable the camera was and how the environment looked. The graphics in sims really became good!
I loved drifting my civic hatch it felt like a over size go cart with 300hp lmao especially where I live we like to drag and rally race bc we have a lot of dirt and gravel roads so much fun
Bro i dunno why people say fwd cars understeer bro, just get a gear down and accelerate the shi of the car, I've been doing goofy stunts with cars and actually fwd are good in curbs and straighs, just ned some ability
It depends on what you consider drifting though, for me it isn't just handbrake and if you accelerate while doing a handbrake drift in a fwd car you'll gain back traction so for me that ain't drifting
Lift off oversteer is faster and smoother, also requires less attention being diverted from the road ahead while driving. Sliding fwd cars around in real life like this can be incredibly difficult without entering some corners way too fast, slow speed corners can be really hard to get the back to step out even when locked up by the handbrake, simply because the wheels at the rear do their job and act as anchors in a straight line rather than breaking lateral traction without enough momentum.
I think of a handbrake turn as being distinct from drifting personally. the whole deal looks different from any method used in rear wheel drive or all wheel drive cars
You also need to disengage your foot from the throttle irl so that the weight of the car will be moved to the front. The correct sequence most of the times is: Disengage throttle, steer into the corner, pull the handbrake. It requires a bit of practice, but still is a pretty easy maneuver to make.
@@janistorlopare in winter it mostly depends on the tires and speed. If you have shitty tires or trying to drift on high speed then all you will get without handbrake is a massive understeer. The fwd car i am using to train have purposefully bad tires so that it will be easier to learn drifting/doing corners the right way, as you have much less room for error
FWD drifting is easy. The thing that makes it so different than other drivetrain drifting is when you step on the throttle you will regain grip (at least that's my experience) so if you try to feather the throttle like you possibly would in RWD cars you would just eat guardrail. And for the most part it's nearly impossible to get one to do a braking drift and probably impossible for a Scandinavian flick with one so classic e-brake is the best option.
@noahtheeurobeat7142 you just have to do it really aggressively. I base it off of weight transfer. As soon as I feel the weight get thrown off balance, I whip it in hard and stare at my exit.
I drive a FWD that I like to slide around corners with on winding roads. What I noticed helps a lot though is a stronger suspension and dropping the front ride height about half an inch below the rear. Keeps the car's center of gravity fixed to the front rather than the middle of the car which in turn makes the rear easier to bring out on a slide.
@@pedroramirezmagana although be careful with the air, theres usually one best tyre pressure setting for each track cause the tyres heat up a certain amount every time you go drive and if theyre overheated you have less average grip per tyre in the car which is usually pretty bad
In real life you should instead change your rear sway bar for a really stiff one and that's it, Using the hand brake should only be used for very tight situations
I did this going 60 on the road. Right when the road curved I pulled the e brake up and spun out into the grass almost going into a decent sized pond 🥲✊
Simple rule, just drive fast enough and don't die, and make sure you have a 1/1.5 way lsd with familiar initial torque setting(harder springs or more clutch packs) and ramped up ramp angle for delayed lock. If you still manage to make it out unscathed after that, congrats. You manage to "drift" your fwd tripod machine.
Thats not really drifting tho, is it? You have to be able to put power down and continue AT ANGLE. You can't hold your speed and angle in FWD. It's just a matter of semantics; it is considered a slide when done in FWD
I typically just use the Scandinavian flick method but slightly altered so I don’t understeer since my car doesn’t have a handbrake and it’s hard to control the pedal thing
So this is a Pulled Handbrake Turn. Sure it's "drifting"; its easier to name it off. If it were a RWD car using the handbrake in this case it may be a Pushed Handbrake Turn. Clutch in a RWD would be a Pushed Clutch Turn. If you need to correct your oversteer it would be a Pushed Clutch Counter-Steered Turn. Just like naming off medical procedures, diagnosis, I guess instead of adding greek words into a single word...You just add more english words into the refereed technique of drift. A good example of something that is not a drift is NOT Drifting through the corner. IE never losing traction.
I have a very windy, hilly, touge like drive to work and I use this method in my 8th gen Accord coupe and it really makes it a lot quicker. I’ve gotten the 45 min drive to 24 was my fastest
I was driving on some curvy backroads in my 98 accord. Freshly pimped out, windows tinted, and speakers boomin. went around a turn just a little too fast and hit a telephone pole after losing traction and had to go to the hospital in an ambulance. Totaled my whip. Drive safe with fwd cars they aren't drift cars
My first experience with FWD "drifting" was when I was taking a highway exit and the exit wasn't cleared from snow. I basically was understeering, so I pulled my hand brake when I noticed that my back was starting to slide out, turned my steering wheel and drifted down the highway exit and ended up in the ditch where I basically managed to get out since I had all terrain / all season wheels there. I only broke my license plate holder but if I didn't know how to drift in real life*, I would slide straight into the barrier and broke more than a stupid license plate holder that costs like 3usd in my country on Amazon. Also, it wasn't such a powerful car. It was just a Opel Astra G 1.7 DTi caravan (in other words the longer version of the Astra G) *practiced in a BMW E30 before I got the Astra for 310$ from junk yard and basically had to repair the exhaust leaks to make it road legal again. I have to say that the Astra lasted me for quite a long time. I bought it with 23.000miles and it died (alternator set the whole car on fire) at around 410.000miles. My new car is now a BMW E87 116i and it's great but I don't mess with it since it's my new daily and I spend like 8.000$ for it with summer and winter tires, has M-Package and the engine was heavily modified to last as long as my Astra did. I more focus on the visual modifications of the interior. The only thing that I did on the outside was swapping out the old side trun signal indicators with LED ones and replacing the license plate lights with dimmer ones since there's no requirement for the brightness level on the license plate lights and the old ones were too bright and too ugly for the paintjob that is currently on this car
⚫fk8 enters chat (handbrake method not applicable) ..but the 2nd method coincides with fk8's lsd setup etc which reasonably contributes to back kicking out under certain conditions anyway as described!
Enough speed and the right angle and I can get my fwd drifting like crazy but it scares me to do so because I need to get new suspension and if I break something I'm screwed
The true Drift for FWD can only be done with a manual. Shift lock (clutch kick) combined with left foot braking technique can force the back end out while accelerating to the inside. This is only useful on the downhill where load control (weight balancing) is more prominent and drifting can be faster in sections with lots sharp or winding corners. Generally though, FWD performs best when focusing on grip and drifting isn’t really worth it unless your up against an 86 on Akina Pass.
"Handbrake" Modern cars with FWD don't have a handbrake though, either a foot depressed emergency brake or electric parking brake. Do tell if those can perform drifting or not.
A 'drift' in my mind is slipping continuously and smoothly controlled under power with no tyres fully sliding. Front wheels - full traction, back wheels - slipping but not sliding. A rwd or AWD can therefore drift. But the physics of frontwheel drive makes it impossible to drift. By thins interpretation of 'drift' what's depicted here you're only throwing your ass out so it momentarily looks stanced as if in a drift, the car could not continue to 'drift' like this in an endless circle or transition smoothly to travel to the other side while maintaining the 'drift'. Maybe some ~1000hp FF car with torque vectoring on the front wheels could drift similar to how a two wheel motorcycle can, but a vehicle powered by a regular front wheel differential do not allow it.
Drifting for the most part requires the rear tires to be pulling the back end around the corner. They do this by getting power to the back, which isn't possible in FWD. Handbraking is just a part of the drift overall.
This method is too slow and damaging to tires, also impractical. By the time you just do it like a normal racing line, it's marginal at best. However, there IS a way to do this with suspension tuning, which is how I setup all my FWD based cars. My spring rates are gonna be set for the weight of the car, and the goal (cruiser, street/track, track). Then, my pre load for the front will be preference to how I want to spring to act, usually stiffer the spring the less pre load I'm throwing into it. The rear, however, gets more preload than the front (I'll explain in a bit). Then go about your dampening how you drive the car (my front is generally going to be harder than the rear for weight balance and control, less work on the spring). For the rear it's more about ride and handling than anything else, but may do a click or two stiffer towards the front (i.e. close the dampening "gap" as I call it, make the rear more similiar to the front by a fraction). What this results in is under heavy load, mid corner, you can lift off the throttle causing on demand lift off over steer, and when you get back on it, everything compresses and snaps back into line. This is my preference, and being predictable under heavy loads I know exactly how my cars going to react, drive in and out of the corner, all while never needing to touch the brakes. The best part is it's only at the limit, so when you feel under steer and let the car unload a little bit the rear will unload ever so slightly faster than the front giving you the kick but also allowing the front to catch itself again and grab. When you aren't pushing the car, it doesn't react that way at all. If I can get the car for a day, maybe I'll take a video of it as proof of Concept. Loved that little Mk3 TDI jetta
hand break? really? How about stiffing up your chassis and suspension to where the back end comes around easier. Without the "fast and furious" garbage.
It’s just sliding, not drifting. Drifting is when the power tires are sliding. Power sliding is when all tires are steering. This is just sliding, and very common in the snow. And you don’t need a handbrake, just use good foot braking and initiate with just steering and a hard tap foot brake then once around the corner mostly lay on the gas. Similar to RWD but just line up straight where you’re trynna go 😂
Nah bro, in fh5 I have a 1993 renault clio Williams (fwd) and the understeer if funny af but yes sometimes I do use the handbrake because initial d clio stage
I was under the impression that it you couldn't drift in a front wheel drive car not because you can't do something that looks similar but because it wasn't tenicaly drifting but just you letting your rear swing. If I'm wrong that would mean I've drifted more than a few times by just swinging my back end on purpose, that would be kinda neat. But Hay doesn't matter what it's actually called its fun as fuck
why shouldnt you? i have the experience and i know how to handle my cars, should i not be able to do something that i know im fully capable of? especially since ive done it multiple times? or is it more of a matter of not knowing what you're doing? cuz if so thats valid
Yeah except what you descrived is not a "drift" This is just a handbrake turn. You can't vector the rear of the car with the throttle so it can't be a drift. FWD that drive like this is the equivelant of a dog dragging its ass across the carpet. A drift is a bit more than just a slide that takes place before the apex of a corner. A drift is actually a type of powerslide. The originator of these techniques classified all the different types (at the time) and a power slide was referred to as a "power over" type There seems to be a modern day distinction that the power over or power slide is not a drift at all. FWD cars seem to do the opossite of a power slide where the turn in is a traction loss and by the apex traction is restored and they are able to pull out of the corner with full traction. This exact type of slide does not have its own designation as far as I know but it does not always require a handbrake to initiate, hard braking and a revmatched downshift will upset an FWD's rear suspension enough to make it light and slide as all the weight is on the front tires, thing is UNLIKE a RWD car if you apply throttle (what is needed to be an actual drift) the FF car will understeer itself out of the slide and will eventually turn to a nuetral weight distribution and traction will be regained at the rear tires and the slide is dead. This is also how AWD cars can pull themselves out of a drift if they came into the corner with accel off. AWD cars with enough power can use throttle modulation to overcome their traction and steer with the throttle, or give little blips to regain traction or others depending on the AWD setup. Transaxle AWD cars will acting different than symetrical AWD cars etc etc.
Try handbraking a lot later. It's not like a trailbrake where you start as you turn in. It's better to almost over cook the entry. Try to e brake just before point of full brake release or full lift. Think of how it would look on a data trace
I tried to do this before and the handbrake mechanism broke before the tires would slip. Do I need to uprade it or am I doing something wrong? I just had it fixed as it was but when I tried it again, I bent it and gave up immediately so not to break it again.
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Every kid with a FWD sedan rn 🔑🏃
Me in my 2003 4 dr honda accord 😅
Nah but I already know how to drift my car nothing new to me
@@lil_kamado7978 Lol me in my 2017 Civic Hatchback 1.0 Turbo VTEC, I have done all sorts of skidding and sliding with it on the snow 😂 its such a dynamic and fun car to drive with that short throw 6-speed - its an awesome modern purchase 🔥
Lmao, I was just gettin out with Dad's Corolla
lmfao me in my hyundai sonata
@@lil_kamado7978 please teach me
Instructions unclear, i smashed into my neighbors house turning down my road.
Where you in a mustang?
Not me drifting my mom’s ‘03 Civic with the boys
Or you can try "Shingo's" method, braking by left foot in the corner
not quite drifting but noice
Tsrb: step back on the throttle
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he did say frottle though
Haha funny British accent learn to spell
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@@SomcallmejameS bo ohw'o'wo'er
I used to do this in my mom's Ford focus when I was like 16. I stopped doing it when I couldn't get the handbrake down one time and violently spun out.
shame dumbass
:( rip ford focus
ooof m8 😂
It happens
Disable the thumb lock. Disabling the locks works on older foot pedal emergency brakes too.
you probably need to have the link of your "Powersliding vs Drifting: What's The Difference?" video ready, because some kid is probably going to get triggered by this :D
good idea ill copy it to my clipboard in preparation
Power sliding is after the apex of the corner once the driver slams back on the throttle; Drifting is initiated prior to the start of the corner
(Sorta)
@@RacingOmen not sorta it's perfectly explained just as you said it lmao
That was a good video and I thought of it as I watched this
What a douchey way to say what you were trying to say
me, about to send my clapped out Fiat Punto sideways into a well: seems legit.
Grande Punto or 188/old gen punto? 😙
*hand brake snap*
FWD driver : man I'm dead 💀
Eh. Just let go of throttle and scandy flick or just swing into the corner
FWD are used in rally and they do drift on corners
Do a braking drift then, not hard
I've never used my handbrake and I can make my rear step out in FWD car. My car snaps if I let off throttle before a turn. (It's also cold and I have way better front tires then rear) but I've kicked my rear our way to many times in the 2 years I've owned the car (2003 saab 9-3)
@@spiritraps9596 that’s FWD bro that’s the most basic shit, doesn’t make it a drift
If you are on dirt, you can do it with just a flick. If you give yourself enough angle you can floor it and fight the tendency to straighten out and get acceleration while still turning
yeah its super easy on loose surfaces. sometimes in my civic i dont even have to flick it just lifting my foot of the gas pedal while turning is enough.
@@Matias-dr3ysin theory, on tarmac a fwd will 'drift' by doing this too... it just has to be going quite fast and be on the limit of adhesion to do it. Generally only sportier variant will do it because they run with a little less understeer built in than the base models.
It's actually not hard to set up a fwd to be tail happy - you just have to look at mini se7en racing to see that. They are race cars, granted, but the concept is simple.
@@douglaspealing5608 most definetly since its just basic physics so the layout deosnt matter, if you have bad tires or hard enough suspension then it will definetly spin out. even in a stock car if you go fast enough it will lose traction in the rear.
@@Matias-dr3ys no I mean a good fwd, good suspension and good tyres will lift off oversteer. Doesn't mean they spin, just on the limit if driven right you can rotate the car better than normal. Negates the oversteer and allows you to hit the throttle quickly as this hill help straighten it out
@@douglaspealing5608 yes definetly, i agree. it just snowed here and i sometimes utilize it in daily driving if there is enough snow or ice.
Initial D knowledge goes hard
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Generally it's faster for FWD to just stick cleanly to the racing line. Only in really tight corners (sharper then shown in the video) it will save time. This is also true on dirt.
100%. Using the hand brake eats a lot of speed on grippy surfaces. In snow though, it allows you to point the car in the correct direction without a significant loss of speed. But of course it always depends on surface, tires, temperature, angle, etc etc etc
Said what I was thinking
Its much faster in any car to slide a little bit, thats how really fast people go really fast. Although moatly its triggered by the footbrake, not handbrake and its super precise and really hard to pull off. That applies to almost any corner. Full grip is only faster than sliding on extremely fast corners, like if you took your civic to daytona speedway.
@@superspeeder9184 Everyone's a pro on TH-cam! Even me!
@@agtronic Sure, in games you will suck, but irl would do much better, if you don't go too far and miscalculate your turn at 100+ km/h
I just like how fwd cars snap back after drift so u can get on the throttle quicker
Yuh thats the understeer and weight distribution, if u lose control slam on the gas and the car will align itself like magic
@@changoelchangoits actually because the powered wheels are in the front, thus the car is being pulled instead of pushed, and will be understeering and align itself by powering down on the throttle, whereas a rwd car will be oversteering, so you have to decrease the throttle or countersteer so the front wheels regain traction. this is also why fwd racecars are great on tight cornered tracks, because they can take tight turns and hit the gas earlier
fwd snow drifting is so fun
It's more like dragging the back of the car not really a drift
Oh no, not those.
I don't even play any car game besides BeamNG, but I just gotta give you props for the jungle tunes you put in your shorts
Legit thought this was BeamNG 💀
It is
It’s not; it’s asseto corsa.
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Dayum, I was not paying attention and thought it was a real life video, until I realised how weirdly stable the camera was and how the environment looked.
The graphics in sims really became good!
Rear tires gonna have hella flat spots from handbrake popping 😂😂😂😂
I loved drifting my civic hatch it felt like a over size go cart with 300hp lmao especially where I live we like to drag and rally race bc we have a lot of dirt and gravel roads so much fun
Also lift-throttle oversteer is effective if your suspension is setup well too
Like tighter suspension like coilovers?
Don't need handbrake to drift a FF if you're pro... Pro will use weight transfer drift
i covered that in the full video
Bro i dunno why people say fwd cars understeer bro, just get a gear down and accelerate the shi of the car, I've been doing goofy stunts with cars and actually fwd are good in curbs and straighs, just ned some ability
It depends on what you consider drifting though, for me it isn't just handbrake and if you accelerate while doing a handbrake drift in a fwd car you'll gain back traction so for me that ain't drifting
Lift off oversteer is faster and smoother, also requires less attention being diverted from the road ahead while driving. Sliding fwd cars around in real life like this can be incredibly difficult without entering some corners way too fast, slow speed corners can be really hard to get the back to step out even when locked up by the handbrake, simply because the wheels at the rear do their job and act as anchors in a straight line rather than breaking lateral traction without enough momentum.
So many Americans are surprised by these videos
Saudi drivers : HOLD MY SHEMAGH .
İts hard in real life you have to master it
Personally i use weight transfer to do same thing
I completed 50% of fast and Furious Tokyo drift game when i was still too young to know i used FF cars all the time
I think of a handbrake turn as being distinct from drifting personally. the whole deal looks different from any method used in rear wheel drive or all wheel drive cars
Better to weight transfer more than ebrake
This is like a Gran Turismo license training video tbh not being rude but it reminds me of it
When do people learn what drift is...
You also need to disengage your foot from the throttle irl so that the weight of the car will be moved to the front. The correct sequence most of the times is:
Disengage throttle, steer into the corner, pull the handbrake.
It requires a bit of practice, but still is a pretty easy maneuver to make.
its easy on snow i dont even need to use the handbrake at all
@@janistorlopare in winter it mostly depends on the tires and speed. If you have shitty tires or trying to drift on high speed then all you will get without handbrake is a massive understeer. The fwd car i am using to train have purposefully bad tires so that it will be easier to learn drifting/doing corners the right way, as you have much less room for error
@@hinkam3237 i got 3 studded tires without the studs and one spare tire 😂
@@janistorlopare xD Im using cheap old sticky ones, basically summer tires
@@hinkam3237 what car u got
FWD drifting is easy. The thing that makes it so different than other drivetrain drifting is when you step on the throttle you will regain grip (at least that's my experience) so if you try to feather the throttle like you possibly would in RWD cars you would just eat guardrail. And for the most part it's nearly impossible to get one to do a braking drift and probably impossible for a Scandinavian flick with one so classic e-brake is the best option.
if you've ever driven a fwd car you'd know it definitely isnt impossible to get oversteer using the brake or a scandi flick
@@TSRB The Scandinavian flick still seems really hard to do. Might have to use a tuned/optimized FWD car just for that
@@noahtheeurobeat7142 what fwds have you driven? dont need a tuned one, just an actual fwd sports car
@noahtheeurobeat7142 you just have to do it really aggressively. I base it off of weight transfer. As soon as I feel the weight get thrown off balance, I whip it in hard and stare at my exit.
I drive a FWD that I like to slide around corners with on winding roads. What I noticed helps a lot though is a stronger suspension and dropping the front ride height about half an inch below the rear. Keeps the car's center of gravity fixed to the front rather than the middle of the car which in turn makes the rear easier to bring out on a slide.
get a stiffer rear sway bar if you havent and if you can stiffen the rear suspension as well and put more air in the rears,
@@pedroramirezmagana although be careful with the air, theres usually one best tyre pressure setting for each track cause the tyres heat up a certain amount every time you go drive and if theyre overheated you have less average grip per tyre in the car which is usually pretty bad
@superspeeder9184 that's the point of overinflating them in this case: To make it easier for the rears to lose traction.
FWD not only handles traction and acceleration on only the front tires, but they have a 60% (or more) brake bias, meaning there's even more friction.
I genuinely thought this was real life until the first person view showed up and then had to rewatch it l
JUST FLICK IT/ don’t drift at all. Keep traction in the corners 😢😊
Wait, I'm supposed to use the handbrake? My Cobalt doesn't know that. 90mph in a few consecutive 45mph 90°corners is just a warm-up
you can drift awd in car parking multi player setup:925 or 1965hp gearbox first gear 5.67 second:5.37 third:4.89 forth:4.05
In real life you should instead change your rear sway bar for a really stiff one and that's it, Using the hand brake should only be used for very tight situations
I did this going 60 on the road. Right when the road curved I pulled the e brake up and spun out into the grass almost going into a decent sized pond 🥲✊
Fun Fact: My 2011 KIA FORTE KOUP's handbrake does not work 💀 i tested it on a hill in neutral, and it just rolled. So I just parked with the gear.
That's called power sliding
No power is sent to the wheels that are out of traction though
No
Instructions unclear: ended up in a bush.
actually... play and train more at WRC using FWD car class..... should be help ... i hope
Simple rule, just drive fast enough and don't die, and make sure you have a 1/1.5 way lsd with familiar initial torque setting(harder springs or more clutch packs) and ramped up ramp angle for delayed lock. If you still manage to make it out unscathed after that, congrats. You manage to "drift" your fwd tripod machine.
Thats not really drifting tho, is it? You have to be able to put power down and continue AT ANGLE. You can't hold your speed and angle in FWD. It's just a matter of semantics; it is considered a slide when done in FWD
In a covet, most of the time you can tap the brakes and the rear will kick out. That car can be a blast to drive surprisingly.
I typically just use the Scandinavian flick method but slightly altered so I don’t understeer since my car doesn’t have a handbrake and it’s hard to control the pedal thing
ive drifted FWD cars IRL i know it CAN BE DONE and why you shouldnt lmao the LSD in the gearbox really dont like it haha
So this is a Pulled Handbrake Turn. Sure it's "drifting"; its easier to name it off. If it were a RWD car using the handbrake in this case it may be a Pushed Handbrake Turn. Clutch in a RWD would be a Pushed Clutch Turn. If you need to correct your oversteer it would be a Pushed Clutch Counter-Steered Turn. Just like naming off medical procedures, diagnosis, I guess instead of adding greek words into a single word...You just add more english words into the refereed technique of drift.
A good example of something that is not a drift is NOT Drifting through the corner. IE never losing traction.
Safety announcement: don't drift fwd SUVs. Odds are you will roll. Speaking from experience here.
Got it now Im gonna drift my Gramp's Chevy Aveo....only 75hp XD
I had to resist the urge to run to the nearest open diff, automatic, $1k, FWD shitbox Scion XA while watching this video
I used to be a pizza delivery driver and one of the work cars was a FWD Getz and I used to drift that thing so much in the rain.
Sliding isnt drifting
@@pyramidion5911 I would say a controlled slide around corners and going through roundabouts can be called ‘drifting’
@@pyramidion5911drifting and sliding mean the exact same thing in the dictionary
I have a very windy, hilly, touge like drive to work and I use this method in my 8th gen Accord coupe and it really makes it a lot quicker. I’ve gotten the 45 min drive to 24 was my fastest
I was driving on some curvy backroads in my 98 accord. Freshly pimped out, windows tinted, and speakers boomin. went around a turn just a little too fast and hit a telephone pole after losing traction and had to go to the hospital in an ambulance. Totaled my whip. Drive safe with fwd cars they aren't drift cars
My first experience with FWD "drifting" was when I was taking a highway exit and the exit wasn't cleared from snow. I basically was understeering, so I pulled my hand brake when I noticed that my back was starting to slide out, turned my steering wheel and drifted down the highway exit and ended up in the ditch where I basically managed to get out since I had all terrain / all season wheels there.
I only broke my license plate holder but if I didn't know how to drift in real life*,
I would slide straight into the barrier and broke more than a stupid license plate holder that costs like 3usd in my country on Amazon.
Also, it wasn't such a powerful car. It was just a Opel Astra G 1.7 DTi caravan (in other words the longer version of the Astra G)
*practiced in a BMW E30 before I got the Astra for 310$ from junk yard and basically had to repair the exhaust leaks to make it road legal again. I have to say that the Astra lasted me for quite a long time. I bought it with 23.000miles and it died (alternator set the whole car on fire) at around 410.000miles.
My new car is now a BMW E87 116i and it's great but I don't mess with it since it's my new daily and I spend like 8.000$ for it with summer and winter tires, has M-Package and the engine was heavily modified to last as long as my Astra did. I more focus on the visual modifications of the interior. The only thing that I did on the outside was swapping out the old side trun signal indicators with LED ones and replacing the license plate lights with dimmer ones since there's no requirement for the brightness level on the license plate lights and the old ones were too bright and too ugly for the paintjob that is currently on this car
I be yanking my handbrake and goin round corners at 30 mph, only in the rain tho lol
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..but the 2nd method coincides with fk8's lsd setup etc which reasonably contributes to back kicking out under certain conditions anyway as described!
Enough speed and the right angle and I can get my fwd drifting like crazy but it scares me to do so because I need to get new suspension and if I break something I'm screwed
The true Drift for FWD can only be done with a manual. Shift lock (clutch kick) combined with left foot braking technique can force the back end out while accelerating to the inside. This is only useful on the downhill where load control (weight balancing) is more prominent and drifting can be faster in sections with lots sharp or winding corners. Generally though, FWD performs best when focusing on grip and drifting isn’t really worth it unless your up against an 86 on Akina Pass.
Just use left foot braking if you are having a hard time hitting your marks.
I’ve been trying but my hand break isn’t powerful enough. I can do it in snow perfectly though
"Handbrake"
Modern cars with FWD don't have a handbrake though, either a foot depressed emergency brake or electric parking brake. Do tell if those can perform drifting or not.
pov me contemplating if i should risk sending my civic straight into a wall just to have fun: 👁️👄👁️
A 'drift' in my mind is slipping continuously and smoothly controlled under power with no tyres fully sliding. Front wheels - full traction, back wheels - slipping but not sliding. A rwd or AWD can therefore drift. But the physics of frontwheel drive makes it impossible to drift. By thins interpretation of 'drift' what's depicted here you're only throwing your ass out so it momentarily looks stanced as if in a drift, the car could not continue to 'drift' like this in an endless circle or transition smoothly to travel to the other side while maintaining the 'drift'.
Maybe some ~1000hp FF car with torque vectoring on the front wheels could drift similar to how a two wheel motorcycle can, but a vehicle powered by a regular front wheel differential do not allow it.
Drifting for the most part requires the rear tires to be pulling the back end around the corner. They do this by getting power to the back, which isn't possible in FWD.
Handbraking is just a part of the drift overall.
This method is too slow and damaging to tires, also impractical. By the time you just do it like a normal racing line, it's marginal at best.
However, there IS a way to do this with suspension tuning, which is how I setup all my FWD based cars. My spring rates are gonna be set for the weight of the car, and the goal (cruiser, street/track, track). Then, my pre load for the front will be preference to how I want to spring to act, usually stiffer the spring the less pre load I'm throwing into it. The rear, however, gets more preload than the front (I'll explain in a bit). Then go about your dampening how you drive the car (my front is generally going to be harder than the rear for weight balance and control, less work on the spring). For the rear it's more about ride and handling than anything else, but may do a click or two stiffer towards the front (i.e. close the dampening "gap" as I call it, make the rear more similiar to the front by a fraction). What this results in is under heavy load, mid corner, you can lift off the throttle causing on demand lift off over steer, and when you get back on it, everything compresses and snaps back into line. This is my preference, and being predictable under heavy loads I know exactly how my cars going to react, drive in and out of the corner, all while never needing to touch the brakes. The best part is it's only at the limit, so when you feel under steer and let the car unload a little bit the rear will unload ever so slightly faster than the front giving you the kick but also allowing the front to catch itself again and grab. When you aren't pushing the car, it doesn't react that way at all.
If I can get the car for a day, maybe I'll take a video of it as proof of Concept. Loved that little Mk3 TDI jetta
hand break? really? How about stiffing up your chassis and suspension to where the back end comes around easier. Without the "fast and furious" garbage.
You can and I have. A 1999 suzuki swift. A little flick when it was damp and the back end would slide out
Vg drift. Waiting g 4 fwd 😢 no snow-no hand brake. Just steering and power. Team GTP!
It’s just sliding, not drifting. Drifting is when the power tires are sliding. Power sliding is when all tires are steering. This is just sliding, and very common in the snow. And you don’t need a handbrake, just use good foot braking and initiate with just steering and a hard tap foot brake then once around the corner mostly lay on the gas. Similar to RWD but just line up straight where you’re trynna go 😂
With some practice, the Scandinavian Flick is way faster, plus it works on an old Subaru.
Nah bro, in fh5 I have a 1993 renault clio Williams (fwd) and the understeer if funny af but yes sometimes I do use the handbrake because initial d clio stage
I was under the impression that it you couldn't drift in a front wheel drive car not because you can't do something that looks similar but because it wasn't tenicaly drifting but just you letting your rear swing. If I'm wrong that would mean I've drifted more than a few times by just swinging my back end on purpose, that would be kinda neat. But Hay doesn't matter what it's actually called its fun as fuck
“Front wheel drive can’t drift” 16 year old me in my moms minivan with the e brake while it’s snowing out would beg to differ
In a well setup car tipping the breaks in a corner will also let the backend step out ☺
I put my prelude in some poor farmer’s field trying to drift it. DON’T DRIFT FWD
why shouldnt you? i have the experience and i know how to handle my cars, should i not be able to do something that i know im fully capable of? especially since ive done it multiple times? or is it more of a matter of not knowing what you're doing? cuz if so thats valid
I fine line between knowing the momentum to carry the ass end out and around the corner to completely hitting the wall sideways😂
Yeah except what you descrived is not a "drift" This is just a handbrake turn. You can't vector the rear of the car with the throttle so it can't be a drift.
FWD that drive like this is the equivelant of a dog dragging its ass across the carpet.
A drift is a bit more than just a slide that takes place before the apex of a corner. A drift is actually a type of powerslide. The originator of these techniques classified all the different types (at the time) and a power slide was referred to as a "power over" type There seems to be a modern day distinction that the power over or power slide is not a drift at all. FWD cars seem to do the opossite of a power slide where the turn in is a traction loss and by the apex traction is restored and they are able to pull out of the corner with full traction. This exact type of slide does not have its own designation as far as I know but it does not always require a handbrake to initiate, hard braking and a revmatched downshift will upset an FWD's rear suspension enough to make it light and slide as all the weight is on the front tires, thing is UNLIKE a RWD car if you apply throttle (what is needed to be an actual drift) the FF car will understeer itself out of the slide and will eventually turn to a nuetral weight distribution and traction will be regained at the rear tires and the slide is dead. This is also how AWD cars can pull themselves out of a drift if they came into the corner with accel off. AWD cars with enough power can use throttle modulation to overcome their traction and steer with the throttle, or give little blips to regain traction or others depending on the AWD setup. Transaxle AWD cars will acting different than symetrical AWD cars etc etc.
Bigger cheat- use separate pedal for front and rear brakes
You can drift no-wheel-drive cars (like jet propulsion). This should say it all.
See when your driving fast enough you can just swing the car into the "drift" no handbrake needed. The cops dont like it tho...
My FK8 Type R has no hand brake but I simple use lift-off oversteer to drift around corners lol
Weak, i can drift my fwd AUTOMATIC car
Try handbraking a lot later. It's not like a trailbrake where you start as you turn in. It's better to almost over cook the entry. Try to e brake just before point of full brake release or full lift. Think of how it would look on a data trace
Slip angle passively extended while going downhill is the original "drift." Most people think powersliding is drifting and it's cringe.
I tried to do this before and the handbrake mechanism broke before the tires would slip. Do I need to uprade it or am I doing something wrong? I just had it fixed as it was but when I tried it again, I bent it and gave up immediately so not to break it again.
Not very useful till the corners get shorter and more winding. But only a powerful fwd will make the most of
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No, you go to about 50mph, then hold both the acceleration and the brake. That will lose you traction, somehow, and then be able to drift
Lift off oversteer in my experience is more effective, I’m more of a canyon guy so hairpins might be better with a handbrake.
On tarmac it should be always faster to keep the grip except on really tight corners, but less fun
Any Duncan found an even easier way by putting shopimg trolly wheels on the back of the car